#SWTOR Lore Discussion

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winter trellis
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They were preparing for war even before they knew about iokath.

west sequoia
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not war with the alliance though

winter trellis
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maybe not openly but they would have worked to undermine you regardless

west sequoia
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with what

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iokath was so desirable because it had something that could contend with both the eternal fleet and the gravestone

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the uprisings are more "punish these absolute buffoons for daring to stand against your indomitable might"

winter trellis
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with whatever they could come up with, it's a big galaxy

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plus whats the alternative

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let the alliance be destroyed altogether?

west sequoia
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i mean some of the uprisings had the right idea in that attacking the alliance on a purely military level is so completely moronic that its not worth entertaining in any serious capacity

winter trellis
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and once they got that out of their minds they'd probably use more subversive methods

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spies, sabotage, etc etc

west sequoia
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the coruscant works one was supposed to be the setup for a falseflag operation

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the rakghoul one, kinda obvious

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the gethul one.... i aint gonna sugarcoat it ⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

void pelican
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honestly my last agent forgave him

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its like

frosty void
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honestly, like

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whats the alternative?

void pelican
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"i've been there, theron."

frosty void
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could we have beaten the order without his stunt?

subtle salmon
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Maybe

void pelican
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...

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didn't theron literally show them the way to nathema?

subtle salmon
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Yea

void pelican
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i guess he was thinking he needed to get the conspirators in one place

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but like

winter trellis
frosty void
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wasn't it literally a plot point that they had surveilance on the alliance with their gemini

winter trellis
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And bugged the base

frosty void
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which is why he had to make it as real as possible

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so we couldn't have made a plan without them knowing

winter trellis
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At first sure, but then it might have made it hard for them to continue their plan

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Or not

west sequoia
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a secret meeting elsewhere

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or y'know actually using the super duper secret encryption that Theron and Lana developed together on Rishi

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that nobody else knows

west sequoia
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"use the secret weapon that cant move because its stuck to a platform"

west sequoia
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wonder if vandin ran out their budget for worldbuilding and they had to rapidly change ch14 to darvannis

fringe anchor
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yes i defeated vaylin spirit

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so uhh im never gonna get my old companions back?

unborn brook
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Did you do the Alliance Alert “To Find a Findsman”? Because that’s the start of all Alliance Alerts...

fringe anchor
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got vette and that bald guy

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but for example no tracks of jeasa or quinn

winter trellis
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those come later

fringe anchor
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currently doing Fractured alliances whats better side with Empire or Republic?

crude tundra
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they both same

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copy paste

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empire, malcum dies

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repubic, acina dies

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if you want emperor vowrawn chose republic to kill acina off

frosty void
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As funny as it is I don't really get why you get asked who to join like twice after

west sequoia
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the iokath choice is specific to iokath

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loyalist/saboteur is for the entire story following that point

frosty void
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no i am curious why its specific to iokath

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why is it not just the big choice from the start

west sequoia
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because they started a new story arc with a second choice?

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and i'm like 90% sure all of iokath was a tech demo for the faction swapping mechanic

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like maybe the only bottom up story update they've ever done

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i think there was also something regarding the feedback to the choice at the end of kotfe

frosty void
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why would they let you

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why would almost any character even do it

west sequoia
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because the whole point is having choices

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its why picking the first alignment option in the game doesnt lock you into the same choice for every other alignment option

frosty void
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a bit overgeneralizing there

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and its a bigger difference

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and its less the meta reason and again

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"yo you literally publically sided with the enemy and killed our supreme commander/empress but you can go join us again and help/kill some farmers"

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its and incredibly ballsy powerplay at best and schizophrenic at worst

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sometimes you just can't go back on a choice

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like by that logic you should be able to for example recruit/forgive DS Arcann

fringe anchor
frosty void
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i usually just stay my characters side

fringe anchor
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also no idea why since you take control of zakuul army why you cannot spawn them on some missions lmao

frosty void
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might be neat as like a skin for the combat support droid

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skins for that would be cool in general

fringe anchor
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yeahh btw

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whos currently ruling zakuul

frosty void
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a local republic does

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the new consul(great name, unironically) sends you a letter after nathema iirc

fringe anchor
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no empire?

frosty void
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they tell you to fuck off after you lose the fleet

fringe anchor
frosty void
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its basically just player loyalists

fringe anchor
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so ppl from both factions who decided to stay after the super weapon thing

frosty void
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basically

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from what i have gathered

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this your first time playing the postgame?

fringe anchor
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yeah

frosty void
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i'll hold of the spoilers then

fringe anchor
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i wonder if that Baras was illusion or actual baras

frosty void
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I am like 99% sure its the real baras

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i am surprised you let him live to begin with

fringe anchor
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i played Kotor before

frosty void
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also i dunno why they needed the rest of the order, baras would be enough sustinance for zildrog by himself

fringe anchor
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good question is how they managed to get baras

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to just die in the capsule or whatever that thing was

frosty void
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i kinda doubt they told their members the truth about what they would be doing

fringe anchor
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but Baras?

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master of deception and persuasion

frosty void
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not like he knew better

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i doubt he is very knowledagble on old machine gods

fringe anchor
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he had to be truly desperate

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actually who knights of zakuul servers to lmao

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so many questions

fringe anchor
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Malgus cybernetic monster nice

frosty void
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yes i do like that detail

fringe anchor
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how and why lmao

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well ill see

west sequoia
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I've got a BH that I already sided against tormen and will probably go saboteur on, the only reason I haven't done that yet is that I'm weighing up, do I go Republic on Iokath to be more consistent with the idea or do I go Empire to metagame and get to kill Vowrawn alongside Shaar on Mek-sha

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and similarly, my Jedi Knight went Empire on Iokath because of the pre-existing alliance with Acina but returned to the Republic as a loyalist

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and as far as i'm aware, both times when you get questioned about it (for the pubs its during a live interview) you have the option to say that you regret the choice

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also never noticed this before

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frosty void
west sequoia
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I'm just hoping the devs step up and actually make his reign ingame the worse one, as they have in the lore

fringe anchor
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finally killed emperror

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but heres the thing so basically his spirit has been devided in to 3 inviduals?

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since he doesnt know who was his family or main character

native plaza
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he knows who his family was he's fully aware of all the parts of him

fringe anchor
frosty void
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how i understand it, its like the trinity

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each part is the emperor, but they are not each other

hexed coral
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I think the implication is that at first this imprint was old Tenebrae who didn’t have memories of the future

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But he gathered them from Satele’s mind

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So Tenebrae is the main one and Valkorion and Vitiate are the aspects he manifested

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So he’s sort of aware but its limited to what Satele knows of him

bright phoenix
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the body you destroy later was turned into a mechanism designed to be able to reconstruct his spirit

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it's his original body, but it's very outdated

bright phoenix
void pelican
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He left a backup of his spirit from the moment he made the backup

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and then never updated it

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he didn't know us, he didn't know the zakuulan royal family, except from what satele knew

unborn brook
opaque oak
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you know, why's the Empire so clueless when it comes to the fact that you're a saboteur

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you could pick every saboteur option possible, including siding with the republic on iokath, and no one except maybe krovos and malgus catches on despite how obvious it is

winter trellis
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Because then the plot would stop

opaque oak
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suspension of disbelief ig

fringe anchor
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just completed khem val quests

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what happens if you do nothing 2 times in the row?

frosty void
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I think khem wins by default

winter trellis
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he does

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and he prefers it that way

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you get his approval by staying out of it

fringe anchor
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what is section X about?

winter trellis
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buncha dread masters minions stirring up problems

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nothing major really

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the real selling point for going there is HK-51

fringe anchor
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btw currently doing Shadow of Revan i have a question should i do side quests now

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or wait until it forces me to do them

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dont want to waste any time

native plaza
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the daily stuff will be needed at the end not sure if you do it early and get there in the same day it would count it

fringe anchor
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yeah i want to ask that

winter trellis
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I say do it

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They usually take you to the places the main story does

fringe anchor
fringe anchor
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deserved ngl

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fringe anchor
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is there any endgame if you banish Kalio in KOTFE

hexed coral
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She just leaves and never appears again

fringe anchor
hexed coral
elfin anchor
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So I just finished playing Karraga's palace and the Makeb storyline. Fun stuff. But there is something that bothers me a bit

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playing that expansion as a SI is weird because well, the beginning shows the player inside the ship they got back when they were an apprentice. Why arent we on a capital ship like any respectable dark lord lol. Not just any dark lord but a member of the Dark Council.

Its also insane that we chose to let Marr use our military assets (which would include our silencer fleet) while we go to a suicide mission. Couldnt we just send one of our lackeys?
Also marr, with our military assets (which, again, include the silencers) still lost a bunch of systems. Talk about a blunder

We should also be glad that Marr is uncharateristically kind for a Sith and he didnt just arrange for our death after we finished the Makeb storyline to steal our military assets for good, place someone friendlier towards his interests on the DC and steal, alongside his allies, all of the knowledge we have been gathering.

And also, isnt it too risky to send the SI in to mess with the Hutts? The cult of the screaming blade literally is key to the production of the silencers. Pissing off one of the Cartel's top dogs is a good way to get the cult kicked out of nar shaddaa or just straight up wiped out. Which means, no more Silencers.

Which brings me to Karraga's palace (which, granted, I know supposedly takes place before Makeb). Did Karraga really think the Sith Empire attacked Hutt Space? (i know the dread masters did it) Because one of the very first things Karraga could arrange is the obliteration of the SI's cult to cut off the production of Silencers. The Sith have a lot to lose, so there is no way they actually attacked Hutt space. Why would he even chimp out at the Sith Empire and not talk things out? And if he did do the smart thing and deal with the Cult of the Screaming Blade then I really do feel like we should have been told about that tbh. Genuinely hard to see how the Cult would be surviving on Nar Shaddaa during these events.

winter trellis
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When the DM's attacked they fucked with his mind so by the time you confront Karraga he'd gone insane

elfin anchor
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They fucked with his mind?

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fr?

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How did they do that? I thought hutts were immune to force mind tricks

winter trellis
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immune to being manipulated and coerced yes but the 6 of them together used their FEAR shenanigans on him

elfin anchor
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honestly I also really like Karraga. I wish we got shown more of him because the Hutts are in such a good position during the war. They can make the Sith their bitches

winter trellis
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and even the strongest hutts would find it hard to stand up to the combined impact of the dread masters

elfin anchor
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where does it say that Karraga was affected by the FEAR shenanigans? Im checking wook and it doesnt say anything

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I thought the other supreme mogul was the one that got mind fucked

winter trellis
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wookiepedia's knowledge on swtor is very out of date

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don't rely on it

elfin anchor
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As they gathered their armies, the Dread Masters also began to make subtle inroads within the Hutt Cartel. My information suggests that it was their influence which drove the Cartel’s former Supreme Mogul, Karagga the Unyielding, to initiate the aggressive expansion activities that ultimately resulted in his own death. The ramifications were far-reaching, perhaps even leading to the recent conflict on Makeb.

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This?

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I thought this just was a reference to the attacks on Hutt Space

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I always thought that Szajin (the Hutt boss from the Makeb storyline) was the one that probably influenced Karraga into going to war

winter trellis
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nah, he was more behind toborro than Karraga

elfin anchor
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hmm

fringe anchor
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heyo i need someone lore master

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whos the revan in Mealstrom Prison and Revan killed in the Foundry?

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oh okay i understand now

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foundry is after that mission

winter trellis
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ye

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the pubside happens before the impside

elfin anchor
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hate they wasted revan like that

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also Revan really did die while blundering the foundry to the empire

fringe anchor
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ok so uhh thats all one simple mission ig

elfin anchor
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So I finished the two dread master ops. Did Brontes become a sith spirit? Also how come they all can grow in size?

winter trellis
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Illusion probably

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Make themselves look scarier

elfin anchor
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yeah, I guess that'd make sense

winter trellis
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When I think of dumb things from the vanilla storyline

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The nekghouls and Esh-ka are up there

vapid cloud
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What happen to Darth Lachris?

west sequoia
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the Consular PC kills her

vapid cloud
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Oh

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Fitting I suppose

mild jetty
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I heard Darth Baras died of ligma

void pelican
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So I've been thinking about the ranks within our Havoc Squad and what they probably should look like.

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Bearing in mind that the game's lore surrounding Republic military ranks makes genuinely no sense (where's the distinction between officers and enlisted?), I'm going to be trying to work with US military ranks since that's what I'm most familiar with.

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Also, I've not got any personal military background or expertise, so this is just a lay understanding and may be wrong.

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So, to start with basic assumptions.

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The typical on-paper organization of a US special forces team calls for a team of 12: a captain, a warrant officer, and ten enlisted

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Our Havoc is approximately at half that strength, so we should only have one officer.

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That officer has to be the player, as CO of Havoc

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As I said, based on the size of our squad we would be an army Captain and not much higher, but we can say that going to Major is either an up-or-out thing or recognition of excellence.

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Now on to our companions.

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We can set Forex aside immediately; under Republic regulations droids can't hold any rank, enlisted or officer, and Forex is Republic military property besides.

winter trellis
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the Havoc PC's current rank is Colonel, which if I recall is the highest rank one can get while still serving on the frontlines

void pelican
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see us making Colonel was a posthumous promotion

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so we only need to talk about Major or below

winter trellis
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they let us have it proper if you rejoin the republic after onslaught

void pelican
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True, but by then you're commanding the whole Alliance forces and could probably even go higher

winter trellis
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but you still fight on the frontlines

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thus colonel

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if you went higher they'd make you take a desk job

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in theory anyway

void pelican
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We literally have an admiral taking orders from us; unless you want to say that that doesn't count, we should be higher

winter trellis
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what admiral

void pelican
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Aygo

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and maybe also Ranken if you save her

winter trellis
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he's not in the republic military anymore

void pelican
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fair

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he could still be admiral out of courtesy, but he should be at least at that level anyway on account of commanding more than one ship

west sequoia
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if you return to your original faction the Alliance is dissolved and its personnel folded into the Hand / Task Force Nova

winter trellis
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it's not dissolved, it becomes it's own member of the republic with senate representation

west sequoia
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that's Odessen

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because you're part of the Republic now

winter trellis
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which is your alliance, because there isn't anyone else there

west sequoia
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but the Alliance doesnt exist

winter trellis
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it still does. it's just a member of the republic

west sequoia
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no, it doesnt

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the personnel are folded into Task Force Nova

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which you still have an important position within

winter trellis
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it is very much still a thing, it just becomes an extension of the republic and various members go back to their old jobs

west sequoia
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but you stop being the Alliance Commander and return to a class-based title

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the people who went back to their old jobs did so long before Onslaught

void pelican
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Anyway, with respect to the companions:

  • Jorgan shouldn't really be above Sergeant Major since he lost his commission and is in a team too small to need a second officer anyway, but putting him below that seems disrespectful to his length of service.
  • Elara, I'm not sure. Probably Staff Sergeant or thereabouts.
  • Forex can't hold rank
  • Tanno Vik really gives me E4 Mafia vibes, so we'll have him as a Specialist
  • Yuun is tricky. I can see him being a warrant officer in light of his unique skillset, but if not that he's some level of Sergeant.
native plaza
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Tanno Vik would have no rank in post KOTFE/ET, he dies on Asylum even if you are a trooper he does not return as a companion even briefly regardless of choices made during Chapter 6

void pelican
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Clarify

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Talking about class story era

native plaza
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ah didn't catch that in the thread of the conversation makes more sense now

hexed coral
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What is there to indicate that Vik dies if you spare him? I know he’s shown fighting sky troopers together with Koth but iirc his final fate isn’t confirmed

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Some people escaped asylum on the escape pods, he could’ve easily been among them

native plaza
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ok semantics... you can choose to assume he survives and just chose not to rejoin you but the fact remains that even if you spare him and are a trooper he is very forthcoming that he is choosing not to rejoin you ... since I am not on the team behind the game I can't speak to if what I heard was true or not but my understanding is the English VA passed away and they recast the role for that chapter but he isn't going to be back ... as a trooper if you need him for achievements you can reclaim him from the terminal if you aren't going to play the story again

hexed coral
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Ah ok, I get what you mean

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Was just wondering if there’s something I missed that showed or mentioned him dying

west sequoia
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nope

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its entirely assumptions

meager forge
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The Galactic Timeline has been updated for 7.5

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UPZAIR6Krc8UdfUBKf9NfiLg9eokKbfQDdnbPfyrM9I/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs
SWTOR Galactic Timeline (2024) by Vivek Eron

The Star Wars: The Old Republic Galactic Timeline By Vivek Eron (Star Forge) The Current Year is 31 ATC || 3622 BBY || 2024 (click the ‘View Outline’ button on the left) About the Timeline In the game’s universe, the “Galactic Calendar” was adopted by the Galactic Senate following the events b...

winter trellis
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With how difficult it is to be a jedi/sith you'd think they'd be almost out by now

elfin anchor
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https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Desolator_(superweapon)

Surely there are still schematics of this superweapon laying around somewhere. Hate how these superweapons get forgotten

Wookieepedia
Desolator (superweapon)

The Desolator was a superweapon built by the reconstituted Sith Empire during the Cold War with the Galactic Republic. Combining the technologies of the Planet Prison, Shock Drum, and Death Mark...

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The Firestorm Turbolaser was an adaption of the Desolator superweapon developed by the Sith Empire for use in the Battle of Corellia. Consisting of an suspended ovoid with two turbolaser barrels attached, the weapon superheated its targets to literally set the air aflame. However, the Jedi Knight known as the Hero of Tython was able to destroy the three Firestorm Turbolasers that the Empire had deployed in Axial Park, ending the threat.
And the Empire never made more?

winter trellis
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Prototypes with no back ups

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I guess

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Not the first time a seemingly important thing in vanilla is forgotten

elfin anchor
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Genuinely sucks

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Can destroy capital ships with one shot apparently. Also forgotten come onnnnn

unborn brook
elfin anchor
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more fleet killers dont hurt anyone (thats on our side)

winter trellis
elfin anchor
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so I guess same issue as with the desolator. No prototype backups

winter trellis
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And was designed by a guy you can kill

elfin anchor
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true. I always spare him because of these weapons

winter trellis
elfin anchor
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sucks that because the option to kill that guy exists his entire organization can just be forgotten

unborn brook
elfin anchor
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or like how just because there is an option to destroy superweapon number 2172332 that instantly means said superweapon wont be heard from ever again

elfin anchor
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the issue, I guess, just becomes a legit issue because you can spare the alien dude

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though I can genuinely see a bunch of these superweapons having backups tbh. That'd be the logical thing to do.

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this is so broken lmao

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"The Empire has a prototype weapon called the Neutralizer which puts out an energy field that disables all standard-issue Republic weaponry."
""Disables"? Half of our guns exploded."
―Major Garik and Captain Dealk[1]

unborn brook
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Heheh... I thought of something funny with that...

“SIR!!! Our grenades aren’t going off!!!”

elfin anchor
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lol

winter trellis
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mind you a lot of these they've probably developed counter measures for or would only work under specific circumstances

void pelican
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Like, Balmorra had one called the Barrager

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Eliminate any orbital threats but uses every scrap of power on the planetary grid

elfin anchor
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started playing kotfe

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i feel like that the space battle at the beginning could have been clutched

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just bring in the silencers lol

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if moff pyron counterattacks we'll be fine

west sequoia
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the silencers were basically decommissioned at that point

winter trellis
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even then they weren't as big a deal as they were thought to be

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the republic had developed silencer countermeasures even

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Also I'm playing through ziost again and everytime I'm reminded how ridiculously OP they made the emperor in this that they basically wrote themselves into a corner on how to actually beat this guy

coarse lintel
zenith zinc
coarse lintel
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It's probably about time you adjusted your expectations of the game.

zenith zinc
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This isn't some indie game ran by people who don't have budget

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Main story content should be voiced

coarse lintel
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It's also a decade old and EA has made the team smaller and smaller over the years. I imagine that includes their budget.

zenith zinc
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It is the bare mimium

coarse lintel
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By this point, they might as well be classified as an indie company given the downsizing.

zenith zinc
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I get that

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But that doesn't mean we should give them a pass for everything

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Especially something as key as this

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Unless the community truly pushes back against this and lets them know this is unacceptable, Then it will only get worse

coarse lintel
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The "community", however, is not united in that idea. Many people are perfectly fine with the KOTOR style cutscenes.

winter trellis
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like me

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this basically confirms what I always assumed to be the case

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it's a small team that are constantly pumping stuff out

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had this game been the huge success it was in it's earliest years like EA had hoped, we would not be having this discussion

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but it isn't

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so things get altered

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does it suck? for somethings yeah

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but not much you can do about it

bright phoenix
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you gotta complain to EA CEO Andrew Wilson and tell him to give Biosword more money for extra staff

coarse lintel
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Good luck with that. BossLUL

bright phoenix
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Yeah... AnakinCry

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word is he also doesn't care about the IP too much in general

coarse lintel
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I doubt it, yeah. He was originally hired at EA to help develop sports games not because he was a gamer. BossLUL He's a c-level guy with no actual gaming interests near as I can tell.

west sequoia
west sequoia
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also i think i'm safe to say this here because its no longer current expansion content: Dxun has the most hilarious implementation of "KOTOR-style dialogue"

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and yeah these posts are essentially saying they've figured out which situations work better for each style

celest crescent
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Well it is what it is i’m just thankful this game still running for whatever year left

coarse lintel
coarse lintel
mortal rover
west sequoia
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yeah cus every single side NPC in the last few updates has been speaking canned alien gibberish
oh wait no that hasnt happened

elfin anchor
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So, perhaps I missed out on something but

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Why wasnt Yavin just bombed from orbit in SoR

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it looke dlike space supremacy had been established and no shield generators were nearby so

crude tundra
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expensive

elfin anchor
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bruh

winter trellis
elfin anchor
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cant they just bomb the shit out of the temple though. Bury them alive or just bomb the area long enough until there is nothing left

unborn brook
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Umm... Marr vetoed it on behalf of the Reclamation Service, maybe?

elfin anchor
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marr suddenly hijacking the reclamation service from nox

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but ig

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just feels like that expansion could have ended in a way more anti climatic manner if the sith just went sith mode and indiscriminately bombed the shit out of yavin

unborn brook
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Since Telos Drellik said the Reclamation service is a faction of the Military... Marr would have some say there...

prisma portal
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Yavin is a holy site for the Sith

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why would they bomb it

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furthermore

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how can you be sure someone is dead

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when you don't see the body

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especially someone that powerful

unborn brook
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Plus the Revanite conspiracy has an unknown amount of time on Yavin... So they could rush a bunker. So bombing would just ruin the poor Sith ruins...

elfin anchor
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you'd no longer feel their presence in the force, and by bombing the entire area the revanites would no longer pose a threat. As for why they'd bomb that place, well sith holy sites have not real meaning tbh. Like look at korriban, the sith have no issues damaging the tombs in their wars (kotor 2's civil war comes to mind)

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well I mean you could always just bomb it until the atmosphere makes the world inhospitable

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starve them there

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and also they'd no longer be able to revive vitiate

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so they'd be literally trapped in a bunker

unborn brook
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(Yes, I’m using that champagne joke)

elfin anchor
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they are still sith though. Also fine, you want another example with actual biological sith? The pre Ajunta Pall sith inner conflicts

unborn brook
elfin anchor
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Thats not the point, Im just pointing out an example of sith wars where the sith waged war and damaged the fuck out of their temples

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out of entire worlds really

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so im not sure if they'd hold back on the yavin temples. Besides, the revanites were about to bring back a being who'd consume the entire galaxy for all they knew. Why hold back?

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doesnt seem like marr's style

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tbh

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its not worth pulling your punches when the stakes are so high. Also, again, orbital bombardment for sure would have prevented the revanites from using the yavin artifacts to power up the Emperor's spirit for all they knew.

void pelican
elfin anchor
# void pelican because that might actually fuel the waking of the emperor?

Did they know that'd happen though? And also, just fighting itself fueled the emperor because of all of the deaths that happened in the ground battle so he'd be getting fueled no matter what but granted that could have explained why they didnt give Yavin the Taris treatment.

Still, they could have just bombed key areas such as the temple of sacrifice, no?

west sequoia
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the knowledge that any and all fighting on Yavin was refuelling Vitiate's revival is the big twist at the end of SoR

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Revan's shadow was doomed to failure and arguably the entire thing was planted in his head so that Vitiate had yet another contingency

winter trellis
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also they were dealing with a machine that could kill all life on the planet, they had to be sure it was shut down

bright phoenix
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who built it tho

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later on in one of the kotfe alerts, Drellik says the Temple of Sacrifice was attuned to the Emperor's will just like the Eternal Fleet

elfin anchor
elfin anchor
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no clue

bright phoenix
elfin anchor
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Yeah no idea then honestly. the temple of sacrifice is not kun's temple so thats a good counter argument to the theory. So...I dont know. What did that device do again?

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wipes out all life on yavin to revive the emperor or give him a new body

winter trellis
elfin anchor
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it better be honestly lol. Add in an energy shield just in case

winter trellis
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with the amount of defectors revan got

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probably

bright phoenix
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It was a failsafe he set up

elfin anchor
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yeah then no clue. Was gonna say that if it was meant to give the emperor a new body it could have been one of Naga Sadow's creations

bright phoenix
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yeah dunno about the body either, I mean I see how revan would want that for 1v1ing him like he planned on doing

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but I don't know what body he was supposed to use lol

elfin anchor
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What would revan even do after killing the emperor in a 1v1 lol. Its like going back to stage 1 because the HoT had already killed the emperor once lol. Wouldnt it have been smarter to just go and kill the Emperor's true body which was hiding in stasis somewhere? That always confused the fuck outta me

bright phoenix
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it is confusing ngl, maybe zombie Revan WAS the body and he just had no idea he was walking into a trap like that

clever ibex
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Probably didn't know about it

bright phoenix
elfin anchor
elfin anchor
# clever ibex Probably didn't know about it

I guess? I mean revan is supposed to have been in the emperor's mind for centuries or something. He should know that the actual body is hidden somewhere and the actual body is what should be destroyed

clever ibex
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Tru forgot about dat

bright phoenix
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Vaylin's codex entry talks about most of the Emperor's power being locked away on Yavin 4

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so it does seem the process also anchors him to that planet

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
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https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/vaylin

Jedipedia.net's SWTOR Database
Vaylin – Codex entries

From the moment his daughter, Vaylin, was born, Valkorion felt her strong connection to the Force. As she grew up, the Immortal Emperor noticed similarities between them, which both pleased and frightened him, and he decided to keep a tight leash on his favorite child. Her father's control curbed her tendencies toward violence and anarchy, but b...

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so he almost seems kind of compromised in a way despite being ready to get fueled up

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this could be Revan's reassurance that he has him cornered or something lol

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Vitiate pretends to accidentally reveal a secret to Revan, and then Revan acts on it, but in truth there's more to the whole thing

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maybe that's how it might have worked

elfin anchor
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So
After the events of the Revan novel the Emperor never wanted to be caught by surprise again so he created the voices while his main body (which I assume should be essential to his survival?) was hidden somewhere.

then he also anchors most of his power on Yavin 4 to get a power boost if one of his voices ever got killed?

clever ibex
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Why didn't Revan's guys just bombard Yavin they had atleast one big ass ship

elfin anchor
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because revan wanted to bring back the emperor as part of his big brain plan

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hmm today I will resurrect a being that wants to consume all life to fight him in a 1v1. :clueless:

bright phoenix
elfin anchor
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i thought the pureblood body was also the one vitiate used in the novel

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tho i might be misremembering

bright phoenix
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it is

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but still, the failsafe seemed to predate the revan/scourge/exile showdown

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based on a line of dialogue and a guess from Marr

bright phoenix
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he doesn't have a direct experience of the event, he is just going by the information Satele has on the matter

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and then you can ask Marr how old does he think Tenebrae's backup save file is, and he responds "probably before Revan's time"

elfin anchor
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the pureblood body is just another body no different than those of his voices?

bright phoenix
elfin anchor
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ah

bright phoenix
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he could totally create the voice to prevent another assassination, that's unchanged

elfin anchor
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just looked it up

bright phoenix
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the pureblood failsafe thing is him inscribing a sith ritual on his own body so that when all else fails, it will rebuild his consciousness from that save state. He won't have the memories of his voices or anything else, it's all dated to the time he got those tattoos lol

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
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there's something a bit muddled about that whole thing though

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we don't know how he would set that whole thing in motion... Would the failsafe activate when all other remnants of his consciousness have disappeared?

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Scourge and Kira apparently kill this very same pureblood body at the exact same moment we defeat Valkorion in kotet ch9

elfin anchor
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Vitiate, at an unknown period, carved an ancient Sith ritual into his original body to act as a last resort in the event his body was harmed, infusing his body with a portion of his essence, which would immobilize the attacker(s) by putting them into a coma. The plague would spawn an entity that would feed on the victims by connecting their minds and merging into an even stronger entity. However, despite the effectiveness of the plague, anybody who was previously granted a portion of Vitiate's power was rendered immune to the plague's effects due to the past power acting as a vaccine.

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This is so bull lmao

bright phoenix
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would the Emperor have agents that get sent to his aid? we do see his voices and his Zakuulan visionaries come to his aid

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but what if he didn't have those either?

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would those tattoos really save him?

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or does he need someone to provoke him first

elfin anchor
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Why didnt scourge try to destroy the og body immediately after the JK story was over?

bright phoenix
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didn't know where it was ig

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the idea seemed to be he doesn't have all the info, and while you're chilling with Valks ghost, Kira and Scourge are doing work in the background, reverse engineering Tenebrae's possible plans and setups, and then if we had a third full length expansion focused on the dark side of Valkorion (tenebrae), Scourge and Kira likely would have joined you and told you what they know

elfin anchor
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right, guess that makes sense. Not too sure I like the last failsafe though that seems kind of bull

bright phoenix
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yeah well it's kind of boring too. Tenebrae without all his life experiences is sooo lame. Or maybe he was just badly written. It was not by the same writers doing the fun valk stuff.

elfin anchor
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legends palpatine immortality plan is way more tame in comparasion lol

bright phoenix
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or the original vitiate monologues

elfin anchor
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Just Byss and a bunch of cloned bodies for him to possess

elfin anchor
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It feels so weird playing kotfe after ziost. In ziost he was being treated as if he was like nihilus 2.0 lmao

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guess he never intended to consume zakuul?

bright phoenix
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as an Imperial player, you're able to sympathize with another group of people who had their entire culture shaped by this one guy

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it's just ridiculously epic, just the scale of what you're dealing with

bright phoenix
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Arcann was of course set up as a tyrant to be toppled

elfin anchor
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then again as a sith it always felt weird to me how some characters complain about the tyranny of Arcann and the like. My character is a member of the dark council we are as evil as it gets cant these guys at least feel bad vibes from dark side characters? I understand the people not knowing about the sith since the population seems pretty ignorant about the galaxy as a whole (somehow the core worlds are thought to be a backwater). But still. Just feels weird. Ever since I started playing kotfe I felt that this story perhaps would have been way more fitting for a Jedi character rather than a sith

subtle salmon
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Consume everything except Zakhuul

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People there I feel not only ignorant but posh in a way

elfin anchor
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dunno honestly

bright phoenix
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the main intent

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is for the Outlander to be a war veteran

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so you've had time to reach your own conclusions about things

elfin anchor
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bro I was so hyped after playing the SI rishi story thinking of Nox having a sith colonial empire in the rishi maze 😭

bright phoenix
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lol

elfin anchor
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also its a shame that the game forgets about all the cool abilities the SI has. Not only did the game seemingly forget about force walk (which I imagine could have been handy when dealing with valk?) but also there is dream walking which could have at least gotten a mention when valk put the outlander through those illusions early on in the story.

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all the more reason why I felt the SI and the outlander just are way different characters

bright phoenix
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yeah best they did was some class specific mentions early on

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but a lot of it was homogenized, no way around that

elfin anchor
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Consular arguably could shield himself and get Valk out of their body, kind of like what they did with vivicar and morrhage.

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unless im missing something

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
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there are some mentions here and there

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the speech you get from valk at the end before killing him is also class specific

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
elfin anchor
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9 or 10, cant remember

bright phoenix
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ah just built the base on odessen

elfin anchor
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yea

bright phoenix
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this was one of the the codex entries that broke me

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https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/heralds-of-zildrog

Jedipedia.net's SWTOR Database
Heralds of Zildrog – Codex entries

Stories of the dragon Zildrog predate Izax's pantheon. In the earliest legends, Zildrog was a guiding mentor who tested the strength of a warrior's spirit. A fallen warrior would be consumed by the dragon, feeding its everlasting power. However, a victorious warrior was rewarded with the Breath of the Dragon. This boon imbued a soul with burning...

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🤣

elfin anchor
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when did vitiate get the Eternal Fleet by the way? It could have been used to win the great galactic war. Or to invade the galaxy after KotoR 2. Or during kotor 1. Or during the mando wars. Or after the kun war.

This insanely op fleet unironically could have made an early sith invasion of the galaxy possible way earlier on

bright phoenix
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the throne took generations to build

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he kept kind of iterating on zakuul, but he had been building it probably for nearly a millennium

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
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like he literally raised them from a bunch of tribes lol

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in that regard, the eternal fleet almost symbolizes him finishing his magnum opus

elfin anchor
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wild to picture Vitiate having the likes of Fulminiss, the dread masters, darth mekhis and this eternal fleet at his disposal and still not crushing the republic

bright phoenix
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the idea was that in addition to the war

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he also had the fleet rampaging in wild space

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I think it was Hall Hood that said this

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but he wasn't ready to reveal Zakuul or the Fleet to the rest of the galaxy

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they kind of arrive to the scene when imps and reps are at their weakest

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and Valkorion is ready to reinvent himself as a galactic savior by choosing you as his new host

void pelican
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the emperor had a lot more than three hundred years of being a primarily incorporeal entity; it seems likely to me that he could partition his mind to an extent

elfin anchor
void pelican
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which if we take it as read could also explain Valky's different demeanor -- he's another partition

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with the emperor moving his primary focus over there sometimes

elfin anchor
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Yeah, I guess. Maybe its product of revan's influence over his mind?

void pelican
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see that's the thing

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I don't think Revan had any more influence than the Emperor allowed

elfin anchor
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right

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I guess. Dunno

void pelican
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part of that is like, if Revan had managed unrestricted access then Zakuul wouldn't have stayed a secret

elfin anchor
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Thats a good point yeah

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revan really just got clowned every time

void pelican
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yeah

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they really did revan dirty

frigid parrot
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Agreed

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As fun as SWTOR is, I wish they kept the kotor characters out

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And have their stories ended

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It’s clear they used Revan for a cash grab

elfin anchor
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underrated era

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thousand year conflict

clever ibex
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Would have been perfect setting for an mmo

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The war literally lasts a millenia they wouldn't need to worry about how it all ends

elfin anchor
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exactly

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and honestly there are so many OP sith lords in this time period Vitiate might just fit right in

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So he wont really be that much of an outlier compared to the other guys

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...aside from how comically hard it is to kill him

west sequoia
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he definitely did something to render himself into a spirit, I forget whether that was purely a force ritual or if it was aided by artifacts he constructed

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it went wrong in a way because he was bound as a spirit within the depths of his temples for... thousands of years?

west sequoia
west sequoia
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and they didnt go with the new sith wars specifically because they wanted to continue with the story threads of kotor1 and 2

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they were stonewalled on releasing kotor3 as a game, allegedly by EA but i dont think that covers the period between kotor2 and EA's buyout of Bioware in 2007

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so there must have also been some further issue there, between Bioware and Obsidian

winter trellis
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I jsut wish the sith empire wasn't so

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OT looking

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then again they already threw out the tales of the jedi aesthetic for a more PT/OT look for kotor so I guess I shouldn't be surprised

elfin anchor
elfin anchor
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guys

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does anyone recall if this game tried to explain the origin of the rakghoul outbreak on taris? Like, I dont remember if they ever mentioned muur and his talisman. I can vaguely remember one of the side quests mentioning that a powerful sith used taris as a testing ground (?)

void pelican
elfin anchor
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ye I remember, but I could swear there was also some interesting bits of info in some of the taris side quests. Im working on a timeline for the time period of the exiles but this part has been bothering me for a while lol

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also I havent forgotten how we never actually kill that creature lol, its still out there

native spade
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Lore question. Do Mandalorians have corporations or industrial clans who specialize in manufacturing? Or is each clan responsible for their own tech?

elfin anchor
native spade
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Oh that is cool! So beskar armor may have been off limits, but it looks like things like ships and weapons were eagerly sold.

void pelican
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Beskar armor was individually crafted though, so it makes sense it was more or less off limits

elfin anchor
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Dunno how relevant this is but wanted to say that during the mando wars neo crusaders had this:

keen delta
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i killed everyone

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and i will keep killing

elfin anchor
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So did Revan have The Foundry during the jedi civil war?

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Thats the implication right?

unborn brook
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No, I would think the Republic would have blasted that asteroid... Though, he’d have to know about it before his imprisonment... Hmm...

elfin anchor
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Revan could have kept it a secret tbh

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the sith empire somehow was keeping the star forge a secret despite it being in its flag

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and revan apparently also kept malachor's trayus academy a secret from malak but the source is questionable tbf

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Meanwhile on Dantooine, the small Jedi academy overseen by Master Vodo-Siosk Baas is shocked to learn that a lone Jedi Padawan has disobeyed a direct order from Jedi Master ATRIS, a prominent Jedi on the Council. This single student has left behind the relative safety of the training grounds to fight alongside the Jedi loyal to Master Revan. But this young one, like the other Jedi brethren, is unaware of the tremendous dark side power wielded by Revan and the terrible secrets of Malachor V. Revan's power continues to grow, and he secretly strengthens his stronghold, hiding it even from his apprentice, DARTH MALAK. Soon, the evil force infecting the planet became the FORGE for Darth Revan's shock troops; the feared SITH ASSASSINS - fallen Jedi, tempted and cajoled by the evil of Malachor V, and under Revan's evil command. Soon, a shadow academy to the one on Korriban is constructed; and an evil enclave mirroring the Jedi academy on Dantooine is complete.
(Vodo had died way before the mando wars... And this is also implying, if not outright saying that Revan had already fallen to the dark side in the early years of the mando wars)

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Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith. He had discovered a weapon that he could use against the Mandalorians, and a weapon by which he could convert more Jedi to his cause. This process of "turning" Jedi into SITH ASSASSINS continued even as the Jedi Council hailed Revan as a hero, as he lead the Republic forces to victory over the Mandalorians in the skies above Malachor V, and forces them to surrender. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence.

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This sounds badass

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A lone Jedi Knight, who had journeyed earlier to fight alongside Revan, forsakes him after the surrender of the Mandalorians - and the apparent loss of the Knight's connection to the Force during the battle - and journeys back to the Old Republic, determined not to fight any longer. The Knight is exiled by the Jedi Order, and the Knight's lightsaber is removed. Meanwhile, Darth Revan and his apprentice, DARTH MALAK, return from the Mandalorian War with a new fleet, comprising many previously loyal Republic soldiers and commanders, and a systematic and lethal attack begins. In tandem with the attacks of his fleet, Revan orders his SITH ASSASSINS to ratchet up the frequency and brutality of their swift attack strikes. The period of history known as the Old Republic Insurrection begins.

In disarray, the Jedi Council quickly gathers a small band of Jedi warriors together under the command of Jedi BASTILA SHAN with an imperative and almost suicidal mission; to capture Darth Revan, demoralize his troops, and strangle the insurrection. Setting a trap against a small Republic fleet, a small Jedi strike force boards Revan's ship, battling the Dark Lord into submission. Rather than helping his Master, DARTH MALAK lets the Jedi drag Revan from the throne after attempting a mind-wipe which was only partially successful. Returning to the Council with a comatose Revan, Jedi Masters healed Revan's mind, and implanted a loyal Republic personality.

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guess it can still fit in with the current narrative but you'll just have Revan already dabbling with the dark side very early on before he even met vitiate as was retconned by that atrocious fucking book, either way im getting carried away point is if revan could hide the star forge from the republic and malachor from malak then I guess I can see him keeping the foundry a secret?

unborn brook
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Well... Wasn’t Revan fallen by the time of the end of the Mando War?

elfin anchor
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dont recall him already having SITH ASSASSINS in the war though

unborn brook
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Sith though? I doubt... Him being a “Dark Jedi”, I can get behind...

elfin anchor
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yeah but the text says Sith

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i guess you could say just commanding dark jedi that know sith techniques

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But they arent fully Sith

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dunno

unborn brook
elfin anchor
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lmao

unborn brook
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Since there’s no drop of Sith in their veins... They have to be Sparkling Dark Jedi...

elfin anchor
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i still consider them sith

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or rather

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they'd be sith after the mando wars

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or would you rather say that Ajunta Pall, Exar or even Palpatine are just Sparkling Dark Jedi

unborn brook
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Aye!!! Sparkling Jen’Jidai!!!

elfin anchor
unborn brook
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Same with Revan!!! And Freedon Nadd!!! Treya, Nihilus, and Sion too!!! Lol!!!

elfin anchor
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i mean jen'jidai started out with ajunta who wasnt a biological sith tbh

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should be game on as long as they adopt sith culture

unborn brook
elfin anchor
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Sorry meant Jen'ari

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which means Dark Lord

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Dark Lord literally a title that got given to people who dabbed on the sith

winter trellis
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Anyone can proclaim themselves sith if they delve into its nonsense enough

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Other times a convenient ghost will pop up and stab your forehead

zenith zinc
elfin anchor
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No idea why this dude is a pretender, its just Bane crying someone isnt following his doctrine.

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and Nihilus shouldnt even care about this sort of thing

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no clue why he'd even bother with a holocron

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he just doesnt strike you as the type of guy that'd care about Sith ideology at all

elfin anchor
# winter trellis Other times a convenient ghost will pop up and stab your forehead

well what @unborn brook was arguing was quite different. He says only those with sith genes are legit sith lords thus the likes of exar, revan and even palpatine are just fancy dark jedi. And this is just inaccurate. He is overlooking the fact the very first sith lords were the exiles who formed the sith council and the very first dark lord of the sith was ajunta. Not to mention in the old sith empire, the hybrids were constantly arguing over which one of them had more exile blood than the other because they considered the exiled jedi to be gods. And also even before the empire collapsed they would allow anyone powerful enough to join the Sith Order and thus become a Sith Lord. Sadow did that with one of the Daragon brothers and he later would go on to do that with Freedon nadd. You yourself mentioned how sometimes sith spirits just show up and tell you you are awesome enough to be the new dark lord lol

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Sorzus literally created the Sith code for the Sith order aka the new caste that the exiles imposed on the Sith people after they took over Sith Space aka Sith Lords. She even says the actual Sith do not need such code so its just for the new elite cabal that'd rule over the Kissai, Massassi, Zuguruk, etc. This cabal would include hybrids obviously but nothing really says that only hybrids are allowed in. True to og Sith philosophy anyone strong enough and knowledgeable enough in Sith shit can become one and this is proven by the fact members, highly respected members at that, (such as, again, marka ragnos or naga sadow) allowed people not native to Sith Space to join the order and become Sith.

jovial ether
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Why were red eyes retconned from the game to be replaced with orange eyes?

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I personally thought they were cool.

elfin anchor
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Star fortresses are cool tbh

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Their codex entry mentions them having a "Sun generator" whats up with that I havent done one of the star fortress missions in a while

bright phoenix
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it's a zakuul thing, they have them everywhere

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you see them in kotfe ch3 in the metropolis for the first time

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star fortress sun generators are massive versions of those

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every eternal fleet ship is also powered by a sun generator

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to actually see the sun generator in the star fortress you have to do the heroic version where you defeat the exarch

elfin anchor
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Ohh I remember that thing yeah thats honestly really cool

bright phoenix
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praise the sun

elfin anchor
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wonder how the power output of EE ships compares to those of Movie era ships

bright phoenix
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dunno but peak aesthetics

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also gemini captains > normie human captains

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kinda wonder why they didn't show off the fleet in the sacrifice trailer

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find it hard to believe they didn't have the final design ready

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I mean I guess the throne is different too

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and the cgi stuff takes a while to put together

elfin anchor
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was the EE fleet used by Arcann and Texas during those early raids?

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Texas

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lol

bright phoenix
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I think it was

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nah it couldn't have lol

elfin anchor
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hm then I guess in retrsopect Marr should have been prepped to deal with the fleet tbh

bright phoenix
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well it could have

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yeah

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honestly dunno

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I can't find a source

elfin anchor
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marr's expeditionary force genuinely shitting bricks when the entire EF shows up lmao

bright phoenix
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yeah

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I did always assume they didn't have the right to use the fleet

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but then at some point I guess I read somewhere that they did supposedly

elfin anchor
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"If Moff Pyron counterattacks we'll be fine"
"My lord...Pyron..."

bright phoenix
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lol

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you know what

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we should just go by the trailer

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
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I don't think they used the fleet

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yeah it's just wookiepedia misinformation as usual

elfin anchor
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probs

bright phoenix
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especially bad for swtor

bright phoenix
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they probably should have

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just for a cooler trailer

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
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maybe they were saving it for valkorion's cinematic

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rip

elfin anchor
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galaxies lore and swtor lore do get hit pretty hard tho yea

bright phoenix
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galaxies articles are hilarious

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with the random npcs

elfin anchor
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yeah lol

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the card game actually has some awesome stuff though

bright phoenix
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graphics design is my passion

elfin anchor
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lmfao

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Blackman? same dude that wrote TFU?

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huh

bright phoenix
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maybe consulting on it idk

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didn't read that

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I mean he was a lucasarts guy

elfin anchor
elfin anchor
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wat ze fuk

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Not exactly how I remember the origins of the rakghoul plague lol.

Rakghoul.png
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3 centuries ago? No mention of the talisman? Wat ze fuk

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babe wake up new numbers for Coruscant's population just dropped

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987 billion

void pelican
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sealed in a sarcophagus... until it breaks out

elfin anchor
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yea ik, was just poking fun at what the encyclopedia says

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actually no clue when the taris outbreak in the undercity started

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or for how long the muur talisman had been there

marble yew
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Question shae vizla featured a bit in the games cinematic trailers when the game first launched but I don't ever remember encountering her until shadow of revan

Same with Jace Malcolm (unless you count him being in the crowd at the end of knight story)

Do ethier of them show up anywhere in the base game?

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I'm guessing probably one of the class stories I have yet to do

elfin anchor
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background extra

marble yew
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Yea in the background

elfin anchor
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oh I just noticed you mentioned it oof

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sorry multi tasking

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aside from that

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I dont think he shows up in other stories tbh

marble yew
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And shae?

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Honestly when I initially read the annihilation tie in novel (great read btw) I was initially confused on who Jace was until they mentioned the time satele dropped a mountain on malgus

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Jace is in that book alot

elfin anchor
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annihilation is the only swtor book i have left to read lol

marble yew
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There's 4 of them right?

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I've read revan and annihilation

elfin anchor
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yeah

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dont read fatal alliance

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i hate it

elfin anchor
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it was an ok book by the way. Death Troopers is way better though

marble yew
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I have deceived and fatal alliance

Haven't read them though

elfin anchor
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i own annihilation but never got around to reading it lol

elfin anchor
marble yew
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Annihilation and revan are both great did book reports on them in high school

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The revan book gets way too much hate

elfin anchor
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ehhhh i genuinely hate revan tbh

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i heard annihilation is quite good though

marble yew
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Man I loved revan

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Annihilation is definitely better but I read both of them just a few months before kotet came out

Imagine my shock when I learned I was going to nathema

elfin anchor
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lol

marble yew
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But back to the original question does shae appear anywhere in the base game

marble yew
elfin anchor
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I plan to read annihilation after I finish most of the other class stories. And I'll finish most class stories when my subscription runs out which is in like a couple of days

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actually hate I never got to do temple of sacrifice

winter trellis
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I forget what they call them

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exploration missions?

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I dunno

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after that though he pretty much vanishes till war for iokath

west sequoia
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bonus series

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and no, Shae wasnt in the game until SoR

vapid cloud
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Would mekeb be owned by darkmar ?

vapid cloud
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Uhh can I get a run down about cz 198, what characters or importance it has? So I can be informed since doing Flashpoint solo is very difficult ||it only has master or veteran difficulty with no robot helper to dps||

subtle salmon
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Think has no story element except in the FPs

elfin anchor
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it has some cool lore but thats it

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somehow czerka has flesh raiders and shit

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they cooked

subtle salmon
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Feeling them being a big bad in the future sounds interesting

vapid cloud
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Noted.

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Where is our character supposed to meet Reavan daughter?

subtle salmon
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Who?

vapid cloud
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Lana beniko

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(I assume she the daughter of raven .)

subtle salmon
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She’s not

vapid cloud
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Oh, well it seem that way to me for long time.

subtle salmon
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What does the quest say to meet her?

vapid cloud
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That what I'm asking if their is a quest that allows us to meet her

subtle salmon
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You started Shadow of Revan?

vapid cloud
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Not yet, but I will soon

subtle salmon
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Then can’t meet her yet

vapid cloud
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However, odd thing is she in incursion of korriban

subtle salmon
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Have to start Shadow of Revan to meet her

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That’s a FP that’s part of SoR

vapid cloud
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Ah alright

marble yew
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I'm beginning to get curious as to how zakuul was never discovered until KOTFE and why they never invaded prior to that

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I suppose that second part can be explained by valkorian

unborn brook
marble yew
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But wasnt zakuul extremely primitive as well?

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Before you know who found them

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Unless the original zakuul colonist arrived via sleeper ship which was a common predecessor of the hyperdrive

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That would explain why they were primitive before tenebrae found them

unborn brook
west sequoia
marble yew
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Remind me what were the names of all of the exiles?

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There Were 12 Right

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Wait a fuckin minute korriban has a 3rd name

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Pesegam

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Didn't know that

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I know it was known as moraband during the clone wars era but pesegam is a new one to me

unborn brook
marble yew
unborn brook
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Nope, Syn did...

marble yew
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I really need to read up on the early sith

elfin anchor
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https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Temple_of_Sacrifice

The Sith Emperor, upon learning of the artifact's existence, established Yavin 4 as his final sanctuary, with the intention of using the artifact to restore himself should he ever be driven to the brink of death. During the Galactic War, the Order of Revan invaded Yavin 4 and wiped out the Imperial Guardsmen protecting the artifact, and** Revan attempted to use the artifact to bring the currently-spectral Emperor back to a physical form in order to kill him.** A coalition of Imperial and Republic forces was formed in response to this plot. The Temple was then stormed, and the artifact destroyed.

Wookieepedia
Temple of Sacrifice

The Temple of Sacrifice was a Sith temple on the moon Yavin 4 that hosted a Sith artifact capable of consuming all life on the moon. The Sith Emperor, upon learning of the artifact's existence...

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Too good of a coincidence. It just happened that way before SWTOR was written, it was established that Sadow knew a way to give flesh to departed spirits but the comic never actually showed what exactly Sadow's trick was

native spade
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After Korriban, could the survivors go back home? Were they able to choose their own paths in life, or was it not so simple?

bright phoenix
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anyone remember which part of the IA story mentions this line " "Stryver is working the Mandalorians".

clever ibex
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Who was Stryver again?

bright phoenix
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a main character from Fatal Alliance

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absolutely unhinged novel

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that is barely relevant to the main game

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but has similar themes like the factions uniting against a common enemy

clever ibex
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Ah lizard mando

bright phoenix
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anyway although the novel doesn't mention it explicitly, I'm assuming Dao Stryver is a member of the Star Cabal

clever ibex
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Remember now

clever ibex
bright phoenix
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oh I missed that

clever ibex
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Also as for ya question seems like it happens last chapter of IA story

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bright phoenix
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lmao I guess I could have read the actual article

clever ibex
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Yes

bright phoenix
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anyway while I'm at it I'll just vent how the fuck does Lema Xandret build an army of droids capable of potentially conquering the galaxy

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literally no context for this shit

clever ibex
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Idk will of the ||plot|| force or smth

bright phoenix
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The droids were instilled with a remnant of Lema Xandret, known as an amnioid, which gave them life-like qualities.

bright phoenix
clever ibex
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Btw that pic looks like a generic probe droid and a cis dwarf spider droid

bright phoenix
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the droids are actually silver iirc

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and way more high tech looking

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I thought they were somehow related to iokath shit when I started reading the book

clever ibex
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They would fit that place well I think

bright phoenix
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anyway are we all in agreement the Star Cabal is just another Vitiate meme?

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aligned perfectly with his goals of weakening both factions

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Dao Stryver's biggest concern was the two factions joining forces

marble yew
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So I played the HK-55 chapter last night and I completely forgot about that twist

Can someone explain the shroud to me

native plaza
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the shroud is the villain of the micro binocular arc that you can pick up at level 50 or if you wait for it to show up where it originally started it's found on Makeb with Rise of the Hutt Cartel. Basically super spy who's gone rogue... the quest chain ends with at least 1 heroic 4 if memory serves maybe 2 there is also a set of toys "Encrytped Datacubes" that ties into it as extras. Doing hat chapter before the Fractured Alliances changes a bit of dialog in that story from if you didn't do that chapter first (since you have now solved the Shroud Mystery apparently) removing him as a suspect.

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marble yew
native plaza
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as based on that ending... technically ||Z0-0M || apparently was the shroud

marble yew
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Like I've played this chapter a few times before but I completely forgot about that twist

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Also apparently the shroud manipulated marr and my character to find zakuul in the first place

marble yew
bright phoenix
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https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/replicator-droid

Jedipedia.net's SWTOR Database
Replicator Droid – Codex entries

A primary tool in the infamous Shroud's espionage network, a replicator droid can use holographic projection and voice modulation to assume the identity of any organic or synthetic being stored in its databanks. The true origin of replicator droids is uncertain, though some speculate the Shroud stumbled across lost alien tech years ago and lever...

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ALIEN TECH

bright phoenix
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what was the implication

marble yew
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So you're telling me that is the shroud

bright phoenix
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unknown how long

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was just reminded of the baffling exchange between Aries and Vaylin kotet

marble yew
bright phoenix
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yeah supposedly he was real at some point

marble yew
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My thought train is the original shroud was killed by the replicator droid and all the subsequent "shrouds" the replicator droid hired were given surgery to look like the original

native plaza
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Yeah the datacubes are hard to find, I found them in a pack without knowing what they were exactly... There are youtubes of the short cutscenes from them too. The cubes are cute if you can find them but tend to be expensive. The story arc is kind of clear as mud and doesn't help that I did it alongside the dread seed one that also starts the same time and did it in bits and pieces because it's a slog with parts you need groups for I've been doing it again, along side my friend on characters we used a master's datacron on to boost to level 80 from the start so hopefully I can get the story in less fits and bits and more coherant timing lol

marble yew
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The one we meet in the HK-55 chapter is apparently the 51st person to be the shroud

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And we know Theron came across him at one point

native plaza
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and yeah my theory was that he was originally human, but somehow transferred his consciousness to a droid to out survive his human body , and well from there you get the crazy

marble yew
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I doubt that very much

native plaza
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I personally think there are far too many holes in the Shroud story to get a coherent picture overall, it feels a bit like a started then dropped thread that they tossed an ending at this way

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Z0-0M may be the original base code before tinkering a the droid without the personality is just metal parts

marble yew
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I think Z0-0M killed the original

native plaza
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choosing a replicator droid to be able to make the droid look like you would make sense

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but either is possible, again the story has big gaping holes left in it lol so there is lots of room for speculation

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Z0-0M also personality wise as we have her doesn't fit the idea of killing the shroud and all that... lol she's genuinely upset or seems to be at being evil lol

marble yew
native plaza
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very true

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that's why there is really no way to tell and part of the big gaping holes in the story lol

marble yew
native plaza
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lol yeah, there also may be pieces I haven't pieced together I don't get the impression there will be but I can't rule it out since there are still a handful of planet stories I haven't done as well as some exploration missions and a couple of flashpoints ... oh and all those uprisings that I didn't even know about because sadly there isn't a big in your face here go do these now start marker to those that I have seen, just the offhand mention in a post credit styled cut scene lol

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The Alien tech bit though sort of makes it feel like there should have been something more there that tied to Iokath to me at least

marble yew
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She did kill the original

maiden stag
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Does anyone know what the fuck the Sith Entity from false emperor is? I noticed it follows the name format of being named X Entity and having the title <Echo of the Dark Side> which it shares with the Dreadful and Hateful entities, immediately making me think maybe the Sith Entity is connected to those two. The interesting thing about the sith entity is it has a form as a force ghost while we only see some weird hypergate thingy for dreadful and hateful, but the real question is why is Malgus keeping this thing around. Although the sith entity does have some very noticeable differences from its supposed cousins, so I'm honestly intrigued by its existence in general and presence on the space station, although its similarities to the other entities I mentioned might just be a coincidence, so I don't really know what's up with it.

elfin anchor
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lmfao dont its sooo bad

marble yew
maiden stag
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never thought about that

elfin anchor
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looks more like kallig if anything tbh

marble yew
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I very much doubt it's kallig

maiden stag
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honestly the problem is it looks like every sith lord ever

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but yeah looks a lot like kallig but

marble yew
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It simply can't be kallig

maiden stag
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yeah

elfin anchor
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No way its kreia either lol. Guess its probs some random loser? I have no clue

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inb4 its vodal

marble yew
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Nihilus perhaps?

maiden stag
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looks like kallig but no fucking shot its kallig, def not kreia, prob some forgotten sith we dont even know exists

elfin anchor
marble yew
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But yeah

maiden stag
elfin anchor
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yeah kreia and kallig are 1% and nihilus is 1,2%

maiden stag
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seems more likely than kreia kallig or nihlus

elfin anchor
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i remember the prophet of vodal kreesh saying something like vodal would eventually return

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but then when you finish the FP

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Malgus said he felt the spirit's death

uneven quartz
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The Force Entity is not stated to be anybody in particular, but has a small backstory that one could read and assume it is Kreia.

However, the line that the entity says calling the Emporer their "love" throws a giant monkey wrench in to that, since Kreia would have nothing to do with the Emporer's plans or goals lol.

elfin anchor
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different entity

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betwixel meant this one

marble yew
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Which emperor does it refer to though

uneven quartz
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Oh?

maiden stag
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yeah this thing

elfin anchor
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he is talking about the flashpoint

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called false emperor

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the one where you fight malgus

marble yew
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Malgus or vitate

elfin anchor
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guh

bright phoenix
marble yew
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Since it takes place on the same space station from the knight story

elfin anchor
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it was bad right lol

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@bright phoenix

bright phoenix
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honestly.... red harvest is probably worse

elfin anchor
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nahhhh

bright phoenix
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at least this one has swtor characters

marble yew
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Red harvest is baad

bright phoenix
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red harvest doesn't even have an ending

elfin anchor
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fatal alliance is way worse

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le droids made out of bullshittium

bright phoenix
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honesty amazed the guy who wrote maul lockdown wrote red harvest

bright phoenix
uneven quartz
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The sad thing is that helmet is used quite a bit. We attribute it mostly to Kallig, but there's like 2 or 3 other npcs that use that helmet model too. Plus, we know for damned sure it isn't Kallig, unless he just got yoinked from the Temple with zero mention. Plus his armor is different, another thing to suggest it isn't Kallig.

Any other npcs that use that armor? Could be a slight clue. 🤷

bright phoenix
maiden stag
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The thing that I'm most curious about is why malgus is just keeping the entity on his space station, that might provide some clue as to what it is but idk

timber harborBOT
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@elfin anchor, your message has been flagged by our auto-moderation filter.

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
uneven quartz
maiden stag
elfin anchor
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like are you serious lumpy

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and the entire world where the droids were at

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gets destroyed

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forgotten

bright phoenix
bright phoenix
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then I had to confirm

elfin anchor
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i think that was a retcon done way later?

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dont remember

bright phoenix
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I heard the book is based on an older draft of swtor too

elfin anchor
bright phoenix
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what's funny about the droids though

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is that

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they are so complex

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this game couldn't in a billion years render something like that

elfin anchor
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that world also had cloning facilities iirc

bright phoenix
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yep

elfin anchor
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and those droids are insane lol it genuinely feels like something a GM would come up with just to troll their players

bright phoenix
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yeah I was just waiting for it click like ok Xandret found some cache of alien tech or something

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but no she built them lol

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as for the droids not being mentioned in swtor

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well tbh that part was covered conveniently, whole operation was memory wiped

elfin anchor
maiden stag
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weird

elfin anchor
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the athiss fp is so weird too lol

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like

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why cant the empire just bomb that world from orbit? The only logical explanation is that someone does actually want to keep Vodal's secrets

maiden stag
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i wouldnt be surprised if someone does want to keep vodals secrets but yeah why does the athiss fp even happen

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so weird

elfin anchor
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That world is primitive as fuck right so no defenses nothing to protect it from orbital bombardment

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just make the world inhospitable and never worry about the cultists again

maiden stag
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yeah theres like nothing there besides the cultists

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and they have like nothing

elfin anchor
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granted they seem to have a huge underground city but again make the surface inhospitable these guys will eventually just die.

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For most galactic travelers, the planet Athiss barely warrants a second glance on the scanner. It appears to be nothing more than a small world off the Descri Wris hyperplane, with little of interest besides a scattering of unexplored ruins.

But the Jedi Archives tell a grim story. The Jedi Master Chamma visited Athiss early in his career and clashed with a dark side entity there. The duel, and the oppressive feelinf of an evil on Athiss;s surface, drove Chamma close to the dark side of the Force. Shaken by the experience, he went into a self-imposed exile; it was almost a century before he came to terms with what he had seen and felt on Athiss, and was able to return to the order.
The many ruins on Athiss have never been properly studied. They resemble the architecture of the ancient Sith Empire, but their purpose is mysterious. A few records of Athiss survive in the libraries of the Citadel, but contemporary Sith scholars are forbidden from studying them, on the personal order of the Emperor.

uneven quartz
# elfin anchor why cant the empire just bomb that world from orbit? The only logical explanatio...

Well, because the temple was sealed off. There is something inside of it, and who knows what use it could eventually be. The research may be forbidden from study, and the temple sealed off, but the fact it was not bombarded from existence leads one to think there is something threatening or powerful there. We can thank the Republic for trying to study the Temple when they dug it up for the FP run.

elfin anchor
# uneven quartz Well, because the temple was sealed off. There is something inside of it, and wh...

who knows what use it could eventually be
Well the Empire didnt seem to have much use for it since they immediately start debating whether or not to keep Vodal's artifacts while Malgus says he'd completely wipe Vodal's name from Sith history.

It just seems like the best course of action if you find republic explorers about to mess with ancient forbidden knowledge is to simply bomb the world not like that world has any way to resist complete orbital bombardment tbh.

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honestly now that I think about it

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exploring an underground city/sith tomb in a world with an irradiated surface due to orbital bombardment

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sounds badass lol

uneven quartz
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It says Vodal once challenged the Emporer. I'm assuming in personal combat, not the ancient duel that wipes you and everything connected to you from existence (since, well, we still know his name, his Temple is still there, and research is only sealed, not scrubbed.)

elfin anchor
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sounded more like a sort of rebellion to me i dont recall them being specific about how exactly he challenged the emperor

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also remember that way before swtor chamma and other jedi found athiss and faced some sith cultists, which means that world alone posed a great risk for the emperor's plans if the jedi had decided to begin exploring it. Potentially could have revealed the existance of the hidden true sith way before even kotor happened

uneven quartz
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The part that gets me is that Athiss was so seeped in the Dark energy of the Force that Chamma was going mad himself, and went in to a self-imposed exile for a century to recover.

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Not many planets that can drive you insane.

elfin anchor
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and the jedi never bothered to look into why this world was so potent in the dark side for some reason

uneven quartz
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Well, maybe Chamma didn't report it before the exile?

elfin anchor
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Maybe, i think it was explained in some really old rpg sourcebook i forgot about the story

uneven quartz
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Hmm. So he fought some physical spectre-like beings of dark energy with physical lightsabers (or, he fought at least one of them, which vaporized upon death o.o) and it used some force ability to momentarily server his connection to the force. He thought the Force willingly abandoned him and reconciled that he survived through his anger, so went in to exile. 🤔

elfin anchor
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(Unironically that encounter needs to be animated it sounds badass)

uneven quartz
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It does, lol.

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But how the hell does this other Jedi know what the cultists plans were? O.o

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Just Deus Ex'd their plans or something?

elfin anchor
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was gonna mention that. The Jedi also know that these guys were survivors from the Fall of the Sith Empire too

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so in retrospective they really were extremely close to finding out about Vitiate's sith lmao

uneven quartz
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Yeah, he just seems to know everything that happened in the battle, action by action, plus who the cultists were, and their plans. 🤔

elfin anchor
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this guy doesnt seem like a spy if thats what you were implying. He also is a jedi in one of the Noetikons

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Guess the Jedi just decided to keep investigating Athiss after that incident?

uneven quartz
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Oh no. I was not implying that. It's just weird that he knows everything that happened on Athiss.

elfin anchor
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and thats how they found out the creature's plans (somehow)

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ah lol

uneven quartz
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I guess if those two Jedi other than Chamma survived and reported what they could, they could piece the puzzle together... A bit. But maybe not so perfectly. But oh well, i won't dwell on it.

elfin anchor
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Yep, and there is always the possibility the jedi just sent more to Athiss to investigate tbh

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does also seem interesting the sith mentioned there are said to be survivors of the fall of the sith empire though

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this must have happened in like 4398 BBY (4 centuries before the nadd uprising). So if the creatures?/cultist?/ actual sith? chamma met are from that time period I guess the implication is that Vodal lived that long too?

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dunno

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A millennium ago the planet Athiss was a Sith sanctuary that held the sanctuary of Vodal Kressh, a powerful Sith Lord and among the greatest alchemists the Empire had ever known. Vodal was a powerful and ambitious Sith, but he was also utterly mad. So much so that after his death the Emperor ordered Kressh's sanctum sealed, and the planet declared a forbidden zone. Now something stirs on the planet's surface once again.
A Republic archaeological team discovered the planet while on a survey mission, and began to excavate the ancient Sith ruins. During their study of the ruins the strike team has discovered something powerful, feeding on the Dark Side power that emanates from the ruins. Now both the Republic and the Empire are scrambling together strike teams to make their way to the planet, confront the threat and make sure that it never leaves the abandoned world.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190830133000/https://www.swtor.com/holonet/flashpoints/athiss

Athiss

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elfin anchor
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huh this is actually quite interesting I completely forgot about this

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he goes to athiss and eventually exal, one of his descendants, returns to serve Vitiate

uneven quartz
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Too bad he turned in to a punk as Darth Thanaton. Yeesh, what a bad ending to that legacy.

west sequoia
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Exal was planned to be the first of the Children of the Emperor but she didnt want her mind hollowed out

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and part of how Thanaton became a council member was related to that conflict

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https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/the-obliteration-of-kressh lore codex on DK

Jedipedia.net's SWTOR Database
The Obliteration of Kressh – Codex entries

Since before the Great Hyperspace War, the Kressh bloodline was a proud and noble one in the Empire. Pureblooded Sith Lords, strong in the Force, were born to the Kressh line generation after generation. Statues and monuments to Kressh champions could be found across Dromund Kaas--until the Emperor declared the Kressh name an abomination and ord...

west sequoia
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but yeah, total mystery as to his real identity, dont think there's even any kind of ancillary lore that gives vague hints unlike the entity the Warrior encounters

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would be kinda funny if they retcon her into being Nul but so far it doesnt seem like she'd be the one to hold an attitude of loving Vitiate either

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plus Raniah didnt cause the downfall of the Jedi Order, simply a minor schism

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and then there's the inconsistency of Vowrawn calling that entity as old as the Force itself

marble yew
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However a possible answer may still exists from the same source

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It cannot be drammath however what if it's one of the sith lords vitate tricked into destroying nathema

bright phoenix
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had Bioware finished the galactic history videos, BTC 32,800 would have dealt with philosophers and scientists sharing knowledge about the Force on Tython

native spade
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How does getting a master as a Sith work? Do the masters pick from the survivors on Korriban? And what happens if one passes their trials, but no Sith Lord takes them?

uneven quartz
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If the Inquisitor and SW are any indication, you arrive at Korriban already slated for a specific Master (Inq), or one takes an interest in you and declares you under their wing (SW.)

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As for passing their trials and no Lord takes them, I've no personal idea. I would suppose most of those get weeded out in the trials. For the ones that don't, can't say. At least i can't.

subtle salmon
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I assumed they stay there till they do get a master, though I imagine a Sith Lord could take them as think many Sith masters take more then one

west sequoia
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i'd say the inq's acolytehood is the more standard process

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there are other sith academies, korriban in both cases feels more like the "you are on the precipice of becoming sith" point

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but because crab bucket mentality, a sith doesnt just take a single acolyte on, their prospective apprentice has to be proven in more ways than one