#universal tweaks

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white sand
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(everything it does is configurable if the feature isnt needed)

strange remnant
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It does a lot of tweaks because almost everything in it is just taken from other mods

odd meadow
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iirc swing through grass and glass has exploits

white sand
white sand
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And also actual support

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Since majority of the mods like swing through grass had support dropped ages ago

grave crater
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what fm2 is saying is the mod is just a bunch of stolen content

white sand
grave crater
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Support taking other content or fixing it ourselves when it becomes a issue is not a very tough call personally

strange remnant
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The mod also relies on that fuckin loli booter shit

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Which we will not use

white sand
white sand
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Since if you're gonna fix it either requires a separate mod

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Which uses the source code

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Or a takeover of the mod

grave crater
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Because fixing it can be done without stealing their code

white sand
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Except it was open source to begin with 💀

strange remnant
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A lot of what is in that mod is just a 1:1 copy paste without changing anything, for no reason

white sand
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Except they changed all the old issues of the mod

strange remnant
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Including a lot of my own mods, that have no reason to be in it besides taking downloads

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A very small amount of whats in it is actually fixing old stuff

grave crater
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If fm2 is saying they are ripping content with no real reason I trust it's legit

strange remnant
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Its one thing if youre taking a single method/tweak from a large mod, or taking something thats old and broken and fixing it

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But a lot of what that mod is doing is just sucking up smaller mods and shoving it into a bigger one for no reason besides downloads

grave crater
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This sounds like me taking lycanites mobs and adding a pig and saying it's lycanite mobs two

white sand
strange remnant
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BetterMC tried doing that recently and got completely shit on and had to shut it all down and pay some people from it

grave crater
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They. don't. need. updating. if. there is. nothing. wrong.

strange remnant
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Right

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The mod isnt fixing stuff, just because its old

white sand
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💀

strange remnant
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Its just copypasting

white sand
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Literally the download page

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Explains every single bug they fixed

grave crater
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Morph is unaware people can lie

white sand
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Which is a slightly large list

white sand
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If that's true why not assume every other mod is lying then

strange remnant
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A lot of mods do lie

white sand
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Also they don't even get a profit benefit off of this

grave crater
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No but they do get u looking at the mods they do profit from

white sand
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They don't profit off of those either -_-

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In fact their project list is just forks of other mods with bugs fixed

strange remnant
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They get profit from downloads, + drives additional downloads to the required dependencies

white sand
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The only required dependency is same as the old mod

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And 13k downloads doesn't exactly = profitable

strange remnant
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Because theyre not in anything big yet

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The whole idea with something like what theyre doing, is to suck up as much of other peoples work as possible to make it look more impressive, so its more likely to get added to big packs

grave crater
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Wait til someone convinces them to be in the next RLCraft because they cut down the mod count

white sand
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Cut down the mod count + fixed old bugs

grave crater
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It's literally cable but for mods

white sand
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What

grave crater
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A bunch of good mods on their own jammed into a small package deal

strange remnant
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I understand maintaining old mods that have actual issues, or forking things to make needed changes, but when the mod is only partly doing that, and the rest is just a copypaste of stuff that shouldnt be in it, plus the loli dependency shit, its just bad

white sand
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That are refused to be fixed

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For older versions

grave crater
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Morph ur not understanding at all and it's coming off very difficult

white sand
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Which is?

strange remnant
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The "cut down mod count" thing is horseshit excuses for people who dont understand modding

grave crater
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This mod is just straight up jacking other people's mods

strange remnant
white sand
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I'm not using that as the main reason

white sand
strange remnant
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The only reason people arent going after this the same as the BMC one is because its not as big/popular yet

grave crater
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Individual forks

strange remnant
strange remnant
white sand
grave crater
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The issue isn't those mods it's the rest they are jamming in

white sand
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Because the creator quite literally just pressed add mod

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Fixed literally nothing

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Plugged their patreon

strange remnant
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which is what half this mod is doing

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thats the point

grave crater
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And fm2 is telling you that this mod is straight up jacking his mods

white sand
strange remnant
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Having a turd, and sprinkling some glitter on it, doesnt make it suddenly good

white sand
strange remnant
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Just because it has some valid fixes, doesnt mean its ok for it to do the rest of the shit

white sand
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Ok just wondering

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And it's more because I legitimately don't know

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What's the difference between that

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And a fork of a mod?

strange remnant
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A fork typically changes the mod and either fixes issues or makes needed changes to it

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Which is generally fine

grave crater
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Forks are just continuations while that was just grabbing everything into 1 mod

strange remnant
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Which, while not a literal fork, the mod contains other mods that it does make those changes to

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thats fine

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When its copypasting another mod, and not making changes/fixes, thats not fine

grave crater
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I'm surprised curseforge hasn't taken him down honestly

white sand
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So what is done in the situation where a bunch of QOL mods all with serious bugs for older versions need to be redone

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Or at least patched

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And the list is pretty high

grave crater
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The best route is u just fork them individually

strange remnant
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Curseforge generally doesnt take anything down that isnt blatantly sexual/racist/harrassing

white sand
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Because regardless the person is gonna be redoing them

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So bundling it doesn't change anything

grave crater
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No

strange remnant
odd meadow
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i mean i use most of those mods in my personal pack but they dont have some of the bugs listed

strange remnant
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Its generally better to have them be separate

grave crater
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Imagine it's like a basket he fixed a few wooden toys then threw in some nerf blasters

white sand
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Which is that half of them were broken

grave crater
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That point is unrelated

white sand
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What???

grave crater
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It doesn't matter if he's stealing content

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Also given he's stealing content we already use there would be conflicts

white sand
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So once again

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What's the solution to the bugs then

grave crater
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You report them

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We fix them

white sand
grave crater
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Problematic modmash avoided

strange remnant
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Swing through grass wouldnt even work as a fix on its own

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We do custom checks with the raytracing for hitting entities now with the 2.9 updates, itd need to be custom readded

grave crater
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^

odd meadow
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from what i can see at its curseforge page, the bugfixes they put in there were the original functions of the mods they sewed

grave crater
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Again you report we fix (if it's worth the effort)

odd meadow
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no original fix in sight

white sand
strange remnant
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"Copy my hw, just change it a little"

white sand
grave crater
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Like I get at heart u mean well but damn this mod just isn't it

white sand
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Yeah Ig so

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Mostly for the loli stuff

grave crater
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No mostly because they stole content

strange remnant
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Its both

white sand
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Actually just out of curiosity

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This is only semi related

odd meadow
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i think its similar to the ice and fire rotn issue lmao

white sand
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So there's an optimisation mod called censored asm

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In the files it's called loli asm

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Would a fork of it called normal ASM be copying?

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Since it removes the

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Loli side of it

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In it's entirety

strange remnant
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Youre not really changing the function of it, just renaming it

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so yeah

white sand
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Yeah p much

grave crater
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... copy my homework just put your name on it xD

strange remnant
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loli asm is the same person that made the loli booter shit is the same person involved in that whole group

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and are just a huge red flag to the general modding community, and banned from most of it

grave crater
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I could never wonder why

strange remnant
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It only got renamed to censored asm because CF forced them to if they didnt want it to get removed

white sand
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Yeah although they kept the file name anyway

grave crater
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Cf only bothers to check more than skin deep if asked

white sand
odd meadow
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maybe if universal tweaks made the mods on its dependencies required and just cut its content to only the things it fixed, it might be better

white sand
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Yeah that would've made more sense tbh

grave crater
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We got RLTweaker for a reason

strange remnant
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Yea a lot of what it has has no reason to be in the mod in the first place, and then a good chunk of what it does actually edit, should only really be a mixin tweak to the original

grave crater
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And now rlmixins

strange remnant
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Like RLMixins and RLTweaker modify a lot of the old broken shit while still relying on the original as a dependency, and only in cases where it requires a lot of base rewriting have we forked it, like RLCombat

white sand
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That's a pretty nice way to put why it isn't needed

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But yeah ig it is weird that it's a separate mod rather then a dependency

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Thanks for clearing that up @grave crater and @strange remnant, sorry if I came off as rude there I was just more curious if anything

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Oh and xvareon

grave crater
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You were just coming off more stubborn than rude

white sand
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More or less

strange remnant
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average modded player

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lel

white sand
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I am kinda stubborn

odd meadow
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threads like this exist for discussion no?

white sand
white sand