#2k stormcast, Getting insight before purchasing my first army. list any good?

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hybrid thorn
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Thunder host
General's Regiment
Ionus Cryptborn, Warden of Lost Souls (420)
• General
Gryph-hounds (80)
Gryph-hounds (80)
Vigilors (140)
Regiment 1
Lord-Vigilant on Gryph-Stalker (210)
• Shock and Awe
• Null Pendant
Reclusians (300)
• Reinforced
Regiment 2
Gardus Steel Soul (200)
Annihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers (220)
Annihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers (220)
Knight-Vexillor (120)

onyx jungle
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Eh why the gryph hounds?

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At least, why 2?

hybrid thorn
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good conduits for thunderhost

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consider them saying add 1 to hit rolls for almost the whole army while there within 12in

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dosent work for reclusians or ionus but thats fine.

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figured just having the reclusians and ionus would not be enough for procing the thunder host buff enough

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i think swaping the vigilors for a knight arcanum looks good currently. considering what i learned about endless spells

onyx jungle
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Idk why but it feels like doing that is giving up more than you are gaining

hybrid thorn
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uhh what part

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sorry didnt know what part thats to

onyx jungle
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Like adding that many gryph hounds

hybrid thorn
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ahh

onyx jungle
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feels like you could swap them for something better

hybrid thorn
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hmm i had them as a way to get around the map easy and for that ability

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you think just using ionus and translocation with the speed the army is will be enough movement?

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know some tatics require that movement and i was thinking of the gryph hounds filling both thoes roles

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im totally down for sugestions

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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this is tru, i dont have enough play testing to know if it was enough vs some matchups

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i will need ideally 5 units on the battlefield so i can place 5 all the slows guys in the realm

onyx jungle
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also now that Im reading it, the thunder host kinda seems pretty meh huh

hybrid thorn
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plan on the 2 annihilators, gardus, vexillor, reclusians,

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yeah without the gryphs i would go sentinels of the bleak i assume?

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not assume. its the only option honestly

onyx jungle
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Think so yea, especially if you already are going to go for quite a decent chunk of ruination chamber

hybrid thorn
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would be good at safe guarding the kill stack combo with lord vigilant and the reclusians

onyx jungle
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but ngl you were building this as a list to buy into SCE right?

hybrid thorn
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yeah

onyx jungle
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You can bet quite hard on SCE getting their battletome really soon.

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So anything you build now will change

hybrid thorn
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we talking big changes or just tweaking?

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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was talkign to a guy earlyer who was saying we get 3 month updates or something

onyx jungle
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But regardless of which it'd be its a safe bet to go for some infantry/broader choice of it so you dont lock yourself to exactly this idea/list

hybrid thorn
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battletomes are alot bigger of changes correct?

onyx jungle
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Yea

hybrid thorn
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ok, im learning how everything releases from yall

onyx jungle
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Like, Warhammer 40k 10th edition came out in june, Space marine codex was October 7th

hybrid thorn
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so 4th edition war scrolls just hold us over till we get our tombs which is the polished version of our armys to be better balanced i assume?

onyx jungle
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As an example ^

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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well there best shot at it

onyx jungle
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Yea

hybrid thorn
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ok ok gotcha

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are they known to completly rework units or more of just adjust

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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ahh i see. did not know it was such a big change this time around.

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i really like the basis of how the army works and im bound to become a collector and try mutible list but for a first army i just wanted to make sure its coherent enough

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and not have someone easily be able to point out flaws and say how i should make abrupt changes.

onyx jungle
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But assuming your list you have right now I'd say these are the discount/value boxes you'd probably look at
Ionus' launch box if you can find it.
Skaventide launch box 1x maybe 2x,
ngl dominion box you could still find

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and then just add in the cool stuff

hybrid thorn
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i got skaventide to get started

onyx jungle
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Well, the thing is with SCE there is a lot of models but also a lot of discount boxes etc that are laying around in local game stores or on ebay etc.

hybrid thorn
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the reclusiants and lord vigilant where the 2 i really liked from the box so far

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have been hunting around ebay

onyx jungle
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So you may see the list you typed out here, look at MSRP and think "Oh this is a lot to buy at once" but most of it you can find for around the same or slightly higher price but in a combo box that adds 3-4 units more

hybrid thorn
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yeah just pick up the extras because in the future they could rework them into somethign im more appt to use

onyx jungle
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Also look at local gamestores that you may have locall

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Those that have a google maps location tag but a no online ordering are the ideal ones since those are most likely to still have discount boxes laying about

hybrid thorn
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im a regular at my local store. sadly they overprice stuff

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might try that by just calling a few more of like a hour away or something

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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alright ill approach it all with this logic

onyx jungle
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My local store is also overpriced, but collecting SCE makes it inherantly cheap due to them being in everything and everyone wants to get rid of the SCE halves for nearly fuck all

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So look at whats cool first, then make a list of what you own for 1k then 2k and just buy what you like as by the time its all assembled/painted rules and points change

hybrid thorn
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yeah that probably would happen.

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so either wait till after battle tombs or approach it with a little more of a collector mindset

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didnt realise how much things would change again. if you play any tcgs i kinda looked into this 4th edition release like a set rotation for tcgs

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thats the hobby im comming from.

onyx jungle
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Well, You can do both but the thing about making a specific list rn especially as someone completely new is you will overspend, and then something gets changed and poof you then wanna swap that thing out with something that "Oh shit I could've had that one already if I bought this combobox I skipped in the past"

hybrid thorn
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alright, glad i got the comparison more understood with being new to this comapnys games

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shouldnt of assumed editions where like set rotations

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at least it will keep the game fresh with these changes

onyx jungle
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Thats fair, but both being expensive hobbies due to different aspects. If you picked a different army like I think Sylvaneth, Ossiarch bonereapers, I think even seraphon its easier due to them having less models

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Yea so edition changes change all rules per faction/model and now also the base rules of the game got overhauled

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They keep their identity but will change quite a decent amount

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Also SCE just got a lot of models shoved into legends aswell

hybrid thorn
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do they at least keep like wizards as wizards and preist as preist

onyx jungle
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Yea

hybrid thorn
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i am avoiding any legend models and stuff going into legends

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ok so snagging like at least a preist and wizard for my faction is worth it since i will want 1 of each

onyx jungle
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though the amount of spells and how prayers go change more often or (idk if it happened) spellcaster become priest priest become spellcaster

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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yeah for sure i wont hold anything to ya haha, just getting the insight from someone whos been at this longer than me

onyx jungle
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The thing is more with you picking SCE that its an army where you will end up collecting a lot of models due to there being so many more kits

hybrid thorn
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the sce is not techanlly a desision i can change

onyx jungle
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like rn SCE has 38 items on their page, this will be expanded with 6 soon and even more again in the next year

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before they removed legends stuff I think it was over 65

hybrid thorn
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yeah it is alot, itotally get it

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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its my housemates army that i said id pay for and get to use sometime

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im getting skaven for myself

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i buy army, they assemble and paint being the art person

onyx jungle
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Hm, fair but then I'd say try spearhead first before buying in full into 2 armies

hybrid thorn
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its a hobby for both of us and they want sce

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have, and also play alot of games on table top of 2k armys

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this game is good, im already in it for sure even tho im new

onyx jungle
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as Stormcast and skaven both have another spearhead aswell so that offers some variance, also you do not need 2k to play a game

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I know my LGS 1k is more common than 2k

hybrid thorn
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2k is what everyone i know plays overhere

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thats why im trying to get that 2k list together

onyx jungle
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Hm, thats fair

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But I'd discuss it with your roommate what they'd prefer for a 2k list and just build it up over time

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Because you could just go throw a fuck ton of dragons on the table boom 2k points or a list with way more units.

hybrid thorn
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i wouldn't approach it that way, i want to see whats competitively viable because of how the people i know play

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thats kinda the feeler ive been looking for. kinda trying to find what other stormcast players and thinking is good and bad.

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not meta chaseing but to find insperation

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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thats good, i like a game where skill matters more than parts

onyx jungle
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But looking at your list, Ithink most of it looks decent to get to start and vigilors come in boxes of 10 so you could always replace the gryph hounds at first and if you really wanna try em out get em later as they are cheap asf

hybrid thorn
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just didnt wana throw together a list so bad i was bound to fail.

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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lol are they really that bad?

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thats what one of closer friends who plays at the shop plays. the one really getting me into it

onyx jungle
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from what I head from sylvaneth player at my LGS "Wtf to play my army I need to ignore my army shit and just play monster mash"

hybrid thorn
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dam well i guess thats one that id stay away from since i assume they will be doing bigger changes to that faction in the rules updates

onyx jungle
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Well, rules get erratas and models point increase/decreases

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but rule changes happen at battletomes

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which are anywhere in the 3 year lifespan of the game

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So there will be an army, that will get their battletome 4 months before AOS 5e.

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And knowing how game designers usually with large reworks like taking their sweet time with difficult ones

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sylvaneth may be waiting a while.

onyx jungle
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Prosecutors, Liberators, reclusians, terminos

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Knight questor

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All the skaventide stuff

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Then vigilors are a good one to add into there, then Ionus is a nice model in general to own (idk how he plays) but annihilators are gonna be good to own and then just mix some extras like you did to start with

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and just play around with 1k/1.5k to learn what models you like before slamming into fullscale 2k battles and then after that just mix and match what you enjoy

hybrid thorn
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sorry have to answer a phone call

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had to, off now

onyx jungle
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(also if your sylvaneth playing friend is playing the most viable option of monster mash get the spearhead box with yndstra That cancels so much monster shenanigans.

hybrid thorn
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can you describe the monster shenanigans you talking about?

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dont think i fully understand

onyx jungle
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Depends on the monster, but she flies around and against anyone with monster keyword has 4 attacks, H2 W2 R3 D3

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So slams really hard against them.

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she just hits stupid hard against them

hybrid thorn
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ohh ok so you mean monseter mash as in like countering them

onyx jungle
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Yea

hybrid thorn
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not like you run alot of them

onyx jungle
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Both

hybrid thorn
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lol ok both things

onyx jungle
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For you you counter their usage of a lot of treelord/belthanos/alarielle etc

hybrid thorn
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gotcha, well thank you very much for all this info

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deffitnley more about how i view the game because viewing as a card game with set rotations is incorrect

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i will def be in chat probabaly alot asking for help or seeing what people are playing for insperation

onyx jungle
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No problem, but everything looks quite decent to buy into (except gryph hounds) and experiment with just make sure you buy models in their respective discount boxes as it will save you a lot in the longer run lol

hybrid thorn
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think 2nd hand ebay is safe?

onyx jungle
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Yea

hybrid thorn
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there alot less, didnt know if like in alot of peoples experience they show up broken or anything

onyx jungle
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Though just buy some good paint stripping material that works on plastic because people are horrible lol

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I mean, broken depends on how bad it is but is usually fixable

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I bought a lord celestant on stardrake for 50 euros instead of 140MSRP of 2nd hand

hybrid thorn
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probabalyshould get box sets tho so i can change out the weapons if needed in the future

onyx jungle
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but look at R/miniswap too

hybrid thorn
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like with annihalators

onyx jungle
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The annihalators of spearhead box set are only shielded oens

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ones

hybrid thorn
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right now just need hammers BUT in the fuTuRe i might need shields

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oh dam

onyx jungle
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Yea, that is the bummer discount set.

hybrid thorn
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but the box you buy of them come as both i belive

onyx jungle
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Yea

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That box they do

hybrid thorn
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hmm ok

onyx jungle
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if you can find it the battleforce box of SCE that one has 1 set of em in there of the normal ones + a lot of good models

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If not oh well ya tried lol

hybrid thorn
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belive i looked around a week ago and found nothing that was not actually more expensive than if they where seperated

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hmm question about skaven box set you might know then

onyx jungle
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hm?

hybrid thorn
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theres a skaven pestilens box set that comes with the corruptor

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now i know that the normal box it can be built as any

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do you know if you can do the same from the box set?

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i goggled around a bit and couldnt find anything

onyx jungle
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Is the box set a holiday box?

hybrid thorn
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i belive so

onyx jungle
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Then usually yea

hybrid thorn
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ok so holiday boxes normally come with all the changes

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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just not the spearhead because your buying a fixed army pretty much

onyx jungle
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Sometimes not all the instructions are there

hybrid thorn
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like built for a character

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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oh wtf

onyx jungle
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they got dominion sprues

hybrid thorn
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well thats strange

onyx jungle
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Nah its the same as that rn in skaventide box some things are becoming intro sets

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and the bigger sprue thats in there is probably gonna be the next spearhead with some infantry unit

hybrid thorn
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sprue?

onyx jungle
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So next SCE spearhead that gets rules will be Terminos, reclusians, Questor and some infantry

onyx jungle
hybrid thorn
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oh ok

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interesting

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alright ive must of held you up for awhile but its been great help

onyx jungle
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Nah its fine

hybrid thorn
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thanks very much man

wild igloo
hybrid thorn
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Oh that's a really good recomendation, I probabaly should swap stuff around and have the annihalators in that Regiment then

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What is the rule for buffing stuff in your generals Regiment?

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Sigmar (1950 points)

ARMY

Grand Alliance Order
Stormcast Eternals
Sentinels of the Bleak Citadels
2000 Points Limit
Drops: 4

Prayer Lore - Prayers of the Stormhosts

Regiments
General's Regiment
Ionus Cryptborn, Warden of Lost Souls (420)
• General
Annihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers (220)
Annihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers (220)
Regiment 1
Lord-Vigilant on Gryph-Stalker (210)
• Shock and Awe
• Null Pendant
Reclusians (300)
• Reinforced
Regiment 2
Gardus Steel Soul (200)
Knight-Vexillor (120)
Regiment 3
Knight-Arcanum (120)
Vigilors (140)

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