The Jammer

[mighty gate]

can't wait for 50 immediate responses as to why this is an incredibly shitty idea that would ruin the entirety of tf2c forever

that's the default item image btw

idk what it would look like

[cosmic bear]

this doesn't sound fun

[neon tide]

this is pretty op gng

[queen drum]

what

is the building damage resistance for the spy only or for everyone else

[neon tide]

when applied

im pretty sure its for everyone

if not for the spy

op

asf

[mighty gate]

everyone

[cosmic bear]

the building damage resistance doesn't really matter because having to do 8 melee hits is way too much

[neon tide]

id say bump it down to 5-3

but 4 seems good

[austere crescent]

This would make spy less effective but more annoying

[gaunt belfry]

so is this just meant to be a more annoying version of the red tape recording which doesnt do anything besides making the building not work (like the sapper already does)

and 8 hits with a damage penalty for his team? ????

[wheat cliff]

I think a sapper that disables a sentry for x amount of time and can't be destroyed is fine.

[gentle tundra]

This would be so extremely annoying. Also this could even save a sentry with that huge dmg resist

The utter limit is 4 hits i'd say

Anythibg further is an absolute pain in the arse

[wheat cliff]

All of the blue and red text is unnecessary. I stand with my last opinion. Any argument about this being too annoying ignores the fact that spy is already annoying. As an engineer player I would actually prefer if sappers only gave a downtime to buildings instead of disabling and destroying them.

Either way I don't think it's necessary to add many sidegrades. I'm curious if the devs are into making base changes

[fiery veldt]

No ty

[gaunt belfry]

the problem is that this is essentially just the stock sapper but worse in every possible way

[alpine sentinel]

I think a sapper that does no damage but simply disables buildings for a long time does have potential
However, your team may not like that you're giving the building double health. And Engineers may not like having to wrench their buildings 8 times.
Can you imagine having to go around unjamming your Sentry, Dispenser, and 2 Jump Pads?
It'd probably be good to give this a limited duration.
I like the disguise loss on use, good downside idea for a particularly disruptive sapper slot item

[gaunt belfry]

what does "disabling a building for a long time" really accomplish that "disabling a building and dealing damage to it over time" doesn't

[alpine sentinel]

it would need another different advantage yes

[mighty gate]

would it be better if it just disabled the sentry for 20 seconds and the engineer cant do anything about it

[mighty gate]

Actually i originally gave it a cooldown and i think i should bring that back

[alpine sentinel]

considering 8 wrench hits take about 6s that's probably closer to what I'd pick as starting point
I see Cow Mangler altfire disables for 4s

[mighty gate]

how about this

[gaunt belfry]

thats kinda worse?

[mighty gate]

shit

[gaunt belfry]

making it completely unremovable for the enemy engi is strange to say the least

[gentle tundra]

Yea there is basically no counterplay and basically is free pushing power

[frozen lake]

this would be a great idea if Engineer is actually broken in TF2C

[remote thunder]

how about instead

sentry takes 30% less damage from attacks

engi is not notifed of the sapped sentry

[frozen lake]

sneaky sapper hmm

[remote thunder]

the sapper model is invis (only the sentry is looking down which is how you tell it is sapped)

the sapper does no damage

and the sentry just ddoesnt work

[frozen lake]

this would spell the end of all teleporter I'm afraid

[remote thunder]

then make sapper model come back

plus a smart engineer would see that the teleporter isnt working

and game knowledge would tell him its sapped by this

[frozen lake]

I know this is a great parity changes, but the new sapper will still make the gameplay worse for engineer for no apparent reason

[remote thunder]

it would make team pushes easier which is the whole point of this weapon

since the engineer would normally not check for the sentry unless its damaged or sapped

this doesnt notify the engi when its sapped, and if your team plays right the engi unless he's nesting wouldn't care

[gentle tundra]

Stealth sappers are op against newbies and quite literally unusable against any moderately good engie

[remote thunder]

this stat could aid the engineer as well to be fair

[frozen lake]

spawncamping tele will become worse though

this would make badwater non-last point awful

like full stop

[remote thunder]

so use a different sapper

nobody plays spy anyways

besides like me and 12 tf2c players

[frozen lake]

I was referring to engineer

Think about the other side of this interaction, you're basically dealing with an invisible threat unless you check the teleporter for the 999th times

[wheat cliff]

better coordinated pushes, which fair enough (more like uncoordinated because it's more likely to happen by happenstance)

[queen drum]

okay but explain to the class how is disabling a building for a long period of time, better than disabling a building, destroying it, and setting the engineer back on metal and building progress

[wheat cliff]

it's easy to sap a building, not to destroy it with a sapper

[frozen lake]

why do l*ague player stun instead of just killing? are they stupid?

by stunning engineer's sentry for an extended period of time, you can make his life miserable instantly with minimal effort

sentry? more like wall!?

[gaunt belfry]

yeah but that makes like zero sense

a sapper already stuns it, deals damage, and in turn makes the engi waste more metal/time putting it back to full health

all this does is go way too far into the spys favour and basically give the engineer no counter play besides hitting it 2x as much

[remote thunder]

we could make the sapper have limited uses like ammo?

[frozen lake]

this is just evil