The sequel to Custom Weapons...

[glossy socket]

Custom Classes. Seems like the obvious next step, but I don't know if that's within the vision of the TF2C team.

I also fear that this will incentivize server owners to setup a shitton of custom player models like how they're already doing it with custom weapons; but at the same time, I wanna dream..

[glossy socket]

I also fear that this will incentivize server owners to setup a shitton of custom player models like how they're already doing it with custom weapons
But maybe workshop will address this?

[sinful dome]

ffinally madcap

https://klipy.com/gifs/bed-time-45

[left heron]

Deathmatch merc back in tf2c real

[dry jacinth]

Honestly having a module for custom classes would defenitely help lots

[half forum]

I mean if a server has custom classes i dont give a shit abt ill just not play on them, see no reason not to add at least a tiny bit of support

[hollow jacinth]

People unfamiliar with tf2c already think its tf2 but with custom weapons from youtube shorts rather than what it actually is, letting people just add more playable classes muddies the waters further and would give the game sourcemod vscript slop vibes rather than being og esque tf2 experience

Tf2 but with custom weapons from youtube shorts and playable fempyro, mimi sentries or whatever other deviant art shittos came up over the years

I think custom weapons are fine, for now especially, since people havent gotten good grasp at implementing/translating old custom weapons to new version of the game yet so a lot of potential behind that (playing around with new weapon live tf2 attributes for example) hasnt been utilised properly yet

[sinful dome]

eh thats the problem of youtube and stuff like that not really tf2c

i wouldn't limit ppl bcs of that

[hollow jacinth]

Still i think id prefer if the project just focused on being a tf2 game more than a hub for people to make their own micro source mods

I imagine devs have limited amount of energy and time to spend on the game in their free time so I think itd be better to focus that on new content curated for their vision for what the game should be rather than outsourcing it to community valve style lol

[cyan egret]

Wouldn't mind this tbh

Would be fun to have in custom community servers

[hollow jacinth]

I think part of tf2cs appeal is strong focus on what makes tf2 fundamentally fun and expanding upon it, its nice we get freedom to experiment with stuff devs figured out while working on the game already but yknow, its nice to see most servers be based in vanilla tf2 still instead of prophunt, cp orange and slenderfortress lol

[sinful dome]

hey those are also fun

[dry jacinth]

This is just unprofessionalism from youtubers by not clarifying its custom stuff

Nowadays it has gotten better after asking them

[cyan egret]

Ye

[dry jacinth]

Popular youtubers like Panacek and Joe have been mentioning in their videos it's custom stuff

And people seem to understand better

Meanwhile others like Zhain never mention this and a lot of people get confused

So yes it's entirely up to youtubers commenting on custom stuff being custom stuff

[dry jacinth]

I disagree since custom weapons is literally what kept this mod alive

During the era VALVe shut down the downloads for it

[hollow jacinth]

Well thats nice

But im not sure if its relevant now

Im not beefing with existence of custom weapons, moreso just giving people ability to add in custom classes with new models because i dont trust people with that lol

Would be quite a leap from, there being no hats to highlight tf2s art direction more to there being server with fnaf custom classes lol

I think its too gmod esque, not reslly fit for this type of mod lol

[dry jacinth]

...

People will get bored of the vanilla stuff until devs release stuff again

It's a cycle that custom weapons help making the dry moments less dry

[hollow jacinth]

Sure

[dry jacinth]

Don't join those, that's why the verified system exists awa

[hollow jacinth]

Just wasnt sure what your point was or how it applied to what i was talking about but i get you

Im not anti custom weapons lol

I think it fits tf2

[naive dome]

Downloads of what exactly?

[glossy socket]

I hate sourcemod vscript slop as much as you do, but this isn't live TF2. People aren't incentivized to capitalize on Casual mode for the sake of squeezing some cents outta Valve.

This is Eminoma; I believe they have the potential to put in the necessary efforts to better inform (new and old alike) players about the kind of servers they're playing on.

Here's something I had suggested for instance: #server-hosts-archive message.

[dry jacinth]

I'd say devs should give more tools for custom stuff

Is what I'm saying

[glossy socket]

Custom Classes would be incredibly useful for custom gamemode purpose

Freak Fortress 2, Deathmatch, you name it

[dry jacinth]

TF2C

[naive dome]

I think if vscript gets expanded to SourceMod level it will become 10x better

[naive dome]

Ohhh

[naive dome]

And I'm praying for it

[glossy socket]

I'm not I understood that sentence, but SourceMod is already pretty much limitless (plugins somewhat, but extensions for sure). And you can already make use of VScript functions in SourceMod - though you gotta write your own logic for it

[glossy socket]

I did that for one to add sm_addattr command on TF2 Classified

[naive dome]

But here is the one thing you can't do

Menus

And a lot of stuff

[glossy socket]

Yeah but VScript or SourceMod it doesn't matter

It has to be made customizable by the game at all

[hollow jacinth]

Good suggestion

[glossy socket]

If VScript can do it, SourceMod can too

[wheat topaz]

would help with some fancy stuff

like juggernaut powerups

[naive dome]

I mean

You can port over SM plugins to vscript if vscript was the same as SM

[hollow jacinth]

I think what matters to me most is there being balance still to the vanilla tf2 experience and the gimmicky community stuff since the live tf2 community server have been dominated by slop for so long lol

[glossy socket]

For that we'd have to reach Gmod-level of modding

[naive dome]

Imagine

[glossy socket]

But I don't think it'll be necessary considering that SourceMod is already an option

• azzy submitted gamedata for it

It makes sense to piggyback off an established modding ecosystem

[naive dome]

But it's painful to set up

[glossy socket]

No?

[wheat topaz]

tf2c with lua coding 😳

nah nah, i jest.
lest?

[glossy socket]

Dude all it takes is installing a dedicated server, and drag'n'dropping metamod & sourcemod files into your game directory

lol

[naive dome]

I did that lol

It didn't work

[glossy socket]

What went wrong exactly

[naive dome]

It just didn't work I tried

[glossy socket]

I downloaded the latest versions and drag'n'dropped them into tf2classified and everything works like a charm

[naive dome]

Like in tf2 nothing happened

[glossy socket]

Don't do it on a listen server tho

Or else you'd have to use -insecure

[naive dome]

Where?

Do I have to pay for a dedicated server?

[glossy socket]

Listen server = server you host by clicking "Create a Server" in the game menu

[naive dome]

Or something

[glossy socket]

Not necessary. https://windowsgsm.com/

Actually I should see if I could make a TF2 Classified addon for it

[naive dome]

The reason I used vscript is to port over other plugins but some don't work

Some use menus some use stuff that vscript doesn't have etc

[tropic quiver]

tf2c dedicated server is an application that's separate from tf2c, whose sole purpose is to run a tf2c server

usually people run it on dedicated machines they pay specifically to run their tf2c servers (that way, their servers can be up 24h/24) (hence people think it costs money), but there's nothing stopping you from running the dedicated server on your own machines or computers for free

[naive dome]

Unbelievable

@glossy socket do me a favour actually

[glossy socket]

Sup

[naive dome]

Could you like

Port over the berobin plugin

[glossy socket]

Let's move this to #modding-discussion

[naive dome]

But is there a website to it?

[tropic quiver]

generic source dedicated server instructions https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Dedicated_Server

there's a "tf2c dedicated server" app on steam so that's the thing you need to install i think (use its appid 3557020) https://steamdb.info/app/3557020/

[molten bolt]

"nothing stopping you" apart from your public ip being sent over and that usually giving people the opportunity to ddos your network or roughly know your location

[tropic quiver]

you can enable steam networking on the server to mask its ip in case you're unable to port forward

[molten bolt]

[coral star]

sorry for the ping but this didnt help with ddossing in my case, they would send insane amounts of download data to my pc which would only stop after I turned the server off, even with a different public ip and SDR enabled

I just stopped gave up and stopped hosting