the i-need bag

[humble hearth]

its a medic gun that allows the medic to overheal himself whilst healing someone else
downside is the overheal is slower and the uber drains faster

(coundlnt find a better image to show what it is)

[finite vessel]

shittier medigun for survivability is just dumb

[humble hearth]

then what should be buffed?

[finite vessel]

idk

but giving medics just free self heal is just too much

and nerfing it also doesn't help bc you then end up with an uber so bad that it's not even worth using

i'd just say you can't give him extremely good survivability at the cost of making your medigun worse

[scarlet prairie]

honestly my complaint is

what do the upsides and downsides have to do with the gun itself

[humble hearth]

i coundlt find a better medic beam weapon so yeah

[scarlet prairie]

actually wait

i misread it. whoops

this is a medigun replacement and not a syringe gun replacement?

[humble hearth]

yeah

i dont take time into image finding

[scarlet prairie]

oh, then

ehh

[humble hearth]

what if it can take enemies hp when u beam them?

[scarlet prairie]

i don't think you can make a reverse-heal medigun work

[humble hearth]

but its a possiblility

i dont know of the source engine can do that

[scarlet prairie]

not like that

i mean like, mechanically

[humble hearth]

maybe when the medic beams a red/blu they get hp but the one getting beamed loses it by bleeding affect?

[finite vessel]

offense mediguns WILL.NEVER.WORK.

it's not possible to make it fun/good to use,fight or have as a teammate

[humble hearth]

dude its a suggestion

why not make ur own if your so knowing of

how the game works

[finite vessel]

what under "will never work" didn't you understand

there isn't really anything you can do to fix the issues

[humble hearth]

then what the hell do you want?

nothing?

[finite vessel]

i am just telling you that that type of concept just doesn't work.

[young wren]

im not a fan of the idea of nerfing ur valuable healing and uber potential in exchange for being punished less for messing up by having more health, sounds like a crutch weapon to me

plus its too similar to the stock medigun i think, especially compared to the kritz and rejuv this is basically a stat swap

[half tundra]

To this guy everything is antifun lmao, he should go play checkers and stick to that. I think it's fine to explore novel weapon ideas

For example, the custom weapons server is a lot of fun and it might have explored this concept already, I'm not sure. A more offensive medic is fine as long as there are tradeoffs. As for the suggestion itself, it all depends on the numbers

[finite vessel]

my guy you think minelayer takes skill and constantly put words into our mouthes

[humble hearth]

dude ur words are "not balaced=bad"

[finite vessel]

literally where

[humble hearth]

everywhere

[finite vessel]

the problems with a medigun that can damage enemies doesn't come from ballance

[scarlet prairie]

i mean.. if it's not balanced that is pretty bad?

[humble hearth]

oh sorry i meant "balenced=bad" but why not make your own

if you know the ins and outs

[finite vessel]

i literally told you bc that concept just doesn't work

it has nothing to do with balance

1. it is literally aimbot (unfun to fight and use)
2. teammate medics going for kills -> getting themselves killed and not healing teammates
3. makes the primary slot completely redundant

and there is more that i am not going into further

[humble hearth]

dude its a concept

it can be altered to fit medics gamestyle of support

[finite vessel]

ok then how do you fix medics being overly agressive with it and getting themselves killed

and making the primary completely irrelevant

[humble hearth]

make them do one damge to enemies with the beam

ig

[finite vessel]

there is your answer it doesn't work

[humble hearth]

what answer!?

tf do you want

[scarlet prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gt-live-matthew-patrick-mat-pat-done-gif-10137652

[finite vessel]

i just wanted to tell you since it is a very common concept and we really don't need more or people to waste their time on it

[humble hearth]

wdym

[mental pelican]

why not I.N.B

[mental pelican]

I need a T-bag?

[drowsy sundial]

Personally I don't think it's a bad idea, maybe add a couple more debuffs and I would personally consider it to be well-balanced

[young wren]

balanced maybe but itd still be kinda boring i say,

too close to stock it feels more like a live tf2 sidegrade

[brisk whale]

Yeah this doesnt sound like anything interesting

[strange kraken]

Being honest though you can come off as overly harsh and dismissive to people's ideas, often as the first person to respond as well.

Rarely are your points wrong but just tonally, something to consider

[finite vessel]

Ok kinda fair but you can't tell me people don't tend to overreact a tad bit

[strange kraken]

Yeah not denying that

[half tundra]

His points are wrong, and he's also got a bad attitude . Very spoiled, can't handle contrasting POVs or ideas

[finite vessel]

Your pov is minelayer requires more skill than pyro, soldier and heavy.
You actually can't be serious

There are exactly 0 people that agree with you

Scorch shot spam requires more effort than that

[brisk whale]

Just because he's wrong doesn't mean you're not being a dick

[wheat sable]

A weapon idea I had a while ago that was somewhat similar,

It was basically a shotgun that used shrapnel from small mediquips, which, although it did a lot of damage, only had one bullet in the barrel (similar to the Cyclops), but as a disadvantage, it was friendly fire

The name are the euthanasia

[mental pelican]

looks like a tommy gun

[mental pelican]

maybe could be better if its syringe gun that is related to the charge meter? like the uber and vita-saw?

the model is good

but the ideology of the idea is 0