The DCD (Donation after Circulatory Death)

[ashen cobalt]

A Medic primary where he uses spare human hearts from his meet the team video as bombardments.

• M1 throws a human heart, which explodes after a prolonged fuse. Hearts that directly hit an enemy deal minimal damage without slow.

• Hearts are bouncy enough to ricochet around corners and potentially bounce into multiple players.

• Holding M1 lets you cook the fuse until detonation

~~ -15% ubercharge per heart thrown ~~

– 8 second recharge time

-10% ubercharge rate

–visible cosmetic showing that the DCD is equipped (likely a yellow biowaste or a white/team colored sharps container)

This was an idea I've had for awhile now, offering the medic some additional effectiveness at range at the cost of being more vulnerable to getting caught off guard at closer ranges. I always thought a grenade would fit perfectly with medic's vibe of weapons that are hard to use in direct combat but are still effective in weirder situations.

It also would be hysterical of there was a 1/1000 chance of throwing a screaming spy head instead of a heart that functions the exact same as a normal heart-bomb.

[lone vigil]

what the fuck

[ashen cobalt]

?

[lone vigil]

is this supposed to be a shittier dynamite pack for medic

[ashen cobalt]

not really, it's a gernade/throwable yeah but it's got other stats going for it.

the idea was youd be able to throw one out in-between heals to either pressure a sniper or aid in securing kills through assists. (With the potential as a risky getaway tool via a explosive jump or risky damage tool by cooking the gernade until it explodes right infront of you)

The latter two would be harder to pull off obvs because of the setup time required, but if you're proactive enough I think it could be pulled off

[lone vigil]

so this just encourages playing medic poorly by putting yourself into risk for no reward

and wasting time by not healing players and throwing uber away to mildly inconvenience the enemy

[ashen cobalt]

More the opposite. It rewards players who have good positioning by letting them have more options while in that good position. Once you put yourself at risk you're taking on greater risk.

[ashen cobalt]

This would be like less than a second of healing lost unless you're cooking every heart you throw out until it explodes at closer ranges

the uber is very harsh, but given I'm pitching a medic weapon with a longer effective range and how others feel about simular concepts (like the crossbow), I thought it'd be best to overcorrect. Really, you probably could just give it a cooldown and keep the ubercharge rate penalty

[lone vigil]

ricochets sound like a funny idea except that you can't spam this out without getting heavily punished for missing, so you either need like a 100% certainty to waste 15%+ of your uber (which would be like 6.6 seconds of healing + whatever the amount of time you wasted cooking the fuse), and even if you hit it, there's a very big chance that it would not do anything meaningful anyway

[ashen cobalt]

nah continue ur thought I think i interrupted

[lone vigil]

why would you attack a sniper as the medic class considering that he can just pop your head off with 0 effort? and that's not even considering that the grenade probably won't even reach the guy because long range, and if it does, the chip damage it would deal would not make a difference

and if you're in the range to "assist your teammates to secure kills", why not just... heal them so that they are less likely to die?
and then you would waste more time cooking the fuse to hit anyone in that close range

[ashen cobalt]

I do think the ricochet would be harder to capitalize on, but I feel like that 100% certainty would be alot more achievable compared to something like the coilgun because of the splash of the actual detonation.

[ashen cobalt]

It's another situational thing where if you're in the right place I can see it being really good to dissuade or force opposing snipers to reposition. Obviously, its not going to always be effective or reliable as something like a true counter, but thats sort of the point. It's just a situational benefit that could come in handy, very simular to what the flaregun can do to snipers.

[ashen cobalt]

The range of your medigun and the range of the gernade is different enough where you could synch it up (throwing a gernade before getting into healing range of your target). You also force enemies to limit their movement options by throwing it.

Again, Im coming from the prospective that you wouldn't really cook it at all unless you really needed to get out of a jam. Just to make it slightly better than completely hopeless when ambushed.

I also want to clarify that im imagining the actual detonation dealing solid damage. The minimal damage part was just for direct hits from the projectile itself.

[ashen cobalt]

There's also the fact that you may be healing a class that is just not equipped with any kind of indirect fire like a heavy. Sort of like how you can cover the weakness of a soldier or demo to being rushed down with your syringe gun, you can offer indirect fire to a heavy or pyro, pressuring enemies into their line of fire.

sorry im done now lol

[wanton yoke]

seriously???????
costs 15% uber

you only make a stat like that if you are borderline crazy

[ashen cobalt]

#1456725269695172709 message

I'm with you lol

actually I can just change it now

[wanton yoke]

ugh thats better but still bad

you can't give medic a bad self defense weapon and then reduce his uber for it

[ashen cobalt]

I honestly was expecting the opposite reaction because of the hate twords all crossbow related things, and this is effectively taking a shot at the offensive niche the crossbow held

[wanton yoke]

offensive weapons for medic don't work unless your support part benefits from it

and this punishes your support (worse uber rate) for it

[ashen cobalt]

I meant offensive as In like, pressuring snipers and dealing a bit of damage from afar, not offensive as in like battle medic

[ashen cobalt]

what about the weapon itself, ignoring the uberloss?

[wanton yoke]

yea i got that
the additional dmg is not going to be anything major and if anything puts you or the patient in danger

[ashen cobalt]

the patient?

[wanton yoke]

person you are healing

[ashen cobalt]

oh because you could be trying to cook the nade and not be healing

[wanton yoke]

yea EXACTLY

you aren't healing the patient at that time

putting yourself and/or him in danger

also i said patient because thats how it's often referred

[ashen cobalt]

maybe i shouldn't have put the cooking stat at all. I just had that so instead of it being a 100% lose rate when you get ambushed by a spy or scout its like 90%

[ashen cobalt]

ik what patient meant it just took me a sec how it would hurt

[wanton yoke]

what is it supposed to one shot a light class or what

you make cooking it such a huge thing

[ashen cobalt]

Not really unless in very specific circumstances it think. maybe if it they were right on the heart as it exploded + the impact it could

I was imagining the actual explosive dealing 90-110 if they were right on the bomb (so in reality the splash would be like 30-60)

[ashen cobalt]

I was just trying to describe the mechanic

Theres no other weapon that lets you cook a fuse in classix

[wanton yoke]

i mean yea it often makes you very vulnerable

demo at least already has trouble in close encounters so the loose canon doesn't really matter
especially with it's knockback and potentially killing that light class instantly

compared to stock

medic doesn't really need sth that isn't a self defense weapon as i see it

[ashen cobalt]

this is going to be on a medic though, so I think the cooking plays into that whole clunkiness that weakens hus effectiveness in direct fights like his other primary shares (syringe gun)

😭 I cant believe this is doing worse than my shitpost one

[wanton yoke]

idk i'd say the syringe gun is perfectly cut out for direct fights

as it performs like shit in anything that isn't self defense

[ashen cobalt]

It doesn't do well in direct fights. The projectile speed effectively gives this weapon a lite rev where you dont start dealing damage until well after firing. Not to mention how punishing missing is with the fact that it has a high firing rate

[ashen cobalt]

funnily enough, the syringe gun actually makes for a great ambush weapon because of this, since you can prefire your syringes and have them all synch up in one stream

the self defense only applies if you're backing up (though most of the time strafing is usually better for most ambushers)

[wanton yoke]

could just be me being much more adjusted to the syringe gun compared to others

so in other words skill issue

people will be chasing after you so the slow spray of projectiles is very helpful for making them back off

or tank through it which can easily lead to a kill if you are good enough with it

[ashen cobalt]

Oh I'm pretty good with the syringe gun at this point, It's honestly one of my favorite changes the mod makes. You are just very much at a disadvantage when you are ambushed unless its a really dumb scout that starts engaging you at mid-range

cause at that point the scout gave you time to pull out your gun and start shooting syringes before he can start dealing damage above 50

[placid fiber]

I think cooldown based throwables are a good fit for Medic's primary slot, and making them unreliable in direct combat would make a lot of sense