hot ember
Engineer PDA: Bear Traps
-It replaces a sentry with a bear trap
+You get 5 Bear traps
+They deal 80% damage of enemy curent health when steped on
+Explode when active, dealing 50 damage around the trap.
+When distroyed they also explode.
+15% more hp.
+50% less build time.
+Cannot be sapped.
-Replaces your sentry.
-Cannot upgrade
-"if my team can't defend the point, then i will" 
Tell me what should i rework on this, what should i buff and nerf
autumn snow
yeah this is very convoluted the way it is right now
It sort of reminds me of Junkrat ?
its like a more convoluted junkrat ability
hot ember
There
hot ember
yeah this is very convoluted the way it is right now
So you gotta be carfull around engis like these, make sure you take the besr traps too, they are the same size as teleporters, and if engi wants to build them again, they would be stuck in a build animation, so they are not so broken
quiet bone
theres also the fact it replaces ur teleporters which is likely not worth it
autumn snow
Yeah
on one side its not worth to take
because you are sacrificing team cooperation and your own mobility
and on the other its too much
even now
7 seconds of bleed
50% slow
50% attack speed
more bleed for 3 seconds and -30% speed
a 50% health reduction
@hot ember this just isn't a TF2 item
it isn't built like a TF2 item
its closer to an overcomplicated generic overwatch hero shooter clone ability
because it has to be 'different' from tf2 and overwatch
hot ember
Really? I never knew
autumn snow
When did you pick up tf2 ?
hot ember
I guess i will think to make it less compleceted
autumn snow
its not exactly about being too complicated
because its really not complicated
it just does too much at once
its both useless and overpowered
because teleporters are that much better
but it also is basically an instant death
for anyone that steps into it
and at the same time
has extra mechanics for no reason
take a look at
The dragon's fury for pyro
hot ember
Yeah?
autumn snow
A single-shot flamethrower that launches a fast moving projectile that briefly ignites enemies.
Deals 3x damage to burning players.
Bonus damage on direct hit
+50% reload duration on hit.
-50% reload duration on Alt-Fire.
No random critical hits.
this is a weapon that is very different from stock
but if we remove things that are identical to stock ?
and if we simplify the wording ?
hot ember
I know, i just don't want to make bear traps intsa kill, or should i?
autumn snow
fuck no
hot ember
That's what im saying
autumn snow
if the design of a weapon requires it to be overcomplicated
or 'bloated'
or downright op
its not a good idea in the first place
hot ember
Wait, i think i can think of something
autumn snow
you have to consider greatly
what you are replacing
the stock flamethrower is a close range continous damage weapon that rewards tracking
the dragon's fury is a burst damage weapon with medium range and rewards precise aiming
hot ember
It would be a more health reducing kinda stuff, but not insta kill, so you can still escape
You can still distroy them, and engineer is stuck in a build animation while doing so, so i wanna balance it for both sides, this build is more defencive, you know
hot ember
Like he is setting down a bear trap
autumn snow
why do you want to compete with the teleporter ?
hot ember
I mean, do you want me to replace it with santry or dispancer? Like...
autumn snow
you are definitely not outcompeting the dispenser but the sentry gun is a possibility
but you have to really think it through
and not just slap on effects
hot ember
I was thinking, but santry, hmmmm... Im trying to please the people here with a bear traps, but do i replace the santry or teleporter, if santry, engenier would have more building to do then anything, and everyone can shoot down the traps, so you can't just place them reclesly
autumn snow
also you don't really "get" buildings in tf2
you just have a cap on how many you can build of a specific building
which is mostly 1
but teleporters and jump pads cap at 2
hot ember
Yeah, but bear traps are defrent, and i get it the buildings, im just trying somthing new, you know
What do you think now?
quiet bone
are these supposed to be more offense or defense oriented?
hot ember
Hmmm, can be both, depending how you play them
quiet bone
but are they more effective when defending or when attacking?
hot ember
My friend said he would use them around corners and chock points, to punish rekless scouts and be aware where enemy team is
quiet bone
sentries already do that tho,
and a static trap on the ground would probably be easy to notice and destroy
hot ember
Yeah, but is defrent in is way
Yeah, but it really makes the enemy more couses and takes thier time, engineer can use his shotgun to trap them more in tight halls, rooms, and cornors
quiet bone
how easy would the traps be to spot
weak dagger
wouldnt it just be easier to pick demoman and use the mine layer
we already have a thing that hurts to step on
weak dagger
i want a throwable sapper sorta like how spy slides it under the sapper in meet the spy
weak dagger
Who uses jump pads?
i keep blowing them up so i guess a bunch of people
high mulch