#Bloodpump [Rebalanced]

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versed saffron
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Bloodpump is a secondary weapon for the Medic, a medigun made of a jar and a vacuum. It's main gimmick is to suck blood from enemies (-25% ray distance when attached to an enemy, of course) instead of ordinary "infinite" healing. Has 150% faster healing rate, overheal cap is buffed to a whopping 450%. When attached a ray on the enemy, takes 20 health points per second, each health point taken from the enemy is filling the blood storage. You can store up to 1000 health points at once! (good luck getting so many) However, here's the catch: you can't give ANY overheal unless ubered. Overheal drains 2 times faster.
You HAVE to hold left click when used on an enemy even if you have auto-heal on.
Your cursor must aim at the enemy. Otherwise, ray disconnects.

Uber
Can only be used when 100%.
Charges only when sucking blood from enemies. Getting to 300 hp in blood storage gives you full uber.
On use, quickly drains all the percentage in just 2 seconds.
When used on the enemy, increases the damage to 130 per second (again, this is just for 2 seconds!), meaning that your fellow scout AND a heavy will probably die miserably.
When used on a teammate, injects all health points into them, including the overheal! If the teammate is fully overhealed and can't go any further, stops the ubercharge and blood drain, keeping them for later.
When used alone, heals you in the same fashion it would be with your teammate.

This exists mainly for battle medics, who still want to prioritize survivability over krits yet kill like usual.
Steal blood, give it to your team, charge uber, make a chad with 1450 hp, steal blood again.

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radiant zephyr
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this is an interesting idea

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idk how effective it would be tho

proven egret
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very cool idea, would love to see this actually being played with to see how it works in practice

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stats n stuff could be changed but its pretty neat

clever torrent
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Having someone be at 1k health for a long time is going to be frustrating. And this medigun aint gonna get any uber if you need to get into melee range of your enemy as medic

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Not having uber unless you abandon your team as the healer to go in and fight risking your life to an extreme degree is also pretty bad

clever torrent
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And 200% faster heal rate
ARE YOU NUTS?

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Thats 72hp/s and 214hp/s when out of combat

river nova
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hochi mama

clever torrent
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Soldier and demo can't even kill a heavy anymore

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Reloading takes too much time for them to kill him

river nova
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the "sucking health out of enemies for use with teammates" sounds cool though

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i like that

clever torrent
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Sounds cool but you just end up with a less consistent medic thats gonna be dead more often

river nova
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i think it'd be fine if it was integrated into a primary

desert silo
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-75% medigun range. At this point it might as well be a melee.

stoic brook
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To get uber you need to be in melee range of an enemy, with a weapon that does 10 dps, for 20 seconds
Why

clever torrent
versed saffron
versed saffron
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Changes!

PURE BALANCE
Increased the overheal cap to 450%.
Blood storage is increased to 1000 health points.
BUFFED
Increased the ray distance to -45% instead of -75%, making it more effective at distance.
Increased the damage to 30 POINTS per second. RIP scout. 130 when ubered.
NERFED
Decreased the healing rate to 150%.
Now overheal drains 2 times faster. This prevents your teammates from being too overpowered while still keeping this great feel of survivability.

river nova
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decreased overheal cap?

versed saffron
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Bloodpump [Rebalanced]

river nova
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swear it was 350% beforehand

versed saffron
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yeah it dd

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I think it's way better

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I feel like it could be full range as long as the cursor is aimed at the enemy. Makes it balanced

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Also changes:
You HAVE to hold left click when used on an enemy even if you have auto-heal on.
-25% ray distance when attached to an enemy.
Your cursor must aim at the enemy. Otherwise, ray disconnects.

clever torrent
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Still making medic an offense class for 80% of his gameplay is a bad idea

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And his primary is literally useless now

versed saffron
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i need to find a golden spot of damaging yet having enough of health to your teammates

clever torrent
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Ehhhh

versed saffron
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also i don't find it being too bad as it actually encorauges the medic of having a risky playstyle

clever torrent
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It's risky in all the wrong ways

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The medic has to risk his life to do his role and therefore it's hard to get uber which is a pretty essential part of medic

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Even in live tf2 it's already hard to make people switch to stock

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It's especially gonna be hard with these battlemedics

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And sitting there with medics that aren't even able to heal is also annoying

versed saffron
clever torrent
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As the 150 health class that only does 30 dmg/s

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At very close ranges

versed saffron
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hmm

clever torrent
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Yea exactly hmmm

versed saffron
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is 50 damage enough

clever torrent
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This stuff doesn't really work as a medigun. I'd just say revamp it into a primary

clever torrent
versed saffron
clever torrent
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Thats the healbeam

versed saffron
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i've said you have to aim at your enemy yourself

versed saffron
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it says you have to manually aim at your enemy in order for it to work

clever torrent
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Oh i didn't notice that

versed saffron
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otherwise beam disconnects

clever torrent
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But then we have the problem that medic is both a good offense class and can make people have 1k health

versed saffron
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you have to kill 3 heavies and a spy in order to do that

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1 heavy is enough to get a more than regular amount of overheal

clever torrent
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I mean you can still get a scout to 425 health from 1 heavy that is not to underrestimate

versed saffron
clever torrent
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He just provides so much value in a fight as both a strong offense class and a great support

versed saffron
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honestly gotta rework uber as there are also plenty of times when you have to use it on yourself making you a fast overpowered heavy

clever torrent
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And it's hard to get a middle value as it will just tilt the polarising fact to one or the other side with none ever being happy

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As i said it's best to make it into a primary than a full medigun

versed saffron
clever torrent
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Not really

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Imma cook sth up wait a sec

versed saffron
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having 2+ mediguns with separate ubers is ugly

clever torrent
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Keeps the blood mrchanic and overheal exceeding

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But to lesser extremes

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Forgor to add "unable to collect blood while alt fire is active"

versed saffron
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however i have to draw a new design

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which i can probably do but ehh

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not now

versed saffron
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how does it let your medigun to exceed the overheal limit

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does it like

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buff your medigun

clever torrent
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A temporary buff that drains 1 blood for every 1 overheal exceeding max

versed saffron
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probably should be instant but with an increased draining rate

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it still works very weirdly

clever torrent
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Where you instantly get a huge health boost on your teammate

versed saffron
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the problem with this weapon is that your teammates are not full hp most of the time

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and it can't heal, only overheal

clever torrent
versed saffron
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also this buff is very weird because you can't connect a ray to your friend and use this weapon at the same time which results in 1-3 seconds of the buff always going to the trash

river nova
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honestly the way i envisioned a primary version of this is it being some kind of harpoon

clever torrent
versed saffron
clever torrent
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It is a slight boost to your teammate to help them be a bit more agressive

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It's just a rough sketch so do what you want with itengineer

glacial granite
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from what I understand right now, its a primary that drains enemy health to store for later use on teammates, dealing damage translates 1 to 1 for more overheal on your heal target, capped at 250 points, but to get the overheal boost, you gotta right click to dump the stored blood into your medigun.

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pretty cool!

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I think maybe it could have a 1:2 damage to overheal ratio, but a decent damage reduction?

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I know the syringe gun already deals some pretty mediocre damage but you should be healing anyway, this allows for chip damage to help boost your medi-gun but leaves even less self defense in return.

radiant zephyr
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what if we put this steal health function on the crussaders crossbow like weapon that might make it balance

clever torrent
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We already have shock therapy we don't need a normal healing primary too

stray mulch
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Medic is a support class

versed saffron
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also yeah, you're completely right.