#Sandman Idea...?

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shell basalt
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I kinda want to see the Sandman in TF2C, but I 'm a firm believer that it should have been a ranged damage weapon instead of whatever we got in live, so here's the stats I have:

M2 to fire a baseball that deals 50 DMG (from 15 in live TF2)
Ball recharge: 8s (from 10s in live TF2)

-) 20% swing speed penalty (?)
-) 50% less ammo for secondary pistols
-) 66% longer recharge for secondary throwables

The idea here is to make the baseballs a main source of ranged damage.
Up for discussion.

9/26/2025 EDIT:
Possible alternative stats:
M2 to fire a baseball that deals 35 DMG (from 15 in live TF2) and stuns players for up to 4s
Ball recharge: 8s (from 10s in live TF2)

-) 20% swing speed penalty
-) On secondary miss: 20% movement speed penalty for 5s

split obsidian
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Why would we need a second brick?
Just seems a little redundant

tardy reef
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Also add a brick shotgun

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All brick load out

bitter shale
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Piss Brick :D

shell basalt
split obsidian
shell basalt
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Aaaand... there's the cue that I have little idea on what I'm doing.

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A part of my intention is to bring the projectile combos scout used to have in live TF2 here, but in a slightly more controlled manner in that it doesn't immediately kill 7/9 classes in the game.
Another is to encourage the use of these baseballs as the main ranged option for damage, hence the nerf on secondary weapons when this is equipped.

vast plover
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I tried to do this as a golf club for Civilian once, and it got a little bit of decent reception.

bright vigil
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Just use the stun, 2016 is over we don’t have to abide by these arbitrary “””game design””” rules anymore

gray carbon
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i think this needs something other than damage because its just kinda a second brick

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maybe a speed boost on hit? with the ball ofc

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but as a crazy idea

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if someone hits you w the ball while you have this weapin

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you’re stunned

bright vigil
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“Everything I don’t like is rage bait because Im incapable of serious conversation”

gray carbon
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but thats an entirely different weapon

gray carbon
bright vigil
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Actual baby babble

gray carbon
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i genuinely thought you were joking

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i aint gonna argue with you because youre being mean but like stuns bad in multiplayer games

bright vigil
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You called my honest opinion rage bait and completely dismissed it of course I’m going to be mean

gray carbon
bright vigil
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Thank you

gray carbon
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you’re welcome

shell basalt
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@bright vigil Now I'd like to ask, why add the stun?

shell basalt
bright vigil
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The thing about the sandman that nobody seems to mention is that -15 crosses a LOT of damage thresholds and basically makes you fodder for anything

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So it basically created a scenario where scout NEEDS to land his sandman ball before a lot of interaction or he’s frankly just going to loose

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I think the problem with the sandman is that it didn’t really punish you for missing, so the main downside didn’t really come into play most of the time because the scout could launch his ball, miss, and run away and not actually have to engage.

bright vigil
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Fix that and I think the sandman would be a viable and less hated weapon in both live and TF2C.

keen gull
shell basalt
bright vigil
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Kind of a non-answer but I think in general the stun probably wouldn’t work because “stuns don’t belong in multiplayer games” has become sort of a stock response everyone’s heard whenever sandman discussion pops up.

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Until that idea actually gets confronted and people are more open to it, it’s kind of unthinkable to add it

shell basalt
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Huh. That's quite a reasonable take.

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"Marked for death for 5s on secondary miss"...
Any other ideas on penalizing missing baseballs?

bright vigil
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Problem with that is that the scout can just run away. It’s gotta be something that prevents or punishes that. Inflicting slowness, preventing double jumps, etc.

shell basalt
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Slowness seems to be the safest way to do it, I think.