Bulletproof vest [Heavy] [Secondary]

[heady marsh]

CODENAME: "Bulletproof vest"
DESCRIPTION : I'M BULLETPROOF!
*** CLASS: HEAVY
*** SLOT: SECONDARY
*** BASE: VEST
+ -30% Bullet Damage
+ -15% Explosion Damage
- 10% speed(vest heavy)
- Replace Shotgun(this minus? or i need remove this?) 

Why not. secondary who increase survive time for heavy

[spring pine]

lame

[ocean shard]

I hate weapons thar just remove tools for passive buffs

[heady marsh]

weapon good or bad?(we don't rate like "i hate weapon like it") balanced or no

[drowsy marlin]

Fighting a heavy with a pocket would be absolutely game ruining

[spring pine]

this just makes heavy tankier than he already is

[drowsy marlin]

The only thing the enemy can do is spy

[spring pine]

it's a bad idea

[heady marsh]

fire? maybe rocket bc when i join i always see a 2-3 soldier

[spring pine]

heavy can just crush the pyro

[heady marsh]

yes i know

flare gun than

[spring pine]

flare gun counts as bullet damage

[heady marsh]

fr?

[spring pine]

yes

[drowsy marlin]

Ah yes counter to a heavy and medic combo 3 soldiers at once. Sounds like a reasonable weakness

That is sarcasm if that wasn't clear

[heady marsh]

bullet, fire damage type flare gun

[spring pine]

what

[heady marsh]

-25% max overheal?

[heady marsh]

that type of damage

[drowsy marlin]

It's just a bad idea

[heady marsh]

what i talk about

[drowsy marlin]

No amount of tweaking would make that fun

[heady marsh]

fun of what? fun of death? when play on heavy?

[pale blaze]

To fight

[drowsy marlin]

And to use

[heady marsh]

and after 2-4 second bc medic don't heal you gonna died and no one kill

[drowsy marlin]

Skill issue

[heady marsh]

maybe bc enemy smart

[pale blaze]

Hey now having 624 effective HP against hitscan is a great fuck you to snipers

[drowsy marlin]

Maybe bc you not good at heavy

[spring pine]

if you mean what i think you do, then the sandvich was literally added for this reason

[heady marsh]

when a fucking a straight corridor and you need to push car?

[pale blaze]

I don't wanna be rude or negative

[drowsy marlin]

If you need a pocket to do good at heavy then you aren't good at heavy

[pale blaze]

But you're either a big noob or delusional

[heady marsh]

oh all ok i just say

[heady marsh]

Heavy can only reach his potential with a medic

or i don't right?

[drowsy marlin]

Skill issue

[heady marsh]

450 hp of tank

vs 300 hp

[pale blaze]

625 with a medic and this xdd

[drowsy marlin]

You can still consistently stomp as heavy without medic

[heady marsh]

wait how much medic have hp?

[heady marsh]

yes if you a soldier

and with other class you can kill heavy(not medic)

[drowsy marlin]

??????

[heady marsh]

but if heavy vs heavy this gonna be like "Whoever opens fire first wins"

[pale blaze]

Clearly English isn't his first language

[heady marsh]

yes

[drowsy marlin]

Yea i am having trouble understanding his waffling

[heady marsh]

mb

i don't very good at english sometime

[drowsy marlin]

Conclusion:
Making heavy 30% harder to kill for 4 classes
And 15% harder for 2 classes
While removing his biggest counter (sniper) and making him omega buff with medic
And it being a boring weapon design wise is not a good idea

[heady marsh]

hmmm but in most cases medic rarely treat heavy

but this make heavy more like a tank

[drowsy marlin]

Even if medics don't exist this is very awful to fight

[heady marsh]

yes you are right but snipers are not considered that way

[drowsy marlin]

Demo and solly need to hit all 4 of their projectiles to kill you if you miss 1 you are as good as dead

[drowsy marlin]

Wait wait wait WHAT?????

What do you mean by that. Please clarify

[heady marsh]

i'm about headshot

[drowsy marlin]

?

I am more confused with that explaination

[heady marsh]

450 damage from headshot

[drowsy marlin]

Him being one shot with a fully charged shot is not something you should take away

[heady marsh]

i don't take away

if heavy gonna take this weapon and medic don't heal him sniper gonna oneshot him

[drowsy marlin]

When he is overhealed yes yes you did

[heady marsh]

if about this you right

but we have a Civilian

and hes passive effect is 20% damage resistance(work only on ally not to himself)

[drowsy marlin]

???

Are you now saying you want to put it on civ?

[heady marsh]

no no no i just say about it

[drowsy marlin]

?????????????????

[heady marsh]

bc with this effect sniper too can't oneshot heavy(overheal)

i wanna say about it only

[drowsy marlin]

Yea ik i didn't mention civ bc he is only tied to 2 modes

[heady marsh]

yea u right

so

if i add a -10% speed to vest?(bc this vest heavy)

[lusty fractal]

What about the Battalions?

[pale blaze]

That's not just a passive tool tho

[simple spoke]

holy goddamn 624 health heavy

[heady marsh]

what

[simple spoke]

that's how much health you have against hitscan

[heady marsh]

oh

[lusty fractal]

yeah, im just asking them about tools like that. since boots and banner are 2 different leagues.

(though the conch would probably still be used if it was just a passive)

[lusty fractal]

what i should of asked it the Gunboats, but i hate them so much i forget they existed.

[heady marsh]

anyone use Gunboats?

[pale blaze]

Gunboats not a passive tool either

[heady marsh]

passive

[pale blaze]

You gotta make use of it through an action to gain the benefit xd

[heady marsh]

but this a passive effect

[lusty fractal]

it is a passive, you don't have to input anything to activated it

hell, Soldier already has a 40% Passive reduction to his own Blast jumps by default. the Gunboats just add more on top. (multiplicatively, not additionally, so no, it's not 100%)

[simple spoke]

actually on that note, did his passive resist adopt the change to it that made it only for rocket jumps?

[pale blaze]

Yes

[lusty fractal]

should be, it gets cancelled out when he hits another player with the same blast (same to the gunboats) so it seems to only be for when he jumps with his own rockets.

[simple spoke]

neat

[ocean shard]

I don't like the battalions for that and the fact that they rival ubers in sheer effectiveness

[ocean shard]

I don't like the gunboats

[grim steppe]

dear god

passive weapons are laaaame

[lusty fractal]

Booo!

[drowsy marlin]

no no they wouldn't 4 regen is not that good

[heady marsh]

fr? not good? passive regen have only medic

[drowsy marlin]

yea but 4 regen isn't worth your entire secondary slot

[heady marsh]

worth

for me. for you it not worth

[drowsy marlin]

you would seriously have 4 regen instead of a shotgun or gunboats???

[heady marsh]

gunboats??? bro cmon. i don't use shotgun so much(but last time i use)

[drowsy marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[heady marsh]

no one have passive regen except medic

[drowsy marlin]

yea i know. why are you pointing that out

[heady marsh]

What do you think? Why do I pay attention to this small detail?