minisenteries

[elfin egret]

add them or i will be amngy

[hollow maple]

Why’s this tagged with Soldier

[onyx dagger]

Kinda want to use this to actually talk about mini sentries and how they efffect the game in live

[celest kayak]

get amngy

[onyx dagger]

Cause like on paper, they don't seem too bad. Its a weaker than lv 1 than can be built quickly with a slightly tankier engineer so he can play closer to the front lines

But in practice, mini sentries are so comedically irritating

And it doesn't really feel asmuch as another engineer closer to the front lines as a diet scout that shits out auto aim damage all the time

[elfin egret]

I'm getting so amngy
This is my amngy face

[hollow maple]

If Classic ever did call back the Minis, they could just tweak the numbers like they did with the Jump pads that were just as spammy.

IF Being the key word here

[celest kayak]

Minisentries dont really add much to the game imo

Like, its fun to shoot people

But also a level 1 does just as good of a job

If not better

While also being less annoying

[onyx dagger]

Im sure they've made attempts. Engi is very turtly right now, and battle engi is one of those iconic styles of play like huntsmen where its hard to say you're classic without an equivalent

[onyx dagger]

I guess I'm just wondering why is it so annoying specifically

Compared to a lv 1

[celest kayak]

Smol and easy to destroy

[onyx dagger]

if it was easy to destroy itd make it less annoying

[hollow maple]

Scout Repellent

[onyx dagger]

I mean, you could probably make a minisentry slower than it is in live but still faster than a level 1

[celest kayak]

Would it? With a level 1 you have to actually fight it. With a minisentry you just instantly destroy it. It feels like a waste of your time to me

[onyx dagger]

Or potentially just start with the level one stats and work back from there.

[onyx dagger]

Can you explain a little more, not really sure what you mean by that

How does it feel like a waste of time to destroy something dealing damage to you

[wicked depot]

No

[onyx dagger]

when will we get the megasentry

[hollow maple]

When they add the Megabastard into the game

[green temple]

i can for sure say the minisentry is fine with a few tweaks

better than any incarnation of a megasentry or sentry alternative that ive seen

[celest kayak]

It's like mines imo

Low effort and spammy, the effort required to build them is much lower than the effort required to destroy them since they, even if only for a moment, require your attention

Maybe thats just me

[onyx dagger]

Its effectiveness would definitely be minimized without weapons like the wrangler or frontier justice in the weapon pool

[green temple]

that's true

[onyx dagger]

Oh, I gotcha. "Whats the point of destroying them if they're going to instantly be back up"

• the fact that they're harder to disarm than arm like mines

[celest kayak]

Exactly. Same reason I disliked jump pads on release and why I dislike the mine layer

[onyx dagger]

I do agree with that, but I genuinely don't think the general concept of 'engineer can build faster in more aggressive position' isn't a fundamentally bad concept. Nothing like a no rev heavy

There are many times where I want to make a dispenser or sentry closer to my team, but just can't because even with boosted it's too slow and takes too much damage to really be of worth.

[celest kayak]

It's not bad and doesn't throw fundamentals of his class out the window, but just hard to do in a good way. I know for a fact the devs have been toying with that idea for years now, Trotim even showed off a scrapped wrench concept

[onyx dagger]

Ooo where?

[celest kayak]

Faster building but no upgrading was the gist of it

[onyx dagger]

Oh

[celest kayak]

Oh ages ago, I'm sure you could dig through and find it somewhere

[hollow maple]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[onyx dagger]

Any reason on why it was scrapped?

This might be an put there idea, but what if these hypothetical 'mini-buildings' gave their low set up cost and speed and traded it for more maintenance?

[hollow maple]

Ew, The Gaj.

[celest kayak]

I know Trotim gave one but I can't remember for the life of me what it was

[onyx dagger]

Like, a dispenser that, instead of filling up an engie's ammo, needs to be filled by the engie constantly but provides decent team healing and ammo (+something to make it more resilient in the front lines)

Or a sentry that has a lower ammo capacity and can actually theoretically runout of ammo

[celest kayak]

If I had to take a wild guess, it's that none of the iterations tested provided very interesting gameplay in comparison to stock. I'm sure that they're trying other, much different ideas though, especially if they felt like it was okay to share that publicly

[onyx dagger]

Its a frankly vestigal mechanic in stock engie that could work as an interesting balancing weight i guess

[celest kayak]

I think sentries being able to run out of ammo is a net positive even if it doesnt happen often

[onyx dagger]

Well yeah I'm saying that maybe a more offensive engineer ability could make that more of a downside in order to keep the engi close to his buildings spending metal like how he does when upgrading and turtling stock

Low set up, but costlier in metal in the long run compared to stock with a high set up, but cheaper in the long run

[hollow maple]

How so?

[celest kayak]

Incentivizes more active maintenance even in a beneficial position. Plus it means someone trapped won't be trapped indefinitely.

I think if you wanted to nerf engi, that would be the way to do it, but I also don't think he needs that right now lmao

[hollow maple]

I just never thought of that as a positive balancing factor to sentries, since A. The Engi can always replenish at the same time he fixes it or B. It will probably go down before running out of bullets.

[onyx dagger]

how many kills would it even take to deplete a sentry

Most engis don't live past 10

[celest kayak]

True, but I'd rather have a limiting factor that almost never comes into play than no limiting factor at all

[onyx dagger]

???

A limiting factor too high is no limiting factor at all

[hollow maple]

Fair, I’m not saying it having infinite Ammo would be a good thing, but just like most weapons, you rarely run out before being dead.

[onyx dagger]

Not like he needs it anyways, I Moreso brought the trait up to see if encouraging that matienence the ammo counter is suppose to create would be healthy for a hypothetical minibuilding