#Neutral Dominion

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marble cobalt
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I want to put more emphasis on my neutral timing to help my gameplay as it is an aspect I want to improve on

shadow belfry
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can you be more specific

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what about neutral are you trying to improve upon

marble cobalt
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So i play sagat, often i get checked by a random jump when i try to whiff my attacks or get whiffed punish. What i want to do is reduce the amount of times i get into those positions currently a 1500mr sagat

shadow belfry
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what do you mean you try to whiff your attacks, ideally you want to avoid whiffing

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but if you notice you're getting jumped in on a lot, think about in what scenario did my opponent jump? did they block a fireball? block a normal? take a mental note of in what situation they like to jump and just wait

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doing nothing in neutral is a good option

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against jumpers and to feel out what your opponent likes to do

marble cobalt
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I try to whiff in hopes they whiff too to see if i can bait out a whiff punish

shadow belfry
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if you're gonna do that you should be using low recovery normals like jabs

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that way if you whiff a jab you can still anti air if they jump

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better players are often looking for their opponents move startup, so doing a light can bait that reaction

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it's a low risk option

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whiffing let's say a st.mk is going to make you vulnerable for a very large time

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no reason to take such a risk

marble cobalt
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How would i react to the startup of the attack?

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I would try to react when the attack is there

shadow belfry
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you'd keep your eyes on your opponent, and when you see a move startup begin is when you press your whiff punish normal

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it makes it significantly easier to react

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which is why the counterplay would be to whiff a jab to make them think youre whiffing a move

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then whiff punish them

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this is higher level stuff but it's good

marble cobalt
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Ooooh, that makes sense since at times i react to the jump instead of the frame the jump starts and would often have a really late medium deep and get comboed

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I was gonna ask how does a jab even get anyone to react since its so fast, but if i react to the moment the character moves, then i can see why

shadow belfry
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yep!

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as for jumps it's such a large window you don't necessarily have to notice the early jump frames but it does help

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and remember if youre pressing a poke.. for example a st.mk..

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the moment you press that button you are unactionable for quite a few frames, so there's no reason to be doing anything other than looking for jump ins

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i guess with sagat st.mk its a little different because you can confirm the hit, but generally speaking

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if you press a long recovery poke, just be ready to dp

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thats where your mind should be

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because you arent actionable for that many frames anyways the moment you press the button, so put your brain into something useful in the meantime

marble cobalt
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@shadow belfry thank you bro after a 3 day break and some warmups, my neutral game is so much stronger

shadow belfry