Longer term Cammy coaching!

[chilly cairn]

But by being able to do it more often you win more overall

However

[teal pivot]

ik 😭

[chilly cairn]

If you run in to like a Ken or Ryu on their rank up game

Fuck DP

BEAT THAT BITCH

GATEKEEP HIM

[steel narwhal]

I can also cosplay a jumping Ryu

[chilly cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[teal pivot]

teach them to sit the FUCK down XD

[chilly cairn]

Oh this 4 win stream gold 5 almost plat 1 Ryu wants to hold back and walk to the corner

I'M GONNA WALK HIS ASS BACK TO SILVER AND ONE AND DONE HIS ASS

[teal pivot]

na it's all good just have to drill the dp motion into me and not default to b.mp

[teal pivot]

Marsh rly hating on those shotos

[chilly cairn]

I didn't even default to bmp or bhk because I forget

I try and dp and just end up cr.lk

https://tenor.com/view/my-goals-are-beyond-your-understanding-reverse-flash-eobard-thawne-the-flash-gif-16637212

[teal pivot]

XD

[teal pivot]

I am on after 7pm @foggy star

[foggy star]

Okay! I might stil be playing!
I can do now until 4, or after 5!

[foggy star]

@teal pivot you around?

[teal pivot]

In 10 min

I lost track

[steel narwhal]

tsk tsk

Letting David wait like that

@chilly cairn Mayhaps you wanna join your class too

[teal pivot]

Iam truly sry @foggy star won't happen again

[chilly cairn]

I did mine on monday

[steel narwhal]

You can also do some today

[chilly cairn]

Me @ u

Yeah but I already said I wasn't available

[steel narwhal]

Welp so be it then

[teal pivot]

Marsh is busy "studying" Juri "gameplay" let the man be :)

[steel narwhal]

Is that so

Well then I wont stop him

[teal pivot]

Guess I missed my session. Iam sorry for wasting your time david . Those pepeemoji are addicitng man XD

[steel narwhal]

I am not up for 1on1s but I can watch over some matches that you werent sure what you did wrong and etc

As an alternative

basically vod reviewing

[teal pivot]

Oh really? would be huge.

[steel narwhal]

I gladly do that yeah

You can just DM me anytime you want smth like that

It's my fav activity of coaching

If you have any thoughts or anything I am supposed to look over for would be good too

[teal pivot]

Will play some games and then send you some (where I struggled) after that. If thats fine with you

[steel narwhal]

All good

[teal pivot]

nice

Will do that

[steel narwhal]

I might be busy in 80mins if my dumb friends actually show up for the 5th minecraft SMP we try but you'll have the feedback by tmr morning

Pinky promise

[teal pivot]

No stress Iam asking for a favour XD

[foggy star]

no Worries! I had to leave

[teal pivot]

It changed to a lethal company session XD next time or when Iam having problems

[steel narwhal]

All good

[foggy star]

Btw I'll be gone fora little over a week! See you then

[teal pivot]

🫡

[steel narwhal]

@teal pivot @chilly cairn While David is gone for vacation. I gladly would like to give both of you some feedback on some of ur matches

If you can or want

Send me a one or more codes for replay and I will write for each match my notes here

giving what you guys did well, what should be improved and etc

[teal pivot]

🫡 Thank you for your service!

[wide spindle]

Not as good as the coaches but I gladly take a look if you need too

[steel narwhal]

Dont sell yourself short Zag you reached master

I trust you fully that you could do a good job

You're good

[teal pivot]

Suiiii. Still can’t dp when things are hectic only neutral and when things slows down. But fixed my DI habit bc I got countered a lot XD.

[steel narwhal]

Congrats Neko

[teal pivot]

Thanks!

Now I need to learn how to use drive rush in combos and in neutral :/. DI can‘t carry me forever

[steel narwhal]

Most classic thing to use is cr.mk buffered with DRC

You'll need to start doing that

(But don't solely rely on that)

But also Drive rushing in neutral is good

Especially when you're facing JP

Bc his Fireballs don't become active until much later

[wide spindle]

st.hp and cr.mk are th best starter for drc imo, f st.hk had some niche too

in neutral a common tool is to use DR jab, to approach and start an aggressive phase

you can also use DR => jab on oki, to either bait a wake up dp, bait a meaty and go for a grab, or go meaty

Don't forget that your first button after the DR gain +4 frame of "stun"

[teal pivot]

Oh yea wanted to ask how do I buffer buttons? A few yt videos talk about buffering but I always thought it only applies to special and is about hitconfirming e.g. when s.mp -> s.lk -> inputing qcf but iam hitconfirming if it hits. When the 2 previous move hit I press mk if they didnt hit I dont press mk. But I guess I got the wrong idea.

[teal pivot]

Do you first press parry then double forward or double forward and then on the second forward button parry? Was experimenting with double forward then parry but sometimes I am too late on the parry and I just dash, but it is a bit quicker than parry then dash. Is it worth it to learn the second option?

[steel narwhal]

I honestly just learned by just doing it. I wouldnt know how to describe it without showing it but honestly after cr.mk, let go of down and press MPMK right after without waiting if it hits or not

Thats very vague Ik

[wide spindle]

you mean the speed DR options?

[steel narwhal]

6>Parry+6 is the fastest

[wide spindle]

yes

[steel narwhal]

also no blue flash coming out

[wide spindle]

forward then parry then forward

[steel narwhal]

In higher plat I could imagine ppl DR checking you just bc they saw the blue flash at first

[teal pivot]

but drc comes out even if they block no? I dont want that right? So Iam just buffering for when the c.mk touches the opponent and not if they block or get hit?

[wide spindle]

it honestly can be a bait, do delay a bit the DR after parry

[steel narwhal]

You cant hitconfirm your cr.mk

[teal pivot]

got it

[steel narwhal]

no one can

[wide spindle]

for some moves, like cr.mk you can't hitconfirm

[steel narwhal]

Thats the point

You react AFTER the freeze from DRC

[wide spindle]

my advice if they block your cr.mk xx drc

is to mix strike throw

[teal pivot]

Yea I thought so like man those master players are crazy hitconfirming from c.mk

[steel narwhal]

avg cr.mk hitconfirm window is like 12f

[wide spindle]

like cr.mk xx drc throw

[steel narwhal]

Real, Zag

[wide spindle]

or cr.mk xx drc jab throw

[steel narwhal]

it's cheeky

[languid ermine]

i would heavily advice on not doing this

this is fake

[wide spindle]

it is

but it's surprise attack

[languid ermine]

learning to just do cr.mk xx drc jab when your cr.mk got blocked is much more beneficial

[steel narwhal]

I still think it's not bad if your opponent is slow

[languid ermine]

if you are going through the effort of learning to hit confirm it on the DRC

[teal pivot]

what you mean its fake?

[steel narwhal]

Fake as in

they can jab

[wide spindle]

opponent can mash

[languid ermine]

no

they can OS it

with invincible reversal

[teal pivot]

OD you mean?

[languid ermine]

OD dp for example yeah

or super

[steel narwhal]

Huh you cant mash out of cr.mk xx DRC throw

[languid ermine]

no

[teal pivot]

ah yea

[steel narwhal]

Interesting

[languid ermine]

oh uh maybe? idk but that isnt why its bad

the OS is what you should be afraid of since some people will do it everytime and it beats you clean everytime

meaning you just wasted 3 bars without even getting a mix

doing cr.mk xx drc into jab however gives you a real mixup

i can demonstrate in a few minutes, eating rn

[steel narwhal]

Alright alright nerdgetree I believe ya

I dont want to a setters to happen

😭

[languid ermine]

but the gist is if you do cr.mk xx drc into ANYTHING with a gap, for example a throw, st.mp, st.hp or w/e, the opponent can invincible reversal it

so if your "mixup" is doing either throw of st.mp after the drc, they will always win

however if you do a gapless string with cr.mk xx drc into jab, their od dp wont come out

[teal pivot]

you mean when they get knoocked down? and I meaty drc -> jab? I can escape a dp reversal with that?

[wide spindle]

Like in, you DR to bait a meaty

use jab to stop your dash early

and some people tend to OD dp on wakeup when they saw drive rush on oki

which lead to a free punish

[teal pivot]

I see thanks.

[wide spindle]

dunno if it's clear?

[teal pivot]

So if they are knocked down and see me DR they sometimes will do od dp and I can jab it out? Iam a bit confused :O

[wide spindle]

they're knocked down

you're a bit far

[teal pivot]

ah

now I get it

[wide spindle]

even on close

I think it works on an hard knockdown

[teal pivot]

so you dont get into the strike zone of the od dp?

[teal pivot]

wut? XD

[wide spindle]

I'm at work RN but I'll show you when I can

[teal pivot]

yea sure just ping me!

Thanks for the advices everyone helps a ton!

[steel narwhal]

One last thing

I am not sure if it was said in this spaghetti convo

But you can drive rush jab in neutral

Or should sometimes as a way to force them into guessing

I am highkey sure someone said this

here

[teal pivot]

in neutral also? I thought they can jab me out?

[steel narwhal]

IF they react to it

that doesnt mean you should do it full screen

[languid ermine]

okay so @teal pivot @steel narwhal @wide spindle heres the OD DP OS (also works with incincible supers):

I have dummy do cr.mk xx drc into throw, cr.mk xx drc into st.mp and cr.mk xx drc into jab. The throw and st.mp frametrap if i try to mash out and cr.mk xx drc into jab is gapless so my mash doesnt come out.

On paper looks like a strike throw right? However if im sharp and input od dp as reaction to DRC then I just beat every single option

[teal pivot]

sadtree said to jab if they blocked my c.mk but not on neutral

[languid ermine]

so now if you default to strings with gaps, like drc into throw then you risk just eating free damage AND losing on drive gauge every single time

[teal pivot]

hahaha yea got it

[languid ermine]

if you do end up sticking with the game into master rank and beyond, i will guarantee you that you will regret having not learned to do gapless strings after DRC

since some maniacs will input that od dp after every single drc without failing and you will eat them every single time

[steel narwhal]

Sadtree is correct on that but I refer to just using drive rush in neutral to gain advantage

[languid ermine]

and as for the technique itself, its very useful to learn yourself! So you can stop that fake string too, and its especially useful into grapplers who like to do stuff like drc into cmd grab

[steel narwhal]

It's two different things that both end up with drive rush frames Jab that forces strike throw

One out of a cr.mk

other out of just raw DR

Both have ups and downs

[languid ermine]

yeah so my advice on jabbing after cr.mk xx drc is very specific, dont mix it up with other DRC or PDR uses

[teal pivot]

I mean its crazy that ppl have the reaction to od dp when seeing a drc no? Isn't it a high master thing 😭 I just want to throw them

[steel narwhal]

Oh dw

[languid ermine]

nah you will have people do this in plat and diamond too

also some people will just Drev you aswell

[steel narwhal]

My neurons when I play Akuma do that by themselves

[languid ermine]

and you can only beat that if you do jab after blocked cr.mk xx drc

[teal pivot]

Zangief :O

[languid ermine]

i touched on it in my previous message, but cr.mk xx drc into jab on block cant be Drev'd on reaction

[teal pivot]

whats pdr?

[steel narwhal]

parry drive rush

[languid ermine]

parry drive rush, just doing "raw" drive rush

[steel narwhal]

the normal drive rush as you know

[teal pivot]

akuma and his jump option select is crazy ngl

[teal pivot]

yea got it

[teal pivot]

ah I see got it

are all her lights gapless? also s.lk?

[languid ermine]

now its up to you if you want to learn to hit confirm the cr.mk xx drc into big button on hit and jab on block, you can add it to your list of things to work on but it might not be the most important thing right now

im just trying to drive the point home that you should NOT* pick up bad habits instead

[languid ermine]

nah just her st.lp and cr.lp*

generally speaking cr.mk xx DRC is only gapless into 4f buttons across the cast

so if you see ken doing cr.mk xx drc into st.mp, you could od dp the gap

[steel narwhal]

Speaking of which maybe I should watch a replay or a few from ya Neko

[teal pivot]

yea thinking about adding it to my diamond gameplan when the time comes. I have to work on other "more important" things like dp when its getting hectic

[teal pivot]

yea sweating in neutral DI 😅

[teal pivot]

Yea will go over some replays and send you the ones where I struggled either today or tomorrow.

[languid ermine]

man i ate too much and typod, her gapless strings are st.lp and cr.lp NOT cr.lk

hopefully you didnt write that down in your memory yet

[steel narwhal]

SADTREE LYING???

wow

[languid ermine]

honest mistake

[steel narwhal]

and you were my role model

[languid ermine]

never meet your heroes as they say

[steel narwhal]

I am finnished

[teal pivot]

man I dont have crazy reactions XD Guess it will come with time

[steel narwhal]

some reactions come from muscle memory

[teal pivot]

got it

[languid ermine]

its easier than it sounds! You can for sure do it if you practice it regularly

i do know few people who, without a question, do it on every cr.mk drc

[steel narwhal]

It's how I got to plat with Chun honestly

[languid ermine]

and its not like they have inhumane reactions, they just practiced it and focus on it in games

[teal pivot]

na XD Iam chilling watching some last kingdom and thinking about writing all tips from these messages down at a later point

[teal pivot]

The Boys hahaha

[teal pivot]

I see

Oh yea another question is it a good idea to c.mk drc when they dr into me from far away? or just stop them with c.mk and continue neutral?

[steel narwhal]

Hm that'd mean your DR Check is cr.mk

I am not sure but I think cr.mp being bit faster is better for that @languid ermine?

[teal pivot]

na its usually just light jabs

[steel narwhal]

Jabs work but the range is not far

It can get stuffed as well

[teal pivot]

I thought c.mk and s.hp were good buttons to drc?

[languid ermine]

yeah so what button you use is very range dependant on where the opponent does their DR, from close up you pretty much have to check them with jabs since other buttons are just too slow.

Mid range you have more options, st.lk and cr.mp are usually great since they are fast and have good hit boxes.

Far away though, thats when you usually start to use cr.mk a bit more since its hitbox can beat quite a few usual dr buttons

[teal pivot]

you mean counter hit?

[steel narwhal]

I referred to drive rush checks themselves

[teal pivot]

ah ok

[steel narwhal]

but yes those buttons are the go to for DRC combos

[languid ermine]

as for DRC usage, its always good as long as you can afford it since the hit is "guaranteed", as in you either check their DR and get a combo, or they beat your check and your drc never comes out

[steel narwhal]

Yeah but stuffed is more precise with what I mean

[languid ermine]

usually as cammy you want to play at a range where you can check the DR with your jab, since you can safely autopilot the CH continuation after it which is cr.mp

[teal pivot]

so 4 1/2 meter or 5?

[languid ermine]

so for example whenever I try to check a DR with my jab, i always and I really mean always press cr.mp afterwards. Either my check succeeds and the cr.mp combos since its CH or i get stuffed and the outcomes the same

[languid ermine]

well very situational, if the combo is gonna kill then every time! But generally speaking 4.5 to 5 bars is a nice reference point ye

[teal pivot]

what is CH continuation? you mean autopilot into 2-3 jabs into mk arrow?

[steel narwhal]

Good thing I play dishonest characters like Chun who can just f.mp

[languid ermine]

nah its cr.mp

CH jab links into cr.mp for a combo

so you can do stuff like ch st.lp, cr.mp xx H arrow

and since you are checking DR with your jab, it will always be a CH

[steel narwhal]

That's actually really good

If you do a jab meaty for example

Hella nice

[teal pivot]

ah counter hit =CH got it. counter hit gives you + some frames? wow didnt know that

[steel narwhal]

2frames

afaik

At least you learn it very early into ur time here

unlike Punk cough

[languid ermine]

Yee CH is counter hit and gives +2 extra frames, so like your jab is normally +5 on hit but on CH it becomes +7

and since your cr.mp is 7f startup its awfully convenient

PC, aka punish counter state adds +4 so your jab becomes +9 on hit, meaning it links into st.hp or b.hk

[teal pivot]

man iam confused again XD doesnt drc cancels give them + frames or only if the first attack land it gives the second attack +frames?

[steel narwhal]

No no look

Sadtree means anytime you check a drive rush

[languid ermine]

haha its okay, give me a sec ill show it on a replay

[steel narwhal]

It counts as a counterhit

[teal pivot]

good to know thanks

[steel narwhal]

jab on Hit is 5F and with the extra frames from coutner hit it links into cr.mp

[teal pivot]

yea that part I got

[teal pivot]

oh yea that part I got too. I mean drive rush in general. It gives your buttons +frames. I wanted to know if it gives the first button or the second button +frames but I guess its the second button if I think about CH and I can combo c.hp into s.hp

nvm question got answered XD

[steel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

[languid ermine]

so whenever you hit opponent out of their DR (aka Checking their DR), its a counterhit. No matter if your opponent pressed anything or not its always a CH. This means whenever you check their DR, you can already assume you have the extra +2f of advantage on your button

[steel narwhal]

You fried my brain

[languid ermine]

so e.g as cammy, when you check DR with jab you can always just autopilot cr.mp afterwards

[teal pivot]

Can't explain it better XD

[teal pivot]

yea \

[languid ermine]

As for drive rush, both Parry Drive Rush and Drive Rush Cancel, it only gives extra +4 advantage on the first button after the DR

[teal pivot]

no guys just forget my question I answered it by myself. Don't want to fry your brains out XD

[steel narwhal]

All good Neko your questions are vaid

valid

There is no dumb question

It's our job to deal with them

[teal pivot]

..... not on the second button ? if its the first button then it cant be a CH?

[languid ermine]

i think you are mixing up two things here, but no not on the 2nd button always the first

[teal pivot]

Insane volunteer work 😇

[languid ermine]

is this what you meant? As you can see from PDR if i do st.lp its +9 on hit (compared to normal +5), and if i do two jabs i'm left at +5 since the PDR advantage only affected the first jab

[teal pivot]

oh yea now that I think about it I worded it incorrectly and/or meant something else. Now I relly got it. DR or DRC gives the first button +frames so you can link it with other bigger buttons you normally wont get in a combo aka c.hp -> s.hp

[languid ermine]

yee exactly!

[teal pivot]

TOP! Thanks guys! Helped me through my confusion and mistake of my wording

[teal pivot]

So if I just left with DRC and jab the meter would show +9 right?

[languid ermine]

correct!

and same way as if it was blocked, it would show +2 since st.lp normally is -2

[teal pivot]

crazy big brain moment. XD

[teal pivot]

got it

[languid ermine]

one last part of it is CH/PC and DR frames "stack" meaning if you do pdr jab and its also CH, you get extra +6 frames and your jab becomes +11 on hit

and if your DR jab is also punish counter, its +13

[teal pivot]

got it. But I think the reaction comes with time to do another combo when I see a PC. The ch jab into c.mp into hk arrow is good enough for now

Oh and to answer this question definitely! Wondering why I played League when there's FG

[teal pivot]

I mean this

[foggy star]

You can also do crLK, MP xx h arrow to catch those trying to walk back from your PDR, because it hits low

[vernal reef]

Is the coaching offer still available

[steel narwhal]

Hello, no sorry as of rn David already has 2 students

But feel free to ask for stuff and etc

[vernal reef]

Got it, thanks

[chilly cairn]

Yall wrote a whole ass novel

[steel narwhal]

You were gone for a whike

[chilly cairn]

True, quite a bit going on this month and I've also started playing FF14

[languid ermine]

I started ffxiv quite recently too

[steel narwhal]

My condolences to both of you

[chilly cairn]

Yipppeeeee which class to start, I'm cjr to white mage

[languid ermine]

just play what you want, i did base story of ARR as monk, then changed to red mage. I'm now in the first expansion and play red mage, dark knight and astrologian

[wide spindle]

You're both doomed

You took steps in a wonderfull but cruel place

[languid ermine]

i come from lost ark, i can take it

[wide spindle]

hmmmm

Played both, and FF14 is wayyyyyyyy bigger imo

but it's only if you diving into it fully

[languid ermine]

bigger sure

but is it more cruel

i highly doubt that

[wide spindle]

I was saying that in a way like, you'll never come back from it

[languid ermine]

its fine im not very addictive person. I just logged 2.4k hours in lost ark during the first year of games release

[wide spindle]

xD

But please 🙏 don't skip the scenario. It's a big part of the enjoyment of the game

anyway

[languid ermine]

naa ofc not skipping, the storys mad good

[teal pivot]

hmmm I learned a new jump in combo. j.hp -> TC -> f.j.mp -> h divekick. Is OD divekick worth it for another h dp or only when they are low?

[steel narwhal]

Ex divekick is good if you wanna combo into level 3/finishing them off

Think it works with level as well

But just by itself into h.DP is likely not worth it

I imagine the scaling from TC adds too much to make it worthwhile

[teal pivot]

yea works with lv 1

[teal pivot]

its about 400 more

[steel narwhal]

If it kills it kills ig

[teal pivot]

Guess I will stay without the od version only if its with lv1 or lv3

makes it easier for my brain to stay consistent.

Oh and the hitconfirm is j.hp -> b.mp right? I saw that its -1 ob so its safe?

[steel narwhal]

If that's true then yeah it's safe

[teal pivot]

Noice

[foggy star]

Hey folks I'm back and can do some sets tomorrow Eve!

[chilly cairn]

I won't be on tonight, work in my house should be done and I have alot of putting shit back where it was to do

[foggy star]

No problem! Good luck with it!

[teal pivot]

Tomorrow evening would be a good time! 👍 Won‘t be late like last time 😅

[foggy star]

Tomorrow is tonight

But i might be able to on Saturday as well

[teal pivot]

yeyyy

[steel narwhal]

@teal pivot I am gonna look at ur matches if you are okay with it

just the recent ones

Never mind SF6 doesnt wanna open for some reason

[teal pivot]

Haven't played a match since the update :( No replays for you. I will play some matches tomorrow

[steel narwhal]

All good

[foggy star]

I'm on it anybody's on

[teal pivot]

are you still down?

[foggy star]

Yeah send inv

[teal pivot]

wait a minute opening

vc?

[foggy star]

Cant :/

[teal pivot]

np

[foggy star]

Wanna do mirror, akuma or JP?

[teal pivot]

lets do akuma

idk what jp does :(

can I punish the double leg thing?

[foggy star]

Only if you crouch block

Then th second whiffs

If you're standing then I'm plus

[teal pivot]

got it

[foggy star]

If you're crouching you can do

crLP, stHP TC i think

Ir crLP crMP H arrow

[teal pivot]

i see

[foggy star]

Too slow

There

[teal pivot]

I see

[foggy star]

But you can do better than that

Because of the bonus frames of the punish counter

[teal pivot]

I dont have many combos XD

can i c.mp?

or s.mp?

[foggy star]

You can also do crLP bMP bHK jmp

No,

You can after the crLP

A few things. You're spending too much time crouching and whiffing crMKs

That's making it easy for me to counter it with my stLK or punishing it

[teal pivot]

ik recently learned DRC and actively trying to fish for it :(

[foggy star]

And yeah, you need more combos at this time

Sure! You should be trying, but only if you think it's gonna hit

But you're doing it a bit too much and it got obvious

[teal pivot]

I see

[foggy star]

Same with the spin knuckles. You were fishing too much so i stopped fireballing to just counter it

Let's go to training room and i can give you some combos

Because you're lacking in the damage department

[teal pivot]

Should I try to do ground shimmies combos? bc if I do it I only punish with a c.mk and unsure if I should fully commit to it bc its too fast to hitconfirm

ok got it

[foggy star]

Wdym by ground shimmy combos?

[teal pivot]

yea DI cant get me in anymore I tried to fill that void with knuckle or divekicks

[foggy star]

You can't hit confirm crMK

[teal pivot]

just stepping back out of throw range when someone tries to dely tech

I only jump shimmy

[foggy star]

Ah, yeah, it's a good time

What's your crMK DRC comb o?

[teal pivot]

thats about it

[foggy star]

Ok, your best one should be this

DRC crHP, stHP TC M arrow

StHP stHK stHK xx m arrow

Medium arrow

There you go

In the corner for more damage you can end in L arrow, M DP

L arrow M DP

But m arrow is always good because it gives you dash stMP meaty

[teal pivot]

I see

Am I too slow?

[foggy star]

Yeah you're being too sliw

I do the qcf after the first kick connects

[teal pivot]

k

yea got it I think I will try to lab it later

[foggy star]

In the corner you can swap arrow for either sa1 or 3

[teal pivot]

can you do the super again?

yea

I have this as a ender

[foggy star]

So this is your bread and butter DRC combo

You can also do H hooligan instead of arrow and the overhead or throw hits meaty

Hmm i think i have a better one

[teal pivot]

ok

[foggy star]

Which one did you do?

Yeah yours is around 2k för 3 or 4 bars

[teal pivot]

m

k

[foggy star]

För 3 you can get more

[teal pivot]

can you write it down XD

[foggy star]

It's DRC bHK bHK, m arrow, HDP/sa1/sa3

It's a bit hard but better

Since you can already do the bMP combo

[teal pivot]

got it

[foggy star]

You can also do this

DRC stHP bMP...

This one is quite hard, but worth it

[teal pivot]

ok got it will lab it out later

do you have a divekick combo? Idk how to hitconfirm divkick its too hard

[foggy star]

Yeah

So, if you get a PC you do your target bMP combo

Otherwise your jab

[teal pivot]

PC?

[foggy star]

Punish counter

The classic frame traps in the corner is 3 jabs into dive kick

Lemme show you

Try to crMK after my jabs

Block it 😄

[teal pivot]

I see

[foggy star]

So if you're playing against mashers

This catches them and gives a combo

fHK Aldo Works

But if they block you're fuckef

[teal pivot]

k

[foggy star]

So dive kick is better

[teal pivot]

yea

[foggy star]

I'm rusty with my insta dk

What's your di combo?

[teal pivot]

so you only hitconfirm from a divekick?

have to work on it

[foggy star]

Yeah

This one you need L arrow

[teal pivot]

but it was just s.hp and m arrow

[foggy star]

Otherwise the dp whiffs

Unless they hit high up

You can even do h arrow i think

[teal pivot]

I see yea I though you do s.hp m arrow and then h.dp for most damage

[foggy star]

No, the m arrow is too sliw

It works if I'm not blocking

But if I block the m is slow

See?

[teal pivot]

Yea

[foggy star]

Cool and midscreen?

[teal pivot]

basically

[foggy star]

Cool, that one works well

You can also do this one

Hitme

[teal pivot]

hit me

[foggy star]

You walk for a frame or two

Stmp bMP...

[teal pivot]

yea GO it will lab it later XD

[foggy star]

But if you want to use meter, yours is better

[teal pivot]

wasting too much time trying XD

[foggy star]

Because you can do this

[teal pivot]

yea after the c.mp drc right?

[foggy star]

Yeah

[teal pivot]

yea

[foggy star]

And this can be your big combo

[teal pivot]

yea so basically c.mp into the drc combo from earlier? got it

[foggy star]

Looping DRCs and changing the route

Like this

Assuming you don't lose timing haha

[teal pivot]

I see I only had the c.hp s.hp loop into lv 3

[foggy star]

CrHP crMP DRC crHP stHP DRC bHK bHK m arrow sa3

[teal pivot]

when they"re like 30/40% hp

[foggy star]

If not in the corner you end in crHP stHP charged arrow sa3

LoL I'm rusty

If h DP is hard

You can do stHP m knuckle sa3

[teal pivot]

the charrged one?

[foggy star]

Yeah

Ah, last combo

[teal pivot]

drc c.hp s.hp hdp into sa3?

[foggy star]

Yeah

Charging h dp

[teal pivot]

yea ok

[foggy star]

Can you burnout?

[teal pivot]

shoot it

[foggy star]

So, charged heavy hooligan, overhead. StHP etc

[teal pivot]

what is charged hooligan? XD

[foggy star]

You hold punch

Down and kick

[teal pivot]

whats the overhead again?

[foggy star]

FML

I lost this combo haha

[teal pivot]

XD

[foggy star]

Too much akumaing

Need to go back to lab

[teal pivot]

muscle memomry will kick in again when you're playing cammy again XD

[foggy star]

So this is it

[teal pivot]

so do you wait until arrow is finished then inputting qcf?

[foggy star]

Divekick on punish counter you got the bMP route.
DRC you to crHP stHP TC
In the corner
DRC bHK bHK m arrow DP

[foggy star]

Yes, it's not a cancel

And the second bHK needs to juggle at the highest point

[teal pivot]

Oh and If Ima far away should I try to close the distance with walking? Bc Iam always lost when Iam fullscreen trying to walk to half screen and then knuckle or divekick

[teal pivot]

k

[foggy star]

Yeah, just walk

Cammy is scary

They will try to keep you away, that's when you try to use dive kicks to punish their pokes

Or crMK /crMP DRC to punish them

[teal pivot]

okok

[foggy star]

Cool i gtg

GG's and let me know how it goes!

[teal pivot]

yea thanks for the sessions!

yea

[somber mountain]

do u still have room for one more student

I would love to learn cammy

[steel narwhal]

Sadly not David already has 2/2 spots filled

[somber mountain]

oof

[steel narwhal]

But if you have any questions regarding Cammy and etc we gladly help

[whole acorn]

@steel narwhal Hey just picked up SF6 this week, will spots open up for 1 on 1 coaching? Looking for some tip on where to start and best practice methods.

[steel narwhal]

Hello and welcome to SF6 and NCH

Honestly at the start I recommend just going through the ingame tutorials

Maybe look up one or two beginner guiudes

guides

and also

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L5hQoTEwKF20IFExQnthy9nVeB23CRuXVplkryvrOKU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

This is a GDoc made by one of our Coaches

It's there to give an overview over a character and learn the simple combos and such that will help you to Plat with ease

[whole acorn]

I watched an hour video on just using the drive gauge effectively and felt like i fried my brain, do you have a good beginner guide youd recommend?

[steel narwhal]

Uhhh shoot Ik rooflemoonger did a beginners video back when Sf6 released

But honestly I skipped a beginners video back when I started

Drive gauge management is resource management

and resource management is kinda tough

Esp if you dont have the experience

Basically about drive gauge management

Try your best to not be in Burnout

Bc your enemies will DI a lot

[whole acorn]

OK bet ill keep that in mind and focus on the basics thanks for the tips!

[steel narwhal]

Yw

For anything else I and my colleagues are here

[whole acorn]

im sure ill be around!

[steel narwhal]

For context I also assume this ur first fighting game yes

[whole acorn]

oh are modern controls worth using, i dont have a fighting stick just a ps4/5 controls and classic controls seem way harder to use but more versatile

I've plays DBFZ and some MK10 but never ranked on either of those this is the first im trying to actually improve past story and offline split screen

[steel narwhal]

1. Modern is viable and good yes, if you struggle with motion inputs it's totally fine to stick to Modern Controls. Be aware that you may be limited by it as you will have less normals and specials than just with classic

2. Controller is totally fine

some of the best players in SFV and now use Pad

So yeah use what you are comfortable with

be it the input device or ingame

Same for character

Pick anyone up you find cool and interesting

and hopefully fun too

[whole acorn]

ive tried most of the non dlc and found cammy to be the most fun/reasonably graspable

[steel narwhal]

Ah that explains why you came to this channel

I see

Either way yeah if you like her that's nice

[whole acorn]

ive had the most success with ken but i dont like the just straight brawl style as much

[steel narwhal]

Shoto playstyle isn't purely all Melee

You do throw fireball a lot

For screen control and such

For context Cammy is what we call a Rushdown character

It's the archetype of a character who is constantly upclose and on top of the enemy, annoying and attacking with strong Oki

[foggy star]

Longer term Cammy coaching!

Yeah I'm renaming this to be more generic and Cammy focused !

@whole acorn Welcome!

Since you're new, don't worry about meter or anything yet

[steel narwhal]

Yeah so long you can DI back is the most important part

[foggy star]

Jump on ranked and start trying things out! Have fun!

The character tutorial and game tutorial is pretty good

Some stuff in this video might not be optimal or viable now in season 2 after the changes, but 95% should still be valid.

Take it slowly it's a long but good guide https://youtu.be/zN7UaBCaT_w?si=0yc7VaDlZtd_3Vqn

At this point I would focus on two things:
Anti air with your canon spike, ➡️⬇️↘️🦶🏼

And learning your basic combo which is 2-3 stLP cancelled into M arrow

[steel narwhal]

Mista David

I think penguin will play Modern

[foggy star]

Once you can do this combo consistently in training like 10x in a row on both sides, you should start learning to "hit confirm".

[steel narwhal]

But yes still AA is core

[foggy star]

If on modern, anti air with ➡️ 🔺

[whole acorn]

gotcha

[foggy star]

And your combo would be autocombo 1

You can then go immediately to hit confirming.
In training set the dummy to randomly block and start trying your combo

If you see that the bot is blocking, don't finish it.
Otherwise go all the way to end

[whole acorn]

Ok cool that i can do, iwas messing with the bot in training and it had so many setting i had no idea how to even practice

[foggy star]

You can also do the combo i mentioned: light light light triangle

The other two combos are quite bad if you go until the end.
But you can do good combos using it

I think you can do:
Auto combo + heavy X2 then triangle

I honestly think that modern gets harder when you rank up.
I find weird having to press two buttons to get the moves i want. That's why I went to classic because the advanced combos didn't feel intuitive to me

I think I got to plat and then went to learn classic and stocked with it

But that's me, there are plenty of high level modern

[whole acorn]

Yeah i can understand that, classic seems great once you know the combos but for now im not even sure what the combo is meant to look like to know if im doing it right haha

[foggy star]

That's easy to fix though

There's also combo trials where you can see the bot doing it

Then you try

[whole acorn]

Oh thats sick

[foggy star]

But most of them are useless 😄 but good to get a feel

To practice combos, there's a setting "combo practice" where the bot will block if you fail the combo

So if you get a knockdown the combo worked. If the dummy blocked, something went wrong

[whole acorn]

ok ill for sure check that out after finishing the general and character tutorial

[whole acorn]

@foggy star So should my most used modern combo be the Auto Lightx3 combo?

[foggy star]

It's a good one to start with

[teal pivot]

Forgot to say this but still figuring things out so don’t need this weeks session @foggy star

[bold token]

Who's like the main Cammy coach here? Do you ever schedule coaching sessions?

[steel narwhal]

David and he does but just for his two studs

[bold token]

Damn I'm not one of the studs 😔

[steel narwhal]

If you ever want review on vods or need help I'm always here to help though

[bold token]

Thanks homie

[steel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tiger-woods-big-dog-salutation-what-up-gif-2478767235926945002

[bold token]

Here are some videos of me playing. I'm looking for advice. Just a heads up, I got a new controller that I'm breaking in so my execution ain't as good here. I've also been trying to anti air with b hk and b mp because of arthritis. https://youtu.be/REUS0D1t_QY

https://youtu.be/aPNvss9pgF4

[foggy star]

Heya, yeah the two original folks are without much time.
And now me as well.
I usually play on weekends eu time afternoon and some evenings eu time during the week.
So if you're around just tag me here and we can try some sets!

[foggy star]

3 things in order of importance to work on:
1- anti airs. He was jumping a lot and i didn't see a single DP. Only once you hit a bHK but didn't follow up. You can't let them do that
2- you jump LK waaay too much. Lucky that he also couldn't DP, but that will get you stuck. If you were doing that because you noticed he can't DP. Sure, but i don't suspect it was the case.
3- you need better combo routes. You could have won at the end on that combo you used sa3, but didn't because of the route.
You could have done the all in route: stHP xx DRC xx crHP stHP xx DRC crHP stHP HK target combo xx sa3 to kill there, for example

[gilded imp]

How do I get started? I am still very new into Street Fighter 6 and I only play during the weekend

[foggy star]

Hey! How far are you into it?

[gilded imp]

about 1 month in 😅

[foggy star]

Nice! Welcome! I assume you're on Cammy then?
Have you been playing ranked?

[gilded imp]

I haven't started playing rank and yes, I have been playing cammy 🤣 Shes cute

Where should I start as a beginner?

[foggy star]

Then I'd say, go play ranked!
Start with the in game tutorial for the whole game and her character guide

Are you playing modern or classic?

[gilded imp]

I'm playing Classic. As I inherited a haute42 controller

[bold token]

Thank you 🫡

I'm able to dp when they jump out of my throw, right?

[foggy star]

Nice! I have a haute as well

[foggy star]

Yes!

[foggy star]

Cool.
Then I'd start with a very basic game plan then.

Try practicing two combos.
Stmp, stLK xx M arrow
Lp crLK crLP xx M arrow

And start practicing your anti airs using your DP (canon spike)

[gilded imp]

Could you explain
Stmp, stLK xx M arrow
Lp crLK crLP xx M arrow

As i don't understand all the letters 😅

[foggy star]

Sorry!
Standing medium punch, standing light kick cancelled into quarter circle forward and medium kick

Low punch , crouching low kick, crouching low punch cancelled into the same as above

[gilded imp]

how do I cancelled?

[foggy star]

In training mode choose the combo practice setting and see if you can get the dummy down

You cancel by inputting the special move while your other move is happening

You can start by doing a combo practice of stLK into qcf (quarter circle forward) medium kick

If the dummy blocks the spiral arrow, you were too slow

[gilded imp]

Alright! Thank you so much for the tips !

[bold token]

Anyone have an optimal Cammy combo guide?

[foggy star]

Yeah

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tZCe08DQX_8e4JvbKoLjINUH6Cvojq_CyGdovVgg1U0/edit

[bold token]

ty

[bold token]

I already discovered canceling the spin knuckle into a super. I need to do that more lol

[civic light]

Hi there, i've only been playing cammy for like a week-ish, and i'm interested in improving more as a cammy player and want to try and get better with her, but i'm not really sure where to start

She feels like a really solid character, but for me it's a matter of "knowing how to neutral" lol

I'm not really sure what to really do while in neutral, i'm really just pressing buttons

[foggy star]

Her whole game is about getting a knockdown.
Because she is very strong on the wake up game

For that you need a few combos to get said knockdowns and approach the game

With that goal

[civic light]

Yep i figured, i mainly use two combos that end in spiral arrow that gives good oki, but it's mainly a matter of actually "getting in"

[foggy star]

Gotcha

She's very fast and you can abuse that.
Walk and throw and walk and shimmy are very strong

And you can also get a lot of conversions off of crMK DRC or hit confirming crMP counter hits into crMP

[civic light]

oh cool, didn't know that cr mp counter hit can combo into itself

[foggy star]

Also lp counter hit

[civic light]

what is "PDR"?

[steel narwhal]

Parry drive rush

Aka the normal drive rush that takes 1 brick

[civic light]

ohhhh i see, thank you

[whole acorn]

Made it to gold! but i fear using the auto combos is losing me a lot of damage after a punish

[foggy star]

Most likely yes

The autocombos on Cammy are quite bad unfortunately

[steel narwhal]

if ye drop a code we can take a more indepth look

But I am sure for modern combos specifically there is enough resources to find some bnbs

[languid ermine]

heres a basic cashout punish;

PC cr.H, auto+H xx DRC, cr.H, auto+H xx DRC, cr.H, auto+H xx srk+[H] xx lvl3. If the ender is too tricky for now you can also do auto+h xx qcb+L xx lvl 3 at the end.

as for meterless punishes, for your 4f punish you can do st.L, auto+H~H xx qcf+M. For 6f you go auto+M, auto+H~H xx qcf+M

basically whenever you do auto+H you can go into either the TC for meterless ender, or use DRC for a bigger combo.

[steel narwhal]

Omg sadtree came to rescue

[teal pivot]

Didnt play much this week bc of elden ring :( @foggy star back next week promise 🫡

[whole acorn]

How does one get a replay code?

[foggy star]

On the menu you go to CFN then replays

It's better to record the replay and upload to YouTube or similar

Easier to review

[gilded imp]

AMay I know if there's a video for these 2 combo?

[languid ermine]

i can record them real quick for you, gimme a sec!

heres the st.mp, st.lk xx M arrow. Very good combo to learn from okizeme situations since you can hit confirm the st.mp and only do the st.lk xx M arrow if you see it hit

and heres the st.lp, cr.lk, cr.lp xx M arrow. Very basic light hit confirm combo. You can pretty much mix and match between different lights for the combo too, st.lk is the only tricky one that you might have to practice a bit. Just doing jabs (st.lp, cr.lp) with one cr.lk in the mix is fine for now!

What I show at the end there is something you should practice too, set dummy to random block and only do the M arrow at the end if you see the first jab land.

[gilded imp]

Thank you so much! It really helpsx a lot with the video!!!

[languid ermine]

No worries! Always happy to help

[whole acorn]

Im sorry but what is "TC' and qcb/qcf 😅

[languid ermine]

TC means target combo, in this case the st.hp~hk (auto+h~h on modern), qcb means quarter circle back (214 with anime notation) and qcf is quarter circle forward (236 with anime notation) so they are the motion inputs!

[gilded imp]

https://youtu.be/-je7aTKQ_ps
I'm having some problem executing the combo .... seems to be very inconsistent I can't seem to get the input to execute corrently

[steel narwhal]

Can't watch rn but @languid ermine

[foggy star]

Try a basic part first

stLK into M arrow

Once you get that consistently then add the stMP

And try no to mash

You're pressing lk 3 times after the stMP. there's no need for that

[languid ermine]

i would drop the "try", just dont mash it. Its inconsistent by default

[foggy star]

And that's probably why you can't cancel

[languid ermine]

as you can see from my video example, the way I execute is:

Press st.mp, time st.lk afterwards and immediatelly input qcf+MK. singular presses for precision and consistency

starting with just st.lk xx qcf+MK is a good idea, get that drilled into your muscle memory and then practice doing it after st.mp

[gilded imp]

Thank you for the tips. Will try again tonight and not to mash it

[gilded imp]

https://youtu.be/YFailuRorfw
Manage to get the timing, but still can't do it consistently\

[magic axle]

Two pieces of this combo
st.MP into st.LK is a link. You have to press the st.LK in a 6f window, so maybe turn on the timing window display so you get a sense of what the st.MP looks like when you should be pressing
st.LK into M spiral is a cancel with a relatively short window. Start the motion input of spiral before you even see the LK start, basically the instant you've pressed the LK

Both phases are a problem for you @gilded imp
As others said, try practicing just the st.LK xx M spiral. Get a feel for the rhythm of the inputs. Treat the LK spiral as one unit
Then add st.MP, slight delay, LK spiral bundle

In training room there are both cancel and action timing displays

You could turn both on to see when you actually need to hit your inputs

[gilded imp]

https://youtu.be/ovFLPzFUhRs
Took your advice and I have been practicing st.LK xx M arrow

[magic axle]

Huge consistency improvements

[teal pivot]

@foggy star I am available after 6pm tomorrow you down?

[foggy star]

Hey! I might be around
Ping me when you're playing!

[whole acorn]

Made it to plat!

[magic axle]

Congrats!

[teal pivot]

@foggy star Iam on just write me. This time I will leave discord open XD

[foggy star]

I'm watching Olympics. So might not end up playing these days

I'll ping you if i end up playing

[teal pivot]

ok

[teal pivot]

the curse is broken

[foggy star]

@teal pivot I'm on!

[teal pivot]

constant dropping to g5 and p1 was insane for my mental

[teal pivot]

ok

[foggy star]

Sent invite

[teal pivot]

was too greedy

[foggy star]

And i lucky

I forgot my di combo

Lol

[teal pivot]

XD

[foggy star]

Long time on akuma

[steel narwhal]

Oh you picking Cammy for this set?

[foggy star]

Yeah

[teal pivot]

same rbaincell

[foggy star]

Nice

[teal pivot]

thaks to the ken XD

[foggy star]

GG's!

[teal pivot]

GG

as you see still trying to dp consistently XD

[foggy star]

So...
Some very key things.
You need to chill on the DIs and do more anti airs.
I got like 95% ins

And also, show OD DP on reversal

I was never afraid because you never did it

[teal pivot]

yea will do

[foggy star]

And i got out a lot with mine

You blocked it only once or twice

[teal pivot]

I see Iam just seeing it as really risky and costing 2 bars thats why I dont do it but will incorporate it

So aa and dp reversal other things to improve?

[teal pivot]

gotta derust the cammy or else he's going to the satsui no hado side

[foggy star]

And less jumps.
It got fairly predictable and the spacing.
Sometimes i messed DP input and did a fHK that punished the divekicks by accident

Your combos got way better! And also your oki

Could do a bit more

Of shimmy by walking instead of jumping

[teal pivot]

yea I see I also thought I am getting punished more got it!

[teal pivot]

Iam always so unsure how much I should walk back to get out of throw range but not too far to whiff buttons. Goota hit the lab for this one :(

do you have a few shimmy combos? without meter

[foggy star]

stHP xx h knuckle, stLK xx m arrow is your go to!

[teal pivot]

Can I confirm of off those? I guess maybe s.hp but lately I get a lot of value out of shimmy throws through block drc or meaties

[steel narwhal]

St.hp has hitconfirm window of 17F which is really tight

BUT

it's good at whiff punishing so

[teal pivot]

Oh and when is a good time to neutral DR ? When Iam out of range of s.hk?

[steel narwhal]

In a range where: You aren't right up front of the enemy and aren't too far away that makes it meaningless

like 2 dash distance might be ok

[teal pivot]

Can‘t whiff punish 😅 tried so often in lab its just suffering😔

[teal pivot]

Got it 👍

[steel narwhal]

Be sure to do Forward>MP+MK+Forward to avoid as much of the blue flash that comes from parry

[teal pivot]

So in the beginning should I use neutral DR for meaties that 1 dash isnt enough to reach and in neutral in unexpected sitaution and sparringly?

[teal pivot]

Got it 👍

[steel narwhal]

You should use drive rush for okis that it works for, if that makes sense

If I have some oki that leaves my enemy on a long knockdown

and I do drive rush jab

In a shitty scenario I might whiff and not recovery fast enough and get PC'd

[teal pivot]

Does it work for s.hp s.hk into msa ? Bc thats where my oki doesnt work

[steel narwhal]

Would have to ask David for that or Sadtree

@languid ermine

[teal pivot]

Ok

[teal pivot]

Long knockdown as in forced knockdown?

[steel narwhal]

Any oki that utilises Drive rush

[steel narwhal]

Knockdown that leaves you like 31F plus or smth

[teal pivot]

I see

[languid ermine]

Yeah st.hp is hit confirmable, it's a pretty tight window but pretty important if you want to play Cammy at a high level. You don't have to worry about it just yet though if you aren't used to single hit confirming

[languid ermine]

Yeah the range you usually want to play at is just around your st.hk range, you can threaten raw Dr, instant divekick, poking with st.hk or st.mk etc

As for drive rush oki, Cammy doesn't really do it. You can dash up for oki after spiral arrows

Midscreen you can Dr for oki after a forward throw, but it's a guaranteed invincible reversal in some matchups

But usually you just dash up for your oki, if I ever do Dr for oki it's more of a freestyle situation instead of setplay

[teal pivot]

? Isnt this a situation where I can DR oki? Can reach with one dash

[languid ermine]

Yeah you can just dash up

Maybe you can Dr for oki too, I'm not really sure since I'm not a huge fan of doing it

Paying 1 bar for oki when you can get it for free is a pretty tough sell, it's worth it if you can force some burnout or chip sequences but other than that you might just run into a guaranteed invincible reversal

[teal pivot]

Ok got it

[teal pivot]

Yea

Thanks for the help as always repun and sadtree and goat coach david

[languid ermine]

Np np

[foggy star]

in the context of the original question, you react to the whiffed throw.
If you see that they tried to throw, then you press stHP and go for the combo because it should be guaranteed, unless you're very far or late. But then you fix it by spacing or timing.

If you're doing this for a shimmy, you don't quite have to hit confirm the stHP, as you would when sending it in neutral

[teal pivot]

Ah ok so basically if I see something I can s.hp? should also work for a jab right? so I "whiff punish" the jab. or should I only do it if I see a throw

[languid ermine]

you cant whiff punish jabs on reaction, what would likely happen is your st.hp just gets blocked. Thats where hit confirming it comes into play.

If you want to catch people doing wakeup jab or delay jab you need to autopilot your st.hp to match their timing. Vs throws, or slower buttons in general you can just wait and react and then press st.hp

[teal pivot]

I see thanks

[teal pivot]

Hey @foggy star Iam going to be gone for 2 months for vacation. I‘ll be back at the end of september or beginning of october. Hope thats ok for you.

[foggy star]

Yeah,
no worries!
Enjoy it!

[teal pivot]

is this still open?

Im trying to learn cammy as my 2nd character

[steel narwhal]

David has 2 pupils and currently has less time in general for coaching, but any cammy related questions or alike are welcome here

Sadtree likes to help here a lot too

[foggy star]

Yeah, this thread is now more of general Cammy coaching! So feel free to shoot your questions here and we will help. And on weekends i can play some sets with coaching intent 😄

[languid ermine]

I don't take personal students but I'm willing to run some sets and give feedback too, or just general advice and tech sharing

[teal pivot]

I literally know nothing about how to play the character, so i would be learning from scratch if you dont mind 😅

[languid ermine]

Which character do you play as main? And if your master rank role is accurate then at what MR range do you play around if you dont mind me asking?

Cammy is rather simple to pickup especially if you have the basic fundamentals down (antiairs, footsies, importance of enforcing strike/throw mix, basic combo execution). You can play very slow paced and neutral oriented gameplay to get used to her really really strong buttons and work out more refined combos and setups over time.

[teal pivot]

Im a Juri main and im around the 1400 ish mr

maybe my mr is not accurate enough, but thats where i play the most