1700 Ken/Akuma/Ryu Player Offering Coaching

[sweet grove]

yaaaaaaaaaaa

boiiii

[gusty schooner]

why no1 told me this???

[shadow swan]

on P1

[gusty schooner]

hollyyyyyyyy

[sweet grove]

lmao

[shadow swan]

you wanna press the up button with the other hand imo

it’s even faster

like same hand presses up and punch

[sweet grove]

if u master this

instant 100 MR

guaranteed

[gusty schooner]

broooooooooo legit

i've struggled p2 side with dps

it's easier on p2 for me

than p1

ok i need to just do this for my next 100 games

[sweet grove]

damn ur ring finger must be goated

i like P1 way better

using middle finger and index

[shadow swan]

some people use this on p2 and crouching dp on p1

a friend of mine does this

[gusty schooner]

get this pretty consistently

[sweet grove]

[shadow swan]

ye bro that’s a 4f dp it’s so good

[sweet grove]

you know what's crazy to me

[gusty schooner]

Nah Jot done fucked me up in a good way

[sweet grove]

LOL

let's goooooooo

[shadow swan]

like difference between 4f dp and like 8f dp is antiairing a cammy ex divekick

still unthinkable tho for me antiairing a jamie ex divekick

[sweet grove]

anyways, what's crazy to me, is even if you master this and you can do 4f DP, cammy instant air divekick is something like 21f total to react to isn't it?

some bullshit like that

[gusty schooner]

you know what is HELLA nice about this way... no accidental level 1

[shadow swan]

my n1 enemy that divekick

[shadow swan]

also this yeah

a char whose insanely privileged at dps is juri

cause she doesn’t have 2qcfP supers

on ken is relatively fine too cause you get lvl3

and on ryu his lvl1 is fast

but akuma is pain

[gusty schooner]

Any other good ones?

[sweet grove]

u can do the air fireball one

umm

how does it go again

[shadow swan]

there are super ones but i don’t know them well

[sweet grove]

yeah the super ones too

but i find it's only helpful if you have qcb supers

[shadow swan]

what’s that i need it on ken lvl1

[sweet grove]

oh yeah i remember now @gusty schooner the air fireball is reverse dp input

down + forward

up + punch

but u kinda have to delay it i think

if u do it too quick

air fireball doesn't come out

[shadow swan]

isn’t that just a normal tiger knee fireball

[sweet grove]

hold down, then plink back + up twice, then your button

and you use your right hand for up

it's only slightly better

[shadow swan]

oh thanks

[sweet grove]

feels a bit more ergonomic cause you use both hands

and you can still hold block

as part of the input anyways

[sweet grove]

oh yeah it is LOL

i forgot that's not specific to leverless

[shadow swan]

ok i sleep now, ill defo send some vods here when i need help

i’m floating in 1600 rn with ken

[sweet grove]

👍

[shadow swan]

1580-1620

[sweet grove]

i'm sure you'll need very little instruction anyways if you've previously hit 1700 with AKI

probably just small things

but yeah im down

ill be here

[shadow swan]

thanks man

[gusty schooner]

We need to lobby more Barca

[shadow swan]

ofc man

remember that i’m always down to play if i can

[shadow swan]

this is kinda one of the reasons I dropped aki tbh but trust i have some holes in my gameplay

i don’t wanna elaborate too much tho cause it’s not a good learning topic

[mystic sedge]

how come we never matchmake?
I'm on 1480-1550 😄

Let's play later

And stop changing your name so I know you are you

[gusty schooner]

yeah i've never matched you Barca in ranked

i've ran into davidals a couple times i think

[shadow swan]

this game is region locked pretty much

you guys are too north for me

[mystic sedge]

Nah, we used to meet on your way to master with ken/me with cammy

[shadow swan]

also i don’t really play that much ranked

like max 10 games a day

[mystic sedge]

I should do that, then I'd be > 1600 😄

[shadow swan]

i really prefer customs

[mystic sedge]

My ranked journey = + 100MR in the first hour, -100 after that

[shadow swan]

and ranked to try stuff out and see if it actually works

ranked is very good if you plan to play a lot of tournaments

[mystic sedge]

but you're never on #sf_lobbies

[shadow swan]

ft2 practice is amazing

oh no i play with friends usually

[mystic sedge]

oh, I don't have those

[gusty schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[limber basin]

i know it's a niche and/or bad tool, but what are some uses for the command grab? i remember it being ok if the opponent is parrying the FBs because of the similar startup animation

could be wrong, tho

[gusty schooner]

Very true

it's a bit of a gamble mechanic but it has it uses

one is the above you just said

also if you notice they always jump it, you can gamble and guess they will jump on oki

and go for a DP or air to air

but of course it carries risk's as they could just jab check you and destroy you haha

[mystic sedge]

After a fthrow in the corner, you can do the command dash and the grab hits meaty. Or you don't to the grab and you can AA their jump

DR xx command grab can also work if you notice they don't check your DR but try to parry instead

[gusty schooner]

This is really nice because if they're jumpy you can jump MP and go into level 1 or OD FB or OD Tatsu

[mystic sedge]

Only if they neutral jump, but yeah

[shadow swan]

having a command grab is also useful if like you stun someone round 1 and it kills

it’s builds insane meter

[gusty schooner]

and above all

it looks cool

[mystic sedge]

The easiest cheese for last round of ranked ft2 is:

fthrow, command grab, DI, kill

both the command grab and DI hits meaty and are auto timed 😄

[gusty schooner]

I had this Akuma do the nastiest DI reset on me, was really nice

in the corner of course

[mystic sedge]

(And if you're playing against akuma and see the teleport, just backdash. It beats both the grab and the fake)

[gusty schooner]

he did FB, DR, bhk xx demon flip kick, stlk, DI

caught me sleeping real bad

[mystic sedge]

yeah, I'm easy target to DI resets

I really hate playing jamie and kimberly, they have some nasty ones

[limber basin]

dope thanks y'all

[limber basin]

question, i've been having a lot of success doing drive rush 5MP into 5MP5MPxxxDemon Flip chop

is that good, or are there better options? I know I should do 5HP and 6HP after drive rush

[gusty schooner]

I mean if you're having success doing it then keep doing it for now.

I tend to do something like PDR into 5lp, 2mp

and PDR 6HP, 5 or 2 lp

the combo you're doing with 5MP into 5MP target combo demon flip is a mental stack check really because they can just anti air you out

but if they don't then you're + on the chop which is nice

[limber basin]

yeah more often than not they tech the throw attempt after chop

[gusty schooner]

yeah chop is really nice if they block

[limber basin]

so far nobody AA'd me on the flip, but I dont wanna make it a crutch

[limber basin]

might try to do 5LP or 6HP after dr, or try to do those more

[gusty schooner]

one thing i do in the corner and i find it works A LOT, is if they block demon flip palm, do 2HP, and it will trade with a 4 frame lp... but the hit stun from your 2HP actually lets you get a full combo from it still

which is a really nice check for jab mashers

[limber basin]

not sure if I have ever done a trade combo haha

honestly i was thinking to add a shimmy after the palm

or even just doing 5LP 5LP 5LK or something of the sorts

[gusty schooner]

yeah i mean it's all RPS right, if you're +2 it's your choice what you want to do

if someone is techinh constantly, hit them with a shimmy

if they're not you can throw them

or a job string for mashers etc..

[limber basin]

mhm, yeah, anyway thanks for the help 🙏

trying to hold downback and observe my opponents more (or ig running my offense like that mentalstack check i mentioned) has been helpful, or at the very least fun

at least it makes every match useful to observe layer 1 as Akuma, makes them less "wasted" if i'm vs someone who doesn't jump a lot

[violet yacht]

Do you have a safe jump set ups. Or at least what's the frame advantage to look into when getting a kd

[hardy parrot]

+42 is safejump

+41 is safe to OD DP, you will get tagged by most light dps tho if you pressed

[violet yacht]

Thanks you can safe jump after target combo xx enhanced dragon lash right? Or it no longer works. Im trying to incorporate safe jumps into my oki

@hardy parrot

[sweet grove]

like others have said, its pree much a gamble but, depending on ur opponent and how they react to visual queues and certain situations u can kinda abuse it.

for example, in the corner, some people might twitch react and mistake it for DI.

u can also follow an air fireball with command grab if they are someone that responds to air fireball by holding parry.

my personal favourite is, after landing an anti air, drive rush for oki and then do command grab.

but if ur opponent is not autopiloting and is paying attention to your offense, it usually gets checked

[sweet grove]

do you mean as a blockstring

or as a combo reset

[limber basin]

blockstring yeah

[sweet grove]

if u mean combo reset, idk pls don't do this

okay yeah that's okay

just don't do it all the time

any blockstring you know that can special cancel.

u can pree much sprinkle in demon flip

[limber basin]

sick ty

[sweet grove]

it just extends ur pressure

[limber basin]

yeah i think ill limit it to the corner

for now

[sweet grove]

as long as ur opponent doesn't know how to deal with it tho

u abuse it

[limber basin]

yeah i'd use it after

like i get an idea on them

[sweet grove]

👍

[shadow swan]

high masta on ken masta

[sweet grove]

[hardy parrot]

Sorry jot ik this is your thread.

Kens safe jumps arent his strong suit, since he gives up damage for it. od heavy jinrai (all heavy followups, when grounded) gives +42 grounded, so does PDR st.hp xx heavy jinrai( no followup)

@violet yacht

[sweet grove]

no need to be sorry at all

this thread is poppin rn lol

didnt even read all of it yet haha

[hardy parrot]

The most common one youll see is after chin buster xx run xx tatsu, youre +43. You have to delay your jump by 1f or do it and accept not pressing a button on your way down

[shadow swan]

there is a sick mindgame if you immediatly neutraljump after

https://youtu.be/zaKJ07aC8D4?si=LmnmKHHZxLoZ-vJy

[sweet grove]

i always hated this one way too hard

i cant believe some people can do this fairly consistently

insane

[shadow swan]

i usually go for the jump after run tatsu if they dont have a dp

but like the empty jump makes you land at +0

[sweet grove]

but the aura it exudes if they don't know

and they assume it's a regular safe jump

[shadow swan]

a shit ton of people parry

[sweet grove]

bro when i see someone spamming parry as an anti air

lowkey a pet peeve

like i could have empty jump grabbed u

where are ur dps

hahaha

[shadow swan]

when i see that i enjoy my 15 mr

[scenic escarp]

when near the corner target combo into med jinrai no follow up (5mp xx 5hp xx 236mk) also gives a safe jump. If you delay the heavy follow on the jinrai exactly to the 23rd frame it's also a safe jump (22nd frame gives +40kcd, 24th gives +43kcd) if you want to get a tiny bit more damage from it.

But to be honest I only go for it after a perfect parry or dragon lash combo because those scale the combo really harshly, otherwise you're losing at least 500 damage going into this one

Sorry I didn't see anyone mention it and I think it's pretty common.

Tbh the only safejump I kinda like it's the od jinrai one and the fake jumps against characters with slow reversals

[sweet grove]

others have given great resources already but i will add that, most people don't even know most safe jump setups and there's no way to tell between +42 and +41 without prior knowledge

so if u find that u like a +41 setup, just send it and if they don't know it's fake then u can just spam it

[violet yacht]

@sweet grove @scenic escarp thanks for the info

[hardy parrot]

[scenic escarp]

[sweet grove]

@hardy parrot out here giving u the tech and u done forgot

[gusty schooner]

It's the name... easily forgettable

I won't forget you @hardy parrot ❤️

[limber basin]

after heavy tatsu midscreen what can I do?

charging h-fireball gets me clipped by ex dp

or is that acceptable?

[mystic sedge]

you can do dash meaty fHP, or dash walk basically

you might be able to time a sthp after dash walk, but not much more

[limber basin]

gotcha

[mystic sedge]

I personally only end in H tatsu if it will get them to the corner

[limber basin]

so basically just close the distance

[mystic sedge]

otherwise I do M tatsu or H adamant midscreen

[limber basin]

hmm gotcha

after h flame what do you do?

[mystic sedge]

2x dash stMK meaty
H Flip for a high/low/bait mix
2x dash walk jab meaty.
2x dash wait and punish throw/OD DP

And, I think 2x dash walk throw is fake, but it works after you conditioned them to block and not delay tech

[limber basin]

hmmm

[mystic sedge]

if the stMK counterhits, you can stLK xx M tatsu or L Adamant

[limber basin]

i think ill do double dash and rawdog it

[mystic sedge]

stMK on block there is a space trap, if they block and mash jabs, or even some mediums you can punish them with stHP

[limber basin]

ooo cool

[sweet grove]

ya i mean if they dont check it then u can keep doing it

but yeah pretty much what davidals said, i think ideally you get them to the corner with H tatsu

[limber basin]

the akuma 5MP 2LP 5LK string today is looking better!!! aaaaa

[mystic sedge]

Nice!
This one will be your best friend, you will never stop using it

[limber basin]

yeah i got the rythm kinda down, the success in practice shot up

well

compared to 0 yesterday haha

and AAs keep coming, should eventually shift to hitconfirm practice and be less risky

[mystic sedge]

yeah, NGL, every now and then I still mistime it, or do a crLK instead of stLK, but that's life 😅

but as long as you don't send a tatsu/dp on block it's alright

stLK xx OD fireball is pretty good also.
It's usefull if it would chip or put them in burnout

[limber basin]

yeah at least its hard to get punished for it

[mystic sedge]

And because it is a frametrap, if you miss the link by 1-2 frames, it beats their mashing

[limber basin]

i try to not think of that tbh haha

will just make me sloppy

[sweet grove]

hell yeah brother

best string for Akuma

I miss it after switching to Ryu

[limber basin]

ngl the only reason i'd play ryu is i love donkey kick

silly-fast fireball/SA1 and hasho mindgames

[sweet grove]

ya donkey kick is so free

forget footsies

just send it

but yeah that string on Akuma is so good cause it does everything

frame trap

space trap

you can get a safe jump if you cancel st. lk into OD hadouken

[limber basin]

it's safe oB too

[limber basin]

huh what the fuck??????

[sweet grove]

yeah exactly

[sweet grove]

ya if you cancel into OD hadouken and they get hit

[limber basin]

is this something recent or

[sweet grove]

immediately do tatsu

medium tatsu

and it's +42 advantage

[limber basin]

OH

[sweet grove]

for a safe jump

[limber basin]

oh ya ofc

[sweet grove]

yep yep

[limber basin]

i didn't know ya could juggle CH OD FB into M-Tatsu

[sweet grove]

just so many options out of the string

[limber basin]

is this new s3 stuff or has this been in the game since day one

[sweet grove]

day 1

[limber basin]

i feel so stupid

[sweet grove]

nah no way

[limber basin]

for not learning this shit sooner

[sweet grove]

lots of combo routes for Akuma

better to focus on just a few

the ones that work for you

and then u can slowly integrate more as u go

[limber basin]

well rn I have uhhh

5HK, 5MKxx starter for PC shit

and the EX Flame one in the corner

so a third one like that, for general-use that's not just to punish shit

could be hella helpful

[sweet grove]

why 5MK after 5HK?

on PC i think you can link a lot more

like St. HP

5HP

but when you say third combo, what situation r u looking for?

like on oki?

[mystic sedge]

41no?

[sweet grove]

depends on timing

if u hit confirm

and do the m tatsu early as possible

it's +42

either way

IMO nobody mashing on +41

nobody knows that shit

[mystic sedge]

Damn TIL

It hits at 42, didn't know that

[gusty schooner]

It’s odd because somewhere along the way I’ve stopped using this as much which is odd as it was legit like my go to combo that carried me in diamond

I go for crmp way too much and need to do this again

[gusty schooner]

What I’ve also started to do is use STMK more as a spacing trap

Especially in the corner, it pushes you away enough that you can often get a CRMP or STHP

Kinda feel like no one really uses stmk

[sweet grove]

yeah st. mk is a nice button

i was just starting to get into using that button before i dropped kuma

disjointed, cancellable

relatively fast

good range

i think it's best application is probably whiff punishing

but honestly i just used cr. mp for most things i wanted to do with st. mk, that's just me

faster

also disjointed

but slightly less range

[hardy parrot]

St.mk is the matchup dependent hilarious hitbox whiff punishing cr.mk's

Some characters itll clip the leg itself which makes whiff punishing cr.mk extremely easy, others you still have to do cr.mk yourself.

[peak burrow]

It beats it fr ?

[hardy parrot]

For an extreme example set juri to just cr.mk in the lab

And try to whiff punish it with st.mk with akuma

[mystic sedge]

Yeah i barely use it.
But it seems to have less range but being 7f seems slightly better than sthp/crmk

[gusty schooner]

I use it a lot against gief and Marisa

Really good for whiff punishing their moves

[mystic sedge]

Yeah those i do fHP or crMK

[velvet drift]

Hello. I'm not new to SF series, but was not playing for some time and want to come back. And i am searching for someone to coach me on Akuma,

[sweet grove]

ya i got u

what rank r u

[velvet drift]

Plat 4

[sweet grove]

okay anything specific u need coaching for

or ur sorta unsure how to improve

[velvet drift]

well i was not playing SF since SFV kinda broke my heart) so i'm a little bit lost in fundies of this itteration of game...

my weak point for now is fundies and defence

[sweet grove]

hrm okay

could you explain fundies to me

or what ur understanding of fundies is

that way we're on the same page

[velvet drift]

my footsies kinda floppy also i am an old player so prefer to feel framedata more then just feed it to my brain... for now i am at plat only cause of legacy skill

[sweet grove]

ya np

don't need to go too deep into frame data to get better

as long as u categorize things as "punishable"

and have a punish ready

so fundies to u

is footsies?

[velvet drift]

not only footsies for sure... i have small issues spread of all fundamentals... i am SF4 player in my mind still so sometimes i'm making pretty silly mistakes cause of habbits... i want to grind through stuff that i feel but can't describe correctly so that's why i am searching for coach

[sweet grove]

np! not trying to belittle or give u some weird lecture, just need to have an idea of what the word means to u

[velvet drift]

i want to be more consistent and fluent using game language.. i mean dialogue of attacker and defender

[sweet grove]

yeah for sure

i think for now, we should categorize 4 main "states"

if u look at the pinned messages

u can see my descriptions of them

we basically just need to have a gameplan that includes each of these 4 states

could you describe to me what your current gameplan is with Akuma

or at least what tools you currently use with Akuma

[velvet drift]

Well. if simplify 1 - try to not get to corner almost any cost, 2 - use pressure on opponent, if can't find a gap to enter the turn, 3 - make lots of damage, 4 - be patient a f XD

it's the basic gameplan for me on akuma

[sweet grove]

okay cool, those are some good general guidelines for urself, especially #1 and #3

#4 depends,

and i'm not too sure what you mean by #2

"if ca't find a gap to enter the turn"

what do u mean by that?

just so to clarify

[velvet drift]

after akuma rework his forward HP have less pushback, so i'm trying to utilize it as agressive buff more then debuff

well i'm not quite good in matchup knowledge for SF6 so i'm trying to feel my turn cause i do not know actually sometimes when it is

[sweet grove]

hrm, okay in these instances it helps to know at least if a move is - or +

even if u don't know the exact frame data

do you know what it means for a move to be - or +?

[velvet drift]

yup

[sweet grove]

okay so then

if you use F. HP to close the distance

it happens to be a move that's -

what does that mean to u

if you close the distance with F. HP and you're in their face

but you're -

[velvet drift]

that means that if we would change fasterst poke i will lose this turn

[sweet grove]

ya! even if you both exchange your fastest move (4f jab) you will lose

since F. HP puts you in a minus situation

so i think in terms of pressure and knowing when to take your turn, you just need to identify what parts of your moveset are +

i think the next step is for me to take a look at one of your replays

[velvet drift]

hmm ok

[sweet grove]

can you send me a replay and give me a breakdown of what you were thinking

[velvet drift]

i need to upload it to youtube?

[sweet grove]

u can just send me a replay ID

[velvet drift]

oh ok

wait a little

now i have only gief replays maybe i need to play some to send ya)

[sweet grove]

npnp

[velvet drift]

WELL

i've played some matches...
4BJB5SSBU

here cause i was not confident against rashid i was trying to play kinda safe. not so aggressive but not totally in shell

and cause i was not warming up i was not sure about combos at confirm so i was trying to keep him at neutral and get nervious

[sweet grove]

okay lemme have a look

before i watch it

is there anything more you can describe to me in detail

about your gameplan

@velvet drift

what are some tools you often use

what buttons

what BnBs

what combos

etc

[velvet drift]

hmm...
cr. MK - cr. MK to M tatsu or M adamant hand

cr. LP - cr. LP - Shoryu/ L tatsu sweap - M tatsu

I am using M tatsu for safejumps

My usual gameplan to get at comfortable distance and get opponent to corner... then try to bait himm and punish on mistake or use reaction check on pokes

corner then mixups and throw loops i suppose i usually use

i can give u fresh 2 replays of matches againsf plat 4 ken

his connetction was janky but maybe this will be more usefull

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this can be more representative

i relly a lot on HK button.... Cause of SF4 Akuma....

bad habbits

[sweet grove]

okay cool let me have a look

[velvet drift]

sure

[sweet grove]

Round 1:

93 seconds: Nice DP antiair! and really nice pressure afterwards when you go for the overhead meaty. You cancel it into light adamant flame for the reset which is not great considering you could have taken him to the corner. We'll see if this is a habit.

89 seconds: Not a fan of this DI here but, nevertheless great follow up with that combo!

Wow nice heavy adamant flame to shimmy and land the PC to end the game. You have good combos!

Round 2:

95: seconds: Yeah a really bad DI here. It's okay cause it's still Plat but, eventually these DIs are going to get you blown up.

Okay there isn't really much for me to learn about your gameplay here because you dominated him. Let me check a replay where you lose.

[velvet drift]

sure

gimme a sec

[sweet grove]

So I watched the same Ken set where you lost and I don't see anything too overly egregious other than some bad defensive options

honestly, with ur combos and your oki, ur looking pretty solid

r u NA?

it might be easier for us to just play

so i can get a feel

@velvet drift

[velvet drift]

dude

i'm on win streak wtf

yay

i lost

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here his neutrals was better and at some point i panicked

[sweet grove]

okay it's getting late here so i'll have to check this out tmo

but depending on how this goes, might be easier for us to play a set

[velvet drift]

well it's ok

we can play a set tomorrow

[sweet grove]

ya works for me

u lmk what time is good

[spring parcel]

Totally forgot that someone had adviced me to look here for some Akuma advice/coaching xd

[velvet drift]

i'm free so we can play

[gusty schooner]

yeah man, ask away or send some replays etc...

[gusty schooner]

Jot is NA, so this time doesn't really work for him, he's likely asleep right now haha

[spring parcel]

Well, I would have to know how to send replays to begin with

[gusty schooner]

Just the ID would be fine, if you go into replays

I'll send a screenshot

[spring parcel]

Aight, gonna take a minute tho. Doing smth atm

[gusty schooner]

top left, you can see the replay ID

[spring parcel]

Gotcha, I'll send one soon as I'm done with this

[gusty schooner]

Jot does often ask the below questions as well, helps him get an understanding of what you['re doing and looking for etc...

what are some tools you often use
what buttons
what BnBs
what combos
what is your general gameplan

[spring parcel]

(RNSFD8MWC) There ya go, one of my better matches I've had so far

[gusty schooner]

Best to send losses

i'll watch it though to see

[spring parcel]

Fair enough, lemme grab one

[gusty schooner]

All good, i've found some from your user id

[spring parcel]

Dangit, closed WuWa for nothing then xd

[gusty schooner]

ok, so it's typical beginner tips and stuff to learn:

Focus on anti airing people, doesn't have to be dragon punch, for now just use crouch heavy punch

Play around your strong neutral buttons like crouch medium kick, standing heavy punch, crouch medium punch and forward medium kick. All of this bar forward medium kick can be cancelled into specials such as fireball

For now don't stress about being optimal with combos, learning fundamentals like stopping people from jumping at you to get free pressure and counter Drive impact is far more important for now to learn IMO.

Learn some basic combos, i notice you like to do standing MP target combo, on hit do a medium tatsu or heavy tatsu and on block finish with a light fireball to make it safe.

Relax a bit more on defense, when you're knocked down you tend to try and force your turn back with a wake up OD dragon punch or mashing jab etc... blocking is fine and often the best option

standing heavy kick is great at a new level, as people don't tend to know how to deal with it and don't crouch block but be careful, if this whiffs you'll eat a full punish.

but yeah as a beginner focus on stopping them from jumping on you all the time, drive impact back and basic combos nothing too flashy

[spring parcel]

Yeah been working on some basic combos already, been practicing a midscreen combo and another basic one for corner carry

[gusty schooner]

Great! yeah doesn't need to be optimal yet, just enough to force some pressure and get them to the corner

[spring parcel]

Still struggling with specials tho, motions inputs be icky on controller. That's why I tend to throw random Shoryu's, they're meant to be fireballs

[gusty schooner]

What do you use?

controller

[spring parcel]

PS5 controller

[gusty schooner]

ok, yeah execution is a huge part, just practicing in training mode throwing out fbs and dps over and over again will help and comes with time

[spring parcel]

Can't justify buying an FG controller until I get better and actually enjoy the game

[gusty schooner]

yeah that's fair

PS5 is fine btw

nothing wrong with it

[spring parcel]

Figured

[gusty schooner]

Do you find that when walking forward and trying to do a FB you get DP a lot?

[spring parcel]

Just makes accidental jumps or fucked up specials more likely

FB being?

[gusty schooner]

fireball sorry

[spring parcel]

Can't say I do, I either eat a poke or DI

Mostly DI because lol low ranks be spamming them all day

[peak burrow]

Sorry to chime in but did you say forward medium kick cancels into fire ball ????

[gusty schooner]

No, never.

[gusty schooner]

where did you get that from?

[peak burrow]

Prob miss read

[spring parcel]

"All of this bar forward medium kick can be cancelled into specials such as fireball"

[peak burrow]

3rd paragraph

[gusty schooner]

bar*****

meaning excluding

[peak burrow]

Ahhhh

I was boutta say no way sounds too good

[spring parcel]

:p

[gusty schooner]

Also Bloom with fireballs, to prevent accidental DPs, if do the input from or you won't get a DP

talking from p1 side

like this

[spring parcel]

Yeah I tend to crouch block regardless

[gusty schooner]

yeah so just repeating the special inputs over and over helps improve execution and less misinputs

comes with time

but even top plays drop stuff all the time so it's not unique and is part of the learning process

[spring parcel]

Time and blisters on my thumb

And prolly some wrist pain, not that I ever gave a damn about wrist pains 🤣

[limber basin]

the string is doing a bit better, + today I hit some AAs that shocked even me lmao, very happy with myself

[limber basin]

@gusty schoonersorry for the mention, but the string should work also in the corner after CH 5MP right?

currently trying to improve how well i can loop that oki setup and making the dummy do wakeup 2LP

[sweet grove]

yo i love this

everyone helping each other out

we got like a mini shoto community here

[sweet grove]

sorry man, what rusty said, it's 5am my time when u msged

u kno what ill take a look at a few more of ur losses

and then send u a writeup

@spring parcel rusty's advice is solid. if u have any additional questions feel free to keep asking here

[spring parcel]

Yeah I got one

[sweet grove]

ur discord bio says ur rookie rank so if this is ur first fighting game, i recommend u also read the first pinned message of this thread

[spring parcel]

Which Capcom dev do I bully to make them remove or limit DI to once per round? 🤣

[sweet grove]

don't worry, DI will be ur first growing pain

[spring parcel]

Swear every time I play ranked my hatred for DI grows stronger

[sweet grove]

as u get better, counter DI will be automatic

[spring parcel]

I can deal with it most of the time by now but MAN does it get annoying

[sweet grove]

yeah everyone in lower ranks just spams it

but eventually it becomes less common

[spring parcel]

Just makes neutral so boring, rarely get an actual fun match with someone playing honest footsies

[sweet grove]

ya i feel u. but as long as ur opponent decides not to play footsies, its ur job to show them u can check/punish their neutral skips

but if u keep doing it, ull climb

[spring parcel]

Went up about 50 points from the session just now so slowly gettin there

Biggest pain point rn would prolly be anti-airing people

[limber basin]

i'm loyal to akuma

(until cody hits)

[spring parcel]

Ain't we all :p

[sweet grove]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

[spring parcel]

What?

[limber basin]

honestly i'm still learning to counter DI automatically (gotta work on structuring my offense + reactions), but a tip I can give (and others feel free tp cprrect me)

[sweet grove]

i switched to ryu lol

[limber basin]

is to watch out for them in the corner, even at the cost of eating some throws

[spring parcel]

TRAITOR 🤣

[shadow swan]

last ken supporter...

[sweet grove]

and use DI cancellable moves!

[spring parcel]

Yeah most people spam them when ur in corner or on wakeup, those I can mostly deal with

[sweet grove]

St. HP, Cr. MK, Cr. MP, jabs

[spring parcel]

It's the one's the people throw out in the middle of my combo/blockstring that really boil my piss

[limber basin]

as for in neutral, if they use DI a lot midscreen maybe use 2MK or 6MK less

in favour of other tools

[limber basin]

another tip is to make your offense tighter

[sweet grove]

or use them but dont finish ur block strings

[limber basin]

(im guilty of that too, tbf)

[sweet grove]

purposefully look out for DI

like for example, dont autopilot sending hadouken after cr.mk

do cr.mk with the intention of poking and fishing for counter di

[limber basin]

or dont autopilot demon flip after 5MP5MP like some aviary idiot

😭

[gusty schooner]

yeah it should work, in the corner though go for OD Adamant fist, crouch HP xx Light fireball, htatsu

[spring parcel]

Oh I usually do HK, MP, MP and then either HTatsu for corner carry or OD Adamant Flame if midscreen

[limber basin]

yeah for now I'm just doing that for the sake of making my oki airtight

[spring parcel]

Likle when I connect a poke

[limber basin]

that combo I got down

[limber basin]

5HK I'd advise against

like do it once in a match, and if they punish it stop using it

[spring parcel]

Yeah starting to realize that, shit is a DI/Grab magnet

[limber basin]

less that

more they just have to crouch

also

dont be like me and use OD Flame midscreen

H.Flame is enough and gets you good oki

double dash after H-Flame leaves you like +4 or some shit idr

[spring parcel]

Why not? Get's a wall splat I can follow up with drive rush MP into back HK, flip, divekick

[limber basin]

because the oki from that eats 3 drive gauges

[gusty schooner]

mid screen if it's not going to reach the wall i think birdy meant

[limber basin]

while H-Flame gives you meterless and strikethrow

[limber basin]

ah yeah

[spring parcel]

hm, noted I suppose

[limber basin]

if its hitting the wall 100%

[gusty schooner]

if you're close enough to wall where you can drive rush and extend the combo it's good

[spring parcel]

Yeah that's the only time I do OD H-Flame

[gusty schooner]

but yeah mid screen just go for m-tatsu for the best oki, hadamant for decent oki and htatsu for best corner carry

[spring parcel]

Otherwise it's H-Tatsu for corner carry

Also was gonna ask

The overhead from MK, that got any follow-ups?

[gusty schooner]

nope

in burnout you can do some kinda fake loop with it

but it's not really that goofd

it's mainly used a combo extender for some combos

[spring parcel]

Dang

[gusty schooner]

or just check people crouching a lot

[limber basin]

i'll forever be sad they removed the easy safejump off l-tatsu sweep 💔

[spring parcel]

Also can I just say: fuck airgrabs

My dumbass always tries to tech them 🤣

[limber basin]

it took me a longass time to realize not everyone has those

(....right????)

[spring parcel]

Mostly seeing it from Yuri and Cammy

JP has one aswell IIRC

[gusty schooner]

Yeah only some characters have them

Guile, Cammy, JP, Juri

can't remember anymore

[limber basin]

me thinking every chara could do was one big shock when i came here from +R lmfao

[spring parcel]

Either way they're cheap shit

[gusty schooner]

just land that juicy jump mp into level 1 or tatsu etc...

feels goooood

[spring parcel]

Nah, I'll continue trying to tech them like a moron coz I just can't seem to get it in my brain that I can't tech them

Honestly a big issue of mine, I can realize I made a mistake hundreds of times

Still gonna keep doing it xc

[spring parcel]

Jeez, Dhalsim is quite annoying to fight

[gusty schooner]

Yeah when he floats shooting a slow fireball is really useful

if he teleports remember you can jab him into a float state and do a DP or tatsu etc...

[sweet grove]

dhalsim is tough, i spent a lot of time labbing this MU

you kind of just have to concede he is going to control 80% of the match

and make it really count when u get in

if u need any MU specific tips lmk

[sweet grove]

@velvet drift Just watched your most recent losses against a Ryu named "RandomTrixie":

Round 1:

94 seconds: nice anti air! probably didn't need to be OD DP but good nonetheless

93 seconds: you press here after F. HP, let's try not to make that a habit because you're - after this move.

88 seconds: nice try for the pickup here. I think you meant to do DR St. HK but in case you didn't, that's the only way that was going to combo.

Okay so the main thing I'm seeing here is an over reliance on air fireball. It's fine to use it to reset fireball pressure (which you were doing) but afterwards you need to maintain that space and be comfortable playing within footsies range (outside Cr. MK). Instead you often just walk back and revert back to fireball war.

Round 2:

97 seconds: Okay so you do know the drive rush pickup here so disregard my previous comment from round 1.

Okay this round ended really quickly. Yeah you basically just had no comfort playing within footsies range and you tried to brute force your way in with jumps way too much.

Watching the next game you played with the same Ryu:

Round 1:

85 seconds: pressing again after F. HP. This move is not + so you have to block after this. If you really want to be cheeky, you can OD DP here if you know for sure they are going to press if you want to lean in to the way you're using this but, I don't recommend it.

83 seconds: need a better punish here!

40 seconds: okay this habit of pressing after a blocked F. HP is getting you killed. you have to stop doing this.

Round 2:

Okay nothing to note here other than that you basically got yourself killed trying to brute force neutral the whole time.

Here are some important takeaways:

• Don't press after a blocked F. HP. You are minus on this interaction.
• You rely way too much on air fireball and raw drive rush to get your setplay/offense going.
• You spend way too much meter doing random OD Hadouken when you get pressured in neutral.
• You need to be much more comfortable in footsies range using your buttons.
• I need to see way more Cr. MK DRC as a way to threaten neutral with buttons.

[limber basin]

with the 5MP 2LP 5LK HDP string, after a knockdown in the corner how do I loop it? im always too far for heavy dp to land

[gusty schooner]

Sorry birdy that sounds like two separate questions if I’m understanding it right

Are you saying you’re missing the DP at the end or asking what the frame kill is to hit meaty for the oki?

You should be right on top of them after the DP

Let me check when I’m home in like 15 minutes to find my oki setup

[spring parcel]

@sweet grove sorry for the ping but are you busy rn?

[sweet grove]

I'll be going to work in 1 hour

but i'm around rn

what's up

[spring parcel]

Playing some ranked rn, was hoping you could watch and advice me

[sweet grove]

can't really talk in VC rn cause my roomies r sleepin but i can tune in and give u some written advice

[spring parcel]

Anything helps I suppose

[sweet grove]

i'll take a look for a set or 2

[spring parcel]

Aight

[sweet grove]

i'm in 1on1 coaching

[spring parcel]

Curse these Queue times

[sweet grove]

okay

ur using a lot of buttons but i think u need to ask urself why ur using them

i don't se a lot of intention behind ur normals

nice jump in combo

yeah main takeaways are:

• work on your anti airs
• have intention behind your button presses

to iterate on the last point, I think you should limit yourself to using just a few normals for now, but having a reason why you're pressing them

for example, you use cr. mk and cr. mp a lot

but you don't follow it up with anything

i would learn:

• 2 DRC routes from Cr. MK: 1 on block and 1 on hit
• 1 way to poke with Cr. MK or Cr. MP such as cancelling it into Hadouken

the only reasoning I can justify you not cancelling your normals into anything

is that you're trying to bait out DI

which is fair

but other than that you need to be converting your normals a lot more

[spring parcel]

Just can't really react to when they actually hit I guess

[sweet grove]

you don't react

there's no confirm when you do this

you're choosing to send it when you DRC

[spring parcel]

Know some combos out of those buttons, just hard to tell when to do those combos

Also keep fucking up my fireballs xd

[limber basin]

the first, I know 5MK is a framekill to do meaty 5MP there

[sweet grove]

go into training

rq

Do this:

Cr. MK xx DRC Cr. MP

[spring parcel]

xx being?

[sweet grove]

cancel

so Cr. MK

drive rush cancel

[gusty schooner]

Hmmm it should be a straight forward cancel

[sweet grove]

Cr. MP

yes

whenever you decide to send cr. mk

and you have 4+ gauge

you should just be pressuring with this

now after the Cr. MP

do St. MP TC

target combo

which is medium twice

St. MP twice

yes

yes

then cancel it into H tatsu

yep

now set him to random block

now if you see that he blocks the Cr. MK DRC Cr .MP

just cancel into hadouken instead

from the St. MP target combo

yeah see how those 2 got blockd

to make it even simpler

just fully send the entire string

and on hit you do h tatsu

and on block you do hadouken

ur waiting too long for your Cr. MP from the drive rush

there u go

yeah

and when you see hits

[gusty schooner]

Are you missing the entire HDP? or just parts of it, sometimes you can just get 2 hits if you shoot it off late

[sweet grove]

you cancel the St. MP TC into H tatsu

that was good

but it was hit

so u should have done h tatsu

yeah

this is what u should practice

in this way

you have intention behind your Cr. MK

ur trying to get a combo on hit to take them to the corner

and deal damage

[spring parcel]

Lemme note that combo down rq

[sweet grove]

and on block you have a safe string

[spring parcel]

Couldya write it out in full?

[sweet grove]

other than this, if you just want to poke in neutral

keep it to just F. MK, St. HP xx Hadouken, Cr. MK xx Hadouken

and if you're baiting out DI

just St. HP, Cr. MK and Cr. MP

limit yourself to these normals for now

while you're still learning

You can do St. HK too every now and then

since you already know a few routes with this

yeah sure

here's the full DRC combo:

Cr. MK DRC Cr. MP, St. MP TC, H tatsu on hit, L hadouken on block

once u feel comfortable with these tools

we can check in and see what else u can add

focus on adding this

and better anti airs

and i guarantee ull climb

and when you practice this, keep the dummy to random block

[spring parcel]

well thx a lot for the advice

WIll do

One last question tho

Why LHado? Does HHado have longer startup?

[sweet grove]

less - oB

so that u don't get blown up

before the patch iirc it was completely safe

might be like -4 now

but i don't think anyone at ur rank is gonna do a jab punish anyways

[spring parcel]

Gotcha

Nah they all either DP or DI

Mostly DI because haha gud game mechanic

[limber basin]

sometimes i get it, i think it depends how late i do the links or smthn

[limber basin]

ah sick ty

[limber basin]

ok the string i can do it very reliably in training, didn't take as much as i thought it would

since doing 5MP, 2LP is more stubbier than 5MP5MP, where should I do it? after a drc5MP? for oki?

[hardy parrot]

5mp 5mp is solid on hit.

Can you recognize that 5mp hit before pressing the following 5mp? I cant, and so doing the 2lp gives another hit where we give ourselves time to react on whether 5mp hit or not.

If it didnt, you can cancel the 2lp into hado for some relatively safe pressure/damage if the 2lp hit.

[sweet grove]

This @limber basin

it's basically just about what you can reliably hit confirm

or if you're going to make a read on when they press and commit to a certain string

reason why 5mp 2lp is good is because it's a frame trap on block

and on hit it combos

but it also doesn't reward you very much because the full meterless combo is only 2.2k damage

so if you want more damage you either have to get really good at hit confirming (idek if it's possible to hit confirm a single 5mp) or commit to a string that doesn't frame trap but gives you a better reward on hit

[limber basin]

guess its a good excuse to practice hitconfirm now that AAs are a slightly less worry

[sweet grove]

just to clarify, you are talking about 5MP TC right?

Because 5MP is only +4 on hit

unless ur banking on a counter hit

[mystic sedge]

Anyone with some corner combos for resetting into DI?

I notice that other chars easily get me with that.
Like Jamie and Kimberly.
But I haven't seen that with Akuma often

[gusty schooner]

There is one i do Davidals, but it's kinda hard to land, you do PDR, back HK, demon flip heavy kick, stlk, DI

[mystic sedge]

Hmm maybe it also works from OD adamant?

[gusty schooner]

sadly not

the main way i've found it works is from PDR meaty but it's hard to confirm

also light fireball PDR into the combo above works

but spacing is odd

This kind of distance

if you land a lfireball and PDR behind it

you can land the combo kinda easily

[limber basin]

GAAAHHHHHH i did the string into DP 2 times in a row in ranked!!!!!!!@gusty schooner@sweet grove@hardy parrot

i feel so fucking hyped aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[gusty schooner]

lets gooooooooooooo!

[limber basin]

today i saw myself do it a bit more

that string

next step should be to stop doing 5MP5MP alltogether

[limber basin]

is throwing a fireball and then doing demon flip good? i was watching some matches, and I saw Blaz doing that and it made me think

[mystic sedge]

Hmm it depends?

It can be super powerful if you notice that after they get block a fireball they throw one themselves

Or that they're super locked in on doing DPs

So you can vary flip kick or flip fake

The conditioning and mixup is what makes flip great in some situations

Autopiloting firebAll into flip will get you killed because if they just block they can AA you or don't fall for the bait

[limber basin]

mhm gotcha, ty for the input!!

[sweet grove]

do you mean the TC?

i don't think you have to stop doing it altogether

it's still a good string

[sweet grove]

i think when it comes to demon flip in neutral

it really depends on your opponent

and how ready they are to deal with it

so if u test the waters

with different demon flip ranges

and they can't deal with it

then yeah just spam that shit

[limber basin]

yeah maybe just doing fireball more often at the end of it

i saw some pros do that too sometimes

[sweet grove]

yeah u would likely cancel into L fireball

altho iirc they nerfed that and made it punishable

like -4 or something

u could always just cancel into OD fireball tho

and be +

[limber basin]

but if spaced well

then its safe right

[sweet grove]

just checked

yeah u can space it

[midnight rivet]

can i get in in this?

[sweet grove]

ya ofc man

u looking for specific help or general advice?

[limber basin]

nothing feels sweeter than baiting a DP from a modern player with fake demon flip

i'm 100% doing that again, unlocking fake flip halped me a few times today

[sweet grove]

the classic

[limber basin]

why did these 5LKxxM-Tatsu not come out? is it really THIS harsh?

[mystic sedge]

You pressed during db

[limber basin]

yeah but i did do back + MK right

[mystic sedge]

Yeah, but the first one counts

[limber basin]

hmm gotcha

also, after L-Flame whats the strike button, 5LK or 5MP?

[mystic sedge]

stMP works

@limber basin your options

[limber basin]

JY6FMB4HP
RST3PNLYB

idk man fuck Ed, kept AA-ing me and denying my approach, felt very hard and challenging. Maybe should've used my FBs better but they felt too threatening and demoralizing.

i tried to do more M-Tatsu

[mystic sedge]

Yeah i hate Ed as well

It's very hard to whiff punish him and deal with flicker when cornered

[limber basin]

WJW8UKKK9
BMTTQXM6A

a ken set too that i'd love to hear some thoughts on

[limber basin]

i can't whiff punish people in general so not my issue

[mystic sedge]

I'm watching the ken match.
You lost the first round due to mashing on wakeup and dying to meaty.

On round 2 you got a m tatsu KD into throw. Then you did OD fireball. Why?
You could've dashed and taken your offense, instead you wasted meter and whiffed the fireball. Followed by a whiffed DP. In the corner almost always you want to use L DP. But that would probably cross cut anyway .
Then you mashed on wakeup.
And did a DI that was super risky. On Jinrai your answer is OD DP between kicks btw.

Then you woke up mashing again and got lucky he mistimed the meaty, so you got your combo into throw.
After you did the light string it isn't your turn, so jumping there wasn't a great choice but you got away with it

But didn't confirm the stMP target combo, and got a throw and took Oki and won the round

Also, that shoryuken making the sa3 whiff was lol

I don't think you blocked on wakeup once this match. And that got you killed

Lemme watch the second one now

Yeah, you didn learn that DI loses to jinrai and got countered again.

And again you did flip after target combo, effective ly giving away your offense

Ouch you blocked sweep and froze :/. Can't let them get away with this.

And you also need to learn some other matchup stuff.
If you block a low jinrai point blank you can just send stLK xx M tatsu for a punish.
If you block StMK åt close range as well.

@limber basin 👆🏽

[limber basin]

for the DP, I tried toe l-dp and in that scenario it would've hit, as for the ex fireball i was scared of him doing..... uhhh, i think some weird stuff on wakeup?? (ccont.)

[limber basin]

i think they went for the failed Lv3 into dp combo thing, which is just aaaaaaaaa lmao

[limber basin]

yeah i was told that they're both minus so i could take my turn back

[limber basin]

it's so hard to hitconfirm 5MP TC 😭

i autopilot it and just hate myself when that happens

[limber basin]

im scared of taking the throw then im not healthy, i guess, that and/or defense scares me ig?

esp vs ken which feels so threatening with this toolbox of options

[mystic sedge]

What's worse? 1k dmg throw or 3k damage min combo?

[limber basin]

idk when im close to dying both feel awful

[mystic sedge]

Mashing isn't the answer if you're afraid of a throw.
You should either delay tech or instant tech

Because you get caught mashing and then you are in the same situation again

If this ken had tight meatiest he would've won easily by just looping the offense with meaties

[limber basin]

i didn't even realize i was mashing

[limber basin]

ken has such an easier time on offense and looping it i feel like

[mystic sedge]

Akuma as well

[limber basin]

does he?

idk i don't feel that way, ken's feels more rewarding

[mystic sedge]

But if you wake up mashing, everyone will have easy offense

[limber basin]

all it takes is them crouching and i'm forced to do H-DP or light flame

[limber basin]

yeah idk, im not confident in my defense + im scared

i can try next time, but then i know and i'll do it too much 😭

[mystic sedge]

You can also use drive rush to force standing. But even so, H DP gives very good Oki in the corner.
Not the best, but still

[limber basin]

the issue is midscreen i think

i'd have to spend driverush

[mystic sedge]

But that's alright

[limber basin]

yeah

idk i can try blocking on wu more

should i do that vs Gief too?

[sweet grove]

@limber basin if you're having a problem with defense, it helps to take stock of what options you are using

what defensive options do you currently use

[limber basin]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-my-name-ting-tings-dancepop-alternative-gif-22009033

[limber basin]

uuhhh, ex dp, wakeup 2LP, and sometimes block?

during strings drive reversal too

[sweet grove]

whoops mb

tagged the wrong person

no delay tech?

no delay jab?

[limber basin]

sometimes delay tech?

yeah

[sweet grove]

okay decent mix

[limber basin]

maybe i do it unconciously/on autopilot

[sweet grove]

i would try to throw in some more delay jab

or delay button

[limber basin]

does that work at my level?

[sweet grove]

otherwise david is pretty on the money about teching throw

it depends on the situation

but u were mentioning people throwing you right

[limber basin]

i think i'll start by doing more

wakeup block

[sweet grove]

and how ur scared of taking the throw

[limber basin]

well

when im healthy it's w/e

the issue is when im close to dying

like around 44%

[sweet grove]

in situations where ur close to dying, i think it helps to break it down into how many throws u can reasonably take

or if ur willing to tech

[limber basin]

mhm got it

[sweet grove]

how much HP you would lose

if they shimmy u

[limber basin]

check for lv3 too ig

[sweet grove]

and you do this by paying attention to their meters

ya

if they have full drive

and level 3

ur pretty much taking the throw right

if they have 2 drive gauge

and 0 super meter

u can be more risky with your defensive options

and u way the breakpoints

maybe at 45% hp

you can take 1 throw

and u can take 1 shimmy

[limber basin]

im getting more used to using my own meter so i can try and do that maybe

[mystic sedge]

@limber basin here some options after DP midscreen

[sweet grove]

and still live to guess 1 more time

[limber basin]

oh so not dr5MP?

[sweet grove]

evventuall you shouldn't autopilot but, if i were you

[sweet grove]

i would start defaulting to delay jab, to beat meaty and to beat shimmy, and then focus on paying more attention to your opponent's resources

to gauge what defensive risks you can take

based off their resources and your HP

[limber basin]

so for doing delay jab i'd do what

block, wait, then jab?

[sweet grove]

same as delay tech, but jab

yep

if they meaty, you block

if they shimmy

your jab comes out

u can also do delay cr. mk or something

[mystic sedge]

stMP also work, but you also need to delay.
All of them are manually timed options. So pick what works best for you,
I use fmp fHP and crMK because somehow the timings are easier for me

[sweet grove]

if u think they'll shimmy too far for your jab to hit

[mystic sedge]

stMP is the best option on block as you're then at least+5

[sweet grove]

this way you default to taking the throw

[limber basin]

i'll resort to those two then ty

[mystic sedge]

This is what makes Akuma hard

He doesn't have a lot of easy auto timed oki

[limber basin]

mhm ok ty

[limber basin]

rip light tatsu

[mystic sedge]

But he's a high risk high reward, because if you catch them mashing you take 50% of life and corner them

[limber basin]

not me but yeah i get you haha

[mystic sedge]

I honestly think that since they nerfed l tatsu they should have removed the life penalty

Because now he became too high risk

[limber basin]

yeah idk what you told me feels good but

it doesn't feel fair compared to other characters

esp for me at plat

but i'll try to block/delay jab more

and see how it works

ty :all btw

[scenic escarp]

i watched these too and beside what people already told you about I have some ken things to keep in mind:

the ken did a lot of fake stuff for pressure like doing 5mp into 5mp or 5mp into 5mp into 2mk lol ken doesnt have any plus buttons dont let him get away with it if you can

drive impact after blocking a heavy dragon lash is big no no because everything the ken does there will beat di

blocked a mp hp tc and he's minus 14 after, I got a 3140 damage combo here meterlessly. There are some things that ken can do here to frame trap but you mashed 5mk here anyway so at least you couldve gotten a combo out of it.

really unfortunate sweep here after blocking the 2mk tc combo, the idea for doing a crouching normal to punish is good but could"ve done 2mp and gotten a combo out of it and easily killed him here.

[limber basin]

whats the MP HP TC?

[scenic escarp]

when I'm fighting other kens I always try to punish it the first time they do it on block if I can remember, if they show they can frame trap me there then I od dp or just block it out later

getting frame trapped for trying to punish here isn't the worst thing in the world and you get giga combo if you're right (low rank tip lol)

[limber basin]

hmmm

i can keep an eye out

ty

[limber basin]

whats the trick on hitbox/keyboard to do TK Air Fireball? it feels so damn hard man

[hardy parrot]

Tbh because of the minimum height requirement its easier to just jump forward and then input fireball

Tk input exists because in some previous games the minimum height was literally just off the ground

[limber basin]

is there any good use for it in sf6?

[hardy parrot]

Literally comfort for input

If you like it more and are used to it

[limber basin]

thanks, another question but what do I do vs Modern Blanka?

[hardy parrot]

Its not different than the classic blanka matchup, what part is difficult?

[autumn basin]

Wassup to all? Can someone point me how to sign up for coaching? I’m just struggling with Ken rn and at a plateau.

[hardy parrot]

Generally, hop over to sf_coaching and ask your question or ask for a replay review of a specific game. We can, depending on availability, also run sets and vc.

Ask here if youd specifically like advice from Jot, who is a great ken/akuma player for some more pointed advice

[sweet grove]

sorry fam im on vacay in montreal rn

will answer when i can

also my name isnt jot anymore

u have to say my name out loud

[scenic escarp]

I can answer some Ken questions, especially about combos and oki i know my stuff

[mystic sedge]

Same but for akuma

[limber basin]

everything 😭 my mental stack cant handle all of its bs

[hardy parrot]

The layer 1 blanka matchup is basically

1. Be able to, 75%+ of the time, differentiate heavy blanka ball and light blanka ball.
2. Punish light blanka ball with jabs (if youre late and he blocks its a-okay, its just your turn then) and hit him out of heavy ball. dp is most common.
3. On setplay, unlike other matchups you want to strike more often due to his access to a high reward jump blanka ball which can beat tech, delay buttons, and leave him +1ish.
4. On defense, if he has some fancy setup going and you have got the health to take it, i hold parry and take the throw lol unless of course the string ended.

[hardy parrot]

Have fun ivanna jergmenov

[limber basin]

what's the diff between light and heavy?

also what the fuck why can he do that fuck off LMAO

[hardy parrot]

Light ball happens immediately. Its range is short and is used more like a midscreen surprise to get into your face point blank to throw or mix you. If you see it tho instead or being defensive just be offensive.

Heavy ball has a lot of startup and he goes full screen. Antiair this. Its hurtbox is pretty big so even if you try to hit him with a normal it can work

[mystic sedge]

You can also PP the heavy ball, but don't try to pp the light otherwise you take a pc throw

[sweet grove]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

i have the humor of a 14 year old

[sweet grove]

ya i got u man

do you have any specific questions

or r u looking for something more general

[wintry escarp]

Hey, IL'm not sure if the offer is still up, I need severe help

I'm an exclusive ryu main. I need some tips on what to improve on

[limber basin]

wait idgi 😭

[sweet grove]

read it out loud

my name

[sweet grove]

i got u man

u looking for anything specific?

also what rank

[limber basin]

i did!!!

thats why i asked

hahaha

[sweet grove]

freaking gotem

keep saying it

[limber basin]

i feel so dumb i dont get it 😭

hahaha

[sweet grove]

lmaaao it's ok lemme break it up for u

i

vanna

jerg

men

ov

[mystic sedge]

Ngl

I also don't get it

Haha

[hardy parrot]

[wintry escarp]

Master 1400

[wintry escarp]

Yeah. Tbh. It’s the Elena match up that’s messin with me. And I need changes to my game plan

[sweet grove]

okay im gonna be honest, i haven't done my due diligence with elena so i can't really help with that MU

but if u want me to check things out,

describe to me a few things:

1. what you think your gameplan is
2. what tools/combos/bnbs you use the most
3. what you are struggling with

afterwards send a me a replay that showcases #3

[sweet grove]

it's a dumb joke

i wanna

jerk

men

off

[mystic sedge]

I always knew you were into that

[sweet grove]

LOOOOL

i got freaking got

damnit

[mystic sedge]

Attack of opportunity

[sweet grove]

is that a rare divinity original sin reference

or d&d reference

[mystic sedge]

Dnd

[sweet grove]

not fair my wisdom is only 8 so i failed the perception check when u told me u didn't get it

[mystic sedge]

I actually didn't

That's why it was an opportunity attack

[wintry escarp]

I go back and forth between patient and reactionary to an aggressive blitzkrieg.

I’ve been experimenting with using donkey kick in neutral at max range with spacing traps.

Options on my wake up. I think that’s been giving me the most issues. I’ve built a habit of delay throw tech. Should I try and break that? Or?

[sweet grove]

ya in general you should avoid auto-piloting any 1 defensive option as it becomes predictable. by cycling your defensive options you keep your opponent guessing on their offense

but, if you ARE going to default to a defensive option, i would say delay button is a good one to default to

[wintry escarp]

Delay jab?

[sweet grove]

not a lot of people check this option even at higher MR

ya or delay cr. mk

delay cr. mp

[limber basin]

oh......... yeah i could've get it lmao

[broken nimbus]

Hi. I just saw this ad. I’m a super newbie who just started gaming in general earlier this year and have been playing Ryu for about 4 months. Are you still available for the occasional coaching session?

[sweet grove]

ya for sure man

im at work rn but ill back in like 2hrsish

otherwise, we can always do things here through text

[broken nimbus]

Great. I will send you a Friend Request

Thank you!

[sweet grove]

is there something specific ur looking for or just a general gameplan/introduction as a new player?