Aki Believers Group

[weary widget]

I’m a terrible person

[latent vale]

I am not crazy lol, I have been trying for hours could not make it work with the kick

[slender bone]

cr.lp > crlp is a chain whereas cr.lp > st.lk is a link so the timing is different

[weary widget]

Yeah its a link so the timing is a tiny bit tight

[latent vale]

Thanks, I will try it later

[verbal whale]

wtf he wasn’t even crouching

[verbal whale]

just get past broski

[jolly idol]

after trying a bunch of the roster ive found the one I want to play what is a bnb that i could learn to play her? the one that ive found is (6hp>5lk>236hp)

[slender bone]

that will whiff at many ranges

CrLp crLp hp lash

sthk xx stance kicks is +4 so you can go into crLp or stlk as a route which leads into hp lash

StLp TC xx hp lash or hp bubble is also common

[jolly idol]

xx stance?

[slender bone]

cancel into d.pp

[jolly idol]

the slither kicks?

2pp k

[slender bone]

yeha heel strike is the name

you'll be doing a lot of that

CrLp crLp xx hp lash is the easy one
crLp crLp stlk xx hp lash is the harder one and has some range requirements so that it doesn't whiff

in #sf_coaching there's a pinned message with a txt document for the basic Aki combos but also pinned in this channel is bro ski's Aki guide

[slender temple]

Aki mains we out here am I right?

[fickle sundial]

We out here yeah

[slender bone]

Hikaru be streaming

he calls hp bubble as "tatsumaki"

it's funny because of the motion

[copper yacht]

Ken imposter detected

We see right through you pal

[slender bone]

[slender temple]

I dont play ken

[copper yacht]

I don't believe you

[fickle sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-lies-liar-gif-18627726

[weary widget]

@verbal whale did you know that 6.Hk can whiff punish hazanzhu pretty reliably

[verbal whale]

what really?

better then fhp?

[weary widget]

I think equally tbh

The only times I didn’t get punish was cause I was to early

And even then it was counter hit

[verbal whale]

it’s good tech to have

the hard part is making hasanzhu whiff

[weary widget]

Well that’s true but you never know

[crude path]

I just watched in Broski's latest vid that, after landing OD Fireball as a frametrap after stMP, he used crHP as a weird framekill?

im gonna really quickly see what the numbers are on that after I finish my tea (and this video)

thats the first time I've seen that and def the first time I saw Broski do it

[crude path]

@slender bone Ive done something in the lab and idk how and now I can't replicate it and Im so confused

[slender bone]

I haven't looked

[crude path]

no like

I'm messing with OD fireball

and I swear to god I got a +50 KD

so I continue testing

and now everytime I get a KD with OD fireball, it's +45

and idk what caused it to be +50 the first time

[slender bone]

So with respect to KDs, grounded ones are set
certain juggles are set
some air juggles will be semi-random
so that'll affect it

but if it's the same setup, it shouldn't vary unless something else happened

[crude path]

the thing is that I didnt test jump initially

but I swear like 3 different times I got +50

on CH twice, and on pre-jump frames

because the gap is too tight to hit airborne if the opponent hits up

now under the same conditions, with and without being cancelled from stMP

its always +45

and I thought "is it because he's not back-rolling now?" and I knew that couldn't be true cuz backroll doesnt increase recovery time and I was right

but anyway

OD fireball gives a +45 KD

so Broski is framekilling with crHP (40f) to leave himself +5 and slightly closer

im gonna test what the oki is after, if any

also

stMP xx fireball makes a 3f gap (-10 oB)

stMP xx OD fireball leaves only a 2f gap (+1 oB)

[crude path]

okay so

after OD Fireball > crHP, you can meaty the opponent with:

• stMP
• stMK
• crMK
• crMP

you can use normals too and they'll land late, but they're not good because of the spacing and not necessary cause you can just go straight to your mediums for better damage if they mash

stMK allows you to link into stMP because the range isnt too great, and if they block you can do it again to spacing trap

stMP gives you H Whip or M Whip on normal hit but on CH you can get stance ~K and still get the same blossom follow-ups after with stLK, depending on if they're crouched or standing, and if they block it you can DRC ~ stMK (3f gap) to be +2 point-blank and force another guess, or DRC ~ crMK (2f gap) to be +5, and both let you link into stHK if they mash or hold up or you can frametrap with fireball again

[slender bone]

can you single hit confirm st.mp tho

[crude path]

likely not, the easier combo is just fireball xx chaser

well

hang on

yeah no

the cancel window and hit-advantage is too small

it's easier to do fireball cuz it frametraps on block and comboes on hit

[slender bone]

ye so you probably want to DR or just send fireball

[crude path]

maybe if I was less tired and locked-in with a real match I could do it

anyway, I was writing about crMK, which I was gonna say might be the weakest but it's probably tied for crMP

the problem with crMK is that, if they walk back, and crMK is the only button here that punishes that, you can't follow-up with anything again

you're +5 at max range, too far for stLK and not plus enough for stMP

however, if they block it, you're +1, and you can still frametrap with stLK (+5) and crLP (+6)

crLP is better cuz +6 means you can link into stMP, and stMP means you can do M whip if they're standing or DRC into stMK into etc etc

the only advantage to stLK is that you can immediately go into M whip but only if they're standing, which most characters wont be because crouch jab is their 4-framer

crMP means that you can link into OD whip on normal hit and stance ~K on counter-hit just like stMP, but crMP also has the benefit(?) of creating a true blockstring when you do DRC ~ stMK/crMK

maybe not an objective benefit because it removes the chance of the opponent mashing in that gap and giving you the juicy DR ~ stMK/crMK starter

Denzel if you're still reading can you guess the #1 problem with this frame kill set up

before any of these meaty options come into play

[slender bone]

+5 at max range?

[crude path]

max range because the opponent did...?

[slender bone]

hold on let me read again because I'm not really sure if the setup has changed

[crude path]

nope same set up, but the opponent is doing one thing that they should always do anyway

[slender bone]

back walk but I thought you were in the corner

[crude path]

roll backwards

all the stuff I said before only works in the corner or mid-screen if they don't roll back

[slender bone]

yeah I assumed all of this was corner and not midscreen because there's a lot of different issues with setups if they are midscreen

[crude path]

they should all work anyway

[slender bone]

more often than not, midscreen you either do specific enders or just manually timed DR

[crude path]

I think crMK would be monumentally better at corner

cuz point-blank

lemme try that rn

wait hang on you can't do this in the corner

because OD fireball > sweep is a combo in the corner

yeah it juggles and it makes you +31

lemme see if this stops happening without CH

yeah no it doesn't

that's still good to know cuz I was starved for a follow-up after OD fireball in the corner to stuff projectile-vulnerable reversals

@slender bone this is a mid-screen, stationary recovery-only set-up

[slender bone]

not worth it then

[crude path]

usually not, but still fun to mess around with

[slender bone]

I'm a big practicality guy so I wouldn't do it

[crude path]

but now I also need to mess around with what to do after that +31 situation

okay so we've thrown DR~ out of the window

because DR~ anything is too fast

[slender bone]

manual timing

[crude path]

im gonna try fHK and see if I can find an auto-timed thing for that

otherwise I'll just use manually timed crMK or stMK

[slender bone]

probably nothing great

[crude path]

okay here we go

stand jab, DR ~ stMK

if you do it right, that hits on the 1st frame they're vulnerable

if you use DR~ crMK, it should hit on it's 2nd active frame, again assuming you do it right

[crude path]

stLK, fHK

the 1st kick hits them on the 2nd frame they're vulnerable

if you use crLP or stLP they can jab you between the 2 hits

[crude path]

this becomes MUCH easier to do if you do the instant DR trick (66 > DParry)

inputting 66 on a whiffed DR cancellable move instead buffers a forward dash (unless you input the 66 with ungodly speed or you're literally mashing stand jab and 6)

instead of causing you to DRC the stLP instead of DRing as soon as the attack is over

[slender bone]

lots of effort

[crude path]

anything for accuracy

oh yeah and even on trade, you can be as much as +12 with crMK vs crLP

you literally have enough advantage to do an objectively worse combo with stHP, if you so choose

new revelation

you can do a safejump after OD fireball xx chaser

and you can do it after normal fireball xx chaser too

okay not after normal fireball

if you do OD fireball without the follow-up, you get a weird reverse fake-safejump

it's safe against DPs but doesn't hit mashing

also, it's not preferable at all to H whip and it's okizeme because of OD Fireballs increased knockback

if they roll back, no safejump

it's only good in the corner if you JUST used OD Fireball to stuff out a projectile-vulnerable reversal

if they do an SA1, and you've thrown OD fireball, I've found that the super freeze sometimes lets you freely hitconfirm into chaser, so you can continue your offense after at no extra expense

okay so on OD fireball, instead of going into chaser, you can juggle into M whip and that will let you juggle into DR ~stMP xx OD Cruel fate then into a super of your choosing

or you can do M whip DR ~stHK xx stance ~P

and if you have no drive, you can do M whip into SA1 or SA2, or L whip xx SA3

another fun fact, you can make it so OD fireball will hit meaty on the opponents wake up after a spaced normal fireball xx chaser

[crude path]

there is probably a more optimal route here this cuz you can also do DR~ stMP xx stance ~K, or you can do DR~ crMK too which makes it easier to time the stance ~K because somtimes it drops from stMP

you can also directly link the OD fireball into supers too

if you need to use them asap in order to burn out the opponent

PC OD fireball into SA2 will steal 1.5 bars, which is pretty good knowing the okizeme SA2 gives you afterward

or you can do Fireball > M whip then go into any super, because you can tack on more damage without sacrificing any drive-steal

Ive already turned off the game so I cant test this now, but if you wanna do that last thing into SA3, I think you'll have to do L whip beforehand otherwise you'll whiff SA3 if you super-cancel the M whip and without it you'll have to manually time it, but that might reduce your drive-steal by a little bit

[slender bone]

I'm too lazy for all of that

[crude path]

Tl;dr: OD fireball is much better than I first thought for offense

Last thing that I didn't lab, AKI can do DI after M Whip TB or OD Whip grounded TB

You just need to do OD/M Whip, DR~ stHK xx DI

I didn't lab it but I saw Broski do it in a vid

[verbal whale]

yeah you can

very good

[fickle sundial]

@crude path Do you know by chance why Hikaru sometimes use PDR cr.LK instead of cr.MK in neutral

I notice that lot

Hes going for the toes but not with cr.mk

[verbal whale]

links to stmp on hit, gives the +2 trade on block if they mash, has very good range and it’s very fast

[fickle sundial]

I see

I'd likely just autopilot to cr.MK

[verbal whale]

tbh it also links to crmk too on hit

so it’s very good to catch walk backers

[fickle sundial]

Isn't cr.MK oB with PDR +5

[verbal whale]

it is

but aki dr crlk has a weird momentum tbh

also checking dr light is harder

[fickle sundial]

hm yeah then I would likely just autopilot for crmk and focus on other stuff

[fickle sundial]

valid

[verbal whale]

ye it’s not a big deal

lemme read rq what colossus was talking about before

[verbal whale]

it’s +45 or +46 iirc, if you press and they mash you should get PCd too

but ye the reason ex fireball is so good it’s cause it’s +ob

[fickle sundial]

you reset and pressure them again

Hikaru loves to do that when the enemy is in burnout and in the corner

[verbal whale]

ye it’s just +1 tho

[fickle sundial]

ah yeah explains why hikaru mostly does it in burnout stuff

+5f oB just like that

and having to guess if he is gonna DI or not too

strong pressure for the enemy

[crude path]

at point-blank with burnout advantage, ye

i.e: that's the minimum advantage

[verbal whale]

i stole this from hikaru, it's pretty good cause the damage is high and the combo is long enough to make it cost almost just 1 bar of drive

[slender bone]

oh that's kind of nice

[fickle sundial]

right Hikaru likes to juggle with ex fireball for some reason

[latent vale]

Thx guys

[verbal whale]

i can see the uses

[fickle sundial]

Idk to me it's just style points

[verbal whale]

hikaru does a lot of things that arent that common tbh, id love to know the resoning behind them

[fickle sundial]

I prefer ex Whip for combo extension

[verbal whale]

ye but ex whip doesnt combo from stlk

ex whip is crazy good but a bit hard to get

you need PC stmp or crmp

[fickle sundial]

right PC st.mp

I got weirded out once so hard

[verbal whale]

or sthk ofc

[fickle sundial]

Bc you can do heels after pc st.mp

[verbal whale]

ye even after CH

[fickle sundial]

it just looked orthordox to me

I am not sure what is really better between another st.mp or heels

[verbal whale]

do you want an extremely niche piece of tech with it

[fickle sundial]

Aight come on

tell me mister number 1 italian aki

[verbal whale]

if you PP a crlp you can go stMP xx stance kicks, crlp crlp crlp xx Hwhip and the safejump will always land in front

its a very specific case

[fickle sundial]

Ah cool

midscreen tho?

[verbal whale]

yes

[fickle sundial]

wowie

thats cool

[slender bone]

neat

[verbal whale]

helps a lot against people who know aki safejump situations and try to quickrise to fuck up your safejump

but you fuck them up

[fickle sundial]

Its really cool that you can extend this even further into the classic corner shenanigans

[verbal whale]

the ex fireball is practically free

in terms of drive spend

its very good

[fickle sundial]

Yeah Ifeel like

the more DRCs you use that aren't the xx drcs from st.hk in the corner

the less profficient you are as an aki main

Like I rarely ever see Hikaru go for drcs

[verbal whale]

i mean max damage is still from 2 drcs

she has a lot of ways to mitigate drive spending tho

japan has a very reserved drive usage

[slender bone]

burnout sucks BALLS

[fickle sundial]

thats the best thing you ever said

Burnout is not fun

[verbal whale]

wdym always go to burnout! -aki player

[slender bone]

It needs to be there based on how the game is but I think there's too many things that destoy drive

[fickle sundial]

Idk man Zangief is just insane at that

[slender bone]

burnout should suck for the defender but I feel like we get there too quickly

[fickle sundial]

Depends I have a feeling for most players and in most cases the player just wastes a lot of drive gauge

[slender bone]

I think we have to balance it against old stun

Getting hit too many times made you lose faster
Blocking too long gets you in a bad position (but it's faster than I would like)

[lusty drum]

are there any good frame traps for aki?

[fickle sundial]

St.lp TC

That's a simple one

[lusty drum]

also I'm trying to mix up my offense a bit more, my muscle memory always wants to go into stance kicks and I keep putting myself -3 in their face like a dingdong

[fickle sundial]

You can also do bubble

Qcb HP

[lusty drum]

like delayed TC or TC into something else? I usually do heavy bubble

[fickle sundial]

The TC itself frame traps

[lusty drum]

oh neat

[fickle sundial]

Pdr cr.MK into St.MP is also a frametrap

St.mk works too for that matter

[lusty drum]

I did not know that, I already do cr.mk into st.mk a lot

I've been playing by feel for too long lol

[verbal whale]

my favorite one is crmk stlk

[lusty drum]

without drive rush right? cause of +1?

[fickle sundial]

Yeah

Which goes into ex fireball

Which you then can extend

[lusty drum]

okay i'm gonna try that too

[fickle sundial]

.

[verbal whale]

ye you can also confirm the CH stlk into stlp TC

[lusty drum]

I don't use ex fireball often enough beyond drive rushing behind one

okay thanks these give me ideas

[verbal whale]

ex fireball is +1 ob, its good

also if you are like roughly here you can cancel it from stmp or sthk and make it super plus

like +5 or +10

[lusty drum]

good to know

[lusty drum]

Man I keep feeling like crmp reaches farther than it does lol

[slender bone]

I almost never use that button personally

[crude path]

@slender bone how do you anti-air Zangief?

he's always somehow just out of reach

[slender bone]

You've asked this question before

the answer has not changed

[crude path]

ive forgotten what it is

[slender bone]

all of Aki's AAs work in the range they are supposed to work in
Zangief doesn't have a jump altering move so he's not any different to AA compared to someone like Manon

If you're unsure of the range of where he's jumping then you might run into problems trying to AA

[crude path]

wdym unsure of the range

like, I know the range at which when someone jumps, I can AA them

but its whenever he jumps at me, he always falls short of my AA

so if I try to do stHK, he can land and whiff punish me with SPD

or if I do H whip, he lands and does DI

[slender bone]

You probably want to actually review those matches and look at the range where your AAs miss

I assure you that if hp lash is whiffing, st.hk and cr.hk probably also will be really close to missing

[verbal whale]

crhk very consistent vs gief

[crude path]

the one with the least reward...

[verbal whale]

wtf

stopping the jump is the reward

and if you can confirm the CH you get a super too

[crude path]

how do you move away from Chun-li?

[weary widget]

HOW?

[crude path]

I meant without PC

Because if you PC then you get a juggle combo

But with stHK on normal hit you can cancel into a fireball and it'll meaty the opponent on landing or puddle for guaranteed poison

[slender bone]

why are you thinking about additional reward instead of like...not eating 3000 damage and having to hold a mix?

[crude path]

well, all 3 anti-airs achieve that, right?

[slender bone]

yes

and that's the most important part about AAs

additional benefit is secondary

if you can't get the primary use, additional benefit is meaningless

[latent vale]

Hi any of you use leverless with aki ?

I have a 16 button leverless and with her i have a lot of non use button, i think it's pretty normal vut maybe i can find an use for the button 🙂

[verbal whale]

i do and i don’t have all buttons mapped

i just have Parry and DI

[fickle sundial]

I have it similarly to Barca

[latent vale]

Thx guy's 🙂

[jolly idol]

add a button for 2 punches maybe for stance?

[dreamy zinc]

👀 i remapped one of my buttons to Mp Hp

[slender bone]

I play on 8 button stick, mapped 2 buttons to parry and di and don't use either of them anyway

[copper yacht]

@austere sedge

[crude path]

https://vxtwitter.com/broskiFGC/status/1838487472440819817?t=cFdeYkpBEIL66wW1y_gPPA&s=19

[crude path]

I wanted to mess with this ^^ new thing

and I think we can optimise the Jamie Super 1 punish even further

because currently there's a gap in Jamie's super that, if you jump it makes him -70 (when you land) while still doing the animation

which is enough time to place a puddle and punish with OD whip

so you can do OD whip for the blossom, then the puddle will re-poison and you can go into stHK for a standing hit and let your imagination do the rest

the same would also apply to Manon SA2 and Gief SA3

the best I can find now for midscreen is:
Place Puddle, OD whip (PC + TB), stHK xx Stance ~K, crLP, crLP, stLK xx M Whip (TB), DR ~ stHK xx stance ~K xx SA3

that's without spending extra drive on like DRC

it leaves you at a deficit of just 0.6 bars from what you started with, plus you can parry the first part of Jamie's super for extra meter

you can opt to change the final stance ~K into just SA2 or SA1, SA2 being the one I recommend because of the better damage, corner carry OR oki based on which version you choose and your distance from the corner

you can take Jamie 65% across the entire screen if you use H SA2 in the route I said

[crude path]

Has Aki been buffed in every single balance patch since she was added??

[verbal whale]

yes

[crude path]

AKI sweep is real then

[latent vale]

HI EVERYONE

I have a question i am trying toi finish the combo trials for aki

and i have one issue, i cannot manage to like 2LP into Light LVL2

the end in particular

[slender bone]

the easiest why I do it is
xx

exactly like this

[latent vale]

Thanks i will try it 🙂

i am getting better and better i am having so muc h fun with her

i am platine 1

[slender bone]

nice

[somber knot]

im a d3 tryna pick her up, she feels complex with all these routes so i wanted to know whats her optimal buttons and gameplan? i was told fireball drive rush nd stuff. Also when she does ex whip how come she doesnt do the followup?

[fickle sundial]

She does the follow up only if they were poisoned before the ex whip iirc

[somber knot]

OHHH that makes sense

i thought i had to push a button😂

[fickle sundial]

Also Aki is complex yes

but

you can simplify

a lot \

you dont need crazy routes

Ask Denzel over here he made it to master with more basic stuff and good game sense @slender bone

[somber knot]

sounds good, im tryna just go through ranked w basic stuff eitherway

i dont kno anything crazy i kinda free flow

off of what i see other aki’s do lol

[fickle sundial]

do you already Hikaru

Or Broski

[somber knot]

i watch more broski

i’ll try to show a replay later on to get a better idea of how i use her

[verbal whale]

ask denzel for the easy stuff

ask me for the crazy routes

but regarding gameplan with aki you want to be annoying in the midrange with your buttons and after you score a KD start pressuring like crazy. Her good buttons are stmp, stmk, crhk, crmk, she has her light whip which is an amazing poke and super annoying to deal with, and she’s the queen of fireball drive rush. Her DR is amazing (imo the best in the game contesting deejay and bison) and her crmk gets +9 oH / +5 oB with DR, so she gets mad damage or mixups

it’s hard to get all her stuff in a single message, broski’s guide is very very good tho

[slender bone]

I didn't use fireball Dr, crMk, stlk , overhead, od fireball more than 5 times before master

I did the same meaty (hp lash , dash dash crLk or throw) or safe jump

CrLk crLp hp lash

[hoary lynx]

any tip against Cammy dive kick?

[somber knot]

notedddd thank you🙏🙏🙏

[verbal whale]

hard to deal with, most consistent answers are either H Whip or jMK

[dreamy zinc]

struggling out here against terry

[weary widget]

I usually do to jabs into the buffer

[lusty drum]

Been playing a lot of Terry and his light wave is usually just a free hit against Aki's fireball, shuts down that fireball drive rush game

But other than that mostly seems like a standard shoto matchup

[crude path]

unplayable /j

[bright herald]

hey guys im having trouble with anti airing
i know the main options are 5hk, 2hk and 236hp, i defaulted 5hk as a reaction aa and use 236hp sometimes when im ready for the jump but honestly i feel like im not using the options properly
im having a lot of trouble with people who spam close range jumps to a point where im considering just drive rush out when they do it or slide if possible
my main problem is that i feel like even tho i use it and it works quite frequently, i dont understand them properly so whenever someone sees it im fucked
also i believe i have never used 2hk as an anti air in my whole life, maybe on acident

[verbal whale]

if they are so close to the point of crossing you up aki cannot antiair with her regular options and you have to jump back LK to catch them

[bright herald]

oh thanks ill try that

[hoary lynx]

so lost against terry, it just feels like they can spam the fireball all day long and the launch fist. Not sure what to do against him

I usually attack fireballs with OD fireball but against him you just eat a free attack and he just blocks

launch also doesn't work against his fireball at some ranges because of the ground hitbox, or I'm just too slow or something

I'm going to just record one match and if anyone has tips I'd appreciate them

[verbal whale]

against his fireball you play like any other fireball (dive/ex flippy daggers)

for burn knuckle you have to learn when it’s plus (screen shakes) and from close you can punish it

[hoary lynx]

doesn't dive sometimes get punished by the fireball? or is it just when you are too slow?

[verbal whale]

nope, dive is 100% fireball invul

you can get hit before during stance

[hoary lynx]

I think that's what I mean, I have used it when I'm close and you just get hit in the transition between stance and dive

which I'm not used to with other fireballs I guess

[verbal whale]

mh it’s odd tho, aki dive can be used pretty much only if you have a read, the whole thing is 30f so you kinda have to already be in stance

but terry fireball is very slow frame wise, being 48 and 49f

[hoary lynx]

yeah, but I'm not used to having to look at the range. If you're a jump-in close you just get hit, or I am insane

I was just re-testing on training just in case

[verbal whale]

i can’t be that helpful cause i haven’t played aki since terry is out

since i’m probably going 100% terry

[hoary lynx]

np, I still appreciate the comments a lot

I'm going to post the match because I'm probably doing 100 things wrong which are not just Terry-specific

[verbal whale]

sure, i can’t watch it for a while if you post the code, while i can watch it rn if you send a youtube link

[hoary lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7GSD9PbSGY

yep yep, I know

some things I already know:

• One bad oki in the first round
• I'm just too scared of Terry's options and I think I should lab him a bit doing the fireball into launch fist to see what I can do, because he just wins free mixup there everytime
• A couple of things I still don't know the minus / plus and I just get counter-hit

[verbal whale]

-So first extremely big thing, if you get a PC jumpin you can’t just go into sthk xx qcfHP, you can get an insanely fat combo and do good damage and get oki, something like sthk xx stance kicks, crlp crlp qcfHP is so much better if you don’t wanna spend meter.
-be careful cause aki fthrow is just +19, which means if you fdash for oki you are +0
-you try very hard to DI during burnout when outside the corner, its better to try to get in and start aki loop (even something like flippy daggers to close the gap, or dr in)
-second round was good, just try to push your oki more instead of going fireball after qcfHP KD
-round 3 you were kinda passive, even tho you had some opportunity to get the party started, one thing that caught my eye is that you didn’t try to keep pressuring after hitting a fhk, you are +2 and he never showed you a single reversal in the entire set, so walking back there was a pretty bad choice imo

Regarding terry’s framedata he has no +oB normals, only thing that can be plus are his burn knuckles if spaced (screen will shake if plus) and his feint fireball (+5 on block but extremely slow with like 29f startup).

[hoary lynx]

ok, thanks a lot, I guess I have to study a bit the oki set ups and re-learn the jumpin

[slender bone]

st.hk xx heel strike > lights is a bnb

so your jumps should at least be this if you decide not to start with lights

[verbal whale]

i know it sounds extreme but a single jumpin on a fireball like that should make the round very in your favor

that’s like 35% hp gone into corner and oki

that’s like a 70% chance to win the round

[hoary lynx]

I just learned the other one the first day and didn't bother re-learning it after learning the bnb, but yeah, I get the differences

[jolly idol]

anyone willing to coach a silver aki?

[slender bone]

https://vxtwitter.com/Rip_xxx_RIP/status/1840733407888003577/

[verbal whale]

Hey! Send us your replays and we’ll try to do our best to help. Pick some losses you struggle to find what you did wrong and don’t be shy to ask questions!

[jolly idol]

@verbal whale do i give you the codes or record the replays

[verbal whale]

recording is always better and you’ll get a faster response, but codes are fine too

just be aware that i live in EU so you might get some delay on my responses, but we have other great akis here that can help

[jolly idol]

vs Rashid SRMKHRSRD

vs Juri HBUEJWGVV

vs Terry K8QQQ6TBR

[crude path]

Why does normal DP work against venomous fang?

it's not a jump attack

[peak crystal]

A.K.I.

sinister slide > venomous fang - 2PP > 5P

Startup

11+19

Active

15

Recovery

30

On Hit

KD +20(34)

On Block

-25(-11)

Inflicts poison state upon hit (420 damage over 7 seconds aka 1 damage per frame) which dissipates if A.K.I. gets hit, The poison state remains for as long as the opponent is in hitstun so the duration can be extended past 7 seconds total, Toxic Blossom (grounded): Crumple effect (Free Juggle state: +67~81 KDA depending on distance), Toxic Blossom (airborne): Tumbling OTG effect (Limited Juggle state: variable KDA depending on distance and height), Upper body is Projectile invincible on frames 1-19 and then fully Projectile invincible on frames 20-33 (not including the initial 11F of the Snake Stance), Low profiles on frames 1-17 (not including the initial 11F of the Snake Stance), Airborne on frames 19-33 (not including the initial 11F of the Snake Stance) and in a Forced Knockown state, Crushes lows on frames 20-31 (not including the initial 11F of the Snake Stance), Excellent anti-projectile / zoner tool with full-screen Punish opportunities, One of A.K.I.'s main combo and setup tools when triggering Toxic Blossom as it sets up for a lot of big damage combo routes or oki pressure, Frame advantage can vary greatly depending on spacing (the later active frames it hits on, the better Knockdown Advantage and safer on block it is), Full-screen jump scare snek attacc

[slender bone]

airborne on frames 19-33

[verbal whale]

gotta be 100% honest i’ve never seen anyone doing dp to beat dive instead of blocking

[somber knot]

i try😭😭

[slender bone]

What's the route that is mp lash! > walk > st.mp xx hp lash

It doesn't seem like I have enough time after like any normal route

[verbal whale]

i found out it always works after EX LASH, stlk mp lash(!)

[slender bone]

but not after like st.hk xx heel strike > st.lk?

[verbal whale]

i think you can get it after every Mwhip when you do just 1 stlk

[slender bone]

it feels really tight

[verbal whale]

and you have to be later than youd think with the stmp

[verbal whale]

it is, i never go for it tbh

[slender bone]

I was watching Hikaru do it and went, "well, it's doable then"

but I couldn't remember the route

[verbal whale]

iirc correctly is about 100 damage more

[slender bone]

what I was more interested in was the driveless route

[verbal whale]

ye but if you don’t wanna spend drive:
dash stlk H whip is much easier

[slender bone]

yeah that makes sense

[cosmic scarab]

@weary widget @slender bone @verbal whale I’m looking to run a set for analysis.

[slender bone]

ok

CFN?

I went to go do something else, reach later

[cosmic scarab]

Oh my bad I was training ok when you’re ready let me know

CFN: MegalodonDon

[cosmic scarab]

@weary widget can you run some matches with me?

[crude path]

How + on a KD does AKI need to be in order to get a safejump?

[verbal whale]

44

[crude path]

precisely +44 (236HP (no blossom), 214PP ~P)

so there's no wiggleroom?

exactly 44?

[slender bone]

no

that's how safe jumps work

+44 to beat 6f dp, 5f or faster smokes you

so you can't do it against Lily with windstock since her's is 5f

[crude path]

for everyone? I thought different characters had different jumps

[slender bone]

Aki's is slow

most are +42

[crude path]

so there's no wiggle room, has to be +44

[slender bone]

Gief and lily need +43, aki needs +44, and Chun needs +46 (iirc? Could be wrong I'm not a Chun player)

correct
if you want to beat 6f or slower dp, you need +44

[crude path]

and everyone else is +42?

[slender bone]

also correct

[crude path]

kk

good to know

[slender bone]

there really isn't much variability in safe jumps

[crude path]

I haven't used my hitbox a whole lot yet, I had work last night so I couldn't practice or anything

[slender bone]

There's going to be 1-5 KDs from a character that gives them it

[crude path]

I messed around with it a little after work but ultimately I spent the rest of my night on destiny

I can consistently do down to right QCs

so 236 if I'm facing right, 214 if facing left

but still working on down to left

and I need to re-learn doing DR quickly and integrating it into my comboes

[slender bone]

For stick players, hitbox is half easy to do since the right hand buttons are all the same

the left hand movement takes time

[crude path]

mm

Im dreading having to do 1080s

[slender bone]

what character is doing that

[crude path]

for if I ever wanna play Goldlewis again lol

from GGST, not this game

[slender bone]

oh yeah you simply don't play hitbox grapplers in anime games

[crude path]

GL isn't a grappler

[slender bone]

they are the ones who have those fucked up circle type inputs

[crude path]

his reversal/ender super does more damage if you churn

the normal input is just 632146, 360 is also an option

then 720 adds like 20 more damage and 1080 adds another 20

(he can 1 shot Chipp with the 1080 version)

[slender bone]

that's cursed

doing 360s on hitbox is pretty annoying but doable

[crude path]

(Chipp has to be doing his projectile because it can take damage which is shared to him, and both he and the projectile can be hit at the same time causing 2x damage)

[slender bone]

lul

[crude path]

it is very funny

Bedman can do it too with install and a normal 632146 or 360

alternatively you can do 632146, Roman Cancel it into a basic air BnB to finish the job cuz he'll be at less than 10%

[jolly idol]

For 214 you can do 21(2-8) for input because 2 and 8 will cancel each other out because of socd

[slender bone]

but won't that make it

[hoary lynx]

Maybe they meant 21(1-8)?

[slender bone]

that...might work?

[jolly idol]

forgot to say hold back while doing this

to make it back with socd up down canceling eachother out

[slender bone]

I think in normal circumstances that's a lot more work than rolling your hands

[jolly idol]

I setup my fingers so that they land in sequence so i just press my whole hand down instead of doing the motion

[slender bone]

ah nice

[jolly idol]

so supers are just a jitter of my hand

[cosmic scarab]

I finally hit Master! Thanks for the coaching and anyone who helped. It’s was a hard grind for me but I learned a lot. Now the game starts.

[jolly idol]

nice!!

[slender bone]

congrats

[cosmic scarab]

Thanks

[weary widget]

Proud of you

[cosmic scarab]

Thank you

[crude path]

hitbox update, practiced some comboes and I'm slowly getting better at inputting down to left inputs

suprisingly clean with the super inputs tho

i went into some casual games and got washed, but the one time I went "okay let's wakeup super" I fucking hit that shit

[crude path]

anyway, here's a silly thing I found after mirror matching another AKI player

if I wasn't poisoned, he wouldn't end comboes with H whip, he would use L whip then 'continue' pressure with stMP

as soon as I realised that was total bs, I mashed every time and it worked every time

L whip is only +1 oH on a non-poisoned opponent

but that got me thinking if there was a spacing trap there, and there is, and it's very easy

if your opponent presses a fast button after the L whip and you press stHK, easy PC pre-poisoned combo

very impractical compared to just doing H whip and doing a safejump, but still funny

[slender bone]

hitbox supers are turbo free except after crouching lights

that shit be kinda hard

[verbal whale]

https://vxtwitter.com/pochoclo23/status/1801758144151822734?s=46
so i’ve played a bit of aki but ngl i’ve never seen this

[cosmic scarab]

• whistles 🤮

[fickle sundial]

It looked interesting until it said microwalk

[cosmic scarab]

Yea I burnout after dr cr lp. I can’t get the extra bar to dr 6Hk. But if you level 3 after lwhip that’s still 6421 damage about 60% damage. Still great with less room for error.

[quartz cedar]

what's the command to pull up the character guide spreadsheet again? looking to refine my ken knockdown pressure

[copper yacht]

?sestze

[granite ferry]

https://bit.ly/SF6_SIMPLE

[copper yacht]

That one?

[quartz cedar]

yep,thx

[verbal whale]

so i was labbing with replay takeover today

[slender bone]

damn that's cool

[toxic skiff]

Fire

[weary widget]

@verbal whale

[verbal whale]

if you wanna be even more sure crouch it

[slender bone]

@verbal whale ok so I somehow misremembered but doing walk st.mp xx hp lash after mp lash! is borderline impossible after heel strike

but it's pretty easy if you do OD lash > st.lk

ye it's probably only reasonable to try after OD lash > st.lk xx mp lash!

[verbal whale]

ye here i use that tbh

[slender bone]

I was trying to figure out why I couldn't do it

turns out I wasn't even doing the right routes to begin with 😌

[verbal whale]

https://vxtwitter.com/pochoclo23/status/1849131684182024397?s=46

[worn vortex]

Hello

How do I get coached lolol

Pretty please

I've dedicated the past week or so to refining my current combos, which resulted in me hitting Master. Now idk what to do exactly, as my current skillset seems insufficient. I suspect there are some routes I could make more efficient, but most importantly, I believe there are problems with how I play neutral and defend

And I lack a lot of MU knowledge, but I suppose that's something one can only learn by themselves or by getting advice from a desired MU character player

[weary widget]

I can help you got any replays I can take a look at

@worn vortex

[worn vortex]

Thank you! I'll find some and post em here. Tis 2 AM at my place and I'm already in bed, so I'll do it next time I hop onto the game.

[verbal whale]

if you can record vods and post them on youtube i can look at them

[humble pasture]

barca going viral

what a gamer

[verbal whale]

[slender bone]

[fickle sundial]

[weary widget]

[verbal whale]

So i was thinking about aki’s MUs this season

this is what i came up with

[slender bone]

interesting

I need to figure out how to not get cooked by Ed but also I need to stop dropping basic combos 😌

I want to ask Hikaru what he thinks her matchups are at

[fickle sundial]

does he read his chat

While I watch his streams it's often at work on mute so I dont hear his voice ever lol

[slender bone]

ye he does read chat

[fickle sundial]

cool cool

[verbal whale]

he also answers in english to english questions

[verbal whale]

ed is very much like chun imo, you can play outside their range of effectiveness pretty well

also for him charging flicker is risky for ex flippy daggers or dive

[slender bone]

I don't think Chun does poorly against Aki tho

[verbal whale]

i used to think so too but then i spoke to some very high level chuns here and they told me they really struggle in the MU cause chun is forced to engage

and i never understood how good aki is at just being passive and waiting

and hasanzo is a bit weird to counter fireball

in short chun can’t play her strengths in the MU

or @native loom brainwashed me

[slender bone]

I think when Aki was weaker and Chun was stronger, Hikaru had Chun firmly in wins

but I don't believe Chun is that much weaker

[verbal whale]

while it’s true chun hasanzu got nerfed regarding fireball invulnerability

[fickle sundial]

Lets trust them they just don't gaslight themselves that chun is weak like some delusional mains in videogames tend to do

AHEM

ken

or windshitters from league but thats OOT

[verbal whale]

and that ironically made hasanzo trade with aki’s fireball pretty often

[verbal whale]

no dw i really trust their opinion

[fickle sundial]

Gotcha

I had some interesting convos with some chun mains in particular

so hence I am bit cautious about them

[native loom]

rea;

real

im ok with being @'d here

and yeah chun aki is one of chun's worst MUs

[native loom]

it is horribad

[verbal whale]

nabil when he has to press forward

[native loom]

any MU where im forced to walk forward and take initiative is bad MU

EXACTLY

and that hazanshu nerf :(

[slender bone]

hahaha

I'll ask Hikaru or Broski

[verbal whale]

the funniest MU is aki dhalsim, both say they win it

[fickle sundial]

So you personally think Barca that chun didnt that badly from your experience in matches ye?

from Aki's perspective

[verbal whale]

ye i personally think aki does good in the MU

it's not immediate to play correctly tho

[fickle sundial]

smth around the lines of 6/4 esque

[verbal whale]

nah not 6/4

6/4 is too much

it's like 5.4-4.6

[fickle sundial]

I can see why you stick to words than numbers 😭

jokes aside

[verbal whale]

only over 5.5 MU aki has is marisa

marisa is kinda free for aki it's so bad for marisa

you can low profile EVERY one of her specials

[fickle sundial]

Dont think I have seen Marisa in top 16 in any majors this season even

[slender bone]

you can low profile st.hp

[weary widget]

Personally I’d move JP up to even

[slender bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhPRoHj3nn0 fuck this combo btw

[verbal whale]

[worn vortex]

Hello

Ok, so

BNTGPUFSS
SVCEXXJPS
YL75E7YUW

These are absolutely TERRIBLE

I've done some crappy DIs that I shouldn't have done because I don't know the mu

But I feel like that's only the tip of the iceberg

And that there are important fundamental issues

Any help appreciated, thanks

[copper yacht]

I'd be happy to take a look but I'm in the process of moving so you'd have to record them for me lol

[hoary lynx]

I can record them in a minute and upload to youtube if you’d like @worn vortex

I’m always with the idea of setting up a discord bot to do this automatically but never find the time to finish it

[worn vortex]

No need, I'll do it myself. I appreciate the offer

[verbal whale]

man how would the bot work?

it’s be phenomenal

[hoary lynx]

my second pc would be just listening to petitions and if someone adds a petition to the queue, copy-pastes the replay ID, starts OBS, uploads to youtube.

Possible problem would be capcom banning me for using scripts in sf6 and thinking I'm hacking in matches.

[verbal whale]

[slender bone]

have a 2nd copy of SF6

[worn vortex]

Uploading now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIzycNC-few
Some things I know:

• Did crappy DIs
• Couldn't block the overhead once
  But I'm pretty sure there's much more

[verbal whale]

i’ll check it rn and then i will send a paragraph here

[worn vortex]

Thanks a lot

[verbal whale]

first thing i see is that in the very first round of the very first set you decided to start with a jump back, which i guess it’s a read on a knuckle but still a very hard read that should come from what you see your opponent likes to do, so a bit extreme on round 1 of game 1 (correct me if this is not the case and you already played this player).
This is the main issue i can spot during the whole match, most of the interactions that you lost in the game were a result of you reading some actions that were never showed to you. There are a lot of empty jumps to call out burn knuckle, which aren’t a bad thing unless your opponent is showing you that those did not work. The feeling i got from these games were that you were trying to play reactive to get one big punish and then snowball, but you tried too hard to get it which resulted in getting nothing.
One thing i would absolutely implement are way more fireballs, you started using it in game 3 and that’s when you actually began contesting space and making him a bit more uncomfortable. Her fireball paired with dr makes her approach absolutely busted and gives your opponent little to none room to punish you for it unless they do a good jump, which is a bit of a read from them (and you can always ex slide cancel if you can afford it).
The other thing i noticed is that you never really run your offense when you get the chance, on oki you usually shimmy (even tho he never showed you a tech), on fHK plus frames you shimmy twice (even if he’s not teching) and on oki you often fireball (which can be easily reacted with ex dp, or in terry’s case lvl2 for 50% of your hp).
what i suggest you is looking up some of broski or hikaru’s vods and look how they use their advantageous situations (what do they do on oki? how do they use plus frames? why you think they picked this option?)

Bonus aki tech
if you hit a lvl1 and fireball after you set up a trap. if they jump you can DR stHK antiair into dive, making them bounce on the fb

[worn vortex]

Sound points, thanks a lot. I guess I'm too scared to throw fireballs because I get jumped on so often, that's part of the reason I jump back on round start, just so that I have more space. I'm also not sure how to play neutral (or if I should at all), as most other characters have faster & longer cancellable buttons, so I often end up blocking something like 2MK and getting DRC'd into guessing. Because of that, I retreat a lot and end up cornered. Perhaps you have some thoughts on this? Thank you

[verbal whale]

first of all if you want to take space round start doing light slide (qcfLK) is way better and safer imo
regarding aki neutral it's not really a "make them block a long button into DR" character (even tho stmp can do that) but you mainly want to poke with stmk, crmk and crhk to gain space using qcfLP to harass them and get space to fireball and drive rush in order to get in their face and run your offense

[worn vortex]

Never used 236LK much, this is interesting

Alright, thanks a lot

[verbal whale]

it's a very good tool to use, you can bait since it looks like stance, gain space stop drive rushes early

[worn vortex]

stop drive rushes early
you mean it'll cause the opponent to whiff or put you in a better spot to interrupt?

[verbal whale]

if they want to reversal the DR or you wanna make them whiff something you can l slide

[worn vortex]

Ahh, I get it now

Thanks

[velvet marsh]

N6QF8G5ME

3SHW96JG8

QYMY955TY

Hey, can someone take a look at my replays? I'm finding it quite challenging to oppose my offense on my opponent. I always feel like I'm getting stuffed by their normals, constantly trying to find my range backing myself in the corner.

[verbal whale]

if you can upload those on youtube i can watch them on the train home

[worn vortex]

@velvet marsh tag me if you'd like me to upload em, I can do it now. I'll make em accessible by link only

[weary widget]

I’ll take a look at it now

Going in order of your first match, It seems like you don’t believe any of your hits will connect I noticed a lot of hesitation on the buttons you were pressing too, and I need to work on this too but maybe practice anti airs in the lab so you can get used to recognizing jump ins

Second match pretty much the same thing and in the second round of the match the chun was in burn out with no super, this is AKIs win condition so I recommend next time you’re in that situation just do her burn out loop until you can DI.

[weary widget]

Just got done watching the third one so I can summarize everything, What I would tell you to work on is hit confirms, being a bit more aggressive in neutral and in burn out scenarios, and anti airs but again every one struggles with that in their journey at some point and you won’t get 100% of them either so that’s ok but for now just hit the lab and get some more confidence in your buttons and hit confirms

@velvet marsh

[velvet marsh]

Okay appreciate help

[dreamy zinc]

Time to start streaming to YouTube so I dont have to upload anymore

[worn vortex]

I still don't understand one thing

So I launch a fireball

At what moment exactly do I DR behind it?

[verbal whale]

your goal is to hit the enemy a little bit after he blocked the fireball

so he can’t contest you

to study ranges you can set the dummy up reversal jab on block, then you throw a fireball, if that jab ever comes out you know the timing was wrong

[worn vortex]

Ok, thanks a lot

[weary widget]

Personally I try my best to go ahead of it

But again that’s situational

[weary widget]

Remember its ok to throw out bad fire balls

[fickle sundial]

Oh shit it's the witch hat mod I've seen people use

The clip is smooth as hell tho

[hoary lynx]

probably stupid question but how do I avoid misinputs when reacting to drive rush? I'm noticing in one of every 4 matches I react with st. mp and I get a puddle and I eat a free dr combo

it's a bit hard to know in the moment if I was doing the input of qcf or qcb

same thing happens with jump ins with st. hk but for that at least I have cr. hk or qcf hp

but on drive rush checks I'm a bit lost

[slender bone]

why not check with cr.mp then

you're getting puddle because you're doing / then trying to stand up and do st.mp

but you can avoid that by just doing cr.mp

[hoary lynx]

ok, will try, thanks

didn't know cr. mp also had a disjoint hitbox for this

[slender bone]

it's just slower

right?

cr.mp doesn't have much of a disjoint

you'd run into the same issue with st.mk, except you'd do mk cruel fate instead of puddle

[verbal whale]

low crush the dr crmk

[copper yacht]

s.mk my beloved 😌

[weary widget]

Oh you beautiful button

[quiet plume]

Hi! Would someone be willing to give me some matchup knowledge with this character? Everytime I play against it I freeze and I never know what to do

I play Terry though but I am in dire need of knowledge

I am free this evening after work if someone is interested

[hoary lynx]

I’m a diamond aki, if that works for you. I can tell you the basic stuff Aki can do and play some matches

For more complex stuff maybe someone else can chime in or maybe in the Terry discord they have more specific info

[quiet plume]

Hey that's fine! I really need just a basic idea of the character to know what's safe and what's not since I let an aki player in my tournaments get away with everything

I'll be free in around 1 hour if you're too

[hoary lynx]

sure

[quiet plume]

are you free now?

I don't know how to make rooms though

[hoary lynx]

I'm free in 20 min, sorry

still at work

[quiet plume]

No problem, let me know when you are online!

[hoary lynx]

I'm available now

[quiet plume]

Sure, do you know how to make a room?

I always get invited from friends

Sorry I mean do you know how to invite someone who is not a friend

[hoary lynx]

Just so I don't forget, some key things in my opinion in this mu:

• Terry can spam his fireball and Aki's usual answers (reacting with stance + dive or counter fireball) don't work in this mu, because of the particular fireball Terry has. Aki can dive if she's in stance already but she doesn't have time otherwise, afaik.
• In pressure in the corner, don't let her OD slide. Two options for that, be patient and stay at jump range from her, if she slides you can punish. Another option is grab, grab beats slide with a PC so you hit 2k of damage if you call it.

yeah, tell me your cfn name

[quiet plume]

Lemoenn

[hoary lynx]

invited

respect more the oki

[quiet plume]

can I mash through the command grab?

[hoary lynx]

yes

but if I strike, you eat a frame trap

[quiet plume]

ok ok

[hoary lynx]

you can guess, or do a OD dp fore example

I'll eat the dp if I do any of these two

and few Aki's respect od dp there

[quiet plume]

how do i counter the breakdance move?

the double kick

I think it's a stance move?

[hoary lynx]

OD dp

[quiet plume]

during it?

[hoary lynx]

before it

[quiet plume]

uh ok

it's going to be tricky

I feel completely clueless

maybe I need to slow it down a bit

I am mashing quite a lot

[hoary lynx]

I think you're not doing that bad, only thing is you either respect too little (you mash when I'm clearly positive after a drive rush or in oki) or you respect too much (you don't go to punish me after I try my offense and I fail)

for example

the kicks

I'm negative and in your face after the kicks

I have to strike/throw guess

you can just try to throw or do a 4 button

[quiet plume]

which kicks sorry

the double kick?

[hoary lynx]

the double kicks, breakdance

[quiet plume]

yeah

I jabbed it and then after it you can take the turn no?

I tried jabbing it twice

[hoary lynx]

yes, but you can try to throw, and I personally eat all damn throws there

[quiet plume]

Jab throw or straight throw?

[hoary lynx]

straight to throw

[quiet plume]

got it

[hoary lynx]

you use too much drive as well

[quiet plume]

Yeah I have very poor drive gauge management

[hoary lynx]

you also use the fireball that's like huge

against aki I think it's better to use the smaller one

that one goes below mine

[quiet plume]

Yeah I try to bait a parry

[hoary lynx]

and I can't do fireball approach and pressure you

[quiet plume]

so I can drive grab

you're not really falling for that

[hoary lynx]

but I'm spamming my OD fireball

that goes against that

maybe it depends on the aki

but if the aki is using OD fireball a lot

use the small fire thingy

I can't approach you with that one

[quiet plume]

i'll try to use it more

I was so desperate ahahahah

[hoary lynx]

haha yeah

[quiet plume]

so scared of a DI

I panicked not gonna lie

one sec

[hoary lynx]

that's alright

[quiet plume]

back

dog decided to gank me

[hoary lynx]

lol

[hoary lynx]

last couple of matches for me

[quiet plume]

np

[hoary lynx]

ok, last things

[quiet plume]

ggs

[hoary lynx]

ggs

[quiet plume]

I think I need more info on the guy

girl actually

Still feel super clueless

[hoary lynx]

use parry more, you lost a lot of drive in the strings

and delay tech in Aki's oki

Aki goes hard for strike throw

[quiet plume]

which one is your oki

I still didn't quite get it

[hoary lynx]

every time I hit you in the corner with a combo or a throw

I have oki there

and I usually went for throws

and occasionally for strike

and very very occasionally for a shimy

delay tech throw beats the first two

and it's not hard to learn

you just have to press throw a bit after you wake up blocking

there are tutorials on it

also every time I hit you with the heavy slash, the vertical whip that launches you in the air, same thing, aki has a safe-jump there

and most akis go for a jumping attack, or empty jump with a throw

maybe I'm not explaining myself very good here haha but those were the things I noticed the most

in general also I think you need to be more aggressive with jumps, I pressured you a lot with normal whip in neutral, and that loses to jump-ins hard

maybe I can also search for some matches I have against Terry where I get demolished, so you can see some examples?

[quiet plume]

Sure that would help!

I would also love to play again

Thanks for all the info too

[quiet plume]

Hello! Any AKI player wants to play today?

[worn vortex]

@quiet plume I'm up. U still wanna play?

[quiet plume]

sure

[worn vortex]

Nice, I'll be ready in like three minutes. My CFN is SuperPinger

[quiet plume]

I have sent a friend request!

[worn vortex]

Got it. Check your DMs

[worn vortex]

I need help with Juri mu

Her buttons are so long I get cornered very quickly

And I can't deal with her dive kick

Feels like a very tough mu, although it's likely I'm just trash

[verbal whale]

the MU is even, for divekick you kinda have to give up antiairs sometimes, especially if she shows she likes to use it or if you are cracked you can HWhip it but it’s very risky, but unlike cammy or akuma this one is minus on block.
In neutral it’s a bit weird cause her sthp is a god button, but she doesn’t have special ways to get around your fireball dr engage, she does have a DP to stop ex flip but it’s a very hard reaction check. You can Light Whip her fireball on reaction to make a trade that imo i slightly in aki’s favor cause she wasted a stock.
Other than this it’s just the regular juri MU, learn how to make her whiff stock during combos (parry or stand block) and know when she can or can’t shimmy in oki

[weary widget]

He summed it up pretty well the only other thing I can add on is you can 5Mp her dive kick on weird angles due to its hurt box

[fickle sundial]

to add to that

Backrising in midscreen after she gets knockdown from 214MK, she can shimmy you out there

however, if you dont backrise she can't

Don't autopilot to only backrising/normal wake up

also while she has some good buttons, you have l whip to harass her

[worn vortex]

Thanks a lot guys

I'll see what I can do with this knowledge

[slender bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195518118603390977/1307018497959919626/image.png?ex=67397015&is=67381e95&hm=062d0dd32835fbbc9002d218eed26efc72b38af1b3d94d741e05dc7ef8c578d0&

[verbal whale]

So after almost a full year of aki i’ve decided to actually step away from her, I’ll still try to be as helpful as i can with everyone’s questions and i’ll still give games to anyone who needs it with her, but i probably won’t be that informed on the most recent updates about the characters matchups and tech.
Thanks to everyone who helped me getting to the point i got with the character

Also to not scare any potential player, it has nothing to do with power level, strenght or whatever, I just don’t enjoy her as much as i used to

[copper yacht]

who are you going to

[verbal whale]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-ken-masters-street-fighter-street-fighter-6-sf6-gif-1781277603093230862

[copper yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/let-us-vomit-8women-and1man-about-to-vomit-gif-19076522

[fickle sundial]

You didn't do that Barca

Thats a grand betrayal

https://tenor.com/view/megosztható-horse-raining-downpour-gif-13970826

(Jokes aside have fun Barca)

[weary widget]

[worn vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-marcus-bird-shoe-bill-stork-scary-twitter-bird-bird-marcus-gif-19323978

[dreamy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-rain-stich-wet-cold-gif-7835445

[toxic skiff]

Anyone know what new combo routes the patch gave Aki?

[hoary lynx]

In the Aki discord people were sharing the new combo routes yesterday

I can send a link in private if you want ?

[static frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-entrance-walking-gif-13375548

What’s going on friends

I have missed you all

[fickle sundial]

Hello imrsd

Long time no see

[verbal whale]

btw guys i still labbed the aki change

but i haven’t looked at what broski and hikaru cooked

now it might be decent to go for ex fireball during strings to get the plus frames, since if it hits we get a H Whip in the corner with decent follow-ups

[fickle sundial]

you can do h.whip from heavy flippy dagger's bounce or smth

[slender bone]

broski did a funny clip against Honda buttslam

[fickle sundial]

you also get consistent l whip ender there too

[verbal whale]

ye i saw that

[static frigate]

Hiii hope you’re good

What’s up Denzel

[slender bone]

yo

[junior olive]

all the legends collected in one thread, gawd damn

[weary widget]

Legend? I’m just a dude off the side of the road

[crude path]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnBtCB1mVqIwE_ZVJuP4_lomFn2h0nJOd?si=suI1ekyxg8mXhyCl

watch this silly broski clip

he poisons punk with H lash

exactly 6 seconds pass

Punk jumps out of the corner

Broski AAs with H lash at such perfect timing

that Punk's poison wears off the insant before the 2nd H whip touches him

it's so perfect that you can't see the healthbar change colour back from purple

and it doesn't play the VFX or SFX that occurs when poison ends

[verbal whale]

ok ngl guys this combo was insanely hard to hit but my god it's soooo cool

[slender bone]

I saw Hikaru practicing or at trying to find out routes for it a few days ago

[verbal whale]

this one is highest damage i think

with CA it's like 7250

but ngl i would never go for it in game

[slender bone]

Hikaru would

[weary widget]

Maybe it’s cause of Ed but this was lowkey kinda easy to pull off in one go for me

[verbal whale]

with the microwalk into ex flip?

[weary widget]

Yeh

[weary widget]

I believe this is max damage?

[toxic skiff]

Dude you're a fucking mutant

[verbal whale]

the corner carry is also very good. lately i’ve been using lvl2 a lot in the corner just because the poison puddle does so much damage

[nocturne spruce]

How hard is aki to pickup?

[hoary lynx]

Depends at what level

[nocturne spruce]

alr, I'm thinking about picking her up for the first time

[slender bone]

Depends on your current level of play but if you keep it simple, it's "easy"

[hoary lynx]

Basic bnb, anti-air, couple of things work fine for the first day (?)

[slender bone]

If you want to do all her cool shit, it's hard

[nocturne spruce]

bet, I'll try to learn these things

[nocturne spruce]

that's cool, I got rashid to master by just doing basic bnbs

[slender bone]

oh you're already master? you'll have a smooth time then

I got her to master doing basic stuff too with 1-2 corner meter dumps

[nocturne spruce]

where can I find any good beginner guides

[hoary lynx]

Have you checked the Simple Character Guide?

Pinned in coaching

[nocturne spruce]

I wasn't aware that existed. That'll be useful for when I pick up either Terry or Aki

[worn vortex]

Hey, does anyone have these written down or recorded? I mean this one is obviously recorded lmao, but there are prolly more insane juggle combos with several DRs like this one. I wanna try out something fancy but can't find it.

[cosmic scarab]

I’m looking for some mental stack tips. I have good combos but I struggle capitalizing on my turns which i know that takes knowing when your opponent is negative but I feel it’s a lot learning every character’s frame data. I drop the ball when closing rounds when I have them at low health. My oki is not great but looking for any helpful tips.

[slender bone]

Mental stack gets alleviated when you can autopilot other parts of gameplay
What this means in practice is that you're going to have to pick a particular aspect of the game that you're weak at, and put 95% focus on it. This means other aspects will become weaker but after you're satisfied with how you're doing in that one aspect, then move onto something else.
What happens after that point is you put the worked on aspect into unconscious memory which lessens mental stack as a result

[hidden mesa]

hey, picked up aki like 2 or 3 days ago and looking for someone who can maybe help me get better with her? im currently stuck in bronze so i think there is a lot to improve

[slender bone]

Top things to learn are basic combos, basic meaties, and what AKI's buttons do

then next is punishes against big moves (which should tie into your combos)

So tell me about the things you know how to do now

[hidden mesa]

so i know what her buttons do for the msot part, i know like 2 or 3 basic strings like lp,lp,qcf-hp, and i know my best poke is mk and cr.mk i think

thats about it

[slender bone]

ok tell me what st.hk does

[copper yacht]

😎 welcome to the club

[hidden mesa]

its the move i use as my anti air most of the time, and i think its either -3 or 4 on block so not safe

[slender bone]

it cancels into her stance which can form a frame trap against opponents as well

[hidden mesa]

stance is something i wasnt able to find any use with yet

[slender bone]

what you want to practice as combos are
cr.lk > cr.lp xx hp lash
cr.lp > cr.lp xx hp lash
st.lp > st.lp xx hp lash
and the easy follow up if they are not poisoned is to dash twice and try it again

if they are poisoned, keep it simple for now and after they explode into the air just do lp lash

[hidden mesa]

the standing one is a combo i use a lot

[hidden mesa]

ok ok ill try to implement that

[slender bone]

it's got a built in frame trap but if you do not confirm it, you're unsafe if you do nothing, and mega unsafe if you do hp lash

[hidden mesa]

its still pretty difficult for me to get close enoiugh to actually use the combo

[slender bone]

jump

[hidden mesa]

i mostly win my games through poke

[slender bone]

st.mk and cr.mk both get absolutely dummied by Drive Impact which bronze players probably be using

[hidden mesa]

i get punished more often for jumping in than for using those moves

i think im still way to defensive with the way i play

[slender bone]

what button do you jump with

[hidden mesa]

since im a bit scared to get close

[hidden mesa]

do you mean which button i use in the air once i jumped?

[slender bone]

ye

[hidden mesa]

mostly mk

[slender bone]

unless there's a good reason, you're going to be jumping with j.hp 80% of the time

heavies give the most advantage on hit and block, so that's why you use them

[hidden mesa]

ahh okay thats good to know

[slender bone]

if you press down in the air while doing a jump, you'll get the cross up only version, so you can use j.hk if that's easier

j.mk has a use but it's kind of advanced

[hidden mesa]

ill try to get used to using hp in the air first ig

[slender bone]

an offensive jump (where you're going to them) is going to use either j.hk or j.hp
almost all the others are defensive jumps to stop someone from jumping
except j.lk which can also be a crossup button

but do j.hp for now, keep it simple

[hidden mesa]

aye aye

[hidden mesa]

@slender bone hey i tried to adapt the small tips u gave me and i was able to get out of bronze for the first time 😄

[slender bone]

I am big fan of "do only simple things until they no longer work as often"

I didn't use a third of Aki's buttons until master, pretty much only 2-3 attack routes

[hidden mesa]

thats mostly how i play

but i found out i have a big problem with punishing moves, seems like the buttons i use arent fast enough

[cosmic scarab]

Thanks for the feedback @slender bone any drills you can recommend to get me started

[slender bone]

take a combo you already do, find 2 forks of it
grind 5-10m a day in the lab of it
take into matches

[weary widget]

Depends on what your punishing, here’s a general guide I give new people which is if it’s an ex dp or super use your heavy button, if you don’t think either of those will work use your mediums instead

[hidden mesa]

im mostly using mk or cr.mk and try to punish but maybe im just trying to punish at the wrong times or the wrong moves

[slender bone]

neither of those buttons cancel into specials

[weary widget]

Neither of those are terrible at punishing but they are extremely limited on what they can offer in terms of punishing moreso 5.Mk cause at a certain distance all you can get is 2.Hp which isnt terrible but it isnt what you want the most

Can you give me an example of you trying to punish something?

Like a replay or a clip?

[hoary lynx]

Light punish, close and small gap to punish:
st. lp, st. lp, qcb. hp

Heavy punish, larger range but you need a big gap to punish:
stHK, d+pp~k, crlp, crlp xx qcfHP

I personally reached master with only those two punishes

[hidden mesa]

Once im Home I can Send u some replays of me, there Are probably some big things to Improve in general

[hidden mesa]

First one I try to use some times, second one seems pretty hard, comboing in general is still pretty tough for me

[hoary lynx]

It is hard at first but it is Aki’s main bnb for everything, so it is definitely worth to learn

As a workaround you can use st. Hk -> qcb hp for now which is just a simple cancel

But I do recommend trying in training mode 5-10 min a day the other one until it starts clicking

[hidden mesa]

Okay What exactly does the xx in the Notation mean? And do I just Input the d,pp After the hk?

[hoary lynx]

Xx means cancel, you have to input the next buttons while the first is hitting

[hoary lynx]

Yes. You can activate the Frame meter in training and the Input Display, and put the opponent to Block after the first hit. You’re doing it ok if the opponent doesn’t block.

[hidden mesa]

Ah so just a normal Special cancel?

[hidden mesa]

Okay ill try to practice that combo a Bit so i can get it somewhat consistent

[hoary lynx]

Yep. Commas “,” are usually links and arrows “->” are chains

[hidden mesa]

havent found an exact example of me trying to punish

but i found 2 replays of games that i recently lost

think there is still a lot i can learn from those and some mistakes i werent able to see

hope the quality is alright

nvm its a bit laggy, hope its still somewhat fine

[weary widget]

Ok, so after looking, I can tell that you're hyper-focused on using 5.Mk and 2.Mk and kinda "forgetting"? the other buttons Id suggest just trying to incorporate them or try getting used to them in the lab

Also on regular hit for 2.Mk 5.Lk links

[hidden mesa]

ye they are my go to buttons, in most cases i dont really know what to use instead

[hidden mesa]

ah good to know

[weary widget]

A good variety of all your buttons is what you would normally use so try getting used to them and how they work

[hidden mesa]

ok ok ill try to incorporate more of my other buttons

[weary widget]

Usually the one I prefer to use at distances where I dont know what theyre going to do is 2.Hk but its a to each their own type of thing

[hoary lynx]

it's good to have a vague idea of why each button is good though. Else incorporating them is a bit hard, you're going blind

I think coaches tend to recommend focusing on light punish (st. lp or cr. lp), heavy punishes (st. hk) and anti-airs (st. hk) when you're starting with a character

I'd keep it simple like that until you get more comfortable with the game

[weary widget]

Yeah pretty much

[hoary lynx]

for example in the replays, Juri is doing a lot of incredibly unsafe stuff that leaves her -50 frames (which means you have 50 frames to do whatever) and you're punishing with cr. mk. That's something that you can drill every day or focus in your matches, you see something unsafe (like a missed dp in neutral), you punish with a heavy punish

it doesn't matter if it's a simple cancel like st. hk xx qcb. hp, but it's important to recognize the pattern of "super unsafe move? heavy punish"

[hidden mesa]

was this right? or was i too slow?

ah nvm

i did qcf hp instead of back

this should be it right?

[hoary lynx]

yep, it's that, but you were a bit slow from the hk to the dd+k

[hidden mesa]

ye thats the part thats still a bit tricky for me

since i like never use the d.pp stance thingy

[hoary lynx]

that's normal, just keep trying at it a little bit each day and it gets easier

[hidden mesa]

so more like this speed?

[hoary lynx]

yeah, but it's indeed qcf

in that one

not qcb

[hidden mesa]

ah lol

[hoary lynx]

also try not to press the punches in the dd

[hidden mesa]

what exactly do you mean by that?

[hoary lynx]

nvm

I just came home after 10 hours of work

and I'm drunk

ignore that comment

lol

[hidden mesa]

hahah okay no worrioes

[hoary lynx]

one thing though, I find better to put the opponent to "Block after first hit"

that way you know if you've done it right or not without having to look at damage or anything

[hidden mesa]

ok ok

[hidden mesa]

is there a reason to use st.hk as a heavy punish instead of hp,hp target combo?

ah i suppose just cause its faster?

[hoary lynx]

so one very important thing with aki is the poison, right, when you hit an enemy that's poisoned, they get a damage hit and they get thrown in the air, and you can juggle from that

one of the best moves for that is qcf. hp

st. hk combo, the one you were training, finishes in qcf. hp

another reason is that st. hk has more variations with Drive Rush where you can finish in supers and other cool stuff

[hoary lynx]

this is important as well, yes. An example of why it's important is the jump-in

https://youtu.be/adunE-f_x_4

[hidden mesa]

modern makes me so tilted