#General coaching for Spectre

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past spoke
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don’t bother lvl2 for now

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lvl1 is really good to close out rounds tho

naive orbit
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u gon need to show me videos of these combos

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that would be sm better for me

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also

past spoke
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ye i’ll do it as soon as i get home

naive orbit
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when I was in the dumps earlier today abt ranked

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I tried chun li

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why is she a charge character

past spoke
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she has some charge

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she’s hybrid

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like deejay

naive orbit
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ew

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ion like charge

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I cant do charge

supple fern
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idk if this is 100% optimal, juri players feel free to pwn me

past spoke
naive orbit
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WAIT I CAN DO SOME SHIT LIKE TEKKEN AND JUST DUCK?

supple fern
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tatsu is a high lol

past spoke
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you can do fHP xx qcfMK, fMP xx lvl1 if you don’t wanna spend meter

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fHP is 15 frames startup tho

naive orbit
past spoke
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@naive orbit do you know that juri lvl1 can be enhanced?

supple fern
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she's korean so I put her on jp voice lol

naive orbit
past spoke
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yeah if you hold the kick button for the whole thing you’ll use a stock to deal more damage

naive orbit
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...

supple fern
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oh you need a stock for that link

naive orbit
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THATS GAS

past spoke
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@supple fern can your record these for him cause i’ll be home in like 7 hours

supple fern
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ye np

past spoke
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tysm

naive orbit
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guys look what I found

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this clip is back when I was hot ass

past spoke
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PC stMP, crHP might whiff

supple fern
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it do

past spoke
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ok nvm then, lemme edit the message

naive orbit
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to think I went from 5K LP to 9K

past spoke
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at -6 the best no meter is probably the bnb

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no meter and no stock

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with stock you might get PC stMP xx qcfMK

supple fern
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oh I did light stock

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medium works, do that

naive orbit
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ohhhhhh

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thats how u combo after that move

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its standing medium punch

past spoke
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forward

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standing whiffs

naive orbit
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ohhhhh alr alr

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Comboing after that special is hard

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BRO THIS SONG GOES SO FUCKING HARDDDDDDD

past spoke
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yeah it’s not the easiest

naive orbit
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yall gotta hear this song

past spoke
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your rule of thumb is:
-if i’m gonna cancel in SA3 end in qcfHK
-if i’m not gonna cancel in SA3 end in qcbMK

supple fern
supple fern
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super art

past spoke
naive orbit
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ohhh alr

past spoke
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the timing isn’t as easy as it looks

naive orbit
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I just mash my shit

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I dont have game sense for frame perfect buttons

supple fern
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what was level 3 again?

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qcbk?

past spoke
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yes

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2xqcbK

naive orbit
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Ik for a fact

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I'm never playing guile

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Charge supers?

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No thx

past spoke
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it’s my next character that i want to learn after juri, i want the charge challenge

supple fern
supple fern
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true

past spoke
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but this deals more damage

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my thought process usually is: “go for qcbK xx super if you are going to burnout but not kill”

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because you have 1 more stock now

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and being burnout against a juri with 3 stocks is gg

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idk if you are aware @naive orbit but in burnout your fireball becomes +1 point blank

supple fern
supple fern
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damn I gotta learn juri lmao

past spoke
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the input is a bit harder tho

past spoke
supple fern
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yeah I'd stick with light store

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lp dp xx level 3 is a fucking carpal tunnel input

past spoke
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light stock connects only with 2 light tho

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so be careful

past spoke
supple fern
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good correction

past spoke
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btw @naive orbit for gold elo the plan is:
-Work hard on our antiairs, because now i’m seeing you are struggling with those
-try to stay more on the ground, jumping is good but too much jumping will get you killed
-let’s start paying a bit more attention to your drive meter and your opponent’s, people will start getting a bit more scary in burnout

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at gold3 we’ll add more stuff

supple fern
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I'd mention DI too

past spoke
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oh yeah

supple fern
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now's the time to form good habits

past spoke
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100%

naive orbit
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I need sparring

past spoke
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yeye i totally forgot

naive orbit
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against characters

supple fern
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I'll play you rn

naive orbit
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Especially dlc characters

naive orbit
supple fern
past spoke
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because the first 2 hits are cancelable

naive orbit
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my bedtime is 3am and it is 2:56 rn

past spoke
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when do you wake up

supple fern
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I couldn't get it after the third hit

naive orbit
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around like 9-11am

supple fern
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er not third hit

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second

past spoke
supple fern
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3 hits with a cr.lp sorry lol

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like

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can't get it late

naive orbit
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also

past spoke
naive orbit
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please help me with grabs

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how do people buffer a jab

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into a grab

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they will do some unsafe shit

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I go to punish it

past spoke
naive orbit
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but instead I get grabbed

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I hate grab mechanics in this fucking game

naive orbit
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Dont take my DI away

supple fern
naive orbit
naive orbit
supple fern
naive orbit
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I can barely react to di's

supple fern
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other buttons will put you at a frame disadvantage because they flip out and land

naive orbit
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alr

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I can try and form habits

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but I need to spar w someone sometime

supple fern
naive orbit
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with characters I struggle against

naive orbit
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also are you doing these rn?

supple fern
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@past spoke can you divekick off nj.mp

naive orbit
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or do u js got these on deck?

supple fern
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I'm doing these rn

naive orbit
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I saw that in a combo trial

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I think

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try it

supple fern
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nope

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but it does knock down

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so it works

past spoke
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but you can punish throws with fj MP xx OD divekick

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big read tho

supple fern
past spoke
supple fern
past spoke
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because you get to a point where you are expecting it

supple fern
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it's not a reaction time thing

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it's anticipating the jump mostly

past spoke
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it’s not a reaction, you feel that at a certain range they’ll jump

naive orbit
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Alr

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well how abt this

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wtf do I do in the corner

supple fern
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as the one on the corner?

naive orbit
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If I'm in the corner against a character I have trouble with

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wtf do I do

past spoke
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there is no universal option

supple fern
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it's mostly a guess ngl

naive orbit
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cause sometimes I jump on wake up or dp and that shit just goes terrible

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I dont DI on wakeup tho

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I've never tried it

past spoke
supple fern
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we have a kind of meme saying in the sf6 community

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"take the throw"

past spoke
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it’s really really bad

naive orbit
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Oh yeah speaking of throws

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when do ik to tech a throw

supple fern
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which is to say, your primary defense in the corner should be holding down back and looking for DI

naive orbit
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It's not tekken, it's hard to fucking see when it's coming

supple fern
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throws are not reactable

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by design

past spoke
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my plan usually is:
first wakeup i block, and just look at my opponent, what did he do?
-he went for an hit->keep blocking
-he went for a throw->time to guess again
-he walked back->he’s trying to bait something

naive orbit
past spoke
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in lower elos i would suggest you to just block, most people won’t keep you in the corner, try to walk up a bit when they go back

naive orbit
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just take the throw?

supple fern
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kinda

past spoke
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there is a thing but it’s a bit early to introduce it imo

naive orbit
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so I'm supposed to benefit myself by taking a throw loop?

supple fern
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if you anticipate a throw loop you can tech it

naive orbit
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yk how hard teching in tekken is

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it's not just 2 buttons tech every grap

supple fern
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it's a guess but you're forced to guess because you're in the corner

naive orbit
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that shit is limb dependant

supple fern
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the easiest way to not get in that situation is to not get there in the first place

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it's like wall

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do everything you can to stay out of wall

naive orbit
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I need better DI reaction time

past spoke
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the big thing is don’t panic in the corner

naive orbit
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I see them do the di and I dont react, I just tank it

supple fern
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alright

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I'm going to reveal

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some high level

past spoke
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especially with juri be careful because her OD DP whiffs on jumping targets if you do it in wakeup

supple fern
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anti-di tech

past spoke
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🥁

supple fern
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it's called "use the preset training option"

naive orbit
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they have presets for everything?

supple fern
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basically

naive orbit
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why wasnt I told this?

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WAIT

past spoke
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also for AA

naive orbit
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THEY HAVE WHIFF TRAINING?

supple fern
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I did tell you actually lul

naive orbit
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LEMME LOOK AT THIS LIST AHAIN

past spoke
supple fern
naive orbit
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what is "the frame meter and you"

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and what is "offensive pressure" practice

supple fern
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it's not actually a training setting it shows an explanation for the frame meter at the bottom

supple fern
naive orbit
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Imagine being able to punish a jab

past spoke
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you can’t realistically, but you can hit him before he presses it

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a true block string will counter hit the jab

supple fern
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which is why it's "airtight" because jabs are your fastest moves

past spoke
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a fake block string will get interrupted

naive orbit
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I seeeeeeeeeee

supple fern
naive orbit
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also guys, yall gotta play tekken w me one day

past spoke
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yeah sorry

naive orbit
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I do that in tekken

past spoke
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i mixed the words

naive orbit
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people tend to mash on my plus frames so I trap them

past spoke
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yeah it’s the same thing

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you + move with juri is stMP

naive orbit
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I do the plus frame move then follow it up by a move that guarentees a conter hit when they mash on it

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then I get a full combo punish off of it

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I'm big brain

past spoke
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it’s the same is sf

naive orbit
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It dont feel the same 😔

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also guys

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yk those times where u get a drive impact off and they end up floating in the air

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or u get a heavy hit counter and they're floating in the air

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how tf do u combo off that

naive orbit
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Hmmm I see

past spoke
past spoke
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better than DP for sure

naive orbit
past spoke
naive orbit
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IM NOT THE ONLY ONE

supple fern
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+30 lul

past spoke
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HOLY

supple fern
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I managed to get +32

naive orbit
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Bruh wtf 😭

past spoke
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oh not enough for free LK store

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sad

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@supple fern juri gets a framekill L stock after M Stock ender in the corner

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and she’s +3

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fucking insane

naive orbit
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I have no idea wtf yall are talking abt but yeah

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I agree

past spoke
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yeah sorry

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went off topic

naive orbit
past spoke
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you’ll learn all of this in plat

naive orbit
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WAIT WHY DOES THAT DO SM DAMAGE

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OFF A ANTI AIR DI

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WAIT WHAT IF YOU AMPLIFIED THE DIVEKICK INTO SOMETHING?

past spoke
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normal divekick followup has no followups

naive orbit
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so u cant amplify the divekick?

past spoke
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what do you mean with amplified

naive orbit
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You do the mp into divekick after the DI

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but what if u amplify the divekick

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and follow it up with like a lvl 1 or something

past spoke
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oh OD?

naive orbit
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mhm

past spoke
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OD divekick?

naive orbit
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yeah

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Srry I was using Mortal Kombat talk

supple fern
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that could work but also you're not going to be hitting this situation that often lol

naive orbit
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People usually js say amplify there

past spoke
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you can get a DP after or diveckick, i’m not 100% sure about lvl1

supple fern
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only against like, cannon strike or something

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the gap is massive

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I got level 3

naive orbit
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Bro is labbing in real time ☠️

past spoke
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after od dk?

supple fern
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yea'

past spoke
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damn

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didn’t know that

naive orbit
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even ik that

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that gap is fucking massive

past spoke
naive orbit
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it's decent

supple fern
past spoke
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nah it’s pretty bad outside of throw punishes

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try it after throw punish please

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the fj mp>od dk

naive orbit
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oh also

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speaking of traps

past spoke
naive orbit
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when I use my stock projectile

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on the floor

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and they jum

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I feel like I do it to far away to bait an anti air

supple fern
past spoke
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you shake in excitement because that’s your best possible outcome ever

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you walk behind your fireball while it travels

naive orbit
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you stock fireball

past spoke
naive orbit
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then dr overhead kick

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is that like unblockable?

supple fern
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yeah that's if they sit down

past spoke
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fireball does not hit low

supple fern
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it's a mid

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despite how it looks

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but it's scary lockdown

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but first they need to be trained to not jump

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like a dog

past spoke
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juri fireball is by far the best fireball in the game

naive orbit
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HUH?

past spoke
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even the wiki jokes about it

naive orbit
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how?

past spoke
supple fern
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and if they block you still have + frames after the overhead because dr is fucking stupid lmao

past spoke
# naive orbit how?

it’s -3 oB, slow enough to walk behind it but still fast enough to drive rush behind it, enables insane frame traps, they have low recovery, they go under other fireballs, the fading animation is misleading

supple fern
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this is completely a side tangent but is there a mod to make juri's vfx entirely violet instead of this hybrid sfv/sf4 thing

naive orbit
past spoke
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i have it rainbow

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it’s really cool

naive orbit
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I heard people hated v trigger, but people seem to hate dr as well

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which do yall hate more?

supple fern
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definitely vt

past spoke
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i love both

naive orbit
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also why was vt so hated?

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wtf did vt do?

supple fern
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too much unique shit that everybody had to learn

past spoke
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but i have not played sfv seriously

supple fern
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learning matchups was a nightmare and sfv was knowledge check fighter 5

naive orbit
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I love sf5

supple fern
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it was just

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annoying

naive orbit
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sf5 to me is the ttt2 of sf

supple fern
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lol

naive orbit
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and by ttt2 I mean tekken tag tournament 2

supple fern
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trust me I can make you hate it within like an hour

naive orbit
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best tekken game ever

naive orbit
past spoke
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another thing about fireball spectre

naive orbit
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speaking of

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is juri good in sf5?

past spoke
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is that fireball is basically free pressure for you

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because while they are blocking it you can get pressure going

naive orbit
past spoke
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you cannot grab during blockstun

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but a lot of people will parry as soon as the fb is approaching

naive orbit
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fair enough

past spoke
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you can fdash grab them before the fireball reaches

naive orbit
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yk im boutta sound like a dumbass

supple fern
past spoke
naive orbit
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but what benefit do u get by parrying moves and fireballs?

supple fern
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drive gauge

naive orbit
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ik parrying di is good

past spoke
supple fern
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and on top of that reduced pushback

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this can make some moves punishable

past spoke
supple fern
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but that's niche and takes more knowledge

naive orbit
supple fern
naive orbit
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SPEAKING OF PP

supple fern
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if I have life to spare I will intentionally make opponents counter DI me and burn themselves out

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I am evil

naive orbit
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since I'm in gold, and mfs love to use target combos

naive orbit
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should I learn to pp target combos?

past spoke
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i remembered 0.5 on block

supple fern
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it deals half a bar but countering the DI eats a bar and .4 of a bar of drive is basically burnout lol

past spoke
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oh yeah makes sense

supple fern
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technically the rule could be "less than a bar" but please just do 1.5 bars as rule of thumb

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I beg

past spoke
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yeah parrying DI is also good if countering it kills you/you get wallsplat into death

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but all of this is really technical stuff for now

naive orbit
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okay but

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yall didnt answer my question

past spoke
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your main concerns now are:
-anti airs
-jumps
-DIs

past spoke
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vis is learning it now and he’s 1650 MR

naive orbit
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I've had to learn to punish that dumbass ken kick combo

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also

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are all target combos unsafe?

past spoke
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most TCs are unsafe on block

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there are no + TCs as far as i know

naive orbit
supple fern
past spoke
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JP’s one is safe iirc

past spoke
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you get MR

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1650 is like top 0.5% of players

supple fern
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for reference I am ~1400MR

past spoke
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i don’t want to talk about this

supple fern
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valid

naive orbit
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how much mr u got goblin?

past spoke
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man i’m still destroyed by that losing streak

supple fern
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it don't matter unless you are like above 1700 imo

past spoke
naive orbit
supple fern
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idk what vis is

past spoke
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no vis is another guy

supple fern
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and it doesn't matter what vis is

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I play him anyway

naive orbit
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ohhh alr

past spoke
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deejay main

supple fern
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because I can always learn something

past spoke
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super good

naive orbit
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I feel like if I get better at sf, my gf will leave me

past spoke
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what

naive orbit
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the better u are at video games, the less women u talk to

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ESPECIALLY

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for certain games

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unless ur Tenz

past spoke
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what

naive orbit
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that man is a valorant pro and is married

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good for him

supple fern
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this next generation is cooked dawg

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their brain is rotting

naive orbit
past spoke
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bro like 70% of sf_chat is married and insane at street fighter

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what do you mean

past spoke
supple fern
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ye sf is an oldhead game

past spoke
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we are not living in a disney channel film spectre

naive orbit
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my dad is like 41 and plays ts

silk patio
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long term relationship or married

past spoke
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damn tekken makes gets you more girls….

silk patio
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i think there's just more oldies

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zoomers ain't got time to learn defense

woven field
supple fern
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Calling people "chat" is the fast track to zero bitches

naive orbit
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chat

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chat

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I am awake

past spoke
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i'm a bit more believable now @naive orbit

woven field
silk patio
naive orbit
naive orbit
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is that u in ur pfp?

naive orbit
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what language is that?

past spoke
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italian

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i’m italian

naive orbit
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UR ITTALIAN?

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Wait sait wait

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spaghetti or pizza?

past spoke
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what kind of spaghetti

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because like, a good pasta con le cozze is 100x better than a pizza

naive orbit
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🧍🏿‍♂️

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con le cozze what? 😭

silk patio
silk patio
naive orbit
silk patio
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cheers

past spoke
past spoke
naive orbit
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that

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looks fucking good

past spoke
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it is fucking good

naive orbit
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Lemme get some

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make me some

supple fern
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Can you give me culinary coaching

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@naive orbit I got a weirdass schedule but I can play in about an hour if you want lmao

naive orbit
supple fern
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lul gotta chill, we keep telling you

past spoke
supple fern
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That's just as good imo

past spoke
# supple fern That's just as good imo

the least famous delicious italian foods are:
-Pisarei e fasoi
-Marubini
-Pumpkin Torelli (Tortelli di zucca in italian do be sure)
-Aglio olio e Peperoncino probably is the easiest and most delicious pasta you can get
-A well made Bruschetta

supple fern
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Def gonna see if there are any mom and pop italian places near me this weekend

naive orbit
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I'm almost at elite

supple fern
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Guaranteed bitches obviously

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I did have a rather strange idea @past spoke since the goal is to get to anticipating jumps and DI, I was thinking of recording some Juri games with my mic enabled and attempting to vocally point out my thought process as much as possible

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Especially since I have a horribly weird schedule working third shift this may be more productive than actually trying to play spectre

past spoke
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he’s west coast so i’m pretty sure i can’t play him

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but it sounds good

naive orbit
supple fern
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Ye that's fair but I was thinking someone like virus, phil or mittens might

past spoke
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yes

supple fern
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Idk

naive orbit
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so yall talkin bout me?

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alr bet

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chat

past spoke
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phil is west?

naive orbit
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I have a new pressure method

past spoke
naive orbit
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hit confirm into DI in the corner

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unless my opponent is fucking justin wong, they not reacting to that shi

supple fern
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what about when you get counter DI'd

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I am justin wong irl

past spoke
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try analyzing the risk reward of that

naive orbit
past spoke
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what if you hit it, what if they DI back

naive orbit
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Nuh uh

supple fern
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Ok I definitely gotta record these games now so you can see what my defensive thought process is lol

compact vine
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do you need me for anything

compact vine
naive orbit
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i need everyone here

compact vine
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okay but are you looking to run some games or what

naive orbit
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yk what

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sure

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someday virus

naive orbit
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chat

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chat

supple fern
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what

naive orbit
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Guess what

supple fern
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is it sf related

past spoke
naive orbit
naive orbit
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but I wanna learn a new character

past spoke
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that’s fine

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exploring the cast is always a good thing to do

woven field
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thats w news

compact vine
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yeah play someone cool like JP

woven field
compact vine
naive orbit
naive orbit
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guys

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I think

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I may have rotted my fucking brain

past spoke
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why

naive orbit
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So I recently got cod mw3

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and yesterday I decided

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I'll go for a camo grind

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I have never

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grinded camos in cod

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Not even something as sinple as gold camo

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So I started yesterday and now my fucking brain hurts

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I got my assult rifles playinum and my smgs are abt to be platinum as well

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The amount of shipment I've played today mightve actually fucked up my brain

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I am

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just

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like

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I actually think I have a headache from grinding camos all day

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Anyway

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I'll be back on sf6 maybe later today

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I'll hit up the lab and figure some shit out

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I'll need @past spoke and @supple fern

past spoke
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ok

supple fern
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what's up

naive orbit
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get back on sf6

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I've been on like

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a shit ton of cod lately

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my brain fucking hurts

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Imma make it 10x worse by playing sf

naive orbit
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but srs guys

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my head hurts

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yall prolly dont play anything besides fighters

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but shooters will fuck up ur head if u play to much

past spoke
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i played shooters most of my life

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i picked up fighting games with sf6

naive orbit
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wait fr?

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lol I was plat in mw2 if that means anything but my aim sucks

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cod is barely an fps game anymore it's just brainrot

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WAIT YALL PLAY SHOOTERS?

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cocomelon for edgy teens

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yeah but not anymore

naive orbit
supple fern
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deserved

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I use shipment to grind camos

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jesus christ

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that shit will fuck you up

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I was having fun

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kinda

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I fucking hate stun kill challenges

naive orbit
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because mw3 is garbage lol

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takes so long to kill anybody now it feels so mushy

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okay what abt "other" shooters

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and now valorant

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don't play any of those

naive orbit
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none of the other shooters on the market rn are any good lol

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aside from like hd2

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u got

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fortnite

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apex

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valorant is probably the best tacshooter out there

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actually nvm

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exactly

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not apex

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apex is...

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apex is fuckingnup rn

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fortnite also fucking cut its own dick off

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WOAH THERE

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NAH

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with the weird thing where you can now get indicators for stuff like half a map away

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fortnite is in a good state rn

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what the fuck kind of gameplay choice is that

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aint nun wrong w fortnite

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valorant is for cringe discord e daters

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plus the community is severely toxic

past spoke
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lion*

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and whats wrong w lion

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yk how balanced he is now? ☠️

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siege is garbage but I play it anyway for some reason

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is boo boo

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I played it once

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also

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no i mean the game went downhill since he came out

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maestro and alibi were cool releases

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wtf is up with one sided gunfights in balorant

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I would turn the corner and just fucking die

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also

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recoil

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yes

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why is recoil in val so fucking hard

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it's a tactical shooter

naive orbit
past spoke
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I see someone

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I shoot until they are dead

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you are usually dead before your 5th shot

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in bad lobies

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in good lobbies yu don't get to shoot most of the times

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val to hard

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I'm also js ass

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but val to hard

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I'm used to cago

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I'm not used to some blonde bitch 50 feet in the air throwing knifes at me

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yes valo is super hard and requires a lot of dedication

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that's why i'm not playing it lately

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u gotta play fortnite w me

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I'm a zoomer

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I'll carry

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i played the first 4 seasons

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i have the black knight skin on ps4 lol

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I have blue squire

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I didnt max that bp 😔

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tired of battle passes tbh

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fomo is aids

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Ay

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battlepass is a battlepass

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yes it is

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but i want to remember this should be the coaching channel

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Now if u wanna talk abt shit battlepasses we can talk abt cod

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cod battlepass is ASSSSSS

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WTF IS BLACKCELL

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U WANT ME TO PAY

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30 DOLLARS

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FOR A FUCKING BATTLEPASS

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YOU MUST BE OUT OF UR FUCKING MIND

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anyway

naive orbit
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I am convinced all zoomers need adhd medication at this point

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I just like to talk

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I like talking to people abt the shit I do

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Is that bad?

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I like talking to my gf abt the shit I do when no one else wants to listen

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it tends to be, we have #sf_chat for general stuff

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they not gon wanna talk abt cod w me there

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probably not

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i mean there are a lot of people with a lot of interests

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I doubt any of those married adults have the same interests as me

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the thing is, imagine these extra coaches channels like extensions of #sf_coaching but for long convos

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yeah

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@naive orbit if all you want to do is chill and talk in a space for you thats cool but do that in sf chat or some other gen chat

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but this thread is taking up space at the top of the threads that could be better allocated towards people who are looking for coaching advice

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im going to lock this thread as its gone pretty off topic. if you want to continue this conversation I encourage you to join the rest of the community in #sf_chat , #tekken_chat , #nch_chat or any of the other general chats.

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bruhhhhhh