#General coaching for Spectre
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ye i’ll do it as soon as i get home
when I was in the dumps earlier today abt ranked
I tried chun li
why is she a charge character
this is good
WAIT I CAN DO SOME SHIT LIKE TEKKEN AND JUST DUCK?
tatsu is a high lol
you can do fHP xx qcfMK, fMP xx lvl1 if you don’t wanna spend meter
fHP is 15 frames startup tho
juri in japanese sounds cursed
@naive orbit do you know that juri lvl1 can be enhanced?
she's korean so I put her on jp voice lol
I feel like with lvl 3, that would do sm damage
what????
yeah if you hold the kick button for the whole thing you’ll use a stock to deal more damage
...
oh you need a stock for that link
THATS GAS
@supple fern can your record these for him cause i’ll be home in like 7 hours
ye np
tysm
the second one might whiff now that i look at it
PC stMP, crHP might whiff
it do
ok nvm then, lemme edit the message
to think I went from 5K LP to 9K
at -6 the best no meter is probably the bnb
no meter and no stock
with stock you might get PC stMP xx qcfMK
-10 or more combo (I couldn't find an exactly -10 move lol)
oh I did light stock
medium works, do that
ohhhhh alr alr
Comboing after that special is hard
BRO THIS SONG GOES SO FUCKING HARDDDDDDD
yeah it’s not the easiest
yall gotta hear this song
your rule of thumb is:
-if i’m gonna cancel in SA3 end in qcfHK
-if i’m not gonna cancel in SA3 end in qcbMK
and here's the midscreen punish w/ meter combo that was suggested
whats sa?
super art
super
ohhh alr
i suggest spectre to train a lot the stMP, crMP after the crHP here
the timing isn’t as easy as it looks
it’s my next character that i want to learn after juri, i want the charge challenge
nearly any combo can be turned into a level 3 combo by changing the end special into qcf+hk, charge or no charge
you can super off qcbK too
true
but this deals more damage
my thought process usually is: “go for qcbK xx super if you are going to burnout but not kill”
because you have 1 more stock now
and being burnout against a juri with 3 stocks is gg
idk if you are aware @naive orbit but in burnout your fireball becomes +1 point blank
you can go into super 3 off light store to secure a kill at the end of a round
Light DP also works
damn I gotta learn juri lmao
the input is a bit harder tho
she’s super fun
afaik
yeah, it's hard, but connects off 3 lights and is significantly more consistent at longer ranges. learn it if you can
good correction
btw @naive orbit for gold elo the plan is:
-Work hard on our antiairs, because now i’m seeing you are struggling with those
-try to stay more on the ground, jumping is good but too much jumping will get you killed
-let’s start paying a bit more attention to your drive meter and your opponent’s, people will start getting a bit more scary in burnout
at gold3 we’ll add more stuff
I'd mention DI too
oh yeah
now's the time to form good habits
100%
I need sparring
yeye i totally forgot
against characters
I'll play you rn
Especially dlc characters
I'm in bed

you can be pretty late too with lvl3
because the first 2 hits are cancelable
my bedtime is 3am and it is 2:56 rn
when do you wake up
I couldn't get it after the third hit
yeah the third is not cancelable
I feel like I cant anti-air people when theyre right fucking above me cause they keep fucking jumping sm
also
please help me with grabs
how do people buffer a jab
into a grab
they will do some unsafe shit
I go to punish it
you use Medium DP at close range
yeah your anti airs can whiff on close jumps, use air throw
so I should just jump up at close range for good measures?
we've been over this, I have shit reaction time
cr.hp CAN work but it's not consistent. the range is very limited
I can barely react to di's
and do air throw yea
other buttons will put you at a frame disadvantage because they flip out and land
with characters I struggle against
or do u js got these on deck?
I'm doing these rn
I think u can
I saw that in a combo trial
I think
try it
no
but you can punish throws with fj MP xx OD divekick
big read tho
if I play a character I can play them against you, and I am willing to learn others for the sake of coaching
trust me with training you can get them

because you get to a point where you are expecting it
it’s not a reaction, you feel that at a certain range they’ll jump
as the one on the corner?
there is no universal option
it's mostly a guess ngl
cause sometimes I jump on wake up or dp and that shit just goes terrible
I dont DI on wakeup tho
I've never tried it
don’t
it’s really really bad
which is to say, your primary defense in the corner should be holding down back and looking for DI
It's not tekken, it's hard to fucking see when it's coming
my plan usually is:
first wakeup i block, and just look at my opponent, what did he do?
-he went for an hit->keep blocking
-he went for a throw->time to guess again
-he walked back->he’s trying to bait something
then wtf do I do
in lower elos i would suggest you to just block, most people won’t keep you in the corner, try to walk up a bit when they go back
just take the throw?
kinda
there is a thing but it’s a bit early to introduce it imo
so I'm supposed to benefit myself by taking a throw loop?
if you anticipate a throw loop you can tech it
I can barely tech throws in tekken ☠️
yk how hard teching in tekken is
it's not just 2 buttons tech every grap
it's a guess but you're forced to guess because you're in the corner
that shit is limb dependant
the easiest way to not get in that situation is to not get there in the first place
it's like wall
do everything you can to stay out of wall
I need better DI reaction time
the big thing is don’t panic in the corner
I see them do the di and I dont react, I just tank it
especially with juri be careful because her OD DP whiffs on jumping targets if you do it in wakeup
anti-di tech
🥁
they have presets for everything?
basically
THEY HAVE WHIFF TRAINING?
I did tell you actually 
LEMME LOOK AT THIS LIST AHAIN
i’m pretty sure we did
it's not actually a training setting it shows an explanation for the frame meter at the bottom
sets dummy to jab after blocking so you can practice airtight pressure
Imagine being able to punish a jab
you can’t realistically, but you can hit him before he presses it
a true block string will counter hit the jab
which is why it's "airtight" because jabs are your fastest moves
a fake block string will get interrupted
I seeeeeeeeeee
*frametrap
true strings mean that you will continue blocking even after letting go of back
also guys, yall gotta play tekken w me one day
yeah sorry
Ik those
I do that in tekken
i mixed the words
people tend to mash on my plus frames so I trap them
I do the plus frame move then follow it up by a move that guarentees a conter hit when they mash on it
then I get a full combo punish off of it
I'm big brain
it’s the same is sf
It dont feel the same 😔
also guys
yk those times where u get a drive impact off and they end up floating in the air
or u get a heavy hit counter and they're floating in the air
how tf do u combo off that
Hmmm I see
you usually do Heavy DP
heavy dp works too lol
that shit is so akward
how plus are you after this?
+30 
HOLY
I managed to get +32
Bruh wtf 😭
oh not enough for free LK store
sad
@supple fern juri gets a framekill L stock after M Stock ender in the corner
and she’s +3
fucking insane
WAIT
you’ll learn all of this in plat
WAIT WHY DOES THAT DO SM DAMAGE
OFF A ANTI AIR DI
WAIT WHAT IF YOU AMPLIFIED THE DIVEKICK INTO SOMETHING?
normal divekick followup has no followups
so u cant amplify the divekick?
what do you mean with amplified
You do the mp into divekick after the DI
but what if u amplify the divekick
and follow it up with like a lvl 1 or something
oh OD?
mhm
OD divekick?
that could work but also you're not going to be hitting this situation that often lol
People usually js say amplify there
you can get a DP after or diveckick, i’m not 100% sure about lvl1
Bro is labbing in real time ☠️
after od dk?
yea'
do yk how big juri's od dk gap is?
even ik that
that gap is fucking massive
i pretty much never use it tbh
you actually should delay level 1 a bit probably lol
nah it’s pretty bad outside of throw punishes
try it after throw punish please
the fj mp>od dk
korean juri sounds so cursed ☠️
oh also
speaking of traps
it’s a good habit to learn
when I use my stock projectile
on the floor
and they jum
I feel like I do it to far away to bait an anti air
delayed the throw timing slightly too much for punish counter but same result
you shake in excitement because that’s your best possible outcome ever
you walk behind your fireball while it travels
super good, tysm
I was once told to dr behind it and do that one overhead kick
you stock fireball
yes you can do it
yeah that's if they sit down
fireball does not hit low
it's a mid
despite how it looks
but it's scary lockdown
but first they need to be trained to not jump
like a dog
juri fireball is by far the best fireball in the game
HUH?
even the wiki jokes about it
how?
and if they block you still have + frames after the overhead because dr is fucking stupid lmao
it’s -3 oB, slow enough to walk behind it but still fast enough to drive rush behind it, enables insane frame traps, they have low recovery, they go under other fireballs, the fading animation is misleading
this is completely a side tangent but is there a mod to make juri's vfx entirely violet instead of this hybrid sfv/sf4 thing
that makes me wonder something
I heard people hated v trigger, but people seem to hate dr as well
which do yall hate more?
definitely vt
i love both
too much unique shit that everybody had to learn
but i have not played sfv seriously
learning matchups was a nightmare and sfv was knowledge check fighter 5
I love sf5
sf5 to me is the ttt2 of sf
lol
and by ttt2 I mean tekken tag tournament 2
trust me I can make you hate it within like an hour
best tekken game ever
I dont even have enough characters
another thing about fireball spectre
is that fireball is basically free pressure for you
because while they are blocking it you can get pressure going
Can I get a grab off of it
you cannot grab during blockstun
but a lot of people will parry as soon as the fb is approaching
fair enough
you can fdash grab them before the fireball reaches
yk im boutta sound like a dumbass
remember catching mashing? fireball is a situation to apply it
the more stupid question the better
but what benefit do u get by parrying moves and fireballs?
drive gauge
ik parrying di is good
you don’t lose drive
it really isn’t unless you PP it
but that's niche and takes more knowledge
oh right cause u lose meter on block to some things
you want to parry DI when you have less than a bar and a half because you will burnout
I think I've only ever gotten like 4 pps
SPEAKING OF PP
if I have life to spare I will intentionally make opponents counter DI me and burn themselves out
I am evil
since I'm in gold, and mfs love to use target combos
wait it deals 1.5 bars?
should I learn to pp target combos?
i remembered 0.5 on block
it deals half a bar but countering the DI eats a bar and .4 of a bar of drive is basically burnout lol
oh yeah makes sense
technically the rule could be "less than a bar" but please just do 1.5 bars as rule of thumb
I beg
yeah parrying DI is also good if countering it kills you/you get wallsplat into death
but all of this is really technical stuff for now
your main concerns now are:
-anti airs
-jumps
-DIs
not now
vis is learning it now and he’s 1650 MR
but people love to spam target combos down here
I've had to learn to punish that dumbass ken kick combo
also
are all target combos unsafe?
Is MR higher then LP?
here's what I mean lol I will deliberately eat this to force burnout
JP’s one is safe iirc
once you get master LP are worthless
you get MR
1650 is like top 0.5% of players
for reference I am ~1400MR
how much mr u got goblin?
man i’m still destroyed by that losing streak
it don't matter unless you are like above 1700 imo
1450 to 1286 in one sitting baby
I'm guessing Vis is @supple fern
idk what vis is
no vis is another guy
ohhh alr
deejay main
because I can always learn something
super good
I feel like if I get better at sf, my gf will leave me
what
the better u are at video games, the less women u talk to
ESPECIALLY
for certain games
unless ur Tenz
what
yessirrrrrr
yes
ye sf is an oldhead game
we are not living in a disney channel film spectre
I'd say 70% of this server is 🤣 in tekken chat it's more like 80% somehow
long term relationship or married
damn tekken makes gets you more girls….
statistically playing fighting games should then grant you a higher chance at finding a wife the older you get 
Calling people "chat" is the fast track to zero bitches
i'm a bit more believable now @naive orbit
congrats
nice, now try not to fall under 1400MR challenge
WWWWWWWW
leon
is that u in ur pfp?
is that spanish?
what language is that?
what kind of spaghetti
because like, a good pasta con le cozze is 100x better than a pizza
yeah
no shit? where from? did we talk about this already? haha
majestic ah mf
cheers
yeah we already did, we are like 1 hour and a half away 
it is fucking good
Can you give me culinary coaching
@naive orbit I got a weirdass schedule but I can play in about an hour if you want lmao
my dad kicked me off for the night cause apperantly I yelled
gotta chill, we keep telling you
i can’t cook but i can suggest good food
That's just as good imo
the least famous delicious italian foods are:
-Pisarei e fasoi
-Marubini
-Pumpkin Torelli (Tortelli di zucca in italian do be sure)
-Aglio olio e Peperoncino probably is the easiest and most delicious pasta you can get
-A well made Bruschetta
Def gonna see if there are any mom and pop italian places near me this weekend
I was on fortnite zb ranked w the bros
I'm almost at elite
Guaranteed bitches obviously
I did have a rather strange idea @past spoke since the goal is to get to anticipating jumps and DI, I was thinking of recording some Juri games with my mic enabled and attempting to vocally point out my thought process as much as possible
Especially since I have a horribly weird schedule working third shift this may be more productive than actually trying to play spectre
u talkin abt me?
Ye that's fair but I was thinking someone like virus, phil or mittens might
yes
Idk
phil is west?
I have a new pressure method
explain
hit confirm into DI in the corner
unless my opponent is fucking justin wong, they not reacting to that shi
try analyzing the risk reward of that
nuh uh
what if you hit it, what if they DI back
Nuh uh
Ok I definitely gotta record these games now so you can see what my defensive thought process is lol
oh yeah im west coast if you need someone to play with and give you feedback
what
Guess what
is it sf related
i hope so
yeah
thats actually crazy
but I wanna learn a new character
thats w news
yeah play someone cool like JP
yeah maybe you shouldn't be allowed to cook

no...
why
So I recently got cod mw3
and yesterday I decided
I'll go for a camo grind
I have never
grinded camos in cod
Not even something as sinple as gold camo
So I started yesterday and now my fucking brain hurts
I got my assult rifles playinum and my smgs are abt to be platinum as well
The amount of shipment I've played today mightve actually fucked up my brain
I am
just
like
I actually think I have a headache from grinding camos all day
Anyway
I'll be back on sf6 maybe later today
I'll hit up the lab and figure some shit out
I'll need @past spoke and @supple fern
ok
what's up
I might
get back on sf6
I've been on like
a shit ton of cod lately
my brain fucking hurts
Imma make it 10x worse by playing sf
ty maam
but srs guys
my head hurts
yall prolly dont play anything besides fighters
but shooters will fuck up ur head if u play to much
wait fr?
lol I was plat in mw2 if that means anything but my aim sucks
cod is barely an fps game anymore it's just brainrot
WAIT YALL PLAY SHOOTERS?
Shipment fucked me up today 😭
deserved
ay
I was having fun
kinda
I fucking hate stun kill challenges
why not? :/
okay what abt "other" shooters
don't play any of those
EWWWWWWWWW
valorant is probably the best tacshooter out there
actually nvm
exactly
fortnite also fucking cut its own dick off
with the weird thing where you can now get indicators for stuff like half a map away
fortnite is in a good state rn
what the fuck kind of gameplay choice is that
aint nun wrong w fortnite
siege better
valorant is for cringe discord e daters
plus the community is severely toxic
siege is a mess since lyon came out
siege is garbage but I play it anyway for some reason
valorant
is boo boo
I played it once
also
no i mean the game went downhill since he came out
maestro and alibi were cool releases
wtf is up with one sided gunfights in balorant
I would turn the corner and just fucking die
also
recoil
yes
why is recoil in val so fucking hard
it's a tactical shooter
siege recoil aint that bad compared to val
you usually don't shoot more then 4 bullets in a row
I empty the whole mag
I see someone
I shoot until they are dead
you are usually dead before your 5th shot
in bad lobies
in good lobbies yu don't get to shoot most of the times
val to hard
I'm also js ass
but val to hard
I'm used to cago
I'm not used to some blonde bitch 50 feet in the air throwing knifes at me
yes valo is super hard and requires a lot of dedication
that's why i'm not playing it lately
goblin
u gotta play fortnite w me
I'm a zoomer
I'll carry
Now if u wanna talk abt shit battlepasses we can talk abt cod
cod battlepass is ASSSSSS
also
WTF IS BLACKCELL
U WANT ME TO PAY
30 DOLLARS
FOR A FUCKING BATTLEPASS
YOU MUST BE OUT OF UR FUCKING MIND
anyway
we can go off topic a lil
I am convinced all zoomers need adhd medication at this point
I just like to talk
I like talking to people abt the shit I do
Is that bad?
I like talking to my gf abt the shit I do when no one else wants to listen
it tends to be, we have #sf_chat for general stuff
they not gon wanna talk abt cod w me there
probably not
i mean there are a lot of people with a lot of interests
I doubt any of those married adults have the same interests as me
the thing is, imagine these extra coaches channels like extensions of #sf_coaching but for long convos
yeah
@naive orbit if all you want to do is chill and talk in a space for you thats cool but do that in sf chat or some other gen chat
but this thread is taking up space at the top of the threads that could be better allocated towards people who are looking for coaching advice
im going to lock this thread as its gone pretty off topic. if you want to continue this conversation I encourage you to join the rest of the community in #sf_chat , #tekken_chat , #nch_chat or any of the other general chats.
bruhhhhhh


