🛌・bedwars

[cursive tundra]

or are you scared

[old forge]

But seems like random guy

[white fulcrum]

Midf me right now bro you isn’t good

[cursive tundra]

"tracking tool"

[slate snow]

In solos is crazy

[cursive tundra]

buddy you're not a hacker LOL

[cursive tundra]

how

[white fulcrum]

He’s level 64

or something

Not an alt

[old forge]

0/1 rage bait

[cursive tundra]

"my tracker tool" i have to go use my trackertool guys

to track folks

[old forge]

😭 mate who are you

[white fulcrum]

Because it doesn’t mean anything if you really wanna try and beat me midf me

[old forge]

Holy ego

[cursive tundra]

Is this channel called midf ?

its bedwars. its about 25 percent pvp

[old forge]

your not a "part" of the game so you won't understand what i mean

[cursive tundra]

midf proves nothing except a slight advantage in a game

[white fulcrum]

Keep dodging buddy

You know you’d lose

[cursive tundra]

Keep dodging me

I might lose a midf you're right

im not really bragging about any pvp skills

[old forge]

😭😭

[cursive tundra]

im above average

[old forge]

your probably s tier bro

[cursive tundra]

i am 99th percentile in the game of bedwars though

[old forge]

Your best bedwars player

[white fulcrum]

💀💀💀💀

Holy ego bro

[old forge]

Exactly your best be player

[cursive tundra]

pvp is about 25 percent of bedwars

[old forge]

We should make u a role here

[white fulcrum]

Dis guy really said he’s better than 99% of players

[cursive tundra]

i am

[old forge]

Bro is Rushfan21128969

He's him

[cursive tundra]

i've met like 4-8 players who were technically and strategically better than me

[slate snow]

That means absolutely nothing

[cursive tundra]

who arent stackers

[cursive tundra]

in terms of pvp yeah it doesnt mean much

[white fulcrum]

Bro he’s better than 99% if people

[slate snow]

Average kdr in bedwars is like 0.2 and average winrate is like 2%

[old forge]

Yes give us another speech about playing the game right

[cursive tundra]

i make up a lot of my pvp in strategy

[cursive tundra]

i play it better than you

[slate snow]

He’s better than 99% of the samsungfridge com

Even that is pushing it

[old forge]

"pvp strats" 🥀💔

[old forge]

🤓

[cursive tundra]

Bedwars is a strategy game

[old forge]

Yeah definitely buddy

[cursive tundra]

undeniable

[slate snow]

Partly

[old forge]

No need to tell me that

🤓

[cursive tundra]

70 percent strategy

The fact you can win without pvp shows that

[urban breach]

any1 asia ;-;

[cursive tundra]

Clearly you dont know

[slate snow]

That’s cuz the players suck

[cursive tundra]

Not at all

[slate snow]

I’ve won bedwars games without hitting people before

[ocean scaffold]

U wanna play in an bw tournament dm me

[old forge]

Do u need a microphone and stand up on the stage so u can give us another speech about playing the game right when you only know how to camp your base??

[cursive tundra]

Good players get easily beat by dory and fireball

[slate snow]

Just trap and speef them

[old forge]

clearly no one knows you either

[cursive tundra]

they know me

[slate snow]

everyone hates people who do that

[old forge]

That's when the enemy is scared to fight

[cursive tundra]

it wins and its in the game

its strategy

[old forge]

No one knows you buddy 🥀💔

[slate snow]

There’s bats in baseball does that
Mean you hit ppl with them

[cursive tundra]

I dont care if i get nemo'd they beat me

[old forge]

🥀💔

[slate snow]

😭💔

[old forge]

Don't cry bro

[cursive tundra]

Nemo is in the game so you should use it

[old forge]

It's fine

[slate snow]

this guy is crazy

[cursive tundra]

???

[elder crypt]

Hi guys some people in the hive where flirting

In game chat

[old forge]

*Nemo is in the game so you should use it" 🤓☝️

[cursive tundra]

yeah?

your point???

[old forge]

I can't stop laughing bro

[elder crypt]

Can I join some1s game im bored

[cursive tundra]

There is no logical explination as to why someone should'nt use nemo

[old forge]

You can clearly see from his thinking that he's a random

[slate snow]

Make that a discord sticker

[cursive tundra]

gotta use the tracker tool to be sure

[white fulcrum]

No idea how

[old forge]

Failed attempt to ragebait 🥀💔

[slate snow]

I can do it if you want

[white fulcrum]

Do it

Every time he talks I send it

[old forge]

u need nitro i think

[cursive tundra]

You all fail to beat me in debate though

Cannot disprove my logic

[slate snow]

[cursive tundra]

wont mean anything unless you 1v1 me

[old forge]

bro you "clearly" died

[slate snow]

Emoji

[white fulcrum]

Yes you know the phrasing it’s impossible to beat stupid people in an argument

[cursive tundra]

smallest worst emoji

[old forge]

I can't see any game sense in your actual gameplay

[white fulcrum]

We did during that game just us 2 and I won

[cursive tundra]

i die in 30 percent of my games

[white fulcrum]

+ur dodging mids

[cursive tundra]

Lol

[cursive tundra]

Nope

Pvp isnt the entire game

[old forge]

you need fireballs and dorys bud

🥀💔

[cursive tundra]

I use them frequently yes

because they're the most overpowered items

[old forge]

That's not smart mate

[cursive tundra]

why would i want to give myself a disdadvantage??? Lol???

it is smart

[slate snow]

Yk, I was expecting a 0.5 kdr

But that’s actually not bad

I might dislike the guy, but I respect the stats

[cursive tundra]

I don't pride myself on kills or any comboing

[old forge]

If your actually talking about being good at pvp strats then go into 1v1s with swords only 🤓☝️ don't camp on base

[cursive tundra]

you have to try to do that

Camping on base is also a good strategy but only if your team is aligned to do it

but dorys are way too good to not use

especially in 1v4's

[old forge]

If you can actually use your mind there's something called "bow"

[cursive tundra]

Bow is good but not as good as dory

[old forge]

do you solo q?

[cursive tundra]

Yes

Dory is better bow

if you're getting pearl chased bow is useless

[urban breach]

any1 asia?

[winged robin]

just say youre not good at the game

[white fulcrum]

And your strategy didn’t work

[winged robin]

oh wait you already did

[winged robin]

HAHA

[cursive tundra]

Bedwars isn't battlearena

[hallow socket]

BRING BACK MEGA

[cursive tundra]

its a strategy game

[white fulcrum]

Your strategy didn’t work here

[winged robin]

if dorys and fireballs didnt exist your winrate would be less than 30 i bet

[cursive tundra]

Can't beat 1v4 targets

happens ocasionallu

y*

[cursive tundra]

Probably less but its hard to say

[white fulcrum]

No one targeted you plus you had a full squad too

[winged robin]

oh so you admit ur trashhh

[white fulcrum]

Just admit it bro you not good

[winged robin]

nice we agree on something

[cursive tundra]

I didn't

I have video proof of you targeting soo

[white fulcrum]

Show it

[winged robin]

*sweat parties

[cursive tundra]

and you wont 1v1....

[cursive tundra]

true

[white fulcrum]

Brother

[winged robin]

bc its a waste of time?

[cursive tundra]

if theyre targeting

[cursive tundra]

because scared i suppose

[white fulcrum]

I’m not playing you in a solos game it’s a waste of time

I told you I’m very down to midf you

But no you’re dodging you’re just scared

[cursive tundra]

I would still be above 70 percent without dory

[winged robin]

targeting or sniping

[cursive tundra]

So why are you willing to midf but not solos?

hello???

how does that make any sense LOL

[winged robin]

you JUST said maybe less

[cursive tundra]

Maybe less of a winrate than my current yes

Dorys are a solo-ques friend

but i can adabt

adapt*

[white fulcrum]

Because midfighting actually takes skill

[winged robin]

70 is.. really similar to 72 what are you talking abt

[white fulcrum]

Which you don’t have so no wonder you’re to scared to do it

[cursive tundra]

So does playing bedwars stratigically

If i wanted to pvp i'd play cubecraft

???

[winged robin]

lets be real youd play hive anyway

[white fulcrum]

Dis guy bro 😭

[cursive tundra]

Are you saying bedwars is only a pvp game

or are you dense

[winged robin]

also cubecraft has bot lobbies wdym

[cursive tundra]

Cubecraft has different problems

[winged robin]

like 50% is! whats your point

[cursive tundra]

25 percent is pvp

25 percent timing

[winged robin]

pvp can NOT be 25💔😭✌️

[cursive tundra]

25 percent strategy

and about 25 percent luck

[winged robin]

what does that even mean

[cursive tundra]

roughly

[winged robin]

LMAOO

[cursive tundra]

Getting to generators

Getting upgrades

[winged robin]

theres no luck in skill games! what are you talking about!!

[cursive tundra]

There

is

[winged robin]

no??😭😭

[cursive tundra]

Yes???

[winged robin]

girl.

[cursive tundra]

In any game going against other players you have luck

if there are multiple teams

Because if you're unlucky you get double pushed just for no reason

[winged robin]

ok what luck are we talking abt

[cursive tundra]

if you're lucky you could never get even chased after in an entire game

The luck is based upon other's actions

[winged robin]

situational luck or just straight luckiness

[cursive tundra]

Situational luck

which is luck

???

[winged robin]

so its.. not really luck is it

[cursive tundra]

It is

[winged robin]

listen man

[white fulcrum]

Was this luck?

[cursive tundra]

Do you think getting randomly double pushed to start a game is not unlucky?

[winged robin]

i get double pushed in solos and duos

[cursive tundra]

Its unlucky isnt it

[winged robin]

its really not that hard to just beat them

[cursive tundra]

Even if you beat them it disadvantages you

[winged robin]

do you struggle a basic 2v1?

[winged robin]

??

[cursive tundra]

If i get double pushed and win Im still late to mid

others had more time to prepare than me

[winged robin]

then.. suck it up

[cursive tundra]

thats called getting unlucky

I dont care? but it is unlucky undoubtbly

[winged robin]

wait wait wait

[cursive tundra]

im not complaining about luck

[winged robin]

theyre using a strategy and you call it luck

thats not luck atp

[cursive tundra]

No because it isn't always strategy

If two teams are set up to push at the same time especailly in squads,

they cannot coordinate that

it would have to happen naturally on both sides

because you'd need to time your resources perfectly to full push off spawn

and if both teams do that its not because they decided to target the same person because of the double pressure, thats impossible without crossteaming

[winged robin]

not a problem for sweat parties, theyve been doing that forever

[cursive tundra]

Yeah exactly so if they double push off spawn the same person that is unlucky

not a double teaming strategy

[winged robin]

third partying exists

[cursive tundra]

Yeah exactly

a third party off of spawn is unlucky

Undeniable

Moments like that happen in games

[winged robin]

its unfortunate, yes, but its not unlucky? they just happen to notice you fighting and take advantage of the low health

[covert solar]

Like bro, we'll destroy dzoir is mobile tbh.

[cursive tundra]

No because the intention was to always push

Thats why they have it set up to full rush with wool instantly

they were pushing regardless

They wouldnt have seen the third party if they werent

Because off spawn means first 15 iron is used on that push

Means it had to be premeditated from both sides

[winged robin]

??

[cursive tundra]

Yes?

2 wool stacks and a sword

Full push

straight onto another team

[winged robin]

first of all no ones waiting that long

i thought we knew that

[cursive tundra]

They do

Thats only an extra 4 seconds ish after the first 5 cycle

its the fastest possible way to another team with a sword

[cursive tundra]

Even if they both 8 pushed with just wool thats unlucky

you're acting like luck doesnt exist LOL???

[winged robin]

whoever stqrgzinq is actually has a W username

smart with the q

[white fulcrum]

Yeah it’s tuff

[cursive tundra]

always funny when you guys lose to me

[white fulcrum]

You’ve NEVER beaten me

And this speaks for itself

[winged robin]

19 seconds is not 15 iron what are you talking about

[winged robin]

you lost buddy

[cursive tundra]

Ok so how long is 10 iron

In your opinion

[winged robin]

30 seconds (thats not an opinion, that is a fact)

[cursive tundra]

30 seconds, so im not sure why you said 19 then LOL/

Im pretty sure its less than 30

fairly certain

[winged robin]

4 + 15 is 19. 45 is not 19.

[cursive tundra]

So are you saying a 5 cycle is 15 seconds?

[winged robin]

ive been saying that bro💔💔

[cursive tundra]

Ok then it would be 22 seconds to 15 iron

only an extra 8 seconds

to get a sword? squads do that

[winged robin]

im so done with you bro😭😭😭

[cursive tundra]

because you lost

as always

[ocean scaffold]

Wsp dynasty how u been

[winged robin]

no, because you LITERALLY cannot do third grade math

do you even know your times tables???

[cursive tundra]

5 cycle (15 seconds), plus half of that (3 iron) would be an extra 8ish seconds.

Because you combine the final 5 of the two generators

[cursive tundra]

do YOU know math

is the question

[winged robin]

ok well clearly i didnt know that you were talking about squads

[cursive tundra]

Yeah you're dumb

[winged robin]

maybe specify that next time

[cursive tundra]

I have added context to let you know it was squads

You're illiterate

[winged robin]

im not the one at fault here??

[ocean scaffold]

What’s going on here?

[cursive tundra]

You can't pickup context clues? is that what you're saying

you're oblivious to context?

[winged robin]

3 x 3 is 9. that is not "eight ish"

[cursive tundra]

24 seconds then

[cursive tundra]

context 1

[winged robin]

ok but who even waits 24 seconds. most sweat squads wait until the first 5 cycle is over

i know this because ive literallt been in a few grind squads

[cursive tundra]

Its usually the first stack goes with double wool

then the third teammate comes with sword while theyre bridging

The push is still with sword

[winged robin]

yap

[cursive tundra]

and its still unlucky to be double pushed this way

[cursive tundra]

disproved or are you just lazy?

one or the other

The fact I haven't lost a discussion to anyone in this discord is embarassing for you guys

[winged robin]

honestly im gonna be real and just tell you to deal with it

[white fulcrum]

Do you know the phrase you can’t beat stupid people in an argument

[winged robin]

@cursive tundra the fact you lost THIS is embarrassing

[cursive tundra]

I do deal with it LOL?? i dont complain

[white fulcrum]

No matter the evidence against you nothing can change your opinion

[cursive tundra]

Not really

i haven't been provided evidence ever

[lunar quarry]

bedwars beef #88

[cursive tundra]

I dont complain about luck

[winged robin]

glad to be here

[cursive tundra]

everyone has to deal with it

but it does exist

[winged robin]

you JUST did

??😭😭😭

[cursive tundra]

when

[cursive tundra]

I said its part of the game

and its equally likely to happen to everyone

but it is apparent in a lot of games, and impacts their outcomes

[cursive tundra]

How is that complaining

[winged robin]

i just realized you keep switching up ur argument

[cursive tundra]

Im explaining the hypothetical of a double push

[winged robin]

"its not unlucky" "no"

[cursive tundra]

Im not complaining that luck exists in the universe lol??

[lunar quarry]

the context of this argument is dumb and flawed

[cursive tundra]

You said it wasn't unlucky

[lunar quarry]

idk anymore

[winged robin]

whos

[lunar quarry]

whoevers

[cursive tundra]

Lets clarify this then

[winged robin]

pls be honest if its me bc idek anymore

[cursive tundra]

Bedwars is 25 percent luck

Just like sports, or anything with variable positions and strategies of players

Luck occurs in these things,

And impacts the outcomes,

[bronze island]

Luck

[cursive tundra]

Denying this is quite dense (as you've done)

[winged robin]

you called me fat

reported

[cursive tundra]

Ok report it

I called you stupid not fat but sure

[bronze island]

Oh wow💀

[cursive tundra]

You might be too dense to understand the word dense as well

[winged robin]

im not that dumb. i think youre the dense one for not understanding what context is

[cursive tundra]

Context of what

[winged robin]

see context matters

[cursive tundra]

you just denied the existance of luck for 10 minutes

[winged robin]

luck obviously exists

ok so is bedwars a strategy game or a fighting game

[cursive tundra]

Strategy game revolving around the mechanics of a fighting game

[cursive tundra]

Its a strategy game within a fighting game

with elements of luck

[winged robin]

not a HINT of the word luck in there

[cursive tundra]

i just said luck

can you see correctly

[winged robin]

oh

discord didnt scroll it down for me whoops

[lunar quarry]

so it’s both

[cursive tundra]

its 25 25 25

and the other is timing which you could associate with strategy

Depending on what you think about timing and whether it is strategy a lot of the time

[winged robin]

33 strategy
67 fighting

[cursive tundra]

Nope because you can win games easily without fighting

also all the best items are strategic

[cursive tundra]

and the element of building is purely strategic

[cursive tundra]

easily

[winged robin]

bro pointed out the flaw in his own argument

[cursive tundra]

PVP is just a tool of the strategy to eliminate players

[cursive tundra]

how

[winged robin]

idk abt you

[cursive tundra]

what

im arguing fighting is less important

[winged robin]

but you sure as hell cant win EASILY without fighting😭😭

[cursive tundra]

you can

Pearl spam with pots and dorys

[winged robin]

at the start?? arguably one of the more important parts of the game??

[bronze island]

Oh my🤢🤮

[winged robin]

arguably the most important actually

[cursive tundra]

25 percent of the game.

strategy is the most important

[winged robin]

soo ur not good

is what ur saying

[gilded dawn]

Are you gonna keep count for how many times they have the same talk over and over again? Because of what I know, it's about 1 million rn

[cursive tundra]

the strategy to set yourself up with items

[cursive tundra]

dorys are the best item

pearls are tied

actually pearls might be better

[winged robin]

the strategy is to not be horrendous enough to even rely on those items in the first place

[cursive tundra]

distance is more important

[lunar quarry]

i don’t even know

[cursive tundra]

its the most overpowered item

why would i not use it

[winged robin]

||tbh i kinda do this for fun||

[lunar quarry]

all i know is that bedwars is a mode for people to get mad in because they died

[cursive tundra]

i have a chance to get the most overpowered item in the game? why would i say no?? LOL??

[winged robin]

LOL REAL

[lunar quarry]

just saying

[cursive tundra]

I dont get mad at bedwars unless i make a mistake

its annoying missing a pearl tbh

[gilded dawn]

That's why my right hand been hurting for a few days

[winged robin]

do you.. buy a dory every single game?

[cursive tundra]

Most games

[lunar quarry]

gonna be a whole documentary of the top 100 players duking it out over logic

[winged robin]

oml

[cursive tundra]

Unless the players are really bad then i just win the game easily and move on

i search for the harder games

[winged robin]

so you do suck

[cursive tundra]

Not really i win 72 percent of games

[winged robin]

girl nothings hard about a fighting game if all you do is spam stuff at ppl💔💔

[cursive tundra]

No it is harder if you get a 1v4 against randoms

if they are competent

cluching end game is the most fun part

because it requires precision

[winged robin]

oh right
you play squads
do you rely on your teammates too??

[cursive tundra]

with pearls, and dorys, and timing, and blocks

i dont play with teams i solo que

[winged robin]

"i solo q squad bedwars and theres always sweat parties. i wonder if no one likes me bc of the strategy i have"

[cursive tundra]

I take pride in beating them if there are sweat parties

because they think its a cake walk insta win and i beat them even if they sweat

[winged robin]

you take pride in no effort being put in?

thats kinda lame tbh

[cursive tundra]

they put in effort

i put in effort

whos not putting in effort??

[white fulcrum]

Nice effort

[winged robin]

dory is not effort wdym

[cursive tundra]

dory is effort

[winged robin]

😭😭

[winged robin]

BYE WHAT

[cursive tundra]

the dory itself isnt the effort its aquiring them while being chased,

[cursive tundra]

because you need like 6,

[cursive tundra]

and usually a sweat squad is good enough to clear the map before generators allow you the time to get six

plus pearls,

[cursive tundra]

the skill is in evading and aquiring the emeralds to buy the dories + pearls

[winged robin]

six emeralds or six dories

[cursive tundra]

6 dories is usually good for a full squad of 4

maybe more

Depends on luck again...

[winged robin]

no it literally doesnt

just aim

[cursive tundra]

NO

No*

Dorys can dud

and not have knockback

Thats how they balanced them

[winged robin]

*jump reset

[cursive tundra]

They arent guranteed

[winged robin]

if ur good enough it literally wont do anything

[white fulcrum]

Dories weren’t able to prevent this

[cursive tundra]

Eventually it will

[winged robin]

unless you have multiple like you

[cursive tundra]

Yes exactly

usually the 2nd gets them

its rare to make it to three

[winged robin]

ur actually so weird if you RELY on a ridiculously op item just to win

[cursive tundra]

explain why you wouldnt use the most overpowered item

???

especially in a 4v1??

[winged robin]

so that i actually learn how to play instead of.. not learning at all?😭😭

[winged robin]

well thats a squad issue first of all

[cursive tundra]

im not really interested in the pvp of minecraft

its kinda boring the skill gap isnt enough

[winged robin]

then dont play bedwars

simple

[cursive tundra]

no i play bedwars because its strategy

not pvp oriented

i constantly outsmart people who are better at pvp then me, which proves that

[winged robin]

it quite literally is pvp oriented what??

[cursive tundra]

??

strategy trumps pvp

[winged robin]

because they actually put in effort into practice instead of relying on op weapons hope this helps

[cursive tundra]

if i wanted pvp id play battle arena

[lunar quarry]

i thought the entire point of bedwars was to fight people, not just strategize

[winged robin]

i know right like what

[cursive tundra]

you fight people but the actually hitting aspect is minmal

[lunar quarry]

not to say strategy is bad

but pvp is a must

[cursive tundra]

minecraft pvp itself is very 2 dimensional and has a very low amount of skills

[winged robin]

exactly

[cursive tundra]

well the game itself is "player vs player" but the fighting aspect isnt important

[winged robin]

what😭😭😭😭😭😭

[cursive tundra]

it is

[obsidian ermine]

It is

[cursive tundra]

hit jump and move are the only controls

[cursive tundra]

it isnt at all

[lunar quarry]

so it’s not a pvp mode then

[cursive tundra]

its a pvp mode that is dominated by strategy

more so than the pvp

[lunar quarry]

just say it’s both

[cursive tundra]

its both but one is more than the other

[obsidian ermine]

Bro u forget jump reseting,hit select, strafing and many more

[winged robin]

how can minecraft pvp require a low amount of skill if all you do is spam

[gilded dawn]

At this point it's just a play style

[cursive tundra]

you just described the controls of 'jump, hit, and move"

three controls

[lunar quarry]

yeah this

[winged robin]

u right

as i said

[cursive tundra]

in terms of video games Minecraft's fighting mechanics are the most boring and low IQ

[obsidian ermine]

Yeah by practicing u get to know those controls better and it makes ur pvp better

[winged robin]

.

[obsidian ermine]

I find them interesting

[cursive tundra]

three control mechanics are interesting?

[winged robin]

dory is also low iq?

[cursive tundra]

apebrained

[lunar quarry]

in certain cases, nah

[cursive tundra]

Dory is about accumulation of resource, pearl timing, and evading

[winged robin]

but if you are using them in like every other game you could say it is, right?

[lunar quarry]

that’s using them just because

i don’t really use dories

they aren’t as worth it

[cursive tundra]

Dory is just a tool to win, its the movement surrounding its use that is the IQ

[lunar quarry]

that

[winged robin]

sure i guess

[cursive tundra]

Yep

[gilded dawn]

Tbh I don't really mind how someone plays in a certain way, trolly, rush, camp base, spam, etc, it's just a play style at the end of the day (sure i get mad if its annoying or die by it, but its a play style they enjoy and have fun with the game), and what I learnt from all of this, it's just arguing your play style with other people imo at least

[cursive tundra]

I win again i suppose

[winged robin]

why do you care so much about winning arguments anyway

[cursive tundra]

the fact that anyone would think minecraft comboing is fun is quite ape-monkey-brained

[winged robin]

i thought you just wanted to talk about strategy
not winning arguments

[winged robin]

??

[cursive tundra]

it is until you attempt to belittle them

[white fulcrum]

Your strategy couldn’t stop this

[cursive tundra]

its true

[winged robin]

no you just hate skill

[lunar quarry]

it’s fun when it’s satisfying

[urban breach]

yo any1 asia pls 🙏 im on mah knees bro

[winged robin]

^

[cursive tundra]

Minecraft comboing is the most undynamic, least skill-gapped, least strategic, form of fighting in video games

[white fulcrum]

Bro hes dodging my mid fights and calling me scared for not wanting to play a 20 min game of solos where he js runs

[cursive tundra]

maybe paralleled by ffa cod

[lunar quarry]

huh.

[winged robin]

its not MEANT to be strategic. what the hell are you talking about

[lunar quarry]

combos aren’t skill

[winged robin]

LMAO

[cursive tundra]

yeah so its just ape brained

[winged robin]

its a bit of skill

[lunar quarry]

that doesn’t sound right

[cursive tundra]

its just spam sword and move

[gilded dawn]

So is dory

[lunar quarry]

yeah

[gilded dawn]

End of this talk.

[cursive tundra]

so if thats the aspect of the game you find fun you might be dense and ape brained

[winged robin]

dory isnt skill

[gilded dawn]

Spam

[cursive tundra]

dory when used to clutch 1v4's is 1000 percent more iq than any comboing

[gilded dawn]

Not skill, that's what he's referring too (at least from what I'm understanding)

[cursive tundra]

Dory is unskilled if you're going against noobs

[lunar quarry]

i think it’s just a necessity

[cursive tundra]

but so is anything

[cursive tundra]

Yeah it kinda is

[winged robin]

you call comboing ape brained (which i assume means dumb) but not dorys?

[cursive tundra]

Dorys require strategy

[lunar quarry]

can we all agree all of these depend on the situation?

[cursive tundra]

comboing is quite literally ape brained

unless it involves block placing parkour and use of other items

[winged robin]

what does that even mean

[cursive tundra]

which in that case is more stratefy than pvp

[winged robin]

ape brained?

[cursive tundra]

strategy*

[cursive tundra]

easily amused by something so simple and boring

primitive

dense.

[winged robin]

comboing.. isnt boring

[cursive tundra]

it is

its 3 controls

[winged robin]

its fun to look at

[cursive tundra]

its jump move click

[urban breach]

i think u just cant fathom the nuances behind the digital martial of pvp

[cursive tundra]

the movement is also minimal so the reaction speeds are less important

[cursive tundra]

i can because i play other games where it matters more

[winged robin]

like anything else in minecraft. whats new?

[gilded dawn]

True, and also fun to do, granted not fun when it happens to you though, granted again that's a skill issue if so happens

[cursive tundra]

exactly, so the pvp aspect is ape brained

[winged robin]

^

[cursive tundra]

hence why minecraft isnt designed to be a pvp game

the pvp is minmal and boring

[winged robin]

sounds like dory spam

[cursive tundra]

nope because thats strategy

[winged robin]

dory SPAM is strategy to you??

[cursive tundra]

it is

[winged robin]

😨😨😨

[cursive tundra]

as i explained previously

[winged robin]

spamming is NEVER a skill what?

so
spam is way better than comboing??

am i reading this right??

[cursive tundra]

the accumulation of dories is the skill, and the positioning to use them

read that

[winged robin]

getting emeralds is not a skill

[cursive tundra]

it is in endgame while being chased

it is

[winged robin]

they kinda just sit there yk

[winged robin]

ok well if theyre chasing you you can just get emeralds

theyre chasing you

[cursive tundra]

if 4 players chase you, it is a skill to get emeralds without getting killed, and also having the escape in order to buy pearls, and repeat the process

[gilded dawn]

I can at least agree to the positioning of using them, that's about it

[winged robin]

unless they try to cut you off but ykwim

[lunar quarry]

this is never gonna end

[cursive tundra]

with 4 players you get cut off

hence why its a skill to evade

[winged robin]

oh right you play squads

[cursive tundra]

and manage the resources

as i said many many times yes

[winged robin]

its kinda like talking to someone in a different language

i main solos you play squads

we dont rlly imagine the same things

[cursive tundra]

solos is too easy

[winged robin]

ok then play it

[cursive tundra]

i used to play solos until i realized beating one player is too easy

[hearty minnow]

Real

[winged robin]

or do you rely on teammates too much to do so

[cursive tundra]

i played solos my first 1000 games

i understand the strategies of it too

[winged robin]

why the hell would you purposefully q squads for a "better challenge"

just take solos

or are you scared without teammates

[cursive tundra]

because solos is too easy lol??

i want a 1v4 not a 1v1

[winged robin]

😭😭

[urban breach]

@cursive tundra what region r u in xd

[winged robin]

why would you even want that in the first place😭😭😭

so dumb

[hearty minnow]

Bc fun

[gilded dawn]

Bro wants the impossible

[cursive tundra]

because its more fun?

the more challenge the more fun

[hearty minnow]

This guy gets it

[cursive tundra]

easy is boring

[winged robin]

you would rather want to make your rounds "harder" on purpose than take free wins?💔💔

[cursive tundra]

yes

[gilded dawn]

Yeah when I'm getting comboed by 4 guys into a wall, that's not fun

[cursive tundra]

wins dont mean anything

[winged robin]

the hell is actually wrong with you

[cursive tundra]

you escape

the escape is the skill

as i've been saying

[winged robin]

oh so dorys dont mean anything to you now

[gilded dawn]

There's four of them, with granted, more items than tou

[winged robin]

rushfan is going to stop dory spamming guys!!

[cursive tundra]

the only wins that matters are the ones against the odds

[gilded dawn]

You will run out before them, then you will die

[cursive tundra]

This is a very noob mindset

[gilded dawn]

Almost no amount of "skill to escape" will save you

[winged robin]

thats like.. very few of them

???

[cursive tundra]

if you manage the game properly they will not have more resources

[winged robin]

MHM

[winged robin]

✅✅✅

[cursive tundra]

thats because you play solos because you dont like challenge because you just want win totals, even if the wins are against noobs

[lunar quarry]

this is some sun tzu logic

[winged robin]

solos is still challenging with the right players

you just choose squads for whatever reason

[cursive tundra]

not as challenging.

[winged robin]

idk ur weird like that

[gilded dawn]

That's like saying "ima play in a fortnite tournament blindfolded", you're not winning that, you're not winning a 1v4 in bedwars

[cursive tundra]

i want the most challenge

[cursive tundra]

well in that scenario you have realistically no chance

less than 0.00001%

[gilded dawn]

So in this one

[winged robin]

so is a bw 1v4

[cursive tundra]

in my scenario you have a chance, and your strategy is what wins you the game

not luck

[lunar quarry]

so if you were put into a 1v3 in a rocket league tournament at the highest rank, would you win?

[cursive tundra]

i wouldn't but if i was well versed in the game i would try yes

[winged robin]

oml

[cursive tundra]

because the win would be more fun

and epic

[lunar quarry]

that was a hypothetical question

[cursive tundra]

memorable

yes and i answered it hypothetically

?

it is but ok

yeah take that comment back

thats what i thought

[winged robin]

oop i was thinking abt rhetorical sorry

[cursive tundra]

never think you're literally better than me little bud

[winged robin]

it was a mistake??

whats your problem bro😭😭

[gilded dawn]

"Little bud"

[cursive tundra]

multiple mistakes in a row is a pattern

[winged robin]

what pattern

[cursive tundra]

not understanding context, being unable to have statistical literacy, and not understanding hypothetical

thats three off the top of my head

[winged robin]

thats not a pattern i fear

[cursive tundra]

it is

[winged robin]

literally 3 entirely different things😭😭😭

[cursive tundra]

its a pattern of not understanding literary devices

all of those things are literary devices

[winged robin]

still 3 different things my guy

[cursive tundra]

i just said they arent

they are under the same category of understanding

[winged robin]

2 of them are like

[cursive tundra]

3

[winged robin]

basically the same thing

[cursive tundra]

.

so you've contradicted yourself in 15 seconds time

[winged robin]

hmm lets see

[cursive tundra]

interesting.

[winged robin]

you literally blamed ME for getting the timing wrong for the 15 iron rush

and then you said "you cant understand context" like huh

[cursive tundra]

interesting you just brush past the 15 second contradiction

[winged robin]

not my fault i like solos better

[cursive tundra]

almost like that proves your denseness

[winged robin]

it HAPPENS

my god no ones perfect

[cursive tundra]

it clearly does to you a lot.

seems like you need to develop more critical thinking skills.

[winged robin]

it was a mix up between rhetorical and hypothetical

they rhyme so i got confused

[cursive tundra]

it was 4 different things now actually

[winged robin]

you happy

[cursive tundra]

4 things.

[empty storm]

anyone wanna play bedwars i aint played in a while

[cursive tundra]

not that one

it was that and 3 others.

[winged robin]

??

[cursive tundra]

3

plus the 10 second contradicton

4 and counting

[winged robin]

*15

[winged robin]

thats.. still 2 i hope yk that

[cursive tundra]

im talking about THIS contradiction

[winged robin]

you said 10

[cursive tundra]

.

[cursive tundra]

.

very clear insight into your mental capabilities

in which i do laps around you

[winged robin]

ok well you literally interrupted me when i said basically the same thing

[cursive tundra]

Well you contradicted yourself

[cursive tundra]

and you dont know what hypothetical means

and you struggle picking up context clues.

[cursive tundra]

my interuption had no impact on anything

[gilded dawn]

It did

[winged robin]

and why do you keep going back to this?

[gilded dawn]

On his sentence

[cursive tundra]

How so

even removing that message the contradiction still stands

[gilded dawn]

He meant to continue his sentence, not say it to your "3"

[winged robin]

😭😭

[cursive tundra]

because its true

[cursive tundra]

Ok and removing my message he still contradicted himself?

[gilded dawn]

Literally didnt

[cursive tundra]

It did

[gilded dawn]

Explain in full detail, 3 pages worth

[cursive tundra]

he said three were "entirely different" and then 10 seconds later, "two were basically the same"

[winged robin]

"2 of them are like basically the same thing"

[cursive tundra]

this proves the contradiction

[winged robin]

yay, you found a contradiction!

very late tho

[gilded dawn]

Ykw

[winged robin]

coulda said that earlier

[cursive tundra]

Im correct.

[gilded dawn]

Ima call rush, Dora

[cursive tundra]

I found the contradiction both of you denied existed

which proves how dense you are

[cursive tundra]

no better proof than that

[winged robin]

i was like "3 are entirely the same thing" but then i thought about it and then i was like "wait 2 of them are kinda the same"

so clearly i do have critical thinking skills, thanks

[cursive tundra]

.

you said this instantly

[winged robin]

@cursive tundra did you even read

[cursive tundra]

So was it a mistake and you don't think before you type?

Or was it a contradiction

[winged robin]

why would i wait like 3 years to think of something to say

[cursive tundra]

Because otherwise you look dense?

maybe?

[winged robin]

do i really have to analyze and solve puzzles when im talking to you

[cursive tundra]

So which is it, you dont think before you type or you made a contradiction

pick which

because there is no other option

[winged robin]

both

but it happens

[cursive tundra]

Both

so im talking to a mentally dense person

[winged robin]

hey im the one that actually admits my faults

whats your excuse?

[cursive tundra]

Well I don't argue about things im not correct about

I come more informed with more evidence than you

Clearly.

[winged robin]

there hasnt rlly been much evidence tbh

[cursive tundra]

I have given in game scenarios

statistical evidence is impossible to provide

[winged robin]

like what

[cursive tundra]

You are dense and you admitted to it which is funny LOL

[hearty minnow]

Quit arguing and go play bedwars

It’s annoying

[winged robin]

im not stupid enough to say im not wrong

[cursive tundra]

end game strategy, early game strategy, timing,

[cursive tundra]

What have i been wrong about

[lunar quarry]

this is actually getting old

[winged robin]

what was the timing one again

[cursive tundra]

Then ignore it

[cursive tundra]

The timings of getting your generator upgraded impacts your chances of winning in some games

which ties into resource management

[winged robin]

i thought everyone knew this

[cursive tundra]

Yes

Hopefully

Which is strategy.

Because the timings of what resource you go for is not unianomously agreed upon

Some rush mid, some rush diamond

[winged robin]

if you always solo q squads, then thats right

[cursive tundra]

I personally prefer diamond slightly more because having iron armor quicker is better to negate instances of poor luck

[winged robin]

i did not ask

[cursive tundra]

Then you dont care about strategy and dense

as we have already established

[winged robin]

strategy is less important

as i have already stated

[cursive tundra]

its the most important

[lunar quarry]

yall

[urban breach]

strategy is huge bro

[cursive tundra]

yup

[lunar quarry]

they’re both important

[urban breach]

getting outgeared is basically the end, assuming both parties are of same lvl

[cursive tundra]

Better Strategy beats Better pvp everytime

[winged robin]

less doesnt mean not at all

[cursive tundra]

Yup exactly

and aquiring the better gear is the strategy

[lunar quarry]

i believe in balance

[winged robin]

in most cases

[cursive tundra]

yup

so the game is strategy

[winged robin]

hmm

[cursive tundra]

hmmm you're dense

[winged robin]

i thought you actually wanted me to think and have critical thinking and not just type out everything i say immediately

also all you call me is stupid

like

what

[cursive tundra]

You can think but every opinion you've had has been disproven

which is a sign of denseness

[winged robin]

well like most things you talk about are just bosst accusations so

[cursive tundra]

I talk facts

[winged robin]

*not all the time

[winged robin]

didnt u say over 70 winrate was boosting

[cursive tundra]

Name one thing i;ve been wrong about

[winged robin]

this, clearly

[cursive tundra]

Not in a literal sense

Never said that

[winged robin]

???

ok well you dont make jokes while u accuse someone

obviously

[cursive tundra]

I made a joke about that to display the fact that it cannot be proven that the stats aren't boosted

I make jokes to accuse people to conceptualize my point yes

people do this often

[winged robin]

hive replay cinema is evidence

[cursive tundra]

Nobody would be willing to sift through that

[winged robin]

also most ppl in this server have it i think but im not sure

[cursive tundra]

let alone allow someone too

[near cloud]

People!? Wdym by that?

[winged robin]

i mean i could still give it😭

[cursive tundra]

?

Yeah but you wont

thats over 2000 games and how many hours of footage

[winged robin]

i mean i could

[gilded dawn]

Let's say person 1 has no armor and a stone sword while person 2 has iron armor with an iron sword, in some cases, person 1 would lose, but. If person 1 was good at pvp (meaning comboing as well), person 1 can beat said person 2 despite them having better strategy (in your case getting better gear fast), meaning strategy does not beat better pvp everytime, it literally depends on who said person is, so "everytime" is just a false statement

[cursive tundra]

Its not ever happening

practically impossible

[winged robin]

because why would i want to

[cursive tundra]

exactly

so you have no proof the stats arent boosted

[winged robin]

also ur very clearly putting me into a loop that makes me look dumb on purpose

[cursive tundra]

they would have to be a level 1 to lose that

[near cloud]

And don't most players just run for 80% of the game if they know they're not good at pvp?

[winged robin]

like no one wants to sit through hours of games
and also no one wants to be accused of boosting

[cursive tundra]

why would you care if you're accused of boosting

who cares about that lol???

[near cloud]

Thats a thing?

[winged robin]

what

[cursive tundra]

if you cared about being accused of boosting you care about stats.

[near cloud]

Boosting

[cursive tundra]

which is hilarious

[winged robin]

cuz u can get ur stats reset? i think thats a valid thing to care about, especially if ur like top 25

[cursive tundra]

why would stats matter ever?

who cares about stats and why

why would you care about statistics ?

[winged robin]

shows how long youve been playing and your skill level

[cursive tundra]

Clearly not if it can be manipulated

[winged robin]

if you boost you clearly dont care lmao

but it does have a punishment

so thats why i care

[cursive tundra]

Those stats are so easily manipulated it proves nothing.

Hence my point

that the stats are meaningless

[winged robin]

this doesnt even seem manipulated

[cursive tundra]

Could be

[winged robin]

do you have proof?

[cursive tundra]

I could make an account with 3000 wins 99 percent winrate and 2100 kd

[cursive tundra]

You have no proof its real

[winged robin]

i mean you gotta have proof if you wanna accuse🤷‍♂️

[cursive tundra]

This stat manipulation happens constantly

theres your proof

[winged robin]

thats a statement, NOT proof

[cursive tundra]

So how am i supposed to discern who does it and who doesnt?

[near cloud]

Sorry you have a 0.00000000000001 + of kdr so these stats are futile 😁

[hazy mural]

Yo

[winged robin]

aww man😖😖

[cursive tundra]

I can send you video evidence of me standing in lobbies and players leaving because im high level

dodging

stat manipulation.

[near cloud]

Now my stats of 1000% of everything are the best ngl, truly I am hives favorite

[winged robin]

its not stat manipulation if its out of your control??

[cursive tundra]

It is stat manipulation to only play level 1's yes it is

if you choose to only play level 1's you are manipulating your stats

[winged robin]

no its not. stop going back to that.

[cursive tundra]

It is

Who wins 11 level ones or one level 75?

out of 100 games how many times do the level 1's win?

[near cloud]

Probability?

[winged robin]

@fading sleet hey howd you get prestige 2 so fast in skywars

[near cloud]

Oh yeah this is math class

[cursive tundra]

The level 75 winns 999/1000 games

thats state manipulation

[winged robin]

not really, clearly

[winged robin]

like look at this

[cursive tundra]

a regular player playing will never win that ratio

[near cloud]

Oh yeah.. This is a² + b² = c²

[winged robin]

i think everyone is a regular player tbh

[cursive tundra]

So how many games are the level 1's winning?

[winged robin]

triangle

[gilded dawn]

Any good pvper could beat someone with better gear, many things could impact an interaction, the environment, map, blocks, what gamemode you play, who's around you a like teammate/opponent, what levels are each player, etc, it's just a toss up, but my main point is that you saying "good strategy beats good pvp" is false, in the end it's a toss up and not everything is the same, meaning a good pvper could win some, while a good strategist could win some, while at the same time depending on who said people are in the "good pvper" and "good strategy" tiers

[winged robin]

not very many

[near cloud]

But what if a refrigerator falls on the person playing???!

[thorn phoenix]

It happened to me, turns out you lose the game 😦

[cursive tundra]

Average pvp but good items beats better pvp with bad items every time

[winged robin]

if it helps one time i tried to dory someone and got comboed

[cursive tundra]

exactly

[winged robin]

and that proves..?

[cursive tundra]

That you can manipulate your stats

[winged robin]

thats not manipulating your stats

[cursive tundra]

it is

[near cloud]

Damn,

[gilded dawn]

Depends, did you miss, did it not send them anywhere, did it not send them far enough to get knocked off the map?

[winged robin]

how

[near cloud]

Obv this @cursive tundra is beyond our comprehension theres no point

[winged robin]

couldnt hit them

[cursive tundra]

Because if i came in here with a new account and did that, you wouldnt be able to tell

[winged robin]

so i missed, yeah

[cursive tundra]

you'd just think im the goat of bedwars

whereas the gameplay doesnt prove that at all

[near cloud]

In the brain 🧠

[cursive tundra]

Its manipulating your precieved greatness as you said the stats prove your skill.

[near cloud]

And taking tests in school proves I did not commit taxe fraud

Oh wait... 👀

[winged robin]

i mean, if you had like a 100% winrate with 600 games played i would assume ur better at pvp than having a better strategy

[gilded dawn]

That just sounds like rushing with good pvp imo

[near cloud]

Don't most playwrs are in party's and help each other make there stats better

[cursive tundra]

100 percent winrate at 600 games you could do without being good at anything

just by picking level 1 opponent s

[winged robin]

cuz if you believe having a good strategy is better than having amazing pvp skills ur just wrong atp

[cursive tundra]

You wouldnt even need to combo or strategize at all

just eliminate noobs

[winged robin]

exactly

[near cloud]

Number 1 Strategy new players use: RUNNING