why do people hate on rooms 2.0 so much

[hoary haven]

i find rooms 2.0 to be much easier to circuit build and do everything else in i dont understand why people hate it so much
most people i ask come up with some excuse like "i dont like the new ui" or "grah buggy i hate how buggy and laggy it"

[hollow scarab]

1. Yeah, it is REALLY buggy.
2. They pushed it wayyyy too hard when people didn't want it and it was unfinished
3. For most games that are being made on Rec Room, the complications of Rooms 2.0 can lead to more games and more creative ones, but the cons just outweigh the pros.

[hoary haven]

what bugs?

they did kind of push it too hard

[hollow scarab]

Every single time I've tried to create using R2 it has encountered bugs that completely stopped any creation.
A more common one was object hitboxes getting displaced from the physical object appearances.
Objects not cloning properly despite everything being set up correctly.
Sometimes code just... didn't run when ran?

Not only that, until something more complicated will come my way, the new complications just aren't needed for what I'm getting out of using it. I'm good with the heirachery, it's not the first time I've used systems like it, but my friend who is the modeler for all of my games, doesn't understand it at all and has had trouble learning it, therefore creating messes that I'd have to clean up which I just don't have the will for considering what I'd get in return.

[hoary haven]

ive never experienced objects not cloning right and my circuits have never just failed for no reason
yeah sometimes the hitboxes get all moved around

im pretty sure using invisible collision fixes that though

[hoary haven]

if you have an incompetent builder who refuses to learn that is 100% on your builder not rooms 2.0

rooms 2.0 is barely more complex than rooms 1.0

[hollow scarab]

He's not incompetent, and he has more than definitely spent hours in rooms with me trying to learn it, whether from me, a tutorial, or someone else, he just has trouble understanding it. And with the release of Limits V2 returning, no use for learning it any further than the basic knowledge he was able to learn (for now).

[hollow scarab]

That is a complete lie. The point of R2 is to be a more complex and deep coded version for more advanced developers alike, to grant more tools for those who feel the need to use them.

[hoary haven]

its not more complex name one thing thats more complex

[hollow scarab]

1. The hierarchy system is completely different to how Rooms 1 handles in-game objects.
2. Coding is more in-depth, purposely so in order to accommodate for more complicated gizmos such as the replicator.
3. A lot more menus, settings, buttons and everything all around meant to experienced developers to use at discretion.
4. It's what they use for everything that could be made into a Unity standard quality game, such as custom pathfinding.
5. It's also the starting point for Rec Room Studio rooms, an offset of the accommodations made for the in-depth development.

[hoary haven]

the hierarchy is quite different but not more complex
its a simple parent system
you arent forced to use more complex gadgets like replicator
for 3 uhh ?
for 4 uhh ?
for 5 uhh ?

[hollow scarab]

The fact that he couldn't even make excuses for 3 of the points.
Yes, the hierarchy system is more complex, so much more in fact, that they didn't even bother to implement it to R1 when they were still working on that.
2. You aren't forced to, but they're a major focus of R2. If you're not using them, you're better off just using a Limits V2 R1

[hoary haven]

for 3 uhh ? stands for what the hell do you mean?

[hollow scarab]

To boil it down, R2 has a lot more settings and things to look at and look for, which is much more complicated than R1 on all terms due to the sheer amount of properties you can change in comparison.

[hoary haven]

your not forced to use all of those things like ever

you could do things the exact way you could in room 1.0

more is not more is not always more complex

most things are also labeled very clearly

[hollow scarab]

One of the things that are apart of those are Player Properties, which replace over roles. You have to change player properties individually, granting more customization, but making it harder to keep track of stats and minor details unlike the roles systems.

[hoary haven]

easier*

[hollow scarab]

You're not even going to make arguments at this point (because you can't), so I'm not gonna waste my time here.

[hoary haven]

you dont have to believe what i say because its your opinion

[fleet meadow]

I agree with jester. It is more complicated. Although I do find the new system for organising parts a bit easier. I haven't used it though because every time I've tried 2.0 I've had many issues.

Many of my old maps and creations wouldent move over well. Leading to crashing, improper hit boxes, extreme lag, and more.

[copper hare]

Are you a vr builder?

[jagged valley]

I agree

And before anyone wants to debate, no, I have no argument, I just think it's cool

[keen wing]

Yeah blawg watch your mouth im not incompetent and could model WAYYYY better then you can lol

[hoary haven]

it wasnt an insult

[keen wing]

And ive tried but new features feel unneeded for the building part and just kinda ehh, and the fact they just republished LimitsV2 is all we needed AND NOW WE CAN'T BE STOPPED

[hoary haven]

if you are so insecure about it then maybe you should get better

[keen wing]

-0.1/10 ragebait

Trust me i'm not insecure, i'm fully aware of the capabilitys of what my two man team is capable of. We've made a big smash hit and thats enough to keep me trucking'

[fleet meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-write-gunna-gif-10366234518726509577

[hoary haven]

trying to make me feel bad for being worse at building wont work
im probably multiple steps above you at ciruciting in almost every way

[keen wing]

You also like dragons? :D

[fleet meadow]

Yea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003929046981287969/1396309351374917772/pixil-gif-drawing.gif

[keen wing]

Thats cool, I dont touch circuits. But I don't think you've been building for 5+ years

[keen wing]

You're my friend now we're having soft taco's later :D

[fleet meadow]

We gotta play some dnd.

[keen wing]

Never played but i'd be down one day

But just letting you know I like the normal kind of dragons but. . . .my bio says enough

[fleet meadow]

Its a peak game.

[keen wing]

Hints, I like the idea of fluffy dragons

[fleet meadow]

As long as its not in a weird way...

[keen wing]

Bro said something completely random bc he was outmatched and dipped

[keen wing]

nah nah

I just cosplay as fluffy dragons in games

Well actually I just cosplay as animals online but yeh

[fleet meadow]

Alright. I like dragons. I have no problem with that.

Anyways, we prob shouldent talk in the thread.

Atleast about this.

[keen wing]

Yeah, this has become useless anyways bc this absolute cornball insulted me

[fleet meadow]

Lol

To be fair it was his fult.

[keen wing]

Yeah calling me "incompetent"

When ive made bigger hits then he could ever

[royal mortar]

Anyone got some popcorn?

[hoary haven]

its in my hands right now

[fleet meadow]

Also, I can understand why this new system is hard to get used to. I dont even really like it.

[royal mortar]

:3 yay

[keen wing]

Yeah its a good concept just wayyyyyy done wrong

I'm craving soda rn but its WAYYY to late for that

[royal mortar]

It’s never too late to drink that

[keen wing]

You just not gonna respond? that's okay with me lol

[keen wing]

Its 2:47 am

[royal mortar]

Yeah that’s what I told my beer but guess what? I still had a sip

[keen wing]

[fleet meadow]

I also prob shouldn't be talking when I have less than 2 hours of usage due to crashing and other bugs with 2.0

[hoary haven]

why should i respond
your not on topic so im not giving you a response

[royal mortar]

One question, is it me or has recroom been dying?

[keen wing]

You're the one off topic

[fleet meadow]

#1114546406674419864

[keen wing]

It has but their doing better

[fleet meadow]

Yes

[keen wing]

Like they brought back LimitsV2, getting rid of AI slowley

They're finally listening to their fanbase'

[fleet meadow]

I like limits v2, although I might just start using real game engines.

[royal mortar]

I’ve been seeing too much AI on recroom lately

[keen wing]

Ik it makes me sick, I bet Social Rep def supports RR ai slop

[royal mortar]

I wanna go back to 2018 sometimes

[keen wing]

I sadly never played back then, yet I started in 2020

But I would say I seen RR at a good time

[fleet meadow]

The only thing ai is good for is tasks that are long boring and easy. Ive been using it to make long roll tables for dnd. But I never let it do lore, puzzles, or backstories.

[royal mortar]

Back then it was so good, although I should have avoided military and mafia rp games cause those places get toxic

But they got 10x worse today

[keen wing]

Ive only been in one Military when I was younger and havent touched those since

[royal mortar]

And because of that they died

[keen wing]

You know, after years of a passion to hit big in game developing one day i've finally reached my goal now me and my only other developer friend is laying back in our riches

[fleet meadow]

Crazy that OP decided to quit.

[keen wing]

I even have my own fanbase, even if its small its still a community and thats all ive ever asked for

[fleet meadow]

What games have you helped create?

[keen wing]

Usually im a lead on all of my games, but me and Jester made a game called
"UntitledFightingGame2" and its sitting at 25,7k room visits rn

Also I use to work with Adryan a guy who now works with Dino

[fleet meadow]

Thats pretty cool.

https://tenor.com/view/eldoggy-gif-759632917630624940

[keen wing]

Yeah its been one hell of a journey, but its been a enjoyable one

Ever since I was a little kid I had a desire to make my own games, this was created by Roblox. My mind had endless possibilities for games and now that RR allows me to make games I can do what ive always dreamed of doing. Now I can go on and inspire kids to do the same, even if its just one small kid I can plant the courage and intentions for the future generations and I rest well at night that I make peoples day

[fleet meadow]

Ive always tried to make decent games. Ive slowly drifted away from the programming aspect. I still enjoy building but I've gotten more into computer hardware.

[keen wing]

Thats nice, im too dumb to model on any sofwares like Unity or blender so I use RR and I can make some pretty good models

And make awesome games that people play

[fleet meadow]

Lol, I've tried blender but wasn't understanding it. I m8ght get into it again so I can 3d print stuff for dnd.

[keen wing]

Peak

Dawg one problem I have with RR is its always crashing me, and its not my interent nor my vr its brand new pratically. ITs their servers or lag

Like today I was remaking Sky SquidGame from Squidgames and my RR crashed 5 times

[fleet meadow]

This is why I don't build in rec room anymore. Last room I published the game rules got corrupted right when I launched. I spent hours with no fix and eventually had to make a clone of the room and reset most the code. Stuff like that made me quit.

[keen wing]

Yeah same thing happened to us. During developement of a game RR crashes out the game or makes the lag unstandable so we just cant even work on the game and its a lost cause

But its okay one massive game loss can't stop me nor Jester

gimme a second I feel the soda wearing off I need more brb

[fleet meadow]

It didn't stop me. I think the game is still up but it definitely has copyright music and I dont give a crap about rec room anymore so...

[keen wing]

yeh

Honestly i'm suprised RR hasnt been copyrighted or smthn like that

All of my games are off of already existing IP's

[fleet meadow]

Lol