Rec room stop using AI!!!

[fleet thistle]

Get this comment Populuar so rec room realizes that this is NECASSARY!

[fair sonnet]

*necessary

[crude wagon]

Might be necessary to take more english

[random edge]

😭😭😭

[hoary mirage]

I bet rec room might remove rooms 1 next

[flat beacon]

I'm not really against AI as long as it is integrated properly, and not just another cash grab trying to get investors.

Game AI for example.
Instead of being useless, it allows creators to make more creative games.

Normally AI is trying to end creativity, but Game AI supports it.

[fleet thistle]

That’s when I’m dipping

[obsidian wind]

Too late for that now, son.

[split ravine]

Rec Room listens to what the community says, but that doesn't mean we will always do what the community wants. Rec Room leadership wants us to experiment with AI. Not all of it will be a winner or an audience favorite. Without Maker AI, we wouldn't have developed Roomie. Maker AI showed us that players enjoyed talking to AI, more so than creating with Maker AI. We have our next couple of things coming out very soon. The player actions and interactions with the features guide us on what focus we should work on.

[opaque abyss]

nobody wants roomie or maker ai. they both cost money, and the point of the game is to be “creative” “fun” and make stuff yourself not from some crappy clanker

[split ravine]

We have a large number of players who use Roomie.

[opaque abyss]

use yes, but it was never needed. its cool concept its baller. but having to pay like 20 dlrs for “roomie energy”? not alot of people are gonna keep using it.

[rancid wigeon]

Maybe just... don't use it 24/7 and you'll never even have to consider buying more energy

[wary terrace]

We should lowkey boycott

[pearl lodge]

Roomie is a fun idea but it has been integrated horribly. it is recrooms first pay to win feature because it can revive players and distract enemies in quests. One of recrooms principles is “it’s a small world” wich means that they will focus on long term relationships with there players over short term gain. What is a better example of short term gain then pay to win.

[split ravine]

I used to be considered a quester. I mostly play Crimson now, but I average completing 2 quests each day. It doesn't phase me. I like getting randoms through quests so I almost always play public lobbies. Higher skilled questers are not threatened by Roomie, it's not going to help someone climbing leaderboards much. One of the reasons not many players were completing the weeklies was that the average player can not complete a quest.
Our initial feedback from Video Partners and Vmods was that they wished Roomie could revive them in quests. It's a companionship feature, not a pay to win feature. That's why Roomie can revive others and not just it's owner. We want Roomie to feel interactive and a part of what's going on.

[warped belfry]

so roomie is just another teammate basically, that is pretty pay to win dont you think?

[split ravine]

I don't think it's pay to win, but I could see why others might think so.

[pearl lodge]

Ok first no one said they were “threatened” by roomie. Second calling this not pay to win is objectively untrue because it could be a deciding factor if someone wins a quest or not.

[split ravine]

I didn't say you were threatened; I said a portion of our playerbase wasn't threatened. That sentence feels like you want to argue, and I don't do that, so this is my last reply on this.
I hope more people win quests. Why? To show that they are used and wanted. Why? Our data shows the average player does not play quests.

[pearl lodge]

Well even though this isn’t going to get a reply I’d like to state that the numbers don’t always show what the players want

[hoary mirage]

Also the large number of people that use roomie are just testing roomie or not realizing roomie is out

[rancid wigeon]

You just said that the large number of peopl using roomie are... using roomie.

[gritty drum]

its pay to win twin😭 if i dont pay for roomie i dont get an extra life but if i do pay, i do, thats how pay to win works

[rancid wigeon]

I do agree that it is pay to win, but I also don't think it's bad

[wary terrace]

Buying something that benefits you only and people Who can’t, get a con?

It’s kinda unfair 😭

[noble cloak]

Inevitably they’re going to. I will say they are def nowhere near a state where they can because rooms 2 is a mess. If they do it anytime soon then room creation is going to greatly suffer

Speaking of, I find it genuinely hilarious that rec room is both pushing and abandoning different types of ai. They’ve completely abandoned the old ai systems that came out with cv2

[tacit cipher]

My perspective of using Roomie in a quest is that it is pay to win if and only if it is used in a sponsored league of a RRO Quest. There could be already a league out there that could have set up rules to not allow Roomie in your quest session and disqualify you

Don't know if that is a rule, but you can search up for Golden Throphy league:
https://recroom.com/sponsoredleagues

I do not think that having an extra life with Roomie in a public and private instances of a non-competitive quest / not so serious run of quest is pay to win. Quest is about having fun and not to take it serious

You have an extra life? Good for you. In the end of the day, you have choices of how you play your quest session. With a friend, friends, solo, with or withour Roomie. The choices are many

[steady crown]

doesnt matter the context, if youre paying for an advantage, its a pay to win feature

jumping through so many hoops

[onyx briar]

fr, if you have to defend it by changing the definition of p2w then it's p2w

if sponsored leagues didn't exist, paying to have an extra life would not be pay to win...?

[feral lagoon]

Y’all whine about AI too much

[candid hill]

I think its justified

[tacit cipher]

It is up to the league manager of a quest league if they allow or not allow Roomie for competitive quest runs

There could be league manager(s) who have this concern, same as people who compete in a quest league. That is why communication is important between you as a league manager and you as a competitive player to agree on a meta / experience to compete in a quest league

Best to join Quest League Discord Servers to see how they are handling this

[onyx briar]

more casual players have wanted quest difficulty options for a long time... just because this can be handled fine under league jurisdiction doesn't mean it isn't pay-to-win for the 99%+ of rec room's playerbase

[wet stone]

lizzie stop typing

[onyx briar]

quests inherently are hard for newer players and an extra life solo or with other team members who might also have roomie is certainly p2w, at least in the definition of literally any other game

[wet stone]

just play jumbotron and then play jumbotron, and then get top 1000, then top100 and theb ur fine

not too hard

[wet stone]

he should revive me in rec royale so i can actually win a league

[tacit cipher]

Maybe not in current rooms of Rec Royale, but in a modified / new version of Rec Royale

[onyx briar]

well that's good but that still doesn't make it not p2w

[wet stone]

wait what i feel like that you know, shouldnt be a thing?

[tacit cipher]

I am a person who happens to have a chicken hat 🐔

[wet stone]

wait the chicken hat must mean i should complain to you instead of complaning through a ticket/forum!!! i understand now, thank you

[tacit cipher]

Wait, no. I can't do anything. You still need Zendesk to ask for help from Rec Room Support

[wet stone]

awwww man :c

[rancid wigeon]

Roomie should frfr be able to revive in Rec Royale if playing against teleporters 😼

[wet stone]

recroyale teleport league js got nerfed cuz of this fine gentlemans statement

[modern vine]

you heard it straight from rec room development: we know what you actually want but we wont listen and instead add more slop to line the higher ups pockets

[rancid wigeon]

Because lord forbid the developers of the game make the game they want to make 😒

[modern vine]

yeah lets ignore the fact that the game barely runs at a stable 30 fps, instead lets add more ai slop

rec room: "we dont care what you want unless it gets us money"

[rancid wigeon]

What games are you playing running only on 30 fps 💀

[rancid wigeon]

That is how they keep paying for the game

[modern vine]

yes as if the 10k token cosmetics werent enough

[rancid wigeon]

What do you expect from a capitalist company?

Rec room is a business, and their biggest motivator is profit

We live in a society

[modern vine]

yeah but do you expect me not to get upset when a game that i'

i pressed enter too early

do you expect me not to get upset when a game that i've played for years is slowly killing itself in the pursuit of bigger numbers

[rancid wigeon]

I really don't think it's killing itself

I think that the loudest players are getting nostalgic for the old times and are now complaining making it look worse than it is

If their tactics weren't getting them profit, they wouldn't be doing them

[modern vine]

DUDE

i can barely run the REC CENTER

[rancid wigeon]

Sounds like a genuine skill issue

[modern vine]

THE MOST BASIC ROOM IN THE GAME APART FROM YOUR DORM

[rancid wigeon]

What are you playing on, a toaster?

[modern vine]

i'm playing on a quest 2

even with quest game tuner

the game runs like complete garbage

[rancid wigeon]

Maybe you just have bad internet

[modern vine]

meanwhile bonelab runs just fine

[modern vine]

my internet is perfect

[rancid wigeon]

I have a pretty old quest 2, it's never lagged in the rec center

I really don't know what to tell you

[modern vine]

the game barely runs

i can play gorilla tag

i can play bonelab

i can play creed

all stable with no lag

rec room is the only outlier

[rancid wigeon]

Congratulations

[modern vine]

textures wont load

names wont load

i can barely spawn food without the game breaking

[rancid wigeon]

Ah, the broadcasting bug. I really dk what's up with that one

[modern vine]

and somehow thats just "nostalgic players making it look worse than it is"

[rancid wigeon]

Your issue is an entirely unique one, one I've never heard from anyone else

[modern vine]

dude i literally had a bubbly phase through the floor and spawn under the map when i placed it on the ground

[rancid wigeon]

Sorry

[modern vine]

if rec room quit with the slop and optimized their game that wouldnt happen

the money they spend per month running their garbage ai could've been used to optimize their game

[rancid wigeon]

Call it garbage all you want. If it wasn't doing well for them or worth the cost, they wouldn't be using it

[modern vine]

the point i'm trying to make

is that they're diverting all the effort into slop to line their pockets

while ignoring basic functionality

[rancid wigeon]

Ok

[woeful stratus]

honestly, what really needs to be pushed is to make rec room add rating systems and public comments. If we get a method of critiquing rooms and inventions, we can collectively choose what is worth playing. even if its at simple as a 5 star rating under a room's thumbnail would help

[modern vine]

nope because it wouldnt make rec room money

all they care about is that paper

🤑

[modest ridge]

I get Mic Banned for saying words that don't even Mean anything Bad

Like I don't say anything.

[fair sonnet]

Cause voice bans aren't instant

[modest ridge]

No I mean I don't say anything in general like I just get un mic banned and then I get mic band instantly again even though I didn't say anything. Plus, my account is linked with my exes and I need help getting that unlinked and I already put a community help thing in and nobody's looking at it.

We've tried everything to unlink it and it does not work.

[fair sonnet]

Submit a ticket for that

[modest ridge]

How do I submit a ticket?

I don't see how

[fair sonnet]

Zendesk

Lemme get a link

[modest ridge]

Oh, I did Multiple times And all they said is that I got a mic ban and they can't unban me.

[strong sphinx]

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[modest ridge]

.

[woeful stratus]

Well yeah, absolutely. It's a feature that benefits us the players. But the point is to push for this to happen, not immediately wave it off like it'll never happen. Not only that but the belief that it'll never happen is never true because look what happened with the quest bow and double shooting. They didn't in ANY form have do reintroduce double shot, but they did, because enough people were vocal about it.

[fair sonnet]

So you want to get your accounts unlinked but you talk about voice bans?

https://recroom.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Submit one there and just say you want the accounts unlinked

[modest ridge]

Do I say technical or like what?

I'm confused

[fair sonnet]

I have no clue man I don't even play RR

[woeful stratus]

@modest ridge Be sure to sign in first!!
signing into Zendesk allows for you to check back on your tickets and reply faster

[modest ridge]

I'm already signed in. I'm just trying to get our accounts unlinked.

[woeful stratus]

yeah ok, should do it under general support and select hacked or login issue

[lapis snow]

i’m gonna be honest I think people are overreacting just a little bit on this not a lot but just a little bit because let’s be honest. I feel like people forget the target audience of Rec Room children like you guys understand that they’re trying to appeal the children and what’s better to a kid and having a fun robot pet I don’t think it’s that bad of an idea if they remove junior account because Rec Room was originally supposed to be a children’s game I believe.

[woeful stratus]

@lapis snow yeah that's why i said this before. the AI generation is going to be bad, not necessarily because its a bad tool, but more because of the slop that'll be created as a result of everyone being able to create them more easily.

AI is a tool. Plain and simple. it makes creating easier, yes, but easier does not mean better. If we want better, we need quality control like ratings or public comments. Let us decide what is good, you know?

[lapis snow]

but also, I feel like we ask the community could probably figure this out together. I feel like if we all just put our differences aside and just work together, we can fix Rec Room in a way to where there isn’t as much AI I don’t wanna completely take AI out of Rec Room because I like roomie I like the idea of it. I just wanna kind of take the unnecessary stuff like maker AI and actually not to think about it. There isn’t a lot of AI stuff in Rec Room.

[woeful stratus]

Oh absolutely, I agree. Everyone, i feel, is all looking in the wrong places as to Why Rec Room is getting worse but no one wants to address the real problems.

[lapis snow]

I think the reason it’s getting worse is actually due to the community not Rec Room I think it’s the community making a big deal thinking it’s the end of the world when it’s really not it’s Rec Room trying something new that they’ve never tried before and people being like oh that’s a bad thing like for example unscripted I played with my friends and I actually enjoyed it. People complain about that but here’s the thing people were also complaining about the AI coach voice, which to be honest I might have the theory on why that happened during the 16% layoff the voice actor probably got fired or in this case laid off, but I really feel like it’s the community that’s making a really big deal out of this and making it a bigger problem and it already is

then it already is

[steady crown]

the voice actor didn’t get laid off, but she did record voice lines so they could use her voice for ai

people look at that as lazy like why not js pay her to say a couple lines it was like 10 lines in the video

its also kind of weird to say its the communitys fault for getting mad at rec room for implementing ai, rec rooms a game about creativity, theyre literally adding the anti version of creativity

then when people bring up these concerns they are dismissed and ignored, with the devs saying theyre gonna keep adding more ai, directly going against the community

being against ai isnt even one sided like most things that have been added or removed; its universally hated by everyone even non creators

[rancid wigeon]

Why do people say both that AI is the antithesis of creativity but also that it'll replace it? I don't understand that

[steady crown]

whats confusing about that

creativity can easily be replace by telling an ai a prompt because at this point its very hard to tell the difference between whats real and whats ai

problem with ai is that theres no soul behind the work making it meaningless

[rancid wigeon]

Does lack of a soul really make it meaningless?

Man it's too late for this 😭 I'm going to sleep

[steady crown]

to me yea

other artists could probably agree

[rose lagoon]

Ain’t no way you are defending ai bro

[rancid wigeon]

I am

Because too many people blindly hate on it

[candid hill]

//I hate because of its environmental impact

[rancid wigeon]

Environmental impact?

I will admit, I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to AI related things, but I do think there's too much unfounded hate for it. If you have a reason though, that's fine and I won't argue with that

[rose lagoon]

“Blindly hate” and there is only like, 2 good uses for ai, and none of those uses are for creative stuff

Like, what about people whose jobs are getting replaced by ai, right now.

[rancid wigeon]

"only like, 2 good uses"
So clearly you don't know much either

[rancid wigeon]

It can suck. Too much money is being invested into AI. That said, I don't think everyone should hate on it in its entirety because of that

[steady crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749465463217586268/1342761280565542993/togif.gif

[rancid wigeon]

If anything, be upset at the investors for sinking all their money into it

[rose lagoon]

One is for the medical field and other for assisting in dangerous jobs

[rancid wigeon]

Art? Music? Writing? Programming? It's a tool in all of those fields

And not a replacement

[rose lagoon]

And what do you mean by those?

If you are talking about having ai write the code or make the art, or write the story or music

Then that’s replacement

Not a tool

[rancid wigeon]

AI can help people who need art but can't afford an artist. It can be used to assist with music composition. It can help a writer hone their ideas. It helps programmers troubleshoot their code

[rose lagoon]

There are times where it CAN be used in select parts of art (like in spiderverse for some of the animation)

[rancid wigeon]

It's not going to fully replace any of those industries

[rose lagoon]

If someone can’t afford to hire an artist? Then tough shit???? Ai art already grabs stuff from existing artists, so that’s stealing

[rancid wigeon]

When a human looks at a bunch of art pieces and makes a derivative work, that's art. When an AI does the exact same thing, it's suddenly not??

[steady crown]

youre looking at ai like its another person

[rancid wigeon]

Does it really matter?

[steady crown]

yep

[rancid wigeon]

It doesn't

Something does not have to have a soul to create

[steady crown]

nobody said that

[rancid wigeon]

That is what you're saying though

[steady crown]

i said it doesnt have meaning if it doesnt have a soup

im not fixing tha

t

[rancid wigeon]

Why? Who decides that?

[rose lagoon]

ai is not a person, it doesn’t get inspired by human work. There is a difference between someone having inspiration from art, and just taking someone’s art

[steady crown]

people with a soup

oh ny god

[rose lagoon]

Ai is just code

[rancid wigeon]

And humans are just thoughts

Which is basically spicier code

[rose lagoon]

And it can not get “inspired” to create stuff, it just takes from other stuff

[rancid wigeon]

Except nothing is being taken, because the artists still have their art

That's all inspiration is

There is literally no difference other than one supposedly having a soul

[steady crown]

this makes zero sense

stealing someones art is no longer bad cuz they still have it

[rose lagoon]

Yeah

[rancid wigeon]

I don't understand how that doesn't make sense

[rose lagoon]

If someone makes art

And someone else trains ai off said art

And they decide to, i dunno, let’s just say sell it

[rancid wigeon]

Training AI and a human taking inspiration is no different

[rose lagoon]

Then what then?

I don’t know why you are so vehemently defensive of this to the point where you are pulling mental gymnastics like this

[rancid wigeon]

There are no mental gymnastics

It makes perfect sense to me

Hate on it all you want, every company in the world uses AI, and will continue to do so

[rose lagoon]

Ehh, currently companies are suing ai companies for having ai trained off their work so

I suggest you look into that

[rancid wigeon]

I'm sure that'll last a while

[rose lagoon]

And I suggest you take a look from the other side, so you can understand why most people in creative fields fucking hate it

Because it just takes work away from them

[rancid wigeon]

Buh

I'm in a creative field

I work with AI all the time, not to make things for me but to help guide me

[rose lagoon]

Sure right

I bet typing prompts is really difficult

[rancid wigeon]

I never said it was difficult. I specifically use it because it makes my job easier

Because it's a tool

I put effort into editing and scripting and coming up with ideas

The AI just helps me focus them

It's clear this debate is going nowhere, but I've made my point and I have other things to do

[steady crown]

are u employed or is ur ai employed

[steady crown]

oh thats why he defends it he benefits off it

nobody defends ai while not benefiting off it

[rancid wigeon]

Maybe you should try it out instead of putting down people who dare to use the tools given to them

smh

[steady crown]

why would i try it out that sounds boring

[opaque abyss]

you silver wire back number crunching clanker

[devout walrus]

Ai is so ahh

[candid hill]

CLANKERS

[waxen laurel]

no fricking way i'm chicken.

idk i just kinda saw that and decided to respond

[tacit cipher]

🐔

[waxen laurel]

🐔

[woven loom]

🐔

[fleet thistle]

🐔

For some reason

[fair sonnet]

I killed the chicken

[formal wolf]

Interrogation room is really fun I dunno

[wise stag]

i agree

[jade turtle]

even if they did this the game would be fried either way

recroom has basically ruined the game past a point of return

they stopped paying their developers to pay for ai, the game got worse in quality causing people to cancel their rr+ and halt development on rooms causing the game to just die out

[fleet thistle]

If they somehow cooked, it is retrievable, but we all know the answer to if they are…

[thick sundial]

hate to break it to you but they aint gonna stop like a little post in the discord may show them people dont like it but they cant waste money removing it all

[jade turtle]

financially the game is absolutely past a point of return

even if it somehow became popular again they wouldnt make up enough money to continue running

[fleet thistle]

Oh yeah they’re cooked their

[jade turtle]

exactly

[thick sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/paladin-strait-twenty-one-pilots-trench-clancy-clancy-tøp-gif-697053380552195818 iykyk

[jade turtle]

even the sponsors are frying the game

[jade turtle]

so if theyre cooked financially how do you expect them to repair the damages lols

[fleet thistle]

I don’t lol

[jade turtle]

"it is retrievable" it aint retrievable if their income has halted to a stop and they wont be able to pay for photon sooner or later

[jade turtle]

^

[fleet thistle]

The last part

[jade turtle]

its impossible

like literally impossible now

[fleet thistle]

What I mean when I say “But we all know the answer to if they are…” is “but we know they aren’t going to”

[orchid barn]

Yes just yes

AI always causes more harm than good

• Numerous Job Losses
• Terrible for the environment
• Social Manipulation Through AI Algorithms
• Weakening Ethics and Goodwill Because of AI
• Financial Crises Brought About By AI Algorithms
• Loss of Human Influence

And so much more

[orchid barn]

RR in AI is a joke, it is terrible, people have deluded themselves into thinking it is a good thing, some even believe it will save RR. That is a lie

[true palm]

https://tenor.com/view/selfish-soyjak-soy-jak-wojak-baby-gif-6611371863076339224

[orchid barn]

Lmao

Do your research

[steady crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255543117528961094/1368733307801436160/togif-32.gif

[orchid barn]

Glad I am just stating the truth if that is the case

[orchid barn]

No it definitely is

[rancid wigeon]

Okay

[orchid barn]

Ain’t this u? You love AI slop

[true palm]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-youll-be-fine-you-will-be-fine-youll-be-alright-gif-24816370

[orchid barn]

Lmao defend your point, can’t argue with someone who doesn’t know what they are defending🥀

[steady crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[true palm]

https://tenor.com/view/vinyl-records-record-collection-warped-vinyl-playing-music-record-player-gif-21484870

[steady crown]

oh no hawks thinks were serious

[rancid wigeon]

What gave you that impression

[orchid barn]

https://tenor.com/view/gênant-awkward-weird-yoda-look-gif-5895672948764153090

Lmao

[true palm]

embed fail

[orchid barn]

Said it before I did!

[orchid barn]

Fact*

[true palm]

trying to cancel nedword over a opinion

[orchid barn]

Fact*

And not cancel

No conversational awareness🥀

[true palm]

ai doesnt harm anythung

its optional

[orchid barn]

Please tell me you are joking broham🥀

[true palm]

why would i be

[orchid barn]

Because it’s simply untrue

Here’s just environmental impact

They are large consumers of water, which is becoming scarce in many places. They rely on critical minerals and rare elements, which are often mined unsustainably. And they use massive amounts of electricity, spurring the emission of planet-warming greenhouse gases.

[true palm]

you can make rec room quests now

[orchid barn]

And that justifies decreasing human creativity and it’s over reliance on AI?

Doesn’t justify it’s environmental impact either*

[dense hawk]

I’m not supporting AI but all technology does this; and it isn’t just being like sprayed with water, it’s just cold water bring ran around it in pipes, and it’s usually reused throughout the system.

[true palm]

any proof

[orchid barn]

Lots hol up

[true palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255543117528961094/1368733307801436160/togif-32.gif

[orchid barn]

Partially true, however it is important to note that AI servers and regular data centers differ in many ways from their hardware and cooling systems.

AI systems and data servers need much more advanced cooling systems than normal systems, AI contributes much more significantly to environmental impacts than other systems.

[orchid barn]

Here’s two articles to provide, if you’ll even read them. You can also look up environmental impacts than of AI

MIT news (Explained: Generative AI’s environmental impact) written by Adam Zewe

PBS News (The growing environmental impact of AI data centers’ energy demands) This is a interview with a Climate Change Reporter

[true palm]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-taking-chance-8ball-billiard-gif-9807107

[orchid barn]

You asked for proof you got it

[split mirage]

I don’t mind ai I just don’t like roomie bc it uses energy so it’s just another clanker

[orchid barn]

You def should mind AI

[echo venture]

Yall do yearlies not weeklies now

[obsidian wind]

I still think they're replacing weeklies with these monetization tier systems they've got going on. It's like the monthly, but you're spending more time and tokens to keep going. Real money if you want the RR+ stuff.

[thick sundial]

THEY ARE REMOVING AI I STAND CORRECTED

besides roomie

[crude wagon]

The goat strikes again

[woven loom]

Maker AI Removed