any way to get data to transfer between games

[green kettle]

Could be really easy I just don't know how to

[stiff canopy]

Between subrooms: yes
Between separate rooms: no

[green kettle]

oh 💔

[green kettle]

guess i gotta create a password system

[fringe yacht]

Subrooms store cloud data

[green kettle]

i want different rooms not subrooms sadly

[fringe yacht]

Out of my knowledge

[green kettle]

according to others (1 person) the answer is no

so im just gonna use a password system based on the local players name to transfer one piece of data between rooms

(as long as the local player inputs that password into the new game

[green kettle]

wait

would having someone buy a free thing work

[shut kestrel]

I'm currently setting up an encryption system for murderv3, it was really fun actually

We're upgrading from Rv1 to Rv2 which means a new room

It collects all your currency/key/consumable data, formats it, then encrypts it using a secret key that's unique per-player. As long as your players don't know how to get this key, it's *impossible to decrypt

[green kettle]

What I'm doing is using the local players name and I'll have things be set in the password based on that

[shut kestrel]

I would do more than that, if players learn how to decrypt the data they could give themselves free stuff

If you want, I could show you the encryption method, I'm going to change some values around so it should be safe to do so

[green kettle]

Sure would be cool to look over

[shut kestrel]

I'll hop on recroom, change some values around and invite you

[green kettle]

I can't hop on rec room rn actually

[shut kestrel]

yippee (i just realised my encryption code doesnt support spaces lol)

Its fine since the murderv3 export doesnt need spaces, but yeah, encryption, yipee

Fixed

Keep in mind, this encryption method does not compress the string, players will still need to manually write down the string

You will need to find your own encoding/compressing techniques

Every character is encrypted randomly based off the seed value, so its impossible to tell what each character is based off of what the text is

The ONLY way to decrypt this is by knowing the initial seed AND knowing how the seed changes with each use

[green kettle]

thats really cool

im kinda just doing
(first letter of name)(number based on length of name) (something based on last number of name)

[shut kestrel]

yeah, the problem is if people know how you're encrypting it, they can fit in their own data

[green kettle]

what i wanna do only transfers one piece of data

(and idk if im even gonna do it lol)

[shut kestrel]

yeah... from ^MurderV3 to ^Murder we're transfering everything the user could have paid for

So its a fairly large string where the encryption method needs to be kept super secret

[green kettle]

yeah i can imagine how thatd need to be a bit more encrypted

[old hill]

That is actually so much effort that practically no other group would think to do ever. They would just think "more money i guess lol, they can re-buy everything"

[shut kestrel]

thats what I do as a developer, I dont care if its harder, I care whats better for the user

The best kind of developer is one who enjoys playing their own games, and I enjoy playing MurderV3, so I do whats best for the community

[uncut rivet]

why wouldnt u 💀

unless ur just cashgrabber/kid/lack the knowledge to

[stiff canopy]

What if you’re a kid that doesn’t lack the knowledge though 🤔

[uncut rivet]

then u wouldn't dont do it bc ur a kid like mentioned

[stiff canopy]

What if you’re a very smart kid who has good ideas

[uncut rivet]

u wouldnt care, soo

[stiff canopy]

Wait I’m so confused what your message is saying

[uncut rivet]

bc ur a kid

[shut kestrel]

Because of exactly what they said, some people or companies either don't care enough, don't care about their users, or thinks it's a way to get more more money, OR all of the above

[stiff canopy]

Just make sure a hacker doesn’t get makerpen and figure it out somehow

[shut kestrel]

Then we just change the numbers

Also I don't think they could do anything if they tried, since it's locked behind contributor only

[uncut rivet]

dont u terminate instance tho?
however u do that, just send everyone to dorms?

[shut kestrel]

That system only exists in ^Murder

[uncut rivet]

time to save some chips

[shut kestrel]

The decrypt requires 5 critical pieces of information in order to lie about what you own

Worst case, a hacker figures out the system somehow, we ban them and change the numbers

[stiff canopy]

What if you share the code with a friend and they get all your items

[shut kestrel]

Not possible

[uncut rivet]

banned & thrown to the shadow realm

[shut kestrel]

Encryption key uses the players account name

So it's not possible

[stiff canopy]

So if they get their key and change their account name right after they lose all of their items?

[shut kestrel]

No? The items arent linked to your account name, the import key is

[uncut rivet]

what if Tyoiker is subconsciously making u list its features to learn more about it to abuse it

[shut kestrel]

You need to get a new code if you change your account name, but if you already imported, you already have the inventory items

[stiff canopy]

How would it detect that you already imported though if it’s a different game

[shut kestrel]

Tyoiker still needs to learn how the key is generated and how the letters are cyphered

[shut kestrel]

MurderV3 doesn't need to know an import was successful, it just needs to generate a code

Murder needs to know a code was already imported so you can't import twice

[stiff canopy]

Like couldn’t you just get a code with two separate usernames and then redeem it twice in two accounts

[shut kestrel]

I don't think you understand how this works at all

[stiff canopy]

You said if I do it with a new username I get a new code

[uncut rivet]

ye, but giving him hard time for doing allat "what if" crap

[old hill]

Cashgrabber is the group that i'm complaining about haha yeah

[uncut rivet]

yee

[stiff canopy]

So hypothetically what if I get code1 with my account name, change my account name and get a new code, then I have a second account take the username of the first code then wouldn’t that mean there’s 2 copies of the stuff?

[uncut rivet]

this wut happens when u earn instead cashgrab

[old hill]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[shut kestrel]

In ^MurderV3, there is (*will be) an export menu that grabs everything you've paid for and converts it to a string

This string is then encrypted using a secret key. This key is unique for every player, and changes every hour. This code can be generated as many times as you want

The only way to decrypt this string, is to know exactly how it was encrypted, which means you need the secret key

[stiff canopy]

yeah but I’m saying if you changed ur username and gave the first code to your friend so they get free stuff

[old hill]

Your name would contribute to the code

[shut kestrel]

Yes, theoretically if you generated a code, switched account names, then your friend changed their account name to your old account name all within the span of 1 hour, they could decrypt your string, meaning they could own what you owned in ^Murder

Problem : You can only change your account name every 180 days, but the encryption key changes every hour, so you wouldnt be able to get what YOU owned, only your friend would you could just generate a new code with the new account name

[old hill]

Ohhhh i've misunderstood

Though if they're an avid ^Murder player you could just make it check if their username has been changed recently when they join the room if they've been in it before

[uncut rivet]

also you yourself dont even keep the benefits, its just transfer

[old hill]

Then only brand new (to the room) accounts that have never touched the room could pull it off.

[shut kestrel]

I'll probably make it so you arent allowed to export a code if your account name hasnt changed in the past 180 days, then keep the offer open for like a year

[old hill]

If you have keys they cannot be removed via circuits

[uncut rivet]

thats y u rely less on built in things like keys

im considering custom consumables lately since u cant que them

[stiff canopy]

When you say changes every hour, do you mean like cycles or is completely random

[shut kestrel]

wdym?

No, there is no cycles, its completely random, it changes every hour

This prevents people from decrypting it with brute force

[stiff canopy]

So how would that work if it’s random through 2 rooms

[old hill]

I think they mean to ask if it lasts an hour from generating, or only works for the hour of the day you generate it

[shut kestrel]

A custom Random From Seed, thats what the key is for

The encryption key is the initial seed

[old hill]

Add the time generated to the code.

[shut kestrel]

Adding the time to the code makes the code even longer

The code only contains data about what you own

[old hill]

Oh, what's random from seed?

[shut kestrel]

A function I made

It picks a random number between X and Y based off the input seed

Its really, really easy to make

[stiff canopy]

So I think this is pretty fool proof and the only way to really exploit it would be to redeem your items and then wait 180 days to clone it to a friend

[shut kestrel]

yep

The only way its possible to decrypt is by knowing 4 critical pieces of information

To re-encrypt you need an additional piece

[old hill]

*to a friend that has never been in the new room before for it to record that you've got a new name

[uncut rivet]

i personally use the most effective decryption, Ruben Neise

[shut kestrel]

Do you want me to give you an encrypted code to see if you can decrypt it?

[stiff canopy]

Yeah it would be a pretty specific method that probably no one would do but still possible

[uncut rivet]

Ruben Neise nuts

[stiff canopy]

[uncut rivet]

[shut kestrel]

I realise I read "Neise" as "Noise" and not "These"

[uncut rivet]

mhmm UwU

[shut kestrel]

but yeah, if you wanna give a crack at decrypting the string, go ahead, heres my code:
jpGsV>?J,MN)kkv7@*Oo

[stiff canopy]

Crazy

[uncut rivet]

[stiff canopy]

Does it say KnifeSkin5, 2xSpeed, 3xMoney

[uncut rivet]

2014 never dies for me

[shut kestrel]

the string would be like 50x longer if I actually used names

[stiff canopy]

So instead of knifeskin1 it’s like the number 5

[shut kestrel]

Keys are stored in binary

[uncut rivet]

wut i would do 💀

index everything, read expecting correct order

[stiff canopy]

Ok whatever that means I’m not on that intellectual level 010101001101

[shut kestrel]

its just binary encoded, each skin has its own key-index, so I can record if its owned or not using binary

110 = index 0 owned, index 1 owned, index 2 not owned

[uncut rivet]

noob

[shut kestrel]

your 32:9 videos are so painful to watch

[stiff canopy]

I have to zoom in

[old hill]

Sorry, i'm still stuck on this, so it resets every hour. A code from the last hour would not be usable in the next hour. Is the "random" number generated based on the time put in some formula with a special number that only you know? (i assume that's what you're calling the encryption key?)

[shut kestrel]

Yes

[uncut rivet]

ultra wide 240Hz UwU

[shut kestrel]

I fucked up getting a 240hz monitor

because I never want anything lower

I need new monitors because these ones sucks, there is a reason they were cheap

[old hill]

Ah okie. I am often not very confident about for sure knowing the terminology

[shut kestrel]

Huge lesson : If you're going to get a monitor, make sure it supports HDR really well, because if it does, then its a good monitor

[stiff canopy]

Or just buy a small TV

[shut kestrel]

Monitors that have bad contrast/blacks/colors have like, an 8.0 SDR rating and 1.0 HDR rating (out of 10)

[uncut rivet]

i still dont notice untill it like, stops lagging. When it lags it dosent stutter, just slower framerate

4090 brrr

[shut kestrel]

My monitors are 8.6 SDR and 1.2 HDR

[shut kestrel]

TVs are usually VA, not IPS (unless its a newer OLED/QLED or whatever LED), and have horrible latency

[uncut rivet]

i still really only got it for rec, not even for higher hz

[uncut rivet]

mine probably supports it, but im too lazy to set it up bc plug n play

[shut kestrel]

i have no idea if HDR is easy to setup because my monitors are shite for HDR and it was a pain in the ass

[uncut rivet]

i think i just go to windows & search & yeah, but idc to

[shut kestrel]

Settings > System > Display > Use HDR

but you're going to need to setup your HDR profile

should only take like 10 minutes, but if you have good HDR it should look incredible

it takes an hour if you're me and want it PERFECT and re-do it like 5 times

[uncut rivet]

ye, im getiing my dual 4k ultrawide soon tho

[shut kestrel]

i think you overestimate the 4090

[uncut rivet]

xD jkk

[old hill]

Can non-owners of a room pick which welcome mat in the room a door of theirs goes to?

[shut kestrel]

Only in entry subrooms, but I think so yeah

[uncut rivet]

i wanted ur reaction again cus u know id get it

[shut kestrel]

i already reacted to this

[uncut rivet]

xD

[uncut rivet]

yee xD

[shut kestrel]

I mean, its the least overkill purchase you have

[uncut rivet]

probably, PC, aunt got

so most expensive alone is prob the monitor

[shut kestrel]

monitors have no right to be more expensive than a mid-range PC

[old hill]

Could you then make a non-entry subroom in ^Murder and just have an array of welcome mats in it that ^MurderV3 sends the player to to indicate which items they do and don't own?

[shut kestrel]

A 240hz, 1080p monitor that has a good display should be $500 MAX

[shut kestrel]

no

unless I have billions of welcome mats

[uncut rivet]

ye, i think its the smart crap everyones put in

it should be incredibly simple to just have a array of pixels that JUST reads colors

[shut kestrel]

I cant wait for the latest monitor releases which just hallucinate AI videos

[old hill]

Oh right, one for each combination of owned items

[shut kestrel]

Which is atleast 33 * 14 * 1,000,000 * (2^31-1)^2

[uncut rivet]

my monitor has whole samsung OS & can switch to a TV, like, literally just faster referesh TV at this point, but TV makers overprice more & go full smart & prioritize low refresh like 24fps movies

[pearl kiln]

Not this shit again

[old hill]

What do those numbers represent if you don't mind me asking? I'm obviously most curious about the 1,000,000 and (2³¹-1)² lol are they stats of some kind or am i just misunderstanding the equation?

[shut kestrel]

Transfered keys * Role boosters * Max consumable count * Max currency amount * Max leaderboard stat count

[old hill]

Good fucking lord.

Transferring consumable count, max currency amount, and max leaderboard stat count would on its own be impossible through what i suggested but the whole formula would also need to be factorial lmao

[uncut rivet]

my maid outfit is coming today

[old hill]

Why is that the message you reply at to announce that 😆

[shut kestrel]

why continue this convo here instead of #circuits

[uncut rivet]

bc i have to ping or sumn 🥱

[stiff canopy]

Horrible…?

[shut kestrel]

The TV in my room has 3 second input delay