Flying Vehicle Details

[hushed flint]

So I want to make a simple pirate game. You have a ship. I need a system sort of like a flying vehicle but I don't understand how to connect all the parts and why you need an animation gizmo and a cube, etc. Can somebody please fill in the details so I understand how they work?

[hushed flint]

Flying Vehicle Details

[hidden dagger]

bryh

u gotta clarify

[hushed flint]

the idea of a flying machine. A seat, animation gizmo, a shape, a clamp, etc. why do you need all that

and like what hold what in place

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@hidden dagger

[lean spoke]

which object are you trying to get to be the mother object from the clamp?

[hushed flint]

What's the right answer

[hidden dagger]

Vehicle Position + (Direction * (Speed * Delta Time))

[gentle lantern]

seat is because you cant rotate players on the Y or X axis, only Z (left and right). But seats can. Im geussing the shape your talking about is the steering refference for the circuits (i use trigger handle), in which animation gizmo snaps the steering object in place whenever you let go of it. And a clamp (piston v2 is less ink tho) clamps the animation to the seat.

[hushed flint]

Okay my goal is to make a boat.

I only need to rotate on Z

so how do I set it up without a seat

[gentle lantern]

So no seat, just clamp animation to the ship, and with the circuits, replace anything for the seat, with ship, but use vector split n such so it dosnt go up or strafe. And Quaternion split at y,w i think, so it dosent tilt anywhere causeing the player to go off

[hushed flint]

wait so do I move the ship as an object and if so arent I supposed to use a respawn

[gentle lantern]

ppl say its cheaper, i would if it dosent do all those orange squares, otherwise use set transform

[hushed flint]

well you can toggle off the orange cubes

its a bool value in the chip

[gentle lantern]

yeah, but not when it first came out. either that or it just never worked when respawning players

[hushed flint]

how do I make it go forward just a little bit every frame

what do I add to it and then respawn

also its a singleplayer game and the ship will run at 60hz

[gentle lantern]

After the movement vector is done, add a small vector create to it, with Z being how much extra you want to move forward

[hushed flint]

but wouldnt that just make the boat move forward z all the time?

[gentle lantern]

that, or add to the Z split to the Z create, that may work too

[gentle lantern]

not if you have the right system. It should already check if steering object is equipted, then run

[hushed flint]

well I want the steering object to be a wheel

but how do i keep the wheel in place

oooh wait i have an idea

I gotta try this real quick

[gentle lantern]

in that case, since the steering object will move forward depending on how far or close the steering object is to the ship, which is pivot based, so maybe you should add a dynamic offset accounting for the steering objects distance from the pivot, and then add

[gentle lantern]

Id suggest Pancake992's hand crank invention

[hushed flint]

that doesnt function when on a certain axis

[gentle lantern]

ah, well you can always figure out how to make it multiaxis, maybe get the man here himself for help. But i do remember it being an rotator, so i thought it shoukd work with multiple axises

[hushed flint]

I have an issue

I don't know how to set rotation works with the axis on which an ink object is oriented

so like

i have a wheel

but its pivot point is all whack

[gentle lantern]

You tried centering pivot right?

[hushed flint]

yeah

I just want the wheel to point towards where I let go of the handle

and stay there

i dont know how to do this it's too complicated

[gentle lantern]

Ok, this is the only comback method ik, it it dont work, ur gonna have to remake it with more care next time: look into the forward direction, create a cube, and manipulate it until its like a perfect hitbox for the wheel, center its pivot, then select the cube, then wheel abd merge. If wheel sets the cubes pivot to its pivot, edit it, and center pivot to cub and then delete it. If that dobt work, from what ik, theres no saving it

[hushed flint]

but how do I know if its not like backwards or upside down

[gentle lantern]

green is up, red right, blue forward

[hushed flint]

like if I set the rotation of an object to point towards something does the blue line point towards it?

[gentle lantern]

yeah

[hushed flint]

alright

so I need the blue line to point from the center of the wheel to the top handle

[gentle lantern]

probably depending on what ur doing tho, subtracting away probably makes it point in oppisite direction

[gentle lantern]

then use up vector instead forwards, and aling the handle and up

[hushed flint]

align?

[gentle lantern]

ye, vertically in line, above the pivot

[hushed flint]

so which line would point at the top handle

straight upward

[gentle lantern]

green

[hushed flint]

ok

@gentle lantern ok the green line is up now what

[gentle lantern]

well now do what you wanted to do, but using the up instead the forward vector

[hushed flint]

how do I set the rotation of the wheel to where I want it to

sorry that came out really inspecific

I dont know how im gonna point the wheel

wouldnt I need to like get the y and x from a vector of some sort to get a plane rotation

because the blue line is facing forward to the front of the ship too

[gentle lantern]

Well wheel is gonna be seperate from the ship, so respawn it with position being the distance where it needs to be corresponding to the ships pivot, rotated by the ships rotation, and then added to the ships position. And i having done and handcrank stuff like that, thats y i suggested pancake's hancrank, but i could give like, expermental suggestions?

First off, respawning probably takes more cpu, so i would use a rotator with wired to the wheel and then the body to the chip for starters

that will keep its position instead of needing to respawn

[hushed flint]

how do I get the correct position that i need for the wheel?

[gentle lantern]

and then rotator set rotation would be in there

[gentle lantern]

its in my paragraph

so geussing u dont wanna use rotator?

[hushed flint]

o

I would prefer not but maybe itd be easier

[gentle lantern]

rotator would be easier, and i would take advantage of it for the sake of efficiency

[hushed flint]

okay so do I just clamp a rotator

to the ship

so it moves with it

[gentle lantern]

its below the paragraph, body to ship, rod to wheel

[hushed flint]

body?

[gentle lantern]

the grey part

[hushed flint]

oh

okay so the rotator is held in place by the ship

and then the wheel is held by the rotator

[gentle lantern]

ye, wheel held by rotator's rod

[hushed flint]

ah i see

and then what

[gentle lantern]

then thats where idk at all xD i can give some experimental suggestions i never tried, and cant try bc im not on, that might work, that im sure someone will correct me for or sumn, but ye

also, your using trigger handle?

[hushed flint]

uh I was thinking an invisible object ( a ribbon with 0 length)

[gentle lantern]

yeah, thats fine, u said handle so i thought u meant that xD

[hushed flint]

no just the handle of the wheel that points up when the wheel isnt rotated

[gentle lantern]

yee

So id configure the rotator, remove all chips, edit it, and then 30hz, if ribbon is equipted via get first with tag. Then should rotator set rotation, and degrees from 0 to the degrees of distance the ribbon is at is what we need

[hushed flint]

how do I get the degrees

[gentle lantern]

idk, but can experiment xD

or just look it up, or wait until some else comes by

[hushed flint]

I know atan2 can get the degrees from two inputs

so maybe the z and y values of the vector3 position of the handle minus the position of the wheel?

[gentle lantern]

ok, so rotator get degrees, and then ribbon quaternion get axis which should output its rotation in degrees, but then im sure you could just turn your hand in place and then it would turn the wheel

[gentle lantern]

that too? xD idk. try it out

[hushed flint]

well wouldnt ribbon quaternion get axis get the rotation of the invisible tube? that shouldnt be a part of it because when you grab it it rotates to any weird position

[gentle lantern]

but rotator is stuck in a specific axis so it shouldnt matter for what u want, unless u try it out and it dose something undesired, besides from being able to stand there and rotate the wheele to ithe ribbons rotation instead of doing it a more desired way xD

it has to involve subtrancting tho, bc like vectors, if u subtract the right way, they'll follow eachother, so if we subtract the position of the wheel from the ribbon while taking in account for the up vector somehow, maybe that would work, but it needs to be in degrees n such/float

[hushed flint]

@gentle lantern well

im getting numbers

[gentle lantern]

ye xD

[hushed flint]

when I get the atan2 of the x and z value subtracted from the split of the handle minus the wheel

it says 90

wait no its wheel minus handle

[gentle lantern]

yee

[hushed flint]

wait no

hold up

handle minus wheel

yeah

okay but why does it say 90

it should be 0

[gentle lantern]

yee, probaly, idk the right subtraction order but i remember someone saying "destination - (idk forgot, but just the other thing)"

so should work bc handle is destination for the wheel

[gentle lantern]

u could subtract by 90

[hushed flint]

o boy

let me seee

[gentle lantern]

xD

[hushed flint]

looks like it works actually hold on a sec

well

half of the time

[gentle lantern]

maybe it literally just needs a sub by 90 offset, my best geuess xD

[hushed flint]

if its more than 180 the atan2 goes negative

so i would need to add 90

[gentle lantern]

aight, the there u go xD

[hushed flint]

stay with me we're getting somewhere I think

[gentle lantern]

ye, and then cryptic creator is gonna come here and start dropping some cos's correcting us xD

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fr

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@gentle lantern looks like it works... I haven't yet tested it when the boat is rotated differently though

it works when its facing forward tho

[gentle lantern]

ah, but only when facing fowards?

[hushed flint]

unsure

but if it does work...

how would I convert that rotation to a turning speed?

[gentle lantern]

well gotta test it then xD

[hushed flint]

^

[gentle lantern]

turning speed for the boat, like it will rotate the boats Z?

[hushed flint]

okay pause

it doesnt work

when the ship is backwards is spazzes

nevermind

it doesnt work unless facing forward

[gentle lantern]

are you using vectors? Like what have u got so far

[hushed flint]

which is the issue

no matter how the ship is faced, it still gets the rotation among the xy axis

so if the ship is sideways then you have to move the ribbon in front of and behind the wheel to make it work

and if its backwards its the opposite of if its forwards

[gentle lantern]

yeah but whats the maths in its current state

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@hidden dagger How do I get a relative atan2 of a changing plane?

like the plane changes so if its facing forward you use x and y values in the atan2

but when its sideways you need y and z

[hidden dagger]

rotate by inverse of boat rotation

[hushed flint]

rotate what

[hidden dagger]

vector

[hushed flint]

what vector

[hidden dagger]

idk

[gentle lantern]

thats y i wanted u to say what the maths are

lay it out, whats subtracting n all that

[hushed flint]

like how it decides the x and y values for the atan2?

[hidden dagger]

yes

[hushed flint]

it decides using the position and subtracts them

but it always uses the y and x values of the positions

hence the issue

[gentle lantern]

so thats where u can rotate the vector

[hushed flint]

because it wont use the z values when it needs to in order for it to work

[hidden dagger]

what is supposed to be relative to

[gentle lantern]

rotate, then use the split im geusing

[hushed flint]

Okay so I have a boat, it's wheel should rotate so that the top handle is always facing the position of an invisible ribbon thats attached to an animation gizmo so it hold it in place where the wheel is currently rotated

ill take a video and put it here

https://streamable.com/4jd1nl @gentle lantern @hidden dagger

this is the issue

and i showed all the circuits

How fix

[gentle lantern]

Eh, then i got nothing but boolean system, but obviously it can be done with math, so id wait for cryptic, someone else, or research it more

but when its facing backwards, maybe try absolute value on the subtracts?

[hushed flint]

@hidden dagger ideas?

[hidden dagger]

Vector = Vector Rotate((Handle Position - Wheel Position),Quaternion Inverse(Wheel Rotation)

Atan2(Vector.x,Vector.y)

[hushed flint]

okay put that into english and go step by step im stupid okay

what do I do first

[hidden dagger]

subtract handle position by wheel rotation

rotate the subtraction value by the inverse of the wheel rotation

plug the X and Y values into Atan2

i think

idk it was a bad demonstration

[hushed flint]

I can re record it

what do you need to see

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wait solution

subtract handle position by wheel position

rotate the subtraction value by the inverse of the boat rotation

plug the X and Y values into Atan2

(or X and Z idk)

this way no matter how the boat is rotated it will always be correct

[hushed flint]

you cant subtract handle position (vector3) by wheel rotation (quat)

they both either have to be quat or vector

[hidden dagger]

fixed

also you cant subtract quaternions

since they are nothing like vectors

you can only multiply

[hushed flint]

okokok

got it

what chips do i use for step 2

to rotate the subtraction value by the inverse of the boat rotation

get rotation into a quat inverse chip right

but then how do i rotate the value by that

vector3 rotate?

is it the Rotate Vector chip?

@hidden dagger

[hidden dagger]

yes

[hushed flint]

the wheel is spazzing the fuck out

what do i do

[hidden dagger]

just inv me

@hidden dagger

[hushed flint]

I sent a request to @hidden dagger

a friend request

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@hidden dagger How do you recommend converting the rotation to turn speed? And what do I do if the player turns it more than 180 degrees?

[hidden dagger]

gotta make a rotation calculator

check out pancakes invention

edit n save

[hushed flint]

Is it called rotation calculator or does it go by a different name? I can't find it

[hidden dagger]

look at their portfolio

[hushed flint]

whats the name of it I dont see it

I mean to be fair I don't really know what I'm looking for

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@royal dagger How do you make the thing from your hand crank where it calculates your total rotation depending on how many times you've rotated it

[royal dagger]

Use the delta rotation instead of the atan2 rotation directly
Try to figure the rest out urself(makes u smarter) or google it