#PREquel (next game) predictions and hopes

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granite flame
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I could see Grem making an appearance, especially if the moon was involved

mild cloud
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I wonder if SE will do the whole subspace again for the endgame.

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Remember in Ritual that Gremory can move about freely in subspace according to Zangetsu.

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I hope the endgame in SE is better than RotN's.

lucid quiver
loud warren
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I feel like there is a high probability of Gremory and Bael either appearing or being referenced in some way

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It would be kind of strange if they aren’t honestly

granite flame
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I don't know if this is true or not, but I think from the initial trailer they showed, there weren't any prominent Ars Goetia demons in the castle

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It felt more like it was lesser demons and vampires (The sanguinaries)

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The only prevalent "demon" was "Demon Lord Elias", who doesn't fit the demon moniker imo. He doesn't look like a "demon lord", more like a "human possessed by a demon". Even compared to Dracula, he gives off more of a "possessed human" aura rather than a powerful demon lord

All this to say, yeah...I think maybe the more prominent demons (like Gremory) are more 'hiding behind the scenes', even more than how Gremory initially was

wintry ridge
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I hope it won’t be a story about possessed humans again, that’s a lot haha

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Adi Shankar ruined everything SumikaShook

mild cloud
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So if Gremory does show up it won't be until a critical point in the story.

vestal tangle
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Excuse me @crimson plinth , can I join to translate to Vietnamese language for this new game before the game will be released?

crimson plinth
vestal tangle
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I understand.

lucid quiver
granite flame
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The name 'Theodore' is of Greek origin and means "Gift of God" or "Divine gift"

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Fitting for a leader affiliated with the Church ("Black Wolves")

daring robin
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So Theodore is going to be like SE's Zangetsu?

granite flame
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Personally, I'm leaning toward him being more "Barlowe" or "Dominique"

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  • Some of his speech in the SE trailer feels like they can be 'ambiguous', similar to how Barlowe says "Mankind's greatest wish will be realized."
  • Assuming the Bloodstained series is going to follow some of history as their background, during 1500s England, there was a significant conflict between England and the Catholic Church (King Henry VIII/The Church of England/Protestants vs. Catholics)
daring robin
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Looks like I'm not the only one who thought, "This guy could potentially be a traitor"

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Although at the end of the trailer, someone in a cloak goes over to talk to Elias (and I can't take that demon's name seriously XD)

granite flame
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Lol, I'm kind of hoping he isn't (I think it'd be cool if he turned out to be a level-headed mentor on the whole), but...yeah. He does give vibes that he's a traitor or has ulterior motives.

I'm not sure if the person talking to Elias is him actually, but I can definitely see what you mean

lucid quiver
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Every time the discussion of Elias' name comes up, I think of this clip

granite flame
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(Not a historian. Going off of what I understand)
Think there are some vague irl allusions that can have similar themes to RotN ("Wanting to regain power"). In the 1500s England,

  • King Henry VIII (Reigned 1509-1547) created his own church so he can move away from the Catholic Church. In doing so, he empowered protestants over catholics.
  • Queen Mary I of England (Reigned from 1553-1558) who succeeded Henry VIII was a devout Catholic. She was infamous for burning religious dissenters at the stake, which earned her the label "Bloody Mary"
  • Queen Elizabeth I (1558-1603) later succeeded her and was a devout Protestant. Once in power, she worked to moderately suppress Catholicism in England compared to her predecessor's more ruthless measures (See aforementioned "burning religious dissentors at the sake")
mild cloud
lucid quiver
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Eventually we'll just get to the point where "Oh it's the mentor. When do i kill them?"

granite flame
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Nah, I think it'd be fine. You can pick up foreshadowing and clues.

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And even if the mentor is hiding something, it doesn't necessarily mean 'Im obviously evil'

lucid quiver
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Yeah, but if you use that too often as a narrative device, it gets boring

daring robin
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Which is funny because I like the Mentor trope on Narratives

lucid quiver
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Both "the mentor dies" and "traitorous mentor" are already common tropes

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But while you can do traitorous mentors twice in a franchise, i recommend against doing it twice in a row

granite flame
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By the same token anticipating if the mentor is traitorous becomes a stale thing too. I think it's more about the buildup and payoff. Even if you know it's coming, it can be satisfying if it's done well (and plays with audience expectations)

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On topic, it could be cool if Theodor feels like a traitorous mentor, but ultimately isn't. Something-something, he suspects something is wrong with the Black Wolves' mission, and does his own digging whilst trusting Leo and Alex to take care of themselves.

daring robin
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I just hope that the same thing that happened with the Band of the Hawk in Berserk doesn't happen to the Black Wolves on Bloodstained

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Because they have to explain the non-existence of this group on RoTN

lucid quiver
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Weird

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Did they schedule the same tweet twice?

vestal tangle
daring robin
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Huh?

lucid quiver
lapis geyser
lucid quiver
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That explains it

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You may accept the typo or defy it. But you cannot deny it.

versed forge
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lol I've done the same typo

sinful nimbus
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There’s so gonna be a Jonathan and Charlotte inspired clothing in this game

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As a nod to Portrait of Ruin being a direct inspiration for Scarlet Engagement’s team mechanic.

lucid quiver
granite flame
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These tweets are paltry. I demand gameplay and story lore!

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"Bound by fate"
Is that a subtle way of saying they become a couple?

daring robin
vestal tangle
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With at least ||true ending which would lead to the event in RotN||

granite flame
vestal tangle
daring robin
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Also, it's just me or...

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vestal tangle
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I bet ||there would be a plot twist about these two||

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||with the help of alchemy, that would be possible…||

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But for now, let’s put this aside.

sinful nimbus
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Is there a chance we can get a Bloodstained sequel in the future?

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To continue after the events of the good ending of Dominique’s curse.

lucid quiver
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Likely in the future but we likely won't get an announcement until after Scarlet Engagement releases

crimson plinth
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At this rate I'd say maybe in >2031

sinful nimbus
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True guys! Thank you for telling me this information.

crimson plinth
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Big maybe though

sinful nimbus
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True! I feel we will get more bloodstained games because the series has been successful.

granite flame
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Yeah. Alternatively, if they're feeling it, I could see a small sidestory or something later on

mild cloud
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I can see them doing an actual prequel about the demon summoning 10 years prior to RotN.

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The first Curse of the Moon was originally intended to be that prequel before becoming a spinoff.

dawn ingot
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bloodstained seems to focus on demonology at its core, along with some original monster stuff on the side. seeing how alchemy is involved, it lends itself toward chimerical designs, which is how demons get described, so it fits.

mild cloud
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While Castlevania is more focused on those monsters from Universal Monster movies.

lapis geyser
lapis geyser
granite flame
daring robin
lapis geyser
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I expect we'll have more to announce before the end of the year. We haven't finalized our plan yet, but my expectation is to have more before the year is done. I don't want to go that long without something meatier.

crystal yacht
lapis geyser
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Here's a question for everyone...what are your big questions for Scarlet that you are looking forward to having answered?

lucid quiver
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Cause obvious ones are story based

lapis geyser
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You can ask anything. It's the answers you will have to wait for.

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This is me looking for some insights on what people are curious about so as I'm making plans later on I can possibly touch on specific points.

lapis canopy
daring robin
lucid quiver
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STORY: Is there a link from the heroes, villains, or background players of Scarlet Engagement to the heroes, villains, or background players in Ritual of the Night?

GAME: What was the inspiration to go with two protagonists instead of one this time around?

META: What sort of mechanics do you want to see in future Bloodstained titles?

lapis canopy
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I think the questions thread above was created before the SE reveal trailer. I'm sure there are better questions now that are more relevant to the new game.

lapis geyser
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I also plan on at some point having an IGA/SHUTARO Q&A for those kind of questions. If I get to do a video with the dev team, those are good questions to have for that.

lapis canopy
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Does ArtPlay have a full team in house to program the game? What parts (if any) are contracted out?
Who is composing the music?

lapis geyser
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Nice one.

granite flame
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Hmm...

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Story

  • How much of an influence will real-world history play into the background of Scarlet Engagement? Will there be references to England's, Europe's, or the real world history in general based on the current setting (1500s England, the latter half being the Elizabethan Era)
  • Will alchemy or the crystal curse play a key role as it did in Ritual of the Night?

Game

  • What improvements will be present in Scarlet Engagement compared to RotN? What have you learned from RotN’s development that you hope were improved upon for Scarlet Engagement?
  • Are there any plans for DLC?

General/Development

  • If you could make any kind of game within the Bloodstained universe, what would it be? (Puzzle game, action game, strategy game, etc…)
  • If you could make a Bloodstained game in any era, which time period and setting would you choose?
lapis geyser
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I would like Bloodstained-themed minigames.

lucid quiver
granite flame
lapis canopy
lapis geyser
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That would be fun.

crystal yacht
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Honestly for me it's always revolving around what we can get/do in the game.

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Story stuff while cool isn't a huge concern for me. Gameplay is king.

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also, how the MP works...

lapis canopy
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and shields

crystal yacht
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I've pretty much given up on shields.

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Idk why people don't like them but it is what it is.

lapis canopy
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i don't even know you anymore

crystal yacht
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I am curious if Familiars are returning.

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I want them.

lapis canopy
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there we go

crystal yacht
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but it never seems to happen outside of a soul ability or something.

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I miss the SOTN approach where it's a physical item lol

lapis canopy
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a physical item that leaps out of your hand when you block something?

crystal yacht
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I mean yeah against physical attacks and stuff but projectiles as far as I remember it blocks fine. lol I much prefer to hold the shield then spam the attack button and hope i hit everything.

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but above all it's just fun to collect things in games like this. It's part of the big appeal. Coolect abilities, collect weapons, collect cloaks, collect shields, collect familiars.

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that's a huge draw.

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but a reminder.... This is the same issue i have when i discuss remakes with people.

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I'll be like I miss so and so and people might go.. " they weren't good in the original though"

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maybe but why not use the opportunity to make it good?

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Maybe people didn't like the shields cuz they didn't have as much use as they could but ....they COULD if they developed the idea better.

lapis canopy
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The shields were good though. I loved the unique magic each one had

crystal yacht
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yeah you know me that's the stuff i like about the game.

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all the random easter egg things you can do.

lapis canopy
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all those little extras add up to what makes it a masterpiece

crystal yacht
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I'm a sucker for the charm of seeing different visual effects too.

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like the dark shield and it's lighning effects.

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the fire one with the fire trail as you ran..

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like even if they were completely useless. I love that stuff.

lapis canopy
crystal yacht
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I mean i'm one of those give me all of the above people. lol

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If it's been in a IGA game...i'll take it

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lol

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outside of maybe the core gameplay gimmick since that typically changes game to game.

lucid quiver
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My version was better LyfeSigh

lapis geyser
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I like skill blocking. It's more difficult, but it feels REALLY good to block an attack and counter.

vestal tangle
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Reason: At first, I don’t like shield. Because of this #🍷丨ritual-of-the-night message

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I have to choose cuz who knows in the next game, we would meet this again

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As long as it’s the weapon type, not magic, I’m fine.

crystal yacht
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What was everyone's favorite?

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I already said mine. The dark shield at the top.

daring robin
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I just want to say that Scarlet Engagement will be the first game in my life that I will not watch any reviews or videos about, not before its release, neither on launch day, nor even when the game turns 5 or 10 years old.

I want to play it, finish it, and make my own conclusions.

lucid quiver
daring robin
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Yes, but usually at some point we stop to check out a review of the game or something like that.

lucid quiver
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Maybe I'm weird then cause I avoid stuff I want to experience myself

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Stuff related to*

daring robin
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I want to do something different with this game.
I'm not saying that I base my opinion on that of others (quite the contrary), but I feel that this game is a case where I don't want the opinions of others to affect how I view Bloodstained (RoTN or TSE).

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Whether I love or hate TSE will depend 100% on myself.

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I'm hyped for the game, but I also don't want to sabotage myself with it. I've already learned my lesson with that piece of trash called Sonic Forces.

lucid quiver
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I'll probably enjoy TSE more because I'm not planning on paying 500 USD for it

tight wharf
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Also about shields, it should have like a block limit (stamina related) or damage reduction when using it up to nullify damage if the damage is too low or focused against that element that heals the user instead

lapis geyser
lucid quiver
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And look at us now

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2.50 USD Horse Armor is like, the least offensive cosmetic to buy

tight wharf
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And now we got this gacha bs with exalted skins and I call the shit out of these losers who bought them

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People are dodging the 500 Ahri or Kai'sa in their games.

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It's giving them the middle finger for being suckers

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And people complaining about 10 dollar skin packs.... Pfft

lucid quiver
lapis geyser
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I love a good DLC outfit for my characters!

cursive atlas
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i can think of an idea to add in as an unlockable for beating the game once: Miriam Mode

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basically put go through the entire game but play as miriam and zangetsu

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(think of castlevania portrait of ruin's richter mode)

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though i get the feeling the idea may have been brought up in here before

vestal tangle
lucid quiver
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Miriam solo mode could be fine, actually. Portrait of Ruin had Old Axe Armor which was a solo mode

cursive atlas
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i feel like having the mode be more similar to Castlevania Portrait of Ruin's Richter mode (so playing as both Miriam and Zangetsu in a similar way as playing as both Richter Belmont and Maria Renard in Portrait of Ruin) would work better

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and if making them both have pre-assigned weapons is a problem why not use Curse of the Moon as a reference (Miriam using a Whip and Zangetsu using his Katana)

lucid quiver
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Maria was unfinished though

craggy spire
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We need the system requirements

daring robin
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I was rewatching the TSE trailer for... I lost count.
And I noticed this.

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lucid quiver
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Oof, that's gotta get fixed

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Is that during an attack animation?

daring robin
lucid quiver
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Yeah, that's gotta get fixed.

daring robin
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Did anyone notice that this costume comes from this monster here:

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crystal yacht
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Okay thats dope.

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Getting costumes from bosses would be great.

daring robin
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||I wonder if that guy who looks like a psychopath is the one talking to Elias in that scene.||

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lapis canopy
mild cloud
mild cloud
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I have a hunch that there is a possibility that one of the people from the Black Wolves clan is one of the Sanguinaries in disguise.

cursive atlas
crystal yacht
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Goated villain.

lapis canopy
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Should Scarlet Engagement Have Shields?

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Yes

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bosscraftwork

crystal yacht
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@lapis canopy while not many people voted. 100% makes me feel really good as a shield fan. Lol

dawn ingot
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will the two knights be the only playable characters or are more planned?

lucid quiver
mild cloud
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I won't be surprised if there are alternate playable characters.

versed forge
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You guys can still use this if you want a less-crowded place to talk, or maybe for longer or more detailed thoughts. I imagine the main one might move pretty fast, especially as we get closer to the game