SDPL II - Commencement

[tawdry wigeon]

I think the issue is to select more competent managers

Some of these management decisions related to draft and post draft have been undoubtedly questionable

[iron gazelle]

i gotta look at the other potential duos in signup but this is still the best managers could've been

bias aside

[tawdry wigeon]

I didn’t look at manager alternatives ngl

[neat dew]

i think there were 1 or 2 close ones

[iron gazelle]

ok nvm there were definitely some really strong managers cores that weren't picked

[neat dew]

idr exactly

[iron gazelle]

a lot of those cores u have someone who have top cut / won multiple tours

ala quinn

Name : Oblivion Ambers
Managers : SpaceSpeakers and @irrorSaMa 

The Slugs
Taka and QuinnTeam 

Team Name: Hudson River Slowpokes
Managers: Slowpoke Fan + Toxinalpaca 

[tawdry wigeon]

I see 4 pairs that I could see doing well

That weren’t selected

[iron gazelle]

although I do think that it would've been more balanced if this was altered

[neat dew]

how would expanding help?

balancing out all teams more?

[tawdry wigeon]

Is there a way to see which people were regulars easily?

I’m interested in seeeing the average winrate of regulars

[neat dew]

i could give you the signups sheet

[tawdry wigeon]

Also 2x manager self buys is a bit ridiculous if both are regulars

[tawdry wigeon]

Could I pm you an email or can you send it here

[neat dew]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TuY3qeu8bGRJHXOi-CvCef1pwstHx0PKlYgxZLMgyf8/edit?usp=sharing

names should be the same on both sheets so just a matter of cross referencing

[tawdry wigeon]

Okay this looks like a pain to sort through I’ll see if I end up doing it later

Actually not too bad just need to get to my computer

[iron gazelle]

it makes pools less lopsided

but maintains the emphasis on giving regulars a chance to play

[sharp terrace]

sdpl would be better if i was in it

[iron gazelle]

also yes i kinda agree selfbuys are somewhat broken

teams with a selfbuy seem to be doing considerably better than the teams that didnt

[neat dew]

yea... cats are a p good example of that being broken

i dont think we had the reg rule last year? probably needs finetuning

[rare path]

you ran required regular starters last year iirc

[placid olive]

Easy fix would be to do it the way adpl does it (or used to do it before they also got weird)

Every team still needs a required number of regs, but they only have to play a specified number of times per season (ofc it can be more than that if you want)

So every team has like 3 required regs and every one of them needs at least 2 games

It makes the tour less reg dependent while still giving them representation

[neat dew]

thats different from having 3 regs starting each week?

[rare path]

over the course of the whole tour they are playing x games

vs playing every week

yes it is substantially different

[neat dew]

guess im wondering what problem it solves and how

[placid olive]

Flexibility

And the fact that you don't have to use all 3 regs in a given week

So it makes it much less of a determining factor

Being able to strategically place johnnynuts123 in just 2 different games per season is much different from having to start him every week

[neat dew]

but we want regs to be used

i do get your point

but think it needs a different direction

[rare path]

the number could be tweaked from 2 obviously

[placid olive]

Yes but I think the issue rn is balance, rn there might be too much of an emphasis

[rare path]

I could see this being a valid direction to achieve the effect you want if its sufficiently high

obviously the number of times one would have to be played would depend on the number of weeks the event is going to run, so you'd adjust accordingly

I'd imagine even ensuring those regulars are run for 2/3 or 3/4 the event would be a pretty big difference in flexibility from the 100% it is now

[placid olive]

mhm

And that helps with price inflation as well

[rare path]

and that's still a majority of game time

[placid olive]

If more flexibility with regs is allowed, their price will also drop a bit

Which then increases the price of the scl quality players

So you achieve a much better balance between teams if people are actually going for their worth

[low pagoda]

hey, that’s me

btw where is the sheet for this tour

[placid olive]

Admin channel

[strong quarry]

problem was just bad drafting, our top 2 players combined are 10-1 and 9.5k combined

[royal current]

spirit of the tour is that it's for people who use the discord server first and foremost and I think a lot of people are missing that

removing line count/picking managers that don't talk here defeats the point of the smogcord circuit existing to begin with

2x self buys with 2 regulars is definitely broken though

adding a custom to this tour was probably a mistake

which is sad because it was a cool idea

also please never do discord usernames for auction again please please please

definitely contributed a large part to the auction being a bit off

[somber tusk]

Ye def needs to be forum names

[royal current]

drafting a guy called 12472874818 but it's not that it's actually mirrorsama

[placid olive]

That's also majorly in part because your managers both self bought

The team doesn't look nearly the same without that

And I mean that goes for us too

That's the problem is it's kinda easy to say other people drafted bad (which to an extent is true) when you're on a team that started with a natural advantage

Now many players were indeed underpays and that is in fact the fault of managers, but given the inherent lack of flexibility it just makes drafting insanely awkward

[placid olive]

Idt the linecount thing has to be removed but it can be dialed back. If it's 3 regs per team and every reg needs 3 games per season, that's still a lotta games for regs without majorly disrupting your ability to draft

Blt is mainly for tour room regs and adpl is mainly for rookie players, but this is the system they still use to keep it balanced

And I've found it works quite well at both creating more competitive teams while still holding true to the values of the tour

[pallid iris]

I think it is both

People freaked out about regulars a bit

I think it would be a better idea for a tour if more people that were regulars played the tiers listed

But the entire early auction was insane 20k prices to snap up the ones that did regardless of actual level

Double self buy not being extra expensive

Was prob generous

[placid olive]

Well there's always gonna be inflation when you say you need 3 of these guys in your lineup every week

[pallid iris]

That’s what im saying yea

[placid olive]

Ah yea the edit cleared that up

Yet somehow we still live in a world where sealoo was 11.5k

[pallid iris]

This could segue into a manager selection point but I feel bad criticising when im not an established manager myself

I think ideally pairs should be turbo active server person + experienced manager

[placid olive]

Yea but that's rarely how they'll actually pan out

You could also structure draft the way blt does it

They have a pool of required players as well, it's called gpool (guaranteed pool)

And every team needs 4 gpool players

So draft occurs in 2 sections

The first section is just gpool, everyone bids and gets their 4

Then after everyone gets 4, you add all the other players to the draft list and it proceeds as normal

That way you can at least account for the inflation upfront

And you should see less massive underpays on good players because people don't need to conserve money like crazy for their regs

[rare path]

Vioker has already been made aware that this was a pain point. I intend to make a solution via Chatot to keep things on Discord as he wants, while still getting the sort of standardised signup with clearer names and other data that the forums would provide

There was (is?) a feedback thread he shared that you all could have put this various feedback in. Maybe that was just for auction though, idr

[rare path]

This is interesting I’ll make sure to keep note of it so it doesn’t get buried if vioker doesn’t see it

[hushed portal]

i think the BLT idea is cool yeah

we could maybe try something like, guaranteed pool players are drafted in a different auction from the regular ones, with a minimum of y guaranteed pool per team, and they need to have played more than x games by the end of the regular season?

im not sure if draft would work if you want to include all the guaranteed pool players so maybe snake draft?

and if we want all the players we need to increase the linecount requirement bc its just gonna be painful to manage a team with like, 20 people

[velvet copper]

i feel like you can blame a majority of sdpls issues on this im ngl

that coupled with some inexperienced managers and generally smaller pool sizes makes this tour bound to be unbalanced

[astral grotto]

yeah I dont think that point was driven home enough we should say that 10 more times

despite it already being addressed

+1 to BLT format though I think that would fix a lot of issues

[neat dew]

ya https://www.smogon.com/forums/form/smogon-discord-circuit-feedback-2025.108/select

it focuses on circuit but you can put teamtour stuff in the other field

otherwise i will likely forget most of this by next year, but we'll also likely have another discussion prior to the teamtour starting and i do think the system needs finetuning, while still keeping the spirit of regs prioritized

[late gulch]

ayo the circuit is fire

do i get like a miny trophy or ribbon i wanted to outdo @pallid iris

[neat dew]

you get bragging rights

and a CA probably

[late gulch]

i see

@pallid iris ur bad im better

[pallid iris]

Yeah you see

Read it and weep

You didn’t win a real fucking trophy like I did I tackled ZRyan in his prime mate

They actually say that homefield advantage is worth 151 dollars

[late gulch]

zryan prime is a 63 rated non rare bronze card pal

[pallid iris]

Prime is prime

He fell off now and hes got less pace than mertesacker

[late gulch]

😭😭😭😭

i heard his physicality is good

@loud fox ?

[loud fox]

zinnias had to bribe me to win homefield all im sayin

[late gulch]

i see

[loud fox]

i was promised a cosplay of orihime and i never got it

i was scammed.

[somber tusk]

My condolences

[cold pumice]

@tawdry wigeon maybe next time you can be at the top of the sheet

[tawdry wigeon]

Maybe next time you can make playoffs

🥂

[cold pumice]

Better pray that we don’t sweep this week

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh do yall still have odds

[cold pumice]

Yeah I think so

Very narrow

But possible

[neat dew]

we basically need to win

so not too narrow

[tawdry wigeon]

Gotcha gl

[neat dew]

also hling again wheel is the best 4k ive ever spent

[tawdry wigeon]

Goes back to the manager issue I was talking about in no world should wheel have been 4k 😭

[cold pumice]

Got some good sets in, so happy at the end of the day

Even if I kinda lucked soggy a bit g1

[velvet copper]

my point is that idt there needs to be an overcorrection to how this tour is managed. having 3 regulars on the lineup is fine imo, and the blt idea is interesting but idt its rly necessary

[tawdry wigeon]

ye thats mostly why i signed up to play rands for this its been too long

havent been very locked in these past few weeks since we've been guarenteed playoffs but the first few weeks were really enjoyable sets

[cold pumice]

Fr kinda glad that the rands pool was top heavy. Wasn’t trying to run the gauntlet every week

[uncut sigil]

Late to this but I think draft has to have forum names

it was very confusing sometimes to see who is who

[paper coyote]

Win so I can spinback in playoffs @cold pumice

[cold pumice]

Already did my job

[paper coyote]

Cant have my only real opponent be icybumguin who will probably hax

[cold pumice]

Also you dodged icy during the season smh. Why’d you let this guy go 6-1

[paper coyote]

They changed lu last minute

Was gonna tell icy to sub into a different slot actually but forgot

[cold pumice]

Rip

[paper coyote]

Ladder kinda exhausted me from rands tho so idrm

Week break before we stomp playoffs

[cold pumice]

Nah if we make it in, we’re taking it

[paper coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-mask-gif-10635347690073820963

[tawdry wigeon]

sybau you dodged me since you didnt want to go negative in sdpl

[tawdry wigeon]

i would've played ubers if you told me you werent playing rands

[paper coyote]

Whatever makes u feel better

Catlike champion 😂😂😂

[tawdry wigeon]

😼

[paper coyote]

I’ve got like 12 hours sleep last 4 days, wasn’t exactly on the forefront of my mind 🥸

[tawdry wigeon]

bro's pulling this shit and calling me a bum 😭

[paper coyote]

Bums come in many flavours

I still go to work no matter how tired I am 😶‍🌫️

[uncut sigil]

Since my team is eliminated I would like to thank @civic anvil and @atomic glade for drafting me

[past pond]

all quote unquote problems come from this being the worst auction of all time

and bad drafting

[cold pumice]

I went 7-0 for you tho 😭

[neat dew]

i blame the players except for star wheel

[tawdry wigeon]

i blame none of the players except for star wheel

[tawdry wigeon]

how much do you think its discord names vs managers?

[past pond]

entirely manager incompetence

source: i went 20k

I could point at other people as being clear ridiculous overpays but I don't see the need to put individual managers on blast

just lots of trolling in auction

[tawdry wigeon]

Stats for regulars(>1500 messages) in sdpl
63-97 overall

not as bad as i thought ngl but 40% overall winrate is rough, this is including manager self buys

[tawdry wigeon]

fair take, definitely a substantial part of it

[wet sable]

only 3 non selfbuy regulars are positive rn so selfbuys are def broken in this

oculars sealoo blooclipse

me zinnias and poat are also positive but selfbought

problem with 3/8 regs is the pools are pretty shallow even with good managers

esp because some of the pools dont really have regs at all

like rands sm ur not getting regs for

there were regs slotted into rands but all were 0-x except a 1-1 and 2 1-2's

last year pretty sure every regular was super negative in rands too

meta for this tour is selfbuy both and dont be natdexers and get a natdex player in auction rather than bothering buying regulars for other tiers in auction minus a few exception

a couple exceptions but for the most part selfbuys save way too many credits and natdex is the best pool to buy a regular for

nd you get good cheap regulars because theres a ton of good picks and selfbuy you get good cheap regulars because fixed price

[neat dew]

what are your recommendations to change

[wet sable]

adding aaa to the tour could make regs stronger prob

i remember last year aaa reg pool was good although tbf half the aaa players managed

either aaa or vgc / dou > rands would help or increasing to 10 slots

[neat dew]

i have no basis for adding AAA otherwise but vgc tracks

[pallid iris]

what on earth are you doing

[wet sable]

why are you reading smogcord pl commencement

[pallid iris]

so ur tryna sneak in the worst suggestion ive ever heard.

island tiers are not a good thing to add actually.

[hushed portal]

idt aaa is a bad tier to add, bias aside

theres a pretty deep pool of players with quite a few regs who are aaa players, and theres a lot of resources for getting into the tier

[wet sable]

Last years pool without ca and an unusual amount of aaa playing managers whi didnt selfbuy

[iron gazelle]

this would definitely be manager incompetence but I also thing its frankly needless work for a cord tour when something as simple as "preferred username"

would've lowered confusion significantly

[past pond]

nah

some of the decisions r truly fuckin inexcusable

with regards to draft

[hushed portal]

i went 1-5 yo

[past pond]

sure yes making it smogon users and not discord usernames is an upgrade

[wet sable]

pretty sure thats why i voted against it 😭

So that i could study the pool and have an advantage

[past pond]

HELLLLLLLLL nah

[iron gazelle]

yea thats all i meant to say here

there were for sure other issues

[hushed portal]

you played aaa oomf 💔

[past pond]

other metas shld stay in their containment chamber

yea i played it in an other meta tour

im not tryna gaf about a diff tour where my teammate switches great tusk in on pixilate volt switch

[past pond]

regs were good

the teams just look wildly unbalanced

[hushed portal]

theres no reason for this to "EXCLUDE ALL OMS BC THEYRE OMS" when aaa is a competitive meta and its discussed somewhat frequently in this cord

[past pond]

because some teams bought all the good players

and some teams bought zero of them

[past pond]

competitive

reminder that the majority of the website does not think these r competitive or representative of pokemon

[iron gazelle]

what does the latter statement mean

[past pond]

do the math

[iron gazelle]

i mean its purely subjective without further elaboration

[past pond]

^

[iron gazelle]

oh

[past pond]

that asw

[iron gazelle]

i dislike tier islands yes

[past pond]

tier islands r bad

but idk like

other metas r just not analogous to singles tiers

it doesn't fit the team tournament

[iron gazelle]

i think I could seriously disagree if I cared enough about these tiers but I rly don't so

[past pond]

gg

i wld not play or manage if you add oms

degrades the integrity of the tournament to circus madhouse just to add an island slot for nobody to watch

[iron gazelle]

could one make a case for this with a format like rands

[past pond]

yes

remove it please

if your concern is signup quality add ss sm oras

[iron gazelle]

i think interpretations of what tiers are competitive are always gonna be varied but I would understand why ppl don't want these tiers

was there ever a format discussion

[pallid iris]

I'm committing myself to being a nicer person and less dismissive of other viewpoints

[past pond]

if your concern is that it's a discord tour meant to serve the community- then by all means add aaa and add whatever people want to play

[iron gazelle]

or just chosen in private

[pallid iris]

But dont kill me with AAA 😭

[past pond]

basically just pick one

either it's a discord tour to serve the community and its quality doesn't matter, or it's supposed to be somewhat competitive and having decent player pools in real tiers is something you value

[hushed portal]

the majority of the website also has not learnt the intricacies of the tier at all and just shit on OMs bc theyre different. AAA may be a meta with high variance but if you actually took time to learn the meta its really not that different from "OU except you get 1-2 more ability options" for the most part. yes, there are gimmicks but what tier doesnt have gimmicks? and i dont see your argument about how its not representative of competitive pokemon is valid at all. LC is played with level 5 pokemon and with the same mons every generation yet people still play it without shitting on it because they find it fun

[pallid iris]

AAA fit into prizeless sdpl just fine

[past pond]

yap

[iron gazelle]

.

[past pond]

the majority of the site doesn't shit on oms because they're different it's because they're nonsense

[hushed portal]

these arent mutually exclusive? like i said there is a deep aaa pool and if you searched it up you could find tons of good aaa players

[past pond]

what do you MEAN you can put any ability on any pokemon

these r things you come up with on the playground when you're eight

[hushed portal]

why do you have such a narrow viewpoint

[pallid iris]

ragebait going too far now chiiill

[past pond]

real tiers was written

[pallid iris]

violet river if u diss the wrong om

[past pond]

anyw i have some jobs to do

[iron gazelle]

what does real tiers mean just like SCL/SPL tiers?

[past pond]

j word alert

[pallid iris]

League isnt a job bud

[hushed portal]

its just subjectiveness really

[past pond]

ill take do not use over other metas

there are degrees of realness but modding the game is so clearly far removed from real

[iron gazelle]

cart conservative then

weird term but hopefully u get that

not that i don't mind that I think its a little funky when a large chunk of regulars don't even play these real tiers beyond OU or at least not very well

[past pond]

i don't get what you mean sorry

[past pond]

which ones can i diss

[iron gazelle]

i think i need to see the signup sheet before committing to this point but essentially shouldn't the formats more or less be catering towards tiers that the regulars can actually play well instead? UU for example doesn't have a strong regular pool at all so i'm unsure why its even in the tour at all.

[tawdry wigeon]

There was a good rands pool

We saw how that turned out

[hushed portal]

uu was added bc its a circuit tier i think

all our tiers are circuit tiers..?

idk

[iron gazelle]

ig but then draft doesn't get added for whatever reason

[pallid iris]

ZA OU

[iron gazelle]

i don't really like the incredibly multi-centric circuit either tbh

[iron gazelle]

woah thats my petmod tf

not cool

[pallid iris]

No shes just regular conservative + no smogon tiers are accurate to cart anyway

its just some edits suck

[tawdry wigeon]

Draft doesn’t sound good in a tour like this

How do you deal with tb

If they have a good team mu

[iron gazelle]

presumably this scenario doesn't exist if both drafts are not terrible

not saying I want draft in this tour ftr

[tawdry wigeon]

I think managers drafting terrible draft players who make terrible drafts is a real possibility unfortunately

[past pond]

you do multiple drafts per team

id rather draft than an om

[past pond]

yes

im not cart conservative id be down to mod out rby 1/256 glitch

it's just that the ways that oms mod the game is so clearly more nonsense than the ways good tiers mod the game

er

real

[iron gazelle]

i mean their mods aren't trying to fix they are adding

[marble crane]

That's kinda the issue

[pallid iris]

[iron gazelle]

its stuff that should've been figured out in

a real format discussion

[pallid iris]

Gap week blows

[iron gazelle]

gap week actually blows yea i'm just sitting around in NDCL doing fuck all rn

[wet sable]

yeah extra week to tour where you don't do anything sucks

[past pond]

gap week blows

unless spl

[wet sable]

Unless ur the draft player

i feel like draft is too much of a hassle to add to non draft teamtours to be worth esp when the playerbase is different

[past pond]

meh

[royal current]

i dont think we should add more jank tiers

[past pond]

draft wld be awkward

[royal current]

rands in the tour is bad enough already tbh (no hate to rands players)

[past pond]

but i tolerate it more than total nonsense

aaa

[past pond]

amen

amen

idk if you've read up

[royal current]

im watching my rands slot get haxed or shit mus every single week

[past pond]

but im crusading

against the nonsense tiers

[wet sable]

aaa would be over rands in my suggestion

[royal current]

i also dont think draft should be in it

even though im biased towards draft

to be entirely honest my idea is kill off the custom and have it be a for fun tour as god intended

it was a lot more entertaining last year

[iron gazelle]

should catering tiers to what regulars prefer despite being less competitive** be in the spirit of the tour

[past pond]

ye do that is fine

ok so I think the biggest issue w this tour and team imbalance is

[iron gazelle]

this is probably the method

[past pond]

managerial incompetency has lead to very unbalanced teams

despite having a fine player pool

[royal current]

if its gonna be a 'serious' tour, i.e. strengthening pools and whatnot then there should just be standard tiers

[past pond]

i totally reject the idea that you need to add aaa to make the signups better

[royal current]

what happens when there's no active aaa players 2-3 years from now LOL

[past pond]

lol

idk ab that one

but basically

all tournament related competitiveness issues come from skill issue

and wld be fine next year

BUT if you want to make it back into a for fun tour that serves the community

then fully remix the slots

have natdex and oms and whatever

remove the ca

etc

[iron gazelle]

i don't see how its a serious tour now if u have multiple SPL players facing against ppl who have never touched a circuit playoffs before

[past pond]

ye this is just ridiculous

[iron gazelle]

only way u could make it fair to me is if u just axed the regulars rule

[past pond]

nah

[royal current]

well the problem is we have half of the teams drafting seriously and half not

[past pond]

idc abt that at all

some teams r just strong top to bottom

[neat dew]

@iron gazelle
https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1427028113535012975
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TuY3qeu8bGRJHXOi-CvCef1pwstHx0PKlYgxZLMgyf8/edit?usp=sharing
since i saw you mention it

[past pond]

some teams r unplayable

[iron gazelle]

i mean i don't want the entire tour quality to hinge on the managers being good at their jobs to work around the restrictions when it couldve just been standard auction

see a lot of quality tours just suffer cuz of a quirky new rule getting added

[royal current]

ngl i think a lot of the complaints just plain arent that big a deal to me from the pov of someone who just views it as a fun tour

some teams r ass some r good kinda just how it goes

[iron gazelle]

if its just for fun thats fine but CA tours and higher gotta be held to a higher standard surely

[royal current]

ngl im not really sure it does tbh

there r so many custom tours nowadays

not all of them need to be max competitiveness

but yeah im mostly in favour of just binning off the custom

[iron gazelle]

ye but this is a pretty extreme case study of this phenomenon

compared to other tours on site

[neat dew]

i think our only quota was supposed to be high numbers and nothing insane

[royal current]

i dont agree with complaints about what captains were accepted per se as most were here last year too in some form and replacing them with the same 4 people that show up to captain every single tour on site that has a custom attached is not better

[neat dew]

which i think sdpl 1 and 2 accomplished

[iron gazelle]

PL 2 defo had big names signup

[royal current]

these big names dont actually use the server though

[iron gazelle]

yea

[royal current]

i dont agree that shoving out regulars to fit in "stronger" captains is suited to this tour

[iron gazelle]

hard to have it both ways tho, in regards to asking regulars to both manage competently and to be on par with spl caliber players if they sign up to play

[royal current]

yeah thats why i want it to be a fun tour instead

idk if im in the minority though

[iron gazelle]

where would u even move the CA slot towards

[royal current]

not a scooby tbh lmao

it doesnt have to get used ig

[neat dew]

if pl loses the CA we aint putting it anywhere else

[iron gazelle]

i mean if presumably we keep CA

[rare path]

CA can go to the community playthrough for whoever's team I like best

[royal current]

tbc i have no issues with the fact that a custom was added this year i thought it was an awesome idea and i was a fan of it at the time

dont want it to appear that im being negative about it

[iron gazelle]

u kinda do more or less follow violet's and others concepts in which ur much stricter on manager selection and formats at the cost of regulars getting less opportunities

[royal current]

ive just changed my opinion a bit after this ssn

it would be worth experimenting with frags idea to keep regulars included without it being as difficult to balance before we go nuclear i think

[iron gazelle]

theres nothing inherently wrong with having a CA for this tour but I think ther eis kinda an identity clash on how this tour is supposed to look

[past pond]

yea sure

[past pond]

nrly

cas are pretty free

and also

i get griefed in CA tours all the time

[royal current]

@past pond i cant wait to grief you in dwl

[past pond]

:p

[royal current]

get double pinged idiot

[past pond]

as a manager I never get griefed

[royal current]

not yet

[past pond]

for the tour to go wrong as a manager u have to have fucked up a lot

people cancering is whatever

as a player tho

if your teams bad irs just bad

no control over it

[acoustic hawk]

This is mad cope lmao the rands records are actually ordered pretty well by caliber of player 😂

This tour is just unserious which is fine

[pallid iris]

do u like my squad river

also rands has been a good part of the tour

i defend that shit

[past pond]

it's p powerful

Rands is fine yes

its some tier inbetween super real and super unreal(oms)

[royal current]

i really dont think its cope to say rands is less competitive and higher variance than any of the other tiers present here

im not even saying that as a dig on rands its just factual

[acoustic hawk]

Idk man nd and ubers are pretty unserious too

[tawdry wigeon]

I think the rands pool performed nearly as expected tbh

[acoustic hawk]

^ yeah this is what im saying

[royal current]

i agree with this but i dont really think it disproves what im saying

[tawdry wigeon]

What are you saying

Rands has higher carience?

Variance

[royal current]

higher variance and generally less competitive than the other tiers present

[wet sable]

rands is bo3

[royal current]

i'd say the same thing if the slot was monotype

[tawdry wigeon]

So if it has higher variance

[royal current]

no hate to the tier or the players

[tawdry wigeon]

How is the standings ordered so well

I’d say that disproves what you’re saying

[royal current]

but if you're wanting the tour to be ultra competitive then it probs doesnt belong

[wet sable]

theres hax in every tier even with bo3 but thats just the game

[acoustic hawk]

hmm this is an interesting discussion

[tawdry wigeon]

Or at least is heavy evidence against it

[acoustic hawk]

How much luck is involvwd in rolling a good matchup in tiers prep?

[royal current]

i just disagree plainly

[acoustic hawk]

Like if youre pulling up with a fish intiers isnt it also “lucky” that you found the right mu?

[royal current]

sample size isnt exactly large to work with for this tour to disprove what im saying

[acoustic hawk]

I understand that scouting is a thing but idk if thats all that relevant tbh

[royal current]

to an extent? you're looking at your opponents habits and what they like to run though

[past pond]

Faxxxxx

[tawdry wigeon]

So then by that logic how are any of the tiers more competitive

That’s just not an argument

[royal current]

im not arguing no im stating what i believe to be a fact

[past pond]

we can all agree that oms r a tier of uncompetitive beyond the tiers currently in the tournament.

[royal current]

i agree with this lol

but like its hard to argue ubers is less competitive than rands is when you can just look at which tiers get played in the major tours and which ones dont

[acoustic hawk]

Thats not necessarily a good indicator either

tds have their own biases

[royal current]

i think a good indicator is the fact that rands is bo3 to begin with

[past pond]

as a Rands player

[royal current]

why is it bo3? why is it bo5 in their bigger tours? sometimes bo7?

[past pond]

it has a very high skill ceiling

everyone does not reach it tho

[royal current]

i agree!

[acoustic hawk]

What about rby lol

[past pond]

Rands is a high skill format but everyone chokes back and forth every game making it look bad

[acoustic hawk]

Wasnt there a whole debacle about that in recent times

[royal current]

i never said i think rby is competitive

[past pond]

Don't remove Rands just ban bad players

[royal current]

when gen 10 comes out if spl has to cut a tier it should be rby

[past pond]

rbys Tuff

u suck

[acoustic hawk]

At least youre consistent

But many tours players would take issue with that asw

[past pond]

rby and Rands r both great formats played by chokers who make them look bad

^

[acoustic hawk]

Because despite a tier being high variance it can still have greater skill expression

[royal current]

if a tier NEEDS to be bo3 to be competitive why exactly is that?

[past pond]

rby doesn't need it

[tawdry wigeon]

Who said it needs to be

[past pond]

people just like it + it's grandfathered in so may as well keep it

[tawdry wigeon]

It’s just preferred that way

[past pond]

Rands is kinda similar I think

Status quo is just that bo3 is pog

[royal current]

all im saying is that rands is high variance, yes the best players will generally rise to the top and the bad players will fall to the bottom, i dont disagree with that

[tawdry wigeon]

If tiers prep was easier people would also do bo3

[paper coyote]

@tawdry wigeon what did rampardos do

[acoustic hawk]

Well at what point is competitiveness determined by higher skill expression vs less variance

[tawdry wigeon]

Touch me and my entire family

[past pond]

Rands is a bit higher variance than some other formats

But its not uncompetitive

[paper coyote]

Mmmmm

[acoustic hawk]

Like id argue some people value the former more than the latter and i think thats reaosnable

[past pond]

So I have less of a gripe

[royal current]

again at no point have i said this

[past pond]

Tjan for say

Oms

[royal current]

i do think it is less competitive than the other tiers but i dont think its ridiculously so

[paper coyote]

Rands is more competitive than draft lol

[past pond]

ridiculous untake

[royal current]

why are we bringing up draft

[past pond]

as someone who plays both

[royal current]

is that just a personal jab at me cause i play draft?

[past pond]

well obviously yea

it's just bait

[celest pagoda]

This lol

[acoustic hawk]

dr*ft

[royal current]

i literally said earlier draft doesnt belong in this tour

[cosmic orbit]

true

[tawdry wigeon]

Michael

[paper coyote]

Michael 😂😂😂😂

[past pond]

the most uncompetitive part abt draft is

[celest pagoda]

Who up Michaeling rn

[past pond]

how much u can be puppeteered

[cosmic orbit]

i'm crashing out so me

[past pond]

someone does hr draft makes ur tema and tells you how to play

[royal current]

one thing i have learned recently is the rands community is very insular and doesnt seem to be very nice

[past pond]

that's fax

not recent

[tawdry wigeon]

How so?

[celest pagoda]

Curious

[paper coyote]

michael?

[tawdry wigeon]

Definitely is insulated tho

[cosmic orbit]

how come

[acoustic hawk]

Its insular but tiers discourse gets way more toxic lmao

[tawdry wigeon]

It’s almost exclusively random jerks

[past pond]

the rands community only interact via 1800 elo ladder games

[acoustic hawk]

LOL

[cosmic orbit]

:(

[royal current]

just as a bystander who's been observing

there's a lot of hostility

[robust matrix]

2400 elo bc they all join mine lol

[royal current]

i joined a jerk a while back and the vibes were not good lol

[tawdry wigeon]

Why do you feel that way?

[paper coyote]

rands ladder games have more heart and soul than 80% of other formats 🥰🙉

[acoustic hawk]

Yeah theres no way bro

[paper coyote]

mid jerk lol

[past pond]

who's acc you steal then

?

[celest pagoda]

This lol

[acoustic hawk]

Rands is legit the nicest community ive been a part of on ps

[paper coyote]

LMAO

[sturdy lagoon]

[tawdry wigeon]

Sounds like a bad jerk then lol who was in it

[past pond]

be a part of more communities

:)

[royal current]

well ur man paysa not doing u a lot of favours rn

[cosmic orbit]

so true

[paper coyote]

@tawdry wigeon im your man 🥺

[celest pagoda]

Paysa IS rands

[cosmic orbit]

i mean i'm in a bad jerk as well, but that's because haunters there

[acoustic hawk]

Ofc when the community is so big there are gonna be dipshits

[tawdry wigeon]

How so

[sturdy lagoon]

@paper coyote what did you do 😲

[past pond]

ok unironically

[tawdry wigeon]

You’re just speaking generalities w/o backing anything up

[past pond]

the worst part abt the rands community is how many games you guys call unwinnable on matchup

[tawdry wigeon]

💍

[past pond]

I mean yea she's just articulating her feeling based on experience and vibes

It's not objective, how could it be

Lol

She's super right ftr

[royal current]

begging me to air it all out in a public place im not that dumb man

[celest pagoda]

River I know you aren't saying 'you guys' here lol

[past pond]

heh

[acoustic hawk]

This is solely a skill issue though

[cosmic orbit]

can we talk about world cup

[paper coyote]

heh 😼

[past pond]

was wondering if someone wld say it

adv is a miserable formats

im locking out of it for rbtt

u guys saw my unown counter.

[tawdry wigeon]

There’s just no examples for anything, from uncompetitiveness to the community being toxic

[past pond]

SEVENNNNNNNNN

SEVEN UNOWNS!!!!

[tawdry wigeon]

I’m not asking you to

[acoustic hawk]

yeah lowk adv sucks but at least its fun

[past pond]

I had a bo3 that tour where I got two unowns back to back

[royal current]

yall can just look back at how obtuse you're being and the general tone being taken at me when ive not said anything disrespectful to anyone about rands

[past pond]

Hppsy into hpbug

[paper coyote]

me irl if anybody gaf

[celest pagoda]

Oh hey Muslim Toji

[cosmic orbit]

LMAO

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh hey justout

[past pond]

does there have to be

[paper coyote]

What’s up lol

[cosmic orbit]

oh hey icy

[past pond]

ur allowed to have opinions on things right

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh hey sylvee

[past pond]

oh hey wigglytuff

[celest pagoda]

They're calling me the Australian Nanami btw

[cosmic orbit]

bssf bo7 soon

[tawdry wigeon]

They’re saying it’s a fact

[royal current]

there's no point rlly engaging anymore they're just twerking for an argument

[paper coyote]

Pull my hair and punch my gut

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh hey @indigo vortex

[past pond]

twerkmaxx

[celest pagoda]

Twerking for other reasons personally

[still plume]

https://tenor.com/view/sanji-nobody-loves-me-gif-4131441800377650355

[past pond]

average randbats player wld twerk for a lv 92 raticate

[still plume]

youre so right

[paper coyote]

I’d kirk for a level 92 raticate

[robust matrix]

this was funny the 6th or 7th time lol

[still plume]

charlie charlie kirkie

[tawdry wigeon]

Down lmk when

[paper coyote]

@past pond are you a fan of heatrans

[past pond]

the miami heatrans

[paper coyote]

the rbtt flame body faction 🥸

what rands do u play outside of adv

[past pond]

rby

[acoustic hawk]

Oh dear

[past pond]

ill sign for roulette for rbtt tho

[acoustic hawk]

Poor guy

[paper coyote]

dm me (justout.) for tryouts

[sturdy lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-gruñones-gif-27699081

[past pond]

im tuff in all 9 gens...

[tawdry wigeon]

@pallid iris are you a fan of heatrans

[still plume]

gsc is where the moneys at

[pallid iris]

Sybau

[sturdy lagoon]

Roulette is shiest

[paper coyote]

you’re my favourite chopped masters player

[sturdy lagoon]

Best change in rands history

[acoustic hawk]

tones gonna change real quick when we start seeng gen 2 bo3 in the roulette slot

[sturdy lagoon]

TRUE

nuke that shit great idea

[tawdry wigeon]

Sooooo favorite masters player?

[paper coyote]

that’s edward shoetrees

[cosmic orbit]

@tawdry wigeon now

i want to bssf

[tawdry wigeon]

I’m on phone but sure

[cosmic orbit]

oh

i will wait

[tawdry wigeon]

Lemme hop on

Nah

[cosmic orbit]

let have proper games

come on

[somber tusk]

Unfun bssf

[tawdry wigeon]

On @cosmic orbit

[cosmic orbit]

bssf is always fun

you should draft me for it

im good

[pallid iris]

I agree

Paysa has achieved nothing in real tiers

But thinks he’s a someone because he manages (just makes his players schedule) a tour with free CAs

[cosmic orbit]

he hasn't achieved anything in rands

[paper coyote]

This

[pallid iris]

What is there to achieve

[paper coyote]

Wanna be drafted by us @pallid iris

[pallid iris]

Getting good mus

[somber tusk]

Never fun

[pallid iris]

I ain’t signing up 😭

[paper coyote]

Bro whyyyyyy

The roulette pool is already so sparse

[cosmic orbit]

you don't get it

[pallid iris]

I don’t like signing up for tours I don’t think I’ll get into

[royal current]

@pallid iris this is some elite ragebaiting im taking notes

big fan of your work

[paper coyote]

what if me and you signed up for spl together twin

[still plume]

if you guys ever need to speak to a wholesome rands player message @robust matrix 🥰

[pallid iris]

I’m getting into that tho you stay safe

✌️

[celest pagoda]

Yo Paysa yo unsafe rn?

[pallid iris]

Bros 0-1 in OUFL

[celest pagoda]

We can fix that

[pallid iris]

🤣 🤣

[paper coyote]

Noname waxing you next week pussy

[pallid iris]

I don’t even play noname next week

[paper coyote]

Zzz

[pallid iris]

@royal current I broke him

[paper coyote]

Help me 🥺

[pallid iris]

He’s inventing matchups like an AI

[still plume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194788778515124317/1451761943860875294/togif.gif

[pallid iris]

oh you should’ve seen his face he got ragebaited so hard!

[royal current]

good shit

[paper coyote]

Want me to dm you the face I’m making rn @royal current

[sturdy lagoon]

✍️

[paper coyote]

I’m SOOOOO ragebaited

[pallid iris]

Nobody needs you to send ass pics

[royal current]

u can just invite me to ur full vc and show me there x

[paper coyote]

bet

[celest pagoda]

What's a vc sorry I'm new

[paper coyote]

lots of cuties in here :D

[pallid iris]

Honestly paysa you would have more success with women by saying “michael” with a group of shitters than by sending your face

Try it on tinder

[robust matrix]

heyy 🖐️

[celest pagoda]

Oh hey Haunter

[still plume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1397401663521951885/1433202791026921543/IMG_4552.gif

[cosmic orbit]

true, i am here

[somber tusk]

Can we sell back paysa

[paper coyote]

Sell me and buy zinnia

[pallid iris]

Why didn’t he play against icy

Icy is getting too confident after farming some rando this week

I think the opponent was Deeznuts67 or something

[still plume]

67

[somber tusk]

I did throw unfort

[still plume]

🤣

[paper coyote]

Me and icy were too busy making out lol

[pallid iris]

Not making it out of any early rounds tho

[somber tusk]

You'd fit right in with the mindless cod kids and their shit sense of humor I see

[tawdry wigeon]

Got out r2 of the last open she played btw

[pallid iris]

How would i fit in with cod when you’re the one getting baited

🐟

@royal current another own

I’m on fire

[still plume]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-stupid-speech-bubble-gif-14969685279836542254

[paper coyote]

Herpes

[pallid iris]

I own all of rands

I’m the fucking king of zinnicord

[somber tusk]

I've dealt with so many clowns the past month I asked to change back already

It's obnoxious garbage

[pallid iris]

Yeah I saw and i do actually feel bad about it

[somber tusk]

Stop

[pallid iris]

Cuz i had a bad old username too

However trig pulls are trig pulls

Oh also

My irl name gets made fun of in the same way

It’s Susy (i chose it before among us created)

So i feel u broski

[fading perch]

Wait what

U r going back to poat?

[somber tusk]

Yes

[fading perch]

Oh

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh hey @fading perch

[fading perch]

Gm

Hello toxic rands community

[celest pagoda]

Hi 👋

[robust matrix]

And my toxic never misses !!

[cosmic orbit]

am i toxic

[still plume]

greetings LW

[tawdry wigeon]

I think lw’s existence disproves the allegations

[somber tusk]

Nothing wrong with that name it's a perfectly fine one some people just can't handle anything even a little different

[cosmic orbit]

cool

[somber tusk]

Or from a game

[paper coyote]

Xerosic giving backshots to Heatran @celest pagoda

[fading perch]

😳

[robust matrix]

Confirmed avatar choice btw

[fading perch]

I wonder if chat could generate that image

[celest pagoda]

Who needs chat lol

[robust matrix]

That's my manager JustOut459 !!

[celest pagoda]

It's already made

[fading perch]

Give the spriters an idea

O

[pallid iris]

It’s actually mind boggling how many people feel the need to drop off the first low quality joke they can think of when they see the name and actually think they’re doing something lol

can imagine u had a lot of that too

I think we can all agree that paysa got owned itc

I will now bid my farewell

[somber tusk]

Always

[paper coyote]

im so fucking MAD!!!

[somber tusk]

Skill issue

[tawdry wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/0-gif-14224457178163031750

[tawdry wigeon]

Only person that gets owned is you playing rands

[uncut sigil]

damn I missed another huge convo

[somber tusk]

Just never go outside

And never sleep

[neat dew]

sounds healthy

[somber tusk]

Ikr

[uncut sigil]

True

[placid olive]

Whataya mean by this

Also yea what you wrote above this is just how blt does it

x amount of players that need x amount of games per season

And it's still auction

[hushed portal]

oh i meant auction

i think i thought it out poorly in my head at the time but i was thinking thered there be too much regs to get all of them in an auction with limited credits

[placid olive]

Oh, well I mean yea but not every reg is drafted under this version of the tour either

[hushed portal]

fair enough

[glass goblet]

<@&1432390425855135795> @hazy storm @upper oasis oi

[hazy storm]

?

[ornate island]

🤔

[glass goblet]

[upper oasis]

@glass goblet

[amber narwhal]

[cloud linden]

what

top tier baiter

[royal current]

what's the score in furry series

[placid olive]

3-1 furries

[royal current]

ty

let's go volcaronas xx

[placid olive]

@royal current @stuck sun do y'all know when the rest of your games are

[royal current]

mine is tomorrow 11pm gmt mortal is 9pm +5.5

[tawdry wigeon]

does this determine if only 2/4 playoff teams have positive differential?

[hushed portal]

SV UU: duckycrater vs oliviaotero - <t:1766962800:F> / <t:1766962800:R>
SV NatDex OU: concepteverything vs im_m0rtal. - <t:1766937600:F> / <t:1766937600:R>

[placid olive]

No it determines playoffs as a whole lol

[tawdry wigeon]

who gaf abt playoffs tho thats a much funnier stat

do those games determine which teams make playoffs or just seeding?

[placid olive]

both

[tawdry wigeon]

oh wow very down to the wire

[royal current]

we're locked in playoffs

[placid olive]

Yea I just noticed that like an hour ago, but your series still has implications for seeding

And whimsis still aren't locked

[royal current]

ah I see

[feral tulip]

You’ve only won three games this week?

Unless yall deadgamed 3 games as well

[royal current]

we have 4 wins

pannu Celeste clean cow

furries can't match our diff anymore

[feral tulip]

No one tell clean they havent posted win yet

[royal current]

did this bum seriously

@barren bramble .

[feral tulip]

Wait they don’t have yalls team role

Lmao!

Unaffiliated win so we should dq them thoughts?

[royal current]

you scared of meeting us in playoffs...?

[feral tulip]

I have more faith in the furys to make it past first round.

[royal current]

worry about yourselves first imo..

[feral tulip]

What’s there to worry about? Ez sweep

[royal current]

@hazy storm @neat dew @indigo rain mortal is waiting x

[hazy storm]

He’s already been challenged

[royal current]

ggs Mr everything

wish you lost so my game wasn't series decider though.

[tawdry wigeon]

So Delphoxes cats belis locked for playoffs?

And then who is still fighting and what are their odds

[neat dew]

is it not gears over bellis

@marsh fossil if you have chance think we can get a week update?

[feral tulip]

No we’re rn competing with furys

If furys win 6-2 + we lose all three games they make it

Else, we make it

[neat dew]

interesting

whats the scores for those two teams?

[feral tulip]

Currently 3-2 with a dg so we should be locked for poffs now, if sheet is accurate

Since worst we can go is 3-4, -1 differential to put us at (0) game score while best furys can go is 6-2, +4 differential which puts them -1 game score

[grizzled shuttle]

i believe bellies are locked

[feral tulip]

Bellies are locked with a draw

[grizzled shuttle]

with a guarunteed tie we needed the furys to not get 6 diff

and we got our tie

its 4-3 series score rn

and the furys have 2 loses

[feral tulip]

Yep

[grizzled shuttle]

so it should just be gears bellies catlike guys and delphoxes

[tawdry wigeon]

who is 3rd seed out of gears/bellies?

[fast pulsar]

Whimsicotts 3rd

Fourth will be us or belli

[tawdry wigeon]

what determines that?

[fast pulsar]

Belli win or tie / we lose = bellis in
We win + bellis lose = we’re in

[tawdry wigeon]

whats your score + games left to play rn?

[fast pulsar]

We’re 3/3 an i think belli is 2/2 but idk I haven’t followed their score super closely

[tawdry wigeon]

gotcha ty for the info

[fast pulsar]

np

[unborn wasp]

Apparently the bellys are 4-3 @fast pulsar

[unborn wasp]

According to this

[feral tulip]

Yeah bellis are in

Furys are out

[fast pulsar]

unfort

was a fun tour tho

[unborn wasp]

Whats the score of gears?

[feral tulip]

3-2 with 3 dead games lol

[unborn wasp]

How are there 3 deadgames

😭

[feral tulip]

Violet deadgamed since both missed the time

And then kayzn won to secure playoffs so exg and sire deadgamed cuz they didn’t care

[fast pulsar]

LOL

[unborn wasp]

Well, if you go 3-5 we'd have a tiebrraker

[feral tulip]

Ngl this a comical amount of dgs but it secures us the week so I don’t mind

[unborn wasp]

But it is what it is

[fast pulsar]

average tours player

avoid playing the game by all means necessary

[feral tulip]

Well yall are 5-3 no?

[unborn wasp]

Oh right

We cannot go 6-2

mb

[feral tulip]

So it doesn’t matter yeah

Good try though yall got really close o7

[royal current]

all 4 playoff teams having positive diff in the end is terrible news for agenda posters

[tawdry wigeon]

Free playoffs

[placid olive]

so true bestie

[safe whale]

Go sharks

[safe whale]

Where is this from

[strong quarry]

free playoffs

[dense heart]

probably their teamcord

oh nevermind, they wished someone gl for poffs

[pallid iris]

Zinnicord

[safe whale]

Ok

[dense heart]

@pallid iris ur going down frfr

[pallid iris]

Derpy was wishing me specifically luck in playoffs

Thank you very much

[pallid iris]

🤣

[dense heart]

yeah that's gonna be the reason for our loss

if we lose

[pallid iris]

Is that v0-2 pioz

[dense heart]

🙄

[pallid iris]

Best OUPL throw of the year winner

Aura loser

[dense heart]

we both lost to baganha, only diff was u didnt get haxed

[pallid iris]

You didn’t get haxed either he was just being nice

[dense heart]

🤣 🤣

[tawdry wigeon]

@dense heart when are we playing sdpl

[dense heart]

right now

[pallid iris]

Also I did miss a stone edge that won

[tawdry wigeon]

They don’t have week up

[dense heart]

😔

[pallid iris]

And your game had less than that

And I dont even call my games hax

[safe whale]

Blame it on ur managers getting banned

[dense heart]

yeahhh yeahhhh suuureeee

[pallid iris]

I guess you’re like this random guy who was in the thread

Saying he actually watches games

[dense heart]

i watched

i chose to ignore

[pallid iris]

You didn’t watch

[dense heart]

i watched

[pallid iris]

+5.5 pbfer

[dense heart]

racist

bannnnnnnn

[pallid iris]

how is pbfer racist it’s about Roblox not race

[fast pulsar]

manager chat

[dense heart]

ok

gamist

ah ok

[pallid iris]

You said to me about the game after I had fallen asleep

You weren’t watching nothing pioz

[dense heart]

waos

i watched the replays 💀

[pallid iris]

Is not possible

[dense heart]

brother what LMAO

[pallid iris]

Is not possible

[dense heart]

coping

we both are its ok

😔

[pallid iris]

At least I don’t do bi erasure

Like you do

[dense heart]

?

[tawdry wigeon]

You don’t buy erasers? How do you erase things then

[pallid iris]

[safe whale]

[pallid iris]

oh we do have fun don’t we icypenguin player teammate

Im on a two pointer actually

I need to play spl

[tawdry wigeon]

We do

Btw wanna play a set sometime today I lowkey haven’t touched rands outside of the one set a week I play for this in the past month

[rare path]

Free Wifi’s sleep schedule (From making Sunday midnight updates for this tour) ✅

[hushed portal]

hope you have a great week wifi

[rare path]

thank you

[ruby jacinth]

@rare path

are you sure thats the lineup we submitted

[pallid iris]

Hope you have a great month wifi

[rare path]

this is what sapphy sent me last night

[ruby jacinth]

huh

@shy furnace

@hushed portal

[hushed portal]

i fuckes up oops

[ruby jacinth]

ohhh

happens

[tawdry wigeon]

Hope you get that fixed

[rare path]

It was, hence the checkmark (and the delay)

[atomic glade]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-horizons-iono-nanjamo-spin-gif-1900510681712918285

[somber tusk]

No longer best streaming character tho

Rip

[atomic glade]

nope iono is better

[somber tusk]

Gimme canari

[royal current]

my goats

[stuck solstice]

iono clears the other one

[atomic glade]

sami W

[somber tusk]

It's ok to be wrong

[rare path]

Image muting poat

[somber tusk]

[atomic glade]

that means no more cloud

punishment worse than death tbh

[somber tusk]

Facts

[neat dew]

what the SDPL stats looking like

[ruby jacinth]

dire

[tawdry wigeon]

@placid olive @somber tusk what’s your series score rn

And when are last two games

[somber tusk]

4-2 baddy in 15

Taka at 4pm -5

[neat dew]

@rare path can we get an OP update?

[tawdry wigeon]

Thank you

[tawdry wigeon]

Cats 5-3 in finals

[rare path]

When I’m on desktop

[neat dew]

would people value usage stats for this tour

[royal current]

TIIIIIEEEEEEBREEEAKERRRR

[somber tusk]

What are you guys picking

I think I know

Lol

[tawdry wigeon]

Random battles

[somber tusk]

[tawdry wigeon]

Also do you need a certain # of 1500 message + slots for tb?

[somber tusk]

N

Anyone can tb

[royal current]

i do like gambling

[tawdry wigeon]

We play mons everyone here does

[somber tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gambling-gambler-gif-572068894331490223

[tawdry wigeon]

could managers post tb times when they have them please

and how has @fathom sedge not played yet stop johnning bro

[somber tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-shoo-go-away-leave-me-alone-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-17141647

[fathom sedge]

Why do you ping me and not the opposing team

What i do

😢