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glacial stag
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Also, i have so little ground pressure, that they can afford to go gas weezing and deny me of my mons busted abilities 💔

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And be a grounded poison

rancid kestrel
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Sure, I think those are valid perspectives, yeah.

glacial stag
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Like the teams im making rn are wack as fuck

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Iron def lefties araquanid unironically wipes this dude, but if volc is alive, i cant do much...

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Cetitan i also trust is a good wincon for me, but with volc, scizor, and lando, it is possible for them to switch to stall out my snow turns...

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Which is pretty fuckin crazy

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Also i cant go corrosion cause thats way too slow unfort

lofty sparrow
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it's good enough for what it is

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especially if they forgo leftovers for something like life orb or metal coat to break your team

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doubly so if they dont run recovery!

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even if they are leftovers recovery forcing them to eventually u-turn out is still positive for you i think

glacial stag
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I suppose so, its deffo easy to stick the obvious stuff to a mon

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But maaan i need that scizor dead IMMEDIATELY

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You know its dire when they got me runnin shii like this

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glacial stag
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TERA ROCK TERABLAST SLUSH CETITAN

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THERE IS A LIGHT

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Or maybe tera dark? Resisting suckerpunch, shadow sneak, and bein neutral to bp is really nice

rancid kestrel
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Tera Dark seems usable for sure

glacial stag
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Ok yea teradark knock off titan can pop off, even max def and hp weez gets ohkoed after bd, terrakion nearly dies and can live with a bit of hp investment, and only urshi can live 2 knocks, but it wont be able to take anythin else

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Sash infil drag can be scary, but hopefully i dealt enough damage to the rest of the team to render titan no longer needed

lofty wigeon
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First matchup for playoff, Open tera on everything Low tier Nat Dex

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misty plumeBOT
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spare relic
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fv23D5eJkN-Yuh18HA5r7jB0XiW-pI1dOL3fkuOB-mI/edit?gid=389544134#gid=389544134

just curious. I have a team of bellibolt terapagos gouging fire & klefki right now. I’m thinking of getting an attacking dark type but weavile and moon are gone. So I’m looking at either shifu or zarude right now. I do also like okodogi as an option but I fear it might overlap with shifu.

This is Natdex draft, I’m in the second draft pool and my team can be found in the “T10” slot.

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And I can’t pick what my teammates already picked

olive halo
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Zarude is not that great without Tera. Not worth. Shifu is a fine Pokemon, but your team is kinda slow right now. You need a Pokemon above 100 speed. And you also need a Pokemon above 115. I would look for those roles first before getting a dark type

spare relic
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I was going with crobat and mega absol next but realized then I also need a ground. So maybe Krook can work here? Or look at the cheap ground options?

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This is the roster currently

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olive halo
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Krook got power crept and is no longer very good. Rhyperior is really the best and only low tier ground assuming gliscor, ting, lando, lando, tusk, treads, and garchomp went. (In pools of 8 only one person goes without a good ground) Mudsdale is also good and real but has less offensive presence than Rhyperior

lofty wigeon
rancid kestrel
# lofty wigeon First matchup for playoff, Open tera on everything Low tier Nat Dex
  • Your opponent doesn't have a super convincing team to me. Sure, some good 'mons in stuff like Flygon, Melo, and AMuk, but it does feel a bit step down past that. I have my doubts Aero works in SV quite as well as it does in previous generations, Zebstrika even with Tera doesn't strike me as particularly fearsome, 100 ATK just doesn't hit like it used to.
  • They have really good hazard play. Unfortunately, their removal is exclusively defog, meaning any hazard-stacking they wanna do with 'mons like Spidops (lol) or Orthworm is self-defeated by your own hazards - either they have to deal with stuff like Boots, or just don't really interface with the hazard war quite like that. Meanwhile, they don't have a way to block Donphan Rapid Spin, beyond Orthworm stuffing it.
  • I don't think Spidops comes, I don't think Swalot comes (AMuk outclasses it surely?) especially since I do think they bring Zebstrika with something like Tera Ice to counter your resistances to Electric. However, everything else feels like it could legitimately come. I suspect Aero gets left behind, and that Flygon or Melo mostly does its job with a Scarf. I'm not convinced that Decidueye brings enough to the table to justify dropping something else for it, since most everything else seems really usable. Finally, I think they drop Wishiwashi, the Water weaknesses look real tempting but I think it's a trap given that Jellicent exists and the fact that Wishiwashi's just not a good 'mon frankly.
  • For you, quickfire, Talon MAb Comfey Donphan all seem usable here, then the remaining two are probably Rampardos and... Shaymin? You could also reasonably drop Talonflame if youre worried about it not being able to take hits from stuff like Aero/Zeb/Flygon, but I'm not convinced that anything else is like, demonstrably better. But I'm also a Stakataka disrespecter and assuming that Wishi's nowhere near Team Preview, so.
rancid kestrel
# spare relic This is the roster currently

I'm going to be so totally honest, I think Deo's not it for 115+ speed control. Iron Valiant, Cinderace, Azelf, Raikou, Serp, Starmie, these mons are never going to worry about DeoS, so they only ever need to focus on outspeeding Kart's 109. It's fine if that's the approach but you really do need to be aware of that going into it. Even just grabbing something cheap like Maushold later on will help dramatically. I'd also look at grabbing something around 100, since 109-91 is a rough space to leave fully blank.

spare relic
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And maybe look at a cheap 100 speed Mon to wrap it up

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And a cheap ground

lofty wigeon
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I feel like i have a very hard time into Tera Water swalot

rancid kestrel
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I'm not super convinced Swalot comes, if only bc I think AMuk is better and those two kinda are self-contradictory? I also think Zeb wants Tera for your Staka/Donphan so it can spam Electric attacks more for free, no? I think Scarf on Flygon/Melo makes sense, I think a defensive Tauros can probably help into your physical attackers, AMuk IMO over Swalot, but maybe I'm wrong on that?

spare relic
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Surely adding crobat and mega absol can help with said problems, now I just wrap this up with cheap ground+another cheap 100 based speed

rancid kestrel
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That probably works, yeah. Not the most threatening offensive pieces but you don't exactly have the pick of the most powerful, yknow?

crimson mantle
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hi can you let me know what u think

rancid kestrel
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I dunno about no Pech or screens STail personally. I don't understand the Oger and STail Speed EVs - you don't need that many to outspeed Modest Thundy, so what's the intent there? Surely with 2 powerful recovery moves, Arbo can use like Terrain Extender or smth so mons like Scizor and Oger can make use of it?

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I'm also not convinced many things are using contact damage on Tusk that you want to stay in on (Conk maybe is it) so I'm not sure that's a super useful item.

crimson mantle
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do u think this is better

rancid kestrel
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i dont have anything immediately telling me that this team is bad.

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my only like, lil mental grumble is no dnite but idrk how youd fit dnite into it given that arboliva's a mandatory bring anyway

crimson mantle
rancid kestrel
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Yeah, exactly.

crimson mantle
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Mmm lwk I feel like scream tail can maybe be dropped

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For dragonite

rancid kestrel
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That's probably the easiest one, but it does mean that Tusk probably has to take Rocks duty which changes its role slightly on the paste.

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Unless you go rocks-less which is doable but I never personally recommend.

crimson mantle
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I could see multi scale saving me from the iron crown

crimson mantle
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rancid kestrel
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sure, something like this, yeah. not convinced on helm tusk but nothing else really comes to mind beyond like, berries

crimson mantle
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I kept the rocky cus I feel like conk is gonna be a paint to deal with

rancid kestrel
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i dunno that i bring conk into dnite pech personally

crimson mantle
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Hmm true

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I can maybe go a berry that helps with crown

lofty wigeon
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spare relic
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Final Natdex team. Fixed up the speed tiers, crobat will be interesting.

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cerulean aspen
rancid kestrel
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Eh, Dusclops can provide value as a spinblocker against teams without reliable Defog (tho this is ND) on Klef/Deo hazardstack teams.

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lunar knoll
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Is baxcalibur still good in snow despite basically having the same set every battle? Kyurem got sniped and I'm considering bax, but it just seems worse in draft due to the guesswork you'd have to do with kyurem whereas bax is just ddance dice or boots

rancid kestrel
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it isnt as good as it wouldve been in ou given the lack of knowledge it's coming, but if you already have snow setup then it cant be so bad to not be worth considering. but i wouldnt like, actively choose snow specifically to set up baxcalibur personally

lunar knoll
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hence to make use of the 4 turns of snow

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perhaps bax could be a menace

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it lowkey just a worse kyurem

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i guess ddance kyurem would struggle with steels but even then

rancid kestrel
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If you already have Chilly then I'd consider Bax, yeah.

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It's not mandatory or even a messiah, but it's a pain to worry about in the builder for opponents and it has probably more set flexibility than I think the average person who hasn't drafted/played against it would expect.

lunar knoll
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i do agree with the former, but the latter seems a bit ambitious?

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from what i can think of, dd dice, dd boots and band are all i can rly think of

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oh yeah and ig SD scale shot is pre strong

rancid kestrel
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scarf isn't entirely ignorable either

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lunar knoll
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how's it looking now? final changes

rancid kestrel
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definitely a usable team, nothing immediately sticks out as like "hey problem!" to me but i havent put it into a doc to check either

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crimson mantle
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The second team is mine

cerulean aspen
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big problem, they have a spectrier.
you do have 2 darks which is 👍 but both can be 1v1'd by spectrier (wisp draining kiss calm mind shadow ball)
I would bring AV Tera Fairy Hydrapple as your Urshifu check, otherwise it's just Okidogi; fairy isn't a bad type inot this team anyways (outside fez?)

spare relic
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Second seasonal matchup lol, need to bounce back after throwing Week 1

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Team looks annoying ngl

rancid kestrel
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  • Shorter ones today, sorry. Like S&S mentioned, they have a Spectrier. The problem in their team is that they kinda only have two really threatening 'mons in Spec and Shifu, but it's not like you have a ton more in Darkrai/OGerH/Apple.
  • They have good speed and setting, but their removal is super weak and relies on 'mons that aren't super fun to bring. You can't spinblock, so like, Hitmontop or Forry can come, but I suspect it's going to be mostly dead weight here, hazards aside. OTOH, they have plenty of space to bring it.
  • Spec/Lati/Fez/Shifu/Forry +1 is my guess for them. I could see it be Thundy, Pert's another decent option, it's possible they also bring Hitmontop IG. I'd make Lati Scarf w/ Trick/HW, can probably make Shifu band since your team's pretty slow and if you predict wrong you lose your defensive response to it. Spec can prob do Sub CM here, I haven't run calcs but I think that probably wins against TFairy Apple over a long enough period of time?
  • Darkrai Oger Apple Grimm(screens) Oki and then... Toed? You can't not have removal into their team, but I think an Oger behind Screens can mostly just throw out any standard matchup theory out the window after an SD+Trailblaze. Check Dogi calcs against Shifu, if they're bad then idk make them good tbh.
rancid kestrel
# spare relic Second seasonal matchup lol, need to bounce back after throwing Week 1
  • You're right, that team does look annoying. However, it also is limited to only six of those 'mons. So like, they only get so much annoying 'mons, bc it's not like they can realistically leave Keld Meow behind, yknow? And like, that's the majority of their damage output on two 'mons, though you don't exactly have surefire counters to either.
  • If I had to guess, Metagross doesn't come - I don't like it a tun on Lando and Hoopa-U here. The second 'mon I probably leave behind is a much harder decision, but if I had to guess, it's Gliscor. I see an anti-Cyc Carbink showing up, and it can handle hazard setting. Mandi does well into Lando and it can carry Helm for Meow TAxel, Maus comes for removal and demanding your own Lando carries Helm, so it's not like Lando's a major threat w.r.t. sweeping that Glisc needs to stop, IMO.
  • Meow is prob their speed control, in the sense that if anything shows up with a Scarf it could be Trick Meow to mess up your LandoT or whatever. Keld is endlessly customizable, but I like Tera Fairy Sub CM Water Move TB? It kinda destroys everything pre-Tera you can do, if Glowking isn't around.
  • For you, I don't see the value Morgrem brings here personally unless you angle your sets on like Bolt or Lando to be setup-focused, which I don't think is the angle. From there, NGL, I might leave Bolt behind, I think I make Copperajah the Helm and I like it into Pech in theory but I haven't checked SBall calcs. But its up to you, I think Bolt does poorly into their team assuming the Keld set is right and not assuming Gliscor's coming. But maybe that's an overcook.
spare relic
# rancid kestrel - You're right, that team does look annoying. However, it also is limited to onl...

Hi afairy,

I recon since I have an electric attacker in raging bolt I assume Gliscor is. a mandatory bring otherwise raging bolt just spams thunderbolt for free.

Gliscor is also kinda fast for my team. 95 speed is enough to easily creep both Tera captains bolt and hoopa here. Can see Sd facade eq being a problem for my team.

This opponents build looks like they want to bring Hstack most of the time, although they don’t have any rapid spin. I can see where Maushold comes since I have 0 ghost types but considering he already has Mandi for removal I don’t see Mausholds value as removal as high, although it’s probably still threatening with population bomb.

Metagross hmm, I can see a world where it’s benched ngl. It’s kinda bad into meow bolt Lando hoopa etc, but then again it’s also a steel and it’s still metagross it can probably tech for its mu. Although I can see a world where Carbink probably comes in over metagross as a hazard setter and just bench meta & Maushold

weary ibex
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I know doubles isnt very popular but I do need some suggestions against this team. I have managed to reach the semifinals but I need to solve this team and I am having alot of difficulties with this. Atm this is kinda what I ahve since I am really scared of Volbeat Primirina. Reg I

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cerulean aspen
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bring garchomp

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tera steel is very nice here

supple thistle
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supple thistle
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At this moment ik only create some team for ubers

rancid kestrel
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Hi there, @supple thistle - are you in the right place? This is the RMT for Draft, a selection-based format where you have 8-12 Pokemon you draft and then you face other players with their own teams, which you build against them specifically week-to-week.

supple thistle
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Sorry ;^;

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Im really new on these things ;^;

rancid kestrel
supple thistle
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Sorry ;^;

rancid kestrel
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No worries!

pale girder
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Im the iron valiant team and im terrified. whats the strat (natdex draft, tera allowed)

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lofty sparrow
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is this completely free tera for everyone

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@pale girder

pale girder
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yea no captains ir anything

lofty sparrow
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i cannot lie i have no idea what kind of draft lets both of you get away with this much bullshit 😭

pale girder
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the draft mad by someone who has no idea what theyre doing (me)

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lofty wigeon
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KHYrJ8sBTSIhddQpZUkhucd9vFGbAUOu0_m3Q-7k3lg/edit?usp=drivesdk

Doing an Ubers draft for the first time, this board seems really intimidating to me. Lots of busted tera capts that i feel might just be better than taking an uber ? ( Gouging Fire, Regileki, Torn T , Darkrai and Sneasler.)

I'm comfortable with regen balance teams so i'm leaning on going Ho oh R1 and maybe getting Fluttermane on the wheel ?

I'm pick 5

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rancid kestrel
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Ho-Oh Flutter seems like a good start, yeah. Eleki isn't real in 8mon it's for sure not real in 10-12 where you have more options to have low point tech mons. Torn-T's alright but not for 23 points - for context that's cheaper than Dragapult...

lofty wigeon
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Would you pick Ho oh or Mane first ?

rancid kestrel
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HoOh

lofty wigeon
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I could see mane being taken before me just due to the amount of uber dragons

rancid kestrel
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Feels like it's easier to pivot out of Mane than it is out of Ho-Oh to me

lofty wigeon
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If Ho oh is taken before me would mane be a fine first pick or is something like Reshiram

rancid kestrel
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idk that i ever pick fmane first in a pool like this, i also prob dont ever pick reshi so ymmv. idt there's a wrong pick but i think there are some picks that dont make sense (none of the 30s make sense to me for example except maybe caly-i).

weary ibex
lofty wigeon
# weary ibex You think this looks better?

you're falling into the 252 trap while making your team, There is a document in the pinned messages that you input all the mons and it lets you see a full break down of speed tiers and stuff

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lofty sparrow
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e.g. something like mega scizor who can really dig into its movepool and run either defensive pivot offensive pivot offensive setup etc

rancid kestrel
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Nothing really sticks out to me as majorly underpriced here, though non-Tera Tornadus for 17pt is a scam for sure. Pick 1 generally speaking should be something you're super motivated to play with. You can't really go wrong with whatever, though some picks are going to be harder to build a proper ND 8mon team around (such as offense-only 'mons like Bundle or MMedi).
100 points is 10 more than is typical for 8mon draft, so there's something to be said about most teams being a bit stronger than average for 8mon ND. If I'm drafting, that probably means I stray away from 'mons who are primarily offensive powerhouses first and foremost (like Bundle and MMedi as mentioned) and probably enjoy a mon with more flexibility than average - Chomp, Tusk, MSciz, that kinda stuff.

spare relic
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Week 3 of seasonal, got rnged so now I’m 0-2

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lofty wigeon
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Here comes the sun team jesus

spare relic
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The sun of doom 😭😭😭

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rancid kestrel
# spare relic Week 3 of seasonal, got rnged so now I’m 0-2
  • Can't say I like their team much. Too many second string sun abusers (SWing, HLill), too many 'mons not really contributing to sun (Baxc, Corv sorta), and not a ton of good flexibility in what they'll bring. Garbage setting, too. Like, they want to bring all 8 mons, but they have to leave two 'mons behind.
  • If I had to guess, they leave behind SWing (bad MU outside of Meow) and... Cress? I dunno how they do the Eject Pack pivot without Cress, but IDK what else you can leave behind. Baxc is real good here into so much of your team, Chi-Yu and Wake are their primary abusers, HLill is their only real speed control, maybe you leave behind Corv? But then what is your reply to Meow, esp after Protean if your reply is SWing fsr?
  • I actually like screens here. Sun more so than most structures really relies on the damage juicing, which is why you don't see stuff like Wake or Chi-Yu putting in real effort outside of sun drafts. Getting screens up can really stymie that, cutting damage significantly. I bring Morgrem ngl.
  • Copperajah is obviously a no-bring here, at most it has a decent MU against Baxc but otherwise it's terrified of things. Second 'mon I leave behind is probably Cyc? It seems rough into Wake/Lilli/Baxc/SWing/Corv, and it's honestly not like you need removal since they are solo Torkoal SR anyway. Glowking is nice for Chilly Reception, Lando Intim will help (but is another viable leave if you want like, idk, Band DEdge surprises out of sun), Hoopa makes sure Cress can't be some demon set while also helping with things as a reasonable Scarfer here (or AVest if the Wake/ChiYu calcs work)... Meow's prob still worth bringing all things considered.
rancid kestrel
# lofty wigeon So won this match up last week and now we are paired up in the playoffs https:/...
  • Those are prob the sets you're happiest to just keep over, TBH, I'd be thrilled to be able to reuse that Pult and Meow for sure.
  • I kinda think a utility kinda set works well for IV, esp if they go the angle they did again where stuff like Celebi Celesteela and Garg show up. I'm not convinced that's the right angle for them, tbh, but I guess stuff like AWak and Ambipom aren't really legoit brings anyway.
  • Dunno what your Spec answer is besides Pult. Based on the paste, looks like it was Lycanroc, fair their setting isn't great. I don't super like this Scizor set I think, not sure what CC is hitting here tbh. Wake? Feels like you can fit Defog in, non-zero chance hazardstack Shocks comes since that seems like an easy structure change for them to maybe do better, and you didn't bring Lando last time/Comfey doesn't have room for Defog.
  • Yeah if I'm them I drop Garg bring Shocks and call it a day. Maybe drop Celebi for AWak but that's probably an overcook.
  • For you, I maybe drop Lycan for Lando, esp if you don't adjust the Scizor to have Defog. Though that's prob worse than adjusting the Scizor, and you can always bring Keld or smth IDK. Lando doesn't look great into them.
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rancid kestrel
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yeah its less "oh bolt can get 3 CMs off" and more "wow all of the sudden chi-yu isnt doing nearly as much damage as it wishes it was doing and it doesnt have the bulk to cope with getting hit"

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Ic

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rancid kestrel
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chloro hlilli

spare relic
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Ig that too

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But outside of sun their team is really slow

rancid kestrel
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thats the nature of sun, yeah

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formal hill
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TOTAL: 97

  1. great tusk - 19 (backup: iron treads - 16)
  2. Cinderace - 14
  3. Mega Charizard Y - 13 (backup: torkoal - 11)
  4. chi-yu - 15 (backup: gouging fire - 17)
  5. ogerpon wellspring - 15 (backup: raging bolt - 14)
  6. roaring moon - 16 (backup: zapdos - 16)
  7. ditto - 3 (backup: orthworm)
  8. orthworm - 2 (take clodsire if points available)
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formal hill
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movesets and items can be decided later so im just looking for some versatility

rancid kestrel
# formal hill TOTAL: 97 1. great tusk - 19 (backup: iron treads - 16) 2. Cinderace - 14 3. Me...

This is way more in advance than I'd ever recommend. You are unlikely to have such pick success with this kind of advanced preparation, especially since a number of your 'mons are just solid picks generally speaking, lie Oger, Ace, and Tusk/Treads. Sure, a number of them are also sun-locked and so are unlikely to go to someone else, but prepping an entire draft before even the first pick is likely to end in disaster, generally speaking.

With that said, "im just looking for some versatility" - with all due respect, you are building a sun team, there is no versatility that can exist inherently to the structure. Sure you can replace one sweeper for another, but you are going into a very narrowly defined space that doesn't allow for versatility.

Lastly, I'd strongly encourage you to not have CharY as your only sun setter. It can't hold the Heat Rock or any other useful item, it takes 50% from SR every switch in meaning it needs to take a turn to Roost basically every time it comes in, it needs to spend a turn on the field to activate sun the first time, and like, it's powerful, but it really will struggle as the only sun setter. You really should consider trying to pick up Torkoal or even Ninetales, otherwise you're going to often find Sun unable to get put up and entirely too quickly gone by the time it leaves.

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rancid kestrel
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really do not think 23 point tera torn is worth considering. zap's prob overpriced, but the other options you've listed are reasonable. if im in your shoes i prob take lu terap

lofty wigeon
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if i went that route

rancid kestrel
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idt you get it so early if you do go that route

lofty wigeon
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Gotcha another defensive piece around is gliscor but i assume either Lu or that will be taken by the time it's my next picks

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mandibuzz is also only 10 points

rancid kestrel
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lu's very good if it's up when you're picking take it if not then pivot elsewhere yeah

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late hollow
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is this only for competitions?

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late hollow
formal hill
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Well this is my team rn

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Total: 98
cinderace 14, torkoal 11, gouging fire 17, mega gallade 19 , meowscarada 18, cyclizar 8, bronzong 9, orthworm 2

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I have the option to trade with others so I was thinking of trading off meowscarada maybe?

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Since rn I think my teams way too offensive

rancid kestrel
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I still think that preparing for so many picks so early is a bit of a fool's errand. I agree that your team's mostly too offense-orientated, though, but also, it's sun, that's going to happen.

formal hill
rancid kestrel
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I would recommend making decisions pick-by-pick based on what you do manage to get and what goes elsewhere. That way, you don't have a whole detailed plan that goes awry because someone grabbed MGallade or Meowscarada or what have you.

formal hill
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I already did the draft 😓

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That’s my team as of now

rancid kestrel
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Oh, yes, I am misunderstanding, then.

  • Haing nothing between MGall at 110 speed and 91 Gouging Fire is not great as that's a wide range of 'mons that don't have to run speed. But then again Goug is usually Speed Booster or defensive sets anyway, so it kinda just means you have nothing below 110 for speed pressure.
  • I like your hazards a lot. Very rarely do sun teams manage to get hazards as good as yours, but it helps that your team isn't hard committed to sun either, you absolutely can leave Torkoal + Goug behind and go sunless.
  • Don't really get why you've got both Bronzong and Orthworm. Sure, you benefit from the ground immunities, but it seems to me that there could've been space for something else?
formal hill
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ig ill try to trade that off for something

formal hill
rancid kestrel
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Can't know without knowing what's available, the board you linked earlier seems t not have any update for what's been taken.

formal hill
rancid kestrel
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Lando-T's never not good. Garchomp can do a lot and has a good speed tier.

formal hill
rancid kestrel
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This is what I meant by "Can't know without knowing what's available"....

formal hill
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want me to dm it to u so im not flooding here?

rancid kestrel
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Do y'all not have a doc...?

formal hill
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nope

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long ahh discord msg

rancid kestrel
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.-.

formal hill
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okok ill make a doc

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its fine

rancid kestrel
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Vaguely bulky things slightly cheaper than meow that aren't offensive dead weight: Mew, Terap, Ting-Lu, Dragonite, Latios, Fini
If you go down in points it might let you drop Orthworm for something a bit more expensive of value

formal hill
# rancid kestrel Vaguely bulky things slightly cheaper than meow that aren't offensive dead weigh...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/164yC9SlDbX1AYauKn3vB5RTV-8JDiT3x7mlMn0hXVGY/edit?usp=sharing

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formal hill
rancid kestrel
formal hill
rancid kestrel
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For what, though?

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Need to know what opponent this is facing for me to be able to give a rate.

lofty wigeon
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I have no idea what to do now i took Tera Ogerpon W last pick is gliscor just the move now ?

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I still dont have real removal

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is excadrill something i should take probably

rancid kestrel
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Isn't Gliscor taken?

lofty wigeon
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no

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it's one of the last of those picks i said where around

rancid kestrel
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I'm seeing it on Cro0kid's roster, hence the confusion

lofty wigeon
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it must've been just drafted then

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jesus

rancid kestrel
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Could still get Exca, yeah.

lofty wigeon
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Yeah it was taken last

lofty wigeon
rancid kestrel
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It's definitely not a bad pick, yeah, but you prob will need to look into a ground immunity and some defensive 'mons pretty urgently afterwards.

lofty wigeon
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one of the lati twins might be worth then

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gives me a back up defogger too

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i just feel like dragon type is kinda bad in ubers if you aren't 1 shorting things

rancid kestrel
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Agreed. I don't think the Lati twins heres qualify as defensive 'mons

lofty wigeon
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clefable is available

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if it comes around that gives me a fairy type

rancid kestrel
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I think it's less good than it could be given power creep but it's 16p NDUbers so you probably aren't getting a ton better, yeah.

lofty wigeon
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Mandibuzz is also available as a ground immune

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Noivern is probably fast enough to ohko stuff with specs but that's iffy

rancid kestrel
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Noivern also definitely isn't defensive and isn't worth its space as a dragon, probably

lofty wigeon
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I think i'll go Exca hopefully and hope for a mandibuzz or Clefable wheel is the play

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R heat is also around as a ground immune

formal hill
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lofty wigeon
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Every week you'll play something different so for example going 252 on all your speed usually isn't worth it since you can "speed creep" making you speed stat just one more than the greatest number of speed they can have is important in draft. You can put extra EVs into defenses or attacks

formal hill
lofty wigeon
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or skarmory

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Volt absorb is kinda good for me i think

lofty wigeon
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I took tera Cressila i think zap wheels

rancid kestrel
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Sure, makes sense

lunar needle
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How are we feeling about this low tier draft?

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lunar needle
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Grace is starting soon so if (or when) I have to make adjustments, I'll be able to do them all right away

lofty wigeon
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you probably need some removal

lunar needle
lofty wigeon
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do you really want bring that every week tho ? How low is this low tier ?

lunar needle
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Wait

lunar needle
lofty sparrow
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and running boots probably means you dont have enough bulk

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golbat as ur poison is kinda asking to get murdered by tspikes tbh

rancid kestrel
# lunar needle How are we feeling about this low tier draft?
  • Your speed tiers are alright, could be better but not bad. Though I do wonder how often your 90s are even coming, if someone was a bit aggressive in speed creeping then they'd probably just ignore those two and then they have a lot of EVs to save from like, anything not bothering to try to outspeed Ada Haxorus.
  • You have limited removal, Defog on Florges is basically your only removal given how rarely Golbat's going to be coming to games. You have a fairly defensive team so it's not like Florges is expecting to be solo defensive backbone while also being relied on for removal but I do wonder if it might become difficult to reliably get hazards off.
  • I worry about your lack of Dark resists, especially since realistically you're going to want to have the majority of Sinis/Delph/Azelf on every team. I also worry somewhat about your Ground weaknesses - I'm not convinced that the immunities matter a ton and Sinistcha can't reliably handle every single ground spammer.
  • I think that you have a team I wouldn't immediately change anything on, but if you are looking at changing things, I wonder if you need both Azelf and Delphox+Raikou. My gut instinct is that Azelf is the more expendable of the two (you can't go from 115 to 97 speed stuff), but doubling up at 115 and doubling up on Psychic I wonder if it's super a good idea.
lofty wigeon
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This is what the team is looking like in ubers draft
I think my next picks could be Tinkaton,Muk Alola or Registeel

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lofty wigeon
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i think i've handle my pivots off being sniped pretty well this far

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lunar needle
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I think it gets rocks too

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I like Delphox here but I think if I should replace anything, it should be that for a similar fire type

rancid kestrel
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The concern with replacing Delphox is that it's really at the perfect speed tier to tie Raikou/Azelf's 115 and Haxorus' 97 together. Dropping it leaves you without replacing the speed tier leaves you in a really bad place speed wse

lofty wigeon
rancid kestrel
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Ceruledge doesn't do great as a spinblocker but it has offensive pressure

lunar needle
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It's a rapid spinner and it's a dark resist

rancid kestrel
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Probably, yeah.

lunar needle
rancid kestrel
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I wouldn’t consider it personally

lunar needle
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And I replace vigroth as well?

rancid kestrel
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-Azelf -Vigoroth +dudunsparce +?

lunar needle
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No but then I need a fire type

rancid kestrel
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How is Azelf and vig combined worth the points of dudunsparce what

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Dudunsparce isn’t even the best mon in its evolutionary line

lunar needle
lunar needle
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This looks to be a bit better, but I don't like the added weakness to fire

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formal haven
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I mean you do have3 resists and 3 weaknesses one of which is cutiefly

lunar needle
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Actually 4

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but yeah one of which is cutifly

formal haven
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Don't forget that Sini has heatproof

lunar needle
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OHHHH

formal haven
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And as such isn't a fire weak mon except for mold breakers

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Which are rare and won't have great fire moves to hit it

lunar needle
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but yeah that's true

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What about everything else

formal haven
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Ah if you use ZA legends then there are 2 in Emboar mega and Heatpon

lunar needle
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lol

formal haven
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Then there aren't any worries haha

lunar needle
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I'm still worried about tsareena

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It has some akward stats

formal haven
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Yeah I think you are wasting some points in having a lot of decent 9-10 pointers instead of another big power piece. The way I see it you are almost always bringing your top 4 and then have 5 mons you rotate for only 2 slots

lunar needle
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Thing is there is not much else

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and again, it's low tier

formal haven
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Brambleghast?

lunar needle
formal haven
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I consider it to be a better Tsareena most of the time because its secondary typing

lunar needle
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but yeah it's taken

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Do you mind if I send the doc

formal haven
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And you could consider doubling up on waters with Tenta

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No by all means

lunar needle
formal haven
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I assume Silvally give you access to all types?

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Oh and I see you ahve gracce

lunar needle
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yes

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So I need to make all of my changes now

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at 3 in the morning

formal haven
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I don't have Silvally here tbh, fixes a lot of the issues oyu have on the type chart, gets you another defogger and a strong pivot for Haxorus and Raikou

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You even have good wish pass in Florges to off-set its recovery issues

lunar needle
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you do need to declare 3 types during grace

formal haven
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Ah then nah

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Then its giga turbo overppriced

formal haven
lunar needle
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ah ok

formal haven
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Hisuain Qwilfish is kinda undervalued if you ask me

lunar needle
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I swear it got removal

formal haven
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Idk why Vally is 18 points with only 3 types

lunar needle
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It's CMM

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they don't know how to tier things properly

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I love HQwill

formal haven
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I'm looking at stuff that would be upgrades, I like Arcanine as fire mon, especcially to shore up your dark weakness.

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The only issue then is the speed gap you have between Raikouu and next which sucks

lunar needle
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It doesn't entirely fix the problem but it works

formal haven
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Nah nah

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Look Cutifly is a mascot

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You are never bringing that shit unless you play a no removal team and even then you owon';t

lunar needle
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Well

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Arcanine instead of delphox?

formal haven
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Nah I don't think its worth it

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Man it sucks you have basiccally no good spinners extra

lunar needle
formal haven
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Hmm actually you could go Arcanine over Delphox

lunar needle
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roselia would've gotten mortal spin if this was ZA

formal haven
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Its really only Scoliopede and Swoobat that can make use of the damage boosting naturee

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Because Haxorus covers until 111

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And it also gives you another good physical attacker with Curse Espeed

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I would do that, - Delphox and Drapion for Hqwil and Arcanine

lunar needle
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Wtf

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Swoobat gets simple?

lunar needle
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I just realized

formal haven
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Yeah but the gap in speed between Raikou and Delphox/Arcanine isn't that noticable other than being slower than base 100s

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But considering how slow your team already is, I value Arcanine more with intimidate and good recovery

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Plus extreme speed curse would be a scary set

lunar needle
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Definitely not using curse but sure

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Unless there's a faster mon

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I think that's what I value more

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But in this case I don't have any other options

lunar needle
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It's a 2 pointer and fast

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can slow down the faster mons

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and is one of the fastest mons in the draft

formal haven
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Its better than cutifly for sure

lunar needle
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gotcha

lunar needle
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Note I haven't used tsareena ever

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Just my first impressions

formal haven
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I think its fine, helps with spinning, decent attacker, you won't have to bring it every match

lunar needle
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ok

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so like this

lunar needle
formal haven
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Just that you are slow as draft

lunar needle
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I'm gonna need a lot of scarfs

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But thanks for attempting to salvage the team

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Hopefully someone drops something useful

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rancid kestrel
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At a quick glance, I don't really see anything in the financial region of either 'mon that I'd be super motivated to pick up. You prob could do soemthing like Zapdos -> Raging Bolt or Shifu -> Mew or something, but I don't see those as improvements personally.

lofty wigeon
lofty wigeon
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Just took my last pick for my Ubers draft anything i should be looking to do during grace ?

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lofty wigeon
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i'm definitely not in love with Ogerpon tera

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Swapping it to Tera Blaziken or Mew or Kyurem (have to drop tera on cressila for this one)

lofty wigeon
rancid kestrel
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Tera Mew can at least hit on the SpA side to help balance against Pao/Exca?

lofty wigeon
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if i drop cress's tera

rancid kestrel
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Oh that's a good point

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Tera Exca could maybe be worth, it probably can do pretty good with the coverage boost? Though teraless Cress probably isn't all that and a bag of chips.

lofty wigeon
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I also have the Ttar for exca

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but hippo might just be better for the ground type and defensive stats

rancid kestrel
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Would be vaguely concerned with speed tiers there, you'd prob have to rely on Zapdos for speed more than it really wants

lofty wigeon
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ahh that's true

rancid kestrel
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Though you would have Mew, I suppose

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I like Mew Cress Exca

lofty wigeon
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I gotta wait for grace but i think it should all work out

rancid kestrel
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Makes sense to me

lofty wigeon
rancid kestrel
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I’d probably do mew exca I think

lofty wigeon
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I'm leaning drill i have the best offensive dark type in Pao and the darkrai player has it tera cpt so i don't think a defensive tera is relevant against it

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Chi Yu was left u drafted as well

lunar needle
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Rate the team

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lunar needle
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I don't have much else to say, the teams are pretty straightfoward

lofty wigeon
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You lose to Trick room pretty bad

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I would except their set to be TR Body Press Iron defense and Heat crash

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I could even see them forgo Iron Defense for EQ

lunar needle
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I completely forgot about trick room

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Should I run protect on sinescha to stall trick room a bit

lofty wigeon
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Does arcanine get taunt ?

lunar needle
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I think it doesn't

lunar needle
lunar needle
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I'm surprised

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I thought it would at least 2 shot

rancid kestrel
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set steelix ivs speed 0 yeah. idk abt agility arc into this team.

lofty wigeon
lunar needle
lofty wigeon
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Is this low tier ? Is Sheer force banned on nidoking?

lunar needle
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Because heat crash is based off weight and sinescha is very light

lunar needle
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but I actually don't know if it's banned

lofty wigeon
lofty wigeon
lunar needle
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I don't think it is

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But it's CMM so I'm not surprised

lofty wigeon
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can you send your doc ?

lunar needle
lofty wigeon
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weird

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drought and drizzle are but HP isn't banned

lunar needle
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That's what I'm saying

lunar needle
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They might not expect it as it's easier to just switch

lofty wigeon
lunar needle
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Also steelix gets taunt

lofty wigeon
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it has to be on something they switch staka into

lunar needle
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Probrably not

lofty wigeon
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i've never used it idk its stats off the top

lunar needle
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Not too tanky, except in my case where I have him scarfed

lofty wigeon
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@rancid kestrel about to do a league that is mostly friends that don't know how to balance. Is Tera miridon worth 65 points to draft ?

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we have 110

rancid kestrel
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is this keyed to ndubers or is this mostly standard sv

lofty wigeon
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Nat dex ubers

rancid kestrel
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probably

lofty wigeon
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Or anything goes really there's some crazy stuff

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mega gengar, mega sal mega mewtwo

rancid kestrel
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idt you can reasonably get 5 ndubers-ready mons w/ 50 points or so

rancid kestrel
lofty wigeon
rancid kestrel
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restricted access

lofty wigeon
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try npw

rancid kestrel
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sorry, arceus without a form restriction is 22 points...?

lofty wigeon
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its in rules

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it acts as a tera and gets 3 plates

rancid kestrel
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this whole board feels bad ngl

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a ndubers board that caps out at 22 is not a usable board

lofty wigeon
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yeah its kinda the wild west but its pretty fun

rancid kestrel
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to each their own i guess

lofty wigeon
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one of the rules is that if you take 2 20 pointers one has to be a tera capt

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so two ubers is 80 points out of 110

rancid kestrel
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19 points for xern even w/o geo... that mon is 29 of 30 points in standard ndubers.

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meanwhile lugia's 21 points on both boards despite an 8 point difference cap

lofty wigeon
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tera xern is a vibe for sure

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its 24 person draft too all off the same board

rancid kestrel
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im trying to think what combo of 20+ mons is worth 85 if one of them gets tera

rancid kestrel
lofty wigeon
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we may spilt into two 12 mans but we havent decided yet

rancid kestrel
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im gonna be honest some things come up here and i have to outright dismiss them for like, "oh this isnt worth it to actually provide rates on", and this pushes real close to that.

lofty wigeon
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thats very fair

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i think mirdion tera with mega gengar is kinda disgusting

rancid kestrel
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the board is not competitive, the rules are illogical, 24p is beyond anything reasonable,

lofty wigeon
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Im sorry for the offensive board I wont bring the abomanation up again.

rancid kestrel
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no its fine

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im not kicking you out or anything but

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drafting help is going to be much more suspect than building help for this league

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since for drafting not only is it ndubers, but it's not even traditional ndubers yknow?

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at least w/ building i can look at lineups and go okay, but for drafting help y'all are a bit wild west like you said

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so idk if there's anything of value i or others can bring for like, rating

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my gut instinct esp in 24p or even 12p is that getting 2 20+ point mons seems a bit ridiculous to expect. getting 1 fine, there's a lot there that is supremely underpriced due to the point cap

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like. zac-c, koraidon, miraidon - all banned in an nduber where they could have been worth 30 points

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here, they're 22.

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mgar, also banned, here it's 21.

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shaymin-sky 16/30, here it's 20/22, solg 23/30 here 20/22, rmoon 12/30 here 19/22 - mons worth avoiding

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@lofty wigeon does that make sense

lofty wigeon
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Yeah makes senses, and I was just joking about the offensive board always appreciate any help you give me 🫡

spare relic
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Round 4 of seasonal. A round of gigathreats on my opponents team

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Ngl hazard setting kinda sus here is he really going to resort to rocks gambit and spikes chesnaught

lofty sparrow
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where ground type

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just spam volt switch with bolt gg

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idt spikes chesnaught is bad for them tbh ur removal (cyc) doesnt like switching in on it and they do have spinblockers only a bit frail

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there is also a world where their tera something (ground? with full spdef? idk) idbp chesnaught wins if you're not careful? be aware of that

spare relic
rancid kestrel
# spare relic Round 4 of seasonal. A round of gigathreats on my opponents team

sorry for a short one, health issues

  • Their team is a bunch of cheese. Horoark, Sneasler, non-rain Bascu, tera Gambit... HoopaU and Meow are decently anti-cheese 'mons, but it won't be easy for sure.
  • Agreed on no volt switch switchin, though Chesnaut can for sure take the hits wctw. On the other hand I'm not sure what you can use to break through a defensive Gouging Fire if Hoopa-U is dead, so beware that.
  • If I'm them, I leave behind Bascu (seems bad into Meow Hoopa Bolt and I'm ) and... Rilla? Sneasler doesnt have to be Unburden, they will appreciate being able to remove SR without risking Unburden proccing, and Rilla seems rough into a lot that you can bring.
  • For you, I see not bringing Cyc, but bringing two of Glowking/Morgrem/Copperajah is rough. I maybe leave behind Copper, if only because other than like Rilla and some IV it seems like it isn't conna be switching into a ton really.
spare relic
# rancid kestrel sorry for a short one, health issues - Their team is a bunch of cheese. Horoark...

It’s fine afairy, thanks for taking time out of your day to make an analysis even if you’re not feeling well. Your advice is always appreciated.

Hope you recover. 🙏

But yea basically what you said is aligned with my thinking.
Morgrem definitely has some uses here with Twave screens etc disrupting non lum berry Sneasler.

Copperajah was my bench pick originally but what if rilla comes? Copper is like my best check.

Cyclizar seems unappealing to bring ngl. Thing loses to most mons here like valiant chesnaught etc. although I can see a more offensive se potentially putting in work but still have my doubts

Top 4 obviously good into this, especially bolt I like it here with Tera.

rancid kestrel
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glowking's a decent rilla answer barring hhp ig. but yeah if it does show up its worrying. tho surely if it does, then naught isnt

lunar needle
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lunar needle
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Shitty speed tiers

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lofty sparrow
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eleki is allowed? surely that has to be wrong right

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i guess its easier to prep for vs on a ladder

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im not sure what storm drain is trying to accomplish here if you wanna beat inteleon desolate land is surely better

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the ogerpon aspects also dont work on non ogerpon pokemon so you should fix that

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which other abilities are banned? i feel like theres some potentially really good picks for you if something like poison heal or regenerator is legal

lunar needle
lofty sparrow
lunar needle
lofty sparrow
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something like specs tinted lens gengar goes crazy here bar av muk (although av muk IS very annoying considering it pursuits you)

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unfortunately the rest of ur team isnt too equipped to lure it in any capacity

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...explosion azelf??? i guess???

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252 Atk Azelf Explosion vs. 248 HP / 12 Def Muk-Alola: 330-389 (79.9 - 94.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk [Any -ate ability] Explosion vs. 248 HP / 12 Def Muk-Alola: 396-467 (95.8 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

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hadron engine guy + belly drum surge surfer iron hands can be fun

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otoh their sinistcha is highly annoying if it starts setting up and you dont have a very solid switchin to something like band zapdos-g or even just ursaluna

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your best bet is some weird guy like fluffy/intimidate milotic?

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and some wack dudunsparce set vs sinistcha

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so my thoughts are like. iron treads of some kind (fire immunity? levitate? regenvest?) definitely comes here, milotic and dudunsparce next to check their wallbreakers/setup, desoland moltres for inteleon and general wallbreaking, and last 2 slots are 2 of hands gengar and azelf. if you dont want to lean into the specs tinted gengar with explosion azelf lure suggestion i probably wouldnt run azelf given how hard it bricks into amuk (and gengar already bricks into it)

lunar needle
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Primordial sea Moltres

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Guaranteed hurricane, weather ball, roost, u turn

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Because most of the team might just run flash fire or something like that

lofty wigeon
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First time playing a sun team.

I think the biggest obstacle to address is Scarf lele but if i kill that i'm not seeing how they can win

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for some reason it doesn't show my Mega Char Y

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# lofty wigeon First time playing a sun team. I think the biggest obstacle to address is Scarf...

Shorter thoughts, sorry.

  • They kinda gotta be besides themselves trying to figure out how to counter Sun, right? Like yeah Lucha can outspeed it if pivoted right, but that's a one time "okay gz you have the lucha setup and now are thudding into a physdef screamtail and as soon as its done with they go back to 24/7 sun and being impossible to outpace ntil Espa gets to +2 or +3"
  • Don't like their setting/removal much at all. Eleven mons and you have 1.5 usable setters (it's Empoleon) and only one access to Spikes? You have one Defog user (it's Empoleon)? At least your removal has Terap, yknow.
  • If I'm them I bring Lucha, Blace, Espa, Lele, Emp, and Lu. Horo isn't gonna be spinblocking against Terap, MScep is terrified of sun, Dugtrio I don't rate highly and also can't trap CharY anyway.
  • For you, Ninetales/CharY/Terap/STail/Wake... Final slot's pretty flexible IMO, I use Def STail SpD Terap for Lucha+Lele/Espa, so I bring a more offensive back mon like Lilli, but you could do screens Grimm or like a scarf Chomp or smth.
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rancid kestrel
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Your team looks it, yeah.

lofty wigeon
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any comments on the team tho ?

rancid kestrel
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Their team actually kinda doesn't, ngl.

lofty wigeon
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yeah mega chard was only A tier

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i was a sub so i got 4 picks back to back

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lofty wigeon
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No just a general draft over view I mean

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any glaring issues

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tiering for reference

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  • i think 111 top is worryingly slow for nd, but its with the asterisk of sun which makes it harder to say for certain that its a problem.
  • you have a lack of flying resistances which matters for lucha here but just generally, poison ice and dark are also worries me somewhat.
  • you have a lot of 'mons like exeggutor and venusaur who kinda dont actually bring a ton while serving similar purpose to other mons which can make it hard to ever consider bringing, there might be smth else of value in that tier that could maybe be grabbed? idk.
  • idt your removal is strong enough, it probably works for the most part but its kinda just terapagos really.
lofty wigeon
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this is the doc

rancid kestrel
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locked doc

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rancid kestrel
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idk that ill ever really get tier boards. just limits the amt of flexibility, yknow? you cant really tell me that dragapult and slowking galar are equally as desirable...

lofty wigeon
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yeah it was a bit bizarre

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like i really wanted victini but how can i ever jusify taking it there ?

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does air balloon block arena trap ?

rancid kestrel
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seems like it

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Prevents opposing Pokemon from choosing to switch out unless they are airborne, are holding a Shed Shell, or are a Ghost type.

lofty wigeon
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interesting

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https://pokepast.es/cff0742ebd7422d2

Thought this game was later but it was today and just want to see if i approached it correctly, I won due to a lucky freeze on his rayquaza after a SD. Any ideas i'm missing about ubers ? Open tera

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# random girder

Quick thoughts because I'm not physcially well.

  • I don't like their team. Too many gimmicks between webs, weather, Mimikyu, a lack of top end threats (Ho-oh and Meow, alright, but where's anything else?)... The problem is that your removal blows, so you're really limited on options to get Webs off especially if they dont just sac Galv early.
  • Their speed tiers are wack. Sure, Exca in Sand blah blah blah, but outside of that are they really just hard-relying on Webs?
  • Weather wars in Draft are really unfun. Good luck. At least your setter's way better than theirs. But keeping weather's up going to be a pain when they have easier ways to get in TTar.
  • Meow / HoOh / DialgaO / TTar / Exca +1. Could be Webs Galv, doubt it kinda. Could be Mimikyu for emergencies, Okidogi's underrated... Empoleon exists, I guess.
  • Talonflame or Glimm (prob Talon) / Wake / Zap / Kyu / Groudon / Blaziken is probably what I build. Just super offensive stuff designed to break down the regen core and out-offense. Grimm can come if you want screens, Venu can come but it seems bad into most of their team, Dug isn't real.
lunar needle
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Hope you get better Fairy, we love your feedback as always

sudden tendon
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im in a draft pick between friends, the first set is my draft, the second being my week 1 opponent.

i am decently new to competitive pokemon, and would like any tips and helps from anyone :) thanks!
The battle is in champions format on showdown, so only the items available for that would be useable, same for ev spread and no changing to ivs!

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Week 5 of seasonal, MeowBoltLando mirror 💔💔💔💔

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Starting grace for vgc, does this look good or should some changes be made

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lunar needle
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Ik it's a bit rough on the weaknesses but I think this could work

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lunar needle
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Are you feeling better btw

rancid kestrel
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Nope, but we live

rancid kestrel
# spare relic Week 5 of seasonal, MeowBoltLando mirror 💔💔💔💔
  • It's honestly not much of a mirror, realistically. Their team seems much slower-paced, given their choice of secondary captain, investment into Rachi/Tenta, presence of Florges and Dusclops. LandoI is a logical pivot from T, given their otherwise lacking firepower.
  • Cyc's gonna struggle to remove against Clops, which should come here. Glowking's gonna have to keep TSpikes off the ground, but you're gonna have to figure out predictions to keep spikes and rocks off. At least Dusc is a lot less threatening once Knocked, and UTurn can pivot into Hoopa/Meow and scare it half to death.
  • I think they leave Jirachi behind - their scarfer should be Lando here, if it isn't then it has to be Jirachi, but everything else is too valuable to bring. The other leave is probably Conk, since Bolt will want Tera and Conk doesn't seem great into most of what you've got. Meanwhile Rachi is scared of Meow, LandoT, Hoopa...
  • If I'm you, I dunno how much screens will help, so I don't think Morgrem comes. You could maybe leave behind Cyc, but I think it brings enough to the table to justify bringing. Copper's probably the one who gets left behind, but there's a world where you leave behind Hoopa since non-Scarf seems terrified of Meow and it prob trades negatively with Florges. Rachi being expected left behind alongside Conk makes Hoopa less good than it usually is, and Bolt needs Tera here.
  • If you leave behind Hoopa, IMO make LandoT scarf, Glowking prob specially defensive, utility Cyc (spin turn knock ?), Copper can set rocks and hazards, Meow Bolt do as they do. GL w/ the speed ties and stuff. Tera Steel or Poison Bolt and just never run into LandoI? I dunno.
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# sudden tendon im in a draft pick between friends, the first set is my draft, the second being ...
  • Why does your opponent have a Politoed...? Why do they have three Megas? 2 for Champions whatever I don't like it especially in b6p6 but I get it, but 3?
  • Your opponent's team seems primarily focused on support. Like, what is their big threat? Boosting MClef? CharY+Arma? Prim in rain? I dunno. I can't say I super like their team. But who knows with Champs doubles, yknow?
  • I like your team more than theirs. Kanga/Chime, Hydrei, Incin, Doublade, final two up to you. Could do Rhyp + Rune for surprise TR, could go Umbreon for more support, could bring Mimikyu for more offense? I dunno. Doubles isn't the focus here unfortunately.
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lunar needle
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Imma be so deadass, I drafted Genesect because he's my favorite

rancid kestrel
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What format are you using?

lunar needle
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Vgc

rancid kestrel
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That doesn't clarify it for me.

lunar needle
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Hold on

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no its male

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lunar needle
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Has electroweb for speed control and is literally the fastest mon

spare relic
# rancid kestrel - It's honestly not much of a mirror, realistically. Their team seems much slowe...

Hi afairy.

Yea I noticed how kinda slow paced their team is. Meow is there only source of natural speed control, although they have decent 100 speed utility mons in rachi & tenta which can make things awkward for Lando-T.

Dusc can technically block spin but like you said it’s pretty prone to knock off so it can be awkward to bring in front of Cyclizar+its U-turn fodder as well.

Tspikes will be annoying fs, but t I do have a lot of mons that can trade into tenta so hopefully that goes well.

I can also see them going spikes meow? I imagine they want scarf for the meow mirrors.

Lando-I is going to be the scariest to switch into. Best u can do is prevent free entry and it’s doable since a lot of mons carry ice coverage like an ice punch or something. Raging bolt similar thing cm sets can get wild especially with screens up. Hate how I have zero encore mons but we can play around thunderclap so it’s fine lol.

I think rachi still has utility here, mind you it still has role compression like rocks, wish, screens etc & it’s still a good scarfer regardless even if Lando is a potential scarfer. I think Lando doesn’t really need scarf since it can come in on a glowking double and still spam buttons and be annoying to switch into with Lo. + rachi can be a backup check for my bolt if their ground dies.

Conk can definitely be benched, but I have no natural ghost so he can probably bring a utility set with defog Mach punch and ice punch to tech for Lando.

Florges is decent, but without Tera it’s less scary imo. It’s also not ideal into glowking so that can possibly be benched.

For me, it’s difficult to decide a raging bolt Tera. Tera ice technically hits their top 3 but loses to jirachi & conkeldurr. Tera poison technically checks meow & florges but loses to Lando-I, Tera bug is a decent midground to most but doesn’t accomplish much offensively.

Glowking is fine I think. Can offset Tspikes and help pivot. Morgrem is soso screens is nice but doesn’t solve much.

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Bolt can be bringable but need to think carefully about the Tera, cyclizar can trade here, so can Lando(even though being slower than tenta and rachi is annoying asf). Copper is nice for meow.

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Hey gang! We had our league draft last night, I think I like my team but I'm still pretty new and am having trouble putting the pieces together in my head of what my gameplan actual should be/will be (obviously this will change week to week) but trying to figure out my Bread n Butter, as it were. Would love any tips+thoughts!!

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Generally though not liking the look of this team, too many overlaps and the team is very slow

near parrot
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So just that doubles format

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rancid kestrel
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You have four Pokemon that are worth bringing and then a bunch of 'mons that kinda aren't. That's not really great, since it means you have not a ton of flexibility in what you do bring to every game. Things like Prim and Armarouge can be of value, but for the most part you're stuck with just four mons that are going to be able to do much of anything, meaning your opponents will be able to prepare for specifically those four and make them significantly less effective.

near parrot
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Yeah I def see that, though I do think that’s at least partially because we have a 12 team league

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Though I’m not totally sure how I’d fix this lol

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near parrot
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Thank you! I’m excited to try to learn how to use Corv. He’s a fave.

near parrot
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Now if you could trade Gliscor and T-tar for Sneasler would you?

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I know Sneasler is better

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But there are a lot of weather teams running around and then I also lose my best mega option

lofty wigeon
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could use some help with this match up

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staka is Fire fighting Tyrantrum is Steel Rock

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# lofty wigeon could use some help with this match up
  • Don't like their speed tiers much at all. Non-Tera TornT, an unthreatening Tauros, and a Tenta that can't run full speed. Pult's good, obviously, but I dunno how it'll break through Grimm/Terap, and potentially stuff like Venu. I don't understand what the intent of this team was, it kinda looks like a "webs + breakers" team that forgot the webs.
  • How do they have no Spikes in ND? Their rockers aren't even all that great. Removal's alright, I guess, but man that's a weird hazards war situation for them. You'd think 'mons like Arma Tyrantrum Sylv and Krook would want hazards for securing KOes.
  • I dunno. This team just doesn't scream to me as well put together. Just a grab bag of decent 'mons attached to a Dragapult and hope they have enough tools to counter whatever they're going to face.
  • That said, they're facing sun. Pult's obvious, I'd honestly consider dropping TornT potentially since it seems rough to run in sun (what are you clicking, air slash?), Tenta probably has to come, Krook can scarf, Aggron can probably trade w/ a sweeper which is what they'd need.
  • From there, I kinda dunno. Sylveon for your dragons? Armarouge to use the sun? R-Wash for defensive presence? Torn-T because it can only be so bad + regen? If I'm them I load RWash and Arma, probably.
  • I think for you Id just out-offense them, I dunno. CharY + HWish Tales + 4 sweepers. 3+Terap if you're worried about Rocks, they don't have spinblock. Chomp Wake Lilli, Venu if you don't bring Terap?
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thank you always appreciate your insight

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Sure but not super motivated to click that into a Wake

lofty wigeon
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ubers match up time

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I think Figuring out who he scarfs is the most important thing of this match up

rancid kestrel
# lofty wigeon
  • Why does it feel like their team is TR but only has two setters? Wild. Like, Ursa, Wo-Chien, hell even stuff like Forry and Kyu-W. Though Kyu-W is stretching it.
  • It's my opinion that their scarfer is likely Kyu-W. Full disclosure, I only really considered it and Shifu as options. If they rock up with Scarf Pult for no good reason or like, idk, Cinderace, well hey I lose that but I also think that those mons should be doing other things. I also don't think Torn or Raichu are coming.
  • Anyway, I think Shifu is rough into Oger, Palk, and Zap as a scarfer, and that Dusclops kinda blanks it as well a bit. Kyu-W, meanwhile, threatens all three of those with Freeze Dry and AMuk/Tink/TTar both allow for relatively free switchins to Ursa/Shifu putting you into a bit of a tumble mill. Your hazards also aren't terrific and they'll presumably have a Boots Ace to further mess with hazards, meaning KyuW isn't begging for Boots itself.
  • If I'm them, Pult KyuW Ace Shifu and Ursa are my core five. I personally bring Forry or Wo-Chien because I'm a hazards nerd, but I can see Klef coming. I don't really see the space for other 'mons, I think 'mons like Slowking and Swalot don't bring the correct defensive presence needed into stuff like Pao or Exca, and I don't rate Torn/Raichu very highly here either - they can't outspeed their offensive weaknesses (Exca under sand for Raichu at least, and assuming no Scarf on either but both mons are bad so.), and can't tank either.
  • For you, Pao Oger Zap Exca TTar seem mandatory, I'd consider most other 'mons here tbh. I probably settle on Tinkaton persoanlly, but I don't think PalkO does a ton useful here personally and AMuk/Clops have a similar rpoblem to their Slowking/Swalot to me - AMuk's scared of Ursa/Shifu and Dusclops is scared of Pult. Cress exists I guess but seeing as I expect Oger to Tera here to tank a Freeze Dry and try to PRough back or whatever, Cress is going tera-less into Pult? I don't think so.
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Can anyone give advice on my draft team...its a 6v6 doubles draft only unrestricted mons...

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# strange lark Can anyone give advice on my draft team...its a 6v6 doubles draft only unrestric...
  • So doubles is not really a focus of this spacve but I'll try to figure out some things.
  • Your speed control doesn't really exist IMO. TR only on P2, Tailwind only on Scizor/Corviknight, to me that doesn't feel all that great to be honest. Sure you have some EWeb/Icy Wind/Bulldoze, but its not like your Tailwind setters are even good Tailwind setters, yknow?
  • I'm worried about your power. What's getting KOes? Kingambit and Sylveon, I guess? P2 can be offensive, sure, but I'm not super convinced that P2 is going to lift the strength of the team as a third-best attacker, yknow?
  • I worry about your weaknesses to Ground, Fire, and Fighting. You have some Intimidate that will help with the physical side of those types, but you have very few resistances/immunities to those types and I suspect most teams will have one or two Pokemon who can take advantage of that pretty strognly, and I can't say that I'm super convinced that like, Corv/[Arcanine/Gastro]/Sylveon are going to be able to solo-carry a response against that.
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I'm not aware of any space that does drafting help for doubles draft.

strange lark
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Kk...can u suggest a change..if possible..like a role which I need ???

rancid kestrel
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I can't really do that without seeing the drafting board y'all used.

strange lark
rancid kestrel
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Your team's fine, probably. I don't know Doubles as well as I do Singles. But those were the things that stuck out to me.

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Anyone have a few tips for this match?

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what urshifu is that @marsh hatch

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Rapid Strike

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# marsh hatch Anyone have a few tips for this match?
  • This seems like a rough game for you. I dunno that your defensive core can really handle Darkrai/Shifu very well, other than like maybe Clefable but it can't handle both. Meanwhile they have decent replies to Gren, Moth will struggle here, Chomp's alright but is scared of Whimsi/Haban Dragalge.
  • Their problem is that they don't really have good hazard play. It's kinda just Treads, unfortunately you don't really have a ghost to spinblock after, say, Chomp hazardstacking or something. I'm not convinced Frosmoth Defog is a thing.
  • If I'm them, I drop Dragalge (not convinced it's good enough to bring) and either Mesprit or Frosmoth, probably Frosmoth (it hates Garg, Chomp, Moth). Doesn't leave them a very defensive core, but their team's pretty offense-oriented anyway.
  • That said, Treads/Whimsi/Zap/Mesp are all kinda utility-focused, so either they gotta run out-of-the-box sets like Sub Pressure Zap, Specs Whimsi, or boosting Mesp/Treads, or they're relying on Darkrai and Shifu to do most of their damage. Given that one of them (Shifu imo) has to be the scarfer, that really does mean they're relying on good prediction to keep their big hitters alive.
  • If I'm you, I leave behind Tsareena and Garg, probably. I can see justification for Garg but unless you're opting to leave behind Annihilape (honestly understandable into their team) I don't really see another option.
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  • Tera Moth is probably your end-game sweeper, pick something that doesn't fold to AJet from a Tera Water Shifu and make sure that Frosmoth doesn't have fire-resist Tera + Ice Scales before you try to sweep. Beware Prankster Whimsi giving you a Scarf on a Sub turn or smth. I'd hazardstack w/ Chomp and make IMoth ghost but I'm also not respecting Scarf Darkrai or Frosmoth, so.
  • Clef/Corv/[Ape/Garg] can handle defenses somewhat, IMO I make Clef SpD for Darkrai/Whimsi and Corv Def for Treads/Shifu, but you'll have to figure out what you like based on calcs and stuff. Gren's a decent breaker, I probably use it to weaken opponents for the Moth sweep or whatever.
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Thoughts??

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rancid kestrel
# random girder Thoughts??
  • I don't really get what your opponent's trying to accomplish here, honestly. HLilli out of sun (provided by you but generally speaking)? Baxcalibur with no snow? Non-Tera Enam? Sneasler with no Terrain? It feels like a weird cheese anti-cheese, where they grabbed a buncha stuff that could activate if their opponent sets something up for them.
  • Their removal's not great. Donphan isn't good even in the lower power SV format, it can't be any better in an Ubers format. And then like, what turn is HLilli going to find spare to click Defog in? Sneasler can at least absorb TSpikes, but that means it can't Balloon, and it limits its ability to be an Unburden sweeper if that's what it is aiming for.
  • They have an alarming weakness to Fairy, and I don't like their Ghost resistance situation much at all either. I'm not sure you're positioned to take advantage of either, unfortunately, Tera Fairy Kyurem maybe could be of use (good into Enam Baxc HLilli, bad into Sneasler) but you don't have much angle to spam moves they can't easily answer to.
  • On the other hand, they have a Baxcalibur into a team of yours that doesn't have Ice Resistances. At least they can't Tera their Baxc out of the Dragon weakness. Their Tera choices don't seem great to me, but whatever.
  • Baxc, Gren, Sneasler, Lunala, and HLilli (for your sun) seem functionally mandatory for them. I personally bring Donphan for hazard removal, but I could see worlds where Eelektross, Heatran, or Enamorus (probably in that order) come.
  • For you, Groudon Wake (speed booster prob) Zapdos Kyurem seem like the start to me. From there I probably consider Talonflame (Gale Wings wrecks Sneasler and Venu/Blaz can't outspeed it), Glimmora (for hazards and to mess with Lunala Shadow Shield), or Grimmsnarl (screens looks good into a team I suspect is expecting to just barely get their KO damage ranges). Blaz or Venu can come, but I suspect relying on Sun too much will result in HLilli problems.
lunar needle
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Looks very into my favor so I'm just spaming specs

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AAA so I'll just give a quick thought rather than anything in depth - 100 to 85's a rough speed drop for them. Be careful with specs spam since I suspect Volc, Arch, and ILeaves are all capable of running away with a game if you misplay after being in a bad position (say, clicking Moonblast into Volc and then misplaying into Milo only to discover its a water immunity)

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lofty wigeon
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This is what i ended up with in that super crazy draft league

rancid kestrel
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Tera Shedinja is demonic. Hard to play alongside having what looks like a desire to have sandstorm though?

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Not putting prankster on murkrow was on purpose
I think they're going for mega scovillan for follow me and a trick room setter like stacaktacka or mimikyu first turn so they can get the trick room off
What I plan to do is intentionally make murkrow slower so ogerpon can get the guaranteed kill on scovillian, and murkrow can taunt the trick roomer guaranteed
After that Idk what to do other than target the trick roomers once they come out

rancid kestrel
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It's doubles so who knows but at a glance the only thing that looks odd is the Oger speed EVs, what is it aiming to do? It's not outspeeding 252+ MrMime

lunar needle
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Now it just outspeeds the scovillian

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Don't need to worry much about mimikyu I believe

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I have other mons that outspeed it

rancid kestrel
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What's AVest on Prim for? Special-attacking Scov?

lunar needle
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I don't know. It's a Champions mega, I haven't seen anything of it yet. I see equal stats so I dunno!

lunar needle
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I just need a special attacker other than Genesect

rancid kestrel
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Sure, just feels like something maybe not super useful, but it's a pretty wack Doubles format so you're not going to get a ton of useful advice admittedly anyway

lunar needle
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The team looks weird too, so I'm not sure how to go with this

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I think I should keep the non prankster strat on because their team is pretty slow too

rancid kestrel
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I'd beware of Mental Herb potentially

lunar needle
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Oh that's true

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Yeah the strat's over

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I dunno that I'd replace it as much as I'd consider lefties or something

lofty wigeon
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Excadrill was the only spinner left

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forrtress got taken before him

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Week 6 seasonal, first time running into Zarude Moon 😮

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# spare relic Week 6 seasonal, first time running into Zarude Moon 😮
  • It's a shame you cant take advantage of the 119 to 105 blank space. But like, this doesn't seem like a terrible match for you. They'll presumably be going Tera Fairy since you struggle to hit it well and are pretty weak to it? Tera Ice is another angle, though, so beware that especially if you prepare for LandoT to be your primary response.
  • Their hazards suck. Why are Zap and Ursa here when their removal is TFlame Defog and their setting is Rachi SR? Buddy that's your scarfer! Whatever. Consider TSpikes maybe, I can't see Toxicroak coming into Tera Hoopa, Lando, etc, and it vaguely forces Jungle Healing on Zarude over Synth.
  • Like I said, I think Croak doesn't come, but Bro also seems rough into Meow/Bolt/Glowking/Hoopa, so I think that gets dropped too. Maybe Zapdos is the scarfer but I have my doubts, but also Scarf Rocks Trick Jirachi surely takes too much turns to really be functional for what kinda needs to be their defensive backbone w/ Bro gone. So who is their scarfer if anyone? Are they just gonna rely on RMoon for speed control? Worrying.
  • For you, Copper is vaguely tempting for Zarude, it has to bring Low Kick to hit you but then what is it dropping for that? I don't like Glowking here, it seems like it matches up poorly into basically everything (252 Zarude Knock w/o boosts is a 50% chance to OHKO). Morgrem and Glowking get left behind, I guess?
  • Scarf Hoopa doesn't outspeed Booster RMoon but seems nice otherwise. Scarf Meow does, but if you want TSpikes it's hard to see that working, and it hates Zap/TFlame here. In theory you could prob tech out a max Def Lando as a RMoon Ursa and Zarude answer, but with no reliable healing you're probably not covering both. Scarf Cyc might be the best choice for the "i need the fastest thing on the field" POV. Maybe between Copper and Lando you can handle most things?
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Carbink would be my reccomendation as it gets both but again only if it’s vgc

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Coulda had an unbreakable object

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I have a vgc draft but it's reg F and i have Dragonite/Pao and incineroar

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Well steel might’ve been better tbh stops poison/toxic and still no sand chip

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Hard to imagine what else it's doing / if it's worth it. I was thinking TSpikes on Meow personally

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I can bring glowking for absorbing then and setting up my own Tspikes

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where is your uber

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Alola should do work against it

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@rancid kestrel how are you approaching this Champions draft ?

I was 7th pick so I took Mega Sci into H samurott

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I'm not someone good to ask. I've been getting advice on every pick I've made. I know next to nothing about Champions.

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Gotcha, i got master ball on it in singles, but most the mons i used are banned

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Hi guys how’s everyone’s champs draft going

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Oops

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this is mine currently

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Exca got taken right before me :(

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Looks decent ngl

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it's just fast enough to scarf and outspeed pult

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Idk what mega clef does but your other picks are fire

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Magic bounce

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Good bulk

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I can also just spam cosmic power

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Two matchups here, more worried about my sun team matchup i just seem so outclassed there in terms of mon quality, Ubers i think my team is pretty potent into theirs just not sure what tera's he could be looking at to use, thanks

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Also really enjoyed your speed article afairy

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it was a fun write, glad to hear! let me see about these MUs

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# lofty wigeon Two matchups here, more worried about my sun team matchup i just seem so outclas...
  • Vaguely don't agree on you being less happy with the sun team MU, beyond IV and I guess Melm (bad here) and Baxc (which you may be higher on than I) I actually don't think their team's all that great.
  • It feels like they have this TR setting that doesn't really actually exist since their setters aren't super reliable. Their hazards are also pretty weak, solo-Donphan removal and no real setting is wild, esp in 12mon ND.
  • IV Baxc MVenu Donphan feels mandatory to me. From there, I see value in Kilo's speed, Zoro's surprise, Arcanine intim, Melm damage. Other Pokemon exist I guess, Gigalith can bring Sand and a hazard setter, but into double reset and a much more reliable removal I'm less convinced. I prob bring Zoro Arc, but I can see other angles.
  • For you, CharY Ninetales Terap Wake are the mandatory IMO, from there I like HLilli (name a counter beyond mvenu) and like, Scarf Chomp? Could also be hazards Chomp given their bad removal but Donphan can definitely get removals off. I dunno that other 'mons strike me as super useful here.
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  • Top speed 105 in an NDUbers format? Yikes. They also don't have six good Pokemon. Zarude's fine but falters in the power level, KyuB Ho-Oh obviously come, and then what? Clef Sciz as a defensive core and Shocks for hazards or smth? The rest of their mons are either bad or gimmicky. Surely they don't bring Glowking into Pao Exca TTar AMuk right?
  • Their hazard setters besides Shocks are mediocre. Glowking isn't coming, Minior can't set rocks, Clefable's alright but wants to do a billion things while also tanking Zap+PalkO.
  • I'm not convinced that Ho-Oh can carry this team, and like, I'm not sure there's any angle I see where Zarude can break through AMuk, maybe I'm missing something. It'd need to be allowed to get free major setup without you actually doing anything to it. And even then it'd need Stomping Tantrum and multiple boosts, probably.
  • For you, I honeslty feel like you can probably out-offense them. Their defensive core isn't enough to withstand, even if Ho-Oh goes defensive to help them. Toss in a HWish on Cress or something and suddenly their whole strategy collapses I think.
  • TTar Exca Pao PalkO as the core, I personally add Cress AMuk but I can see bringing Zap or Tink, the latter can vaguely replace AMuk but weakens your offensive Ho-Oh options and the former can mostly click Volt Switch indiscriminately which seems useful.
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What is this?

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Don't just link a pokepaste that's supremely unhelpful.

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Oh shi my bad

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Hold on

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6v6 doubles natdex, what are we thinking

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Yes I put AV on regieleki, he's fast enough to outspeed even iron bundle without investment

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Might consider scarf on Genesect too

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Just forget to do it to this one

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EQ on Kanga feels weird when you only have one thing that can be out when you click it. Dunno what you're clicking Flash Cannon on w/ Genesect, surely it's not doing enough to Bundle? Is Regieleki outspeeding even Booster Speed Bundle?
Hard to have any other thoughts since it's ND Doubles.

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However I'm not that worried since I have icy wind and electro web on the team

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So Swampert didn't even come in

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This is not the place for that. Go ask in the Smogon Draft discord #tour-questions channel.

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Okay sorry

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Week 7 of seasonal, interesting team

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Tera tusk is scary ngl my only ground resist is lando which gets fried by ice spinner

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So does meow

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Idk though I can say all my mons have. A niche here, it’s just how I go about it

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But raging bolt really looks good here icl

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I don't think they need to tera tusk in this match up, I could even see them running a scarf on it and just suicide leading it, I think tera Garg is a much more annoying problem for you.

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rancid kestrel
# spare relic Week 7 of seasonal, interesting team
  • Yeah, Tusk is scary here. In theory it can run BU+3A bc Cinderace exists, meaning most ground resists are going to struggle to eat everything. You could maybe see Tera Bug PysDef Bolt, resists Ground+Fighting and neutral against Ice? Unsure on the calcs. Their tera is maybe going to be one of their listed options for STAB if they don't like their calcs, but I can also see Tera Steel (blanks most Meow and Bolt counterplay, wrecks typical Tera Fairy Bolt nonsense) or something.
  • If I'm them I drop Gengar and Slowking. Garg can maybe also go but it kinda seems decent into most things of yours not named Meow? And then Slowking's scared of Meow Bolt Glowking Hoopa. And then Gengar doesn't seem super useful to me, it provides them with no speed tier due to your 121-91, and its not like it can eat a DMeteor from Cyc to spinblock or whatever. OTOH
  • Zapdos is gonna be bulked out of its mind since it doesn't need to run basically any Speed to even outrun 252+ Hoopa, so be careful with that, esp if you go Pads Meow to avoid Static on TAxel, I'm not sure the calcs will be super favorable for you.
  • Unironically a scarf Kyurem looks terrifying. If it gets the clicks right, what's stopping it other than like Copperajah, and even that probably folds to a good EP predict.
  • For you, I probably drop Glowking (loses to Garg, lets in Tusk and Kyurem) and... Copper, I guess. If the calcs are there you could maybe drop Morgrem, but I think you're going to benefit a ton from screens when they have Tusk Kyurem and potentially Cinderace (your fire resists aren't that hot either, its mostly just relying on Intim from Lando).
  • Esp in a world where I think it's scarf Kyurem, that 'mon basically is "barely get the roll:TM:" personified. Screens is going to dramatically make it harder for it. Tusk needs to spend more turns boosting or have to take more -1 -1 to get its KOes. Seems useful to me.
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If I'm Tera'ing Garg into you, I vaguely like Tera Bug (messes w/ Hoopa standard stabs, flips the Meow MU, and hope that Glowking doesnt have Sludge Bomb), Fairy (helps against Bolt and Cyc, hope Glokwing doesn't have SBomb, and Copperajah doesnt have a strong STAB IG?), and like, IDK, Steel could be usable to cover FTrick on an IDef set once Lando's out of comission.

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Hmm ic

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For raging bolt

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lofty wigeon
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next uber match up and i'm 3-0 for the first time ever.

I think this week Dusclops is my my best mon crazy enough, Blanks tera normal Dragonnite, can curse a set up terapagos and can 2hko a lunala, unfortunately i didn't realize i could tera it so that transaction isn't until next week

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honestly with Pao, Ttar and even mul lunala seems like a liability for him

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9ou

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Im radox

untold crag
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main issues are bolt and weaville

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# untold crag

Against your team:

Raging bolt can be scary since your ground immune is chomp. Can easily see a Tera bug for eq resistance+sneaselrr and cheesing through serperior with Tera bug blast potentially.

You also seem to struggle to break corv on paper immediately. Rotom can easily switch in on it but in terms of immediate power corv can just come in on most of your team(chomp, unboosted Sneasler, serperior, necrozma stab, florges, bronzong, etc) and U-turn for free into raging bolt when the telegraphed rotom switch in happens.

Weavile is also another scary Mon. outspeeds your whole team, can’t even run yache berry on chomp cuz triple axel. I can see Banded weavile being loaded here.

Rest in terms of threats are wtv, Tentacruel can’t spin super freely because most of you team threaten it for super effective damage. Although there is still some undervalued threats like Tera sylveon & espeon where they can tech Tera’s for bronzong(because that’s basically you sole natural fairy resist) and cornerstone is also a strong Mon, although it’s checked by garchomp & bronzong.

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Thanks for analysis

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I have a way to deal with corv with necro

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# untold crag What would u suggest i bring

In terms of what I would bring if I was your:

1st I’m bringing terapagos here because Tera shell would obviously be useful here. I can see a 3 attacks rap in spin set coming with flamethrower and earth power as coverage to hit weavile corv & raging bolt respectively. You can also replace EP with a support move like toxic, stealth rocks, even calm mind spin can work too.

Second Mon I’m bringing is chomp, because at the end of the day it’s still garchomp even though it has a rough match up into weavile. I can see a mixed set with EQ fire blast working. Maybe sneak in iron head for sylveon and potential Tera fairy raging bolt as well. For item I think LO can break(just have to avoid weavile mostly)

The third mon I would bring is Rotom Wash despite what I said earlier about it being telegraphed. Volt switch is still super free into their team especially if they don’t bring lando(Lando gets killed by hydro pump+crippled by will o anyways). I think Rotom wash can work here as your primary scarfer with Will-o to cripple weavile & Landorus. You can even go volt switch pump dual status with Twave Will o I think.

4th Mon I would bring here is bronzong, it’s your sole fairy resist to sylveon, it provides resist to Cornerstones stabs and absorbs toxic from tentacruel. You can run colbur berry body press to tech for weavile. Other moves would be like rocks psychic noise heavy slam. If you’re planning on running another rock setter like pagos/chomp for example you can maybe sneak in ice spinner bronzong for Landorus-T and decent chip on raging bolt? But I think zong is ideal as the rocker here.

5th Mon I’m bringing here is Sneasler. At the end of the day you still need that raw speed. You can probably run some utility pivot set like CC dire claw U-turn with throat chop as last move to prevent sylveon from clicking hyper voice(if roll is not in your favour) I would run protective pads for this set to avoid rocky helmet from Lando & Corv.

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lastly, I kinda like Tera Necrozma here? Dragon dance moonlight Tera ground seems kinda free especially with Weakness policy to punish U-turn clicks from Lando & corv.

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sounds solid

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with stored power?

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Stored power can work ye

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I had a paste before but it struggled against bolt

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Which kinda worked

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Tera ice I can see working yes

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Just make it like a bulky set up set

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So raging bolt doesn’t easily revenge with thunderclap

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You can even run like DD recovery move stored power Ice blast

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I like ur tera ground approach

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Hm

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Ep/moonlight

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Necrozma @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Prism Armor
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 100 SpD / 156 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

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Evs are just a rough idea

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But the speed will allow you to outspeed max jolly weavile at +1

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Rest are just dumped into hp cuz I saw some calcs from Draco meteor bolt

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None in spa?

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yeh draco spec modest bolt

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Scary

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+2 0 SpA Necrozma Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 382-450 (135.9 - 160.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (382, 386, 390, 396, 400, 404, 408, 414, 418, 422, 426, 432, 436, 440, 444, 450)

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Oh fire

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This set could actually work

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Thanks

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Bronzong colbur bpress tech i already made lol

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with rocks + psynoise incase wish passing from sylv

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Hp def

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For spec bolt or just keep hp def

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Ok

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Maybe a little bit of def but colbur should do the trick vs weavile and cornerstone knock off clicks

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Yeh

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# lofty wigeon
  • Agreed on the assessment that if Clops keeps a hold on its Eviolite, it's probably hell for anything to break it. I'd also think Cress can serve a similar purpose for DNite especially, Tera Steel makes it way more like Clops - kinda blanks everything but niche coverage like FT on Terap, though it obviously has to be scared of Moth and Shao.
  • They have a single ground immunity and its their Tera wincon in Dnite. They have a single resist in Leavanny, a bad Pokemon. If I'm them I'm trying to figure out how to stop Exca from going silly.
  • I kinda do think Shao wants to come for them, Knock helps with Clops, it threatens Steel Cress, threatens Pao w/ Mach, can help with Exca/TTar/Muk...? Maybe I'm overcooking.
  • Lunala/Terap/Dnite obviously, but then presumably Lu because Lu is great. I give a slot personally to Shao, and then last 'mon is probably Moth?
  • Hard to see Florges come into your team, Emp isn't super useful on its own merits and Lu/Terap handle hazards. Leavanny I don't respect as a Pokemon, and Jolteon probably bounces off too many things to justify bringing, especially since DNite needs the Tera and then it blanks into Exca.
  • For you, Pao PalkO (great mons, great speed tiers), either Clops or Cress but probably not both, OgerW if Cress isn't your setter I think, and then either TTar+Exca or AMuk+Tink, probably. Zapdos can fit somewhere in there too, but I dunno how you fit it in other than if it's Cress not Clops and then you have the space since Oger's not coming?
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# untold crag
  • Kinda don't know where their damage output comes from, TBH. Weavile, sure, RBolt sure, but what's their third or fourth? Some combo of LandoT OgerC Sylv? Sylv never gets Tera over Bolt (especially not into your team with Terap Chomp Zong) so their damage output 'mons are also their only hazard setters past their two superstars.
  • If I'm them, I leave behind Espeon (speed tier not super useful) and Sylveon, probably. Into a bunch of Tera options and Zong, I don't think Sylveon does what it needs to in order to justify bringing. Maybe I'm an Eeveelution hater, I dunno.
  • If I'm you, Qua's got some good thoughts for sure, I probably reach the same conclusion as well w.r.t. leaving Serp and Florges behind. I'm less worried about Corv though, since it's very much needing to take up a defensive role here (I predict scarf LandoT) and Chomp can't be allowed to just freely hazard-stack. But maybe I'm a Tenta hater.
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Ok thanks

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@spare relic what set would u do for bronz

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Cause modest spec draco does a lot even with spdef investment

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yeh

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Pivot with Rotom/Sneasler try and get in chomp/pagos

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To wall break

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feel like after weaville gone

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Mainly chomp

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I can use it as a sack even

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What evs would u recommend

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# untold crag What evs would u recommend

Rotom-wash I think you don’t need much speed investment since you’re most likely not outrunning scarf Lando. Maybe just enough speed evs to outspeed weavile and raging bolt, then you can look to dump into hp

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?

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Ill try it

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Natdex league, think stuff like pursuit are banned. Z moves are banned and only shitmons can be Tera

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Sd mega absol does quite a bit here

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# spare relic Natdex league, think stuff like pursuit are banned. Z moves are banned and only ...
  • Their team feels a bit paper tiger. Sure, MLop is good, Pech doesn't need Tera, and RWash is fine, but Oger and Chi-Yu kinda do need Tera to be functional, Rachi and Florges are a bit past it when it comes to power creep, but I dunno. I'm not super sure that their team is super strong.
  • I do like your team, though. Not sure I see the MAbsol comment personally, it wouldn't be on my final team, but you have pretty good depth here. Terap and Goug don't desperately need Tera, Kart and DeoS are good 'mons, Bellibolt is better than Miltank IMO.
  • Their removal is meh especially when mons like Oger, Pilo, and Charga would love to hazardstack. Their setting is okay and they have an incredible spinblocker making Terap's life harder.
  • Their speed's alright, though I think Chi-Yu and Oger are kinda carrying it to an extent. I don't see Jirachi running max speed a ton esp alongside ChiYu, and Miltank for sure shouldn't be. MLop exists but is fast enough where it mostly doesn't matter. Just make sure you don't let it run 0 Speed or whatever I guess.
  • If I'm them, I bring MLop, Scarf Chi-Yu, Rotom-W Pech as a defensive core, Jirachi to set hazards and provide utility, and Ogerpon as some setup threat despite no Tera.
  • For you, I think I bring an offensive DeoS, scarf Kartana (maybe? I'm less sold on this), Goug, Terap, and then the final two are probably some combo of Klefki screens, Bellibolt (Tera Flying seems decent here?), Dusclops if the MLop calcs make sense, or MAbsol. I probably pick Klefki and Bellibolt personally.
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they brought both evees and i lost

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skull

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no..

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As suspected it was booster spin headlong

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—Mfloette- 20p—
—Tar - 10p— TERA CAPTAIN- 12TP
—Drill- 10p—
—Volcarona- 9p (TERA BANNED)—
Hydrapple- 8p
—Sneasler- 14p—
Moltres- 9p
Slowking- 10p
Scizor- 13p
Mismagius- 6p TERA CAPTAIN-7TP
Clefairy- 1p (ONLY POSSIBLE IF SINISTCHA IS NOT USED OVER HYDRAPPLE) TERA CAPTAIN- 1TP
POTENTIAL SUBS-
Sinistcha- 9p
Talonflame- 7p
20+10+10+9+8+14+9+10+13+6+1=110 Points
20/20 Tera Points
How’s this draft looking? I’ll send the link to legal stuff rq

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This is my FIRST draft league and we have a total of 110 points with 20 t points

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The ones in dash marks have been taken by me and my teammate

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Pursuit is allowed but not hidden power

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Figured out a rule
Removing tera from Tar and Mismagius since if I want to tera them, THEN they cost 12 and 7 points respectively in BOTH sections

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Week 8 of seasonal. MeowBoltLando vs MeowKeldLando lol

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I’m assuming keld is just going to tech Tera for Meow. Maybe Tera grass or bug I can see

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Or Tera fairy/dark honestly

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Glimmora and electivire can also potentially be really annoying

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# spare relic Week 8 of seasonal. MeowBoltLando vs MeowKeldLando lol

I'm assuming for them that Electivire and Slowbro don't come. Florges has some value here as a Wishpasser and a decently bulky fairy type. Honestly though they could leave Glimm behind though, I really don't see your angle about them and Evire being annoying here. Who are they dropping to bring EVire Glimm? Florges Slowbro? I guess, but then they have 0 defensive backbone into a HoopaU Meow Bolt? And for what? I dunno. I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

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Slowbro and glimmora though I can see them bringing it as midground mons. Slowbro can kinda check Lando ig?

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I guess I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Like, yeah, if Electivire can be played exactly perfectly and you don't have any response it can probably do something like a 1v1 trade with maybe a bit of chip on another 'mon, but it's like, if it's played perfectly etc. Yache Lando and all of the sudden it does nothing and folds to EQ I feel like?

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And this is my first draft so this is the best way to plan for me

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accounting every threat and everyone with a threat and how to counter it

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Like cocaine bear a giga threat so Mismagius

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Should I remove clef so I can put a tera on Mismagius?

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Clef is definitely better than Tera Mismagius. I'm not super sure why you think Mismagius is a counter to Ursaluna, though?

Even a fully kitted out Mismagius gets 2-shot by Crunch, and it's not like Mismag can do anything back really?

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# spare relic Btw who do you recon is the scarfer on their team,’they have decent options like...

If it's EVire Glimm, scarfer might be EVire or Meow since Lando will need to be a bit more defensive. If it's Bro Florges, I can see a Lando scarfer. Rachi scarfer could be doable with Trick if they're scared of setup Bolt but that'll depend on what Keld Tera shows up I think - if it's anti-Bolt then I'd think more likely Lando scarf, if it's offensive then the Bolt reply might legit be to trick a Scarf onto it?

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While still being good into meow

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Keld could also be a decent Scarfer, but what I'm trying to say is if you see Fighting or Water or something, then you can expect the anti-Bolt tech to be something else, and Trick Scarf as an anti-Bolt tech seems quite feasible to me

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Might be a long shot, doing a gen 3 draft.
Looking at my last 2 picks and i have 9 points
There is Lioone for 8 and i can take a 1 pointer or I can take Swellow for 7 and get a useful 2 pointer

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rancid kestrel
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I know fuckall about ADV but my gut instinct would be Swellow + a 2 pointer

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Also tera can help w that

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Please @ when replying btw, didn’t want to make you wait for a reply

rancid kestrel
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Ah
Expected more..

rancid kestrel
# astral hatch Ah Expected more..

I mean, Mismag isn't a bad Pokemon, but if your drafting angle is to prep for specific Pokemon, there'll probably be better options. That said, Tera Mismag in theory can Tera Steel and barring fighting-type coverage it makes it way harder to do anything w/ Ursa I guess?

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That works too

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And I think pain split can help with that right

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Plus Mismagius just has good support tools

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and with tera poison for another team it can beat gliscor which I despise

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Hex is amazing for gliscor

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willowisp hex is a set I wanna try + cm shadow ball wisp

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Yk

rancid kestrel
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Makes sense, yeah

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Think I can keep it or should I go w tera clef? I see knock support and twave being helpful but I think Mismagius with tera just is pretty potent against a lot of teams

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since they prep for things like ogerpon bax etc

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And I just have a lot more sweepers to make others be concerned about

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I forgot how to word that sentence holy

rancid kestrel
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In the end, pick what you think is best and what you find the most fun. Neither are wrong answers, you seem motivated by Mismag, and it's not like Tera Clef is soo good as to be basically mandatory

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Alr

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Thanks for the help

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—Mfloette- 20p—
—Tar - 10p—
—Drill- 10p—
—Volcarona- 9p (TERA BANNED)—
Hydrapple- 8p
—Sneasler- 14p—
Moltres- 9p
Slowking- 10p
Scizor- 13p
Mismagius- 7p TERA CAPTAIN- 7TP
POTENTIAL SUBS-
Sinistcha- 9p
Talonflame-7p (8p and tp w tera captain)
20+10+10+9+8+14+9+10+13+7=110 Points
7/20 Tera Points
This is the updated version, feel free to comment on anything

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Tera captain Talonflame is only 8 points, should I go w that over Molt?

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Since it does get defog too

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Could get Clef too in that case

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Depends what you want out of the 'mons, I suppose. Moltres is better defensively, Talonflame is better offensively. IMO you have a fair amount of defense on your team so Talonflame may provide you with more things you wouldn't have access to otherwise?

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Gunk shot Ace feels rather annoying

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But yeah could go w that

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Nothing else immediately strikes me as "you're overlooking this" or "why was that your choice". Feels weird to bench stuff like Volc but I def do understand why into Boulder Nihi etc.

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Nah, I think leaving Volc behind is definitely the angle

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Alrighty, I think I have a good MU but can’t let my guard down for sure

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There’s no outslowing this thing seriousrisitas

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oh damn it's a mega

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yep

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vgc draft, how does this team look overall ? 2 first weeks won but idk how to feel about it

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had mega scizor before btw traded it for normal scizor to have access to item and tera instead

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Natdex draft , what is the best thing that works with a Hoopa ?

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We got a Tera budget of 20 points which you can share between 2 Pokemons

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As your first pick...?

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So what would be a good aechetype to pair with it

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I can't even recommend that, to be honest. Hoopa is not going to get sniped realistically so you could leave it until right near the end, and as a 1pt 'mon that won't come to basically any games, you certainly shouldn't be building around it.

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I mean, you can aim to get it by/at the end of the draft, but building around Hoopa is very much not worth it in my eyes.

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Rain's alright if you want to hard commit to it, Tera Kingambit is whatever and is probably not worth 16 points but can work.

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It wouldn't be very high up on my personal considerations. I'm still trying to grasp the drafting rules

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oh I will expand on that

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My gut instinct is that Flutter Mane, Dragapult, Mega Alakazam, and ega Salamence are the best 'mons on the board, and that Blaziken, Mega Excadrill, Naganadel, and Palafin are widely overpriced.

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8 Pokémon minimum per roster, 12 Pokémon maximum.
All rostered Pokémon must not exceed the roster budget of: 120 total points.
You are allowed to roster a maximum of two Mega Evolutions but cannot Mega Evolve both in the same battle.
All rostered Mega Pokémon must be holding their mega stone at all times even if they do not mega evolve.
You are required to have one Z Captain [Z] and a minimum of one Tera Captain [T]. [Z] Captains are NOT required to use Z items every match.
You are allowed to have a maximum of 2 [T] Captains. You have a total tera budget of 20 points. If you have 2 [T] Captains their point combination cannot exceed 20 points. [T] Captains cannot use type gems ever, even if they do not tera in the match.
Your [T] Captain(s) and [Z] Captain cannot overlap.
You are required to assign captains at the end of drafting process when grace begins, do not specify captainship during the draft process please.
One legendary and one mythical Pokémon maximum per team
You can only roster one Pokémon 20 points or higher.
Any Pokémon in your roster that is NOT a [T] Captain can use type gems as an item.

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One legendary and one mythical Pokémon maximum per team
With all due respect, this line drives home the point that this draft is not very serious.

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But it is what it is and I'm not here to judge

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Dragonite seems priced on the assumption it has to be a Tera Captain, IV with Tera available to it seems absolutely bonkers to me, ditto with a lot of the Tera-available 18pters like OgerH, Roaring Moon, and Terapagos

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Mega Clefable and Mega Kangaskhan are probably overpriced even in ND-expanded movepools, Mega Lucario is probably underpriced.

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rancid kestrel
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A side effect of 16-person drafts is that you can't really plan. You pick a Pokemon, and then anywhere between sixteen and thirty+ Pokemon get picked between that pick and your next. I'd take something expensive that you want to try out or play with (ideally that is actually of value) and then by the time your next pick comes, figure out your second and so on.

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Oof. Same thing but now Worse. Anyways, something to consider is that stuff like entry hazard removal, good setting, useful defensive type mons (whether that's steel/fairy/dragon, ground immunes, grounded poison, ghost, whatever you prefer to prioritize), etc - most teams, especially ones who try to prioritize like "oh lemme get mluc and dragonite together" are going to get stuck with like, Registeel as their Steel-type, or Hitmontop as their backup removal option.

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Is Terapagos really able to Tera...?

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no

rancid kestrel
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Okay.

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only that, they forgot to add

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everything else 20 and under can

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So, there isn't really a justifiable high point pick to take "for" rain - you could try like, Palafin, but I don't think that even rain Palafin with Tera is super justifiable, but that's the only "for" rain pick. OgerW is there sorta but runs into the problem listed below moreso than Palafin bc it doesn't have Jet Punch to get around the problem somewhat.
Consider what rain will struggle with the most, and think of what pick you could maybe make to 'respond' to that.
Rain struggles to have a defensive backbone and often has few resistances or immunities. Additionally, it stacks the Water-type a lot, meaning stuff like Electric or Grass spam can make things really difficult for rain. Something you could consider is potentially Landorus-T (not a grass resist but), Dragonite (not an electric resist and needs Tera but), Mega Latias (resists both, immune to ground, can be built defensively but has its own weaknesses), or similar. All also bring Defog, which you will rarely have access to beyond Pelipper who has a way more important job.
Another angle to consider is hazard setting (Lando sorta has this) - how much nicer is it to be chunking 15%ish on every Pokemon that tries to reply to your Barreskewda using Flip Turn to leave? MClef and MDia flip the script there, Gliscor and DeoS can hazard set, the Ogers can as well sorta, Tusk has rocks, several of these 'mons and others have Spikes, that kinda stuff. Your rain core shouldn't be priortizing this, nobody wants to see MPert running Rocks because you have no other choice, yknow?
If you're going rain, you're missing out on a number of highly important utility and defensive roles usually. Grabbing a top tier that can ease that somewhat can allow you to pivot out of rain potentially (if, say, you see someone else pick Peli/Barre/MPert pick1) as opposed to like, pick 1 Palafin or OgerW where you're picking a much less potent 'mon outside of rain and then you lose rain anyway.

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Yeah, those are all good picks. I dunno that any of them are Pick 1, but those are all good 'mons to consider.

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my main problem with drafts I always try to go for setup-sweepers or heavy instant damage dealers and completly forget my defenses

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Like this is one of my teams previous draft

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I'll tell you that if you plan to draft Rain, you're committing to a draft that does not care about defenses.

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Why is scald banned, what in the world is that complex ban

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I have to head out, if there's more thoughts re: plans, I'll respond when I can.

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Is terapagos tera legal?

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With budget of 20 points shared between 2 mons

formal haven
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But Terapagos is 18 points

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Ah yeah okay that seems valid

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So there are a lot of decisions on the organisers end I can't agree with, but I do think some mons are severely underpriced, as AF said, Mega Lucario is by far the most underpriced mega on the list. Not sure what pick you have but Iron Valiant, Gouging Fire and Dnite seem like the best tera captains at high cost

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Gliscor is severely overpriced here idk what they were smoking, Mega Gren is most likely underpriced, as is Tera Zarude(at 14 points pretty valid steal ngl same with Volcarona at 15)

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if ur opp has a gliscor u run ice beam thats it how is it that hard

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if a draft literally doesnt have a way to beat gliscor ever there is probably something structurally wrong with the draft

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like the thing with stall is that u know its coming u can run whatever stallbreaking bullshit u want

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ive never been impressed by stall in draft

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^Another guy from the league

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Modest Floette w enough speed for fini

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Scarf drill speed creeping Zera

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No hidden power in game btw but pursuit is allowed

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cc slowking prevents death from luster drop to draco

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Sneasler speed creeps lati and is a pivot set to poison Cofa if it pivots in frequently to Sneasler

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Permitting poison even if they use a cc

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allowing throat chop to kill and sneasler to go crazy

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Cup is tcaptain, went with fairy

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for soaking up ace further

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I think poison is better tho acc

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# astral hatch opps team is 2nd image https://pokepast.es/82c9163d29fb94c5 Thoughts?
  • Not super sure I like CC on Slowking, I'm not super convinced that MLati's regularly clicking Luster into your team, but I see the logic I suppose. But like, what's Slowking doing back? Yawn?
  • Why Colbur if you're Tera'ing out of your weakness on Sinis? Either you're delaying Tera which limits your options, or you Tera and then have a useless item slot.
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and colbur was for ape

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but it’s over anyways
I lost because my scizor got flinched 4 times in a row by melm

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I’ll forward replay

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sigh

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Any opinions i feel like proto speed wake with specs kinda just runs thru this team

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