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random girder
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any ideas with this???

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misty plumeBOT
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rancid kestrel
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  • I'm struggling to understand your opponent's battle strategy here, somewhat. They have some good 'mons, sure, Pao Keld Wash and presumably MGolis (I'm trusting this league's given it non-EmEx?) are like, fine mons, but then what's five and six? Cyc Tail? I mean, I guess, but I'm also struggling to see how these 'mons really work.
  • OTOH, you only have seven 'mons in the first place, so building your team is less about what to bring and more about what not to bring. Sorry, but you aren't going to be bringing Shedinja into a team with Pao, Braviary, Sandaconda, Cofagrigus. Hell even mons like Cyclizar, Scream Tail, and Rotom-Wash can all bring techs for it. FEAR in 2026 is kinda not real either.
  • Pao is terrifying for you, for sure. Booster Speed Moon can outpace non-Scarf, but then Pao switches out to STail and what do you do, yknow? You don't get that opportunity again. GWeezing can probably tech out to face it down, but that's probably all it can reasonably accomplish in battle. Worth it, I suppose. Though if Shed Tail's legal for some reason that makes things way harder for sure.
  • Pao, Keld, MGoli, and Washtom presumably all come. I probably bring Cyclizar for removal at the very least, last thing you want is TSpikes ruining Pao, pre-Mega Goli, and Keld. From there, I personally bring Scream Tail to handle the physical threats, but Sandaconda or Cofagrigus is a potential alt on that? I haven't run the calcs though. But like, STail bodies RMoon, yknow?
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  • For you, like mentioned, it's less "what do I bring" and more "what do I not bring". I'm ignoring your nursery, sorry, it's not real. I think of these mons, I'm least excited about Thundy, "oh they have so many water types" kinda isn't real when one of them Megas out of it immediately and the other is Washtom, yknow? I dunno what Thundy brings here, if they have Sandaconda then it just gets real sad and if they don't, sure you can click TBolt/Volt freely but between Cyc Rose and MGoli, I'm not convinced it actually does stuff.
  • MDelph and RMoon as breakers, maybe Scarf on the latter with U-Turn? Oger strikes me as an end-game sweeper, but if it's your drop (the next most logical one after Thundy IMO) then Agility Thundy can be a decent cleaner too.
  • Terap GWeez and Emp are the hazards+defensive core, GWeez probably needs to be physdef here if only for Pao, and Empoleon doesn't look terrible as a SpDef wall though I dunno how you handle both Keld and RWash? Terap probably has to chip in here, TWave should help neuter Keldeo enough I'd think.
rancid kestrel
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  • You picked up on what I did with regards to their Fairy-resists on the Lele set. NGL I was considering the potential of Specs Bee, throw off the expectation of it being Webs-focused, but I like the Lele set for sure.
  • I worry that the Darm interaction is going to be [Switch in on Smash] -> [click FBitz into their sash and get ohko'd back] -> [1hp boosted polt vs a team that doesn't have priority, like if your Chomp is down or lost scarf somehow then like, what are you doing to KO it?
  • Not super sure what your response to MMedi is. does Alo really tank with just 252/160? Like this is vaguely why I'm worried that Chomp won't be around for the Darm interaction since it seems like a primary MMedi response, especially if Beedrill hasn't gotten Mega off yet.
  • I think, generally speaking, "out-offensive"'ing them is the right play here. I'm just worried about the Darm interaction not going your way and then you're suddenly way behind, because I do think that White Herb doesn't make a ton of sense to me on it, and you're hoping for them to put hazards up for you. I dunno that this is "solvable" in the traditional sense, barring rocks on Scarf Chomp lol, but I just see them relying on Focus Sash to trade down whatever your Mirror Herb reaction to them is.
  • I also think there's a non-zero chance that Polt just doesn't come, but I don't think you can like, rely on that, yknow? But like - MMedi, Fini, Fire, Celest, Ting-Lu, Nihi. Fully legit team that leaves Polt behind, though IDK that Gouging is super good into you, so.
rancid kestrel
# random girder any ideas with this???
  • You have an incredibly powerful team that they'll need to put significant energy into defeating. Deoxys should reasonably be able to trade with any one or two Pokemon with the proper coverage, and the defensive options of Lele, Pech, and MGyara to some extent help ensure that it isn't a one-and-done presence.
  • They basically require scarf on something like Shifu or Naganadel to not fold to Deoxys on every time it comes in, which can limit both's ability to really accomplish stuff. My guess is that the scarfer is Shifu, but between Lele and Pech, it can be a bit of a miserable life for it.
  • I leave behind Persian and Masquerain if I am you. Masq at best provides Intimidate, but into Shifu-S and a bunch of special attackers, it's really just accomplishing stuff against MBanette and Melm, which doesn't feel good to me. Webs is actively self-defeating into Cidnerace and Starmie. Persian is just power crept hard, unfortunately.
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  • Unburden Hawlucha with Ice Tera unironically goes hard here - into Naga, Thundy (I trust Shifu is taking the Tera), Gliscor, it gives you a solid non-CC click. SD if you think you can get a free turn on Melm or something (beware TPunch), Acrobatics, looks good to me. Tera doesn't need to be Ice but it does a lot good here. Can predict the Fairy tera on Shifu and do like, Steel, potentially? Harder to take down Gliscor, though.
  • LO Deo does wicked damage, Scarf Meow could be a cool surprise tech but I'm also a big fan of the surprise outspeeds/having the fastest 'mon on the field end statement. I know Gyara has to have the stone, and you prob need to mega if you're against Melm or MBane, but I kinda like leaving Intim available as long as possible alongside Resttalk or smth, just to stuff Ace.
  • Then again, Pech can't do a ton against Melm or Banette, so maybe you Mega asap and rely on Pech to stuff Ace. Lele probably needs to be able to handle Naga+Starmie+Thundy realistically, so some sorta SpDef set with ability to heal might be helpful? Probably can't do Rest on both it and Gyara, so maybe like, CM DKiss?
random girder
rancid kestrel
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what is 252+ on gyara for? it isnt speed tying with anything

random girder
rancid kestrel
# random girder Oh okay like max bulk then I was just trying to get it up there was a dd or two ...

Not questioning the set, questioning the decision to make it 252+ Speed. At base, that hits 287, which outspeeds 252+ M Banette, but with wasted EVs since that only gets 273. And then with +1, you're hitting 430, which isn't fast enough to outpseed Scarf Shifu at 252+ hitting 439, but then the next fastest realistic thing to hit is what, 375 with 252+ Naganadel? I'd go down in EVs until you hit just enough to outspeed 252+ Banette, and then you have EVs to spare into a defensive stat.

random girder
random girder
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Got the match in 3 hours haha

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misty plumeBOT
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rancid kestrel
# random girder Got the match in 3 hours haha
  • Might be a game for webs if you wanna mess with that ever. Their removal is subpart and their primary threat against webs going up is Espeon, which I have to imagine folds to X-Scissor/Skitter Smack/Megahorn? But Webs is never outright great, and your spinblocker is a frail sweeper.
  • Don't really like their speed structure here, but it works against you. Sure, Pult's great, but 110-105-92? That's not great. You can't really take advantage of it yourself given 116-90, unfortunately.
  • Already touched on their hazard removal, but their setting isn't great either unless Aloslash comes for hazard setting and removal. Otherwise it's what, Magic Bounce predicts and Rhyperior?
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  • If I'm them, I bring Gambit, Pult, and Prim for sure. Prim looks real good into most of your Pokemon, Pult's always amazing, and Gambit makes it nearly impossible to sweep with Spectrier.
  • From there, I think one or two of Rhyp/Espeon/ASlash comes, the former two can serve as good hazard presence while also being offensively competent, and the latter can condense roles pretty well. The question really is whether or not your opponent wants to bring Rotom-H or not, since I think Grafaiai has to be slot six as a protection against Spectrier. So it can be, like, Rhyp Esp Graf as the back three, or Aloslash Graf +1. My +1 I think is Rotom-H, but I can see arguments for like, Mienshao or even one of Rhyp/Esp and just don't bother with its hazard side of things and just use them as an offensive option.
  • For you, I do think Spec is too good to not leave behind even in hard odds, but I want to try an angle where you do leave Spec behind. You prob do Lu Molt Cyc as a defensive core that's a pain to kill and can win the hazard-game long term. Alo's a good bring here too, probably, and ten the final three are two of Cott, Meta, and IHands, just sorta depending on what your offensive preferences are. I like Cott IHands here personally, but I don't think Meta's a wrong answer here. And of course, one of them can also just be the Spectrier.
random girder
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If meta was to come what kind of set would you use??

random girder
frigid geyser
rancid kestrel
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going to be hard to really give advice on doubles, especially natdex doubles maybe @cerulean aspen or @spice peak can give more thoughts? gut instinct from someone who doesnt play a ton of doubles is that you seem to be committing to sun but then have some weird picks like gyara or aggron-m which don't synergize with it.

cerulean aspen
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give me 10

frigid geyser
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Oh right should give some more context. Its a league of twelve. Theres 1 snow team, one sandstorm, a rain team, two tailwind teams, two sun teams incluiding me. everyone else is running trick room

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In case this helps

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misty plumeBOT
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frigid geyser
warped tree
# frigid geyser

Where’s mega zard y? Was it taken or banned? If it’s not I’d rather have him than torkoal

frigid geyser
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Banned

frigid geyser
frigid geyser
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Wait zard x isn’t a bad idea tbh

warped tree
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Plus it lets you have an indirect sun Mon

frigid geyser
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One that’s also not nerfed when it’s down

warped tree
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Yeah, it also gets breaking swipe so that’s a win in my book

frigid geyser
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With sun up don’t even need to run flare blitz tbh. Fire punch is 220 Bp neutral worrywhirl

frigid geyser
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Dd, FP, d claw/BS, and Brick break or crunch for coverage is definitely good for this league

warped tree
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It does also get belly drum lolllll

near oyster
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What do u think

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I did bring the torn in just cus it can go crazy and help pivot with u turn

rancid kestrel
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the thundurus, you mean?

cerulean aspen
frigid geyser
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lol all good

near oyster
cerulean aspen
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okay quick glance

frigid geyser
near oyster
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I’m not really sure what sets to really run on some of these mons Ngl

cerulean aspen
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I'm not a huge fan of hard sun in general, especially with the top end offense only being Torkoal and Walking Wake

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@frigid geyser do you have the doc link?

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I am also def not a fan of 3 grass types

rancid kestrel
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does oger need 252+? surely you're just trying to pressure 252 stail in which case you only need to hit 321
does moon with yache survive anything worth the item slot? i cant say id expect the calcs to be favorable ngl
whats overheat for on geezing

cerulean aspen
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Gyarados + Walking Wake is very redundant esp on Sun, I would look to get a good TR setter (you have good redirection in Bonnet + Electabuzz)

near oyster
cerulean aspen
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looking at what's available I would def drop Gyarados Zoroark Aggron Lilligant
I'm actually a really big fan of Slither Wing on Sun, especially if you can get Tailwind (how much is Cottonee?)

near oyster
cerulean aspen
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hm okay cottonee is gone that makes things harder

near oyster
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I mean yache berry does indeed help vs the pao

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Makes it so I don’t just get 1 tapped

frigid geyser
frigid geyser
cerulean aspen
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I think this could be interesting to look at

frigid geyser
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necrozma?

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Also minimum is 11 mons

cerulean aspen
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with Torkoal you want a strong Trick Room setter

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and yes that is 11 mons with 5 + 1

frigid geyser
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gotcha

cerulean aspen
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of course if you want to you could go with something else

rancid kestrel
frigid geyser
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but also isnt he just meant to be used for switching in for sun

cerulean aspen
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there are tera captains

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???

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VGC with tera captains???

frigid geyser
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yea three per team

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with three types each

cerulean aspen
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okay
Necrozma Walking Wake Slither Wing

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Necrozma Psychic / Fairy / Fire
Walking Wake Water / Fire / Ghost
Slither Wing Bug / Fire / whatever

near oyster
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But aside from the speed on on oger which I fixed already u think it’s usable

cerulean aspen
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okay round 3 dengo

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we're trolling in this

frigid geyser
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😭

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round one peliper

cerulean aspen
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yes this is a bit mickey

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I think this is definitely workable

warped tree
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Ok I need some help with my team we finished drafting today and I just got my opp

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cerulean aspen
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so much redirection + good setup in DD Maero + Necrozma

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as well as solid TR mode with bonnet necrozma torkoal

frigid geyser
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So were keeping wyrdeer?

cerulean aspen
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yeah I mean no reason to drop it

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it's solid value

frigid geyser
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cuase idk what i was going with there

cerulean aspen
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you can try to slot in a cheap fairy over charizard or corsola

frigid geyser
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ig it has intimidate

near oyster
lofty sparrow
cerulean aspen
warped tree
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lol I guess this is my first ever draft but I feel I have the better sand core

near oyster
lofty sparrow
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no yeah you have a bunch of shit they just dont win against

frigid geyser
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between wake, aero, wing, and nec isnt that a lot of attackers without much for utility?

lofty sparrow
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nothing beats exca nothing beats mence

near oyster
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+1 mega Salamance just sweeps pretty sure after p2 is gone

frigid geyser
cerulean aspen
cerulean aspen
frigid geyser
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gotcha

near oyster
warped tree
near oyster
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Oh

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U still win

frigid geyser
near oyster
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SD EQ Rockslide

warped tree
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Yeah I thought so I was just gonna spam rockslide or eq

near oyster
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Jusy hits everything

near oyster
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I Lwk wanna play a vgc draft

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Just so I can troll

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With commander tatsu

warped tree
cerulean aspen
near oyster
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Ah

cerulean aspen
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which can click choice specs eruption in sun under TR

cerulean aspen
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all it does is force prep

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lots of haze, mirror herb skill swap, stuff like that

warped tree
# near oyster Ah

Yeah I was stoked to see Magmar at 1 point then learned it doesn’t get follow me in Gen 7 😭

near oyster
cerulean aspen
frigid geyser
near oyster
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I’m like 4 - 0 rn

rancid kestrel
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please try to keep this chat to actual RMT

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please take side track conversations elsewhere

warped tree
cerulean aspen
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cerulean aspen
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Eruption is really strong

frigid geyser
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Only problem i see is that there are a lot of other TR teams in the league. And it maybe crippling my other sweepers

cerulean aspen
# warped tree Ok I need some help with my team we finished drafting today and I just got my op...

ok this is VGC
mence sand vs koko is interesting, esp since they have no steel type! if you can get Drill + Mence in under sand that's basically gg. do watch out for Surge Surger Raichu as it can absolutely blow up any mon when it's under terrain, and contesting the first sun (zard y t1) is difficult. Rotom-Heat is a very important defensive piece here, as it resists everything from your opponent's top end bar Rhyperior, which can be handled by Lilligant or Azumarill

also, are all mons allowed to Z?

cerulean aspen
warped tree
cerulean aspen
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what are theirs?

frigid geyser
cerulean aspen
warped tree
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I think rotom blows zard up every time with electric crystal

frigid geyser
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got it. Thanks!

cerulean aspen
warped tree
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True

cerulean aspen
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and with Solid Rock Rhyperior can easily live some of the weaker hits from Lilligant / Azumarill (under Sun Azu probably does like half)
so careful of that!
Espeon does not look bad here at all, especially with a bulky CM Morning Sun set (they also have no dark type so mono psychic move is free)

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just be careful of their top end burst offense and you should be good!

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and make sure you have a way to check their TR mode, presumably a Taunt Tyranitar w/ Chople or Sash

warped tree
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I did draft lilligant solely for these Sun teams, however I don’t think I can get the sleeps off on this team

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near oyster
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I see what u mean now by

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Rock slide eq spam

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😭

cerulean aspen
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realistically all Mence needs here is a way to hit Koko + flying STAB + Tailwind (?)

near oyster
warped tree
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I gotta run calcs tmr for sure see just how much speed I need

near oyster
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DD EQ Heat Wave Protect

warped tree
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But I do plan on a tailwind set for mence

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So for my 6 from what I’ve gathered I’ll bring mence, Ttar, exca, lil, azum, and rotom

frigid geyser
warped tree
frigid geyser
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yea but to go with the sun

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only weakness becomes rock

warped tree
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Oh yeah if you’re going to go with rotom and you have sun prolly go heat

frigid geyser
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Some options got taken so this is what were going with. Should be fun

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misty plumeBOT
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warped tree
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https://pokepast.es/2a10a37dc03b1431 this is what im thinking move/team wise against my sun MU and im thinking of leading rockslide ttar with either aqua jet azumarill or after you lilligant

misty plumeBOT
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warped tree
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My opponent dropped some guys so this is his team now

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rancid kestrel
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your opponent can drop pokemon and it immediately comes into effect for the game they're currently preparing for...?

warped tree
warped tree
rancid kestrel
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ah... thats rough

warped tree
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yeah, but I dont think its too rough I can still swap up my game plan till we actually fight too

warped tree
spiral thunder
misty plumeBOT
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lofty sparrow
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surely u-turn over ghostium z + shadow force on dragapult is wrong

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and honestly idk what do u do if they get webs up

rancid kestrel
# spiral thunder https://pokepast.es/1abc9fdbdb9f3997
  • Why RP not Spin on Terap? What are you outspeeding at +2 that you need to allow hazards to go and stay up? Is Stored Power really the play into stuff like Darkrai, Haze Milotic, and Registeel?
  • Steel Wing on Pult for what, exactly? Surprising MDia on the switch or something? Doesn't seem particularly reliable. Agreed with rc regarding the Pult set. Don't like UTurn here, don't like no ghost STAB either.
  • Not sure I understand the Prim set much at all, the EVs especially.
  • What are you clicking Psychic on with Chi-Yu? Surely it'd help to have Overheat/FBlast to secure kills, especially with no SpA EVs (a mistake, surely, what is a defensive Chi-Yu even for?)
  • Scolipede is already ridiculously fast, only outsped by Cyc and Darkrai. You have Sash and SD, so you're obviously assuming you're at +1 Speed realistically by the time you're clicking attack buttons. So what's the big speed doing? I'd make sure you outspeed +1 Kart at +1 but that's not 252 Speed necessary, you can save a couple points there.
  • Agreed on the webs worry, but also like, your hazards generally speaking aren't great. I don't know why you're not bothering with hazards here at all, especially with no boots on Terap or anything like that. Seems like a recipe for disaster into GWeez/Regi/MDia, even Vikavolt.
kindred igloo
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hello, what draft document

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exists

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for drafting like types and shit

lofty wigeon
kindred igloo
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okay ty

frigid geyser
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My opponent this week

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misty plumeBOT
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frigid geyser
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Not really sure what to bring since its BO3 and we cant change builds in between

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So a surprise build really only works in one fight psyduck

rancid kestrel
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There's not going to be a ton of advice for Bo3 VGC, but I'm struggling to understand what their Indeedee is doing there, it seems kinda left on its own. You probably have the weather advantage, Torkoal can get slower than TTar, and most of their team is going to fold to your type coverage, I'd think.

warped tree
frigid geyser
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I can see it going two ways. He tries to keep sand up. He can trigger it twice first turn. Since he would mega evolve after torkoal overwrites. Or he just doesn't bother with it and decides to go all in on trick room

warped tree
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Whose his mega? Ttar?

frigid geyser
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yep

warped tree
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Yeah double sand t1 is a possibility, but you know Ttar isn’t av or scarfed or anything it’s just so bulky

frigid geyser
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Nah league rules. Have to mega immediately

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So no guessing about the item there

warped tree
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Right

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I would honestly go for a taunt on it if you can get away with it, ttars mega is pretty crazy if it gets ddance off

frigid geyser
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No guarantee he opens with ttar if he brings it. I personally found it better to switch in torkoal first turn after opening wake and lilligant while playing with the team online

frigid geyser
warped tree
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But you also have oricorio so if he dances you dance lol

frigid geyser
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yea. Its just wildly different what the threat is if he opens indeedee vs sand duo

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Honestly think Rotom might be the safest open. Trick can throw off a lot of things

warped tree
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Yeah if it’s indeedee sinistcha I’d garuntee its rage powder heat proof

frigid geyser
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Still dont think it tanks stab sun bosted eruption tho

warped tree
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all i did was swap the sinistcha from + def - spe to + spdef - spe

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but these are both the vgc sets from smogon dmg calc other than that

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oh wait forgot to take the tera off

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252+ SpA Charcoal Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 156+ SpD Occa Berry Heatproof Sinistcha in Sun: 88-105 (49.4 - 58.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO here it is un tera'd but with the occa berry it halves fire dmg so it could just be barely enough for him to be able to ohk with smth else

frigid geyser
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damn

warped tree
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that is very niche tho so I mean take that for what they are

frigid geyser
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Thinking choice specs or flame orb on rotom and just trick it on to excadrill

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TTar is immune anyway

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I think specs and running wisp is better

cerulean aspen
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they're literally forced to bring slowking if they don't want to instantly lose to wake tbh
and Slither Wing munches on this team asw

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Grafaiai can Prankster Sunny Day to get up Sun > their Sand

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also bring Clod for Kommo-o which is v scary if it boosts up

frigid geyser
olive geyser
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do you guys help out with VGC draft here?

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it’s for reg f

rancid kestrel
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Not really, no. Some folks try, but this is primarily for standard SV Draft.

olive geyser
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oh rip ok

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thx

cerulean aspen
olive geyser
misty plumeBOT
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olive geyser
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this is my first ever draft tournament so I kinda have no clue what I'm doing lol

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all I know is that thundurus-t looks really strong here

cerulean aspen
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and your opp has rain psyspam

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with a hydreigon a nd lando-t

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let me upload this to a prep doc

olive geyser
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ok thx

olive geyser
atomic tiger
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Is it too late to get into the draft?

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I want to join a draft tournament

rancid kestrel
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Hi, this is Draft rate-my-team, this isn't a tournament

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I'd recommend joining the Smogon Draft server for draft tour information

atomic tiger
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Ah ok mb

atomic tiger
rancid kestrel
atomic tiger
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Thank you so much!

olive geyser
cerulean aspen
random girder
misty plumeBOT
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# random girder

so um first off how does one get tera torn + tera bolt on the same draft 😭

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second off, deoxys just about shld win

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with psyterrain up to block that pesky prio options

random girder
jade solar
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and worst part is it's a bit anti-synergistic on their end

lunar needle
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So I got my next draft tomorow and I gotta make a comeback after my first week

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It was close but I still lost

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Here's the team I'm facing

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Here's the team I made for now

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Almost the entire opposing team has less spdef than def, so I'm running with more special attackers than usual, but still brought sandslash for the slush rush support if need be

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Feel very good about sableye if it lands its will o wisps, and overall good support as long as Mandibuzz doesn't come in, but if it does, I don't think it can do much so its not the end of the world

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However the Buzzwole, Mega starmie, and Pecharunt look very scary, especially the buzzwole

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Brought aeral ace on Sandslash just for it if it's low enough

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I also brought life orb instead of scarf or specs because of how little speed control they have and the fact I'll probrably be switching in and out most of the game but I can see the argument for booster energy

random girder
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I know there's not evs just getting the moves sorted haha

rancid kestrel
# random girder https://pokepast.es/496ac0230191ccb3

shorter ones since i'm juggling a bit sorry

  • Getting all of Torn-T Tera, Bolt Tera, and Genesect is bonkers, NGL. Your biggest redemption here is that they can't Tera both. Torn feels super alone here, yeah it benefits somewhat from rain but for the most part it doesn't have a lot of its normal partners here.
  • Your Lele should be a decent answer to their Torn, pre-Mega Gyara can help against MPert, Genesect does look like hell though. I can't say I understand your Tera Type of choice, what is it helping with exactly? Surely something like Grass is better if you're expecting no TornT, or Ground if you're expecting no rain?
  • Their team is going to be, if I had to guess Genesect, Bolt, Torn, Pert, Peli, and one more. No hazards there, not really at least. Pert is not running rocks, yknow? Overqwil can come for rain and do hazards and I guess Peli can run Defog?
  • What is Fire Punch for on Deo? Is SpD Pech the right approach? IG it's a Genesect/Torn answer?
random girder
rancid kestrel
# lunar needle https://pokepast.es/348a15392ceb698e
  • Their team's weird. A few good 'mons yes, but then it weirdly just falls off after a few. IDT Blace's all that great, so their good 'mons are MSTar, Chomp, Pech, and then... Ferro? Buzz? Mandi? I guess they're just very defensive here. So I do see the logic in your moves here.
  • Fix your Speed EVs, please. Lot wasted on IV and Sandslash Alola given that there isn't actually anything at 331 or whatever AloSlash reaches under Snow. If I'm you I want IV to outsped 252+ Garchomp (333) personally, hell I'd want it to outspeed 344 so you get the jump on 252+ Blace. But like, are you really going to get outpsed by 252+ MStar on Kilo? Seems like a mistake.
  • Can't say I'm thrilled about leaving behind Kyurem in this matchup, but I suppose I'm not sure what you'd leave behind to bring it if you're set on stuff like ASlash and Sableye. Not that these are bad picks but when you have no hazards or hazard removal they seem like strange inclusions to me. No removal at all when facing down Ferrothorn? I dunno that I load no hazard removal.
rancid kestrel
lunar needle
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And the speed stat is in case someone has a scarf

rancid kestrel
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252 Sandslash-A in snow hits 502 speed. The next fastest scarfer is Scarf 252+ Chomp, which hits 499. You at least have some EVs to save there.

lunar needle
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My team is hyper offensive and if there is only one hazards setter here with plenty of weaknesses, it might go down in 2 hits maybe 3

lunar needle
rancid kestrel
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And maybe you go +Speed to outpace 516, which is 252+ Scarf Blace (or 252+ Blace after one Speed Beast Boost).

lunar needle
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I doubt snow is gonna last that long

rancid kestrel
rancid kestrel
lunar needle
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But most of my team is weak to buzzwole and treads is probably gonna have a hard time positioning to rapid spin

lunar needle
rancid kestrel
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252 SpA Choice Specs Kilowattrel Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 176 SpD Ferrothorn: 177-208 (50.2 - 59%) -- 75.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
sets stolen from smogdex

lunar needle
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I would say nice, but it's very rng reliant

rancid kestrel
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definitely

lunar needle
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I only ran hurricane because there is literally nothing else to run

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Would be super viable if it only had more moves

rancid kestrel
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thats the kilo problem, yeah

lunar needle
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Treads get removal, slash gets removal too but idk if that'll work

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Actually rotom gets defog too

rancid kestrel
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I dunno, I am less scared of Buzzwole than you are, so Treads seems like an easy bring to me.

lunar needle
warped tree
rancid kestrel
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I know the Buzzwole stats? You have a Kilowattrel?

lunar needle
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I never asked

rancid kestrel
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This is not really a channel for conversations. This is a channel for team rating. The calc exists and you can do your own legwork into seeing things and how they work - asking for calcs is definitely not what this channel is for.

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252 SpA Choice Specs Kilowattrel Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Buzzwole: 732-864 (175.1 - 206.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

warped tree
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252 SpA Kilowattrel Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Buzzwole: 484-576 (115.7 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

lunar needle
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Oh wow

warped tree
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Without specs it’s still an ohko against max bulk buzz

lunar needle
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I'm just in a car so I can't exactly do the calcs here

warped tree
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252 SpA Kilowattrel Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Buzzwole: 328-388 (78.4 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Without specs plus av max bulk it’s 2HKO but i doubt they would invest that much into hp and spdef for buzz

lunar needle
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Fair enough

warped tree
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That’s just airslash too tho

lunar needle
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Ok I'll do hazards removal

warped tree
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Most kilos run hurricane so it would be an ohko if that hits anyways

lunar needle
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Question is who do I replace

warped tree
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Post ur team in draft help and ill see if I can’t help ya there

lunar needle
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Oh this isn't draft help?

warped tree
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Oh wait I thought this was in smogon draft general lol

lunar needle
warped tree
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Yeah what’s your team and who are you looking to add

lunar needle
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Just looking to add treads or some form of hazards removal

olive geyser
olive geyser
warped tree
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I’d run tailwind on watrel tbh

rancid kestrel
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This is Smogon Discord's Rate my Team for Draft

olive geyser
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rip

warped tree
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But slash does get rapid spin so I would prolly replace him for treads

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That would get rid of a 4x fire and 4x fighting weakness which blaceph and buzz would take advantage of

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because without haze politoed they have nothing really for dozo

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I was considering bringing munkidori because frisk is really nice but idk how useful it is outside of that

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the HP EVs are also optimized for hospitality/life dew healing

warped tree
lunar needle
warped tree
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Okay cool

lunar needle
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If it was doubles I would've been set a long time ago

warped tree
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Yeah choose if you want hurricane or air slash, then swap it for tailwind imo

olive geyser
warped tree
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You don’t necessarily need specs on killo so you could run smth else if you wanted to

lunar needle
warped tree
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But for sure replace slash with treads imo

lunar needle
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Actually

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I probably should just for the pecharunt

warped tree
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I didn’t realize slash got Ariel ace

lunar needle
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Yeah

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A secret trump card

warped tree
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But buzz usually builds physical bulk so I doubt it would do anything against it

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252+ Atk Choice Band Sandslash-Alola Aerial Ace vs. 252 HP / 124+ Def Buzzwole: 224-268 (53.5 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

lunar needle
warped tree
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0 Atk Buzzwole Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sandslash-Alola: 588-696 (202 - 239.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Yeah even with Ariel ace slash is donezo

lunar needle
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Oh definitely

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Lemme build treads rq

warped tree
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252 SpA Choice Specs Blacephalon Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Sandslash-Alola: 1708-2016 (586.9 - 692.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Blacephalon Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Sandslash-Alola: 312-367 (107.2 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

lunar needle
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@warped tree something like this?

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Iron Treads @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Quark Drive
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature

  • Rapid Spin
  • Earthquake
  • Stealth Rock
  • Ice Spinner
warped tree
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That looks good, if it’s singles you could go headlong rush instead doesn’t it do a little more dmg?

lunar needle
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I mean it does but it lowers defenses and I have a defensive build

warped tree
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I mean with you investing that much into it it would be ok and you can either sweep or pivot into glowking

lunar needle
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Gotcha

lunar needle
warped tree
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Ah ok I might be thinking of great tusk then

lunar needle
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Yeah

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He's more offensive

lunar needle
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Ok I think I'm ready for the battle

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Thanks for the help

lunar needle
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so last game didn't go so well so I gotta make some transactions for this team

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lunar needle
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Thinking mega galade for speed control

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Idk if you need the doc but I feel like mega darkrai is just too frail and too slow to be good in the draft

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rancid kestrel
# lunar needle so last game didn't go so well so I gotta make some transactions for this team

Things I would look into fixing if I had your draft

  • Your hazard game could be stronger for a 10-mon draft. Your removal is sorta just Treads, and your setting is Treads+ASlash, sorta. Like, yeah, you have other means of removal/setting, but it's hard to see Frosttom getting something off, or Glowking regularly running TSpikes. It'd benefit you if you had another reliable removal, and ideally, another spiker.
  • I don't like that you have a dip between 106 Treads and 95 Kyurem. That seems not ideal to me, a lot in that range which can devote EVs to defense stats. It kinda is rough that the 100 benchmark is entirely absent in your team.
  • You have no real fire or dragon resistance. Floatzel doesn't have the reliability to bring every time you face something that can spam Fire-type attacks, and Treads doesn't have sustainability you need to take on Dragons. Fixing the dragon weakness is probably more important.

I really do feel like Sableye, ASlash, MDark(based on your motivation to get MGall I think you're okay dropping this), Floatzel, and Kilo are all able to be tossed. Not that you have to toss all of them, but if you're looking for points, for example, I don't think you'll miss much giving up Floatzel for example. I think your other 'mons are either good overall, or have good things for your specific team (Frosttom removal and ground immunity, Glowking Kyurem synergy, for example) to be worth keeping around.

What you take is going to depend on your motivation, what you want out of a Pokemon, and what you're comfortable with. I like Mega Gallade here, though it obviously doesn't solve any of the issues I mentioned really. But those are the things I'd be looking at when patching holes in your team.

lunar needle
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warped tree
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My week 2 matchup does anyone have any advice? I’m the salamence team

rancid kestrel
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this is vgc, right?

warped tree
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Yes

rancid kestrel
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ill do some generalized thoughts at some point but im not sure youll get a ton of vgc help in this channel unfortunately

warped tree
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It seems very tailroom esque but I can’t rmb if Zapdos gets tailwind or not

lunar needle
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Wait I got you

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I am way better at VGC than singles

warped tree
lunar needle
warped tree
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No this is USUM vgc

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So zapdos does get tailwind so it is a tailroom team with cresselia

lunar needle
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Oh right, the Megas

warped tree
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Natdex doubles would include megas I believe

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So ur not off

lunar needle
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You could bring rotom for the early game burns, or at least the pressure

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Obviously bring salamence

warped tree
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I am thinking this is gonna be a taunt Ttar game or imprison Espeon

lunar needle
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Wait I forgot that's your team

warped tree
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Yeah I plan on using the tw mence set

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Could go sunny day riolu and sleep powder lilligant for the memes too tho lol

lunar needle
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Coaching riolu for salamence too

warped tree
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Heck yeah

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Sunny day/ coaching/ follow me/ circle throw or bullet punch

lunar needle
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If you really wanna be toxic, maybe use a follow me mon and belly drum

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Idk if riolu learns follow me

warped tree
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If I really wanna be toxic I’ll go toxic on riolu instead of circle throw

lunar needle
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Make a pokepaste rq and I'll see if it can work

warped tree
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I’m a bit busy but I’ll make one sometime today and ping u

lunar needle
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gotcha

lunar needle
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I think this could work, I still want to keep sableye because it's just a good prankster mon with a good typing

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Has the hazards that I need with samurott, increase the defense stat a lot, has the water fire grass core, and good damage

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Oh and the fairy resist

rancid kestrel
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Can't say I'm a huge fan of dropping Treads and Val for what look like mostly downgrades to me, but it's not the end of the world

lunar needle
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Mega galade has less flexibility, but has a more powerful role that he can play

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And donphan I admit is a big downgrade, but still has the same roles as iron treads

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Dracovish is top 3 mons so I have a soft spot for it, and the damage is insane

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Venusaur is good with thick fat, so has a couple more resistances

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plus fairy resist

rancid kestrel
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Listen, it's not like, a Bad Decision. It's not one I'd make, but if it makes the tour more fun for you and you get to play with mons you enjoy like Dracovish, go for it

lunar needle
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Because I don't have many choices to go with how many points I have left

rancid kestrel
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id prob drop darkrai floatzel kilo, pick up mgall, then with the 8 remaining points grab like, quagsire or bronzong or smth

lunar needle
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Max is 11

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Sorry if I didn't mention it before

rancid kestrel
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then doublade/dhelmise/claydol and a 2pter

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again. this is just what my approach would be

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doesnt have to be yours.

lunar needle
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Not a bad idea

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Actually what does dhelmise do, I've never used it

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Looks interesting

olive geyser
lunar needle
olive geyser
olive geyser
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my logic is that they’re probably gonna bring their rain mode because it’s the only way they can deal with dozo

pale pike
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Hey, I'm new to the scene and want to join a vgc draft league. Anyone know of any leagues looking for someone to sign up?

rancid kestrel
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thx

lofty wigeon
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if you can trade

spare relic
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Pool 14 btw

rancid kestrel
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At a glance at the Fairy section of the Role guide (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-low-tier-draft-role-guide.3766082/) it definitely seems like cheap fairies arent exactly top tier. Granbull and Florges exist as "eh, alright" cheap options, and if you're willing to inevest a fair bit of your remaining budget, something like Diancie or Florges exist. As for removal, Toedscruel is still around but compounds the Ice weakness you're building, but any Defogger ATP will as well. You could get a Hitmon_, potentially?

spare relic
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But like Maushold+one of the top fairies(hatt, enam) is going to leave me at 5 points

rancid kestrel
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Yeah, not super sure that's a really comfortable place to be. But I also think that Maushold has the potential to force an annoying angle in prep, though it being your primary removal likely means that said prep will usually come to be valuable, kinda diminishing Maushold's "bench presence" value. OTOH, top removal either pressures your Ice weakness worryingly (something to consider with Enam) or just isn't top, yknow?

spare relic
rancid kestrel
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Those angles make sense to me

pale girder
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So I chose iron valiant for my first pick in my national dex draft how can I plan for my second pick

rancid kestrel
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You have a lot of options, but I would pick up first and foremost another big breaker - something to finish the job that IV starts, or something to set up a sweep that IV then can finish.

pale girder
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Your opinion on Salamance?

rancid kestrel
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It's probably worse in ND than it is in Draft given addition of the Tapus and other stuff but it's certainly not unusable.

pale girder
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You see I’m pretty new to this so like it seems the smogon page recommends volcarona or salamance but on their own pages it seems they can struggle in a lot of areas

rancid kestrel
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To be fair, no Pokemon doesn't struggle. But yes, IV as a very expensive option is going to suggest middle-of-the-road Pokemon like Volc or Mence - Pokemon that can do damage but shouldn't be the primary breaker/sweeper of a team.

pale girder
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And how do I find out who to choose as my primary sweeper

rancid kestrel
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You picked Iron Valiant?

pale girder
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Oh that’s the primary sweeper? 😅 smogon listed it as an endgame cleaner which I thought was diifferent 😭

rancid kestrel
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These can be the same thing, yeah. Primary sweeper isn't a formal term, it's just the like, most expensive first pick (when said pick is an offensive mon) that puts out the most pressure

spare relic
# rancid kestrel Those angles make sense to me

Update ended up going the comfey/maushold route. Learnt that Tera comfey+tera Lokix is just one Tera point over the limit so I just settled with Tera maushold. 12+9=21 so that should just leave me with 7 points. My main choice is ending it with misdreavus+tera dipplin but like if misdreavus gets sniped I will probably need to up my game on a ghost type.

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So no space for dipplin

rancid kestrel
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Is Dusclops not an option?

spare relic
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I’m still thinking misdreavus might be more ideal since levitate will make my tspikes MU a bit better

rancid kestrel
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Oh for sure but just as a "oops it got sniped" option so you don't have to give up Dipplin

spare relic
rancid kestrel
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Makes sense

pale girder
olive geyser
spare relic
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Yea got everything I wanted in my LT draft, thoughts? Probably need to worry about lack of grounded poison to removes Tspikes and a natural fire resist. Good thing Tera is a thing.

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rancid kestrel
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Definitely not a bad team. Gut instinct is that you might have some trouble with strong physical attackers in matchups where Bronzong isn't a good response, but I suspect Comfey and Missy can maybe carry their own weight there.

spare relic
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Also screens shocks looks pretty strong for my team

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Zong can give role compression for games where I want to bring offensive sandy shocks

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Dipplin is also insanely bulky with eviolite

pale girder
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I’m super sorry for my lack of knowledge but I’m looking at pokemon that support iron valiant in draft, such as volcarona and salamence, but they are listed as like round 5 picks. So is it better to save them for later rounds and find something else or do I focus on supporting iron valiant even if those are listed as later picks.

rancid kestrel
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I would not pick them now if you're going for them, no. Can you link your board? There may be just better options that would go earlier that may not be directly recommended on the SV analysis but may be of value to pick up as your second pick.

pale girder
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Also I’m using other format national dex

rancid kestrel
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Pokemon I would consider worth getting: Landorus-T, Landorus-I, Mega Latios, Zapdos, Melmetal

pale girder
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Okay we start with 100 points and I already chose iron valiant for 19 do you think landrous T for 18 is manageable?

rancid kestrel
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Yeah.

pale girder
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Thank you

lofty wigeon
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0-3 on the year not sure what i'm messing up,

Traded Spectier (No Nasty Plot) for Iron Val any other changes i should make ?

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I wanted to help to know if this team is okay.

I wanted to add a mythical Pokémon to it and I believe the best option is replacing Zoroark. The mythical Pokémon I have in mind are Magearna and Marshadow (but if you have a better one, that's fine too).

And also, I wanted to know which Pokémon I should use with the tera type.

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I'm thinking of adding Magearna and, instead of Zacian, adding Miraidon (I can only use 1 legendary).

lofty sparrow
golden mica
lofty sparrow
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Your format isn't Draft then

golden mica
lofty sparrow
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what format is this for

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it looks like National Dex Ubers but im not sure

rancid kestrel
lofty wigeon
rancid kestrel
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If you like that idea I don't think it's an outright bad idea. I think between Pult IV and Keld you have a pretty reliably offenisve core, Meow's obviously good but I think another defensive 'mon can be helpful. I obviously don't know the reasons you lost but based on the roster I'm guessing a fair bit of it is being unable to take hits, which Rilla could definitely help with

lofty wigeon
lofty wigeon
rancid kestrel
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I dunno that I would take that trade personally but it isn’t such a ripoff as to be fully unjustifiable

random girder
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dry sandal
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hai hai doing a first draft with friends and want to make sure I ain't embarrassing myself since I'm the least competitive amongst us. Its a 65 point draft, my first picks are left side. Thank you for any help

scizor 14

glimmora 13 - swampert 13 - azelf 12

gardevoir 11 - sylveon 9

rattata 1

ursaluna 13 - landorus therian 15

raikou 13 - kilowatrel 8

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Scizor I have already picked cause it's my favourite mon

rancid kestrel
# random girder Just got into grace any suggestions on who to drop and who to pick up. Its a za ...

I'm not really going to give specific advice here, but I'm going to give my thoughts on the team as a whole.

  • I don't like that you don't have Spikes here at all and that you only can set SR with Barbaracle and Excadrill. Maybe it's just a matter of the board or whatever, and you have pretty good removal, but hazard setting is really rough for you.
  • Your speed is not good. Capping out at 110 is not it in SV, and your lack of strong Scarf options/speed control beyond like, Rapid Spin Exca or Shell Smash Barbaracle means that you're going to struggle to be dealing damage before you take damage.
  • I'm not actually sure what a lot of these 'mons do for you. What really is Houndoom bringing to the table, for example? Toxtricity? Meganium? There's a fair bit of space here that I wouldn't call wasted, but like, past your top 3 picks, maybe include Florges, what's really reliably bringable for you? Nothing really.
  • I dunno why Dragonite is 19. That's bonkers to me. Is it free Tera or something, is that why?
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rancid kestrel
dry sandal
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sorry bout that

rancid kestrel
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This is a private document that isn't accessible.

random girder
dry sandal
rancid kestrel
rancid kestrel
random girder
dry sandal
spare relic
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For the draft

dry sandal
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number 4

rancid kestrel
spare relic
rancid kestrel
spare relic
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Also need to consider grabbing a good steel type, poison types, secondary forms of hazard setting and removal, etc.

Doc is really weird so I can only give like surface level advice

dry sandal
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true but I'm kinda put off by things over 15 due to our point limit, I was kinda thinking a more rounded team could work better

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other than rattata, who is there to free up points and funny

dry sandal
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I'm not looking to make like the most ultra competitive team, just something that's good and won't screw me over really

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this is my first foray into anything "competitive" with pokemon so my knowledge ain't all there

rancid kestrel
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Points count is definitely low, especially for a 10-minimum league. I'd grab Zarude here as a Tera Captain, and then Qua gives some good advice

dry sandal
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I see I see, would Scizor not be fine as my steel type? He's already locked in

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I'm considering Glimmora as my set up mon too

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if I dont get it then Swampert cause it can also do really good battle outside of set up

rancid kestrel
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Scizor's a fine steel-type, yeah. Glimm and Pert are good hazard setters, but keep in mind hazard removal's important and Glimm can kinda struggle there.

dry sandal
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here's my current team theory thingo to save a scroll up

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scizor 14

glimmora 13 - swampert 13 - azelf 12

gardevoir 11 - sylveon 9

rattata 1

ursaluna 13 - landorus therian 15

raikou 13 - kilowatrel 8

dry sandal
rancid kestrel
dry sandal
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one plan, the ones with multiple are just in case I don't get the one I want in the row

rancid kestrel
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Given how limiting the point system is I'm not super sure I can give a ton of advice on the planning front, other than to recommend against planning so far ahead in such specific ways. For example, 15pt Lando-T should be taken way before it gets to you at that round.

dry sandal
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I see, should I try for lando-t before glimm then maybe?

rancid kestrel
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I'd personally be seeing 15pt LandoT as a worthy early pickup if possible.

dry sandal
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gotcha gotcha

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do you think the planned team I have there is decent considering the restrictions and whatnot?

rancid kestrel
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I can't really know, because the limited budget means standard SV knowledge isn't super beneficial here. I will say that your planning doesn't look bad, like it doesn't strike me as something where I'd want to wipe everything clean and start again. I think Gard/Sylv and Raikou/Kilo are probably not what I'd do personally as they don't seem to add much of value to your team, but they're also not bad Pokemon.

dry sandal
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hmm I see I see, I went for gard/sylv to have something to deal with dragon type mainly tbh and raikou/kilo were tbh just cause I wasn't fully sure what to pick but I do know my friends like their flying types

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unfortunately my competitive knowledge is pretty limited so idk what other mons to pick to account for dragon or what to switch electric for tbh

lofty wigeon
dry sandal
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at least that's why I think it's there

lofty wigeon
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Zarude with open tera at 15 points is wild

dry sandal
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what makes Zarude so good if you don't mind me asking? never seen or used it before

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only came back to pokemon revently

lofty wigeon
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it's typing is awful to start, but once you have a good tera on it it's bulky af Jungle healing makes it stay alive and never have a negative status

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Torn T is also another horrifying tera captain

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it's worth the 19 points

dry sandal
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I see I see, it's kinda hard to put together a good team with the point limitations which is kinda what we're going for

lofty wigeon
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do you have a min amount of mons you need to draft or just 6?

dry sandal
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I don't believe so no

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tho I already have scizor locked

lunar needle
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So unfortunately I gotta stick with the team I had before for just one more game, what's the gameplan

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Their team

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lunar needle
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Here's mine

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Here's what I'm thinking

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crimson mantle
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Koko medi and lolan raichu obviously come

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Zygarde too

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Debating on my last 2 members

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Maybe skarmory and wiggly tuff just for hazards + wish support

random girder
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My for today

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No regen on hooh

rancid kestrel
# lunar needle https://pokepast.es/a5bb639127e73ab5
  • You're missing four EVs on Sandslash-A.
  • You're wasting Speed EVs on IV. What's it speed tying with to make it need 252+, yknow? Like the next slowest is STail at 111 and the next fastest is Dugtrio at 120, so either you're trying to hit 354 to outspeed 252+ STail, or 340 to outspeed 252 Dugtrio. I don't see anything slower that could be relevant Scarf/boosts-wise where you'd want specifically 252+. I'm also not sure why it's CB here, to be totally honest, what are the kills it's getting specifically for?
  • You have a pretty bad weakness to MDelph here, you have no fire-resists on your team. Fire Blast is a 3hko on your Kyurem, which is like, maybe manageable if that's all Kyurem ever does, but if Delphox ever switches out suddenly you're in a situation where you take a FBlast on the next time it's in and then go down to the follow-up FBlast. At least Glowking has regenerator, but what's it doing back to MDelph in return? And it has to be responsible to set up Aloslash elsewhere in the game? That worries me. I have to assume Dugtrio can't trap if it's worth 2 points, but like, if it can, that's even worse.
  • No removal into this team might actually work, STail can set rocks and I guess in theory Dugtrio can too (lol), but I'm not sure that running Sash and absolutely zero removal is a super safe idea.
  • What's Wisp for on Darkrai? You're never getting it on Shifu, it outspeeds you and deletes you (Jolly is a coinflip with CC when you're at 100%) before you can even try to burn it, surely you don't think they're raw switching it in on you?
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Is this VGC or singles?

rancid kestrel
# random girder My for today
  • 110 to 90 is a pretty rough drop in Speed, especially since all their 90s and 80s can't really justify 252+. Fini can Scarf, I guess, but they don't have very exciting speed control either other than an unmotivating Electrode. You're going to have a fun time not investing much speed at all in some of your 'mons, though Meow should probably still try to outspeed 252 Zama. Though you can be greedy and ignore that in favor of a buncha defense, but it won't help v. Zama itself.
  • Pecharunt makes Oger-W's life hell, but like, its not like their bench options are stellar. Zama, Ho-Oh, Terap, Fini, obvious brings, then presumably it's going to OgerW, but then what? MSteel for the defensive profile which kinda looks not good into most of your attackers? Electrode for the speed and a fear-inducing 80 SPA? AMuk seems like the best option here, if only to stuff Meow and Lele.
  • Masq's useless here. They have incredible removal between Defog Ho-Oh and Spin Terap, even if their actual setting is meh. Spikes Oger might be legit here since it can just ignore Pech switching in every time it's around. I'm also not convinced this is Persian's time to shine, sure it has a nice speed tier all things considered but 70 Attack is going to hit like a paper bag into Ho-Oh/Zama/AMuk/Steelix.
  • Hawlucha actually looks reasonably good here if you can get Zama's defense boost wasted. Meow and Deoxys as always are real scary, though Meow has to worry about Zama obviously. Scarf Zama seems bonkers here, but if you see it come in on Deo after a kill be aware.
  • I maybe leave behind Lele? I'm struggling to see what it really accomplishes here, I guess it can hit Zama for SE and it sets up terrain for Hawlucha, but Lucha outspeeds most things already and can get White Herb for the Unburden? But maybe you leave behind MGyara, it seems not fun into most things not named Ho-Oh (and even Ho-Oh it's terrified of burn from Sacred Fire).
crimson mantle
pale girder
rancid kestrel
# crimson mantle Singles
  • They have a lot of Ground weaknesses, and their resist is a Celesteela who gets messed up by TArrows anyway. They also are weak to Electric, but they have a Lele to turn off your Surge Surfer. Don't really think you can take advantage of their Steel or Water weaknesses. IG Crown for the former?
  • I don't like their speed tiers. 135-108-95 leaves a lot on the table, and Ape's not even that good of a 'mon usually. You don't really have a switchin to it, though, Wigglytuff I guess but that can't be real.
  • Their removal is exclusively Defog on Empoleon. If you can shut down that, you can hazard stack with Skarm. Though they can stack you back with Lu and even if you bring Tsareena you don't ever remove on Pech.
  • They bring Pao Lele Pech Lu for sure if I'm them. Final 2 mons to me are Ape Steela, and they just use a buncha Boots, but Empoleon could come here over... Steela, IG?
  • If I'm you I bring Koko MMedi Crown Zyg Skarm, and then the final mon is like, Tuff maybe? Raichu? Unsure. The problem is just how you switch into Pao or Ape and while I'm not convinced Tuff is the answer, maybe there's a world where you just out-offense them, yknow?
rancid kestrel
pale girder
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Thank you, I think I’m getting better at this 😜

frigid geyser
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Last fight wasnt great. Mega ttar was hard to deal with. but this week looks more manageable

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spare relic
rancid kestrel
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It's VGC, yeah.

frigid geyser
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Definitely not planning to rely only on torkoal

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Two weather wars to start the league doom

lunar needle
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Is azurmaril considered a bulky water type?

warped tree
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I consider it so

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More spdef bulk tho

lunar needle
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could it fit on this team or should I consider toxapex?

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rancid kestrel
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I would pick Toxapex over Azu when considering the need for a bulky Water-type, personally.

lunar needle
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I think so too

warped tree
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Yeah pex would be more useful especially with the regenerator ability

lunar needle
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but glowbro also is a poison type and has simmilar weaknesses

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I have yet to do the transactions so I still have this week until everything is set in stone

warped tree
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I’d still go pex if it’s just between those 2

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You have darkrai so if you think it’ll be a psychic attack swap into him and just keep track of the future sight timer

lunar needle
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I'm benching mega rai

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or trading it off

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Hold on

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Dropping Mega darkrai (19) Alolan Sandslash (3) Floatzel (5), Killowatrel (9), iron treads (17), iron Valiant (19)

Mega Galade(20), dracovish(14), Donphan (9), Venusaur (10), Crocalor (3), Hisuian Samurott (16)

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This was the plan before I realized I had 6 transactions which wasn't allowed

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only 5

warped tree
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I’d absolutely go for a draconian rain team fisheous rend is great but idk how you play

lunar needle
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I go for all damage

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Dracovish is one of my favorites

warped tree
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I’d keep mega rai unless you swap it for another dark type

lunar needle
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It's just the weird speed tier

warped tree
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What’s its speed tier?

lunar needle
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brother

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Oh it's 85 so not bad

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but still lower than base rai

warped tree
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Yeah that’s fair but it’s still useable as a good slow pivot

lunar needle
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Goes from 125 to 85

lunar needle
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it usually gets 2-3 shot

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If there's a team that makes darkrai work I'll gladly take it but for now I only have 5 transactions and I have to make it work

warped tree
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You could prolly run smth out of ordinary on rai

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Dark void/hypnosis
dream eater
Substitute/protect/willow wisp
Icy wind/ shadow ball/ dark pulse/ hex

lunar needle
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Low accuracy moves

warped tree
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Only the sleep moves

lunar needle
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Actually hypnosis is better because it's 60% instead of the 50% from Dark void

rancid kestrel
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This isn't really a room for discussion about Pokemon use and value, this is a space for RMT chat. Please take discussion about Pokemon theory elsewhere

lunar needle
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Honestly there should be a draft channel dedicated just for that instead of a RMT thread

rancid kestrel
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There's a whole server!

misty plumeBOT
lunar needle
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Wait what

rancid kestrel
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Check out the Smogon Draft server

lunar needle
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I thought this was the draft server

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Yeah that makes a lot of sense

rancid kestrel
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This is the Smogon server, there is a server for Smogon Draft.

lunar needle
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My bad

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Thanks a lot

pale girder
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rancid kestrel
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Gonna need better removal if you have a Volc. I'm also not super thrilled with your speed tiers at 100 upwards

pale girder
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Not quite sure what that means 👉🏼👈🏼

rancid kestrel
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Your hazard removal is weak. LandoT helps, sure, but it can't run Defog and SR every week realistically. You're going to need a good 'mon to handle both, but ideally if you can only get one, you really need better hazard removal given your team.

Additionally, 116 IV to 100 Volc is a lot of empty space on a speed ladder, and 116 your fastest is rough in ND. I'd look into getting something around 108-110 Speed and then something around base 125-120

pale girder
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So a pokemon with a base speed 120 or higher? And another hazard setter?

rancid kestrel
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If those are your priorities, sure, but I'd sooner prioritize removal and 108-110

pale girder
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Is cinccino okay? It has tidy up and 115 speed

rancid kestrel
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I don't see it as good removal and it's not a good speed tier for you but if you want it by all means

pale girder
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I just have a hard time figuring out what I need lol. So should I be looking for a pokemon that has ~110 speed AND is a good hazard remover or two seperate pokemon one of each role

rancid kestrel
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I would recommend them being seperate Pokemon, yes

pale girder
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Alr time to research

rancid kestrel
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This'll be different than your league @pale girder but it may be useful regardless: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-natdex-draft-role-guide.3761184/

Smogon Forums
Resource - SV NatDex Draft Role Guide

This post will be an explainer of the concept and a guide on how to read the document. Lists are contained in subsequent posts. Click here for the CTRL+F section.

Welcome to the NatDex Draft Role Compendium! If you've ever found yourself with 30 points and realized you were missing removal, a...

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alright thank you

pale girder
rancid kestrel
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Bee's not a bad pick, a bit frail though. Didn't realize it got Defog, not gonna lie.

pale girder
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Soo in your opinion should I drop sticky web and search for a bulkier defogger or

rancid kestrel
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This is your team in the end, you should make the decision you're motivated by. I think that Bee's not a bad pick, and it's not like it'll be your sole removal w/ Lando anyway.

pale girder
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Okayyy I get you I just get scared of making a big mistake cause like I suck at this 😭

rancid kestrel
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The only mistake is to draft stuff you aren't going to enjoy, or actively draft something that can't win (all baby Pokemon or whatever). If you avoid those two things, nothing's unwinnable in Draft.

pale girder
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I feel like it would be pretty difficult to win with a full fire type team of physical attackers

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I guess the problem isn’t the pokemon then it’s just me not knowing how to play them lol

rancid kestrel
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Sure, but that comes with practice.

pale girder
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well im quite lucky and greatful to have you helping me

lunar needle
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Ok so I got my team almost set up but I need just one more change

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lunar needle
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I need to switch roselia for a 3 pointer and I have a couple of options

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I could also switch out whilipede but I'm not sure

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all I need is something of equal value

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this is the doc

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Thinking crocalor and thwakey possibly

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or togetic

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Oh definately crocalor

rancid kestrel
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Crocolar makes snese

lunar needle
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Ok FINNALY I'm done

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Now the fun part

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rancid kestrel
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You've shared the same team twice.

lunar needle
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Wait did I

rancid kestrel
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Both images are Zera LandoT Melm

lunar needle
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Oh wait

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There we go

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Idk how exactly to use Shaymin sky because the chances to flinch are inconsistent

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I gave it a lorb but I should probably use a yache berry just for the insurance I live a hit

rancid kestrel
# lunar needle https://pokepast.es/0b1d53320c69803b
  • Some quick thoughts because I'm sick. Kinda don't like their speed structure, 143-126-110-95 is rough in two very important regions, and it's not like Drapion really is running a ton of speed.
  • You can't really take advantage of their Rock, Ghost, Fairy, and Ice weaknesses, which is mostly unfortunate. Val is your big one here, though MAbsZ can chip in for Ghost stuff. Melm is their primary Fairy resist but that gets chewed up by CC?
  • I... don't understand this team? Why are Whirlipede and Crocalor here? They don't exactly have a ton of very scary boosters that would mandate Crocolar. And like, what is Whirlipede here to accomplish? Removal against weak setting, and an Infestation that isn't actually going to get anything KO'd because it doesn't have the defenses for it? Can't say I'm thrilled to leave behind stuff like ITreads or MAbsZ for them.
  • Take a look at your speeds. Why does IV need 252 (hits 331) when the next fastest 'mon is either hitting 350 (Lati 252+) or 319? Either you want to outspeed 252+ in which case drop your EVs and add +Speed until you hit 352 (this, IMO, since 252 Talon hits 351) or you drop down to 320 and save EVs that way. Same with Kyurem (prob wants to hit 424 to outspeed 252+ Zera since 252+ Scarf Drap surely isn't real) and Skymin (are you sure you want to be slower than Talonflame...?)
lunar needle
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And also I don't really want to be in the same turn as talonflame with shaymin

spare relic
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Want some tips in an upcoming match: Me(40kultra) vs DJS. Curious how I navigate the priority thing with indeedee being a real option to bring here. Still think kix is good here though

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Standard lt draft

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Looking to bring comfey too but possible psychic terrain won’t let me use triage draining kiss. So I might be forced to run speed investment if that’s the case

rancid kestrel
# spare relic
  • I like your team more than theirs. Your top end (Shocks Torn Lokix) is better IMO than theirs (Hoodra Flygon Alo) and your gimmick picks require more prep than theirs do for you - Mandi or Hoodra have to be Helmet (IG like, Swalot can be, but Swalot shouldn't come) for Maus, and their removal both not liking Missy (Mandi's not so scared but has to run FPlay to do anything back, and Thunderbolt is annoying for it) is more useful than, say, oh that's an Unburden Hitmonlee, yknow?
  • If I'm them, I drop Swalot, I don't like it into Shocks/Zong, and the rest of their team otherwise are all reasonable brings. Lee maybe less so, into Torn Comfey Bronzong, so that's maybe their second leave behind. Everything else of theirs seems useful, put a Scarf on Flygon, a Helmet on Hoodra or Diancie (Buzz needs boots), Indeedee messes with Comfey...
  • For you, I don't see a ton that Dipplin provides here, your other two mons want the Tera real bad and then you're sitting ducks for their dragons and Diancie. I'd also consider leaving behind Missy, unless you want that to be your Flygon answer? But I think Comfey's the Flygon answer. But with me expecting Lee to not come, I don't see Missy being super valuable here.
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  • Your speed control is usually not going to be Scarf here, you could maybe Scarf Torn given that their setting is somewhat limited and a 'mon that opens itself up for switch-ins? But otherwise your speed control is like, FImp, Triage, and to an extent Tidy Up. Shame it doesn't end terrain. Expect Scarf on Flygon, maybe on Torn. Watchout for PJab on the Comfey switchin, but it's hard to see what they'd do for Bronzong realistically.
  • They have a slower team built on pivoting and tanking hits (buzz, alo, hoodra, flygon) - if you can disrupt that flow or take out one of their key pieces, you should be able to easier find opens. Something like itemless Maushold with Theif could weirdly undo their RHelm response if they only have one, at the cost of less reliable PopBombs? Might be an overcook, esp given they have Hoodra and Dia who are tanks, RHelm or not.
spare relic
# rancid kestrel - Your speed control is usually not going to be Scarf here, you could maybe Scar...

Hmm, almost aligns up with what I was originally. Going to need knock spam to help with the helmet spam between Mandi Hoodra mola Good thing my top 3 is strong enough for that.

Also I’m pretty confident indeedee might be a guarantee bring since it disrupts both comfey & kix

Also just curious how would I deal with Tera blast ghost Dd Flygon. Gon can easily get momentum here since it basically walls sandy shocks then maybe set up and hit everything with ghost blast. Could be annoying especially if psychic terrain is up.

rancid kestrel
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IG my thought with DD Gon is that it kinda is rough to not have any actual "switch in and be faster" speed control vs stuff like Maus or Torn. Could consider berry on Zong, maybe?

frigid geyser
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Week 3 match up worrywhirl

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frigid geyser
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Don’t ask me how he got ghold, incineroar, and dnite

rancid kestrel
# frigid geyser Week 3 match up <:worrywhirl:889350845488050216>

Some brief thoughts since VGC isn't really the thing.

  • Yeah they hae those three but it comes at the cost of having much anything of value elsewhere. Clefairy can't be the only other usable 'mon. Incin also has way less value when you know it's coming and can dump Clear Amulet on your SWing or Lee - you actually don't have a ton of physical attackers which decreases the value.
  • It's gotta be Incin/DNite/Dengo/Clef +2 right? Cottonee seems like an easy bring since it actually has value in the context of Focus Sash Prankster or whatever (Clef's gotta have the Eviolite), but then what? Lanturn for the fire-resist? Camerupt? They don't have much of value elsewhere.
  • I'm not actually super convinced Incin's all that good when you see it coming, or into this team specifically given that your physical attackers are SWing, Lee and Lilli sorta, and then what, a couple of support 'mons in Graf Buzz?
  • If I'm them I do feel pressured to run Inner Focus on Dragonite, so I do feel like a SPA Boost Wake just wrecking town in the sun seems quite useful to me. Between Dragon/Water/Fire it hits everything of threat on their team for SE. And that's before stuff like SWing, Torkoal, Grafaiai, or EBuzz or whatever kick in to chip out. Their whole team is painfully offense which means they don't really have the tools to mess with you really - Cottonee can't change the weather on you, for example.
olive geyser
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eggy is actually super underrated

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but yeah lol

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you should also probably watch out for something with bellibolt/klef

rancid kestrel
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Sure, but it's slow and doesn't match up well into your team specifically btwn SWing and Wake

spare relic
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Maybe I should have positioned better, that future sight timing was not great on the trick room ending

frigid geyser
lunar needle
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rancid kestrel
# lunar needle This is the team I've thought about for this partners in crime draft. can this w...

I'm going to be so totally honest, PIC Draft is for sure something that nobody's going to be able to help with.
That said, depending on how PIC is coded, this kinda gimmick team seems potentially quite potent. I like the amount of disruption you have, as well, since that seemed important when I was captaining OMPL and watching my players' PIC games - you've got plenty between Incin, Clef, Talon, even stff like Ludi and Peli can do a bit of disruption. Seems like a good team to me, but again - PIC Draft is for sure not something anyone's going to know much of anything about.

kindred igloo
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i have the choice b/w r1 meow or tera torn-t

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which is better

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@rancid kestrel if you're active right npw

spare relic
rancid kestrel
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Both are fine, @kindred igloo and will depend on what you want elsewhere. You'll have legitimate team options with both picks.

kindred igloo
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alright ty

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went for torn

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i like having random tera

rancid kestrel
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Torn is the Tera captain FWIW

kindred igloo
spare relic
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Ik Lando-T is super free, but I was planning a different route

spare relic
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With Ursaluna bloodmon+empoleon+mimikyu

spare relic
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@rancid kestrel just a tiny bit of advice because like Lando-T is the obvious pick. Guarantee my R5 is going to be empoleon but I was thinking if it should be

Lando-T, empoleon, Hatt

Ursaluna bloodmon, empoleon, mimikyu and create a trick room angle

rancid kestrel
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you're never gonna see me advocate TR ngl, and i feel like BM's pros of damage output is kinda meh in the context of "oh we're also getting mimikyu, and btw we also have meow bolt" yknow? i like the landot emp hatt angle personally more than ursabm emp mimi, but i also think that the ursabm angle might be more fun to play with in builder? less sure about that

kindred igloo
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wondering if there exists an SV draft guide?

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round 1s, their partners, what to look for, etc

rancid kestrel
kindred igloo
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alright thank you

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can i discuss what i'm thinking of drafting here?

spare relic
rancid kestrel
kindred igloo
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many turns into the future here

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but ill do it anyways

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im thinking of doing
torn tinglu pech cyclizar slowbro + steel type of choice
if not cyclizar
then i was thinking like
torn tinglu pech forretress

  • water
rancid kestrel
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I wouldn’t think too far ahead but that team looks pretty good, though it might be a bit on the complex side to pilot

kindred igloo
rancid kestrel
kindred igloo
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i noticed

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cyclizar torn is a

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tried and tested core

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not sure if i like it

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but its cheap i guess

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and regenspam will be

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funny

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Yeah, it’s definitely good, but can be difficult to pilot (maybe that’s a skill issue on me)

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im gonna be

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pretty ass too

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but it sounds

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original

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most of my drafts are like

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Playing for a win and in to top 8 AND for my Ramp to be the MVP who is only one kill behind the current leader any tips ?

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Are they just Silvally free type, @lofty wigeon ?

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I believe it is their choice of Drive they use

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it's an 18 pointer for this Low tier

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So free? Gotcha.

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This seems like a bad Ramp match up unfortunately

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but i gotta try for mvp

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It is free tera too

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It is all drives i confirmed

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# lofty wigeon Playing for a win and in to top 8 AND for my Ramp to be the MVP who is only one ...
  • I can't say that I much understand the MVP desire stuff, to each their own but it seems rough here like you mentioned. Trick Room seems doable here, Webs doesn't seem useful since they have good removal. That'd be the angle I'd take?
  • Rhyp / Comfey / Jelli / Staka, then like, Shaymin Donphan support? Talonflame seems meh into Sylv/Jolt/Nido/Goodra, MAbsol exists I suppose but prob has a rough MU into presumably a Fairy or Steel Silv, Tauros, Nido, hell even Combusken.
  • If I'm them I bring Forre, Jolt, Nido, Goodra, Silv, and... Farig? Feels weird to leave behind Tauros, but I think into you they aren't super worried about speed control really. Basti can also come but I don't like it into your team personally.
  • I wish you luck getting kill leader Rampardos, could try Tera Ice and rely on not running into Tauros, since under TR none of the 'mons that switch into Ice-type are super motivated by getting hit by the standard Ramp ground coverage? Alternative is Tera Fighting and then be super scared of Nidoking and potential Fairy Silv.
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I like both, Ground you maybe struggle w/ Tsareena though?

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Good to know

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i got torn ting pech

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i need a water, spinner and steel

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40 points remain

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i think we could leave slowbro for later pick

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so steel and spinner (maybe both in forretress or steel + cyclizar)

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i could get corviknight as well

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please ping if you respond

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Copperajah or registeel? Light metal is kinda cool for registeel to take less damage from low kicks but copperajah is cheaper by 2 points

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got it thank you

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i was recommended

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cyclizar into metagross

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if its up

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alright, thank you!

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Makes sense

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So I have another draft with a natdex lower tier draft that I think could work, but might be lacking in bulk possibly. Is this true and should I switch some things around?

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This is the doc

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Nvm I missed the florges

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I'm just new at lower tiers so it looks worse than most teams in regular natdex

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I'm just worried about the pawniard pick

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It's a 1pt pick. You're unlikely to even ever bring it.

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There might be a problem with physical attackers too

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I only got haxorus and metagross for that

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cm ss sinis can do surprising work depending on the attacker

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fair

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Final SV team. It’s alright, at least with morgrem I’m not completely weak to weavile

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Missing the water fire grass core but it works

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a water?

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slowbro manaphy blastoise swamp tent primarina lapras ogerpon alo rotom bundle palafin are the remaining waters

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toise tenta gives you more removal, rotom prim and alo give you decent pivoting support, manaphy has a good speed tier, bundle is a pain to prep against, lapras exists. palafin's probably too expensive to justify

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idt you can really go wrong with what you pick @kindred igloo but id start worrying about your speed tier soons

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i got alo

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tera jolteon + tera emboar?

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Okay so this is my next opponent for sv low tier. After getting haxed in my first match I’m trying to bounce back

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Obviously top 3(gallade gweez entei) are going to be a problem. Gastrodon comes for sandy shocks. The problem is the other ones they seem kinda bringable in my eyes. Tsareena not so much because gweez is the main removal option but it’s still there. Inteleon is definitely threatening with tera, raichu is also fast has a lot of decent utility in healing wish Twave etc. think they bench copperajah since gweez already handles comfey and Gastrodon already sets hazards?

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# spare relic Okay so this is my next opponent for sv low tier. After getting haxed in my firs...
  • If I'm them, it isn't an easy decision who to bench. I honestly don't bring Tsareena, probably, it feels out of place here, doesn't have a great speed tier into you, and it's going to drain Tera demands vs stuff like Zong/Dipplin/Lokix/Torn that Inteleon probably wants.
  • That said, the second bench is probably Gastro in my eyes? Into a non-Tera Shocks, Balloon Raichu w/ Lightningrod is actually kinda a blanking response, and without a good response back to Electric spam from you, I think you can leave Gastro behind. I like RHelm on Copperajah for Maushold worries.
  • Inteleon/Entei(Scarf?)/Gallade(more likely scarfer, or like, Agility or smth) can handle the majority of offensive responsibilites. Raichu can be offensive for sure but otherwise I'm a fan of it with Balloon being a pest to Shocks, GWeez and Copperajah as the defensive backbone (beware a deceptively bulky Entei).
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  • Something you might want to consider is that they have no dark resistances beyond GWeez. You have a Tera Lokix. Consider how that plays into their Copperajah prep (Tera Fairy? How do they handle both Lokix and Maus?) as well as what they're going to be scared of. If you can be a UTurn pest forcing switches and such, a Scarf Lokix or something at the end of a game can clean up a team that lacks a strong response to TDark Knock spam or whatever.
  • They also struggle to resist Ghost, but I'm not convinced that Missy's super well positioned to take advantage of that. OTOH, they have a pretty solid Fairy resistance lined up, so they might not be as concerned about Comfey as you might be expecting them to be - Entei probably scares the living daylights out of it I'd think asd them, let alone GWeez like you mentioned.
  • You don't really have a water resistance, one good Ice Beam pred and then Dipplin's bit the dust and you're suddenly open to HPump/Snipe Shot spam from Inteleon. Bronzong can maybe be teched to tank hits there, but I'm not sure it realistically can do anything back or withstand consistent Specs pressure.
spare relic
# rancid kestrel - If I'm them, it isn't an easy decision who to bench. I honestly don't bring Ts...

Update: surprisingly they brought Tsareena, I guess that was their sandy shocks check with AV. I guess you were right about you were right about Gastrodon being benched.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9draft-2558497122-hcuqfdx92ft1ik5agx24a0r6wuq6f98pw

followed your advice on scarf Lokix. Helmet gweez was annoying as always but it did put pressure on the inteleon which was their biggest threat. Honestly didn’t play the best I kinda got lucky because of hax.

Though in terms of prep I think I did okay, substitute 3 attack shocks kinda ran through their team when Tsareena got chipped. Agility torn was a good late game cleaner. Maushold clicked super fang, hypnosis bronzong actually came in clutch for inteleon.

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good stuff, well done!

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Oh yea and dipplin is a fucking goat it walled inteleon and entei

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Did they not have Ice Beam? Or did you just use Tera on Dipplin

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Anyways this is my last low tier battle pool match. I can say that Lokix is super strong here but I have to be careful around Tinkaton.

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When are you scheduled for this? Unsure when I can put together thoughts and I don't actually know when the DL is scheduled for.

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It’s tomorrow later in the afternoon, GMT-5

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i'll do my best but i make no promises

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# spare relic Anyways this is my last low tier battle pool match. I can say that Lokix is supe...

I'm not going to find time, unfortunately, so just some quick thoughts without looking at a doc. Their speed tiers don't seem great to me, but maybe I'm misremembering Zoroark's speed tier? I'm also not thrilled with their removal or setting, Leav isn't coming to many games (esp not into Zong Lokix Dipplin), Whiscash/Tink can set SR I guess but Toise is going to find it hell to remove when facing Missy. Yes, Gallade is scary, and they have Zoro to mind-game you (which is their angle out of the Toise Missy hell) but I kinda don't see their angle otherwise here. If I'm them, I leave behind Leav and Kilo, I put Helm on Tink, and then try a Shell Smash Toise - +2 Surf 2hkos 252/252+ after two switchins of Rocks if the Zoro bait doesn't work. Tera Steel DD Whiscash (SR on Tink) and just avoid EP from Shocks which is scared of +1 EQ anyway. Gallade does Gallade things, Zoroark could be their scarfer? Tink and Glowbro defensive backbone.

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Got MVP and snuck into top 8

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Oh shoot didn't want that to happen

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no worries.

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i got a match up i can post tho

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Congrats! Will there be playoffs?

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Yep ! That's this week

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Here's my one match up

Donphan tera is fairy grass fighting fire and Toxapex is fairy dark

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Funny enough this is the only league out of the three i'm in that i'm missing playoffs lmao

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Uhh this is my semi finals match for my play offs season seems like a somewhat hard MU

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What do we think is worth bringing

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bellibolt

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# lofty wigeon Here's my one match up Donphan tera is fairy grass fighting fire and Toxapex i...
  • I don't like their team. I don't think Rilla+Lucha works in ND Draft well at all - they had all the Tapus to pull from and still went with Rilla? Their speed's rough, 135-110-95 (Lucha does not count) is not ideal at all, like that's so much free Meow EVs if you don't respect Lucha, yknow?
  • Their removal is basically solo Donphan. Their setting is basically solo Donphan. Okay, that isn't super fair, they do have two decent TSpikers, but like, you have LandoT+MSciz for removal, yknow? And it's not like Pult/Meow/Val are suddenly doomed if they're poisoned, it's really just Keld that wants to avoid PSN.
  • If I'm them, Rilla Hawl Donphan Kyurem +2. Pex Melm seems good to me as a defensive backbone, but leaving Moth benched feels odd. Mane's bringable too. Do they just give up on hazards and leave Donhpan behind?
  • I kinda like Red Card LandoT as a F-U to Hawlucha. Scizor can handle removal probably, I doubt Moth is the setter assuming it comes. You obviously bring your three musketeers (Pult Meow IV) and Keldeo (joke unintended but very amsuing to me), and then it's probably just Sciz as the last so Lando doesn't have to deal with both Pex and Lucha.
  • If you can figure out how to fit Comfey in, good stuff, but I'm not convinced it's great into a team that has Melm and Moth. Prob leave Keld behind if you bring Comfey, you trade Mane Kyu Rilla for Melm Moth and Pex sorta.
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# crimson mantle Uhh this is my semi finals match for my play offs season seems like a somewhat h...
  • I kinda don't see this as a very hard MU, NGL. Maybe my opinion will change by the time I'm done writing, but as I'm standing currently I'm looking at a team that has maybe six Pokemon worth of Pokemon, spread out across ten "somewhat okay" Pokemon. Like, in an SVND format, their only real big threat 'mon is Meowscarada. And they are forced to bring long a tera Bellibolt, sorry olivia.
  • Like, non-Tera Crown, Thundy-I, Nidoking, Arcanine, Grimmsnarl, Slowbro---these are like, all alright Pokemon, and honestly you should expect four of those to be what accompanies Bellibolt and Meowscarada to Team Preview (my guess is Crown, Nidoking, Grimmsnarl, Slowbro), but like, none of those are really fit for "second best mon on a draft" yknow? Meow's far and away their best 'mon, and then everything afterwards is scrabbling like crabs in a bucket for second.
  • Meanwhile, you have Ditto, which terrifies any screens setup that Crown might do, Pech which makes Meow's life a living hell, Tusk which stonewalls Thundy (what is it clicking?! zen headbutt? rd+weather ball?), Dragonite/MSciz/Oger/STail are just generically good mons that you won't regret having on a draft... It's a problem of what to leave behind, not what to bring. And you're saddled with an Arboliva, unfortunately.
  • If I'm you, I bring Arboliva + Pech + Tusk + MSciz + DNite +1, whatever you feel best with. I like STail personally, if only because I don't see a ton of offensive firepower on their team and I like a bulky balance team that's going to be a pain to break through when your opponent is mostly bringing third-rate Pokemon.
lunar needle
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So I have a draft match tomorrow and a lot of stuff came up, so I made this team in about 20 minutes. Obviously I'll fix the speed tiers tomorrow but can anyone take a look to see if there are any better options?
https://pokepast.es/7a2758e4cc041008

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chatot.

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not cool man.

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its doing its best

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# lunar needle

Quick thoughts I suppose since I was about to head for bed but you're playing your game tomorrow so rapid-fire round

  • Not bringing Kyurem when facing Garchomp feels weird. Like yeah I see Ice Punch on IV but.
  • Surely there's something better than Bite for Absol to run?
  • I don't like that IV can't touch Moltres. I'm more scared of it than Gastro, personally, and you just have nothing to click into it which is rough. Is there a world where you could drop Spirit Break? You'd only lose coverage against like, Horoark, I guess, but Illusion means you're never clicking it since you're always assuming it's a Overqwil or smth.
  • I'd make Washtom Scarf personally since that's a better Trick into stuff like Bronzong and Jolteon, but that's probably a fairly different set thn you had in mind.
  • Crocalor returns... For what, exactly? SD Terrak 2HKOs you w/ SEdge, Scizor never stays in anyway, I guess Garchomp?
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Fairy

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Thank you for the advice I appreciate it a lot

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But we gotta stop downplaying crocalor

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He goes well into garchomp

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Bronzong

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i might be stupid but how does crocalor do well into mega garchomp z isnt he a special attacker

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vWzf0sAdA10lHV36K6I-6XhRg8FXc2rCN_BmTcNDrHg/edit?usp=drivesdk hello im pretty new to competitive pokemon my friend invited me to play in their tournament but I had no idea what to draft other then a darkrai comp since darkrai is one of my favorite pokemon. My team is #9 and we have 5 free agents (point limit is 110). What should I swap and keep in mind? I think trick room might be an issue for me

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Oh and side note I’m going against team #10 on Wednesday so any advice is very helpful!

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# fleet ermine https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vWzf0sAdA10lHV36K6I-6XhRg8FXc2rCN_BmTcND...
  • Enjoy Draft, enjoy competitive Pokemon! That's the most important advice. That said, you've genuinely drafted a pretty good team, all things considered. I don't think there's any change that you NEED to make, to be entirely honest. It's not a particularly strong draft, mind you, a lot of your choices like Uxie, Metagross, and Breloom have found themselves less valuable in modern Draft because they just don't pack the same punch, but they aren't wastes of space either.
  • Your opponent has an odd team. It looks like they were trying to go for Rain with MPert, Kingdra, Seismitoad, even stuff like Corv and Scizor, but then just kinda forgot the rain setter. I don't immediately see an easy way for them to get rain going, either, so I'm not super sure what the angle they were planning here was.
  • That said, base Zama's real scary in Draft. Clodsire's a decent response to it, but I'd be worried about what it can do. Especially since Glimm can't keep up TSpikes against them due to Pex and Glowking, you're going to struggle a bit I suspect to get Zama KO'd. I'd bring Toxic on Clodsire personally.
  • If I'm them, I bring Zama Serp Hydrei, and then if they want some rain thing, three of their rain 'mons, and if not, Pex Glowking and one of Scizor/Corv.
  • If I'm you, I bring Darkrai Lu (one of these with the EVs and Chople to live a +1 Body Press from Zama, ideally) Uxie (probably your scarfer, unfortunate you're slower than their scarf Hydrei), Clodsire, and then two of Quaq/Mandi/Meta/Breloom, probably. Whichever ones you feel happiest with. Goal is to have fun, yknow?
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# random girder
  • What an odd team of theirs. This is the first I'm seeing of Floette-E, and it kinda doesn't seem worth it to me? They kinda lucked into you having like, Houndoom Toxtricity Florges w.r.t. special attackers, but like, doesn't Excadrill or MGall kinda just own this? IG it outspeeds Exca if you aren't in Sand.
  • But like, Garchomp/MGoli aside, where are their good Pokemon? If you say that Floette-E is their third best 'mon, what's their fourth? Gyarados? Crobat? Seems like a weak team when it comes to like, threat level.
  • Like, you have the removal to not be threatened by their Spinarak gimmick, and then you kinda do a crap-ton with Exca under sand, or with a setup Dragonite, or even just MGall.
  • If I'm them, I bring Chomp/Goli/Floette/Gyarados/Crobat +1, which is probably Virizion? Armrouge has some viability, I suppose.
  • And then for you, Hippo Exca MGall DNite +2, I bring Toxtricity personally, and then probably Sableye or Florges as a defensive option to help Hippo.
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# pale wraith
  • Doubles is hard, so you get a much shorter thoughts because, well, Doubles isn't kinda something we do here, sorry. At a glance your team seems fine, though Kilo doesn't need 252+, you want enough Speed to be faster than 252 Jolteon, probably, but nothing more.
  • Your opponents have zero removal which is bonkers to me. Castform and Vespiquen do not count. Enjoy the Sticky Webs.
  • Why do they have a MPert and Wake without the weather for them? Are they doing smth like Prankster Liepard? Be aware of that if you see the cat come, I suppose.
  • Their speed structure is really bad. Disregarding Jolteon because it's a Jolteon, you have Wake at 109, a Liepard who isn't a speed threat at 106, and then you dip to 79 for Buzzwole which is never running full speed? Wild lack of Speed across their whole team. Does Baxc really need a Scarf given that context?
spare relic
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FIRST GAME OF SEASONAL 😛

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Trying to catch first blood ngl

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fleet ermine
# rancid kestrel - Enjoy Draft, enjoy competitive Pokemon! That's the most important advice. That...

Thank you so much!! I will consider these and build my team according to what I feel is best for the situation. Thank you very much :’ I will definitely have fun lol and it’s all about adjusting to each team based of your original draft, I think that’s what makes a good pokemon player. I will do my best, one question though I don’t have experience at all going against TR teams but someone said a darkrai comp shouldn’t be too bad, what do they mean by that? And you’re right about my opponent not having an actual rain setter, but team #1 does have a rain setter (pelipper) but no speed control so I might be able to do smth I will definitely have to think on that. Thanks again though!

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# spare relic FIRST GAME OF SEASONAL 😛
  • I don't envy your MU here, personally. Tera TornT is rough for you, barring like, AV HoopaU if they don't roll a type that messes with it (they should, I'd expect Fairy. Ace is scary though can be tempered somewhat by a good LandoT, Shifu is scary even more so.
  • If I'm them, I don't bring BM (not into Glowking, Hoopa, and Meow) and probably... Munki? Torn needs the Tera, I don't see the value it brings personally otherwise, and like, [T/B]ink are their only setters. You have a ton of setters but their sole removal is Court Change which can be real scary. TSpikes also doesn't look great into them, assuming Boots on Ace and BM not coming.
  • I don't think you bring Morgrem here. This is not a team that strikes me as something you wanna try setup into, and doesn't Shifu crit through screens anyway? Copperajah is maybe bringable, but you have to leave what behind? Glowking? Doable, I guess, but it's also a Glowking into a potential Tera Fairy Torn, yknow? Are you really leaving it behind for Copperajah?
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I only built 7 currently

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# pale girder https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwmbeGez-wIWkRWC1tILWG_vz-49Tn0nRewP05zw...

116-100 is a pretty rough space to be missing anybody in. Not the end of the world but not ideal.
You have no Flying resist, and your Fire/Water/Ghost resist isn't bulky enough to actually take hits. Those seem like pretty rough empty spots to not have responses to, even if stuff like Lando or Pech can be built defensively.
Your hazards are alright but kinda rely a fair bit on LandoT for removal, which can make it hard to use it as the versatile 'mon it is.

rancid kestrel
# pale wraith 2 ban phases

That's... odd. That's not a thing that normally exists in Draft. I'd put together an Iron Treads set if I were you.

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# rancid kestrel Quick thoughts I suppose since I was about to head for bed but you're playing yo...

Ik this is a while after you made the suggestions but I wanted to double check on some things
I don't think Kyruem can stay on on a lot of these matchups like Terrak, bronzong, and even garchomp itself. Garchomp outspeeds and I haven't done the calcs, but kyruem will most likely take a lot from a draco meteor or dragon pulse
Bite is just for the technician boost and the aditional flinch chance. If there's anything else near the 60% mark I can use, I'm all ears
IV moltres counter you're right in that case
I'm 50 50 on specs or scarf on rotom so I might listen to you for the scarf
Crocalor stays, I learned that the hard way last match
Anything else I'm missing?

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Nothing immediately else comes to mind

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If you want it, it's not a wrong answer by any means.

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Should I invest treads to be faster than moltres and hope and pray for a stone edge to land?

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Or just invest all in bulk

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lunar needle
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Probably less important then, but make sure that the bulk you're putting in has value in the calc, don't just do bulk for the fun of it, yknow?

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even with max attack

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because I can't depend on rocks since it most likely runs boots

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maybe chip damage but I don't have much pivot this time other than rotom

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That'll be up to you in the end. Alternative chip (such as it switching in on resisted hits), hoping it isnt fully physdef, or hoping it switches in to take an EQ and you predict the switchin and SEdge. The nature of draft is that you aren't going to have perfect win paths, you have to decide how much of a gamble you feel comfortable with.

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If I'm you, I personally make sure I outspeed Moltres and never miss the 2hko.

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If I plan to outspeed the moltres

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rancid kestrel
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0 Atk Iron Treads Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Moltres: 248-292 (64.5 - 76%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Again, it's up to you what you feel comfortable with EV-wise.

lunar needle
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Let me see then with other matchups

lunar knoll
misty plumeBOT
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New [Gen 9] Draft RMT @olive halo, @formal haven, @ripe pine, @rancid kestrel, @spice peak, @tidal frigate, @random geyser, @lean horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

lunar knoll
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which team is nicer

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for team 2 it's just 2 shitmons on the bottom lmao

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2 megas are allowed but only one can mega in battle which is why im thinking of abandoning mega froslass

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this is plza + natdex

rancid kestrel
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team 2 (the one with red coloration) looks better to me personally. i dont really like how the other team's defensive core is kinda just glowking and forry. azu and copper are defensive but kinda hard to rely on.

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dropping mfross for something else makes sense to me, cant imagine not wanting mlop in an average game but i am a known mlop and mmedi enjoyer

lunar knoll
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it got SD and mach punch

lunar knoll
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i don't think it's reliable too

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I do have a lot of bulky mons on the physical side

rancid kestrel
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glowking, lando, dnite primarily, azu and tsareena are similar to azu forry but maybe its just me i like tsareena as a defensive mon better than forry bc tsareena isnt obligated to handle the hazard war all by itself and take 80% chip to do so

lunar knoll
rancid kestrel
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yeah that's a sign of defeat /lh

lunar knoll
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do I keep glaceon is the question

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i was thinking of taking out glaceon

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and opting for azelf as it's 11 points

rancid kestrel
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over what, sorry?

lunar knoll
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uhh

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mega fros

rancid kestrel
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oh. yeah i like that change.

lunar knoll
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i get hazards

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potential screens support

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good offensive mon

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better speed control + trick asw

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thanks for the help!

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im gonna drop glaceon and pick up snubbull because it's funny

spare relic
# rancid kestrel - I don't envy your MU here, personally. Tera TornT is rough for you, barring li...

Update: lost the match. Kinda disappointed because it was winnable but I let bolt take too much damage for it to be efficient in the endgame.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9draft-2560555635-4nw9q1n94afpvuy89epye5733sp1vtepw

[Gen 9] Draft: Quaqrash vs. MetaRiolu7 - Replays - Pokémon Showdown!

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Quaqrash and MetaRiolu7! Format: [Gen 9] Draft; Date: Mar 16, 2026

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They brought Tera dark instead of Tera fairy. Makes sense as it covers the gking hoopa and meow at once

rancid kestrel
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Unfortunate. Learning process and, in theory, an easier pathway for the next few rounds

glacial stag
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HELLO HELLO, question, am i cooked???

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misty plumeBOT
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glacial stag
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Nearly my entire team lowkey gets TRASHED by scizor

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With just Bp, aerial ace/acrobatics, and Cc, it can just about solo everything just fine without band or setup, so it can afford to have roost just to keep itself alive

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Then theres single ursh, whos also also big trouble, but i have a mildly safe answer for that

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Me winning hinges entirely on getting rid of those two first, if theyre still up, im DEAD

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Oh, also that pics a bit outdated, they replaced serperior with terrakion

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i feel like free tera urshifu is a lot worse for you than scizor

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something like band pult w steel wing is insanely annoying asw

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i have no idea why they traded for terrakion but if they bring that over urshifu it can do the same thing

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I got NO switch ins for scizor, and my mons do not have the tools to threaten it back with the sole exception of jirachi, araquanid, and ape, but araquanid is too slow, they can easily afford to be passive against ape, and jirachi is actually pretty good but they can just switch out to ursh and now im in a bad spot again

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I feel like everything i could possibly do to deal with them carries a lotta risk

glacial stag
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But overall im more concerned about status drag

lofty sparrow
rancid kestrel
# glacial stag HELLO HELLO, question, am i cooked???
  • Let's start with one thing - you're never cooked. Giving up off rip is the only way to automatically lose, otherwise you're never out of the game before it begins.
  • Yeah, Scizor is a big threat for sure. Though, its flying-type options are pretty weak, which means something like Araquanid can reasonably threaten it if it can get in. I also agree with rightclicker that they have a fair bit of threat in stuff like Pult and Shifu.
  • Something to consider is that they have a pretty aggressive team without a ton of defensive options, Volcanion/GWeez exist but for the most part are taking spots from genuine threats - bringing 'mons like them or Bellibolt mean that stuff like Terrak or Lando can't fit on the roster.
  • Don't underestimate the value of AVeil here. Sure, Dragapult will be running Infiltrator, but cutting down on their damage output is going to be pretty beneifical for you all things considered given their team style.
  • Glimmora Mortal Spin is your only removal, they have Webs, and their natural blocker to that is Scizor. Consider that interaction as a way to put the hurt onto Scizor, Corrosion Toxic is maybe a bit too out there but a +1 Meteor Beam to a 252/252+ Scizor (it won't be that) is doing like 70%. "Just" gotta get the prediction right on it switching in. It takes a fair bit of EVs to avoid the OHKO from Bullet Punch, but hey, it's an angle, yknow?
  • Rightclicker's got good thoughts as usual about things. I like Ape, I think Cetitan looks deceptively strong here, etc etc. I don't think you're cooked. Uphill battle, yes, but not cooked. You're only cooked if you decide you're cooked and don't try to win.
lunar knoll
misty plumeBOT
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lunar knoll
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I do have a more consistent form of hazard removal in zapdos instead of tsareena, but my problem is I feel there's less variability in the sets my pokemon are gonna be running. Baxcalibur can benefit from chilly reception snow though, and I do have a better defensive wall on the physical side in the form of zapdos threatening paralysis with static

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thoughts?

rancid kestrel
# lunar knoll

Sorry, just to confirm, this is another comparison type of thing, yeah?

lunar knoll
glacial stag
rancid kestrel
# lunar knoll

I personally like the team with Azelf more, but I don't think the teams are so incredibly different. I like that Azelf's 115 is a useful speed tier to have, I prefer Dragonite's defensive profile over Zapdos's personally. Baxcalibur would be nice to have in Snow especially but that requires a third of your roster, even if Glowking is good as one of your defensive 'mons. If I'm picking which roster I want, personally, I take the Dnite Azelf team, but I think both are usable depending on what you want out of a team.

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Ape does look good here, but with ursh hitting hard as fuck and ignoring bulk buffs, scizor not letting me go tera fairy, and lando being a fast special wallbreaker, i just cannot see myself sweep with a bulk up set