SV OU Rates

[queen saddle]

Air balloon is

literally better

Just don’t let ghold get hit or spam pivot if it does

I’m not a big believer in Moth

Tbh you should do dual hazards lead Chomp

bulky chomp lead to spam hazards

Or do that with Deo

So you have sd sweeper in Chomp

[nocturne sable]

Bulky ace would rather run will o wisp over sucker punch. You especially need that for your gambit MU which doesn’t look the best right now.

You also have no ground immune, raging bolt & volt switch is going to be a nightmare.

Also what’s with the substitute spam? Garg is too slow to be trying subtect sets with it and I’m not a big believer of sub woger either but it has definitely seen usage so I won’t tell you it’s not good.

I would replace Garg with rest talk ting Lu. Ting Lu gives you an electric immunity and a dark resist at once, helping you check mons like gholdengo raging bolt etc.

Would also make Zapdos discharge U-turn hurricane roost personally to allow you to pivot of ground types like opposing ting lus and iron treads.

Make Ghold air balloon you have zero ground immunes here

You’re also forgetting 4 attack evs on your Val

[ancient canopy]

I need help with the deck, I created it but I'm not sure if it's good, I'm a beginner, I would also need some advice on how to play it and what can be changed

https://pokepast.es/6d7befa414db258e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

thats missing 4 evs on everything

[ancient canopy]

https://pokepast.es/6fb8ff05cdc747ea
Is that what you meant?

[limber spear]

yeah somehwere near that but i dont think typing on pokepaste is smth good cuz just do it on showdown

and max hp def tusk isnt that common i suppose

[round portal]

https://pokepast.es/eded139effc0eea2 could weatherball kyu work in sun to break its checks maybe?

like ghold, sciz, tink, gambit, spd corvi, crown etc are getting blown up

[carmine oak]

most of these die to a specs ice beam or ep

252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 177-208 (44.2 - 52%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO

[round portal]

i wanted the freedom of av to spam attacks tho

cuz i feel like specs is major momentum sink for sun

[celest willow]

https://pokepast.es/4731b31dad990ef0 cb iron val

[thorn cloud]

Your kinda prone of getting blown up by kyurem and weavile, and while Crown is a solid answer to kyurem, you might wanna add more ice resists

[round portal]

nvm kyu is useless on this team

[thorn cloud]

First time I've seen Kyu do nothing on a team

It usually does something

[round portal]

😭

it genuinely did nothing i was genuinely so dissapointed

[thorn cloud]

It's just there to die lol

A deadslot

[nocturne sable]

I seen weather ball Kyu on rain teams but I think this is not bad

[round portal]

it didnt feel good at all to pilot 😔

idk why

[nocturne sable]

At that point though I would run body press>earth power to snipe walls like Blissey, Ttar exc

[nocturne sable]

Most likely because your team is too slow outside of wake

[round portal]

ye true

[nocturne sable]

I think also

Lack of immediate breaking power

Is a problem for you

Nothing here comes off as something that can offer immediate damage

[round portal]

ye i was using this with bolt before

felt wayy better

[nocturne sable]

I feel like the thing with av kyurem is that it’s niche is already filled out by AV tusk for the most part

[round portal]

true true

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/c09518377bddf43a maybe something like this. Could look to optimize the AV kyurem evs to improve your bulk but if you want enough speed evs to outspeed lando that’s definitely fine aswell

[alpine hornet]

i will say this isnt always the case

shuca lets u bluff scarf while also keeping ground absorption even after hit by spinner for example

ive run shuca dengo on webs before i do agree loon is better here tho

[alpine hornet]

would def also make kyu ep over press here ur primary press target in loon gambito gets obliterated by sunball and rn u cant touch fires

[chilly jungle]

https://pokepast.es/890561f65ad3e8e0

any recommendations

[round portal]

spammed this edit https://pokepast.es/19de6d85a54507ad

[nocturne sable]

You make a fair point with fires. I was mainly thinking about mu fishing into stall against Blissey with bpress aswell

Actually we can drop ice beam here tbh go bpress ep weather ball freeze dry

[rough lark]

https://pokepast.es/4c0bf94c272ffe7d how can i make this team better?

Im pretty much brand new and someone else helped me make it while back and so far its working well but i get swept occasionally by things like cloyster or ice types

[rapid sable]

https://pokepast.es/055478b34fc17ade

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

what format is this for

why are there an ambipom and a torterra, and your only hazard removal has sash?

[rapid sable]

ou

[rapid sable]

why do they overlap in roles

[quartz stream]

ok your team is basically insta 6-0d by stealth rocks

torterra is probably unviable without shell smash

trailblaze earthquake is pointless over shell smash

your team is also missing many important resistances

my recommendation is go onto the smogon strategy dex and use sets from there

for example the cinderace set is nonsense and should be a boots set, the sash is useless for ex

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Champions)

• Viability Rankings
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Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[quartz stream]

losing to cloyster is a sign you don't have enough priority

replace the gliscor with a dnite

dnite will help you with the offense matchup with multiscale and extreme speed

also eject pack and nasty plot have anti synergy, could drop eject pack for rocks and make the treads more offensive

[rapid sable]

ive played some games and updated it since then

[quartz stream]

ok

[rough lark]

Do you know what build i should use for dnite? Ive never used him in comp before

[quartz stream]

tera normal, 252 atk and speed, adamant since you're fine into zama and pult, extreme speed DD earthquake

last move ice spinner (for enemy dnite and a few others) or roost or encore or fire punch

[rough lark]

Ok tysm

[quartz stream]

bless

[nocturne sable]

This looks pretty standard not much to say

If you’re struggling with a mu let me know but this seems like standard Hstack

Wait hold on, you’re eject pact nasty plot deoxys you have to fix that and make it more optimal

Go knock off superpower psycho boost ice beam/thunderbolt

[nocturne sable]

This team although fun looking is unfortunately not viable in the OU tier as the majority of the team consist of niche/bad mons with no synergy together on a sun structure. I recommend studying samples in the mean time to be familiar with the meta

[rapid sable]

honestly its not very fun I lose a lot

[nocturne sable]

Makes sense, the sets being used here are not optimal or viable

Ambipon Torterra are fun mons but they make no sense here

[rapid sable]

ambipon is goated ngl

can it go on an ou team at all

[quartz stream]

if ur doing that, try building entirely around ambipom

and try to stick to only OU mons for the other 5 slots (maybe 1-2 UU or uubl but you get the idea), nothing niche

ambipom's only redeeming qualities to me seem like its good speed, decent offense, and access to switcheroo

[rapid sable]

im trying out lorb on it and fake out hits like a truck

[quartz stream]

I was thinking band, or maybe something like this on a hazard stack

idk about life orb fake out, maybe try silk scarf with fake out, dougle edge/double hit, triple axel, and some last move like twave or another attack

idk why this thing doesn't get quick attack it would be perfect

[rapid sable]

yeah that would be sick

im running fake out, lowkick, knockoff, uturn

fake out + uturn just killed a ogerpon wellspring

[quartz stream]

that's the mons main niche lul

that's why I would go 216+ speed to just outspeed ogerpon

[simple perch]

thank you!!

one other thing though is that without sucker punch on ace the team has no priority.. is there anywhere I can fir some in or should I not even worry about that?

[quartz stream]

forget about no priority, you have no speed control at all

try switching zapdos for scarf lando

you have no electric immune and you are weak against offense, that helps both somewhat

but there is not much you can do with just 1 slot swap

[nocturne sable]

It’s fine most blimax-like structures(similar to this) survive with ace as their fastest Mon

If you want to keep the priority though you would have to make ace offensive then remove Zapdos for Ironpress corv to deal with kingambit

[carmine oak]

https://pokepast.es/c4df61e220915993

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[carmine oak]

thoughts plssssss

[gray karma]

Why do you use Sitrus berry on pecha ?

[carmine oak]

shuca

so it can instantly remove tspikes

since its not flying

[gray karma]

Oh

poison types always removes t-spikes

[carmine oak]

if its grounded yes

if its flying it doesnt

iirc

also it there so if they ice spnner on switch u still have shuca

[gray karma]

[carmine oak]

and you can get them cuz u can larp as hdb

[gray karma]

icic, I mainly prefer the pivot moveset it's nice to use

except that I feel your team is pretty decent, just you don't have entry hazards remover so it might annoys you

[carmine oak]

np pech is there so it isnt passive idk

that's literally the only reason it's np lol\

[carmine oak]

anyhow i used this on ladder and i think the team is bad

[quartz lark]

Make pech hdb. Pech is not a flying type and besides poison types holding hdb can remove toxic spikes.

[carmine oak]

i have shuca pech so it can trade with ground types as the team has no ground resist

[nocturne sable]

Looks fine, change zama to Tera fire though fairy mu is not looking good

Or Tera steel heavy slam

Actually hmm

scizor+pecha should be fine for fairies

And you have Tera fire chomp so nvm on that

Yea this team looks solid just be weary on how you lead into Lu and hamu stacks but this looks fine

[rough lark]

https://pokepast.es/62dd3557c6435072

https://pokepast.es/4c0bf94c272ffe7d

which of these teams in best for ou?

https://pokepast.es/57780b9afe26d51b or should i just use this sample team

[queen saddle]

Second team without a doubt, although there needs to be some changes

Gliscor is really off on this team, I get the point of trying to sweep but Gliscor doesn’t fit this archetype of sweeping, this is more closer to a kind of offense.

You can do Deo hazard lead over this set alongside using SD Gambit over Samu and atk booster Tusk over Treads

You can make Gliscor an iron moth, your team lacks special pressure and fairy switch ins outside of Gholdengo
I think Gholdengo could be balloon plot too

Actually you can keep the Samu if you want but make it SD
You already have a steel type in Ghold after all

[rough lark]

Im trying to understand but i got back into this game yesterday after not playing for like a year so im getting lost

Like what is a balloon plot

And what do you mean by sd

Oh wait im dumb its swords dance right

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/f7a82305870a9604

I think you could do smth like this

You’d like the balloon for a temporary ground immune + you have speed control in Za

Your team is relatively weak to Bolt so I made Ghold and Moth t fairy gleam

Tusk and Samu are really solid breakers

I think you could run knock on Rott if you’d like more stall breaking potency

[rough lark]

Ty

[queen saddle]

and rocks deo for well

rocks and additional speed control

Yeah np

[queen saddle]

Additionally you could do tera flying on Moth for another ground immune

Which would beat grounds like Tusk and Treads

[rough lark]

Ok ty

[quartz lark]

For a returning player, use the sample.

[rapid sable]

having trouble against scarf meow https://pokepast.es/642308b43fd37d3d

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rapid sable]

@quartz stream

[quartz stream]

oh yea that would be an issue

[placid sable]

https://pokepast.es/11de8ac29344dd99

[quartz stream]

you can try out this, I replaced Azu with zama and gambit with scizor since the team looked weak to Ival
https://pokepast.es/738347429c5ca3bf

boots zama so you're not weaker to webs

feel free to make changes and swap around sets and mons and see what works best for you

[quartz stream]

also if you are struggling with a mon, you can open the OU room and say /rfaq threat, like /fraq zamazenta, and you can see what might be able to check it

just make sure that whatever you pick fits onto whatever team structure you have

[rapid sable]

damn thats sick

didnt know that was a command

[quartz stream]

yea it's mega

[quartz stream]

also /rfaq brings up the entire list of commands, including rfaq bread

[queen saddle]

I’m pissed that you removed Azu but I understand why

This team is better but like Azu is aura 🤧

[quartz stream]

yea that's what I was saying

azu is heater

[jade cedar]

I mean isn't tera fire still a decent choice for burns?

https://pokepast.es/db991d4bd263cef1

it feels a bit slow

[quartz stream]

don't like the only priority ice shard + team is overall mega slow

maybe use a standard dnite

if you want to abuse triple hazard control, you could try life orb or sill scarf

[queen saddle]

all out attacking zama 6’0’s this team

Idef + heavy slam too

You have 2 forms of hazard removal

Just use Deo over Hatt

[inner terrace]

cool team

id say run a cm hatt or psplit hatt set over this

or hwish

one of those

rocks on glimm

and bu tusk

then it's fine

[inner terrace]

shit has coverage to hit 90% of the mons in the tier

you dont get 6-0d though you have booster speed tusk and moth to outspeed

single turn wrong and forced out

[queen saddle]

This is booster atk tusk

Much less bulkier

[inner terrace]

oh

make it booster speed

even still you dont get 6-0d

[rough lark]

https://pokepast.es/f7a82305870a9604 im just gonna use this

[nocturne sable]

Solid, would personally go with av hamu with knock off over glasses here

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/366f79ffe333fa85

https://pokepast.es/795403a3d5030562

Which of these two are better? If neither are good then help me with this pls

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz lark]

What is this supposed to be? Offense? Hyper Offense?

Make deoxys this:
Deoxys-Speed @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Taunt
• Stealth Rock
• Spikes
• Skill Swap

[queen saddle]

HO, and he already has spikes in Samu

It’s fine running eject pack Deo

He has rocks on it and ceaseless on Samu, might as well slot in some more offense instead of literally having no atks

Helps also having some more stall breaking potency when you can use psycho boost to eject out of Gliscor and swap into a threatening mon like Tusk

along with additional knock support

[inner terrace]

both can work but probably use a different mon over crown since you have gking already

first one is weak to waterpon but you need something that beats pon and zama

pult can work there

i guess you have enam nvm then

then you can run specs kyu over crown

[lucid onyx]

The pult one struggles against krai tho

[lucid onyx]

Wht do u suggest I use?

[inner terrace]

specs kyu

[inner terrace]

you shouldnt

[lucid onyx]

With the enam one?

[inner terrace]

you have multiple tools for it

yeah

[lucid onyx]

Scarg ones

Scarf*

[inner terrace]

even scarf you can take a dark pulse with gking to scout

or go corv

[lucid onyx]

Hm

[inner terrace]

you also have kix

[lucid onyx]

Yea lowkix revenge kills

[lucid onyx]

But the thing is I go glowking to scout, I only know it's not specs it cud be boots if I don't hv hazzards on

[inner terrace]

well i mean

you can tell if something is scarf

like if you have pult then they go rai theyre either bluffing or theyre scarf

or on the lead if you lead pult they lead rai and they stay in as you switch out they're likely scarf

it's totally fine to have a team like this

[lucid onyx]

Ah when I look at it like that it seems fine

Ty!

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/386ba52cfc318f1c

gambit feels tough, any dark type really

[quartz lark]

• If Gambit is a “problem,” then invest a measly 12 speed into Moltres (it should already have this investment)

• Moltres and Gweezing are already enough for Darkrai and Hrott respectively.

[jade cedar]

also does this need immediate power?

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/41c436c8e7317be3

[jade cedar]

ghost types seems a bit annoying especially something like scarf ghold but you should be able to out-offense it

also ig tera dark fez

and the fattie tar

[queen saddle]

Fez eats up Pult anyday

Gholdengo is kinda threatening

But like

any other ghost I have no problem

I don’t have immediate speed control which is sometimes annoying but speed boost Blaziken and sand rush Drill soo

Yuh

[jade cedar]

yeah ig, you still need to really preserve it since pult can still rick havoc if fez is low

[quartz lark]

With 4 mons affected by sand stream, wouldn't lefties be preferred over smooth rock? Also, what are Fezandipiti and Blaziken aiming to achieve for this sand?

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/ac52919ea9cb4488

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

Sand chips down opps which is why I built with Blaziken

Blaziken always loves chip and will use any of it to get kills

Which it also likes taking care of some sand threats like Corvi and whatnot

Plus I love Blaziken I think it’s sick

Fez offers a valuable fairy type and pretty much a pivot over AV Gking

Since Gking would only ruin my sand

[queen saddle]

Not rlly if Tar is healthy and Fez isn’t

[queen saddle]

But yeah, AV Gking is good but chilly is annoying

Uturn allows me to keep up my sand while offering the pivot role Gking did with reliable recovery

Allowing me to keep up offensive pressure and handles Fblast Rai much much better

With only tera poison sludge bomb being annoying asf

For the lefties aspect, you’re right!

I should use that

I was just not sure

[jade cedar]

ddarts and especially u-turn does chip it decently

[queen saddle]

Ddarts is pretty lightwork for tar to tank unless it’s boosted

[jade cedar]

like some 30% if I'm not sure

[queen saddle]

Uturn is annoying but that means I just have to win by using offense now

Like me being able to force a pivot is strong so Blaziken can get a turn of speed boost

Which allows an OHKO with knock

[jade cedar]

thank god banded pult is basically just bad otherwise it would've been really annoying for your team

[jade cedar]

I guess it falls down to mind games

[queen saddle]

Not rlly

If it’s really mind games then Fez should be alive

Eg lorb pult only runs one physical atk which Fez is immune to

So not only is it taking lorb + sand damage it’s not doing enough in return

[nocturne sable]

-specs hydrapple is bad if you want to run offensive hydrapple run nasty plot Life orb.

-your hazard & ground MU is not that bad I would run lefties sub 3 attacks drill with spin eq rock slide.

-defensive rotom is fine but I think scarf rotom could also add a lot of value to your team, especially considering you don’t have immediate speed control here.

-I’m going to be honest I don’t really like blaziken sand it feels kinda awkward since sand teams already struggle with attackers that don’t have immediate speed or power, and I feel like there are better slots here than blaziken. But since you want to utilize blaziken on sand I came up with a few sets you can try out.

Blaziken @ Soft Sand
Ability: Speed Boost
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Flare Blitz
• Earthquake
• Stone Edge

+2 soft sand Tera ground can 0hko max defense pecharunt

+2 252 Atk Soft Sand Tera Ground Blaziken Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pecharunt: 380-450 (100 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (380, 386, 390, 396, 398, 404, 408, 414, 416, 422, 426, 432, 434, 440, 444, 450)

+2 252 Atk Soft Sand Tera Ground Blaziken Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Great Tusk: 294-346 (67.7 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Possible damage amounts: (294, 297, 300, 304, 307, 310, 315, 318, 321, 325, 328, 331, 336, 339, 342, 346)

+2 252 Atk Soft Sand Tera Ground Blaziken Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zamazenta: 328-387 (100.9 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (328, 331, 336, 340, 343, 348, 351, 355, 358, 363, 367, 370, 375, 378, 382, 387)
(Non id zama after boost wears off)

This is definitely not a bad set, you can also try out this

Blaziken @ Air Balloon
Ability: Speed Boost
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Stone Edge
• Close Combat/Flare blitz
• Acrobatics
  Tera rock snipes flyings like molt zap dnite etc. flare blitz if you want to ko corv, cc for Lu

Acrobatics will help you snipe fightings like tusk zama etc and it’s easy to proc with air balloon

Tera rock can also be nice because it gives the 1.5x spdef boost in sand, so easier set up opportunities

[nocturne sable]

Yea banded pult 6-0es this team highkey

[queen saddle]

Why is specs Drapple bad? It’s peaked rank 1 or somewhere close to that if I’m not wrong

And I’ve broken a LOT of stuff with specs leaf storm
Not really having problems with the specs Apple

Lorb would only make it lack more longevity alongside sand chip

Sickass Blaziken set tho

[round portal]

https://pokepast.es/8938215ee4e68e0d

👀

[quartz lark]

What appears to be the issue?

[quartz lark]

What is the motive behind this concoction?

[quartz lark]

• Success doesn't always necessarily equal function, and if you cannot vividly recall that function, why are you using it?

• Hydrapple is very slow and has no priority, so it's against its benefit to be locked into one move.

[round portal]

wdym

[nocturne sable]

??? You have regenerator to make up for hp lost with LO, that’s why it’s popular with hydrapple.

Specs hydrapple is usually bad because you just blank into fairies/steels glowking and give away a lot of momentum if you click wrong move. Hydrapples stabs aren’t as spammable as you think

And fwiw you don’t always need to set up sand anyways

[quartz stream]

is this your in-game team?

[round portal]

ye ive been using it in ladder recently

[quartz stream]

why is there a random ursaluna

[round portal]

i was inspired by vert 🥺

like vert's old ursa screens team

[quartz stream]

oh that explains why the team looks like mad science

vert forges these teams in the center of a nuclear reactor

[round portal]

omari p level technology 😭

[ivory crater]

i see the vision

i wish i could be as creative a builder as some of the top dogs

but i default to the same 3 guys

[round portal]

spell tag ceru is so technologia trust

[quartz stream]

no reliable speed control

you have a rotom why not go scarf

and specs drapple is cope

quaqrash already explained why

another consideration is that you really don't want a slow specs mon on what's basically a hyperoffense

you have basically nothing that can switch into most hits

personally I also think scarf rotom is cope too and you need priority, but idk where to put it since there is a "fezandipiti" thing wasting a teamslot on this team for some reason

[quartz lark]

The matter has been resolved.

[queen saddle]

Fez isn’t rlly wasting a slot, but I guess bro!

And it’s more so a bulky offense

But I’ll go w what qua said

[quartz stream]

the anti fez agenda will always win

[stray osprey]

i made a team: https://pokepast.es/81195ad1493a8591

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nova quail]

hey does anyone have a press zamazenta team? i have a tournament at 4:40

[nocturne sable]

Team comp isn’t bad but you need at least one scarfer here. Could be darkrai tbh.

Hamu needs sucker here you want additional priority outside of bolt. I would make Hamu AV here too.

Outside of that think this should be fine

You can make bolt Tera fairy here for gambit match up

[stray osprey]

alr ty.

sucker over knock?

[quartz lark]

They're not interchangeable. Use both.

[nocturne sable]

Over flip turn

[blissful nebula]

Yeah av Samu helps you not get swept by moth too

You can also go flip turn as your only water move

Ceaseless knock sucker flip

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/b490ab573026760a

anyway i can improve this team

[limber spear]

there isn’t a woger check and too slow

😞

it’s also better off rubbing mix on av sets

so u stall break better

[cedar jay]

any changes i can make

[limber spear]

uh

zap or corv over lando and then get rocks and boots on tusk and scarf dengo?

and run the smogon set for hoppa

prolly av mola also works cuz no special wall

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/39dff8e8000ae598

how does this look

[limber spear]

nvm 3 steel isn’t ideal

cm tbolt ival seems a bit annoying too i think

[limber spear]

and then run psy noise knock dpunch gunk shot on hoopa with 252 hp 76 spa and rest in def

a fairly old spread i think but still works best

[limber spear]

so prolly have to be zap

should be defensive

tera grass

and then unsure u-turn or volt is better here tho but prolly go discharge with uturn

[cedar jay]

this team is going through alot lol

https://pokepast.es/8b0118b0486c73b1

[limber spear]

drop heat wave for hurricane

[limber spear]

tbf it’s just some set tweaks

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/92ff52abfe857e2f

there we go how does it look now

[limber spear]

oh missed that drop cc for rocks on tusk

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/5c6ba76257388238

[quartz stream]

seems fine

[limber spear]

prolly fine

if don’t like the gambit mu then can go for jolly low kick i think

but should be ok

[quartz stream]

yea I was gonna say tera gambit might be rought

[cedar jay]

i wonder why adding landorus didnt help

[limber spear]

more so there wasn’t a woger check

and double ground isn’t ideal for most cases

[cedar jay]

what even is a woger

[limber spear]

and lando wasn’t offering much besides more zama check

[limber spear]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-ogerpon-wellspring-tera-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-16915269632910713693

mola is a mon that invite her a lot esp without bslam or tickle

so u need a solid check or else she outspeeds everyone and spams

tera water cudgel

unsure about that but prolly can be helmet tusk here? but then t spikes will be annoying

[quartz stream]

wellspring ogerpon

[nocturne hemlock]

Made this it's mostly based on pokemon with designs I like XD

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1783214-v8ij4cqgal2vbi51p1rk

[whole willow]

!shareteams

[regal ginkgo]

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[whole willow]

@nocturne hemlock

[warm mica]

aye specs substitute 😭

[nocturne hemlock]

BRUH I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE XD

I was just like ye sub sounds good

I changed it to ice beam

[warm mica]

yeah

the team is almost full stall

put close combat or any fighting move on great tusk instead of Headlong/Eq

[nocturne hemlock]

Idek what that means ngl

[warm mica]

imean 4 really bulky defensive mons and 2 attackers

[nocturne hemlock]

Put Close combat instead of EQ

[warm mica]

yeah ig

[nocturne hemlock]

I wasn't asking I'm saying I just did it XD

[warm mica]

yh better

body press would be good with iron defense

so you can remove defog since u have rapid spin

[whole willow]

no?
there's no unaware or blissey
this is more like balance

not running glowking with kyurem is a choice indeed

[warm mica]

ooh kinda

[whole willow]

and no speed control

[nocturne hemlock]

glowking?

[warm mica]

yeah he said his first time building

[whole willow]

what does amoongus even do here

[nocturne hemlock]

I like how goofy he looks XD

[whole willow]

mirror coat on alo too that's off

[nocturne hemlock]

I did say it's my first team

[warm mica]

hm so

Amoonguss is bad.

sad news

[whole willow]

yeah so the verdict is:play sample teams instead

[nocturne hemlock]

Okay removing it now

[warm mica]

ya he's better in Vgc

[whole willow]

this is kinda like some bulky kyu teams but bad

[nocturne hemlock]

what should I put instead of it? like what's glowking?

[warm mica]

galarian slowking

he has regenerator too like amoongus

[nocturne hemlock]

OH okay

[warm mica]

the moves should be, chilly reception, sludge bomb, future sight,

[whole willow]

darkrai matchup is still super rough

[warm mica]

i guess, i never used that guy

[whole willow]

you really need speed control here

[nocturne hemlock]

what does that mean?

[whole willow]

super fast mon to deal with sweepers and other fast stuff

you'd be way better off playing samples

[limber spear]

ammongus is fine on stall as the dedicated woger check if u wanna go that route but u gotta drop like 4 of the mon

[nocturne hemlock]

and what should I do about the mirror coat? should I replace it with something else?

[limber spear]

scald and tickle r the main options

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
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Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[warm mica]

yeah scald

mirror coat is mostly used on assault vest molas

[whole willow]

why are we still trying to help with this
it's just not good

[nocturne hemlock]

if you don't wanna help you can just leave

[limber spear]

🤔 🤔 but if they r willing to change then why not

[nocturne hemlock]

I am trying to understand all this but I never played comp before like at least cool clodsire gave me a chance

[limber spear]

😭

[whole willow]

playing with a bad team cripples you way too much
trust me i have experienced this
you're better off with samples to try and learn the game

[warm mica]

did u try out ur team in ladder

[nocturne hemlock]

I've been playing for a bit at 1100 rn

pretty fun

not actual game just playing showdown

[warm mica]

ooh great

[queen saddle]

Respectfully,
I’ve never used a sample in my life, and this is not necessarily true.
You honestly can learn more about what’s good and what isn’t and you do feel more invested in the game.
Although, it honestly varies from what kind of person you are and if you have someone to help you out, which is why I usually recommend samples despite not using one myself.

But if you don’t really have a friend who’s experienced or at least has a decent grip on the meta, definitely do recommend samples. However, people here are willing to help, which doesn’t necessarily force you into a sample, although usually recommended.

[queen saddle]

Can you send this to the chat but in poképaste? Makes it easier for me personally.

[nocturne sable]

I would drop AV mola for volcanion here. A utility boots set with will o wisp would be decent here

[limber spear]

is that for gambit mu

[nocturne sable]

Yea

And it also improves the woger mu

While still giving a fire resist for stuff like cinderace etc

Then tusk could be like Tera fire for extra measures against iron moth

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey you can make a kyurem semi stall team with this but I don’t think great tusk fits here too well

[queen saddle]

Yeah I was gonna recommend that

I like subtect here though

Having toxic support with mons like Amoonguss would be rlly nice to stall out with protect and sub

[worn socket]

https://pokepast.es/9b8c94db968c50ad

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lucid onyx]

Sry to disturb u. How can i send teams in this form?

[nocturne hemlock]

Pokepaste? what's that?

[mellow smelt]

guys how is this OU team https://pokepast.es/bf80ed7e5e5c5b5c

[nocturne hemlock]

I legit go no clue cause I'm new + I might have a concussion slipped in the shower and hit my head pretty hard

like 10 minutes ago lol

[mellow smelt]

Copy paste your showdown team into pokepaste

[limber spear]

first 3 mons seem to be stall but

last 3 aren’t

[mellow smelt]

Corvi is for defog, dondozo is for sweepers, amoonguss is idk why

[limber spear]

u gotta chose an archetype here

[mellow smelt]

I usually play balance or semi

[limber spear]

corv isn’t reliable as removal per se

[mellow smelt]

why not?

gholdengo?

[limber spear]

dengo h stack will keep hazards off 24/7

[mellow smelt]

ah i see

[warm mica]

ya weird amoonguss

does it not get any special ground move?

[mellow smelt]

sadly not

[warm mica]

uhoh

[mellow smelt]

but since its slow and its base stats are the same it can run -speed

[limber spear]

also clear smog is nice to run

[nocturne hemlock]

what would you use instead of it?

[queen saddle]

when you teambuild it’s under your team

[mellow smelt]

I used to run it, changed it to sludge bomb for the poison and to be less passive

[queen saddle]

Like where you see stuff like “sample teams” look under

and it’s there

[warm mica]

also never seen tera steel iron head dragonite

[queen saddle]

Same

[warm mica]

it'll be walled by steel types

[limber spear]

can use to tech for fairy but tera fire is mostly enough

[mellow smelt]

i keep forgetting to change it to tera fire fire punch

or i might change it to kyurem

and run either life orb or scarf

[limber spear]

so scarf and lo kyurem r all bad and demand good hazard cintrol

scarf has no power and only for surprise

[nocturne hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/65f8fd525981c884 this?

[mellow smelt]

is hd boots better?

[limber spear]

boots was used before but is bad now

[mellow smelt]

also do I run mixed

[limber spear]

mix is fine ig

good stall breaker

[warm mica]

yeah that's the standard way of sharing teams

[queen saddle]

Yep

[mellow smelt]

what is the best tera type for skeledirge

[limber spear]

fairy

[queen saddle]

Tbh I’d edit this by making Gking its standard set

[mellow smelt]

whats the best moves for a defensive set

[queen saddle]

and replacing Tusk

[limber spear]

wisp hex torch recover

phy def or spdef works

spdef more common

[mellow smelt]

ok

[queen saddle]

I also kinda like spdef Alo or Corvi here

[nocturne hemlock]

replace tusk with what and what do I change about gking? I'm unsure what the slandered set is + I'm dizzy as hell XD

[queen saddle]

Like Alo’s can run hdb but be spdef with mirror coat
You’d like this since your Bolt mu is already kinda ass

[mellow smelt]

spdef alomo with av is fun

its a good pivot

[nocturne hemlock]

hdb?

[queen saddle]

heavy duty boots

[nocturne hemlock]

someone legit told me to replace mirror coat with scald that's why I did it

it was mirror coat originally

[mellow smelt]

tera electric or ice on offensive deoS

[queen saddle]

Yeah but was ur alo phys def?

Bc mirror coat is only good on spdef sets

Slowking-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Chilly Reception
• Sludge Bomb
• Future Sight
• Thunder Wave

I think you run ice beam over twave on this gking

You’d like it a lot for Bolt

Toxic is also nice

Yeah pretty sure you can go toxic on Gking

[mellow smelt]

what is a good pokemon for removal

[nocturne hemlock]

what's bolt?

[queen saddle]

run max def max hp corvi

[queen saddle]

Raging Bolt

[queen saddle]

double rocky helmet can be pretty good too just to continuously punish contact

you can keep lefties on corvi tho

[nocturne hemlock]

okay so I replace Tusk with bolt right?

[queen saddle]

No no no

Never said that

You want toxic on gking for raging bolt

as to beat it

[nocturne hemlock]

Sorry I hit my head I'm dizzy as heal XD

[queen saddle]

Fah

I don’t really like tusk on this structure
You have a lot of knock off soakers and lots of mons who also don’t care about hazards

But you lack speed control

Only reason I’d kinda want tusk here is for Kyurem

Which I do think you can make it substitute protect freeze dry earth power with leftover

You’d lack some breaking power which would suck

But you usually will be fine since your team is very bulky

[nocturne hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/2fdecb44523a3ff7 what about now?

[queen saddle]

Make slowking heavy duty boots

[nocturne hemlock]

okay

I'll try it now

[queen saddle]

I like boots all out attacking Zamazenta here with ice fang over stone edge for Gliscor
You can make Kyurem tera ghost

Because you can 1v1 a lot of things with tera ghost

Kyurem @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 52 HP / 204 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Substitute
• Protect
• Freeze-Dry
• Earth Power

You forgot 4 defense on Slowking

@nocturne hemlock

[nocturne hemlock]

oh alr

[queen saddle]

Try out defog over brave bird too on Corvi

[queen saddle]

(Use Zama over Tusk)

And my last recommendation if you think your bulk is enough to forgo speed, is that you can go Ting Lu on this structure

[nocturne hemlock]

what do I do for zama?

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/6052f460fd679fc8

[queen saddle]

Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Crunch
• Ice Fang
• Heavy Slam

[queen saddle]

My first thought says what’s Corvi doing here

[jade cedar]

another steel type since I have double fairy weakness also ground immunity

[nocturne hemlock]

okay

[queen saddle]

I think you should just do Zap over Corvi and defensive Treads

Sinistcha is also kinda weird here

[jade cedar]

the mon I wanted try out also my woger switch in

[jade cedar]

is def treads full hp/spe?

[queen saddle]

What I usually do for defensive treads is max hp and enough hp to outspeed the threats to the team its in

Eg Iron Crown > enough speed to outspeed that and rest in spdef

I don’t feel confident in Pult

You lack a ghost resist but you run double ghost

I want to say just go all out attacker Za

Specs and pivot Dragapult is annoying but I think it’s fine

You could go tera fire

[chilly jungle]

https://pokepast.es/f09227ec3110a35f

Hi guys I made a new team

I wanna get opinions / advice on it

[carmine oak]

https://pokepast.es/f3a05165ad752519

is abrs sample team just better than this

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[carmine oak]

it has clef over zama

[quartz stream]

lategame iron valiant vs this team with 4 fairy weakness

[lofty herald]

Peep this webs team https://pokepast.es/e53954124c950622

[quartz stream]

gambit and dnite matchups might be a little rough

[final relic]

tclap over volt

probably can be scale shot fire punch on dnite

youre missing ev’s on tusk

ghold should be max speed

or hit like 260 if youre running modest

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/bb17dda3078efcb6 leafeon sun

bolt over wake to evaporate stall

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/2a5ae5149764875b

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

gambit matchup seems rough for this team no?

you have oger encore and hamu but if it just attacks you die, and aside from heatran EP literally nothing on the team hits it supereffectively

and nothing can switch in on it safely

also the team has no rock resist

also finally corv can easily defog on this team + not a single one of your 4 knock off users can really beat it so it can just come in on them all day

I feel the team is kind of confused, delete 3 mons (my vote is gliscor clef and oger) and try to find replacements

maybe go tusk woger enam

[limber spear]

isn’t this just abr blissey sample

but it’s clef tran > blissey skarm

[limber spear]

meh this is actually playable with tera ghost sball pech and encore defiant on oger

[quartz stream]

oh that explains why half the mons don't fit with the other half

[limber spear]

yes cuz skarm and blissey were essentially a must

as the sole special wall + extra gambit measures and stuff

basically now av kyurem+np pech +gambit + wake and just a stronger physical offense will break this down

[lofty herald]

https://pokepast.es/4370c54da5a94b9c rmt

[warm mica]

good standard sun

Bolt could use solarbeam/weather ball perhaps?

fine either way

[lofty herald]

Maybe but over what? I’m cm 3a

[warm mica]

yeahh its np, i jus think that set is cooler- not better

[quartz stream]

awful matchup into ival

[gray karma]

Yh

maybe corvi over Dpult or smth like that

Corvi is useful in sun as I remember I tried it helped me

[lofty herald]

Would booster moth be valid here?

Or even Val?

[gray karma]

Moth can be good yah

[lofty herald]

I’m thinking agility 3a with modest, after one of em im easily faster than Val

On top of being booster spatk

Idk I’m thinking energy ball over gleam

[lofty herald]

https://pokepast.es/b604eeb3b1ec5ec7 am actually loving this team ngl

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/7ca029a920c6106b

[lofty herald]

Went on an insane burner 10-0 with this sun team had 2 6-0 wins

https://pokepast.es/50ed366424eb5a8d

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/6049cf86516e5c15

[warm mica]

ohh moth is great change

pult def wasn't putting much work

getting oneshot after 1 twave

i used ur team to reach 1400-

[lofty herald]

Ty mate

How do u like it?

And what was ur record? I’m down to ladder with u with this team

[warm mica]

its fun since sun is my fav, used a different sun team last time when played sv ou

max attack tusk is so strong

[lofty herald]

Yea with av it’s very bulky too

Headlong on a corv switch in isn’t crazy either especially with sun boosted temper flare

[warm mica]

same went on streak, just have to learn to preserve torkoal better

[lofty herald]

It also smashes gliscor

[warm mica]

ohh yeah

just beat a corv in endgame with flare

[lofty herald]

Temper flare also really messes up kyurem

[warm mica]

ohh, Headlong is ohko into many too

[lofty herald]

You also aren’t worried about balloon ghold, that actually plays out for you perfectly because u can kill it with temper

[warm mica]

ya he ain't problem with knock off too

ceruledge sweeps r fun

[lofty herald]

Def

1v1s just about everything

[warm mica]

yeah just have to keep rocks off

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2617511596?p2

check this bolt 6-0 lol

[lofty herald]

Personally I don’t have issues in keeping rocks off considering how long I’m able to keep torkoal and tusk alive

But Ik everyone plays differently

I’d call it HO but tbh

It’s very versatile you can play it like Bulky-o

Well

Fringe bulky-o

[lofty herald]

Oh that’s the pult one

[warm mica]

yeahh played sm games yesterday

[warm mica]

hmm i learnt through my dumb mistakes to not keep them infront of strong sp attackers

[warm mica]

yah the damage output is crazy by every mon

[lofty herald]

Even tork is able to get great chip with lava plume and a potential burn

Ep hits pech for ab 33%

Hit it for 35 with a good roll and forced out 2 recovers

[warm mica]

ooh haven't faced that at all in low ladder

Gking is annoying

[lofty herald]

Booster spatk fiery dance does good damage to non vest glowking

Not even counting sun boosted

And the agility on it grantees that you’re faster than Val

Unfortunately no Tera blast ground for that clod interaction but you’d really be surprised how much that fiery dance really does

Some may put fire blast over it but hey

[warm mica]

wait it has agility

lol I was using a random own set

booster speed 4attack

[warm mica]

nah fiery dance is goated move

especially if we get the spa boost

[lofty herald]

Nah

I’ll send the team again

https://pokepast.es/50ed366424eb5a8d

[lofty herald]

It’s modest spatk booster with agility

[rugged peak]

https://pokepast.es/0a1163a4902ff0b0 bulky offense

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

seems better, be careful around fast mons though since your only speed control on the whole team is tera ogerpon

you have pecha and tran to beat things like ival at least

[gray karma]

You don't have tera on h-samurott

tera poison I like so you can 2hko waterpon with ceaseless edge

[queen saddle]

Bump

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/f34963c1bfce9fc4
Little quick to make an HO after posting one here just yesterday, but that team has been sitting in my builder since forever, and actually was pretty alright

Made this HO because I figured Treads Zama and Gren have a pretty nice core together, I wanna build a bulky offense with specs Gren tho, lmk if someone can help w that later

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

I think Rilla could have HHP to beat Bolt since sun is a little annoying for this team, but Rilla seems like it can help a lot with beating it

Just came up with Rilla because my old core was Weavile + Dnite over Kyurem and Rilla, swapped because I lacked special pressure and didn’t want to stack dragons

[rugged peak]

I have tera water scarf to catch surprise kos

I could go tera water

[glacial crypt]

https://pokepast.es/9c0b43deed510c6f

[gray karma]

Oh, idk why it didn't show when I clicked on ur link

[gray karma]

Sorry bro we don't accept Cobblemon teams here, it's Pokemon Showdowns teams only

[glacial crypt]

Is only the name

I use it for ou

[gray karma]

ooh

[glacial crypt]

1546

[gray karma]

Yah was thinking it was for another game 😭

I like the team for my part, I don't know if 2/3 ground weaknesses annoys you that much when you played with that team

[glacial crypt]

Can't the team be improved? Like, in terms of EVs and stuff.

[gray karma]

Just why did u put 44 in spdef ?? For ursaluna

[queen saddle]

As a previous trick room spammer, I don’t feel confident in two mons, especially with Gking being tr setters

I feel like Tusk also spams hr into your team

and you don’t have much you can do

Ursaluna should have fire punch over protect or sd, you need that for Corvi

and the ice horse isn’t gonna do that well under tr when it usually needs set up
I feel like id corvi walls your entire team

Iron Hands should be setup
Replace ice horse with Cresselia for an additional tr setter, and make hatterene focus sash with psy noise over psychic, and potentially misty explosion over dazzling

You could also use ice punch ursaluna if you want ice coverage you’d lose by replacing horse

but you could also just run ice punch on Hands and be done there

and lastly I think you should run tghost on Luna to beat idef press corvi

oh nearly forgot I completely recommended trick room hoopa over gking with an eject pack

TDLR
Add Cress over Ice Horse
Made Luna sd facade headlong ice/fire punch w tghost
Make Hands sd and ice punch potentially over heavy slam, although ice punch should be better, and give it lefties or balloon
Use Hoopa U eject pack trick room over Gking
Make Hatt use sash and use psy noise over psychic, maybe misty explosion over dazzling too

and use cc on Hands if you want alongside supercell slam/wild charge with atk booster
That’s a really nice and strong wallbreaking set

[finite wadi]

Trying to get trickroom up and running after pory tb nerf seems rough

[queen saddle]

Not rlly
Lots of other mons set tr

and a good bit of them are really solid

[rugged peak]

is my team good

[quartz stream]

your hazard situation is a disaster

the only tool to keep hazards off is taunt lando

if the enemy has a deo-s lead, it gets rocks up and you can't do anything about it

or if a hatt magic bounces your rocks back

[rugged peak]

thats what i thought ive been finding this problem mainly

[quartz stream]

and then you have 2 mons that take 25% from rocks (dnite loses multiscale too), and 2 mons that are also weak to hazards taking spikes and rocks

the main mon you could switch out is like iron crown

[rugged peak]

I was thinking of replacing lando t for tusk

[quartz stream]

that or kyurem

[quartz stream]

that also works you have a dnite for ground immune

the intimidate is valuable though same for the uturn

[rugged peak]

I like my iron crown land t samurott-h core tho?

Flip turn u turn and volt switch

[quartz stream]

tusk that has to both set rocks and remove hazards will be overloaded anyways

not enough to support scale shot dnite and specs kyurem

[rugged peak]

Should i run defog

Even if its hazard stack

[quartz stream]

nah no defog yeah

you have no gambit answer

so here's a thought, kyurem -> quaquaval

tusk also works and might be better

[thorn cloud]

https://pokepast.es/adb1de6de31ac9a0

Triple regenerator core with Lokix and Enamarous

Boots spam too (I think)

[queen saddle]

Relatively standard, Bolt is a scary mu tho

[thorn cloud]

I see👀 any ideas to patch up the problems?

[quartz stream]

don't like the lack of a steel type

iron treads over great tusk helps with that and bolt but makes you lose to gambit

[queen saddle]

Axe kick Lokix can help with that

Although what I’m really concerned abt is sun bolt + wake cause usually you’re gonna tera

your gking

it’s a playable matchup though

Keep ice spinner on Treads tho Gliscor is annoying asf

you can use air balloon too

Lokix can easily 1v1 Gambit by threatening an ohko w axe kick and sucker punch can outspeed gambit

etc etc

[queen saddle]

Bump

[quartz stream]

ain't no way we're recommending axe kick lokix 💀

boots lokix is cope to begin with, but surely axe kick is hubris

[queen saddle]

It’s not bad tho?
Although it’s difficult to slot in it’s an answer to Gambit

[quartz stream]

seems standard

gren seems sus but it's a gren it's always sus

[queen saddle]

And boots isn’t cope whatsoever

It’s a pretty common lokix set

[quartz stream]

doesn't mean it's not cope

[queen saddle]

For not wanting to take hazard damage?

[quartz stream]

yeah

[queen saddle]

What’s really cope is the 3 lokix I’ve seen in one day trying to use sd life orb sucker

[quartz stream]

because if you are afraid to make things happen, you shouldn't be using a lokix

[quartz stream]

nah that's chad energy

[queen saddle]

Nah

You and me got completely diff opinions on Lokix bro 😔

[queen saddle]

Nonetheless I’d like some thoughts on this team too if possible

[round portal]

i think it might be a bit weak to opposing zama if iron val uses up booster

also might want some way to pressure opposing cinderace to prevent them from court changing for free

av kyurem could also be a really annoying mu to force ur zama/val consumables to be used

but in particular i think the zama match up is scariest

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/7253d7c1374a06f3 does this suck?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

no ogerpon switch

[jade cedar]

ghold?

and clef for knock off

[gritty lake]

not an answer

[gritty lake]

?? that doesnt do anything

ur water resist is samurott

wake also clicks hydro steam and wins

[jade cedar]

wait you're meaning woger or oger?

[gritty lake]

ogerpon wellspring

[jade cedar]

ohh that makes sense*

maybe like tera dragon torn and making clef a boots pult

[queen saddle]

I think double tghost special atkers should help with that

Since sludge wave does chunk it and tsteel can get ep

with val threatening encore locks

I have had a problem with ace lwk, just been forced to either delay screens or smth of the sort

Feels like Glimm is a really solid answer nonetheless, even with defensive pivots

I think av Kyurem is the least problematic

Since I have 3 ways of answering it
Although Zama and Val don’t like using their one time switch ability, Woger does have play rough which should ko after ivy damage

if my calcs aren’t wrong

[night epoch]

First time making a sunny day team, thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/cae3e8579560425c

[round portal]

sun teams basically dont work with manual terrain setters

you'd almost always prefer having a ninetales/torkoal

here are some examples of sun that have been tested

[night epoch]

Can you link the second one

[finite wadi]

https://pokepast.es/776ec6f45e69d23f

It was something like this

Might've been tera bug bolt I don't remember, been a while

[round portal]

i used the second one to hit rank 1 :P

its good ye

[queen saddle]

No rocks is odd

Surely the sample used rocks tusk

[nocturne sable]

It’s sun. Stuff like hazards aren’t as main of a focus

[finite wadi]

No. He used temper flare assault vest.

If you didn't even play why you try to correct m

By golly

[queen saddle]

My fault, just going off a general assumption of the importance of rocks

I don’t use samples

[finite wadi]

Ya well questioning vert is blasphemy

[queen saddle]

Just a simple question is all I asked tho

[finite wadi]

They made it a sample after all

What do we know

[queen saddle]

All I needed is what Quaqrash said

✌️

[jade cedar]

bro cool off 😭 the person just asked a question and you're acting like they did a public offense

[alpine hornet]

if ur gonna be arrogant at least link the proper team

https://pokepast.es/78c30840a77446df

@queen saddle here ya go

er wait wrong ping

@night epoch

[round portal]

i personally like the vert sample a lot more with balloon ceru and cc tusk :P

over temper

[quartz stream]

as I said you have 0 speed control (fast mon or priority) at all

woger isn't as big a problem as that, you have a zama which can cope its way into pressuring or beating a wellspring

[quartz stream]

aw hell nah the meatriding is crazy

all this glaze for a mad scientist whose sets would make 1100 elo players tremble in fear

[gray karma]

Use Ninetales or Torkoal over Thundu and Torna

Walking Wake and Bolt ofc

Smth like Tusk or Corvi

And after wtv u like, H-Typhlosion, Hisuian Lilligant, Ceruledge, Gambit, etc

[warm mica]

oh it's actually sunny day instead of sun

[glacial crypt]

Can you give me the team with this changes

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/eede4fb36a3662d4

[tropic hearth]

https://pokepast.es/1f3f9219556af494
it’s ok i quess although I’m not sure if i should change tread over tusk and i am playing with crown and hamurotts items AV hamurott feels iffy I’m thinking about switching it with scarf but double choice is kinda questionable

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

weak to slam zama

swap out crown for ghold

ghost can be any set but try scarf first

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/cfe05a981f7e34b8 i dont like lando here but

prolly can go corv>lando and then smth for ground?

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/3e6514c85bd98857

[gritty lake]

@nocturne sable

[quartz stream]

why do people keep making offense teams with 0 speed control

especially since the hrott will be half dead from setting hazards, so pult can be a giant issue

same for booster val with your team of 4 fairy weaknesses

any setup sweeper that can kill prevent roar just 6-0s you since no priority

just go lorb or silk scarf espeed dnite at the very least, if you want a non boots dnite

[quartz stream]

seems dnite can be very rough here, you might appreciate lando intimidate for it

[quartz stream]

points for creativity with the moth set, what are you losing to the team seems pretty fine

[gritty lake]

just made it

so wanted to know any flaws i wasnt seeing

[rugged peak]

could you rate this team https://pokepast.es/86b3e8b64ac8b861 it isnt mine i just want to know what makes top teams great

[gritty lake]

its a sample team that hit no. 1 on the ou ladder

[rugged peak]

read the message

it isnt mine

i want to know what is needed in teambuilding

to make good teams

[queen saddle]

fyi we don’t rate teams you don’t create

[rugged peak]

man i just wanted to know what makes good teams good

[queen saddle]

but it’s solid screens offense with some wincons

[rugged peak]

😭

[queen saddle]

Alongside tspike for additional support in damage

Allowing breakers to well break and win

also js how you play the team

[rugged peak]

thanks

that was helpful

[chilly tundra]

Pretty decent team, booster tusk seems a little weird but could work, idk

[round portal]

i think its a little weak to sm threats like ceruledge, ogerpon, dragapult, sludge rai

[quartz stream]

this is an HO so it always has the potential to reach high elo

the whirlwind moth set is cooking

my guess is the team was weak to zama and dnite but couldn't fit roar on zama

nobody expects to be phazed by an iron moth

apart from that it's just a pretty standard screens build, CM hatt, standard raging bolt, double dance gliscor, double dance wogerpon, and zama for screens

[quartz stream]

weak to dragapult

oger is another one yeah

you only have 1 speed control per game in booster tusk, so even if it beats one threat, the next will just cook you

and your speed control is also your most reliable hazard removal that's supporting a lefties kyurem, at least you also have defog for most matchups

could try AV alo, passing a wish to kyurem is probably a pipe dream

[ivory crater]

Man

i don't know if i'm built for team building

i decided to take an old sample team for a spin and shot up like 200 elo

is it even worth the trouble to build in the current state of gen 9

[gray karma]

Maybe try that balance team with Dondozo tinglu and cinderace

I always see it

[warm mica]

try build an elec terrain team

[ivory crater]

son

[quartz stream]

https://pokepast.es/7ca3e7bcb20c7401 looking for feedback on this HO team, I was thinking glimmora over hamu but not too sure after that

Zama, dnite, ival, and immediate power to defeat boost sweepers (for ex. on screens) are issues, and although I somehow haven't seen webs yet I also hard lose to it

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

iron crown is pretty weak and cope but I like having the steel type and the extra booster guy + it's a special attacker and it kinda helps with zama

[empty horizon]

https://pokepast.es/2b876b57af43961f rate this tr team i made? i need some help wit if thers any changes i should make lmk cuz im not the best at teambuilding

its a very pivoty team with 3 regenrator mons

but gets kinda walled by like great tusk

i basically lose to like sd great tusk or bulk up great tusk

[next girder]

it's a pretty good team, just that it looks like it's built for singles and not for doubles which is the dominant format for trick room teams

[empty horizon]

well thats cuz it is built for dingles

[empty horizon]

updates team:
https://pokepast.es/e3c1ec0daec66cb9

[empty horizon]

ok so now my team gets walled my everything LOL

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/7b10de07d793a017

This decent?

[gray karma]

You have two Headlong Rush on Tusk, maybe put Ice Spinner or Stealth Rock

[quartz stream]

team seems on the slow side

[chilly tundra]

Was a mistake, put rocks

[chilly tundra]

Any ideas on how to fix that?

Maybe I should just restart, Hoopa is bunyuns

[quartz stream]

hoopa is very hard to make work yeah

if ur new I would recommend avoiding hoopa

[chilly tundra]

I could try Specs IVAL Sand

Heard that’s decent and can be built in many different ways

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/51a5e2cbc2fa35e9

How’s this?

[quartz stream]

I heard smooth rock ttar isn't that good

I don't build sand though so idk

gambit could be tricky since all you have for it is specs ival

[gritty lake]

cornerpon>ghold and eject pex>mola

and nasty plot torn i think

[chilly tundra]

What Coger set?

SD?

[limber spear]

u need a better woger check here i think

scald mola+sand prolly wants a mon that doesnt get 2 hit by ivy

[quartz stream]

your woge check is going alo then going torn on the power whip

so not a real check

[chilly tundra]

Any ideas to fix that?

[quartz stream]

eject pex over mola is not the worst idea

sand teams often use hydrapple which is a great wellspring check

personally hydrapple replacing mola sounds like a way better idea than pex replacing mola

[chilly tundra]

Would I replace Cornerpon then?

[quartz stream]

try it both ways ig

with ghold and with corner

but you should be fine with ghold from what I can tell

[chilly tundra]

Scarf?

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/8795d88ea4cf4dca

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/a8e6923d6802877c

I’m enjoying this team, it’s pretty solid
Specs Gren does solid damage with hydro which is partially surprising
I wanted to build around specs Gren so I kinda just looked for nice offensive partners, which one was Zamazenta and I found Rillaboom to be a nice offensive piece too, providing priority and g terrain healing for the bulkier mons of my team

Decided to use knock off mandibles so I could use ice spinner Treads for Glis but not too sure

[jade cedar]

how does val feel?

[queen saddle]

less reliable speed control

[jade cedar]

huh? 😭

[queen saddle]

Val over Za would just provide less reliable speed control

Not being able to outpace stuff like Rai

[jade cedar]

I mean against it, how is your mu against it

[queen saddle]

Oh

Feels relatively fine although mixed sets r annoying

But after booster it’s alr

Might run steel Za tho

[jade cedar]

yeah I did notice that, booster seems troubling since all you have to do is take a wrong guess and rip

although if you're saving rilla you should be fine

[queen saddle]

Yeah

Rilla lwk goat on this team

[rapid sable]

https://pokepast.es/12d797e91bb5d672

[rapid sable]

ngl im pretty weak to hazards

[quartz lark]

Vile Stack
https://pokepast.es/c5edd0dae89f3301

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

doesn't zarude have anti-synergy with rain

make the gambit max speed jolly

could try rilla over zarude

for hazards not sure what can be done

[rapid sable]

ive switched zarude to treads

[rapid sable]

https://pokepast.es/b2bdfe05ca88a502 heres the updated one

still kinda mid but ive been picking up some wins

[quartz stream]

that sounds much better

also gives you an electric immunity for raging bolt

[rapid sable]

yeah

zarude was putting in some work though, going to try it sometime

[quartz stream]

team is weak to gambit, you need max speed on your gambit

[rapid sable]

yeah I might try that

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[woeful flax]

https://pokepast.es/9f19a6257695fbf9
How is this?

[limber spear]

tera dark should be paired with glasses

[gritty lake]

ts is a sample son

well not quite

but u clearly edited a sample

so just use the sample

[quartz stream]

what's with the tera rock glimmora

body press kyurem is not real

[limber spear]

no

av kyurem can afford that