SV OU Rates

[queen saddle]

If Im being real only 2 mons that are hazard stack ho are one your team

Excluding Lead Samu

[heavy dome]

okay cool thank you

idk much about pvp i kinda just took mons i like and ones that were good + coverage

i had gliscor bc i thought it would round out my team honestly

so yea its pretty random

[queen saddle]

Fair enough, if you don’t know much about the tier you could always try a sample and whatnot

Learn more

[heavy dome]

yea i was thinking about it but i also wanna make my own team

samples take all the fun out of teambuilding

and learning half of pvp

[queen saddle]

Fair point (I recommend doing samples, but lowkey I never used one, always did my own team building)

[heavy dome]

i also feel like if i run a sample im not gonna learn what actually makes it good

[queen saddle]

You will, it’s a part of learning how to use the team

[heavy dome]

that makes sense

also why is grimmsnarl a bad dual screen setter?

i thought prankster + parting shot would make him a good screen setter

[queen saddle]

There’s just non prankster mons that can do better too
Usually being naturally fast helps more
He can work, I’ve seen it

But I’ve also seen a lot more deo S, a ninetails, even Zama

Though Zama is usually used like that in natdex

Since he has better use

Also Deo S has things like taunt that cant be blocked

or even knock off

and superpower if you wanna be like that

[heavy dome]

i see i see

that makes sense

[empty silo]

https://pokepast.es/f2a68e35fab1a7db

[heavy dome]

im not very experienced with pvp but that zapdos seems pretty random

i dont see zapdos outside rain teams n if you want lightning coverage i see people just run rbolt

[limber spear]

mixing polteageist and pex in the same team is weird

🤔 🤔 🤔

teapot is ho mon and pex is better in like balance or stal typa stuff

also sash treads is weird as well? booster energy is prolly better as the lead item

it feels like it wants to be a ho but there r like 3 mons which doesn’t rlly belong to it

[empty silo]

Treads got OHKOd a bunch of times in other teams, that’s why

but maybe you are right, it doesn’t get OHKOd that often

[empty silo]

but

Toxic Spikes

[empty silo]

maybe I’ll go with that one

[empty silo]

I think that move is pretty useful, thus Toxa can serve as a defensive pivot sometimes?

[inner terrace]

zapdos is a very good mon on BO and sometimes balance and thats where you see it the most

[inner terrace]

this team is structurally flawed imo, sash on a bulkier team doesnt make too much sense to me

[empty silo]

wait, isn’t Zapdos specially offensive, bulky AND fast at the same time?

it’s allowed to be that due to being a legendary

[inner terrace]

you see it on rain sometimes but theres also stronger options available

for example raging bolt

[empty silo]

yeah, maybe that’s what the Hurricane is for

however, imagine this

[inner terrace]

zapdos is strong but it doesnt have that good offensive options

[empty silo]

using Hurricane against opposing rain teams

[inner terrace]

mostly discharge cane and heat wave

[knotty sundial]

that very matchup dependent

[inner terrace]

zapdos is mostly status/pivot

[empty silo]

“you brought in the rain? Get hurricaned”

[inner terrace]

so you see

zapdos runs hurricane cause they click it outside of rain

[knotty sundial]

hurricane is good for its own merits beyond just being anti rain tech

[inner terrace]

cause what other special flying stab do you have

literally just air cutter

not even air slash

[knotty sundial]

you have tera blast flying 😭 😭

[inner terrace]

anyways on the team i'd say use timg over treads and then val over polt

[empty silo]

what now over Polt?

iron valiant

ah

[empty silo]

Ting for Stealth Rock and overall physical walling?

the thing with Treads is that I think it is faster

yeah

having higher speed helps a lot

when I want to use stealth rock against any special attacker with base speed over 45

[inner terrace]

well it's specially bulky but can be nice vs some physicals

specials do like no damage to you unless it's SE thats what ting does

[empty silo]

I’ve been using Treads as a lead that uses stealth rock

and is also a rapid spinner

can Ting spin?

it can’t

[inner terrace]

treads as a rocker is not great imo esp on a slower structure

it cant but you have ace

[empty silo]

so which one of these guys is the spinner

[limber spear]

but like there’s glim if u want t spikes in ho

[inner terrace]

you dont need one

ace is enough half your team has boots

[empty silo]

ace?

[knotty sundial]

cinderace

[inner terrace]

cinderace

there is a cinderace on your team

[empty silo]

ah yeah

it has boots

[inner terrace]

it has court change

[empty silo]

I just can’t keep up with all the abbreviations sometimes

[inner terrace]

also specs val over polt

[queen saddle]

team doesn’t rlly feel viable

Just has random stuff mixed into it

I’d just run a defensive core of Zap Treads and Slowking Galar

[empty silo]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2583455548

battle with the updated version

[queen saddle]

Over pex

[round portal]

zapdos is quite viable in ou

[queen saddle]

and then build from there

[queen saddle]

Very viable

[knotty sundial]

!replays

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

It is related tho

[knotty sundial]

wait

[empty silo]

unless they are directly related to the conversation

[knotty sundial]

muscle memory 😭

I didn't realize what channel I was in

sowwy

[empty silo]

I’m showing the updated version of the team

[queen saddle]

Lmao

[queen saddle]

Can you send a paste of your team?

[round portal]

built this a while ago https://pokepast.es/6966db6b695f684b

[empty silo]

https://pokepast.es/f147c7b7dfa3e2f2

here it is

[round portal]

kyu looks like a hard mu

off the top of my head

like if a subtect kyu tera grounded t1 there wouldnt be too much counter play

[empty silo]

abbreviation confusion moment

[round portal]

uhh

the substitute protect kyurem set

with earth power and freeze dry

i feel like glim should be some thing that can switch in at least once into kyu like a zama, slowking-galar etc

tusk and lando also click super freely into this

[limber spear]

tbf there’s a gambit although it’s no bulk but no ground immune rlly do suck

[queen saddle]

Tbh I like the first idea I said for your team

It feels eh rn

visible weaknesses but struggle to fix while keeping the team structure

Like I don’t like Glimm here

and I don’t like Gambit + Bolt

Because their priority moves are just gambling wars

and you’re doing that but 2x

Your fastest mon being ace leaves this pretty Rai weak the moment Lu gets chipped a bunch by ice beam

and hazards

Like a specs Rai after Lu is gone or chipped enough

Is clicking dark pulse

Val can tank but bc its specs it can swap out

ofc

and then just sludge

[queen saddle]

Like for example the core I stated is good along with the mons you added like specs Val

Ace

and Dragapult too for speed control

it’s pretty flexible tbh

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/1c9cf7a6f122b9ec would you say this is a better team?

[queen saddle]

Gking and Pech in one team is something that

you don’t rlly want

Tusk is very free into the team so you have 2 paths

Gking Zap or Pech sp def Molt

You also want rocks

and I dont like dnite

I’d add big dog Za for speed control

No hazard control tho..

Nvm, replace Dnite for smth like Tusk for rocks and a dark resist, along with Dragapult over Ghold

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/38b3430738f0568d

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[queen saddle]

specs Pult is better for immediate pressure

Eh, don’t think you need spikes on Gliscor anymore because you don’t have Gholdengo

Or pech

[final relic]

dont use pult here this is basically 3/4 of the way to a specs kyurem team

[queen saddle]

Shi

I forgot about that thing

[final relic]

you want an ace here for extra removal and to make you better into kingambit

probably dont need gliscor here

[tawdry locust]

i want gliscor

[final relic]

hmm

well if you wanna run hstack you need knock off

run that on ogerpon

uturn knock ivy cudgel encore is good but it really doesnt matter the set as long as you have cudgel and knock

the darkrai matchup is really bad here

probably need one of zamazenta, kingambit

[tawdry locust]

so zama instead of pult

[final relic]

nah definitely keep the pult

ok heres what you can do

drop ogerpon for samurott

make glisc sd

specs pult

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/bd4889b492dd3f80

like this?

[final relic]

av samu, helps with things like darkrai and moth

you also want tera grass zap to make ogerpon mu easier

speaking of zap, you can run uturn discharge over twave+volt switch

helps keep momentum vs ground types

[tawdry locust]

ok cool

any other adjustments

[final relic]

idts

try that out

[tawdry locust]

its fire lowkey

thank you very much

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/4f6250231dc07aac

[nocturne sable]

How do you not have a Tera type on your chesnaught?

[cedar jay]

yeah tahts weird his tera type is grass

[nocturne sable]

Anyways this chesnaught set is unoptimal. But if you’re running a Belly drum grassy glide set on g terrain you probably want Knock off to hit ghost like pecharunt & gholdengo with maybe Tera dark to boost knock off or steel to be immune to malignant chain

This team is also generally too slow, you have set up sweepers like chesnaught zoarrok & hamu that want to make progress fast then you have random defensive Gliscor and gholdengo

Team doesn’t synergies well

[cedar jay]

there mostly to slow down targets so i can setup chestnaughts bellydrum

[nocturne sable]

Belly drum chesnaught is a very gimmicky and Unreliable wincon in the first place, since it usually gets stopped easily by ghost like dengo pecha etc and it’s way too slow to effectively set up and sweep

[cedar jay]

is there a way i can optimize it at least

[elder knoll]

not using EQ Gliscor on G-Terran

Would be a good start

g-Terrain reduces eq damage

[wintry crow]

Wanted to try a kyurem + glowking core. Are there any changes I can make to this team?

https://pokepast.es/04cfb798c13b828c

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[inner terrace]

you dont need both tusk and treads

[wintry crow]

I get rid of treads?

[inner terrace]

sure

add a pivot like cinderace

[queen saddle]

I like t ice Tusk here

[wintry crow]

Offensive pivot right?

[queen saddle]

boosted ice spinner with snow seems nice

[wintry crow]

Oh yea

I didnt think abt that

Are the items and moves alright?

https://pokepast.es/28585efd315249d1

[queen saddle]

Tbh you could try bulky ace, op specs Kyurem is annoying

and even dd

[wintry crow]

op?

[queen saddle]

op

Meant to say

opp

mb

Im tripping rn

but basically opposing

[wintry crow]

Oh yea

[wintry crow]

Does it have any counters?

[queen saddle]

usually sp def gking is enough

but urs is phys def

[wintry crow]

Wouldn't it get dropped by earth power?

[queen saddle]

Not dropped
although chunked

regen just heals u up tho

and you go tornt for free

[wintry crow]

What if it isnt specs tho

Like sub leftovers

[queen saddle]

sludge bomb can help w subtect along w ice beam if they tera ground

fsight sludge bomb pressure is nice

[wintry crow]

Going vs screens stall rn

What do I do 😭

[tidal rune]

https://pokepast.es/c332ecc36fc06699

Im struggling getting Azumarill setup i want a bulky sweeper or a staller in return. The other pkmn are doing well

[wintry crow]

Nvm he forfeited

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/eabc04065e744276

tried playing in the builder, this is what I came up with.

BU speed booster tusk+Torn should help with general speed control+priority from rilla gambit and chesnaught ig.

Glimmora is your hazard control here. Should be fine on structures like this. And helps with pecharunt.

Changed chesnaughts set like I said earlier. You might aswell run max speed evs because you hit 227 which is a very important speed tier to outspeed stuff like defensive Gliscor, defensive moot.

Chesnaught also basically loses to most of the birds. But between head smash tusk+glimmora you can bait these birds and help clear them out the way for Chesnaught. This is not a tested team and there are probably alternatives but I think this is a decent start

Sorry it took this long to reply lots of disruptions while I was trying to get to your team

[cedar jay]

oh yeah this is way better

now i can deal with fast pokemon

[nocturne sable]

Yea

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/3942f7b193161342

How do I fix this team?

I've realized I basically hv no switchins to specs tera ghost pult

[round portal]

rai looks like a tough match up also

[vivid scroll]

https://pokepast.es/34a13dd7e2843c37 sun team, won 3 in a row (i am new can someone pls gimme some advice on how i can improve this?)

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[round portal]

tera fire iron defence zama looks like a really hard matchup

[vivid scroll]

never heard or seen that

[vivid scroll]

https://pokepast.es/a7dfb6104c3a66e7 updated version btw

[round portal]

tera fire is pretty common to get past burns and molt

[frosty plinth]

https://pokepast.es/f6dccaefe880f26c
Just wanted to update some of the sets, protect isn't really that great of a move on most mons that aren't gliscor or wish users.
Heat rock > leftovers for more turns is vital
Sd > victory dance, you don't need the extra speed when you're already so fast under sun. You also don't need the defense boost that much
Made weezing defog (you need removal)
You also forgot tera on alot of mons

One more thing I want to mention is that Volcanion isn't that great on sun. Sun itself ruins the damage from water type attacks and it doesn't do anything to benefit Volcanions already existing water immunity

[frosty plinth]

Oh and forgot to mention but u probably should make volcanion faster

At least 200 speed but preferably max speed modest

[vivid scroll]

thx for the attention! what is better than the volcano?

• what do you think about:
  Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
  Ability: Intimidate
  Tera Type: Rock
  EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  Adamant Nature

• Outrage
• U-turn
• Earthquake
• Stone Edge

[frosty plinth]

Probably walking wake
It's a staple for sun teams

Do you know how to access the Smogon dex

[frosty plinth]

It could work but (assuming you get wake) you're mostly fine speed wise

[vivid scroll]

ive heard of it, but sometimes the sets dont match what i need

[frosty plinth]

You also want stealth rocks on your team

[frosty plinth]

Alr
I'd grab the wake set (sun sweeper) and use that

[vivid scroll]

ty

[vivid scroll]

should i use timid or modest? the water move with modest is a total nuke but idk if i should prioritize speed

[frosty plinth]

Modest hydro steam p much ohkoes anything that isn't immune or x4 resistant (or blissey) but like
I'd probably still go with speed booster wake

Just better to clean up after your other mons do the breaking

[knotty sundial]

blissey is inherently 4x resistant to all special attacks not named psyshock, psystrike, or secret sword (unless you are specs tera fire chi-yu in sun)

[sterile lark]

https://pokepast.es/964da472613d5fbd I'm new to competitive and want to try make a good team with this pokemon (I just wanna play Showdown), how can i improve this team

[quartz lark]

The Moon's Elbow
https://pokepast.es/1e849b62b6413fcf

[jade cedar]

what's the evs spread on haw for?

[frosty plinth]

Why not rvoltage on bolt

[wintry crow]

https://pokepast.es/c0c7084897460ef7

How could I change this team? (Please @ me if you respond)

[regal ginkgo]

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[quiet prism]

https://pokepast.es/80ab248028da4f56
On trying this team out I’ve seen that it does pack somewhat of a punch especially hawlucha carrying my late games, but I think this could be made better.

[quartz lark]

treads/tusk removing terrain is a looming threat.

[quartz lark]

creep is for scarf rai

[frosty plinth]

I mean I guess

But

U team pressures them pretty well

[toxic crag]

I started PvP fairly recently but I like this team and so far it’s playing fairly consistently https://pokepast.es/e222ba1d9d0a792d

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[nocturne sable]

Standard comp, I suggest getting a ground immune to help deal with ground types.

Btw you have to decide your Tera type, they are pretty essential for counterplay in SVOU

Anyways I would replace one of gholdengo/dragapult/ival maybe for a flying type like moltres for example. Moltres will help give you a fire resist also dealing with cinderace etc.

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/b9be2cdd81126055

[nocturne sable]

I think Chilly glowking is better here than AV when you’re running stuff like kix+bolt you want to be a volt turn spam kinda team.

[toxic crag]

Alright thank you 🙏

[lucid onyx]

I tried tht too but then I couldn't handle most special mons

[toxic crag]

@nocturne sable would lando therian work?

Or should I focus on fire type

[nocturne sable]

Meh you already have a rocks setter and you don’t want to be stacking that ice weakness

I think molt is fine

[toxic crag]

Galar or normal?

[nocturne sable]

Kanto moltres

(Normal)

[toxic crag]

Alright thank you 🙏

I’ll work on terras next after that

[nocturne sable]

If you want a special Mon for your volt turn team then run AV mola

[lucid onyx]

Oo alr I'll try tht, tysm

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/2c3ba4b8e05b0025

Something something like this

[lucid onyx]

Tysm!

[lucid onyx]

Why not mirror coat on alo though?

[nocturne sable]

Meh, I don’t think mirror coat mola is that necessary since most of the time your clicking flip turn.

And body slam+play rough is really useful for Woger & darkrai

[lucid onyx]

Alr then

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/376189dce58cc631 how is this?

[quartz lark]

Requiem
https://pokepast.es/f0fea41933fbb7ab

[jade cedar]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking-Galar in Sun: 247-291 (62.6 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu in Sun: 227-268 (44.1 - 52.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

jesus ;-;

ironically blissy still walls

[nocturne sable]

I like toxic glowking on more bulkier builds that can afford to stall out toxic turns rather than this offense team. You’re better off with teritary coverage or thunder wave to halve speed.

I think you would also appreciate some priority here, I would go offensive sucker punch ace here and wisp rai instead

[nocturne sable]

Wasting a team slot on pinchurchin just to boost iron moth is not ideal.

Moth should already be fine without eterrain, if you want speed control then use walking wake like every other sun team

Boring advice ik but Sun is already a solved archetype kinda.

I get wanting the sun boost+quark drive boost but you’re wasting a slot on a semi-functional pokemon like pinchurchin just for one pokemon on your team in iron moth

[quartz lark]

Tried combining hazard stack + weather + terrain.

Definitely sacrificing some quality of a pure sun here with the merging.

[jade cedar]

won't I need a knocker?

[nocturne sable]

For what

You’re not Hstack

[jade cedar]

I feel mixed val with knock kinda recks the team with to the edits

[nocturne sable]

That’s kinda bound to happen when your main answer is glowking

I guess you can make glowking colbur berry

To deal with that

[mighty anchor]

what i change guys?

[nocturne sable]

Should be fine without boots with ace+lando hazard control

[jade cedar]

btw can I go full hp/Def lando?

[nocturne sable]

This is probably not the channel for this. This is SV OU and mons like Calyrex shadow rider & xerneas are banned

[mighty anchor]

oh sry, where i send this?

[nocturne sable]

What is this even for exactly

[nocturne sable]

^

[mighty anchor]

pvp with my friends

[nocturne sable]

Then the comp channels probably can’t help you with that as we don’t really rate for ingame stuff with arbitrary rules

Sorry

[quartz lark]

The Cityzens
https://pokepast.es/288ff838429aef88

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

I feel like here you’re just making a worst version of the blimax structure

[humble elk]

chatbox what we think of making tusk defensive(just changing its evs to 252 hp 252 spe 4 atk) in my experience its a bit frail and I think a powerful move like hrush + stab is powerful enough for atk investment to not matter

[quartz lark]

Just went over to samples and yeah I see the overlap.

[oblique remnant]

Do I need more special attackers

[worn socket]

https://pokepast.es/e79afab8306c3fac

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[nocturne sable]

Tera blast highkey sucks unless you’re running an SD set. Sub drill would rather run rock slide

Speed tiers are also in the gutter, I rather you run offensive Zapdos here since you have hydrapple to be a physical check

[worn socket]

jolly TB ice does get quite a few ohkos from the calcs i did, but yea its tera reliant and this set just cant hit balloon ghold w/o tb ice

[nocturne sable]

You’re better off running rock slide eq excadrill with sub spin

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/ec69a2b874e2824c

[oblique remnant]

?

[nocturne sable]

Next time post in pokepaste

AV rilla is on this team for no reason

[oblique remnant]

Alr

[oblique remnant]

yea it felt kinda wrong to have it. What can I swap it out for?

[queen saddle]

Much rather prefer slowking G over Pex

[lucid onyx]

Yes I made tht change

Ty though

[frosty plinth]

https://pokepast.es/ebb1a61449e33b9b
just made ts. I'm noticing it's weak to Kyurem, Garg, and somewhat on the slow side

How would I fix that here or should I js scrap the 6

[nocturne sable]

I think this 6 is perfectly fine, it’s just how you view it matters

https://pokepast.es/a47ba015c0616d30 I only made some small suggestions here:

you can make dnite covert cloak dd if you’re struggling into garg pecha etc. made it Tera ground to resist those+raging bolt thunderclap. Jolly to creep Dragapult since you’re not ekiller set anyways.

I made woger 4 attacks over spikes. I feel like woger had more value as a trader here and knock+play rough & leech is good into trading with most mons.

Made Val vacuum wave>trick. I don’t think your stall MU is bad with heatran & woger on your side. Vacuum wave is more useful for the extra priority your team will prob need.

Also made pech rocky helmet because, it’s kinda free lol. You have boots tusk don’t think there’s a reason to be boots when you’re not that hazard weak. Helmet Can help with chipping U-turn clicks and stuff.

[frosty plinth]

Yea I made that pech change a second after I posted the team
I was also considering using tera fairy covert Dnite now? Especially since tblast is probably getting banned soon (idk about you, definitely voting ban on it)

[nocturne sable]

Eeh I considered Tera fairy dnite when I was looking at the builder but I thought you would want that poison resist to better 1v1 pecharunt

[frosty plinth]

Yea fair

[oblique remnant]

Is only raging bolt as a strong spatk bad?

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/800c5db924c6766b

[regal ginkgo]

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[tepid hazel]

hi guys i replaced lu with glimmora and I replaced spikes on chomp with earthquake

[inner terrace]

this team looks very decompressed imo

you have samu and chomp and glimm but one mon sets both

so there isnt really a need for samu at that point

[tepid hazel]

its for water resist

[tepid hazel]

what does that mean..?

[inner terrace]

i think dnite as a water resist is better

and val over tusk imo

[tepid hazel]

why is val better than tusk here?

headlong rush with boostsynthesis does great damage

[inner terrace]

im just saying shit ngl i just mean the role compression is wack

val is better cause you get 6-0d by zama once ghold gets chipped

[tepid hazel]

ohhhh icic

should I run booster on val?

[elder knoll]

0 speed control 😔

[inner terrace]

yes

val needs booster on these teams

you need the speed your fastest mon is chomp rn

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/43a76fd4f24795eb

This is what i did yo

[nocturne sable]

…. Half these sets are unviable

Please just run the standard smogon sets

[wintry crow]

Prolly gonna have to scrap the valiant and dnite sets

[oblique remnant]

https://pokepast.es/baf4fff286b9f5ea
i removed rilla and added moth

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[gray karma]

Run sample moveset like ddance Dnite mixed val or scarf dengo it's as u wish

[gray karma]

Maybe use tera crystal ground for moth it's good to counter heatran

[gray karma]

https://pokepast.es/75f0138c2301e833 i tried to modify the moveset

I added tusk over garchomp because you have no entry hazards remover and no real counter to tera crystalized gambit

[oblique remnant]

tera crystal ground?

Oh tera ground

I have made it tera ground

[nocturne sable]

This is not bad, although my preference is having offensive glimmora>iron moth here and making tusk Tera poison taunt BU instead

Would also make zama resto chesto here

Instead of roar

[oblique remnant]

Whats the resto chesto set?

I can’t find it on the wiki

Tera poison taunt for tusk? what do you think I should remove for taunt and whats tera poison for?

[scarlet nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/fa9567734a21782c

wanted to just build a wacky team for a friend

[wintry crow]

Built a regenerator spam team with a glowking kyurem core. Are there are improvements I can make?

https://pokepast.es/2f51a3fa2647ba5f

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2587271118

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[nocturne sable]

It’d just rest Chesto berry zama

[nocturne sable]

At this point you probably should make Mola AV instead of boots if you’re going full spdef

Team is super slow asf outside of Torn but then again this is like Quadruple Regen spam

[oblique remnant]

Oh so rest instead of roar

[wintry crow]

I have scarf kyurem

[nocturne sable]

Ye ye

And Chesto berry to wake up from rest

[wintry crow]

Is AV worth losing wish?

[nocturne sable]

But your team lacks any sort of breaking power

Your regen spam

Wish is not that important

[wintry crow]

Its mainly for kyurem

Nvm you're right

I'll try it

[oblique remnant]

Alr

[nocturne sable]

Your ice weaknesses is also very bad vs opposing kyurem Match ups

You need a steel or a fire type here

[wintry crow]

What do you suggest I do for this? Choice specs on this kyurem set almost single handedly beats stall, but then I wont have speed control.

[nocturne sable]

And you basically lose to gambit as well

[wintry crow]

Before I had a lowkick gambit to deal with other gambits and provide priority

But kyurem and torn are weak to rocks

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/197d319faf3f06f7

ngl I think you just need to drop Half the regen mons here and only resort to two. 4 regen mons+kyurem is never going to work since you’re missing out on other important role compression like hazard control, speed control, ice resistance, gambit check, etc.

I think you’re better off just keeping Hydrapple+glowking as your regen core

And making torn & mola Gambit & ace instead

[wintry crow]

Ace?

[limber spear]

cinderace

[wintry crow]

Thank you

[wintry crow]

Would keeping torn instead of ace be fine?

My team would rely on glowking a lot on the special defensive side

[nocturne sable]

Nah your team needs that extra removal

Solo tusk removal with 2 hazard weak mons isn’t ideal

You should be fine into most special attackers with gambit+glowking alone

[wintry crow]

I lose to iron val tho

[nocturne sable]

No you don’t. You have ace & glowking

[wintry crow]

https://pokepast.es/027081cf406e96a3

What do I do vs focus blast darkrai

Or play rough ogerpon

[nocturne sable]

Okay so #1, in my paste I had rocky helmet apple instead of boots, idk why that was changed

2 you literally have the premier woger check in hydrapple. This is one of the main reason you keep helmet. You also have cinderace which can outspeed and click U-turn/pyro/wisp for free??

3 on focus blast darkrai, maybe you can try Tera fairy blast kingambit. Although ace can also live a rai hit and chip as well.

Also for future cases, please consider the paste I sent instead of just changing the set immediately after.

[wintry crow]

Mb I didn't copy paste your sets

[nocturne sable]

It’s fine

But yea generally focus rai can get annoying, but focus can miss and you can Tera out of that mess

[wintry crow]

Ty

[wintry crow]

Was there a better way for me to play this?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2587342134

[nocturne sable]

Just by looking at the team comp you probably could have won this easily ye

[wintry crow]

I mean I won

Js tryna find my mistakes

[nocturne sable]

General advice when you have the opportunity to go for a sweep go for it

No reason to click ep with hydrapple on the arcanine when nasty plot was free

And once arcanine Tera water should have been looking for opportunities to get kyurem in

Because it was a free 6-0

[wintry crow]

Yea i realized kyurem was good towards the end

Shoulda noticed sooner

[wintry crow]

Blizzard on Kyurem woulda 2 shot umbreon right?

[nocturne sable]

Easily

Tera ice blizzard kyurem 2 shots basically everything

[wintry crow]

Aight thanks

Does the damage calculator not take snow 50% ice boost into account?

[knotty sundial]

snow doesn't boost ice type moves

it boosts the physical defense of ice types

[nocturne sable]

Snow only boost defences of ice types

It’s just kyurems raw power that makes it able to 2hko most stuff

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/684ccc3981091a16

[oblique remnant]

is glimmora better than moth here?

[nocturne sable]

Meeh moth can be fine here but I like the utility Glimmora can give here it will give you hazard+hazard removal

[oblique remnant]

I see

and what is tera poison taunt bulk up tusks purpose?

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/2da3c2ca8197373e

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[nocturne sable]

Beats corv, toxic Gliscor and can resist fairies like enam Val etc

[final relic]

max speed za

just go 252 def 252 speed

on screens

im not sure about latias being the only functional spatker

[gritty lake]

why not

[final relic]

it can work but like

[elder knoll]

gambit should prob be low kick asw 😔

[final relic]

generally want something else such as golt, moth, rai

either faster/more immediate power without needing many turns/provides some utility like tspikes absorption/your own tspikes/phazing (red card rai/whirl moth)

[gritty lake]

why

[gritty lake]

well what would you suggest then

[oblique remnant]

Oh

[final relic]

rai can work, pulse sludge focusblast np tera poison with red card

[gritty lake]

over wha

[final relic]

lati

[oblique remnant]

What should I replace for taunt?

[final relic]

taunt bu headlong stone edge/head smash

[gritty lake]

team was build because i wanted to use lati tho :(

[nocturne sable]

Like potato said you run Taunt Bu headlong rush Head smash with bu taunt tusk

[final relic]

its just youre very owned by np ghold if it focus blasts your gambit on the switch

rai or golt is better into most offense

[gritty lake]

ok

[gritty lake]

do i make it fairy blast asw lol

two fairy blasting darks this is peak

[final relic]

usually you want only 1 tb user/team

molt should just be stabs double dance

or if you really want drop hurricane for taunt

[winged topaz]

yo which of these teams is better? they both revolve around the breaking core of Hoopa-U + Future Sight Glowking, but one is Assault Vest Hoopa and the other is Choice Band, with no other difference. i wanna see how the item change affects the rest of the team to help me understand teambuilding better, cheers
https://pokepast.es/de231dd09b975aa6 (AV)
https://pokepast.es/e125a71a666e258b (CB)

ill admit that the CB team is unpolished, as in i havent done enough testing with it, but i think there's enough of an idea to understand why what pokemon runs what set

[nocturne sable]

First one is like the most standard Hoopa build ever so you should be fine

Btw on the first one hyperspace fury is trash on AV run thunderbolt & psychic noise instead

Second one just gets 6/0ed by Val

And basically most fairies if glowking gets chipped

Even Tera fairy gambit gets a free 6/0 on that second team

So yea just stick with the first one, comp is more proven and more solid to begin with

[raw laurel]

Sv ou team I made
https://pokepast.es/086e78d0c325070d

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[raw laurel]

Only issue is I feel like I gave Scizor too much roles. Like he's by far the most important mon on the team and idk if he has the actual sustain to be that

Aside from that I have a glowking kyurem break core and alolamola+ kyurem break core on the physical side.

Landorus is to basically be an annoying mon for the opponent using taunt and setting up hazards

The reason I run psychic on the physical hoppa is basically to catch iron valiant and great tusk switch ins off guard and it will ohko uninvested or not

The general strategy of the team is to lead with landorus stop hazards and set up my own hazards then u turn out into glowking or alolamola into kyurem or hoopa and then tera fairy on the one that's most desirable to tera fairy for in that matchup

[scarlet nacelle]

yeah the scizor is doing too much here

like on offense teams sitrus berry defog scizor can work

and we do not need banded hoopa & specs kyu you've got too much immediate power

[raw laurel]

Damn

[scarlet nacelle]

while missing on other things like speed control and meaningful resists

[raw laurel]

Uhh what resists am I lacking I'm not super good at remembering them all at once

[scarlet nacelle]

mainly a ghost resist

[raw laurel]

Ghost is the worst type to not resist man 💔

Forgot Abt that

Yeh I remember dreading seeing dragupults a lot

Cuz I had to bend over backwards to deal with the stab shadow ball spam

[raw laurel]

Is this better?
https://pokepast.es/0e1782658e41a34a

[limber spear]

do u rlly need psychic on cb hoppa

🤔

also meow isn’t a good ghost resist

and no pon check too esp when there’s a mola

[raw laurel]

Zen headbutt probably ohkoes better than psychic even for specially weak pokemon yeah

[raw laurel]

Ngl idek what good ogerpon checks are

[limber spear]

there’s r like dragons pech weez (uh prolly also phy def glowking(?) and then most flyers not named moltres and lando

also grasses

[raw laurel]

On none of the teams I've made ever have I felt like I had a somewhat decent ogerpon check against at least 70% of its sets 😭

[raw laurel]

Yeah most likely

Dragon tera pecharunt sounds very interesting lmao

[limber spear]

i meant like dragon types and then pech and weez

dragon minus pult prolly

[raw laurel]

Oh

[raw laurel]

I mean yeh dragupult gets decimated by an ivy cudgel it's probably a 2hko

[limber spear]

so prolly can go like phy def glowking with tera grass + tickle mola for pon mu?

i never rlly tried that but i heard it’s ok for pon mu

[raw laurel]

Bro I encountered a tickle mola and shit was so infuriating I gotta try it

Yeh phy def glowking sounds like a good idea

[raw laurel]

How's this (forgot to put tera grass on)

[limber spear]

i was thinking like mola lu glowking ace corv hoops

but then that’s like a fat

[raw laurel]

Yeh for now I'm def running a pretty offensive leaning team

[limber spear]

or just go krai>meow for a real ghost resist

prolly like wisp ? for gambit

[scarlet nacelle]

if thats the case then idk if defog sciz is good enough removal

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/04d7a601c6c5f984

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[quartz lark]

Liverpool F.C.

https://pokepast.es/bf7276a41e515e4d

[gritty lake]

someone rate 🙏

[quartz lark]

It’s their day off

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/c6a0e45ae522446f

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[final relic]

you want some removal here with ceru, moth even if its literally just like glim

something like treads

maybe bu tusk > zama

fit a red card glimm in there

some potential ideas

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/50d2ff1b4ece9122

[nocturne sable]

My thing with this garchomp set is how are we making progress vs fairies like enam & iron valiant? This feels very MU fishy to me and unreliable.

That chomp set is walled by enam basically

FWIW if you want to keep the same idea of dragon tail chomp, then I think your core of the team should be chomp deo glimm & Ghold

[queen saddle]

Set was supposed to be breaker chomp as well

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/682ee64ba1ec57ce

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[deep locust]

Thoughts on the team?

I haven't played into stall yet so that's my main concern

[nocturne sable]

Deo+glimm as utility hazards, Ghold for blocking removal & breaking, then ig you can keep your dragon tail chomp.

https://pokepast.es/df301cba967421f9 im thinking something along the lines of this. This can work as long as you don’t run into tread teams consistently.

[cedar jay]

i call it glass cannon sun team

[jade cedar]

isn't tera blast ice usually better on thunder-t?

[queen saddle]

Fairy is better defensively and also its very useful to spam fairy stab

[nocturne sable]

Not necessarily Tera fairy is the most commonly used thundy-T set

Because you’re good into raging bolt

And more defensive utility overall

[shell yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/a449089646a14ac6
any suggestions for additions/changes/different mons (willing to swap landorus)
No idea what dnite set to use

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[queen saddle]

Bump

[gritty lake]

if i drop dtail can i retain the original 6

[nocturne sable]

Probably yea because otherwise the 6 is like pretty standard screens offense

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/ec0b892373d5f748

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/e9a9903421fae191
Haven’t seen specs Prim in a while, so wanted to test it out.
Has been great at pressuring and breaking things, other than Pex really unless in torrent range.
Thundy T is also incredible, making raging bolt set up fodder and sweeping.

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[queen saddle]

Wanted a tspike soaker too so added Overquil

If Im being real only problem so far outside of what I’ve seen with potential Toxapexes and Kyurem is overquil missing gunks
PS- Noticed Toxakroak or however u spell it is a threat too

P sure that’s js smth I gotta deal w tho since the rest of the team is pretty accurate

Should I use psychic on Prim? Seems like it’d beat Pex and ice beam isn’t rlly useful when surf under rain is ohkoing Gliscor too

or even sometimes w out rain

It is specs

[fervent arch]

https://pokepast.es/42980c369ae7898a Thoughts on this team? I tried to give it a lot of balance

It's a trick room team with multiple supports and bulky sweepers

[knotty sundial]

a trick room team needs to be less slow

uh

wait I realize how that sounds

by less slow I don't mean higher speed stats

by less slow I mean it needs to be more offensive

in general though trick room in singles is inherently not great unless it's a case of a mon using trick room to support its own sweep (rather than supporting other mons on the team, which wastes a turn of tr)

[fervent arch]

It's supposed to be for doubles

[knotty sundial]

oh, standard ou is singles

if you want doubles ou you should ask in the Smogon doubles channel

and change the format to doubles ou

[fervent arch]

Ah

[knotty sundial]

or vgc if that's what you're going for

[nocturne sable]

#1051236342740308089 you’ll see double

[knotty sundial]

ya they posted there now

[nocturne sable]

Probably make chomp Tera fire but this should be fine

[quartz lark]

Make this a dynasty

[nocturne sable]

From a glance this looks standard what exactly is the problem here

Wait hold up

Why are we double rocks bruh

[knotty sundial]

yea just run spikes lu

[nocturne sable]

The comp is fine but the problem is the double rocks

https://pokepast.es/9f9429f6b1ddb667

[wintry crow]

How could I improve this team (I alr know I'm really weak to fairy)? I wanna keep the core of Glowking, Hoopa-U, and Kyurem.

https://pokepast.es/b8ca1ca5fd1ac13f

[quartz lark]

Miss click

[nocturne sable]

Fire enough

[nocturne sable]

If you’re running Hoops Kyu glowking then both Kyu and hoops can’t be choiced as the same time otherwise the team is slow asf

Unless you do like scarf hoopa but meh

I would rather make one of them AV, and get speed control like ace on the team

[wintry crow]

So AV Hoopa, Specs Kyurem?

[wintry crow]

Then Ace instead of Mandibuzz?

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/8102ac0c9c747536

something like this

[wintry crow]

Preciate it

[minor lark]

New to competitive and attempted to team build with a bit of inspiration from stuff I found online

Give as much criticism as necessary plz, I know it’s probably not that great https://pokepast.es/50317cb827a9e316

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[final relic]

uh

what tier is this for

[knotty sundial]

regardless of tier, make sure every mon has an item

but yeah this team is not legal in svou (I notice pursuit)

[minor lark]

Oh I’m sorry my bad

Also idk what happened when I pasted it over, tyranitar is supposed to be holding his mega stone and ninetales is supposed to be holding an icy rock

[knotty sundial]

oh

is this a team for national dex then?

megas aren't legal in sv ou

[minor lark]

Yeah I guess so my bad then I should’ve looked into that more I thought it was legal

So just copy paste into Natdex ou?

[woeful bone]

https://pokepast.es/8139b76740f9ab5b

how's this? I've been trying to build around kyurem

[empty sand]

https://pokepast.es/6b0249e51fee08aa

im not sure if iron valiant and zamazenta are a good fit for this hazard stack.

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/3d3d82dd9d481222
I DESPISEEEE Kyurem so I built this
PS- T steel is on Hoopa to resist dual stabs and earth power doesn’t do crap half the time, esp w a spdef immune
Additional PS- Sub Za over roar has given me better results

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[queen saddle]

Only mixed Kyurem can beat this

😼

MAYBE

that’s a maybe but I still got a lotta counters

[raw laurel]

This team got me to 1400 quite easily and I've never gotten to 1400 with a team I've made before this. Is it good enough to keep performing as long as my skill keeps improving?

https://pokepast.es/24e6e53b6d7c4dc0

Slowking and kyurem are the breaking core. Chilly reception makes kyurem unnecessarily tanky and it makes blizzard unable to miss.

Kingambit is the endgame sweeper

Great tusk clears hazards with almost 100% CONSISTENCY. Knocks off. Deals damage. Sets up hazards and is a physical wall. It just does everything and it also punishes sun teams because it'll gain proto synthesis for free it just does everything man.

Ogerpon is my lead 80% of the time. They have spikes which is unexpected. I almost always tera with them or kingambit. Embody aspect is broken. It also has a pivot move and setup. Ogerpon is never meant to sweep or even be able to kill more than one mon I just want him to punish walls for passivity without having to switch or trying to deal damage.

Pecharunt is the true physical wall. And its role is just a normal pecharunt who walls physical threats and can pivot.

[nocturne sable]

This is not bad, standard kyu comp.

Although I think you want a ground immune.

https://pokepast.es/713eb94cd3445f9c

Covert cloak Tera fly dnite will help you vs woger (at least until the Tera blast suspect)

Ace offers secondary removal which is important for specs kyu teams.

[raw laurel]

ahhh thank you so much. Ground immune is super important

[raw laurel]

I think this is a lot better than what I have i'm rly glad u suggested this. Can u suggest leads and the general gameplan with this team though?

[nocturne sable]

Ace is a easy pokemon to lead with

Just lead and if it’s a bad mu and you live/outspeed you U-turn

And just keep pivoting until you can get kyurem here and blast off strong attacks

[raw laurel]

thanks

[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/90b54a7416a5810c

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[atomic mango]

https://pokepast.es/613351176ad9a00c

any recommendations

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/997663448c5041f8
Repost after lots more testing and lack of reviews, made edits compared to last time too such as Gking and Zap core over Pech Spdef Tres, along with a Treads set that tanks Gholdengo easier, considering just going faster than Kyurem

[queen saddle]

ice Lu?

[atomic mango]

for kyurem

[queen saddle]

You’d much rather prefer ghost

Really

for the hazard stack secondary blocker

[atomic mango]

i could go back to steel

[queen saddle]

And Pech should be tghost shadow ball

[atomic mango]

pech is good enough as a blocker

true

[queen saddle]

I mean steel isn’t great too

Fighting weakness is the problem

Just go poison if you want that fairy resist but imo I’d always go ghost here

And use a Dragapult over that Lati

Specs Pult is a lot more consistent imo

[atomic mango]

probably but i like it as a levitator

ill try it

[queen saddle]

I dont like Oger here really
Imo I’d replace it w a bird pivot

Can’t you do

A skarm pech lu core

and use 4 a tusk

Therefore you can run double ghost in Pech Pult with two ghost and 3 dark resists in Tusk Lu Gambit

And then you have a lot of hazards up p easily

[nocturne sable]

This looks fine

Maybe vacuum wave>psyshock on specs Val for me personally as the priority is nice

Probably want Twave on one of glowking/Zapdos here as well to help with speed control

https://pokepast.es/1e258c097b87051d

[ivory crater]

im usually a bad builder but this screens has been working out really well for my friend whom i built it for

https://pokepast.es/d7b1f543a81fe3ce

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[ivory crater]

is it because hes low-ish ladder, did i unintentionally rebuild a screens i've seen before, or did i cook

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/49fda7ae15e47e60 preferably keeping the goat ceruledge?

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[queen saddle]

I don’t have the time to rate rn but like

Ceru your only fairy resist bro

💔✌️

[tawdry locust]

Ceru got that

Holy shit I made an entire team weak to moon blast

[queen saddle]

me when I fight calm mind booster speed Val

[nocturne sable]

Hamu should be sash on these type of teams.

Rather Zapdos>>raging bolt ngl.

You also want a more solid fairy resist. Glimmora isn’t a bad option here over zama since it does offer fairy resist+hazards which is nice for ceru

https://pokepast.es/e8f62c66f398f43f something like this

[nocturne sable]

Comp looks fine, sets are kinda off

Zama on screens wants lefties or Chesto berry if running rest

Tera electric zama is good for Zapdos

[gray karma]

https://pokepast.es/7aa8e0c5c8c2c5c0

idk if it's great tho but I rly feel I'm cursed in this game 😭

[worn lark]

Second most common zama tera type

[swift forum]

i really don't know what ghold is doing here because you only have spikes, not even rocks, and no knock. also this team struggles a lot with birds since your only real way of pressuring them is dragapult which dies pretty fast. probably replace it with offensive zapdos for some special pressure, and also make the tusk head smash to help with birds. also you probably don't need sacred sword on samu since you already have tusk, i would replace it with knock.

[ivory crater]

almost every joint on this team gets smoked by moonblast

your only resist is ghold and that’s an odd choice as mentioned above

[swift forum]

now that i look at it there is no fairy resist if you put zapdos. probably replace something else with a ceruledge. maybe samurott, or maybe dragapult if zapdos is already there

[ivory crater]

now somebody more experienced tell me if i’m crazy
but lowkey av glowking might go nuts on this setup

give it some spatk investment

psyshock flame ice beam sludge

and gives you a switch in to every fairy mon

replace ghold with that and you might be set

[final relic]

need rocks

fairy blast iron head is definitely bad use jolly low kick iron head which almost always wins vs opposing gambit unless you really misplay

try like an av samu over scarfed here

tusk can be a lando here this team is really ho leaning to begin with and you dont need removal that urgently + gives rocks and a zama check since some idef variants just win instantly vs this

ghold should be plot here, stall mu is kinda poor so make it metal coat

not a fan of the pult here

probably want iron moth

fiery dance sludge wave tspikes whirlwind can work

[gray karma]

Okay tyty y'all

[gray karma]

Head smash over which move ?

[final relic]

bulk up tusk can run head smash/stone edge over ice spinner

generally with this set you want taunt over rapid spin

[gray karma]

Oh ic

Will give a try

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/8477e4057ad76032

[regal ginkgo]

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[cedar jay]

weird ass team i made
but i like it for some reasons

[final relic]

screens seems random here

[cedar jay]

i like using screens deoxys speed

always find it realiable

[final relic]

screens is only really good used with full HO

so like these for example

id say here you probably drop the deoxys cause theres a decent core here in gambit / lando / ogerpon

hoopa as well just isnt good at all

[cedar jay]

ah alright

https://pokepast.es/88ed672fb345a423

is this better

[final relic]

max speed volcanion probably

or hit something like 220

probably want defensive ghold and then go like specs darkrai

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/c1aaee59b63e9132

i also made a second one without hoopa

https://pokepast.es/8eed2088aa471ac4

which one is better

[final relic]

#2 for sure

[cedar jay]

alright ill use the second one

[quartz stream]

this team has no speed control (fast mon) and no prio except kingambit which can be outplayed

and defensively it super tenuous too

HO matchup will basically be unplayable since you have no reliable tools (volc can easily get chipped, lando can't intimidate forever, and gambit can always be outplayed)

[quartz stream]

the hoopa team is also sus too though so ngl the 2nd is still better

[winged topaz]

https://pokepast.es/260f4056dd749ea7
classic hazardstack. the main core are the first three: gholdengo, garchomp and hamurott. i dont think they can break stall but they're pretty powerful nonetheless. any feedback?

[inner terrace]

the moves on samu arent great imo

you have 3 dark moves 1 setup

you really should be running a water move

washtom is a slot thats not needed imo

could make washtom a grasspon and have grasspon be your knocker

[winged topaz]

yeah i get it, but im not sure which move to replace

sucker punch for priority or knock off to remove hdb?

most hazard stack teams run multiple knockers so im inclined to drop sucker punch but im not sure

[inner terrace]

replace knock

you want prio

otherwise you should be running a set other than sd

[quartz stream]

why do people hate adding revengekillers so much

the fastest mon on your team is 295 speed Hamurott which is also your only priority

1 ceruledge teras to fighting and literally your entire team is instantly wiped off of the screen

[quartz stream]

whoa I didn't even realize this was meant to be a hazard stack

where are your heavy duty boots

your only removal is a corviknight that also clears your own hazards

the opponent clicks stealth rock, and your entire team bar glowking is taking the damage every single time they come in, and you can't ever remove it

[quartz stream]

if u want to use air balloon ghold and glasses hamu, you probably want a more offensive team, grasspon over rotom is a good suggestion, and maybe try something with iron treads + skarm over garchomp and corv? and then maybe get rid of hamu since you have knock off and spikes elsewhere?

oops wrong reply but whatever

[winged topaz]

yeah in retrospect Defog as my only removal with very few hdb was a bad call

this team was meant to be a bulky hazard stack team so it’s y I run rotom and garchomp, though a pivot to offensive hazard stack seems best with my dengo and now a grasspon

[quartz stream]

yea balloon on ghold feels misplaced here ngl

it gets hit once over a long game and now it loses to tusk and were back to square 1

[winged topaz]

my idea was that it makes it easier for a one-time switch into tusk

especially since it spin blocks them

[quartz stream]

yes it's a good set, but that's the type of thing you see on an offense team that has a shorter game

on your team, tusk can come in on like a chipped garchomp and threaten ice spinner, and ghold can't come in on that without losing balloon

with offensive teams that the game will be over by the time the balloon being gone matters

[winged topaz]

i mean rotom resists ice so it can go for the switch too

and can hydro it

but i do understand your point since we swapped it for grasspon now

[quartz stream]

yea but that defeats the purpose of blocking spin

if the tusk instead spins it can just leave after rotom comes in and now your hazards are gone

[quartz stream]

yea the glasses hamu also feels more like an offense guy

so maybe that's for the best

[winged topaz]

ok ill rebuild this real quick with the feedback

thx :)

[quartz stream]

yea np

[winged topaz]

real quick, i just realized you said we could drop hamu on a hazardstack team so i had to ask y

[quartz stream]

it was just a thought, hamu is really good but ofc not every team want exactly hamu

[winged topaz]

a ok ok

[quartz stream]

for ex if you were going super bulky, you could try like spikes on skarm or smth

skarm replacing corvi or smth

[winged topaz]

ok here's the fixed-up version

https://pokepast.es/9bafe809f1bfe3a6

[regal ginkgo]

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[winged topaz]

it pinged like i didnt get help 10 minutes ago haha

[knotty sundial]

it pings after a pokepaste is posted unless it pinged in the last 6 hours already

[winged topaz]

im also debating a speedier option over garchomp but i find myself leading garchomp to try and get as many hazards up as i can anyway so i kept it 4 now

[winged topaz]

ahh ok makes sense

[quartz stream]

have you tested this? anything you lose to?

speed is still an issue so I still fear for the offense/HO matchup of this team

[limber spear]

doubles ou goes to doubles rate

[warm lance]

o oops sorry didnt see that!

[oblique remnant]

https://pokepast.es/8ff09561d94f6c13

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frosty plinth]

How does this deal with gliscor

Everything is super giga walled by it

Besides like +2 Pon or +2 ghold which isn't the best option since u gotta eat a knock or tox on those guys before you setup

[winged topaz]

yeah that’s a tough match up I realize

do you think this team would prefer switching a mon out for gliscor or just get ice coverage somewhere?

[winged topaz]

nah not yet, was p late but will test today to see bad matchups

[frosty plinth]

I think you can afford I spinner treads maybe ice beam glowking

Fairy ghold def helps too
Which you already have
But this gives you other options because you're basically forced to tera vs gliscor otherwise

[winged topaz]

yeah those are reasonable

i think ill do i-spinner treads, just cuz its more reliable and has to come in more anyway

[frosty plinth]

Also I'm not sure why you're U-Turn sd on Pon
I think encore is definitely more valuable on it, or a coverage like low kick or rock tomb

But if that's been working then you could keep it. I haven't used much of sd Tealpon

[frosty plinth]

Yea

Good idea

[winged topaz]

i just like pivots, ive been thinking about changing it though bc if it wants to be a sweeper it’d need more coverage or a useful status like how dengo has recover

[frosty plinth]

Yea probably go encore

Tealpon with encore is amazing

[winged topaz]

yeah especially since it’s hella fast with it

iirc it reaches 350 spd?

I’ll def do encore tealpon and ispinner treads

anything else that’s notable?

[frosty plinth]

Yea, but the tera makes it faster so

Even better

Also ngl, I don't really see having both hamu and chomp for spiking here

[winged topaz]

with the old team i had, i just lead Garchomp till it died then used hamu to reset spikes if they decided to remove early

[winged topaz]

here it is for context ^

I didn’t know what I needed as my sixth after adding grasspon and treads so I readded it 🙃

[frosty plinth]

I think it works ig
Just something to note

Final suggestion is AV on treads. You have no status moves on it so it can help vs bolt a bit more ig

[winged topaz]

yea that’s fair enuf I’ll do that too

just sucks that I can’t get recovery on it tho. it’s our removal so I’d need leftovers more than av on the long run no?

[frosty plinth]

Yea
Makes sense ig
Or boots

It'll probably be down to preference

[wintry crow]

https://pokepast.es/3a1bfc9c72af457b

[knotty sundial]

!shareteam

[regal ginkgo]

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[knotty sundial]

oh also

this channel is for singles

[ashen parrot]

Woops

[knotty sundial]

use the Smogon Doubles Rates for doubles team

and use the link from shareteam

[ashen parrot]

mb I'll go find

[knotty sundial]

nw

[ashen parrot]

If I swapped out sinistcha how well would this perform in singles?

[knotty sundial]

incin isn't really good in singles ou

and follow me on ogerpon has no effect in singles either

[ashen parrot]

oh yeah well I'd change that fs, but overlooking that, what mons would I swap/how good are sand teams nowadays anyways?

[knotty sundial]

you can make sand work for sure, one of the sample teams is a sand team

and one of our raters recently posted an rmt of a sand team lol

but there are some things like for example, you rlly want a ghost for spinblocking

[wintry crow]

Is my sun team alright?

[knotty sundial]

and the specific meta threats you're aiming to beat can be very different for singles vs doubles

[knotty sundial]

I'd consider flamethrower on wake over weather ball to be a bit less reliant on sun

[wintry crow]

I'll change it rq

[knotty sundial]

other than that I think my only comment would be that I think av is a bit weird on tusk? not sure tho

[wintry crow]

Maybe, I was experimenting with it to make up for Tusk's terrible spdef.

Now it tanks hits on both sides and can use that to reliably clear hazards by beating balloon gholdengo and other threats 1 on 1.

[static dagger]

i havent played in a long time but i wanted to use some of my favorite pokemon, can anyone help me out with this team? https://pokepast.es/3fe377f6b1435d96 i dont know what kinda archetype this is

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender fern]

https://pokepast.es/c838a3767dd78f06

I made a bulky offense team. With a rilaboom heatran breaking core

I'm thinking about changing the dragonite set

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/455cf1a7e9067ca9 does this suck?

[jade cedar]

I feel like having both spikes and rocks with your only removal being defog can be annoying at times

[nocturne sable]

You honestly don’t need tusk here. This team has a clef you can literally just go Bootspams on structures like these.

https://pokepast.es/ccd0aa58afa22d39

Can even greed and go CB/LO/expert belt zama

[elder knoll]

Put the Ting-Lu in the bag 😔

[nocturne sable]

Eeeeh, this 6 should be fine it’s a very basic bootspam comp.

[jade cedar]

can I slap a flip turn on samu?

also the team still feels slow

[nocturne sable]

Like as in what

You have zama+Twave support

[jade cedar]

it doesn't feel like it has immedite spe, zama as THE ONLY really fast mon with no priority around feels a bit lacking

[nocturne sable]

You’re mixing playstyles here. Rillaboom and Heatran like more offensive playstyles but you’re also using corviknight+ting Lu which is commonly used on more fatty balances, and your team generally becomes too slow and loses to basically, anything real attacker with speed tbh. Also Eq+gterrain is also anti synergy.

Honestly you can try and do something with Heatran+dnite+rillaboom.

https://pokepast.es/b2afa32867fe4f70 this is what I came up with. Set up spammy team. Some of the sets here are kinda Match up fishy but it’s worth trying out.

And you can abuse Tera blast for as long as it’s not banned

[elder knoll]

It’s v weak to Woger and Band Pult

[nocturne sable]

Yea I was thinking about pult when he brought up the fact about no immediate speed outside of zama.

Although I disagree with the team being “very” weak to woger, team has ways to not lead bad into woger. Defensive Twave Ghold can easily 1v1, glowking takes a hit, zama outspeed and kills, etc.

I’ at this point you would just compress Lando+SAMU to ting Lu & dtail dnite, but I’m pretty sure that’s a sample already

[elder knoll]

If it Woger doesn’t lead then what?

The best cudgel switch in is Zamazenta which lacks recovery

[oblique remnant]

should I change a tera on gking or dengo

[tender fern]

@nocturne sable thanks lemme try it out

[elder knoll]

Tera water ivy cudgel 2HKOs everything on this team even without sd

And you have no resist Teras either

[nocturne sable]

But the thing is most of the team can 1v1 woger here so you won’t be switching around often, and the ones that can’t(without Tera) will usually just pivot out like Lando for example

And there’s Tera water glowking

[elder knoll]

The only things that 1v1 without tera are Zama and Ghold

[nocturne sable]

Glowking too if it’s non knock off, which is that case woger can be annoying, but the team isn’t super destroyed by it. And if you really care that much you can go like Tera water Lando and sucker punch Hamu.

Idk this argument feels kinda pointless

Best not push it further than it should be

[quartz stream]

this feels like a standard offense team, and ngl this is a pretty good team for someone who hasn't played in a while

im assiming the favorites you're using are sandy shocks, TTar, and greninja?

you should probably go shuriken over uturn on your life orb bond greninja

so if using ttar, you should try to put in an excadrill

[nocturne sable]

Team feels kinda odd to me, double rocks with sandy+lando double ground? Maushold gren Ttar feels like a random core too

[quartz stream]

you have no answer to a ton of common threats, and a drill in sand can at least give you a chance

triple rocks

ttar shocks lando all have rocks

[nocturne sable]

Oh no

This team is no bueno

[quartz stream]

I noticed a lot of these mons are using the sample sets, which is a good start, but you do have to deviate from the samples sometimes

having 3 setters of stealth rocks is way overkill

[static dagger]

i forgot to change it but i put spikes on shocks if that helps out

[quartz stream]

yeah it does help a bit, I think perhaps lando could be an excadrill to take advantage of your 8 turns of sand from ttar

if you want to use favorites, you do have to accept that some threats will just pack you up, but excadrill gives you a shot to outplay them with its super high speed

ngl actually maybe you should just move this to monotype

[static dagger]

okay ill change that, i do notice though i have a weakness to fighting and i dont know if gholdengos enough?

[quartz stream]

sandy shocks, landorus, excadrill, hippowdown

that's already 4 mons for mono grounds

[quartz stream]

yea you hard lose to zamazenta as one of the threats I mentioned

[static dagger]

what should i do to change that?

or js let it be

[quartz stream]

the main change I think would be maushold, maybe you can try switching maushold to hatterene which can bounce back hazards if you switch it on on them

you need to predict which is difficult, but it helps you against non-heavy slam zama (and heavy slam zama probably loses to gholdengo)

[static dagger]

would dazzling gleam be better than recover for gholdengo

[quartz stream]

both work, pick whichever you find yourself wanting more

gleam lets you kill like great tusk and zama more easily

[static dagger]

okay

[quartz stream]

remember to preserve your greninja for water shuriken priority and excadrill for speed though

since without them, your team gets taken apart by like close combat ceru, ogerpon wellspring, kyurem, and more

[static dagger]

and i should swap ttar to hippowdon?

[quartz stream]

that's only if you want to make a ground type team for the monotype format

ttar is much better than hippowdown for this team

[static dagger]

okay ill just keep ttar then

[quartz stream]

what are you finding yourself losing to?
this team feels solid/well thought enough that any major changes will need to replace several mons

[oblique remnant]

https://pokepast.es/8ff09561d94f6c13
what can I improve?

[quartz stream]

well same question for you, have you tested this? If so what are you losing to

[oblique remnant]

Just played a few games

[quartz stream]

at first glance not having anything faster than pult seems sketch

[oblique remnant]

I noticed

gtusk headlong rush

I didn’t have many switches for

so i put balloon on dengo

and some other stuff but I don’t really remember

[quartz stream]

what did ghold have before? scarf?

oh lefties probably

[oblique remnant]

Yes

[oblique remnant]

Ye it had scarf

[quartz stream]

that explains why you don't have anything faster than pult anymore lul

[oblique remnant]

Yeah I made the scarf to balloon change recently

[quartz stream]

offense in general seems rough for this team

[oblique remnant]

I don’t wanna switch in ogerpon since its not really a tank and zama i don’t wanna waste the def boost and it still takes a lot

[quartz stream]

like a booster SD ival shows up

[oblique remnant]

ye

[quartz stream]

zama can roar it out or glowking can take a hit, but then the next guy beats you probs

[oblique remnant]

I gotta tera outa ival booster speed sometimes

[quartz stream]

yeah this team needs a priority mon, the question is what to get rid of

it might just be ghold here

[oblique remnant]

Hm

Dnite or gambit?

[quartz stream]

maybe try ghold for cb rilla for the ground weakness

[oblique remnant]

Cv?

[quartz stream]

typo meant band my b

could try scarf darkrai with trick also

[oblique remnant]

Don’t I already have oger and raj tho

tusk has ice spinner too

[quartz stream]

offensive tusk does like 60% with ice spinner and then get oneshot by wood hammer

and if it's below 80% you oneshot it with glide

[oblique remnant]

O

[quartz stream]

it's not the best solution but it might help with val

[oblique remnant]

val is kinda problematic ye

I gotta tera fire zama sometimes tera poison rai

[quartz stream]

this zama is doing a lotta work here to be sure

[oblique remnant]

Yes

[quartz stream]

dnite? zama, ceru? zama, kyurem? probably also zama

we are gaming

yeah so try swapping ghold for rillaboom and maybe scarf on darkrai

[oblique remnant]

I like specs rai tho

I can ohko tusk

[quartz stream]

that might open up some sort of glaring weakness that I missed which is why testing is important

[oblique remnant]

ogerpon

quite a lotta stuff I can’t with scarf

[quartz stream]

ok quaqrash probably has a better solution

[oblique remnant]

Isn’t rillaboom kinda not good pair with treads

Its eq gets cut in half

[quartz stream]

oops right

[nocturne sable]

Okay I tried playing around in the builder, this is the comp I came up with.

https://pokepast.es/d54e7515c2183fee

Ngl had to throw out gren Maushold Lando they were kinda useless here. I decided to make sandy shocks sub 3 attacks since you’re aiming to abuse ice blast sandy. Maybe Ttar with max speed for kingambit mu. Mandibuzz will help with resisting dark+ground and will form a decent defense core with Toxapex. Cornerstone is just a strong Mon that is slappable on sand structures like these. Kept gholdengo because it’s also a good Mon+provides fighting immune for zama.

[quartz stream]

heyw ait I just noticed you have no hazards at all

why do you even have a ghold with no hazards?

[oblique remnant]

Yeah idk what to slot out for hazards

[quartz stream]

you have an iron treads bruh

[oblique remnant]

I don’t wanna remove spin

[quartz stream]

it's not beating dnite anyways so drop ice spinner

[oblique remnant]

Are hazards necessary for this team?

[quartz stream]

yeah, otherwise people can just pivot on you, and you can't really match them since your team is largely taking hazards damage