SV OU Rates

[young gust]

ty for ur help

all of u

[knotty sundial]

you can probably also like wisp dozo on the switch and then force it out/KO it once it rests

[young gust]

wait do i use libero on cinda

or keep baze

[knotty sundial]

bulky ace likes blaze

[young gust]

alr

[knotty sundial]

cause burn immunity + you can actually activate it instead of dying on the spot unlike not-bulky ace

[young gust]

yea

[jovial eagle]

your reqs suck

[slow swift]

🤓

[knotty sundial]

...

[young gust]

[knotty sundial]

did ember's alts come out of hiding or what

[young gust]

lol real

[jovial eagle]

ember is my alt

[frosty plinth]

no

[jovial eagle]

i own him

[slow swift]

*our

[young gust]

[frosty plinth]

PON!!

Omg

Beautiful

[young gust]

hearthflame pon the most tuff

trust

[frosty plinth]

Cornerpon

All pons idc. Very beautiful creatures

[knotty sundial]

ok umm we should probably take this out of this channel (if we are taking it anywhere which I would also question that idea)

[frosty plinth]

read his username smh

[nocturne sable]

I mean considering it’s not hazard stack and his team generally isn’t rock weak, solo ace removal here isn’t the end of the world.

And most of the time hazards will probably be spinned off by a great tusk or treads on the other team so cinderace won’t be court changing rocks on its own field.

[frosty plinth]

Ok but jokes aside sir

Oh

[alpine hornet]

yeah true

[frosty plinth]

Answe

R

[alpine hornet]

‼️

[frosty plinth]

Fair

It gets in the way sometimes, most of my ace teams (like half) are rockless

[young gust]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-pokemon-nod-gif-6252740989071573509

[frosty plinth]

Because it's removal spam sorta of styles like ace + hatt + band Weavile of the sort

[frosty plinth]

A wonderful creature

[young gust]

the loyal three are really the bum three

cuz they spread pon hate

[frosty plinth]

Yea

Exactly

No Pon haters are allowed to exist

[young gust]

rs

[nocturne sable]

General rule of thumb is if hazards are worse for you than it is for the opponent, you don’t try and set them immediately.

[young gust]

oh

[nocturne sable]

Btw let’s not go completely off topic in this channel

[young gust]

alr mb

[frosty plinth]

Mhm

[scarlet geyser]

@jovial eagle @slow swift maybe dont come in and start random shit

@frosty plinth dont rate in tiers you are not familiar with

[frosty plinth]

??

I am familiar with SV ou

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/d2c0ddfddc9ac7c1

[frosty plinth]

I've been in a few tours and I'm around the 1800-1900 ladder range mostly

[sterile jay]

how is it looking

[frosty plinth]

You can't possibly call me incompetent for claiming ogerpon doesn't derail a team with a full physdef corv + pech

Sorry if that came out as aggro btw

I noticed this

Kind of did

So mb 😭

Also maybe I shouldn't talk here Abt this

[scarlet geyser]

mhm

[frosty plinth]

if you could maybe go to another chat and explain what I did wrong though, because I do not see anything off with what I said or did

[sterile jay]

thats funny

https://pokepast.es/f5e3fc3de04a3d4b

i used that exact combination to get to top 500 last time lol

[frosty plinth]

Pretty solid, I don't really see lorb Pon tho tbh

[sterile jay]

i was using choice band before

this is a version w some tweaks

but the choice band does feel better

tho being able to switch moves and still get most koes is pretty nice

[frosty plinth]

I do love AV Zama. It trades well into enam and val

[sterile jay]

truee lmao

[frosty plinth]

I feel you'd want boots

[sterile jay]

however i am playing something different now

more standard

[frosty plinth]

Corv is decent removal but against ghold teams it's very iffy

[sterile jay]

ting lu doesnt fit very well

[sterile jay]

also that y eah

[sterile jay]

i am playing this rn and it feels more consistent

[frosty plinth]

Uturn / knock / cudgel / rock tomb or superpower (don't really get why you'd run stomping tantrum)

[frosty plinth]

Well
No
You'd want encore

On last slot

[frosty plinth]

Yea this looks rly solid

Se Dnite is tuff

One small thing is maybe go ghost on pech but if dark has been working better than I can't judge

[frosty plinth]

Dark is mostly used w/foulplay

[sterile jay]

it hits both heatran and iron moth on the switch in

[sterile jay]

i forgot it learns encore ngl lol

[sterile jay]

it has been working but its the set i am the more iffy on

i will probs go ghost ngl

[frosty plinth]

Fair
I think encore on non band sets is a must have though, it's one of the major reasons Tealpon is good

[sterile jay]

yeeh your right ngl

i may go back to it in the future will keep in mind tyy

[frosty plinth]

Ofc orc

"orc" lmao 😭

[sterile jay]

[frosty plinth]

[inner terrace]

no

most ace builds will have rocks

there are some hazardless ace builds but they're exceptions honestly

it of course depends on the build, on lando builds you might see mons more susceptible to hazards but you generally have the lando just uturn into kyurem and get rocks up when it's safe cause theres no real reason to run anything else on lando unless u want av

on tinka builds you'd prolly want some mons that arent completely weak to rocks like maybe rock resists like tusk or something with mons like pon ursa rai etc but having court for spikes is an option

you can also run no court ace and just have it be the pivoter into breakers like kyurem, there was a 2024 subtect kyu team made by bea that did this and it was spammed a lot

[final relic]

yeah

generally ace as sole “removal” is to be avoided

but if you absolutely must

it can work like that

[inner terrace]

yeah i think ace sole removal is fine if you have lando/faster paced offense build

otherwise run backups

there was one xav team that had spikes ting no rocks with ace so you could just stack spikes and then court change off the rocks to abuse bandnite

outdated now though

[final relic]

lotta the time youll land on at minimum like

corv or a spinner in the back

just naturally when trying to build

[inner terrace]

yeah thats true i dont think your team ever gets worse by adding/swapping a mon to tusk

[worn socket]

https://pokepast.es/1547cc8ece9ac860

bit unconventional hazard offense i cooked up

tusk set can trade into landorus, ghold, pecharunt etc. i dont like skarm but i felt i needed a backup for kingambit

[quartz stream]

0 fire resists and 3 fire weaknesses?

ig the idea is tera fire metagross?

[worn socket]

not ideal, iron moth will be an issue but with rocks, scarf rai and tera fire av meta i think its passable

pecharunt can trade with ceruledge

[fringe herald]

https://pokepast.es/a0e9b57e20e592de Tried to make a team around torterra, I'm not too sure what to put in the last team slots

[dreamy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/7875d2cc09eca480 made this team, kinda weak against bolt, how do i fix it?

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/033b65e837935483 facing consistency issues

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

1, Torterra is unviable in the OU tier
2, we only rate complete
teams
The other 2 guys are bad too

Try out a sample team is my recommendation to get more used to the meta

If you wanna use Torterra, try out RU
Heard he rose and might be good

[queen saddle]

Iron Moth and weather kinda fry this team

You’re struggling heavily in speed control, and rely on Darkrai and hope there’s no specs Pult and switch ins to Oger (which struggles breaking thru Corvi and Molt, with Molt praying you need a knock), along with a healthy Pecharunt not in range of knock, along with other spdef pivots to Rai

You also hate hazards because your hazard removal isn’t boots

and your team is barely carrying any boots

You probably want Woger over Oger, boots on Tusk, with it being max max EVs
You could replace Metagross for something like Lu for the defensive core

https://pokepast.es/dc67505de5a3d79e
You could try out this, maybe changing Woger to knock off over play rough, or Tusk cc with knock
It feels weak to Kyurem but with tera ghost on Lu, matchup is playable

You could run tera water for Wake’s hydro but you then struggle with Kyurem’s freeze dry

[queen saddle]

168 atk on specs Kyurem?

Dont rlly know how to help here if I’m being honest, feels like a team I’d build, maybe a specs Val over Kyurem
Which could slightly help as it causes mind games with Tusk + Val, which both threaten tera or an OHKO

And still carries heavy damage with moonblast and lots of pressure

[queen saddle]

Feels pretty standard for an HO veil team
HO is inconsistent at times though, no?

Feels like that’s an issue you’ll face, maybe consider head smash/edge over ice spinner on tusk to ruin Molt and Zap?

That way your other sweepers have a more fun time to sweep

Psyshock Gholdengo is also great against stall if it’s that

you could play around with your sets really

[frosty plinth]

scarf lando + ace is smth I've seen and used a bit

[frosty plinth]

Yuh
Same with corv, you want them as backup or secondary options

[queen saddle]

Scarf Lando a G

[frosty plinth]

Fr fr

[scarlet nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/ce4c9a08497a0d42

i dont know how to fit a better fairy resist on this team other than pech

or slot in a steel type somewhere in this team

maybe AV alo is good enough as a fake resist

[nocturne sable]

Ngl teams kinda awkward you have no steel to block mortal spin no knocker just a lot of weird role compressions and sets.

I came up with 2 versions.

https://pokepast.es/6746def216c1750c the first version kinda changes the entire team. Gambit for a dark resist+priority and gambit stuff. Great tusk as the knock user here+hazard control. Scarf enam as speed control with healing wish support for guys like Ghold or gambit. Speaking about Ghold nasty plot 3 attacks is fine Tera water will allow you to 1v1 heatran & Hamurott and hit it back with focus blast.

https://pokepast.es/c57059ecc040f4d7 second version I like a bit more imo.

You keep the same core of tankchomp+AV+pecha, only small difference is I made pecha more defensive to help with woger.

I replaced zama with weavile here as weavile gives you a strong knock off user and priority in Ice shard, Tera ghost is to snipe espeed dnite and corv body press.

Latios here>>hatterene gives you more power and acts as a stall break with psynoise Tera steel. Covert cloak is for garg as it’s broken asf.

And then choice scarf Ghold for speed control

[lucid onyx]

And thts focus blast so ur never hitting

Can someone give me some cool offensive breaking cores I can try?

[knotty sundial]

#comp-general for that

[lucid onyx]

Owh, mb

[scarlet nacelle]

the ghold on the second team is focus punch by accident

but thanks i will try out the second one

[empty sand]

https://pokepast.es/9945cd63758f9a0c

i just started playing so idk if this is good or not

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Oh I didn’t see that lol

That’s funny

[scarlet nacelle]

its also defiant gambit as well

[nocturne sable]

I was definitely not paying attention in builder lol

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/818c5ae76d2b97d6

https://pokepast.es/a68a43522c88d0d9

k here are the fixed versions

[knotty sundial]

it's a doubles team, right?
right?

...right?

[nocturne sable]

I mean defiant gambit can be used on self web teams in singles lol

[knotty sundial]

true lol

[nocturne sable]

Btw I’m just seeing this, this isn’t really true.

Torterra is definitely usable in OU, just like most shell smash abusers. With loaded dice bullet seed rock blast Tera blast it can be a competent sweeper.

[nocturne sable]

But yea this is not the right way to go around it, i recommend studying samples and smogon strategies to see what synergies with torterra and come back with a completed team.

[queen saddle]

I stand corrected, time to build Torterra webs.

[scarlet nacelle]

the first team has no water resist

is that fine?

[nocturne sable]

Tera water Ghold should help navigate that. Chomp can temporarily check woger

[craggy pier]

https://pokepast.es/e9f1f9d9c88429fd

I'm pretty happy with this team, but I'm personally having some struggle against HO- especially with Deoxys-S leads. It might be a skill issue to be fair. Replacements or advice against specifics MUs are appreciated.

I posted a similar team earlier, this is just the version I ended up with- if it looks familiar.

[nocturne sable]

I swear I seen this exact team comp like 3 million times

[craggy pier]

Yea I originally had different mons but I guess all paths lead to rome

[nocturne sable]

Not the biggest fan of these comps but like, it’s fine

You have ace deo leads should be doable

[craggy pier]

Oh my god
I forgot court change

Swapped screens

[craggy pier]

Not a fan of playing or going against? I'm hoping it's the latter

[nocturne sable]

They’re my least favourite comps to play with, but like they do fine usually

[craggy pier]

Is it because of the Ace hazard removal?

[nocturne sable]

Something like that and the teams are generally super slow

I think I like Lando here over Gliscor ngl

Gliscor is kinda to slow and it’s not ideal into woger

[craggy pier]

Scarf or helmet?

[lavish juniper]

Old screenshot but i replaced lash out with foul play on HoopaU

[knotty sundial]

!shareteam

[regal ginkgo]

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[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/266e980d28fe26f0 absolutely sucks

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Thinking scarf mostly

[undone minnow]

https://pokepast.es/c3656efc72ddafcf
I made like the best team ever, if you say its bad you just don't get it

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Chilly reception+ Sun is anti synergy

You can replace slowking with an eject button cresselia or something.

Ngl weavile gallade mence kinda suck here. The least shit one is mence but at that point I would just have wake

https://pokepast.es/d73680fd99d2c51e would make the team something like this

[undone minnow]

yk what you're right, slowking is old news I'M GOING GALARIAN SLOWKING

[knotty sundial]

that still uses chilly reception I'm afraid (unless you meant av)

[undone minnow]

nah its completely different trust

alr alr I'll change it to clodsire

[quartz stream]

gallade should be running sunny day with heat rock

cuz gallade is the sun mon

[undone minnow]

what if I drug my pokemon

[quartz stream]

this is the real set

expert belt feels super 2012

this is 2026 you gotta use sun setter gallade

[quartz stream]

use AV with chilly reception so you can't use chilly to get rid of your sun

someone cooked here

[quartz stream]

anyways if you want to build for your favorites, you should just make several teams

or at least move to UU

since your team doesn't have a single OU pokemon

[queen saddle]

team is pretty unviable, I recommend getting a feel for the tier before making teams yourself

[queen saddle]

WHAT are we talkin abt G

[queen saddle]

Why Pex over Pech?

You dont need big dog and Pult on the same team

[lavish juniper]

Oh

[queen saddle]

Can you just run Tusk?

[lavish juniper]

Would it be good in other tiers if i change some mons

[queen saddle]

problem abt it is that it has the wrong mons and sets on the team

like Incin is not

generally used in OU but has a niche in it

defensive sets wall gambit and ghold without fighting move

but also you just dont want

defensive stuff on webs

Hoopa U set is just super weird

gets walled very easily

Like Weezing G walls this

Ribombee doesnt need psychic over skill swap

Pecharunt is just mid on these teams too

esp w this set

I think you get the drift

[lavish juniper]

Yeah

Alr

[queen saddle]

Could be usable with np I guess now that I think abt it but ghold is just better half the time

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wintry crow]

How could improve this team?

https://pokepast.es/5599bd123844a4b8

[queen saddle]

Seems like balance but it’s missing some stuff

For example you don’t have a single rocks user

and Corvi is a lack luster hazard removal by itself

You also forgot to do your tera types

Dont really like Lati

at the bare minimum I dont like the set

Trying to think of a way to keep Hoopa U since I’ve seen cores like this work with them but tbh it’s just hazards that you struggle with

[wintry crow]

Im okay with dropping most the team

Trying to keep Hoopa, Alo, and Glowking tho.

[queen saddle]

You could try Tusk over Gliscor and also make Corvi ironpress

Lati can stay but it should probably be a stored power set

but I do like Pult over Lati for the speed control

Just you lack a water resist but t water gking can help with sun and Corvi can help with Woger with t dragon

[wintry crow]

I replace u turn right?

[queen saddle]

yeah unless you’re confident in spin

[wintry crow]

Confused on what some of this means

[queen saddle]

if I say t it means tera

Gking is slowking galar

Woger is Ogerpon wellspring

[wintry crow]

Oh alr

So smth like this?
https://pokepast.es/d4859ea5dfb5536f

[queen saddle]

Tusk could be boots but yea looks fine

[wintry crow]

I alr switched it

Ty tho

[queen saddle]

you forgot rocks on tusk

[wintry crow]

Do I replace ice spinner?

[queen saddle]

Knock

Btw Alo can be tfairy

or ghost

[wintry crow]

Ill try fairy

Is there a channel where I can post replays for help?

[jade cedar]

to be fair I never thought about it, although to be fair I didn't really want to rally ONLY on ting as my special switch since it will eventally get chipped and dies and I still wanted a fairy resist, also what'sw with pult and zama?

[queen saddle]

Big Dog and Pult are used mainly for speed control

But I feel like specs Pult is good and then you need

Tusk for hazard removal

[jade cedar]

I do have corv? idk does it feel neccsery? the team is generally bulk so I don't think double hazard control is needed, also don't want to double on grounds

[queen saddle]

You’re just getting perma blocked by Gholdengo

and lu is taking hazards and a likely make it rain/fblast

and pex cant haze Ghold I believe

Also double grounds is like

a lot more common and completely fine

Just cover your weaknesses

which this team can do

[jade cedar]

idk feels like with it Kyu can aboslutely tear the team

[queen saddle]

forgot about Kyurem

I mean the prblem abt pex is that its a

massive momentum sink

to the point the threat is fblast plot Ghold

With a
balloon

[jade cedar]

what do you suggest I could switch pex with? I still preferably want a something specially tanky

and has some form of recovery

[queen saddle]

You could do scarf Ghold over Dragapult for help against Kyurem and then try out the Pech over Pex

[gray karma]

U have some usable mons but sadly the EVs are wrong

Try to search sample teams first and then u can try to see how they build their team to do urs (if they gave explanation)

[knotty sundial]

if you are asking for help/advice you can post in #comp-general

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/d3f17d0a22771512

My Kommo-Inators

[queen saddle]

I mean if it’s related to the team think they can post it however it can’t be random

[queen saddle]

Feels like you could turn this into screens offense with using Deo over the random Gliscor
Although there’s a lot of physical guys and its prone to defog
Ghold > Scizor due to nasty plot antics and defog blocking
Change Tusk to booster speed or atk with bulk up

and make Woger sd

[tawdry locust]

Not my goat gliscor

[queen saddle]

Sitrus berry Kommo-O can let you set up twice potentially

due to screens improving bulk

[queen saddle]

Thought Kommo was the goat of this team

[tawdry locust]

This is true

[queen saddle]

Also either run booster speed Tusk or booster Val over Gambit

Because you need speed control

Deo is your screens setter so it won’t do too much offensively

Maybe getting a KO to smb who doesnt know ur set

but still

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/5b459dc93b1b579e

better?

[queen saddle]

booster speed cm val lwk giga threat

[tawdry locust]

I see

[queen saddle]

Now that I think abt it Moth could be better

over Val

and with booster speed moth/val you probably want booster a tusk

consider CC to break corvi over bulk up

Set like spin cc headlong and even stone edge/head smash/ice spinner can do wonders for this team

[tawdry locust]

Yes sir!

[quartz stream]

leaning more into offense helps yea

especially since kommo can basically only come in once

throat spray is single use and clangorous takes 1/3 your hp

having 0 hazards and 0 boots mons is questionable though, since you can't live against hazards for long (u gotta burn booster speed to clear rocks)

and hazards are just always nice to have

if you really just want to lean into being HO, maybe drop the ghold entirely atp, could try a SD scizor maybe?

[tawdry locust]

I could run an offensive samuott

For spikes with Cedge?

[quartz stream]

it could work yea

imo it clashes with the screens lead deo though

[tawdry locust]

True

[queen saddle]

Hazards I can see a problem w, rocks can be on Tusk but I just leaned entirely on offense
Rocks can easily be placed on Deo though

and boots is usually holding HO back

I also did recommend sitrus berry to set up though

As you can set up twice likely due to screens

Getting +2 in everything rather than only spatk

@tawdry locust I’d recommend rocks over taunt or psycho boost, and also for @quartz stream, Gholdengo helps a lot with defogging screens away and is always great with stab shadow ball and MIR.

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/dbe1a55da9150ce8

[stone sierra]

Have you considered blimax balance?

It’s corv ting gking scarf rai specs kyurem cinderace

[quartz stream]

ohh right I forgot you can defog away screens

still don't think it rly fits on the team

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/529d1730de5b025c ok i think i got it

[queen saddle]

Why not? With an air balloon, it’s hard to get rid of and is just extremely strong

[queen saddle]

Looks fine tbh

looks consistent against most teams

Enough to break stall, but also tanky enough with screens

[tawdry locust]

thank you good sir

[queen saddle]

You’re welcome

[modern summit]

tera ice iron treads or tera ghost?

[native cove]

https://pokepast.es/7ebd37d2825c4307

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[native cove]

this was my team that i made in showdown, I plan to use it in champions but with a few tweaks of course. (some things need major fixing i know, but are there other things too..?

[limber spear]

dou goes to doubles rate btw

[native cove]

Oh sorry

I'll post it there

[empty silo]

https://pokepast.es/38b71bd192b56c12

[empty silo]

I swept with Torterra a bunch of times in OU

so, is it really that bad?

[queen saddle]

Already got corrected on this, but anyhow, building around it correctly leads to it being pretty damn strong

That’s what shell smash does to a mon

[empty silo]

I think I set up screens before

to cover the defensive loss

then it can sweep

seriously, I've seen it sweep a Dragonite with Rock Blast

[empty silo]

so yeah, how do I improve this?

[queen saddle]

Rock blast is tuff

[queen saddle]

I dont think you

need Lu and Glis on the same team

And honestly I like Gking Treads and Zap core

over this

You won’t have hazard stack but I think it’s fine

Esp since you’re OMEGA

weak to Kyurem

You also lack speed control

I like either big dog or Pult over Ceru

Nd dnite shouldn’t be as greedy as this one imo lol

I think a normal dd roost 2a works

That’s my personal advice

[empty silo]

noted, so Stealth Rock will go for one of them

[empty silo]

that'd be two Pokémon to replace

[empty silo]

forgot Kyurem was used in the metagame

[queen saddle]

Lu and Glis

[empty silo]

so I can have Tingy over Gliscor?

[queen saddle]

I think you just

[empty silo]

wait no

[queen saddle]

Replace both Glis and Lu

[empty silo]

both replaced

[queen saddle]

with Treads Gking

Yeah

[empty silo]

is Treads ground type?

[queen saddle]

Yeah

[empty silo]

and steel

I think

[queen saddle]

Steel ground

Which you lacked a steel

so treads helps a lot

[empty silo]

I assume "big dog" refers to Zamazenta?

[queen saddle]

Yeppers

[empty silo]

which is OU unlike all other Zacian/Zamazenta forms which are in Ubers

[queen saddle]

Big Dog Za 🔥

[queen saddle]

Ay at least he’s S+

[empty silo]

the amount of abbreviations used in this community is interesting

[queen saddle]

I mean with the amount of rates and the amount of times we say Pokemon

It’s needed

Like imagine typing out Ogerpon Wellspring

When you could just say Waterpon or Woger

Or Slowking Galar when Slowking G or Glowking

[empty silo]

sometimes a break from them could be a breath of fresh air, though

then you can start using them again

[empty silo]

I included Ceruledge because I felt a Fire-type would be beneficial

[empty silo]

either way, do what you want, I'm no one to be criticizing it

let me see what I can do to the team

[queen saddle]

Fair point

Tbh I was considering you putting heat wave on Zap

Like volt switch hurricane heat wave roost

defensive but also pretty threatening against good chunk of mons

[empty silo]

Hurricane missed four times in a row in one match

[queen saddle]

Rookie numbers

A gliscor that was at 34% v my Zap got back to full and all their hazards bc hurricane didn’t land

[empty silo]

isn't there any safer Flying move?

[queen saddle]

Nah

Unfortunately

[empty silo]

No Air Slash for Zapdos

which I think would be better if it existed

Acrobatics would mean abdicating from held items

Air Cutter could be used for its crit ratio, even though it is 60 base power

wdym Zapdos can't use Hidden Power?

I thought any Pokémon could use Hidden Power

the best Flying moves Zapdos learns are physical, unfortunately

[empty silo]

wait, does that move even exist in Gen 9?

maybe it doesn't

@queen saddle which spread?

Special Attack-focused, or more balanced?

[queen saddle]

Lost it

HP was removed from the game in general 8

[queen saddle]

Defensive

the one with the evs in defense and hp

[empty silo]

why is Slowking-Galar OU

but Slowbro-Galar is PU?

basically opposites

(not polar opposites, that'd be ZU and Ubers)

all right, it's done

do you want to battle with this new version?

I'll test it in the ladder

[nocturne sable]

Slowbro galar has worse defenses than galarian slowking and has significantly less utility moves than glowking(lacking Tspikes, chilly reception, etc)

Slowbro galar is more of a cheese attacker with quick draw

[empty silo]

so they aren't like their Kanto counterparts, with one being physically defensive and the other being specially defensive?

I think tera blast dnite wasn't a good idea

[nocturne sable]

Glowbro is slightly different

[empty silo]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2577312026-9xwnapssc0edxppolbpyirsggwjq4s2pw

I won this one

https://pokepast.es/b5cbf30b27ef423f

this is the team, which @queen saddle contributed to improving

[queen saddle]

Oh I meant gking should be a pivot set not av
Treads could be a little more bulky like max hp max speed but also its fine if u like max atk

Think it doesnt matter in this team

and I think roost is the right call on dnite over encore but honestly dnite is so flexible it doesnt matter

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/19af37f672711188 how much does this suck

[final relic]

looks very similar to the blimax team

u lack a good fairy resist like gking so something like cm val will get scary

banded rilla is just really bad tbh

idt that rilla works here too well

cause look at scale shot dnite which sets up on all of your mons

[queen saddle]

p sure offensive ace always runs tera fire

no reason to run tera bug half the time

[jade cedar]

wait.. oh sry it's supposed the bulky pivot set

[jade cedar]

with that I won't have a dark resist

or a ghost resist to be fair

to be fair I have an idea but is ace as the only hazard control okay?

[final relic]

not really

ace is more of secondary removal

you ideally have a tusk, treads, weezing… as numero uno

[snow vale]

https://pokepast.es/26ce276db1a0e96d i think this team needs removal but im not sure what i should replace

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Make Ghold thunder wave>dazzling gleam. You have more utility paralysing opponents here for band Ttar

Honestly zamazenta can be dropped for great tusk here

Boots tusk can be fine here

With cc headlong ice spinner rapid spin

Max attack max speed

[snow vale]

ic ic

i'll give it a go ty

[jade cedar]

isn't it fine on offensive builts?

[final relic]

it is, but like i said you want at least another one of tusk/treads/hat so that they can’t just put 3 spikes right back up after you put them on their side

[merry field]

https://pokepast.es/33e619f7d346ee39

i was experimenting with electric surge and came out with this bullcrap

idk if it is good the team clearly has so many issues so if you're able to help improve it i would appreciate it

[nocturne sable]

What on earth does pelipper do here

And you don’t need booster energy when you’re running electric terrain

[elder knoll]

I assume it’s for 100% accurate hurricanes

💀

[nocturne sable]

Okay so I tried fixing the team for you without starting from scratch.

https://pokepast.es/eb7a2564eac8892b

Hatt provides more utility than pelipper like blocking hazards with magic bounce, healing wish and pivoting with eject button.

I made iron Val a SD set with life orb since you already have Eterrain which procs quark drive ability.

Same with iron moth, just made it boots. 4 attacks here to just trade into mons. Tera ghost for espeed dnite & zama.

Iron jugulis similarly I just kept its regular set with 3 attacks taunt Tera ground. Sitrus berry is mostly a filler item but it ca. help you trade into mons more efficiently.

Also changed the raichu set a bit. Psyshock can help with clodsire Blissey etc. Tera fighting focus blast is more efficient in hitting targets like Ttar & ting Lu which otherwise you’re cooked into. Surf can be fine into Gliscor so you can keep that.

Lastly I just made pinchurchin max attack. No point in making a defensive set as it just wastes momentum. Pinchurchin has a decent 101 based attack stat Supercell spam+sucker punch can deal real damage. Memento can come in clutch when you want to pivot and chin is useless.

[elder knoll]

just put the jugulis in the bag bro

😔 🙏

[queen saddle]

dawg

he didnt even run hurricane

shits air slash

💔

[nocturne sable]

It’s fine Hurricane is 100% accuracy 100% confuse rate ❤️

[queen saddle]

I was talkin abt Zapdos doe

[elder knoll]

Why is Zapdos air slash and Jugulis hurricane

😭

You right

[queen saddle]

it’s so joever

[merry field]

i'm not familiar with any of the gen 9 mons thanks

idk i built this team in litterally 10 mins

the pellipper is just there for maybe dealing with ground types

also i wanted to experiment using a special iron valiant for the meme

[nocturne sable]

All good

[wide valve]

is there any vgc team building forums?

[nocturne sable]

If you want to get vgc rates, check #1051236342740308089 and you will see vgc somewhere

[ivory crater]

https://pokepast.es/9ba0b26e3283855a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ivory crater]

i love all the guys on this team and how they play but i find that i dont switch into enough meta threats well

[knotty sundial]

scarf wake is odd

btw you need to add 4 EVs to your 252/252 spreads

and you need tera types

[ivory crater]

scarf wake has kinda been putting in work

but if it needs to be changed so be it

what would be better for this squad

[final relic]

wake kinda

[ivory crater]

damn i just got swept by shell smash cloyster

[final relic]

ok first you need tera types, ghost/water/fairy pech, grass moltres, steel tusk

on wake you probably want boots over scarf

[ivory crater]

i forgot to mention that paste is outdated i had put some teras on there

[final relic]

oh

[ivory crater]

it was dark pech, grass moltres

[final relic]

send the new one

[ivory crater]

fairy garg

all thats different is the teras

https://pokepast.es/a648d32b71e2bdde

i couldnt decide on what to have for tusk

my wake is scarf because i thought my team was a bit slow

and the teams im facing often can wall my tera'd ogerpon without enough chip

hmm yeah this sucks

once moltres goes down i get swept

how the hell do i prepare for tera electric tera blast swords dance rillaboom

[ivory crater]

after several more games i realize i ultra lose to setup sweepers

ive been swept by a standard sash cloyster, a tera electric rillaboom, and weakness policy iron crown

i might change garganacl to ting lu in response

[elder knoll]

What’s the vision w/ the team

Garg/Molt is a strong core

[ivory crater]

centered entirely around ogerpon

love myself that tera boosted choice band cudgel

[elder knoll]

oh so Ogerpon build

I see

[ivory crater]

thats what i went for anyway

[elder knoll]

Garg/Molt/Oger/Tusk

could be an interesting core

🤔

Lemme hit the lab

Main issue I think

Is that both Garg and Oger really want to use Tera

Especially is you need Oger to revenge things and for speed controls

Garg is like a UU Mon without Tera

[ivory crater]

just played another game where i got swept by a setup mon right out the gate

i burned dragonite and it set up to +6

didnt think it would sweep

but noooooo

[elder knoll]

😔

[ivory crater]

covert cloak dragonite is a thing i guess

so no garg teraing out

[elder knoll]

yeah bulky tb

😭

[ivory crater]

there is no justice in this world

im actually about to put unaware clefable on this joint

its getting bad

just feels way too weak defensively to be a balance team

[elder knoll]

😭

I thought i was looking at BO

I’m ngl

[ivory crater]

that was sort of the aim

[elder knoll]

Usually balance Oger is on a max hazards and boots type thing

[ivory crater]

but in front of certain ou guys it doesnt feel like one

[ivory crater]

im starting to see why that is

hard to sweep without significant chip

[elder knoll]

You don’t really have much of a setup win con either

[ivory crater]

i hate this game

second counter team in a row

i know its usually cope when people say counter team

but seriously?

[elder knoll]

😭

[ivory crater]

mirror herb darkrai?

i thought once ogerpon terad i had it in the bag

this is what it looked like

[elder knoll]

How would you feel about Heatran/Oger/Weezy

As a core

I was playing around and I think they fit together nicely

Heatran covers guys like moth for Oger/Weezy

Oger/Tran form a nice breaking core where Oger whacks a couple of notable guys like Mola/Prima while Tran takes on Corv

You’d need to figure out a way to deal with the dragons then though

[ivory crater]

i considered heatran and gweez when i was building

i am open to the idea for sure

ill make a second team

[elder knoll]

alr

😔 yeah cause i think that route would be easier than salvaging then current one

[ivory crater]

there are obviously problems with my current team

but is mirror herb darkrai something i can even scout or prepare for

[elder knoll]

not a real set

mirror herb zama is real tho

[ivory crater]

or is it just hold the loss because its low ladder

[elder knoll]

😭

[ivory crater]

thats funny

[elder knoll]

uh those are the type of games u forget exist

😭

[ivory crater]

i'm never going to forget that game

if i had any less self control my monitor would be on the opposite end of the room

[elder knoll]

😭

[ivory crater]

and a solid chance that is in more than one pieces

game legitimately gets easier after you hit 1600

[elder knoll]

😭

truth nuke

[quartz lark]

Astolfo's Bayern Munich
https://pokepast.es/47d6bb2651c2a1bc

[queen saddle]

Kinda avg tr w a lando
Only advice is specs Volcanion rlly

you need specs imo for that instant pressure

bc this team is lacking it
Ursaluna kinda but needs a turn for burn unless you make a callout and switch it in on a passive play

Also Lando could be speedy for just like lead

Lead Rocks like how ppl play w Deo S on tr

You could consider diancie over Lando, p good tr mon that I’ve used and can use rocks

kinda like a Glimmora

[quartz lark]

Lando’s slow nature is for taunting before corv in tr m, then boots on volc is cause there’s no removal, and volc was added more so as a patch then an addition to the front line. I also wanted lando for a role compression for hazards, pivoting, and u-turn abusing.

I believe Ursa and Gambit with sufficient support from the tr core and lando is great.

[queen saddle]

Fair point, I won’t recommend many changes at all since it looks just fine

[empty silo]

I usually follow what’s on the Smogon website

hence why the max attack Iron Treads

as for Slowking, I do use it as a pivot

https://pokepast.es/f901b736fb3e8b83

I did try to make a new one

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/0eea49702e1d845c very weak to kingambit

[nocturne sable]

I think this is a situation where you change the sets around rather than changing the team comp itself.

Weavile, Ghold & even garg can run lure in sets for gambit. You can either run low kick weavile, focus blast Tera fighting Ghold or body press garganacl.

You can also look at running speed evs on your gweez so you can outspeed gambit & burn it with wisp

Me personally I like low kick weavile here, can easily just be 4 attacks boots

[tender fern]

I want to send a team but my university blocked pokepast. Can I share my team another way like with just the text or do I need to use pokepast

Well this is my sv ou team I feel like it can use improvement but I'm not sure where to start

[stone sierra]

!shareteam

[regal ginkgo]

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You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[queen saddle]

they js said abt their university thing

Also p sure there’s another way to share it

Forgot how tho

[stone sierra]

That’s not taking abt pokepaste tho

[nocturne sable]

Can also try psteams to send your team but it’s fine

[nocturne sable]

Comp looks pretty standard from a glance, but things can be improved.

Sd U-turn woger is kinda anti-synergy. You don’t want to be pivoting when you’re threading to sweep. Make woger play rough instead of U-turn.

You can also use something better than weavile here. Ngl banded weavile feels awkward here especially with the hazard control here.

You can make Ghold scarf and replace weavile with a set up sweeper like dnite or zamazenta.

[tender fern]

If I do make the ghoudnego scarfed and try something over weavile I'm leaning more towards a dragonite than a Zamazenta simply cause dnite makes my team better against opposing zama and since the ghouldengo is scarf now it's not as good as checking zama with crunch

I Definitely think playrough is worth a try on ogerpon. Kyurem is pretty rough

[nocturne sable]

You have moltres & Tera ghost kingambit for zama.and scarf Ghold can still be good into zama

You should be fine

[queen saddle]

Mb

[wintry crow]

How could I change this team to improve my stall matchups? I noticed my team struggles to break tera Corv, Alomomola, and Dondozo. Should I add Raging Bolt?

https://pokepast.es/87f9fa16a413d566

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Your sets are off here.

Booster taunt tusk should be BU taunt head smash headlong rush.

If you’re struggling to break waters horn leech sd woger is a good addition to have. You can honestly drop it for hoopa as Cb hoopa doesn’t really fit screens HO.

And a small change I would make is jolly gambit to at worst speed tie opposing gambits.

[knotty sundial]

I saw this team earlier, one thing I noticed was ival moonblast is the only special attack

[wintry crow]

Was trying to see if spamming one attack stat would work.

[nocturne sable]

Oh yea about dnite you can lowkey look at options like encore roost or extreme speed over thunder punch. Not sure with jolly thunder punch does that much to corv anyway unless you’re Tera electric

But I would just run one of the Afro mentioned options over thunder punch

[knotty sundial]

I wonder if full special ival with thunderbolt would help

[nocturne sable]

That can easily work. Tusk woger dnite gambit is a common example of physical threat stack to overwhelm physical defense cores

Honestly I would replace ival with nasty plot deo speed but that’s just me

[wintry crow]

Gonna put all this into calcs

[inner terrace]

id swap hoopa for something better into zama

[wintry crow]

What beats gliscor if I drop hoopa?

[inner terrace]

well it's less about being able to just hit scor really hard

taunt bu tusk does well into it

[wintry crow]

So i drop hoopa for wellspring, and val for what?

[inner terrace]

well dont drop val

and im not saying drop hoopa for waterpon tho it could be an option

[wintry crow]

Oh alr

[inner terrace]

you could even do like moth over hoopa

or kyurem

mixed dd

so no tera blast

[wintry crow]

I lowk dunno how to use kyerem

[inner terrace]

dd spear freeze dry ep

[wintry crow]

Every time I use it does nothing and js dies 😭

[inner terrace]

also on grimm i think max attack ada low kick is the best set on it

with taunt dual screens

[wintry crow]

To threaten dark?

Or js for an attacking option in general

[nocturne sable]

Oh no hoopa for Woger was my suggestion. He said he struggled with breaking waters so I brought up the idea of wellspring

[inner terrace]

oh

yeah that's fine

[inner terrace]

yes

you beat samu and can chip ting

[wintry crow]

I use taunt to prevent hazards and setup on screens. I also has bulk for more screens.

But I see what you mean.

[inner terrace]

well i mean

taunt doesn't work on ting

[wintry crow]

What would the wellspring set be?

[nocturne sable]

Sd horn leech play rough cudgel

[wintry crow]

Horn leech and cudgel?

[nocturne sable]

Horn leech and ivy cudgel yes

[mental pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/3282313f0da853f8

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @mental pagoda, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[mental pagoda]

Ahhhhh ok

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @tawdry locust, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9monotype team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059658237097545758 instead.

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/cc968ad3d49ddd6e how should i play this against stall? subtect gliscor kicks my ass

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worn lark]

yes ik its a sample team with band ttar instead of smooth rock

[nocturne sable]

I probably wouldn’t be changing a sample like that

And you can try just break Gliscor with hydrapple or sum

If it’s solo eq excadrill walls

[inner terrace]

apple is good vs stall

so is av gking

i'd argue if ur facing stall it is very unlikely they can be able to break through you

double regen

[nocturne sable]

^

[wooden raptor]

This is the team so far

[knotty sundial]

!shareteam

[regal ginkgo]

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[knotty sundial]

also, looks like an incomplete team

[wooden raptor]

I said it wasn't finished

[knotty sundial]

only post complete teams here. if you want advice on incomplete teams, post in #comp-general

[wooden raptor]

Ok thanks

For comp general do i use that thingy u posted

[knotty sundial]

yeah

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/c02c645c01702aa8 W Sand team?

[nocturne sable]

Rillaboom here is ruining this comp as it’s nerfing excadrills eq, you also have overlapping roles like physdef corv+physdef pecharunt. Here’s the direction we can go

Replace Rillaboom with all out attack zamazenta, that way you actually have ways of dealing with kingambit.

Make corviknight spdef with leftovers here instead of physdef. You don’t really need double physdef pecharunt+corv and spdef will help your MU into opposing kyurem, I would make corv tera ice aswell.

And since you have double removal I would suggest making pecharunt rocky helmet here.

I would also recommend knock off over low kick on cornerstone as you don’t really want to be walled by gholdengo.

In addition I would recommend sub lefties drill over dd. Sub is nice for scouting & just getting the free extra turns to do damage and stuff is nice.

https://pokepast.es/f5a4894bb4021c34 something like this

Other options you can consider for cornerstone is Trailblaze to boost speed or horn leech for recovery as grass stab

[tawdry locust]

thank you kind sir

[quartz lark]

Neurotica
https://pokepast.es/be4ecea9cbbe3bea

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

ig ur running psyspam u should run booster speed crown with cm eforce

and something over hoopa like a maushold or hatterene or deoxys

[quartz lark]

Going with crown changes and maushold

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/74afc4831d5d9835
Got 1910+ top 50 iirc

Built around super fat av kyu

Only thing that bothered me was vs np pech

[stone sierra]

Insanely cool team

I’m stealing it

[proper jungle]

https://pokepast.es/96c420836e7b1b48 peep dis OU squad

[knotty sundial]

I feel like you prefer physical lead treads here so you can run ice spinner

[tepid hazel]

Guys is my strat ok

I start with ting lu and set up stealth rocks and put up a substitute if they use bulk up, curse, etc etc, i use whirlwind to take away their stats and damage their other pokemon

If ting lu still lives for whatever reason i just keep spamminf whirlwind to stack hazard dmg

Then when ting lu dies i usually go for any pokemon depending on the situation EXCEPT for gambit, hes my ace

Then after that i either finish up setting spikes if it isnt up already and or i use nasty plot on dengo and try to dmg their mons

When they inevitably die i finally use gambit and tera it for the stab bonus

https://pokepast.es/f935480ab46f0898

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

you do not need 3 spike setters

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/47bcc72b81db359e

[regal ginkgo]

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[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/e98958a9c61fc55d

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

2 or more is good

[wooden linden]

no you just need one

waste of a moveslot if you have more than one really

[tepid hazel]

If it gets taken out the team is worse tho

Spikes usually only go up to 1 if i only did ting lu

[wooden linden]

Yeah if you set hazards in front of smth that can 2shot it that tends to happen

I dont see why that even matters. usually one hazard is enough anyways

You already have rocks on lu you can just set that

Chomp is basically overkill since both ting and samu already set hazards

Oh and btw youre running a - def tusk and this isnt even mentioning sub ting

https://pokepast.es/e9a593c8bac514d0

[uneven nexus]

https://pokepast.es/d191bc8945f8f779

Relatively new to the game, here's my OU team. Is there any way this could be improved?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

not a rate

but this team is straight aura lmao

im shitting myself

needs a fairy resist, ground immunity

uh

[limber spear]

uh is psyshock mb ival a good set

i thought u need sball

also tera fairy specs pult seems weird

[gritty lake]

not talking about the indiv sets

[limber spear]

[wooden linden]

bump

[terse bone]

https://pokepast.es/f884bee277b5cfeb
anyone can rate this?
and this https://pokepast.es/c8c2672ab85f1e9c
thank u

[nocturne sable]

I’m ngl, AV torn is looking like the weak link here. When you already have spdef treads, AV kyurem & hamu to trade into most spark AV torn just feels unnecessary

IMO I would just run latios over torn with a covert cloak for stuff like malignant chain poison

That’s something that can at least pressure NP pecha

[round portal]

https://pokepast.es/bdd9b41de2175c6c

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[round portal]

i was using cc tusk on ladder but i saw a bunch of molts and zaps

[final relic]

hmm

idk about booster here

try bulk up taunt and boots nite

[round portal]

rock move or spinner

[final relic]

head smash works

bulk up taunt headlong head smash tera ghost

booster speed

[round portal]

do u think stone edge could work to beat corvi?

[final relic]

probably want to have dazzling gleam here on moth

yeah stone edge is fine

[round portal]

do u think the tb ghost dnite could work here?

[nocturne sable]

Me thinks Tera flying dnite is fine, nothing can go wrong with it

[round portal]

okok updated https://pokepast.es/14e56f1cd05f223e

[feral patio]

I started playing this game like four days ago i have no clue what im doing how bad is this? https://pokepast.es/08d51effc13f28e0

[round portal]

i think most prevalently, almost every mon isnt very viable in ou

many better mons for each role exist

[feral patio]

Oh i know but i dont like the meta ones

[round portal]

hm

smth i found helpful was picking one pokemon or set i really liked and building off that

[feral patio]

Oh okay

[round portal]

then teambuilding can turn into a battle of checking boxes

like getting a ground immune, elec immune, steel type, gambit check etc etc

[feral patio]

Yeah imma try that

[quartz lark]

Solar Wind
https://pokepast.es/52b01341cb0003c9

[hushed lodge]

https://pokepast.es/fbdc9c3bbb68613c idk when or even if i made this team but i wanna use cb rilla

thoughts?

ok i found out i took it from a samples team i'll make another team brb

[hushed lodge]

https://pokepast.es/3da77bbda7176ebf

[tepid hazel]

whats wrong with sub ting

[wooden linden]

Its useless since you arent actually taking advantage of it

Youre just wasting hp

[knotty sundial]

also ghold is naive

as is chomp

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/92e5c9b46a56c0f4

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/3d34e663e7406673

[quick moss]

https://pokepast.es/9fb37c802afaddc1

can i get a rating for my first attempt at a ou team

thanks

[round portal]

i feel like for an offensive team it doesnt have a way to break a bunch of common mons

such as zapdos can click attacks for free

nasty plot pech can also be a really hard matchup

[quick moss]

what do you suggest i do

[round portal]

i think maybe rotom could be replaced with another breaker. I feel like maybe kyurem on this team could be really good with the double removal

i also really like grassy seed ghold here

[quick moss]

i like kyurem and i can do bulb

[limber spear]

this is prolly too slow and if u want to make it a grassy ho just go seed dengo hatt +bu tusk +like tera fire dnite (?) and then take rotom out for smth else like id zama🤔

also why r some mons lacking tera

like it’s not even stab tera they just not exist

[quick moss]

Ok

I forget that terra exist sometimes

[modern summit]

https://pokepast.es/86514fe0ad843fce
do I go for twave dengo? Also should I replace treads with tusk

[quick moss]

Been drafting too much

[quick moss]

Zamazenta? I was also told kyurem what are the benefits of them?

[limber spear]

they r mons that just broken+ enjoy the recovery

there r also things like bolt and dogi which enjoy not only the healing it provides but also the eq power nerf

things like dengo prolly get the most cuz recovery + eq+seed proc

[quick moss]

ok got it thanks

[hushed lodge]

https://pokepast.es/3da77bbda7176ebf

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hushed lodge]

asked yesterday but i think it was too late so im askin again just in case

i think i could maybe fit hisuian samurott here but im not sure who to replace, the team seems pretty well balanced overall

[frail hedge]

This good?

[nocturne sable]

Specs raging bolt doesn’t fit here, you have no ground immune.

Gholdengo on Gterrain should be bulky nasty plot recover. Tera depends on your coverage if you’re running Tera fairy run dazzling gleam+shadow ball if you’re running Tera fighting run focus blast+shadow ball.

Ogerpon here should be an offensive swords dance set here with grassy glide play rough.

I would replace raging bolt with something like a bulky dd Tera blast fairy dragonite here.

I would lowkey also replace iron valiant with glimmora. The standard red card set can work or power herb meteor beam.

I would make great tusk here speed booster taunt Bulk up head smash headlong rush with Tera poison to resist fairies and avoid toxic.

[nocturne sable]

A lot of these mons seem random, what exactly are you trying to build? Just spamming protean Mons?

[shell yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/821532e054d07301

should anything change here

I have been experimenting kyurem sets

[nocturne sable]

Comp looks fines but evs need adjustments

Just because you’re running webs doesn’t mean you don’t run speed evs on your mons.

Tusk and gambit still appreciate those max speed evs

You can just run attack booster max speed max attack tusk and accomplish the same thing

While outspeeding more stuff with webs up

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @meager roost, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[meager roost]

oh oops

[shell yarrow]

I run max hp ev because great tusk is mostly there for rapid spin

and tera ghost to block it

should I be running sometihng else

[nocturne sable]

Btw Araquanid @ Custap Berry
Ability: Water Bubble
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpA
Modest Nature

• Sticky Web
• Surf
• Endeavor
• Endure

Special Attack evs allow you to 2hko hatt

Def evs lives 2 ceaseless edges from hamu

[shell yarrow]

is special defense not needed

ill try spa ev

[nocturne sable]

Not saying that great tusk isn’t fine here I’m just saying you should be max speed instead of hp

You want to be as fast as possible to abuse webs especially with a pokemon like great tusk who has a competitive speed tier

Tera ghost Bu tusk can be fine generally speaking though

[shell yarrow]

what do u think is the best kyurem set for this team

[nocturne sable]

Oh I didn’t even peep the Kyu set

Umm run Tera blast ground if you’re going full physical instead of earth power

[shell yarrow]

ok

[hushed lodge]

https://pokepast.es/6e31d7e730e87814 so like this right?

i am admitadelly not that familiar with the dnite and glimmora sets so i just took them from the smogon thingy

[nocturne sable]

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 104 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Tera Blast
• Earthquake
• Roost

Just run enough speed in dnite to outspeed woger at +1

[nocturne sable]

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 192 HP / 252 Atk / 64 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Tera Blast
• Earthquake
• Roost

Honestly you can even greed with more hp

[hushed lodge]

alright, thanks!

i'll give it a try in the ladder

[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/c21c9c2657ce446e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

Garg doesn't fit on this sort of team

it's a liability into structures with more longevity since you have no removal

I'm not a huge fan of that gliscor set either as it seems overly passive and doesn't accomplish much

[elder knoll]

If you wanna use Whims it’s main niche is on sun as a growth sweeper

Tailwind isn’t really worth using in 6v6 singles either

[marsh mason]

so like how are we feeling about my big boy team https://pokepast.es/ab25485439c8ba72

[quartz lark]

Whimsicot on sun for chlorophyll is just outclassed by venu and lili-hisui

Tailwind through whimsicott opposed to tr/webs grants priority speed boosting and isn’t vulnerable to spin removal

[mental ermine]

https://pokepast.es/daceea7d040be1eb thought of a cool little synergy with chilly reception setting up snow for blizzard kyurem and tried making a team out of it :>

[elder knoll]

Whims does literally nothing for your team and tailwind is basically unviable in singles since you waste 2 turns setting up

The only actually viable teams with whims in sv OU are sun teams

Additionally having scarfer on a tailwind team is already like what are we doing here bro

[wooden geode]

https://pokepast.es/be82101cd30c3e66

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden geode]

Grassy terrain team I was torn between prim and hat but prim does a little better against Ghol which is a huge prob for hawucha

[upper otter]

The #1 thing that's going off in my head is that Heatran really should fit rocks in there. Even after SD, Hawlucha needs the chip damage to help its sweeping. I personally would swap it with Taunt, but ig Will O Wisp can be swapped out if you need to deal.
The second is just how many one-use items you have. Grassy Seed on Hawlucha is obviously the right choice, but idk why we're using Air Balloon on Heatran when having Leftovers for the ability to heal damage combined with Grassy Terrain makes more sense. The one-time ground Mind game isn't as valuable as the longevity of this key piece is, and you're not particularly weak to Earthquake per se.
You have way too many setup mons in particular, and this comes at the cost of either being an immediate threat or in bulk. Calm Mind on Primarina combined with Calm Mind on Great Neck is just double dipping and not in a good way where you're overwhelming checks. I'd recommend swapping out for a pivot-based set on Primarina with Flip Turn, since primarily what it seems to be doing in this team is switching in on things other members don't like facing. Similarly, Bulk Up seems like a weird choice to tack onto the tried-and-true Great Tusk quadrilogy where instead of BU it's Close Combat.

[wooden geode]

Thanks for the help! I’ll defiantly alter the heat set as I do agree that air balloon and taunt haven’t had as much value as I thought they would have. I also totally agree with the having too many set up sweepers after trying this team in mid ladder. I’ll try the prim set but am also curious whether an assault vest bolt (for slow pivot) or choice spec (for immediate threat) instead of a calm mind bolt would be more effective.

[quartz lark]

I don’t conform to normality

[daring dew]

https://pokepast.es/de2486b38a473d1d

lokix dragapult team :> any suggestions are appreciated!!

[queen saddle]

I like this team! However I don’t think your only way of blocking hazards should be Hatt

I feel as if

A Gking Treads Zap core over Corvi Alo and Hatt is very strong

with this archetype

Something like volt chilly core or chilly turn core

as to give Lokix and Pult ways to enter

I also think dnite should be maybe a little less greedy

this set is strong but I think roost or roost e speed eq is fine

encore I just don’t rlly like

and you could seriously go boots lokix but band is p fine here as well

I dont like the gambit matchup very much so my advice is turn volt switch hurricane heat wave roost zap

You could replace dnite with something like big dog Za even

idef win con

[stone sierra]

Minor thing but low kick over iron head is the current webs gambit set iirc

[round portal]

I feel like ur team is a bit slow and could really use sm speed control, like smth like pult or rai clicks buttons pretty unpunished

i also think that you could use a ground immune cuz smth like a tusk with cc would have no switchins really

maybe smth like torn t could fit both roles

i like the heatran oger breaking core though

[modern summit]

https://pokepast.es/e93a1e41fd344165
do I put tusk over treads?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

I’m curious did I not rate this team like a week ago?

And you switched back some of the sets

[round portal]

doesnt booster speed bulk up tusk just 6-0

[modern summit]

yea I used some of ur stuff and kept changing stuff

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/12435ce2bf16fdb8 not sure what else to suggest then

All I know is boots Ghold will make your match up into grounds worst

[modern summit]

Alr thanks ig il go for air balloon

[round portal]

i feel like ive seen this team before but with a samu instead of rai

been obsessed with these lead ting lu ho teams https://pokepast.es/2a13eef9de991a61

[terse bone]

https://pokepast.es/f884bee277b5cfeb

[round portal]

how do u kill subtect kyu

ceru looks like a tough matchup also

[queen saddle]

Air balloon is best anyways, balloon lets you avoid hazards but rocks which Ghold resists

and he’s not meant to be a wall

so either trade or dont tank

[terse bone]

Yep. With kyu just tera gliscor 😦

[terse bone]

Ceru 6-0 me

[mental ermine]

https://pokepast.es/daceea7d040be1eb thought of a cool little synergy with chilly reception setting up snow for blizzard kyurem and tried making a team out of it :>

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

ground types fry this team

[mental ermine]

shoot ok

[inner terrace]

could try uturn glisc + val over tusk bolt

[mental ermine]

alr

[mental ermine]

what set on val

[inner terrace]

booster or smth

[mental ermine]

alr

would i do utility scor

[frail hedge]

Does someone have a good ou team that revolves around rain and stuff

[round portal]

like i said before it also could use speed control

[round portal]

i thinkk if u type in rfaq rain in a chatroom u can get rain samples

i like this one https://pokepast.es/e59c1a45f7285682

the pinka one is pretty cool also if they dont have kyu or a zapdos switch in https://pokepast.es/d24ee1aa2efe7feb

[mental ermine]

oh sorry i ddint see your message 😭

what would you reccomend

i have twave on slowking

[mental ermine]

added scor and speed boost val from quacc's suggestion and both thos pokemon also help with these problems

scor isnt doing it for me tho so i might try torn

[round portal]

ye val i think fits nicely

[mental ermine]

what torn set were you thinking

[round portal]

but i think u would rather scor over torn cuz u want an electric immune

[round portal]

i meant torn over bolt maybe

[mental ermine]

ok fair

oh alr

what set would you reccomend for gliscor cuz the uturn set i was using was doing absolutely nothing 😭

[round portal]

uh

knock off toxic is always fun

well

not to play against

[mental ermine]

LOL

i have knock toxic and protect

spikes or osmething for the last slot?

[round portal]

maybe just eq

[mental ermine]

alr

[round portal]

spikes wont really be staying up

cuz no spin blocker

[mental ermine]

yeah

[solemn widget]

https://pokepast.es/8ec68ff90763ac84
i was trying assault vest rbolt on the team in place of valiant but fighting tusks (especially w/ ice spinner) became such a pain in the ass

[nocturne sable]

AV tinka is definitely awkward to build with because you’re missing out on important role compression like like rocks, encore, Twave etc.

But if you are building around it as a trader you probably want max speed over max hp, you want to utilize that speed tier to outspeed stuff like Lando-t

You might also want ice hammer to better trade into Gliscor

[solemn widget]

I c i c

Then i probs need to have another mon be able to eat special hits

[nocturne sable]

Idk came up with this team in a few minutes https://pokepast.es/b798e151810c6ed3

[solemn widget]

I c

I'll give that a go ty

[heavy dome]

can anyone rate my team and give me improvements https://pokepast.es/35b5f35cf567a42a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/7f7e54b33cbbf97b

@nocturne sable

https://tenor.com/view/once-again-asking-gif-18234786473894858127

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/6877b8ef058fbbd1 how does one make gliscor work

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

I can see this working but needs a few changes
Grimm > Deo as your screens setter
Ceru should just be sash or even life orb sd, otherwise you’ll probably want aurora veil which works better for bulk up

Valiant needs to be booster cm, don’t know why it’s specs

and this is the most random gliscor I’ve seen, respectfully ofc
Change it to booster atk Tusk, for hazard control and wallbreaking

And Oger should be sd

Tbh I see a problem in your team being primarily physical

You could do a booster speed moth

over Ceru

but should be fine tbh

I’d have a more greedy dragonite set, dd tera blast flying goes hard

Covert cloak or lum berry if you REALLY wanna be greedy too

[queen saddle]

Also yea do booster speed moth, u need the tspike soaker

[queen saddle]

I honestly like this team, even if you’re not asking me, but I’d say you might want a rocker
Rocks on Chomp/Deo should do the job
Also I feel like fblast is less preferred than sludge bomb, you have enough checks to Gambit and your team doesn’t like fairy

Moth and Ceru do good into them but Big Dog, Rai, and Chomp don’t like them

Especially scarf Enam

Feels like Scarf Enam can do good revenging into your team

Which is annoying

[queen saddle]

SD Gliscor is used more on bulky teams that need a form of offense, like (sometimes) semi stall or balance, things like those
Imo this is an ho that needs different sets and different mons