SV OU Rates

[thin zinc]

👍

Yeah I don't think it was anything to do with the team it was just a me issue :p

About exca
I was trying to wait out sand so tusk could kill safely but also forgot the speed tiers (and couldn't really rely on it being adamant) and only realized midway into the sequence of switching
I do have a habit of tunnel visioning into certain plays sometimes

I will also admit the seemingly silly play threw me off a bit
And so I didn't consider switching in heatran
Lemme recheck the replay, see if balloon was intact
Cause that could also be why

[thin zinc]

Because why are you risking a dead enamorus for some moonblast chip on a glowking

And it feels like they only caught on afterwards, which is what annoyed me

Cause it felt like i was giving them respect they shouldn't have gotten, again

Overall though, yeah
Learning experience

[nocturne sable]

Yea I understand wanting balloon to be intact, but rocks could have put pressure on the opponent. Anyways the rai play could have worked but you sinked momentum by going back into glowking.

[gusty nimbus]

curious if there's any way this could be improved upon? im just trying out offensive hazard stack https://pokepast.es/8ad8d55b9ab08c3d

i found myself struggling against stall oriented teams but that honestly might just be a me thing

[thin zinc]

Mm
Noted

[thin zinc]

I wonder if there's more depth to the team than I'm currently using
I'm still thinking about the scarf bluff
But also I risk just
Dying to moonblast for no reason if the opponent decides to stay in and call it

[nocturne sable]

At times you just have to take a risk. If you make a reasonable play and it doesn’t work out don’t beat yourself too much on it. Only focus on the ones where you think “this was avoidable and there were better options to go for”

[thin zinc]

🤔
Alright

At the very least it's stuff I can improve as a player rather than like
Some 6-0 matchup
Team feels playable into most things so far
Though I gotta wonder how it plays into stall

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/23ec884795a8dc0f

This any decent?

Wasn’t this in the Pinkacross prize pool tourney?

[unique zephyr]

huh, really?

[chilly tundra]

Yeah

I remember this team

[unique zephyr]

i saw the stream

[chilly tundra]

I could’ve sworn someone used this team

[unique zephyr]

i took quaquaval because i thought it was interesting

but everything else was mine

wait,and slowking

but i was already planning to use it to help kyurem

[chilly tundra]

I don’t know what kind of team I wanna build, probably some kind of bulky offense

Any ideas?

[unique zephyr]

hmmm, bulky offense is what i like the best

its balanced and not too risky

js follow your heart twin

[chilly tundra]

I wanted to play something with Mandibuzz but that’s a little tough

[unique zephyr]

wait i saw a team using mandibuzz on OU once

it wasnt that useful but it threw me off abit

go for it

[wispy goblet]

https://pokepast.es/d6061042decfce31
specs horoark bo team i just made

[chilly tundra]

I just need help in team building

[stray osprey]

what item on tealpon? still band?

can u give me a tusk set that can replicate luna's damage as close as possible?

[gray karma]

why Spdef EVs on treads ?

Try to put Scarf Pawmot and Galarian Slowking and probably smth to wall Waterpon

[queen saddle]

yeah

[queen saddle]

Booster atk Tusk

CC Headlong ice spinner and rapid spin

Hits literally everything for great damage

destroys Corvi and I think even Alo? Idk abt Alo tho

And ice spinner wrecks Dnite

hopefully that helps

[stray osprey]

ok ty

[chilly tundra]

Should I run max speed?

I just need help with teambuilding in general

[gray karma]

Yes, or play Assault Vest I like to put Assault Vest on it

[chilly tundra]

I’m trying to find a team I can gel with but I can’t find much success

I like weaker mons like slither wing, mandibuzz, etc

[queen saddle]

Spdef evs is very viable on Treads

It’s very common for treads to simply run either max spdef or spdef with enough speed to outpace Kyurem or Crown

Lots are max atk but also lots are bulky

it depends on the team

[queen saddle]

You can keep spdef and honestly I’d trade samu for a bulkier mon

this team should just be balance with NP Deo to clean up along with Tealpon

[chilly tundra]

So a different spiker would work, or just a different mon entirely?

If so. What?

[queen saddle]

Just a different spiker that can handle Ghold better and a special pult imo

You like spikes on these teams anyways

[chilly tundra]

Hm…idk

[queen saddle]

Imo your main struggle is using Samu as your primary water resistance

Giving a weakness into Wake really

Woger is handled just fine with Pech and Mandi

[chilly tundra]

Water absorb clod?

[queen saddle]

eh

the typing is the problem with Clod

But it’s manageable tbh

You could go for that

[chilly tundra]

And then probably replace treads?

[queen saddle]

just Clod is a massive momentum sink

[queen saddle]

Makes you much more Kyurem weak

Treads should run enough speed to outspeed Kyurem and be able to knock off those specs

or get rocks off so Kyurem can’t switch in for long

[chilly tundra]

Does treads still run knock?

[queen saddle]

Oh yeah always

So I think smth you can do

Is run Wogerpon

for that water immunity

and potential spikes if you want

and replace tealpon with another spike abuser

Rillaboom is closest to tealpon if you want that

also I’d just run eq/high horsepower treads instead of earth power

Tusk is easy with Mandi

Toxic and then it’s not a threat

[chilly tundra]

My original Idea was to make a bulky offense that used defensive slither or mandibuzz to help support frail, offensive sweepers

[queen saddle]

also I did actually notice your weakness to Gliscor is heavier than I thought, which is why I said try out Woger
But you don’t really have a switch into toxic and eq

[chilly tundra]

Can I try the slither wing and/or mandi BO. Would that be anyway decent?

[queen saddle]

Slither wing BO is kinda specific

since you need slither wing to do something that you need it to do

Mandi is very random tbh but it’s ofc usable

[chilly tundra]

What do you think is the better approach?

[queen saddle]

uturn foul play

toxic defog

all serve a niche

depending which set you run

[queen saddle]

Mandi by far

[chilly tundra]

I’m running Idef, foul play, toxic, roost. Should I switch the set?

[queen saddle]

on your team your set is fine

[chilly tundra]

Maybe replace Idef with U turn. I’m restarting the team from the top

[queen saddle]

If you’re changing the team then it depends if you want Mandi to be a bulky pivot, hazard removal, or a pissy bird with toxic

[chilly tundra]

Probably a pivot Mon because piss chicken is better for stall/Hstack

[queen saddle]

oh yeah Mandi gets knock off too

[chilly tundra]

How about U turn, roost, toxic, foul play?

[queen saddle]

you’re going to need to make it have a good niche tho js so yk

bc it needs to do something different in order to not be outclassed by

Moltres Zap and Corvi

[chilly tundra]

Is there a way we can hop in a voice chat and we can discuss more thoroughly the team?

[chilly tundra]

Yeah…you’re right

[queen saddle]

If your team struggle into Woger, it’s better than Molt and Zap
if your team wants toxic, it’s better than the 3 but also why not run a stallier mon since you want toxic

just make it be different while doing similar things

[queen saddle]

also unfortunately not, I’m unable to at the moment and also this channel is for rating teams and not creating

Although I can help you some more in dms too if you’d like, as to not clog up chat more than we already have

[tropic spade]

hi guys

I just started pokemon showdown

[queen saddle]

#comp-general

[tropic spade]

I’m asking for tips for my team

I just made

can I send in here?

[queen saddle]

yeye

if its for OU

if not then another channel

[tropic spade]

ok

Ninja (Greninja-Ash) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Battle Bond
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 148 HP / 16 Atk / 40 Def / 252 SpA / 52 Spe
Quiet Nature

• Ice Beam
• Protect
• Trailblaze
• Swords Dance

Raiden (Ceruledge) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 64 HP / 236 Atk / 68 Def / 140 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bitter Blade
• Shadow Sneak
• Poltergeist

Iron Wall (Regirock) @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 168 HP / 88 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Rock Blast
• Body Press
• Iron Defense

Gorlock (Blissey) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Healer
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 192 HP / 168 Def / 140 SpD / 8 Spe
Bold Nature

• Drain Punch
• Heal Bell
• Sweet Kiss
• Life Dew

Itachi (Murkrow) @ Eviolite
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 88 HP / 64 Atk / 76 Def / 80 SpA / 80 SpD / 120 Spe
Gentle Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Haze
• Foul Play
• Thunder Wave

Bandai (Dragapult) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Dragon Darts
• Hex
• Will-O-Wisp
• U-turn

its probably really bad

[nocturne sable]

Send it in a pokepaste format next time to make it easier to read

[tropic spade]

mb

where is poke paste?

[nocturne sable]

Click upload to pokepaste

[light shadow]

https://pokepast.es/9e7ee1378d43b8e8

It's been feeling nice, but I'm sure it could use some polishing. Im not too sure about the lack of spdef on weezing, but I haven't touched the smogon set

[tropic spade]

ahhh ok

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic spade]

https://pokepast.es/a4025d53e12b1abe

[nocturne sable]

Okay so it seems quite a few teams are popping up here today so I’m going to try and take a good look at them

[nocturne sable]

I’m not really a fan of structures like these, but it works. Team comp definitely looks like a fairly standard fat balance.

AV rilla looks out of place. Since you’re running fat balance you want an attacker that will at least threatening immediate damage alongside a reliable wincon/sweeper, zama is fine in that regard.

Ting Lu set is kinda trash ngl. Resto chesto on a non wincon defensive piece with stealth rock doesn’t really synergies well. No flying type also sucks especially for a balance team.

I think you can take a look at this sample team for a reference since this is pretty similar to your team.

https://pokepast.es/eed79f6d4ac5c5b5

for structures like these you kinda need corv here, otherwise grounds are going to farm this team as well as spikes especially when gweez and mola both lose their boots to knock off.

And like I said before you want something that can immediately threaten damage and something that can act as a reliable wincon. Dragapult and kyurem in the sample are a good example of this. Dragapult can pivot and threaten immediate damage with choice band and kyurem can act as a wincon with sub 3 attacks being able to snipe most of the tier.

[nocturne sable]

This team is unviable in SV OU. I recommend looking at samples and proven RMTs if you’re new to the tier

[tropic spade]

ok

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Pokemon Showdown! room
• Discord
• Metagame discussion thread
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Viability rankings
• Sample teams

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[nocturne sable]

@tropic spade ^resources you can look at for the metagame

[tropic spade]

ok

[light shadow]

Band wisp on pult?

[nocturne sable]

Pults 4th move slot is pretty free since it’s really only clicking darts and U-turn most of the time

If it Tera ghost it’s spamming Tera blast

And wisp can cripple darks trying to swap in on pult like kingambit and Hamurott

[light shadow]

Alright

What does the speed do on weezing if it has no attacks

[nocturne sable]

It outspeeds and clicks will o wisp on kingambit

Non jolly kingambit at least

[light shadow]

Oh ok

[gusty nimbus]

reposting this cuz it got drowned up there. curious if there's any way this could be improved upon? im just trying out offensive hazard stack https://pokepast.es/8ad8d55b9ab08c3d

[wispy goblet]

can someone help me review this team?

[stray osprey]

https://pokepast.es/e2f1e0763ffb321f

heres my new team, unsure of tera on tusk and whether cudgel or wood hammer is better on oger

[queen saddle]

ivy cudgel all the time

and Ghold should js be max max speed spatk

timid

Tusks run steel/fight

depends if you want help vs a kyurem that ddanced out of control

or cc for explosive power

I love fighting on offensive tusk like this

but steel is good too

[nocturne sable]

Try Tspikes glowking here to truly make this Hstack. Could just make it psychic noise over future sight.

Also you want max speed on tusk here. Max hp or max attack it’s up to you but it should be max speed here for sure. Rocky helmet is a fine item, can also switch to boots if you think your hazard MU is rough or booster energy to get the speed jump on mons that would otherwise outspeed you.

Ghold can lowkey be bulky Twave here and rillaboom can be SD Tera dark LO.

And change hamurotts evs to this

Samurott-Hisui @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sharpness
EVs: 248 HP / 84 Atk / 124 SpD / 52 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Adamant Nature

• Ceaseless Edge
• Razor Shell
• Sucker Punch
• Knock Off

speed evs allow you to outspeed jolly low kick gambit and hp spdef investment allows you to live kyurem freeze dry and enam moonblast
From Full.

In general though the team comp is nice. Just need to adjust the sets a little bit

[nocturne sable]

This team gets absolutely fried by Ival and other fairies like enam primarina.

I’m sorry but Hzoar is kinda of useless here since it doesn’t synergies with the team at all. It’s taking up glowkings slot here which your team comp needs badly.

[nocturne sable]

This looks almost fine.

Make moth booster spatk and make tusk booster Atk with 3 attacks and rapid spin.

Make Ghold max speed max spatk like the other guy said. I think I understand that you might want to EV Ghold to live stuff and run just enough speed to outspeed darkrai in webs but you generally just want as much damage as possible+outspeeding non boots zama under webs is nice.

Think your team could be fine.

[gritty finch]

This was a grassy terrain team I made just today and was hoping for some feedback on what I could improve on. The most glaring issue imo is that I don't have a hazard removal and am unsure what to swap out for it atm:

https://pokepast.es/c786f0a995ea0e03

[nocturne sable]

U-turn is not good on a sweeper like hawlucha bruh. Especially because it just wastes the unburden boost. Run the standard smogon set for hawlucha. Pretty sure it’s Tera electric encore sd dual stab.

You also have double rocks on both garg and heatran? That’s unnecessary. Just run stealth rocks heatran and make garg a curse body press set. Also for garg I do think you want the standard smogon set that is spdef invested.

In terms of who you drop for hazard removal? I would just drop Hamurott. It’s the least important member of your team and doesn’t really offer much outside of spikes but your team isn’t really built towards that style. So drop Hamurott for boots 3 attacks rapid spin Greta tusk.

Ghold would want a bulkier spread on teams like this.

Gholdengo @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 192 HP / 192 Def / 124 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Dazzling Gleam
• Shadow Ball
• Recover

Something like this.

Outside of that the team should be fine.

https://pokepast.es/5f32f7ba7fd2a0e8 so something like this @gritty finch

[gritty finch]

Out of curiosity, what would be the benefit of tera electric lucha? And while I do agree with dropping Hamurott, would that break the core? (I'm running a water, fire, grass core and am unaware if I have another currently)

as for tusk in the team you provided, would having ice spinner conflict with the grassy terrain setup?

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think water fire grass core is necessary. There are even some teams that don’t run any of the said types at all

Tera electric hawlucha allows you to 1v1 Zapdos, a very annoying physdef Mon that usually halts hawluchas sweep.

[gritty finch]

Gotcha. For further clarification, how does one identify when a team core is or isn't necessary?

[nocturne sable]

like when a Pokemon isn’t needed on a team or??

Just speaking about cores in general?

[gritty finch]

cores in general, all I am aware of is that they help cover weaknesses in your team

[nocturne sable]

About cores in general it’s mainly just about synergy. If a Pokemon doesn’t contribute much to your team or its role isn’t really what you looking for that’s how you find out if it’s unnecessary.

Let’s use your team for example. See how you have a core of rillaboom+a bunch of sweepers that benefit from gterrain like gholdengo, hawlucha and garganacl?? That’s an example of good team synergy and a core complimenting each other. Grassy extender rillaboom enables hawlucha and gholdengo to proc their grassy seeds and set up to sweep.

However AV Hamurott doesn’t really synergies well with the team. Usually Hamurott is a great partner alongside rillaboom and gholdengo on team that utilize stacking hazards as a way of winning. On top of that Hamurott provides a ghost resist to stuff like opposing gholdengo, Dragapult and Ceruledge. But since your team is revolved more around set up sweepers and you already have means of dealing with ghost types(garganacl and heatran) AV hamurotts role isn’t as useful, and like you said in your original post you were primarily looking for hazard removal and you desperately needed a ground type for electric type attacks. That’s why Tusk was more of value here and a more necessary member of your team compared to Hamurott.

[gritty finch]

Gotcha. Thanks a lot for the proper explanation. It definitely helped me visualize it a lot better 🙏

and just to follow up with my last question about tusk, would ice spinner be a move that doesn't synergize with grassy terrain?

[nocturne sable]

Ice spinner is interesting. Not really because tusk isn’t really the one abusing Gterrain here. Ice spinner is really wanted on tusk to snipe flying types like Gliscor, landorus, dragonite, etc.

There has been gterrain teams that have use ice spinner tusk, so it’s kinda fine.

And you can always set it back up with rillaboom anyways

[gritty finch]

Gotcha. Tysm!

[nocturne sable]

Np

[lost stag]

Here's a new team I made. https://pokepast.es/0b6e44650b57eef6

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost stag]

So far I reached my peak Elo with that team, tho I'm low ladder since I'm still new to competitive Pokemon

[tacit bluff]

This is pretty solid actually

Especially for someone who is new

[lost stag]

I had the help of Smogon and Munchstats for it. I'm glad it turned out well

[tacit bluff]

I do have one issue in that iron valiant could prove kinda scary especially with its mixed sets hitting everything on this team and also for an ho team this isn't super fast

Also hazard removal is lacking

Which is fine on ho but not when you have a handful of mons who do not appreciate hazards

[lost stag]

I see, I'll check what I can do. Perhaps I could use more heavy duty boots or should I just add defog/rapid spin?

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/3ab747849fdc3234

[lost stag]

Oh wait. What about mortal spin with my Glimmora?

[amber terrace]

Hi this is my Choice Band Ogerpon + Raging Bolt Offense team, please let me know what you think.
https://pokepast.es/55605bac6c46adbc

[turbid kelp]

Doesn't look very bulky

[amber terrace]

ok mannn 😭 ill change the nameee

[queen saddle]

This team feels bizarre and odd, as if it wants to accomplish multiple roles with each mon that don’t fit together
The EVS on Moltres and Raging Bolt and Treads don’t make sense, and Lati is used generally on screens
Scald on Sinistcha is also pretty mid, and you have a pretty poor defensive backbone, and no rocks
I’d recommend trying out sample teams to get a feel for the meta

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Pokemon Showdown! room
• Discord
• Metagame discussion thread
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Viability rankings
• Sample teams

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[turbid kelp]

I do have rocks..?

@queen saddle also played all of the sample teams and I don't like any of them 😐

[queen saddle]

Missed it on Treads

mb

EQ isn’t a move you.. want to give up much

your treads is extremely passive

[queen saddle]

what part of them are you struggling with

[turbid kelp]

Wdym?

[gray karma]

1417 is nice with sample teams if u start

[queen saddle]

like how are you struggling with the sample teams

Bc they’re good and consistent if yk how to use it

My favorite is Hydrapple sand

also sun offense

[turbid kelp]

I am not really struggling I just don't like them, the one I liked most is covert cloak pech but I still didn't love it

I think I got into the 1550s? Still kinda low

[queen saddle]

then find some more videos on teambuilding

and just kept sending it here whenever you get a nice team that you think can work

just all you can do is learn ig

[amber terrace]

Hi this is my Choice Band Ogerpon + Raging Bolt Offense team, please let me know what you think.
https://pokepast.es/55605bac6c46adbc

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/8cf8a9b3f3012b40

@nocturne sable help

[queen saddle]

Didn’t I give my thoughts on this team?

Unless you js flat out ignored me

[gritty lake]

looking for the raters' opinions

[queen saddle]

Looks like this is just pivot spam but you don’t have a defensive backbone

[queen saddle]

I am a rater here and do my best to help everyone I can
Although I’m still laddering as to get back enough elo to try to get that role for this channel

I may not have the role but I still do my best to rate every team and lessen the pressure on other raters

[queen saddle]

back to this, you’d generally want a defensive backbone as to make this more consistent, otherwise you’re sacing too much whenever one of your mons get walled

While I do think specs Bolt and band Oger are great for teams like this, and Cinderace is good hazard control, the rest of your partners don’t do enough defensively
Also can Dragapult be used over Ghold? It gets u-turn and supports the team with status

also doesn’t make you have 3 choice locked mons which is a problem you do have

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/cbdcda0e1199b245

Any ideas for improvement or should this be scrapped?

I’m noticing a speed issue

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey:

you can change glimmora to its red card set

Ability: Toxic Debris  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 248 HP / 40 Def / 168 SpD / 52 Spe  
Calm Nature  
- Stealth rock
- Power Gem
- Earth Power
- Mortal Spin```

Red card glimm will help you with phasing and forcing Tspikes and Hazard chip. 

Ghold can be defensive with Twave and recover here. That will help you with mons like zamazenta for example.

Other than that This is a pretty standard team comp.

[nocturne sable]

I think you want scizor here over scarf gholdengo on voltTurn teams like this for solid priority

Outside of that pretty standard volt turn combos I see here. Can maybe look at ebelt rai if you don’t like the LO chip.

[gray karma]

Maybe try to use the teams on SV OU - Rate My Team they're good for some

[nocturne sable]

What specifically is the problem of your team?

[gritty lake]

lack of consistency

[nocturne sable]

If I were to give my preferences though I would try mystic water SD aqua cutter aqua jet ceaseless edge Hamurot with Tera water.

I like sub 3 attacks here for scouting purposes and playing around gambit always. Though I understand the 4 attacks here. You can maybe drop sludge wave here for sub.

Much rather Tera dark on iron valiant Here.

Looking at the team? If I’m suggesting mystic water aqua jet Hamu you probably want additional priority on the side to help with stuff like Dragapult. Ceruledge wouldn’t be a bad alternative over gholdengo here. I think you can try the air balloon destiny bond set for now.

Lando, really only has 2 real attacks outside of Tera blast, so taunt is probably fine for lu.

https://pokepast.es/6127c052b5e2a008 something like this

[gritty lake]

think i need at least one tera ghost for normal nite

[queen saddle]

Isn’t Ceru enough for Dnite?

[gritty lake]

i will still need smth for spin

[nocturne sable]

Ceru is fine for spin

I guess you can try Tera ghost on Lando or something

[amber terrace]

I really appreciate your advice, ive taken it into account and switched out gholdengo for scizor.

Also regarding your expert belt idea, Darkrai was used for many reasons, but also as a speed control that can outspeed and threaten kyurem. And at first i was just gonna use expert belt no questions asked after u told me that. BUTTTT, i just found this out, did you know that Life Orb Rai has 81.3% chance of 1HKO Kyurem where as Expert Belt only has 37.5%? Crazy right? Anyways thanks for the advice regarding items.

I have a question thoo, gholdengo was used mainly to check most poison types for Ogerpon, does scizor still fufill that roll well? And other than solid priority, what else does Scizor bring to the team?

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/3a65a2ba985585c9
Loses to Ival and scarf darkrai surely

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

av samu over sash samu

fits the style better

you dont lose to val you have spdef molt

you do lose to darkrai maybe

but av samu helps

• speed control and stuff

with specs pult

[nocturne sable]

Scizor is still a steel type so it can check the poisons. It also gives you extra priority and synergies well with spec raging bolt

Scizor helps chip mons like ting Lu which bolt can find annoying

Ebelt isn’t a necessary addition, it was just a suggestion, obviously LO is stronger but maybe the chip damage could have been a problem for longevity

[patent pilot]

Oger is fine on HO

Just make it wellspring and swordsdance

[patent pilot]

Doesnt scizor still not really like pecha tho

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/a59767482d34cacf
you can try a version with Tera ghost moth

[nocturne sable]

Scizor can knock pecha and pivot off it

And unboosted shadow ball isn’t doing much to scizor

+it’s a volt turn team so scizor feels more natural here than scarf Ghold

[tacit bluff]

Sorry got busy, glimmora isn't reliable hazard control

Since it's probably gonna die first thing

I think here I'd rather boots samurott here?

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/ad4367de93a2a46a

[nocturne sable]

Tbh glimmora is decent hazard control. It’s bulky enough to live hits and can snipe steel types with power gem+earth power

[tacit bluff]

I think it alone isn't enough especially when it's gonna be the lead

Hard to get it in throughout the course of a game

[queen saddle]

Gave tink knock and gk flame compared to dual twave

[tacit bluff]

I think it would be cool if you had like

One more hazard immune

[queen saddle]

Just a different version

[tacit bluff]

And then it's fine

[nocturne sable]

Usually glimm runs red card nowadays over focus sash. Glimm also has some defensive utility like resisting flying, fairy, fire, etc so it can come in a few times before dying

[nocturne sable]

Why is there a random Tinkaton here? Surely you want at least one more removal option for kyurem. So spdef invested treads over Tinkaton?

That could free up item slots and allow you to run rocky helmet Mandy & offensive item zama or something

Then maybe make kyurem sub 3 attacks with Tera steel flash cannon

[queen saddle]

Weavile and Kyurem check
But I see the vision

[nocturne sable]

Kyurem you have gking to deal with special kyurem.

Weavile is rough to deal with but since you have zama it means you’re not immediately 6/0ed by weavile. Chomp can Tera fire and Kyu can Tera steel in emergencies.

[queen saddle]

I’ll definitely consider Treads, the utility it gives in exchange for one matchup is strong
I just took the core I made with sp def Tres and Pech and changed it so I had hazard removal, and kept Tink for the same role
Also got some bias bc Tink is my fav behind Garchomp lol

[lost stag]

Alright, I'll give red card a try

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/aebecf3ee6ab4d05

Ideas for improvement?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Av slither wing outside of sun is buns

Low kick gambit always want Tera fighting

Your gambit MU isn’t even that bad in the first place with Mandi & slither so you don’t really need max speed jolly low kick here

Instead I would run Tera blast fairy here to break through those fighting types like tusk zama etc

Slither wing should just be its boots set with synthesis and will o wisp to deal with tusk woger zama etc

You have enough hazard removal so get greedy with the items. Make gweezing lefties/black sludge. Make Mandi rocket helmet potentially

Team feels slow but slither+gambit priority and pult should help

[chilly tundra]

Should I replace slither with something else?

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/2ab4d22763efd95f hmm i would test out a version with slither

[chilly tundra]

I feel we need more immediate power

[nocturne sable]

You have choiced pult

[stuck field]

could anyone help me make my team better?

https://pokepast.es/df7e4b1b9eecc2ea

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

tsareena is unviable unfortunately and you don't need double removal

you're also missing some evs on kingambit

tbh I think like

rillaboom

would make a pretty good fit here instead

heatran rilla have some nice synergy

and then aside from that this seems fine

[stuck field]

oh

i didnt know she was bad

:(

[tacit bluff]

yeah unfort

[gray karma]

I was thinking of same thing if he absolutely wants a grass type

[chilly tundra]

Great minds apparently think alike and I saw that I made a team basically the same as yours. This is kinda wild

https://pokepast.es/640ce40c82e08940

I made this last night and was scrolling through the channel and saw your team, realizing we basically made the same thing 😐

[plain olive]

This isn't exactly my team I got it before but I don't remember where any feedback for it? I struggle against darkrai and trick room teams so feedback for that would be appreciated!

https://pokepast.es/e985752983211724

[hardy crown]

https://pokepast.es/9ed94af4641c7a44
Maybe this is cool

[nocturne sable]

Usually we don’t rate teams you don’t make yourself. But I see a few flaws with the team.

-no stealth rock setter: I don’t know why glimmora is that set when it should be its regular stealth rock red card set.

Dragapults set is dogshit: should either be one of its choices sets, Life orb or boots hex.

What’s even the idea behind the team? Don’t get me wrong the team comp is fixable but I don’t see the synergy behind these sets ngl. They seem so random.

[nocturne sable]

Why is there a donphan on this team when you already have its big bro 😭

You need a real flying type on this team, so drop donphan for dnite

[plain olive]

its a modified version of one i found i modified it

the original had something else

but idk

[nocturne sable]

Well idk. The sets here are pretty off for me to properly determine what you’re actually aiming for

Where did the original come from

[plain olive]

smogon forums but it was a WHILE ago i dont remember anything

a friend js gave me a link

i got a team and modified it

i think

[plain olive]

glimmora was supposed to tank physical attackers and set up toxic debris

[nocturne sable]

Yea glimms primary role is setting hazard but your glimm for some reason doesn’t have stealth rock

[plain olive]

i usually just rely on toxic spikes

ik its weird

[nocturne sable]

Usually you want stealth rocks on almost every team because they are the most consistent form of hazard chip

[plain olive]

alright

[nocturne sable]

Anyways here’s an updated version of your team I made https://pokepast.es/a8bc9e0acc10ba0f

tera fight iron boulder would allow you to snipe gambit. Idk if you wanted to keep boulder or not but you can always replace it with another pivot like Mola for example if you’re not liking iron boulder.

[hardy crown]

Hm ok

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/f898fd1968ec1ac8 how can I make this not a kyurem food

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

your team is extremely slow

[nocturne sable]

^

[inner terrace]

you need fast mons like zama, val, moth, even rai or booster crown

general rule of thumb i keep in mind for BO/offense is 2 mons faster than 350 and 1 prio

usually you go much faster than 350 though

and also dont make them overlap roles like weav/rai, meow/weav, meow/rai

etc

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/9c9c14784e595412 is something like this better?

[nocturne sable]

You got the speed part but you’re still lacking important roles like a ground immune

And no Tspikes immunity

[jade cedar]

boots torn?

[nocturne sable]

Honestly I would just drop primarina it’s kinda weak here.

I would make it something like this https://pokepast.es/43d001a7ca544565

[jade cedar]

is sd rilla necessery?

[nocturne sable]

I mean Tera dark will help you with ghost like pult and ceru

And stronger knock offs

[hoary otter]

Hi! Could someone rate this team?

https://pokepast.es/2edc18307073e408

Sometimes I feel like dnite could be lefties bc of hatt

[nocturne sable]

You always want roar on zama over heavy slam especially Tera fire zam on structures like these. And you want more speed here to outspeed darkrai and speed tie opposing zamas.

You probably want tbolt on metal coat dengo to snipe waters like Mola spdef dozo and corv moltres.

I think you already have enough phazing so you can go for a greedy dragon dance dragonite set with Tera blast flying maybe? Covert cloak could be nice to avoid nuzzle , malignant chain and salt cure.

I think you need at least one rocky helmet user here, so I think hatt has to hold the rocky helmet here.

I’m not really a fan of the EVs on the pecha set here. I think you’re better off just running regular defensive Tera ghost.

On the team comp in general, looks pretty standard.

[hoary otter]

Ok, thanks!!! Really helpful 🙂

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/2d7e7470f18cf453

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[swift forum]

use roost on your skarmory. boots on ghold over balloon would probably be recommended, and you should have 244 hp evs on gliscor. other than that this team is very standard

but also this team does kinda struggle versus corv since it can uturn and you have to go ghold most of the time

and the team is kinda passive in general, the only immediate power is zama and it's not even that strong

[queen saddle]

no roost on skarm it’s joever

[queen saddle]

pretty sure balloon is fine as long as you don’t let it get popped so easily

since you dont want spikes damage

and you hardly care abt rocks

[queen saddle]

shouldn’t gliscor be rocks

nvm I lied

I was looking for rocks but didnt see it on Clef

mbmb

team looks standard but I recommend more spdef on Glis bc you heavily rely on gking and get wrecked by Ghold

but yea looks good

[tender oracle]

https://pokepast.es/fd50f4e9fb6bf8b9
hello is there any way for me to make my team more coherent or am i just bad

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

This is literally an old sun sample team

https://pokepast.es/796bf2bd36e89d42 right here bro

[tender oracle]

no way wtf

i made it with my friends but stole most of the kits off smogon lol

[knotty sundial]

no you see it's different cause ceru hatt and venusaur are shiny

[tender oracle]

yes

and the names are different

honestly kinda creepy

[nocturne sable]

Yk what you can do, you can change the venusaur set to eq growth giga weather ball

Eq venu is very good into stall

[tender oracle]

earthquake right

[nocturne sable]

But you have specs wake on the sample already so probably not necessary

But it’s something you can try yea

[tender oracle]

i have trouble with sandstorm teams

stall teams arent too difficult to deal with

mostly

[nocturne sable]

Specs wake should blow up Ttar

[tender oracle]

yeahits probs just a skill diff

is there a way to look through a bunch of teams and stuff

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/ec7b94984f70b6ba

[quartz lark]

Samu-Stack
https://pokepast.es/b73c45c3f1740185

[jade cedar]

is ful hp/spa volc a thing?

[queen saddle]

Amoonguss is a deep momentum sink for this team

and you lack speed control

I dont see why Volc is used here tbh

I say just turn Amoon into Pech and make this a bulky offense

and I was thinking of either making Ghold scarf or using another mon over Volc, the second option mainly

Also I dont think this Tusk set is needed
I think just 3a spin tusk is good

Other than that seems fine
Think Volc could be Za or Pult but also not too sure

Well it does struggle into kyurem

Namely subtect but specs too

[wraith jay]

https://pokepast.es/80455bad365333c6

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wraith jay]

notes and info at https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-cat-cafe.3779272/

[elder knoll]

I mean 4/6 guys here aren’t very good

Lando/meow is prob workable tho

you might be able to get 3/6 workable guys if you went bolt over like Raikou you can call it ancient cat or smthing

Hatt over Espeon can be like a Hat for a cat or smthing

4/6 workable then

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @patent pilot, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9vgc team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059704283072831499 instead.

[patent pilot]

https://pokepast.es/757bd6b64e27f1ac

Ok wrong paste

[final relic]

opposing zama has a crazy mu into this

mandibuzz is kinda awkward here tbh

it doesnt actually remove on like ghold or even pech

[patent pilot]

So i could go like

Geezing?

[final relic]

banded rilla is kinda weak i think you’d rather have sd

[patent pilot]

Im mostly band for the immediate power

• prio

[nocturne sable]

Banded rilla without proper breaking support is kinda less efficient for immediate power

You can’t be using that as your sole immediate power

[patent pilot]

Is zama + doom desire not enough in that department?

[final relic]

boots zama not very powerful

on grassy people usually run life orb since the terrain offsets recoil

[nocturne sable]

Probably not. Doom desire is very much worst than future sight.

And like potato said boots zam is not immediate power

[final relic]

this team kinda feels like its trying to do 2 different things

[plain radish]

https://pokepast.es/b7c422163c40c26f

chat this team might be a lil doodoo, may I know what to improve with this team

[elder knoll]

is this supposed to be HO?

[plain radish]

whats that

[elder knoll]

hyper offense

[plain radish]

hazard offensive? yes

nvm

yeah it is

[elder knoll]

is Blazeiken who you're building around?

[plain radish]

yes

[elder knoll]

you might have more luck building screens HO

the idea behind it is to setup light clay/reflect and have a bunch of setup sweepers behind them

screens in particular are helpful for Blaziken cause it's really frail so it can have a hard time to get going

you can keep a lot of the same guys if you switch over
you'd just have to switch over from sash Samu to a deoxys speed and edit from there

[plain radish]

ohh I see

can deoxys speed set up screens

[elder knoll]

yeah

[plain radish]

aightt

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/54e5bfb55bb49efd

[plain radish]

aight man thank you

[quartz lark]

Doing one of those things again where I mitigate weaknesses as much as possible by using useful dual typings, which also fit in the team's system. This time I started with a singular mon that is great for the mons that power creep the gen 9 metagame the most (gambit, wake, wellspring, etc etc). That being setting up hazards while also not not doing anything since it damages and sets hazards with ceaseless edge. Following the aforementioned logic, the rest of the team represents my ideals for this structure. Meaning I avoided doubling up on typings whenever possible to avoid triple/double weaknesses. This being a hazard stack aswell made the building even more restrictive. Also the set for great tusk is the standard booster set used, which works perfectly since tusk has no responsibilities other than to remove hazards. I don't see a world where I ever use max speed volc, that's some shit. Don't really need that much speed on my comp since tusk doesnt have hazard setting duties and I have another volt turn absorber in gliscor.

Idrc about amoongus not pivoting since this structure isnt offense and it plays slow anyways. The dual typing of grass and poison to be resistant to water, grass, and fairy is very good.

[queen saddle]

dear god that’s a lot of writing I (respectfully) do not want to read

[queen saddle]

I mean u have a water immunity and a fairy resist in Volc
And if u added pech there’s a grass and fairy resist in that

doing the same stuff but better

you don’t need parting shot if the point isn’t to pivot ig

just use toxic or foul play

[quartz lark]

Volc wasnt added for fairy resist

Adding pech doubles up on ghost and gives two rapid spin blockers which arent needed

Also why run pech if no parting shot thats some shit

[queen saddle]

me when great tusk

[quartz lark]

Me when theres no other removal

wdym

[queen saddle]

you said yourself if you dont wanna pivot

I would personally never do that

Im just saying Pech does Amoonguss shit but better lwk

including checking Woger

well

it doesnt do that better

[quartz lark]

not really

[queen saddle]

but it still checks it

[quartz lark]

dont need it

[queen saddle]

also Tusk can mess up your team ngl

[quartz lark]

amoon has regen clear smog bulky grass resistant to fairy

[queen saddle]

Ig that’s the better prt of Amoon

[quartz lark]

tusk not doing shit

[queen saddle]

I’mma do calcs rq

[quartz lark]

its 1 tusk versus 1 amoon

its also not swapping in on anything unless it catches gliscor on stealth rock

idrc how much ice spinner does i have synthesis and regen

it would also need to be ice spinner

which some tusk arent

[queen saddle]

js dont let amoongus get chipped or glis

[quartz lark]

and if it is not idc if it catches gliscor

amoon has hdb

gliscor is here

i also have max hazards possibility

and knock on samu

[queen saddle]

booster a tusk is rough

[quartz lark]

opposing?

[queen saddle]

2hko amoon ohko glis

yea

[quartz lark]

dc

its not boots

[queen saddle]

I mean

if its on sun

and you face hatt

[quartz lark]

if i face sun idc about tusk

i care about wake

[queen saddle]

then again samu goes thru hatt

forgot

actually how do you beat AV rott after it knocks Amoonguss

[quartz lark]

regen

synthesis

idc about rott

toxic

[queen saddle]

then

what do you care

abt

[quartz lark]

nothing

[queen saddle]

Kyurem is still hard into the team

no

?

[quartz lark]

i deal with it in the battle idc about petty hypotheticals

[queen saddle]

sub tect mainly

[queen saddle]

then what’s the point of asking

ppl to rate ur team

sub tect kyurem is popular in high ladder

all it has to do is just again

click sub

freeze dry earth power hits your entire team

and specs kyurem is imo easier due to prediction games but not easy

[quartz lark]

you dont need petty hypotheticals to rate whatever can be dealt with in the battle doesnt need to be addressed in the builder. you dont build to counter everything, you build for function. In the battle I'll deal with stuff that is weaker in a builder-sense

[queen saddle]

freeze dry hits 4/6 of your teammates for super effective damage

and the other 2 is earth powered

this isnt petty

[quartz lark]

specs kyurem sub tect kyurem is overused bullshit ammunition

[queen saddle]

this is a genuine threat

[quartz lark]

in the builder

[queen saddle]

There is a literal reason as to why kyurem is ou

it struggles to be checked

and again snipes a lot of teams

including yours

Yes you build for function but how is your team functioning against kyurem if they dont throw it away

the rest of my points I made, being Tusk and Samu, I get

but Kyurem dude genuinely

It’s not petty it’s genuine

[quartz lark]

Theres Gholdengo, Great Tusk, Samurott

[queen saddle]

Of which none outspeed, and with good hazard control on the opponent it’s hard to beat

Tusk and Kyurem tg is bad for your team dude

[quartz lark]

Im hazard stack

[low phoenix]

If you ask a lot of top players they will say Kyurem is fine you just have to play around it

[quartz lark]

mhm

[low phoenix]

Same as zamazenta kingambit ogerpon wellspring dnite other “bs” mons

[queen saddle]

in which your team struggles to do
Ghold is your only win con imo

[quartz lark]

mhm hm

nah

[low phoenix]

Centralization is inevitable in a power crept meta like gen9

[quartz lark]

theres a whole list of stuff power creeping this meta game some more annoying than kyurem

[queen saddle]

and I’m still pointing out Kyurem to your team

[quartz lark]

• Wellspring
• Kingambit
• Walking Wake

etc etc

[low phoenix]

Tinkaton iron crown gking sp def Corv Scizor are pretty good checks

[queen saddle]

Wellspring is checked by Amoonguss, Gambit you can play around, and same with Wake

[quartz lark]

Wake?

[low phoenix]

Amoongus is only used in stall

[queen saddle]

Walking Wake

[low phoenix]

It’s a liability in any other teamstyles

[queen saddle]

That’s what I was trying to say earlier but he said his team played on

a slower pace

so I js ignored it

and Im trying to tell him his glaring weakness to Kyurem

I’ll send it back down here rq bc Im tired of scrolling

[quartz lark]

Amoon being here is an anomaly yes. It's just the only grass poison I could use.

[queen saddle]

Samu-Stack
https://pokepast.es/b73c45c3f1740185

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

mb for the ping

[quartz lark]

You can just forward

Also read what I said in the initial response it will clear up a lot of confusion

You ignored it

Then rate through that lens

[queen saddle]

I feel like if your fear is stacking ghosts with Pech it’s not that bad

because you can pretty much soak knock with Glis

and gambito is handled by well

Tusk

[quartz lark]

I have nothing to recieve if you don't read my response containing my reasoning

[queen saddle]

stacking typing

I get it

[quartz lark]

its more than that

oing one of those things again where I mitigate weaknesses as much as possible by using useful dual typings, which also fit in the team's system. This time I started with a singular mon that is great for the mons that power creep the gen 9 metagame the most (gambit, wake, wellspring, etc etc). That being setting up hazards while also not not doing anything since it damages and sets hazards with ceaseless edge. Following the aforementioned logic, the rest of the team represents my ideals for this structure. Meaning I avoided doubling up on typings whenever possible to avoid triple/double weaknesses. This being a hazard stack aswell made the building even more restrictive. Also the set for great tusk is the standard booster set used, which works perfectly since tusk has no responsibilities other than to remove hazards. I don't see a world where I ever use max speed volc, that's some shit. Don't really need that much speed on my comp since tusk doesnt have hazard setting duties and I have another volt turn absorber in gliscor.

[queen saddle]

If your tusk has no responsibility but removing hazards is boots not better in this case

[quartz lark]

no

[queen saddle]

so you can swap to other well

hazards

and why is that?

[quartz lark]

it can easily be booster

[low phoenix]

Try this

[queen saddle]

Actually that is a lot better

[quartz lark]

ill try it see how it goes

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/8ae4b9492eaa8bbc

[quartz lark]

Going with this:

https://pokepast.es/4b82c899fb4edddb

[nocturne sable]

Classic @wooden linden style team

[quartz lark]

lol fr

[nocturne sable]

Av hamu hydrapple support volcanion

[old sky]

https://pokepast.es/4dcfd0dbbfb9ba4f

Can someone help me improve this team?

[queen saddle]

why cant you?

[old sky]

My friend won’t let me use them

[nocturne sable]

!arbitraryrulesets

[regal ginkgo]

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[old sky]

Oh my bad

Sorry

[dark slate]

Hey here is a good team based on 3 Pokemons : H Goodra, Cosmic Power Light beam Clefable and Choice Dragapult

https://pokepast.es/fa8e87b3eecf82d9

This team have no problem but, it is really complicate to beat stall with this team

[patent pilot]

Mirror coat doesnt really work if you arent av alo

[dark slate]

it does punish cold from non electric user and low spec elec or Slowking galar and more so yes mirror coat is usefull on alomomola

[nocturne sable]

???? Non av mola can use mirror coat

[old sky]

Btw quick question. I’m not asking for it to be rated rn I’m just wondering if this is still going to be rated since I technically didn’t follow the rules (sorry).

[sudden geyser]

https://pokepast.es/16782396ac46fe87 is this team good or do i need to scap it

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/b536f3ec951dce5e trying to make a Ttar sand team.

My biggest issue is the speed control here, but I'm not sure who to replace on this team to give me speed control

[wooden linden]

Looks neat. Would prob just go Max atk max speed on tusk

Kyu also looks pretty rough here.
https://pokepast.es/47e304b09cea915e
Could see this working

Put rocks back on tusk and gave it boots back since it would be needed for hazard control more frequently. Hydrapple gets helmet back to mess with wellspring harder. Added av tornt over gliscor since its a neat blanket check that lets samu not be overwhelmed

Also can take a hit from kyu after it knocks smth off to let ghold not get worn down quickly

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/4776f7ab9eee9feb
https://pokepast.es/907a4162ce8f1a63
which one is better

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

I’ve seen way too many spdef alos that arent av but run mirror coat

those are some of the most annoying sets but also valid set

[queen saddle]

this is a very defensive sand team for something that struggles to remove hazards vs ghold

Can’t you do something like

AV Tornt and Excadrill

Over Corvi and Lu

nd replace Alo for Garg so you can use that tanky beast under sand

with rocks

could try air balloon pech with that but overall feels better with those changes, defensive sand is kinda iffy unless built around well

[quartz lark]

Just use ghold over pech, drill over corv, oger over mola and its workable

Try this https://pokepast.es/2c18e2c7e7857937

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/60c6d82b391a0738

@nocturne sable

[quartz lark]

dont ping the raters, only the bot does that

unless its urgent

[gritty lake]

i will ping the raters thank you

[nocturne sable]

Seems fairly standard. Though I think you want double ghost on structures like these. Maybe Pecharunt over woger here. Also gives you Tspikes absorption which could’ve been pretty annoying for you.

Make pech like a defensive Tera ghost set and make dnite Tera fly with roost.

[plush jacinth]

Any changes for this Incineroar bulky offence team. https://pokepast.es/18429dde787461d3

[nocturne sable]

This team is way too slow man

This team gets fried by basically any strong attacker in the tier

And no immediate power either

[quartz lark]

dont blame me when they yell at you

[frozen spoke]

Will try this. I really like Clef and Ogerpon being here so it looks like a fun team!

Thank you I appreciate you!

However, wouldn’t moonlight be hindered here? Or is that the reason why Ttar isn’t running smooth rock.

[gritty lake]

not the moonlight clef in sand

[quartz lark]

sand is 4 turns and no rock is being used so its fine

also clef has no other recovery so who cares

it got sacked this gen losing soft boiled

[frozen spoke]

True lol

I miss you soft boiled :(

I guess it always has wish protect if someone’s really desperate for high heals, but wish protect clef isn’t that amazing.

[quartz lark]

magic guard life orb is good

[frozen spoke]

I love magic guard life orb

[quartz lark]

wallmart alakazam

[frozen spoke]

True lol

Something about getting the benefits of LO without the drawbacks feels so empowering 🔥

[quartz lark]

besides when i face sun its actually pretty good

[gritty lake]

im sure clefable is very good vs sun

[quartz lark]

yes

[gritty lake]

^didnt yell at me btw

[limber spear]

cuz quaqrash is goated

🤔

[gritty lake]

truth nuke

[quartz lark]

everyone is nice until they get pushed

dont push ur luck

dont take advantage of their patience

their not robots

simply wait this channel isnt as busy as a coffee shop

[quartz lark]

just because they didn't reprimand you doesn't mean they're not irritated that you pinged them that is an intangible you cannot see

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/16e0ddb24e65a0d1
I believe I sent this team before or something similar, but I did want to ask
I had a problem with Heatran, and it was because my sp def pivot was too fast and so my mon I pivoted into after clicking uturn would take the hit, and after they figured out I’m roar they js click taunt
So I made Molt slower, since dark pech and tusk handle Gambit really nicely
Wondering if this is a viable change or if I should do smth different

also might be some errors bc Im sending this on phone while my team is on pc

[azure mauve]

Can anyone help me find a final pokemon for my team Idk what im missing

https://pokepast.es/1eaeaedae4a92557

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

so like 1 we only rate complete teams

and 2 only like 3 mons are viable

maybe fez is

but not this set at all

I recommend using a sample team to learn more of the meta

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Pokemon Showdown! room
• Discord
• Metagame discussion thread
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Viability rankings
• Sample teams

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[azure mauve]

Alr ty

[queen saddle]

yw

[median fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/386ac4a70c555844 pls rate also i wanna replace iron valiant

[jade cedar]

;-;

[patent pilot]

https://pokepast.es/f15b7a5722b31b51

[elder knoll]

you are magic guard boots and have two rock setters

[patent pilot]

On my life gliscor was spikes

[willow shell]

i just started, and i figured i could get some advice/tips on what i could change
https://pokepast.es/0782cdfb21c74e1a

[queen saddle]

me when I lie

[gaunt forum]

https://pokepast.es/0abb91823380e46f

new BO team i made

[final relic]

youll wanna just be booster moth here

ironpress za is probably best on this team

orb is only good for extra breaking power but you have an ogerpon already

you can run regular roar tera fire here to help the offense mirror

probably want tera stellar+blast?

im not sure what this prim spread and set does for you

you got liquid voice psynoise and a regular water move

try something like this

Primarina @ Assault Vest
Ability: Liquid Voice
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 80 HP / 252 SpA / 176 Spe
Modest Nature

• Moonblast
• Psychic Noise
• Flip Turn
• Aqua Jet / Whirlpool

jet for picking off 1hp opposing moth/ceru/etc

[elder knoll]

Looks like the SZ spread

iirc it’s for modest wake

Celestine (Primarina) (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Liquid Voice
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 208 SpA / 52 SpD
Modest Nature

• Psychic Noise
• Whirlpool
• Moonblast
• Flip Turn

[final relic]

yh you dont want double water move something like this works though

[queen saddle]

^

[nocturne sable]

Having double ghost with zero ghost resist is a recipe for distaster. Opposing pult is farming teams like this.

https://pokepast.es/a48a1f326d408f9d

you kinda want ting Lu on structures like this. You can just convert this to Bootspams to help with the hazard situation. You already have Tspikes absorption+3 boots and an air balloon so you should be fine. Tera stellar zama+woger will help you break

[gaunt forum]

i meant for it to be torrent not liquid voice

was doing tera dark for ghost resist. will try iron defense body press version but is there a different held item i can run im not a huge fan of doubling up held items. or maybe i can move leftovers to zamazenta and boots to treads?

[final relic]

it’s fine having several of the same item

but yeah boots treads since its the only remover would work

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gaunt forum]

you like this better

https://pokepast.es/c7f067435850b94e

[inner terrace]

what the fuck did this ping for

oh

[gaunt forum]

i deleted the link because i posted wrong version mb

[inner terrace]

nah its fine

just got very confused

use booster treads

and then test it on ladder

[sudden geyser]

https://pokepast.es/16782396ac46fe87 are there any big weaknesses in this list i am quite new so I don’t have really far reaching knowledge

[median fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/386ac4a70c555844 can sum1 rate this

[swift forum]

looks very similar to pinkacross team in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgFppyoeTPM

anyways the team is kinda too weak to raging bolt

actually in general the team is too weak to dragons

just gambit as the resist which you want to save

[nocturne sable]

Fairy types like enamorus, iron valiant, Kingambit

[sudden geyser]

Yes the defensive core is the same put I want it to be able to break stall

[nocturne sable]

Can’t be stacking dragons with no fairy resist

Dragalge is kinda a copium woger check but half understandable

Most of the time there are literally better poisons like pecharunt

[sudden geyser]

Yeah but i like the Pokémon but you right

[swift forum]

i think honestly just use the original team

with future sight crown it does break stall

and crown gives you the fairy resist

[sudden geyser]

If I were to use pecharunt the team would be good

[quartz lark]

(2) Samu-Stack
https://pokepast.es/535d465fbca35e8b

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/4d6c657b45475a2a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

So no disrespect ofc but what are some of these sets

scarf Kyurem isn’t unheard of, really at all, but it never uses well

THIS

and I doubt Corviknight fits here at all really

you’re defogging your hazards away

when you already have tusk

[limber spear]

isnt that ceru set a bit wierd and evs for apple (i think u need 248 hp or smth to max regen heal

also hamu evs cuz u need 84 to kill dengo post spikes with ceas/knock

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/76abef1f5b881443
I took off Hydrapple for Rillaboom, as a win con that abuses hazards really nicely and has great boosted priority
Moltres and Pecharunt over Ceru and Corvi because Corvi is just way too passive for this team and messes up your tempo, and your team isn’t bulky enough to reset hazards many times after you defog yours away, and Moltres helps versus Kyurem while still giving a reliable ground immunity, and Pecharunt for spin blocking
I wasnt too sure what was best for the last slot, and I also don’t feel great about this so perhaps another rater is better, but I slotted in ghold for another hazard blocker and speed control, plus a steel

If I’m being honest I think the first 3-4 mons here are right, but the last 2 can be pivoted around more
Maybe a Gholdengo with no pech and Pech replaced with something else

I’ll have another rater think on it, but those are my thoughts

[queen saddle]

oh yeah speaking of please use standard Samu Av set

not these evs

ghold can be trick plot over fblast btw

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/d8ddc6d3981ebb5d
Cb dnite scarf ghold ho that just reached 1900. Go nuts team raters

[quartz lark]

A trio of the last iteration was put in a different build. Corviknight is pretty obvious, Kyurem, and it's very easy to use defog on corv. I also am not forced to defog since its not my only hazard removal. Rillaboom for Hydrapple is hot ass, why would I put that when I use Ice spinner tera ice on tusk, are you senile? I'm not doing no moltres and pech over ceru and corvi the whole appeal of ceru on balance is the double immunity, which doesnt need swords dance so I just put will o wisp as it can get away with those two immunities. Scarf Kyurem was the best option that made sense since the others are kind of ass in this build.

Why the hell do I need pech if my spin blocker is just ceru

I don't really recognize you as a rater ngl

[quartz lark]

As for the hydapple, 232 hp is for optimal regen recovery with no decimals and ceru on balance requires flash fire over weak armor

[queen saddle]

Tusk using ice spinner with gterrain is literally normal

why are you disrespecting me for no reason

Also Rillaboom just sets it back up for free and the rest of your team doesnt require gterrain

like

at all

It’s just good for Rillaboom

nd Corvi I get you don’t have to defog but you’re wasting a moveslot and losing so much momentum over one mon

Your spin blocker being Ceru but it not being ho doesn’t make sense either

This Ceru set is

bulky? Idek

But it’s just mainly offensive with no sash, feels very counterable especially since Ceru doesn’t have sd either

You always have had a problem with me for me calling out your “optimal” ev things

So
idc if you recognize me or not as a rater

js here to help

and if you dont wanna take my advice, kay then

Also I saw quaqrash typing so I’ll assume he can handle your team, do be more respectful instead of getting angry about certain matchups or mon pivots

[nocturne sable]

Great tusk seems like hell for this team, especially with the lack of moonblast from Val, so does Zapdos. you basically have to trick with Ghold and pray it doesn’t static fish you or you’re cooked. Moltres you at least have Tera fire zama, but I’m thinking just run roar zama. I was also thinking mixed surf hamu to trade with tusk better but maybe you wanna keep some of the defences idk.

[wooden linden]

Tusk idr being that big of an issue

Treads usually baits tusk in to hit with steel beam and worse case scenario zama just sits on it

Zapdos was rough though yeah

Perhaps tera elec val

[nocturne sable]

I think usually zama runs heavy slam with Tera electric

Electric Val can also work yea

[wooden linden]

Maybe i could go 4a enam over val

Like superpower ep moonblast filler

[nocturne sable]

I can see that working. That would trade into Zapdos way better than physical Val.

And speed should be fine since you have banded espeed zam treads and scarf Ghold

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/88dcc9c3f54d7f8a

[nocturne sable]

Yea this seems more solid.

Other birds should be screwed by trick Ghold

Or be heavily chipped by other teammates

[quartz lark]

tusk with ice spinner and gterrain should be avoided whenever possible since its clunky. My constant issue with you is failing to see my vision.

[queen saddle]

I don’t really get your vision
Ever

at that point

it’s just the way you play is way different to mine ig

Cause idk wyd and you dk what I do

[nocturne sable]

Okay looking at this team Y has some points.

This semi-utility Ceruledge set is wack. Although i can kinda see the vision with will o wisp sniping switch ins like Ttar Hamu etc, it’s not what the team needs. You’re better off with pecharunt on these types of builds because 1, it offers Tspikes absorption( your team lacks this which is kinda bad especially with non boots hydrapple, AV hamu and Kyurem all on one team). 2 it provides real defensive utility unlike Ceruledge. 3. It’s a more solid spin blocker all around.

Corv set is trash and defog is anti synergy with Hstack. I would just drop it for something like spdef moltres which will make your MU into kyurem better.

Since we adding pech hydrapples is kinda useless, you need an additional knocker to hamu and a steel type that can block mortal spin. Air balloon mold breaker Tinkaton can work here as a stealth rock setter, freeing tusk to run knock off to lure in checks like Zapdos & moltres and remove their boots.

Lastly, kyurem set is garbage, Tera steel only works with sub flash cannon sets. Scarf kyurem would rather just run stab Tera to fire off stronger ice beams and freeze drys since it lacks the power of regular specs kyurem. You can run modest scarf kyurem here since you still outspeed pult and scarf Ghold.

https://pokepast.es/d07bcaff3c0de0da

And for future references, don’t be a dickhead for no reason, especially when people are trying to help you.

[cedar rose]

I can only use these pokemon for a single battle for a fight with friends any tips on what i should change https://pokepast.es/e42816622f6eb70b

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chilly tundra]

Anyone know good mons to pair with Choice Band Meowscarada?

[quartz lark]

With moltres over corv, rather go with this: https://pokepast.es/7cfdecb50f764f86

My issue with pech is I have to tera for tusk after baloon pops. For ceru will o wisp was put over swords dance since swords dance with flash fire is weird. Ceru is just for double immunity and priority but with wisp over sd since sd is wasted on weak armor-less ceru.

I dont mind friendly discourse. Just speaking truth with bluntness.

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/5bf5dc3e81a0b3fb

[nocturne sable]

You still have moltres which can switch in and punish non rock move tusk. And it’s not like teraing pech is the end of the world it’s a valid Tera.

Btw flash fire ceru can still use set up , but it’s usually in the form of bulk up rather than swords dance yea.

And the team you sent kinda just loses to glimmora stack

[nocturne sable]

There’s recently been a team made by JackRG that peaked #5 on the ladder which included a banded meow centered team. It utilizes healing wish enam incase meow gets crippled by birds like molt and zap. And then a usual Hstack balance core.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/choice-band-meowscarada-bulky-offense-peaked-1991-86-gxe.3778637/

[nocturne sable]

scarf meow is probably better on this build than band ngl

Or meow would rather be kingambit kinda

[chilly tundra]

I wanted to build a team kinda around CB meow

[chilly tundra]

I just saw this team being played by Pokeaimmd

Very impressive showings

Especially with the AV slowking

[chilly tundra]

Is there any ways to fix this team to make it around CB Meow more effectively?

[queen saddle]

Meow loves balance

That’s what I can say really

It loves spamming knock off into literally everything

and flower trick for dozo

It’s a good answer into stall, ignoring the corvi lol

[chilly tundra]

So is a boots set on Hstack better?

Or is CB meow still applicable for balance?

[queen saddle]

usually
but cb meow is used here and there

as long as it has good hazard support

like defog from gweezing and spin from tusk

yk

the usual

[chilly tundra]

That actually seems good

I’ll try some stuff in the builder

[queen saddle]

Alrighty

hf twinnie binnie

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/2e8afb6f4f6f5e4a

[cedar rose]

can I get some advice on what i should change on my pokemon to make this team better https://pokepast.es/83edce6f1aa964bb

[chilly tundra]

Is this draft?

[quartz lark]

For glim stack I’ll just go with okidogi over kyurem: https://pokepast.es/7a2f433f9a438543

[chilly tundra]

😐

Okidogi is unfortunately not viable. Kyurem is a decent scarfer for this

[inner terrace]

weavile over dogi

[cedar rose]

Me and my friends are doing a tournament and this is the Pokémon I got for my team and I wanted to know if there was a better way to optimize my team

[queen saddle]

why t ice doki

[queen saddle]

why did this make me laugh

[queen saddle]

also not half bad, I do actually see a weakness to trick room though which while not common, js smth I saw
Rain looks hard if you dont use G weezing right either

like you need to be careful with Barras just clicking liquid

[quartz lark]

not pulling it out of my ass trust me. I tested scarf doge before it was good

[queen saddle]

bc cc can also ko Kyurem but yeah

[chilly tundra]

Just play a different scarfer

Scarf meow is better

[quartz lark]

Has to be poison

Cuz of glim stack

[queen saddle]

Cant you do Pech over Hydrapple

[chilly tundra]

He definitely could

[queen saddle]

Yeah

I think you prefer to pivot out anyways

not try to win with apple

also hp evs on tusk???

You’re losing against nearly every tusk this way

[quartz lark]

ive done this a million times pretty self explanatory atp

[queen saddle]

Dude

Tusk is the most used mon

in the tier

do you want your

[quartz lark]

uh huh

[chilly tundra]

Y’all know how to make a specs IVAL team?

[queen saddle]

“unique”

tusk to just lose a 1v1

everytime?

[quartz lark]

ice spinner doesnt do a lot and it’s contact

[queen saddle]

base 300 speed tier is important BECAUSE of tusk

[queen saddle]

me when other tusks run helmet

but seriously, just run max speed, you run hp evs on too many mons for no reason

[queen saddle]

I used specs Val a few times in sand

[quartz lark]

pretty much only putting the evs cuz i want helmet on tusk if it was boots it would just be standard

[queen saddle]

It helps Excadrill a good bit

[queen saddle]

again, do you have any specific calcs that help you in this case?

[quartz lark]

pretty much just outspeeding scarf rai after two rapids

[chilly tundra]

Is sand good rn?

I heard it was actually a decent option but what’s your verdict?

[queen saddle]

Sand is probably my favorite weather

competes with sun though

it’s still good but Tusk + Woger is scary

it’s not an easy play style basically but it’s good

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/cd766f8c3e9e007f SD Iron Valiant bulky offense

[queen saddle]

Corvi being your only hazard remover isn’t too great, since it’s inconsistent into ghold and because of that
I don’t think you can justifiably run non boots Za and specs Kyurem, although you have a good answer to tspike

also Valiant tends to run spirit break cc or knock cc, I think you always keep cc

[frozen spoke]

Alrighty!

Would Darkrai be better over Kyurem here?

Or should I try replacing Zama with secondary hazard removal

[queen saddle]

You’re very fairy weak is the problem

I think over Lu you run Iron Treads

And then over Corvi a spdef Moltres

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/d67d86ddde0600f5

[frozen spoke]

Oh sweet spdef Moltres is a mon I’ve wanted to experiment with

So I’ll go spdef treads and then spdef moltres

[queen saddle]

Yeah that should work

[frozen spoke]

And I’ll prolly run tera water on treads for wake

[queen saddle]

Yeah that’s a good idea, nice team

[frozen spoke]

Thank you I appreciate you!

Thanks for helping out! Treads + Moltres feels a lot better here.

[queen saddle]

seems like your average sand team, imo valiant set should be tweaked and I think you change Alo for smth less defensive

Woger even

[queen saddle]

Not a problem!

[chilly tundra]

Alo is really good on sand though?

I feel like I need a decent defensive backbone

[queen saddle]

It is but it gives sd woger way too much setup and if it has play rough

not only do you lose momentum from alo

Your hydrapple isnt checking it

That’s really the only struggle, Ogerpon

and why I never refer to using it

Although since you run tickle Alo, it actually might be manageable

Me personally I’d run smth else, but since it’s tickle, Woger isn’t as bad as I might’ve thought

problem is spikes woger too

also rock slide Drill is probably the way to go here, you wanna snipe Moltres and Zap here

[nocturne sable]

Okay so I have to disagree with this, Okidogi is viable in the tier, even scarf Okidogi

[queen saddle]

along with potentially beating corvi

if you’re lucky of course and it’s chipped

[chilly tundra]

Ok, thanks for tips

[queen saddle]

I do think you could run trick on valiant

pissing off pivots with specs is very nice

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/71e9553496c81f7f

[quartz lark]

if you’re running val on sand booster makes more sense for the sun mu

[swift forum]

nah here specs is better

because you need some actual strong special attacker

honestly this is a pretty solid sand team

it's just that sand as an archetype has a few weaknesses

[quartz lark]

val does that naturally with cm

[swift forum]

cm takes a turn

[quartz lark]

specs val on sand is weird

[swift forum]

it's not weird

im pretty sure storm zone uses it

[quartz lark]

what is dealing with wake

[swift forum]

torn

and you can't keep sun up vs this team

[quartz lark]

What is threatening wake

drill?

[swift forum]

ival

[quartz lark]

ival isnt faster

[swift forum]

yes it is?

[quartz lark]

in sun

[swift forum]

it won't have speed boost if you set sand

[quartz lark]

if sand is up wake isnt coming out

[swift forum]

yeah so it's not a problem

you can keep sand up

just alo pivot

[quartz lark]

False sense of security

[swift forum]

plus you have hydra if you really need to tank a hydro steam

[quartz lark]

50 50s

[swift forum]

and torn can probably take 2 specs dragon pulse and knock

the walking wake mu isn't that unwinnable

[quartz lark]

its pretty bad

[swift forum]

also ttar takes like 40 if it switches in

and you can wish it up

[quartz lark]

prob

[swift forum]

anyways the thing about sand is that on paper it can deal with a lot of stuff

[quartz lark]

sand is good

[swift forum]

but in practice after stuff starts getting chipped it kinda falls apart

you have to play accurately

and also sand struggles with removal a lot of the time

[quartz lark]

sand is restrictive but its not fragile

[swift forum]

typically sand can only fit exca as the spinner

[quartz lark]

which is fine

does what tusk does

[swift forum]

it's fine most of the time

but hstack loves using bulky ghosts

so that mu is a bit rough

[quartz lark]

Pech and ghold are both weak to eq

[swift forum]

tera ghost pech exists, sinistcha exists, tera ghost alo exists

[quartz lark]

has to tera

cant tera on anything else

Good trade off

[swift forum]

as i was going to say woger is a bit of a problem if it's knock+uturn because with hazards hydrapple isn't the sturdiest check

[quartz lark]

knock turn woger is an anomaly its knock or turn never both

[swift forum]

that is literally not true

[quartz lark]

knock/turn cudjgel power whip synthesis for utility woger

[swift forum]

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• U-turn
• Knock Off
• Spikes

import set

[quartz lark]

No power whip

so alo is fine

[swift forum]

you can run whip over spikes if you really want

and alo isn't doing anything except letting spike go up

[quartz lark]

no synthesis so its getting worn

alo is tickle

[swift forum]

so what

it gets knocked

coming in on spike

[quartz lark]

its regen

[swift forum]

yeah it cancels out regen

then you go to something that can force alo out

[queen saddle]

not at all lmfao

[quartz lark]

not by that much with one spike

[swift forum]

yeah if you only get 1 spike?

[queen saddle]

Also can you guys take this to general

if you are not actively rating a team go to general please

[quartz lark]

im good

our discussion pertains to a team

[swift forum]

nah im leaving it off at this

this team is good

just a bit weak to kyurem woger and hazard stack

which sand is kinda weak to in general