SV OU Rates

[flat jackal]

Nice

So should i swap zapdos for lorb rai and tusk for garg?

Or tread for garg? I might die to fairy

[north nimbus]

?

[solar sundial]

Helping this person

[solar sundial]

You have gking

[flat jackal]

Aight

[north nimbus]

Uhhh

Team definitely needs speed control and a sturdier mu dengo

[flat jackal]

Yeah i might use tread

[north nimbus]

I honestly think you do zama > zapdos and ting Lu > garb

[icy ravine]

https://pokepast.es/58df72d17dcc00e0

guys hear me out

chesnaught

kinda does work

it does super well into gambit

rlly well into lando t

and ogrepon

and you could also run a leech seed or like bulk up

but I personally like this setr

its able to come in on a lot of big physical hits

takes abt 35-45% from gambit sucker at plus 2 5 defeated

[unkempt bramble]

https://pokepast.es/84d7bb99681c8fa6

[icy ravine]

does really well into dragonite too atleast the non tera fly versions

[unkempt bramble]

Hey all, i wanted to try making a webs offense team

So far its done p ok up to 1500 ish ladder, but it gets screwed over by moves missing

i was wondering if maybe there's smth else i can change? i rlly wanted to use azu and h goodra so i thought webs is a p obvious choice, but so far there are still mons that outspeed them, though i also dont know if changing them to a more speedy set is better since, especially for azu, the av bulk is rlly helpful to trade against smth like glowking's sludge bomb and other similar matchup

like a surprise tbolt or especially against freeze dry kyurem

thoughts?

is there other roles i need in the team? am i missing smth?

[wooden mountain]

Feels like this team doesn’t have enough punch for a webs team with a defensively-built gholdengo, AV goodra and AV azu

[wooden mountain]

If you want to build around azu or goodra, I think they’ll fit more on bulky offenses teams due to being able to trade with AV

Webs is mainly for hard hitters that want to work around their speed like gambit and woger, rather than bulky tanks that like to trade like azu and goodra

[unkempt bramble]

i see, yeah that makes sense, and often time i did feel like maybe i could change some pokemon to make it fit better to a bulky offense playstyle, webs kinda dont do much

from my experience tho, dragonite is absolutely great, scale shot is fkin busted

maybe i need a bulkier spinner, Great tusk i heard is p good, what do i replace ribbombee for? or is there any bulky offense staple im missing?

[quartz stream]

webs isn't really bulky offense, it's mroe slow offense

think like booster special attacker iron moth, and ceruledge

every webs team needs a spinblocker, which you don't have

[unkempt bramble]

gholdengo?

[quartz stream]

nvm dentge

[unkempt bramble]

but i do notice it struggles against...whats the name

iron treads

or moltres

[quartz stream]

keyboard died in the middle of a sentence

[unkempt bramble]

so pbbly smth to deal with those 2

also this team dies to bulky

it has problems with mola, and ting lu

[quartz stream]

yeah ghold is not the best spinblocker, what it can do is block defog

[unkempt bramble]

so which is the best spinblocker?

[quartz stream]

cuz ghold is weak to knock off from treads and tusk

[quartz stream]

honestly ceruledge on a webs team might be a good one

[unkempt bramble]

what if im dropping webs tho?

[quartz stream]

for example it beats treads easily with bitter blade

[unkempt bramble]

didn't it get bodied by tusk?

[quartz stream]

if you're turning from webs to Hstack, then you would run ghold still

[unkempt bramble]

ok, so who do i add? im assuming im dropping ribombee and glimmora

[quartz stream]

you can run balloon or sash, and at +2 I'm pretty sure you just win

[unkempt bramble]

also i dont think hstack necessarily, maybe bulky offense? hstack feels too slow, even tho i know azu and goodra does that well with them both having knock off

[quartz stream]

you need reliable hazard removal

[quartz stream]

sure

and it's not a bad thing to have knock off, it's a great way to force progress against defensive cores

a knock off hoodra would theoretically be a great knock off user against super slow teams actually

cuz who wants to come in on knock, well it's like corv, gliscor, clefable, tinkaton, etc

and you have flame for the steels, ice beam for gliscor, and flash cannon for clefable

[quartz stream]

anyways I would maybe thing a Uturn corv would be useful for this role, cuz currently you have no pivot, no long-lasting ground resist, and no removal and corv does all of that

[unkempt bramble]

....huh

good point

[quartz stream]

dnite should be switched off of the loaded dice set, that one is mostly just for HO cuz it gets wrecked by hazards and has no espeed value

that does give you a ground immunity though (dnite without boots can't come in so it didn't count), so maybe you could use like a tusk for an electric immunity + hazard removal (over the corv suggestion)

[unkempt bramble]

is 2 ground immunity bad? especially since dnite is sorta squishy once it gets hit by a stray ice beam prediction?

[quartz stream]

it's not at all a bad thing to have, especially on a bulkier team (since a non-roost dnite doesn't have longevity in the long-term you would want a backup)

but ur wanting to run bulky offense, so you probably don't need it

[unkempt bramble]

i see

and the last member?

pbbly smth to counter opposing dragonite im assuming?

or to counter ting lu

maybe a wallbreaker with ice beam?

btw for dnite, how valuable do u think encore is?

cuz ngl i've gotten used to spamming it against smth like kingambit and raging bolt-

or setup sweepers like clefable

...iron valiant?

[flat jackal]

Which tinglu set should i run?

Cuz i think defog wont pair well with stealth rock

[north nimbus]

Single entry hazard with defog is fine

[quartz stream]

you need some sort of revenge killer

you have Espeed dnite for prio, so a scarfer or a pult or a booster speed val would work (note that val can only work once)

well val working only once is fine, cuz ironically this team is pretty fast paced, Azu and AV Hoodra get worn down surprisingly quickly

[quartz stream]

encore is more of a hyperoffense style, it's good but dnite wants to run like 5 other moves

encore gives you setup opporunities at the cost of coverage and/or recovery

[quartz stream]

also you need hazards, so mon 5 should be great tusk or iron treads with rapid spin and rocks as 2 moves

[unkempt bramble]

gotcha, thx for the advice ^^

oh, speaking off hazards, wouldnt skarm be better than corv?

[unkempt bramble]

Hey how do i deal with burn

Cuz this team seems to rlly struggle against it

https://pokepast.es/028156d8778be7cc

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/9c4db669dd1cd840

[nocturne sable]

Yea I can definitely see a Dragapult or a moltres burning this team & farming this

The reason is that your AV users aren’t the best in OU, Hoodra & Azumarill are fringe at best & you also lack a proper ghost resist for hex

For some odd reason you also have no hazards setters with gholdengo on your team

[nocturne sable]

What is the Tera electric on garg for? Won’t you not want to Tera into something not weak to tusk or zama?

Otherwise this looks like pretty standard BO

[limber spear]

i have tried water on it

and honestly i find both fine

[solar sundial]

Why electric tho

[limber spear]

electric is just that i heard it’s a viable tera on garg so i went for it

[nocturne sable]

IMO garg should be a Tera not weak to tusk

Especially since it’s set up garg

[limber spear]

fair enough

is water fine

[nocturne sable]

I like Tera ghost for zama aswell

[limber spear]

👍

[unkempt bramble]

https://pokepast.es/84d7bb99681c8fa6

This is the team i had originally, its p ok but it gets walled by smth like ting lu and mola, and agaonst balance its kinda bad

[nocturne sable]

Now this one is salvageable but you need to drop Hoodra and Azumarill they add nothing to this team

Instead add more set up sweepers. I think SD Ogerpon & Nplot darkrai wouldn’t be bad addition

Also make Ghold Nplot on these type of web structures

Then you’ll have a fairly standard webs team

[nocturne sable]

Only a few things with this team

drop temper flare for one of CC,knock or Ice spinner. Temper flare isn’t useful outside of Sun and doesn’t come anywhere close to koing corviknight.

If you’re running hex gholdengo then it should be defensive dengo with recover>gleam imo.

Also think this team needs a little speed. I think if you’re running kyurem here I would make it choice scarf>specs so you can have a way to revenge kill mons like pult darkrai etc

Otherwise I like the look of this team. I can see how chesnaught fits here.

Actually speaking about tusk I think spdef iron treads might work well here over tusk to ease the MU vs certain spatks like Ghold, bolt etc

https://pokepast.es/53bffa86a8e7a688 something like this

[timid lily]

https://pokepast.es/334db21a831390b8
so i think I've built myself into a wall, i like the power that darkrai, kinggambitt, and draggupult provide, all sweepers in their own right. problem is my more defensive mons (corvknight, slowking, landerous) will die in a longer match and im stuck with my three main attackers. not sure what to change

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unkempt bramble]

Gotcha

[rapid barn]

make the slowking galar bulky

and the lando bulky

tspikes arent that great on it either

twave/toxic

[timid lily]

yeah just played like 10 matches where i defog my own spikes 😂

[rapid barn]

theres a lot of good poison types that would absorb it too

better to run like twave or something

[timid lily]

i originally had twave as a slow speed control, but most of the time i would get a ting lu switch, or lando, or even great tusk switch

thats why i put it on the dragpult instead

[rapid barn]

mm

the fastest thing on your team is pult

and theres no priority

[timid lily]

sucker punch gambit fills that, but incredibly situational

wins me those about to lose matches but provides no use during the match

he my fav mon on the team any suggestions for prio to add?

[rapid barn]

wait actually mb i missed that lol

its fine

hmm

you might want to change one or 2 of the attackers

you might like iron valiant

[timid lily]

i like that

im just worried about handling gholdengo or tinglu

they both cuck the team hard

[rapid barn]

i dont rlly see anything that could crack mola either

esp if its av

cuz rn you dont got knock off either

[timid lily]

For mola I usually switched in the SPA slow king most people don’t expect the 350 spa sludge bomb and it 2h kos or if there unlucky they get poisoned before the switch

Or I would darkpulse darkai if no ting Lu

[rapid barn]

wont work if its av

[timid lily]

True

[nocturne sable]

The 6 is fine imo. Just switch around the sets like making Lando regular defensive lando with taunt rocks.

Pult gambit and rai are pretty flexable in their sets and can change depending on what you want to deal with

[rapid barn]

id add knock off

[nocturne sable]

Brothaman there is literally a whole kingambit that can crack alomomola also mola cannot hit rai back with mirror coat

[timid lily]

That’s how I win most matches 😂

Switch in gambit if they run scald and miss the burn I set up and it’s over

[nocturne sable]

Knock is definitely not a bad suggestion but Mola is not unbreakable for this team

Especially if gking toxics it

[rapid barn]

gotta swap the sets ye

[nocturne sable]

I would also just add wisp over wave for pult its easier into gambit

[rapid barn]

rai basically needs at least 3 hits with chip, gambit could get burned or flip turn

thats why I was a bit worried, esp with no knock off

could get tricked though

[nocturne sable]

Barely matters if Mola can’t really break rai

Unless you’re like alluring voice but that’s kinda whatever

Hazard chip+toxic chip will eventually wear it down

[rapid barn]

true ig

[timid lily]

Lando better with rocky helm or the leftovers?

I feel leftovers just for the sustainin but with the high knock off usage I might better off with the rocky helm to at least do some chip

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/928a19c9476f6338

[rapid barn]

I like rocky helm but I think both works?

if you rlly want longevity youd just run gliscor tbh

also I just realized

your dragapult was 196 spdef instead of spatk xD

[rapid barn]

@nocturne sable is this better?

[feral musk]

Tried using the utility slitherwing set from smogon. Im like 1600 rn

https://pokepast.es/84e5ddde0d465ce6

The ogre and rai are doing good but i kinda just slapped two attackers on since slowking and slither can support offensive mons well. Lmk if you think there are better options

Great tusk was just a snap pick for hazard removal. He’s been doing what gt does, not sure if i could have better removal.

Slither and glowking synergies well on paper but there is some anti synergy with chilly reception and morning sun.

Lmk if you have any advice outside of this stuff or you think i get cooked by some mon.

Oh yeah my tera types are doodoo, im not good at this gen. Help a brother out with some tera recommendations

[nocturne sable]

Looks fine

[storm escarp]

anyone mind giving me some feedback on this team

i’m a pretty mid player and team builder but i’ve been working on improving

personally i feel like the team doesn’t have enough damage but i’m not sure how to fix that problem .. i’d like to keep av alo (it brings me great joy), but i’m willing to switch just about anything else around

i also feel like this team might get stomped by wellspring oger but i haven’t seen any yet

[rapid barn]

wogerpon is not a problem

hydrapple walls most physical attackers really badly, and that includes wogerpon

the defensive core is pretty solid, hydrapple generally takes a lot of time to break anyways

[storm escarp]

oh alright

[covert sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/27c5358074ca2784

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

this is a good start

pex doesnt make a lot of sense here though

[covert sequoia]

i kinda just looked at wikis

[covert sequoia]

y not

good defence

[inner terrace]

pex is a passive mon and the rest of your team is like an offense

[covert sequoia]

is it not useful to have one defensive one

[inner terrace]

depends on the style of team

on this one not rlly

[covert sequoia]

ah

[inner terrace]

like gking would be a better mon if u want the defensive role

because it can pivot with chilly reception

but honestly i might just use like red card glimmora on this structure

gking is fine tho

[covert sequoia]

lol more stealth rock

[inner terrace]

actually with your current sets gking would be better, then run like leftovers raging bolt

[covert sequoia]

okie

[inner terrace]

didnt see that your pon was spikes

[covert sequoia]

uh whos gking

kingambit?

@inner terrace

[inner terrace]

slowking galar

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/c9ce1364cd3e80bc tera fire Dragonite offense

[covert sequoia]

ah

so smth like this? https://pokepast.es/2053becd2f0a8dd5

[blissful nebula]

Specially defensive Gking runs chilly reception / twave /psychic move and sludge bomb

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/23072d7eca034363 tried making a hazard stack team, it's a new territory for me so would appreciate some advice

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Why is scizor swords dance choice band? Anyways…

You need a water resistant for Woger. I don’t think scizor here is necessary since you already have two steel types. I would drop it for something like rillaboom/wogerpon

I would personally make treads speed booster here but that’s up to youz

[jade cedar]

ye I missed that, I was torn between a sd set or CB one, funnily enough when I showed the same team in other server someone said that booster treads was weird

[inner terrace]

not a fan of booster treads but dont run boots imo

like air balloon AV or lefties

could run booster but only like booster atk

with 4 attacks

[jade cedar]

adamant?

[inner terrace]

uh i think

treads is pretty bad as a rocker imo

unless it's like balance and u got the greatest spinblockers there are

[jade cedar]

didn't want to put tusk to not overlap fairy weakness

[elder knoll]

Iron Treads @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Ice Spinner
• Stone Edge
• Rapid Spin

[inner terrace]

yea this

was not sure if ada outsped kyurem

or not

can run supercell over edge

[elder knoll]

You’re 296

which is slower than Kyurem

he’s like 300 something

[inner terrace]

317

but dam that slow

ts crazy

wait

how tho

base 100 adamant 252 speed is 299

how is it 296

[jade cedar]

math ain't mathing

[elder knoll]

You’re 311 at 252

Look at the spread tho

[inner terrace]

yeah thats what i thought

yeah ik

use jolly then u need to outspeed kyu

actually do u

prolly yeah

[jade cedar]

Iron Treads @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Ice Spinner
• Stone Edge
• Earthquake

this should outsped kyurem

[elder knoll]

252/252 Jolly always outspeeds Kyu unless like it’s +1

[jade cedar]

thx anyway

[covert sequoia]

is this good?

[nocturne sable]

Just run what the smogon set says

Chilly reception sludge bomb psychic move then status move(Twave,toxic) or coverage(flamethrower ice beam) of your choice

[elder knoll]

an attacking psychic move

not light screen

[covert sequoia]

ah

[blissful nebula]

Yeah future sight is good , Psyshock is good, Psy noise is good

[rapid barn]

id run either psynoise or future sight

btw throw boots on there

change the tera type too

[covert sequoia]

ah

[covert sequoia]

to what

psychic?

[rapid barn]

no

its not meant to be an attacker

its a specially defensive pivot

[covert sequoia]

yeah so what should the tera type be

[rapid barn]

water is common

[covert sequoia]

ah

[rapid barn]

fairy is also good

just pick something that isnt weak/resists the types you are originally weak to

[covert sequoia]

okie

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/693a4c4eeae0ec1a

first time trying webs team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flat jackal]

i might need better mons to deal with tusk and corv

specs enamorus maybe?

[unkempt bramble]

https://pokepast.es/b00a6d9f183e275a

so i changed the team around, i wanted to keep azu in, and i see people often underestimating azu.

i think the team works well so far, but is there other sets/moves i can use to improve the team? Is belly drum azu better here?

[tropic hearth]

https://pokepast.es/b8d6b29bd9ff8653 so i have no freeze dry switch in and fairy types can break through if torn is low enough

I was thinking about switching woger with another spiker but not sure who

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/40a52265dc2a7529

please attempt to not remove chansey, comfey and magnezone, thanks!

[nocturne sable]

Defensive hex dengo isn’t something you run on webs. Change it to offensive Nasty plot.

Glimmora should be mortal spin over dazzling gleam.

I’m not really a fan of zama here. I would replace it with another fighting like Iron valiant or great tusk.

Then I feel like it would be a standard webs team.

[flat jackal]

i intended ghold to be a spin blocker so i dont wanna tusk to ko it

but yeah zama is indeed somewhat lackluster so imma change it

[nocturne sable]

Your webs offense it doesn’t really matter.

If ghold dies you go into the next Mon that can threaten tusk in woger/iron valiant

[flat jackal]

i see

[nocturne sable]

You’re better off just making this a regular offense team over a webs team.

Just make AV azu AV prim it’s better at taking special hits in general while hitting as hard.

Make ribombee a hazard removal like great tusk or something

[unkempt bramble]

I see

Why make this a regular ho tho?

[nocturne sable]

Because it’s feel structured like one. With the max hp gambit av water fairy it feels more natural to convert to a regular offense

[unkempt bramble]

So how do i make this more like a webs offense team?

The reason i go max hp gambit is cuz im assumjng everything outspeeds it anyway

Also, is there other movesets i need to use?

[nocturne sable]

Well you probably have to make moth like spatk booster energy then drop AV Azumarill for another set up sweeper/attacker then this can probably be a regular webs team

And make gambit max speed

[unkempt bramble]

Gorcha

[quartz stream]

AV azu doesn't fit on a webs team yeah

run belly drum if you run HO azu

not like I would recommend AV azu anywhere, outside of like draft

[tropic hearth]

Bump

[unkempt bramble]

I see

[nocturne sable]

This defense core is pretty weak in general I think it would need a revamp.

I think the general conscience is you want to keep max hazards right?

https://pokepast.es/2eca5304379089ee this is what I came up with.

Spikes woger is fine it can also act as some form of knock absorber especially with synthesis

I drop Gweezing for pecharunt & dropped tornadus for Zapdos. Zapdos keeps your MU into tusk steady. Pecharunt helps you spinblock+improves your MU into fairies.

Idk if you wanted to keep Hoopa or not but I made it AV Hoopa to help you trade better into special attackers like Ghold bolt kyu etc.

I changed alomomola to kingambit cuz gambit just slots well with anything really. I made it max speed to catch other non max speed gambits+you already have AV hoops. Tera fire helps to avoid burn from will o wisp Dragapult or moltres.

[nocturne sable]

This would literally not work unfortunately because all chansey comfey & magnezone are fringe mons at best And they don’t even synergies that well

[nocturne sable]

If you’re not a fan of the speed tiers here you can also just go Scarf darkrai>kingambit @tropic hearth

https://pokepast.es/0eb9cdaf9633f4b8

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/1fc1fda4f13ed5fd (only 5 games of testing ) fez prolly isnt that good in like bo (i think) but its p cool

[nocturne sable]

Keep testing imo and find out what you’re struggling with

[limber spear]

(does that mean its fine on paper)

[nocturne sable]

Yea looks fine

[limber spear]

[nocturne sable]

Though you can probably greed some items since you have tusk for removal.

Maybe rocky helmet apple & offensive item zama(E belt can work or CB)

[limber spear]

yeah thats a bad habit that i hv

is lo zama not that good

i mean the recoil kinda sucks but

[nocturne sable]

Lo zama could be fine. Me personally not a fan of recoil either

[limber spear]

ic thx

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/3f17758ba481c732 my attempt at taking the sv fucking goats advice

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

and no it doesnt have garchomp

[inner terrace]

this alright

looks strong

i like recover over sball on my deo sets but up to u

[cloud kayak]

3 dps?

or like wat am I looking at here

[quartz stream]

what is a chansey doing on a balance team? zone and comfey are totally mismatched wth chansey

sometimes, it's better to just make 2 teams to use all your favorites, cuz even if your favorites are viable mons, they still might not fit together

and chansey, comfey, and zone are borderline

and now other issues arise: a lot of your key resistances are on offensive mons who will die after 1-2 switchins leaving chansey and gliscor alone, your hazards are on chansey which is omega taunt fodder, etc

and your rapid spin user (offensive quaquaval) will probably get worn down or die often, wqay before your other 5 bootsless mons die
probably swap it for a great tusk and ditch chansey for something more useful

tusk can rock and spin, and then you can swap chansey for AV hrott to retain the special wall and the water type, without having to use chansey

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/0fb798141bbac044

Brainrot so extreme

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

idk about lefties rai on this team

life orb makes more sense on webs HO

[gritty lake]

Honestly

I need two anti stall mons tho

i.e. Oger and rai

Lorb rai will just get worn down too easily

My anti offense in chomp and crown are doing well

Actually wait

https://pokepast.es/0353a8ac3b17e3b9

[quartz stream]

you can use my patented stallbreaking technology if you want

(if you want to drop elo)

[quartz stream]

if you really want to use rai, you can meme with taunt darkrai instead of taunt goltres

[gritty lake]

Nah molt is cooler

[quartz stream]

you already have play rough wellspring, so really only need something to beat stall's wellspring answers

that basically means amongus and pex, plus like tera grass molt/talon

could try a mixed kyurem, DD freeze dry icicle spear EP

[gritty lake]

I could

[quartz stream]

better kyurem than stall

[cloud kayak]

https://pokepast.es/c815dc4140661410

is this decent at all

?

[cloud kayak]

dead server 🥹

[nocturne sable]

A lot of the sets here are wack. Especially the Tera type. Defensive core is sus and this team doesn’t really have synergy in general.

Why are you using regice and what does it do anyway?

[cloud kayak]

idk I just needed a specially defensive tank 🤷

I'm kinda new so idk wat's good or not

[nocturne sable]

If you’re new i recommend you look at sample teams and other metagame resources

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[stable nymph]

https://pokepast.es/a9e67c5cc4d57175
(I want to keep SD Gliscor)

Options I'm considering:
Tera Fire > Ghost on Gambit
Barb + Knock > TWave on Clef

[nocturne sable]

clef should probably be knock here

And I don’t really like boots gambit tbh you’re better off running lefties or lum berry

Don’t think you need Tera fire gambit when you already have a status absorber in Gliscor

[stable nymph]

Ight

[stable nymph]

Knock with barb or lefties?

Prob Barb

[nocturne sable]

You already have skarm to punish contact but barb can work to punish trick

[stable nymph]

I was thinking about using it for stuff like corv

[nocturne sable]

I mean… corv is kinda whatever but yea barb is still fine

[stable nymph]

I'll just decide when I play more

[blissful nebula]

Yeah just play more

See what weaknesses are

Edit
Rinse & Repeat

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/e1c0b3a4fe14c6e9

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

i dont like ting here

maybe try red card gljmm over it

also sd rilla

[jade cedar]

fairy weakness overlap I guess?, btw mind sent glim set?

[inner terrace]

im on my phone rn

i run

240 hp 216+ def -atk rest speed

[rapid barn]

Maybe a glowking

And drop rocks on tusk, move knock to rai? Idk

[inner terrace]

i dont like gking

running a gking then running a sash mon you might as well be running no item

[rapid barn]

Ah

I rlly don’t like all the type overlap here

And there isn’t any way to spread status rlly

[rapid barn]

Hold on, what if he runs the bulk up set instead?

[inner terrace]

i mean maybe

still like

band rilla is ass

so you want something offensive or u wanna run like boots rilla

[rapid barn]

Mmm

[rapid barn]

Still though, I’d like some sort of status on the team

[inner terrace]

glimm

[rapid barn]

Like maybe will o on the rai

[inner terrace]

and offense doesnt rlly need it

[rapid barn]

Alr

[blissful nebula]

Whip it good

[flat bane]

Is this team good? https://pokepast.es/57ff7e436cd1cf34

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rapid barn]

its a bit strange

dont put sash on your kingambit

[flat bane]

Ok then what about the others

[rapid barn]

the sets are a bit wierd

cinderace run pyro ball

no point in putting fake out rilla on singles, just run knock off instead

[flat bane]

My cinderace keeps missing pyro ball every time

[rapid barn]

still, not worth it

you prob want u-turn on cinderace too

[flat bane]

For what ogerpon

[rapid barn]

u-turn is just good on cinderace in general

[flat bane]

And come on it’s to counter potential toxapex

[rapid barn]

cinderace is not a toxapex counter 😭

[rapid barn]

also, lando might fit better on your team

its good on faster paced team and provides an electric and ground immunity which you dont have rn over garg, and it'll help bring in your breakers

rn garganacl feels a bit out of place on your team

[flat bane]

Ok come on I need that guy to set up salt cure

[rapid barn]

fine then, but id like you to change up the iron valiant set though

to like a calm mind set

[flat bane]

I tried doing that and iron valiant ended up getting one shot

[rapid barn]

its like, a late game cleaner

you can use encore to lock other mons into one move and start setting up

[flat bane]

I can just improve my team

[rapid barn]

im trying to give you suggestions to improve the team

[flat bane]

Yeah sure

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/45874e6ab6113696

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/aa71c37630a9f37b

im thinking something like this

[flat bane]

This is a bit of an improvement

[chilly tundra]

Another suggestion I could make is instead of DDance Kyurem, run substitute + Protect leftovers Kyurem

Moveset is freeze dry, Earth power, substitute, protect. The stats are 52 hp, 204 SpAtk, 252 speed with a Tera ground

It works well with Rilla because lefties + terrain recovery makes it an absolute beast that not only hits hard, but refuses to die

[rapid barn]

looks nice!

Id prob swap walking wake for another knock off user though

small tweaks like iron press zama and tera ghost lefties kingambit

[chilly tundra]

You never want ironpress zama on hazard stack

Bulky hazard stack that is

[rapid barn]

both are really good but I prefer iron press

with roar it could rack up a lot of hazard damage and stop sweepers, or it could also clean up later on with boosted body press

[rapid barn]

run either sets is fine

also it looks like your team would kinda struggle against corv

it could come in and defog pretty easily and you cant rlly stop it

[chilly tundra]

The point of the HStack team is to be able to come in multiple times throughout the game to set up hazards many times. Mons like Wake and Pech can wear down Corv to be knocked out by zama. Bulky HStack is basically semi stall with extra steps

[low phoenix]

team looks pretty good at first glance

can do some more testing to iron out weaknesses if you havent done so yet

you can speed creep kingambit to make it faster than g weezing

[worn socket]

https://pokepast.es/9d9e1716e3161ae1

After about 15+ games I was losing to alot of endgame mons

Raging bolt, gambit, id zama

So I put that i val in but idk

[elder knoll]

remove the Hatt first of all

You’d want to add a ground to help with Bolt

[worn socket]

Hatt does feel very inconsistent here

[elder knoll]

Hatt doesn’t really provide anything that you can’t guess elsewhere

it doesn’t benefit from webs either

[worn socket]

But taking a hit and pivoting + possibly HW is huge since nothing wants to take a hit here

Maybe treads?

[elder knoll]

Treads helps with bolt

If you really want to keep Hax

I’d recommend going the physpam route

But

Dnite and like Kyu are just better

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/3f4c5185476ba43e

Bulky offense!

[worn socket]

Yeah but hax makes any stall or semi stall 100-0

[elder knoll]

ok but like

you could like

build the team so you don’t have to rely on it

🤔

[worn socket]

it's in the name bro i can't not have it :[

[elder knoll]

😔

Stack more phys breakers with it then

[flat jackal]

I might replace crown with sth else cuz i feel this is very weak to pult

[worn socket]

Dd av tar

Lol wait u cant do that..

[flat jackal]

replaced crown for specs krai

now im scared of enamorus

[nocturne sable]

Add a treads or tusk over hatterene. They give you a ground and are better removal for web teams

I really don’t like boots moth here I would make it spatk booster with with like Tera grass energy ball to overwhelm ting Lu

And I would probably just make Ival fully physical with swords dance

[limber spear]

meow is a burden most of the time ngl https://pokepast.es/fc5d8ee7e41073ca

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worn socket]

Ting lu has been a problem too but I'd get eaten alive by cb bullet punch or cb glide

Sadly might have to accept hax is a fake mon 😔

Gotta be boring and use dnite or kyurem

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/0bc0276dce592e99 some thoughts?

[nocturne sable]

Use headlong over eq you don’t need to care about defense drops especially when you’re bulk up anyways

Other than that it looks strong. Anything you’re struggling with particularly?

[nocturne sable]

Those priority shouldn’t be a problem when you have Ghold+tera fire hax

[jade cedar]

I still prefer EQ in bulk up set, I did test with headlong rush and found that I'm more then likely to die with it for a bit more power. generally nothing had been annoying most of my loses were bc of bad plays and rng, still I'm kinda a bit concerned about stall matchup since I haven't faced any of them yet

[nocturne sable]

Banded outrage dnite should destroy stall lacking a a fairy type+ you have a trick user in rai so stall should be playable

+fs support as well

[jade cedar]

btw quick question what do you find the most consistently good dnite set is? other then the standard dd ES, this mon specfically had got me confused since it has way too many sets

[nocturne sable]

Tbh the thing with dnite is a lot of its sets are MU fishy. Some work well in certain matchups but some completely flop in others

For example: Tera blast fairy dnite is good into zama Lu but walled by corv if roost>encore and loses to Bullet punch scizor.

Tera fire scale shot fire punch dnite is a little worst into grounds but good into a lot of things.

The regular dnite espeed set is reliable in the endgame but it’s easier to deal with compared to the Tera blast sets.

The most consistent imo is Tera flying dnite. 2x flying stab still does consistent damage even into resist when you get a Dd or two up.

[jade cedar]

understandable, ig dnite is pretty customizable, I got this question in my hand when I fought someone using Terablast water+ fire punch+ ice spinner with dd, ye pretty weird. still from what I noticed most of dnite sets are must-tera to work most of the time

[rapid barn]

What worked for me was the tera ghost set

Zoroark hisui you’ll prob never encounter, and it’s basically perfect coverage

It’s pretty easy to find setup opportunities on stuff like zamazenta

Only issue is you run the risk of being killed by sucker punch, but you can play around that with encore

[jade cedar]

ye I noticed this set being popular recently, dark and ghost weakness can be solved by teammates, tera blast ghost, ES go crazy

[rapid barn]

Tera ghost Tera blast low kick encore dd with spell tag

It’s a really good late game sweeper

And it hits a lot of things really hard

Heavy duty boots is good too, but if you can keep hazards off the field the extra damage is nice

[blissful nebula]

That is correct, so versitile that’s why people want it banned

Not me tho

I think it’s great for the metab

Just need to learn how to disarm it
Trick gholdengo if you keep it healthy

Or like Pech is a pretty solid switch in
You can also try Tera ghost valiant encore

Some other sets would be Tera fly

Tera fairy

Normal espeed

Ground nite

With ice spinner

Last move just depends on what you really need

Could be roost

Could be encore

Tera Fire Punch Scale shot

You can even go mono Tera blast with both rosters and encore

All with Dragon Dance of course just making that clear

[upper orbit]

Rate pls

https://pokepast.es/725397a5b99c979e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

dont use black glasses tera fly

pick one

hrott can be black glasses instead of life orb, and gambit can be regular ghost lefties

or fairy blast

put rocks on heatran over tusk

and make tusk ice spinner instead

your dnite mu is atrocious so id say make ghold either twave or scarf

both are fine into most dnite

[upper orbit]

What should I choose?

Oh

[blissful nebula]

Scarf is good for trick
The run stab recover

[upper orbit]

Uhh simplify?

[blissful nebula]

Wait there is no ground immunity

Ballon t wave is fine

[blissful nebula]

What would you like simplified

[upper orbit]

I dont understand abbreviations

[final relic]

oh

hrott = samurott hisui twave = thunder wave dnite = dragonite

[upper orbit]

Okay

[final relic]

https://pokepast.es/fc2ecb210ad22b72

i made samu av and changed rai set around

idt that you need another sd guy

[upper orbit]

For me?

[nocturne sable]

Wouldn’t you want Tera poison for zama or is it whatever since you have defensive Ghold already

[final relic]

yeah its just the changes i suggested

[upper orbit]

Ohh

[final relic]

poison is fine

you can make it that if you like

[upper orbit]

Won the first battle with Darkrai & Gholdengo

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/154e161b77f8357f really concerned about how i matchup against more offensive teams, the lack of prio here also concerns me

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

team also has 0 dark resists, 0 ghost resists, 0 dragon resists, and 0 freeze dry resists

tera normal gliscor and tera fairy dragapult isn't gonna cut it on a fatter team like this, IMO just ditch hoopa

[limber spear]

isnt glowking a somewhat freeze dry resist

[elder knoll]

it is

[limber spear]

🛏️

[quartz stream]

in theory yes, but a lot of kyurems plan to beat glowking

[elder knoll]

if you have a check to the variants that beat Kyurem you don’t need a specific guy for freeze dry

ex. Corv + Gking

[quartz stream]

hoopa is always a liability, and most people (that aren't like top ladder gods) that try to use it were sucked into the void and never seen again

[quartz stream]

yeah it's not the most kyurem weak of teams, I was just listing it with 3 other major weaknesses to make the point look bigger

[elder knoll]

Hoopa is fine

to use lol

AV is fine

Scarf has trended lately

[quartz stream]

when your team looks like this with 0 priority and major defensive weaknesses, the first thought should be to ditch hoopa

[elder knoll]

lol what if the idea is Pult + Mola + Gkjng to port it around that idea is sound

[quartz stream]

if every team in SV OU rates had to have 3 mons ripped out and replaced, 90% of the teams wouldn't get looked at even

[quartz stream]

it's sound enough, but I'll leave the cleanup work to someone else

the path of least resistance is to remove hoopa, and if hoopa is being used than a hoopa veteran will have to fix the team

[solar sundial]

That actually was the main idea

[solar sundial]

You've never really suggested what to replace hoopa with though. You can tell me to change it out all day and thats fine but like..with what?

But yeah i did see an issue with the kyurem matchup

Which is why i made hoopa t-steel

[solar sundial]

Pult + Mola + Gking to help position myself for something nice and hazard + wish support

[quartz stream]

if you want to make as few changes as possible, a Kingambit adds your missing resistances while also providing priority (but you lose hoopa's breaking power)

ur gonna be short a hoopa and down a knock user, so stall matchup will be somewhat worse, but offense matchup will be more manageable

[quartz stream]

ye it's not a bad idea, it's just difficult to build, because a boots Hoopa is basically a dead teamslot when it comes to defensive value (and you need to be able to stop offense while down a mon)

[solar sundial]

I was considering one of the lati

For levitate

But thats probably not the best idea without a ghost/dark resist

[quartz stream]

yeah agreed, and you'd have to give up like Dragapult which gets you 6-0d by Darkrai and Pult

[solar sundial]

Maybe lati + hamurott over gliscor and hoopa?

[quartz stream]

the selling point of Hoopa is thatif you can get it on the field, you basically can break anything, so everything else should be dedicated to defensive utility and revenging

[quartz stream]

idk about that, 3 dragons and 4 fairy weaks, we are looking like a monotype team now

and you'd give up both knock off users and only replace with 1 (hamurott, who wants to click ceaseless more than knock)

a thought could be replacing garchomp with Hamurott

[solar sundial]

Ok

So

Oger?

[quartz stream]

replace the hazard setter with a diff hazard setter, removing a dragon weakness and adding a prio user that also resists dark and ghost

you can't punish uturns anymore, but since hoopa is gone you don't need to nearly much

[solar sundial]

Ehhhhh

I relaly like having dragon tail for phasing though

But i guess the main point is to alleviate the offense matchup so i wouldnt need that

[quartz stream]

true true, what have you been losing to? could try using roar zama or roar moltreds

[solar sundial]

I hadnt tested the team before posting it but i could tell from looking at it i would lose to HO

[quartz stream]

will say btw the hoopa team is not unworkable, stick a pin in it if you like the idea

[solar sundial]

And kyurem looked concerning but not impossible

[solar sundial]

Yeah i have it copied already so its not gone

[quartz stream]

kyurem is always concerning, you have glowking and pult so it's not autolose at least

[solar sundial]

Looking at stuff with knock

Oger is really sticking out to me

And weirdly okidogi

[quartz stream]

oger is a good knock user, but remember if your goal is boots spam hazard stacking, oger can't hold boots

so oger doesn't last long

[solar sundial]

Not that one

Just

Grass oger

[quartz stream]

oh yeah teal mask is a great one

[solar sundial]

Helps with the speed issue too with tera

[quartz stream]

yeah, although u do need both speed and prio, cuz there are mons like blazikens and scale shotters that get to +infinity speed

personally I never leave home without a dragonite after my time in the ZA OU trenches, but that's just me

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/18eef783f00bf951 looking at it that wouldnt be a horrible choice

Butttt it adds another fairy weak

And doesnt help with the already existing ice weakness

• i kinda want a special attacker here

[quartz stream]

yea, it's both a knock off user and a hazard abuser/cleaner

[solar sundial]

Maybe Ival over Oger + Dnite?

[quartz stream]

could get rid of the alo maybe? don't need as much pivoting now that hoopa is out

[solar sundial]

While thats true i really like/want the wish support here

[quartz stream]

val would have to be some strange set, you don't want booster on hstack

[solar sundial]

But i see im spread thin

[solar sundial]

Im fine with mixed tbh

🤷‍♂️

Boots CC knock moonblast tbolt/shadow ball/encore

[quartz stream]

a thing I like to do when nearing the end of detail design is to make a checklist and then see what fits the criteria

so here like you want to have 2 knock users, hazard setter, roar user, speedy guy, prio user, etc
and alomomola is a locked teamslot

a thought could be garchomp for ting-lu

[solar sundial]

When you put it like that

Its unfortunate

But yeah im spreading myself thin being a bit too greedy about what i want

[quartz stream]

I mean it's not that unreasonable if you look for alternative ways

for example the garchomp slot could be providing something different with a different guy
or pult could be a different guy

alo provides nice value, especially in long hstacking games

[solar sundial]

I will say though

I refuse to not a run a ghost on this team

Thats the only reason pult is here over darkrai

[quartz stream]

yeah obv you need a ghost on hazard stackyou also need a guy that beats corviknight

[solar sundial]

I absolutely despise that walking wake sample where you have to use tera ghost on lu

[quartz stream]

also that reminds me, if ur not running gohold you usually want a guy that beats corv

so that corv can't walk in and defog for free

especially noteworthy on this team, where garchomp can easily die and then hazards go down and you lose

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/1e8523a81c5b40a7

Maybe something like this.?

Maybe not dnite but im thinking

[quartz stream]

yeah that's the type of team you run only if ur a top player, I never was able to make that shit work

[solar sundial]

That (was) part of the reason i wanted wish

[quartz stream]

it kinda sucks that the sample teams are all a bit strange insetad of being bog standard

[solar sundial]

Its a shame too cause i actually really like that team outside of that one issue

But i digress

[quartz stream]

careful, on boots spam you 100% need a knock off absorber of some kind

gliscor was the knock absorber, so if he's gone you need something to fill that

[solar sundial]

Is chomp not a knock off absorber?

[quartz stream]

ehhh chomp is too easy to wear down, especially considering you need him to set hazards back up

you could pivot to a more offensive style or smth and then it's not as critical

[solar sundial]

Man this is

Way fucking harder than i thought

[quartz stream]

it's sus to want chomp to dragon tail, to set hazards back, and to take knock off when it comes

[quartz stream]

yep, aren't you glad you aren't using a hoopa now? lul

[solar sundial]

I feel like we're going in circles

[solar sundial]

Hoopa somehow made this feel easier

[quartz stream]

yeah cuz you have a dedicated goal, and 4 teamslots are locked in (hoopa pivoters, garchomp to punish uturn is also pretty clear pick)

but then you lose to HO because you have 2 teamslots to beat kyurems, and darkrais, and pults, and vals

[solar sundial]

Hoopa was simple

I dont set up, I dont revenge kill, I WALL BREAK. And if i dont wallbreak? I LOSE

[quartz stream]

https://tenor.com/view/true-morgan-freeman-labubu-rocket-fireworks-gif-11229025673966291408

hoopa is an honest man

[quartz stream]

when that happens to me, what I like to do is to copy the team and delete anything non-essential

and then try building the team from scratch again to see if I missed anything

or go for a walk or smth and come back with a fresh head, that always helped when programming

[solar sundial]

Its nearly 2 in the morning for me

And im not stressed tbh

Its fun trying to put this stuff together like puzzle blocks

https://pokepast.es/c36912d934ee84a5

So, lets put it all back together and start from here.

[quartz stream]

teambuilding always was more fun than battling

[solar sundial]

I could probably bring gliscor back

[quartz stream]

cuz if you make a shit team you don't lose elo in the builder

and you can't miss a draco in the builder either

can't wait for the new feature in gen 10 where you can get fullparad in the teambuilder and lose your team progress

for the real mons experience

[solar sundial]

TBH i like this core since chomp still works as a way to punish U-turn for oger when it comes it.

[quartz stream]

imo from here you probably want to go more offense, before you had balance and oger and garchomp wouldn't fit too well

[solar sundial]

I might not decide to hstack and could replace chomp for ting lu+ moltres/zapdos

[quartz stream]

in that case you would probably drop reg oger too

[solar sundial]

Or helmet tusk

[solar sundial]

Ehhhh

[quartz stream]

reg oger's purpose is to hold boots basically

[solar sundial]

Really depends on whether i want the speed boost or better stab

[quartz stream]

cuz you can burn tera to speedboost sure, but others do that too

and you can't even hit everything necessarily, me when tera poison darkrai jumpscare or smth

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/6783d7eb8c9b8bfe

Not even gonna focus on sets yet

[elder knoll]

Band is the better set 😭

[solar sundial]

On hstack.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1393718069091766433.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dorobald

[quartz stream]

band on hstack

[solar sundial]

I will say though

The more i look at zama the more i hate it

Because it just looks so easy to out on literally any team

[quartz stream]

I've been having some thoughts based on this team, I might make a team of my own now

gl with your endeavors

[solar sundial]

Glad i could inspire somethin, and thank you with the help

[quartz stream]

yeah np

also I think I'm gonna make checklists for this shit

so many things to remember

[shut geyser]

https://pokepast.es/3cf37d802a15cc18

[nocturne sable]

This semi stall looks like it gets 6-0ed by Ghold & raging bolt immediately and special attackers in general.

I don’t think there is a stall that can afford to not run Blissey here. The replacements here don’t seem to cut it

[nocturne sable]

The problem with mola is that yea wish support is nice but it’s such a momentum sink and it set up fodder for basically every swords dance sweeper in the game.

Hoopa is fine on these structures but I would probably make it AV to trade into Ghold & rai better. I would also rather make Hoopa Tera fairy to shore up that dragon MU.

https://pokepast.es/ceadc8c3944387ee this is what I would make your team look like.

I added ace here over scor. Tbh I didn’t like the double ground here adding to the ice weakness & scor isn’t the most effective sole knock absorber(loses to weavile, wake, etc) so I added ace here as hazard control for opposing ace trying to court change hazards & ace is also really good into offences as it can mess with webs, screens, etc. sucker punch can be clutch vs ghosts like pult ceru etc.

1 knocker here is rough but Hoopa-u is a pretty strong Mon that can effectively make progress.

TBH I would have dropped Mola but since you wanted to try and make the wish mola+glowking & Hoopa-U thing work I tried to compensate for that here.

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/fbdc4a25ea8db910 spiky shield woger is the idea to scout and chip , slither is woger check (7.3% for 2ohko from ivy but doesnt tank 2 proughs)+40 evs is for ohko on woger with fimp

[regal ginkgo]

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[quartz stream]

even this improved team still has some flaws defensively (only thing that can eat an earthquake is Mola and clicking an EQ is super free), you have to outplay and outposition to beat offense

[quartz stream]

long live the almighty slither

[nocturne sable]

It’s kinda whatever. Physdef Mola is enough to take on ground moves like tusk, etc+you also have ace to keep off hazards

Like there are teams that exist that don’t use a “ground immune” or a flying type like storm zones double CB team https://pokepast.es/8e400c64b6aaec2d

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/b877f3119953bcad

gambit weak aside

[nocturne sable]

You can try and sneak in a Tera dark resist like garchomp or something

I can see Tera fairy being decent

Or just make dengo focus blast

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/49b977033544192d

[rapid barn]

tbh id swap out glimm for something else

maybe a tusk?

[quartz stream]

average dnite set

[rapid barn]

actually goes crazy fr

[nocturne sable]

Are you struggling with anything in particular?

[rapid barn]

uhhh

more bulky teams with ting lu is an issue sometimes

I took inspiration from a guy I fought on ladder, just checking if theres anything I can improve

[nocturne sable]

Hmm I’m curious what is your counterplay to walking wake?

[quartz stream]

how often are you clicking tspikes? could run energy ball to hit tinglu for a bit

[rapid barn]

moth outspeeds it and I got 2 priority

so I could usually get it under control

[quartz stream]

yea no walking wake is every ready for sucker punch darkrai

[rapid barn]

tspikes does help me sometimes, energy ball doesnt do that much more than dazzling, no?

[quartz stream]

it doesn't yeah

[rapid barn]

ive been experimenting

tera blast does help against bulky rocks or something but then dnite is kinda useless

overheat might be an option to muscle through bulkier things though

[quartz stream]

it's funny but doesn't really work
+1 132 SpA Quark Drive Iron Moth Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 232-274 (45.1 - 53.3%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[rapid barn]

yeah no thats not happening haha

[nocturne sable]

Your two Priorities do less than 30% to wake but I’m guessing rocks+playing with your booster moth carefully could play around Sun

[rapid barn]

i was against sun a bit ago

i chipped the team a bit and tera dnite

i think their tusk got poisoned then ninetales went down

got rlly close but the booster tusk closed out the game

oh and theres another thing, lokix

[nocturne sable]

Yea Lokix is a cheap Mon in general

You lowkey just have to keep tusk & iron moth healthy

[rapid barn]

yup

I think it was like mola lokix something something

literally couldnt do anything

[nocturne sable]

And scor can tank first impression and hit back with bullet

And most importantly keep those rocks up

[rapid barn]

mhm

the issue is like

i cant set up rocks early cuz deoxys is a pretty obvious lead and i would just lose it instantly

but if i lead something else, its easy for them to pivot into a mola or something

like if i run into a lokix its just an insta loss lol

[nocturne sable]

Like against treads?

[rapid barn]

Av treads could be played around

Rocky helm chips whatever rapid spins and scizor is pretty safe

[nocturne sable]

So what exactly is prevent deoxys from getting rocks up

Hatt ig

[rapid barn]

Oh yeah that

[nocturne sable]

You can lowkey tech for that with skill swap if you want

[rapid barn]

ye but losing one of the slots kinda hurts

But I just straight up rocks first turn and ppl don’t expect it cuz it’s so obvious

[quartz stream]

https://pokepast.es/8e7c0da68f65c5c9

[regal ginkgo]

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[quartz stream]

made a meme kilowattrel team and dropped mega elo, kilowattrel just feels so bad

tried it with boots, and then because it did 0 damage, tera ice specs

what should i replace kilowattrel with?

never even saw a corviknight so competitive was useless

[rapid barn]

best bet is prob running it on rain

[quartz stream]

the goal was to use it to deny defog

but I see why it's a ZU shitmon, it dies to everything and barely does damage

[solar sundial]

Doesnt going AV here kinda leave me getting fucked by rocks and spikes without any kind of removal?

And, as you said yourself – we only have 1 knock off user here

I could like, change cinder for meowscarada and put sucker on it

[solar sundial]

Rain weatherball

Ran into it myself and its like

Still not good

But seemingly usable

[solar sundial]

Though if you feel like replacing alo you def can

Since that was a similar conclusion i came too with zacian (assuming i keep hoopa)

[rapid barn]

you got wish support with mola and cinderace

i still dont particularly love the team structure though

id slot in corv and drop mola

[nocturne sable]

I mean ace is kind of a hazard removal

[solar sundial]

When im trying to put down both rocks and spikes id be crippling myself to use court change

[nocturne sable]

Most ace teams pack a secondary type of removal

So it’s not just ace

[solar sundial]

Well this

Doesnt.

Because its hstack

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/02f8fef5db0263fdb k what about this

Oops hold on

[solar sundial]

Lock in

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/4e60f719835546f4 k what about something like this. I can’t think of exact Tera types right now but something like this can work

[solar sundial]

Yeah thats fine

I was thinking about going in a similar direction

I'll test some stuff and probably come back to you

Assuming i dont forget

[chilly tundra]

Hoopa unbound as a stall breaker has always been cool to me

[solar sundial]

Because hoopa is cool as fuck

I dont "set up", I dont "revenge kill", I WALLBREAK

And if I dont wallbreak? I LOSE

[chilly tundra]

Same philosophy as knock off darkrai, Choice Band Ogerpon, etc

[solar sundial]

Those 2 are faster

And oger gets u-turn

[chilly tundra]

Oh you talking about real wallbreakers

[limber spear]

bump 😞i think flamethrower over ice beam on glowking is better cuz corv is causing trouble

[blissful nebula]

Tera Blast Stellar > Mystical Fire

Tblast stellar can snowball and sweep teams

Hits everything

Also u should be able to manage Corv solely with ghost gambit

[limber spear]

i mean burning a tera to check smth isn’t that ideal

and using tera always flips the mu

[blissful nebula]

It should be end game type thing

[limber spear]

sure

[blissful nebula]

Tera blast stellar beats corv if none spdef

Spiky shield on Woger is just bad

You can get more damage off by using a strong attack

Taunt

Or some synergy like toxic

Where you can actually stall damage like poison

[elder knoll]

I think SZ mentioned using spiky shield/encore/u-turn/cudgel

on a TR team to prevent Hamu from spiking

[blissful nebula]

Yeah it has its niches but not on this team might as well throw a rocky helmet on something to get extra chip

[limber spear]

i got shield cuz i was just annoyed by specs bolt mu

i think encore works here

or synthesis

[unborn root]

Hey,how looks this team? I found It in smogon

I think is not viable now

https://pokepast.es/96670a1e6cd35181

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[faint flame]

https://pokepast.es/004ef56d77b435ff

[nocturne sable]

Interesting team. I would probably make alomomola mirror coat for stuff like walking wake prim etc though personally

You might also want rock slide excadrill>iron head to hit birds like zap molt corv etc

I would also make bronzong psy noise>zen headbutt & make it sassy nature

And BP>earthquake to deal damage to opposing Hamurott trying to switch in

Other than that this has the potential to be a solid team.

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/fe977916c4dd9f62 I feel it's kinda of a flop

[rapid barn]

Doesn’t look that bad

Have you considered dropping ice beam for toxic or twave?

[jade cedar]

the ice beam was generally for opposing lando and gliscor but I guess I can test with status, twave is tempting

[rapid barn]

I don’t rlly think glowking can stay in on them in the first place

I think the team will work fine as long as you can keep hazards off

[solar sundial]

You generally cant stay in on either of those 2 anyways

Even if gliscor isnt just running EQ its almost always running knock off

[rapid barn]

Oh also some small things

[rapid barn]

Drop the atk and speed ivs on glowking

@jade cedar does your team have an issue with moltres? I feel like your team has a bit of an issue against it

[jade cedar]

I mean generally from my rounds not really, in most of the team that had moltres it was easy for me to predict it but ye I can see that it will be an issue against a better player, maybe I can switch enam with something like scarf ghold, a ghost type will be appreciated

[rapid barn]

yeah like even enam couldnt rlly switch it

[jade cedar]

actually, I think the better one is vallent, ghold won't get one-shoted by a flamethrower (I checked) but still pretty much won't last, although I don't know what set vallent I should use

[rapid barn]

id prob go with calm mind

but then you are stacking a lot of fighting types

which i dont rlly like either

[solar sundial]

What about darkrai

Does a good job as a fast special attacker

Can also be tera poison for the fairy's

[jade cedar]

actually a good idea, but I need to do some changes, I don't like the fact that most of my team is weak to fairy, sure the defensive mons resists but still can get chipped

[solar sundial]

I mean, you could PROBABLY replace lokix with scizor, but i dont know if they really fill the same role

Im pretty sure banded scizor bullet punch replacing first impression is fine

[jade cedar]

lokix is mostly for woger and is a really good breaker, that mon made me rage more then anything

[solar sundial]

You have corv

You can take an ivy fairly well and hit it with brave bird

[nocturne sable]

This is very similar to a sample team https://pokepast.es/297ba69ca070dbeb

don’t think your team is the worst. A variation with an additional flying is doable.

Zama here I would probably make it offensive item here for more offensive pressure and make it easier for kix & enam to break through steels

[solar sundial]

No rocks?

[jade cedar]

if woger sds out of control it's game over

[solar sundial]

Then dont let it.

[sonic root]

im not good at teambuilding, but i wanted to use gengar and my justification is that he beats gholdengo, dragapult, darkrai and can stop some sweepers or trick choice scarf onto some stall thing to cripple it

is it a good idea??? and hows the rest of the team?

https://pokepast.es/f769979fbaab6411

[solar sundial]

U-turn and brave bird both take chunksnout of oger

[solar sundial]

You still lose to scarf darkrai

[sonic root]

yeahh i do

[solar sundial]

Darkrai also has trick

[nocturne sable]

It’s the sample. I don’t really have an idea of the tusk set either. Probably make life harder for bulky teams

[solar sundial]

Tbh i dont like most of the sample teams

This and that walking wake one just seem odd

[nocturne sable]

Yea sometimes sample teams are pretty much just team dumps from a random team tour

[rapid barn]

cinderace teams doesnt have hazards cuz you dont want to court change your own hazards

[solar sundial]

Also gengar here feels like a huge momentum drain over oult because you dont have u-turn

[nocturne sable]

You would still have a rocks user in like a tusk or something

[rapid barn]

tbh id like a pech and swap out one of the physical walls for something special

[nocturne sable]

So yea @jade cedar just make the zama set an offensive item AOA zama then you can test it out

[nocturne sable]

The problem with gengar is that there is no reason to use it over other popular ghost in the tier.

Gholdengo can already do what it does while having a lot more defensive utility than gengar

[rapid barn]

the only times i see gengar is with destiny bond

[sonic root]

ahh makes sense

[rapid barn]

not rlly a reason to use it over other ghosts yeah

[sonic root]

i know gengar is not used as much but i thought maybe i could justify using it just cuz its faster

i just want to use my boy

but i guess pult could just do the same thing but better and with u-turn

[nocturne sable]

Yea Ghold is also a better trick user

[sonic root]

is it because its got better bulk?

[rapid barn]

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Cursed Body
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Sludge Wave
• Trick
• Destiny Bond

[nocturne sable]

That and has better stab

[rapid barn]

the only thing gengar rlly has going for it is destiny bond to attempt trading for something else

[solar sundial]

Ghold also ironically has better stab with make it rain

[rapid barn]

otherwise just go for another ghost

[sonic root]

aww okay, thanks for the feedback guys

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/ea8639cc57e6629c

keldeo

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

like this is fine, consider helmet tusk though

you have a poison type for tspikes and band pult for webs so i dont think u need boots

future sight gking also does actually make sense here for once

but i get not using it that's preference

[elder knoll]

Tera grass Zap seems better than steel to me

SD Woger seems like it could get sus

[nocturne sable]

Tera dragon does the same kinda

[waxen jacinth]

https://pokepast.es/edcf87bd79b3dd07

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[waxen jacinth]

attempted hyper offences

[rapid barn]

its a pretty strange team

incineroar does not belong on hyper offense

[final relic]

many issues on this team

[waxen jacinth]

Strange as in a good way..?

[final relic]

incineroar is not good in ou

[waxen jacinth]

ohh alright

[rapid barn]

keldeo gets walled pretty easily, not a great mon in general

youd want a different hazard lead, not tusk

glimmora or deoxys speed are both popular choices

[final relic]

keldeo requires more bulky mons to support it

[rapid barn]

prolly would want to switch out ghold

[final relic]

and hazards + knock

[rapid barn]

its not fast enough, to prevent them from removing hazards you just want to apply as much pressure as possible

[final relic]

you can go with either the bulky offense angle or more offensive

but both doesnt work

boots ghold usually runs recover (drop focusblast) or you can make it balloon

[rapid barn]

doesnt rlly fit into ho tbh

[final relic]

well no

the first 4 are ho staples

you can easily make incineroar a kingambit and keldeo a woger

for example

or hrott

either way you get spikes + strong knock

[waxen jacinth]

Should I keep incineroar then.?

[rapid barn]

no incineroar

[waxen jacinth]

alright

[final relic]

or if you want to do a bulky offense for example you can run ting lu and physdef gking in the other two slots and change up some sets

like id make dnite boots

balloon ghold

etc

[rapid barn]

deff workable

[waxen jacinth]

So I kept the first three and just added Glimmora, Ting-Lu and Gking

[rapid barn]

but depends on what type of team he wants prob

id make the dragonite + speed nature

[waxen jacinth]

I'm fine with either

I just want a team that hits hard

yk

[rapid barn]

ehh then you wont have any hazard control

[waxen jacinth]

So no glimmora?

[rapid barn]

nono glimmora is a fine ho lead

id prolly keep tusk and make it booster

and yeah incineroar to kingambit, darkrai is a good choice too

[final relic]

https://pokepast.es/33bca6475e2ac111

here is what i would do

not perfect but it keeps the first 3 guys

[waxen jacinth]

I'm gonna play with both teams

and js see what I prefer

But thanks for the feedback

[vital crane]

https://pokepast.es/99fdc568fa4a0039
Ah my first time building an ou team.

[solar sundial]

Can probably just put boots on ghold since you dont have removal

Nasty plot alone is enough

[brazen vessel]

Is thes for Ou Legends-za singles

https://pokepast.es/8e38f6dec50381e5

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @brazen vessel, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9legendszaou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060682530094862477 instead.

[waxen jacinth]

https://pokepast.es/101ee67b1ddb19cb Any improvements?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/52194c4266b5d644 aight i think this is it

[nocturne sable]

Not that bad. I would make woger synthesis here for longevity.

Dengo should be air balloon here & zama should be boots AOA. With ice fang.

And gambit should be lefties Tera ghost you have Gliscor for status absorbing.

Other than that this should be fine

[drowsy hearth]

HP, Def or Sp. Def evs for Scizor? I don't think Sp. Def is gonna do much for a 4x weakness to fire moves, even if they are special, HP is there to help with general survivability, and Def is higher than HP, so its not a terrible idea, especially for body press using pokemon.

[nocturne sable]

What’s your team

[nocturne sable]

Ngl I don’t really get why choiced hoopa.m, iron hands and moth are doing here. I think you should just convert this to a sand team with Ttar exca

[drowsy hearth]

bulky offense, i have 252 in atk, 180 in speed, and an extra 76 evs for something else

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/3d6297537f25a217 i think av hatt is another option and then i get boltbeam on thunderus for better stall mu

[nocturne sable]

Can you give the team link

Like the pokepaste of the team

[nocturne sable]

What’s the point of tb fairy when torn can literally hit fighting & dark types

[drowsy hearth]

tbh my team has no synergy, I just want to know if its better to have hp, def, or sp def

[limber spear]

surprise on dragons and hard wall specs bolt (tbh idk i barely click tera on him)