#SV OU Rates

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nocturne sable
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A roar moltres could be fine here

limber spear
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do i run wisp?

nocturne sable
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AV zama can also be act as a temporary switch in for kyurem

limber spear
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that might work ngl cuz i have weezing for hazard

nocturne sable
limber spear
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✍️

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anyways thanks

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is pressure moltres ever worth in on wisp moltres

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cuz u pressure 8pps move like draco/cc/clap/sucker

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or thats like too niche

final relic
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not worth it compared to the overwhelming amount of situations where flame body bails you out

magic dome
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i’d actually consider it if pressure didnt immediately reveal itself when you switch in

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a large part of moltres’s value comes from your opponent having to play around flame body

alpine hornet
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but if ur that weak to stect kyu ur team has other problems

faint vortex
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Was experimenting in making a bolt beam physical dnite, that is what i came up with

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I'm confused, I have a tusk that spins and sets up rocks

proud stratus
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It's not as relevant as hatterene + spin or weezing

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Especially for no boots nite

stray osprey
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I experimented with different Pokémon but they all feel rly awkward in the team do u know what can replace crown

dusk geyser
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nocturne sable
stray osprey
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Ok

empty verge
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^agree with what Qua said

somber sapphire
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Yea it's always important to ladder with samples before you start team building. Checking the viability rankings is also important

faint vortex
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Do you think rocks and spikes are necessary?

final relic
dusk geyser
final relic
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wise glasses and tera stellar lets you not be choice locked and hits a few good damage rolls like guaranteed kill on waterpon

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random choiceband ace is strange especially with choice locked sucker punch, probably a better solution is run kingambit with tera fire and air balloon

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which makes you better into dnite too

dusk geyser
nocturne sable
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I think CB ace spamming pyro balls is fine here, but enam probably has to be dropped for something like hatterene for better hazard control in that case

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And yea like potato said fix up the wake and the bolts sets to their standard ones

somber sapphire
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final relic
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im not sure about stacking these sd guys

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you probably want to have a different val set cause right now darkrai is the only thing that sort of stops aoa zama from killing the whole team

somber sapphire
final relic
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you can probably do like cc moon knock dbond

somber sapphire
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ah

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I'll focus on that instead

heady carbon
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ring target!?

stable nymph
tender lark
empty verge
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This is solid but I don’t feel the need for pult you are already fast with weavile and zama. I feel you can do ghold > Slowking as it helps keep your hazards up more ways than one while checking similar threats like ival which a mixed variant looks very annoying. Then hydrapple > pult as this gives you a much more secure check vs stuff like pon which it currently clicks vs you atm.

empty verge
stable nymph
empty verge
empty verge
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You lowkey could even roar > hslam on zama but that’s more of an option

stable nymph
empty verge
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Bulky nasty plot

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With balloon

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Since its boots spam

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You could do boots tho

tender lark
empty verge
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Not half offense half defense literally

tender lark
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Should i change the samurott

empty verge
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I feel like this is more you should run samples rather than change

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Reason being is because grassy terrain isn’t the most new user friendly play style as well

tender lark
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I dont like using samples cause sometimes i dont see the direction the builder was going for and end up not knowing how to use it properly

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I can try a couple ig but i built a couple teams previously and they did fine

empty verge
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Samples is not an overnight experience if you play them competently it should get you to 1700 max imo

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If played optimally

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Sometimes more

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Pokemon is mostly playing rather than building but I’m here if you need me going forward as well

tender lark
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Id rather be told how to build a team of mine

empty verge
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Building only makes sense if you have a good knowledge and understanding of a meta

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I started playing another tier recently I used samples and got advice till I was confident to build in my own that took 3 weeks.

tender lark
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Shouldnt there be concepts that trascend gens and metas

empty verge
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No every gen bring different mechanics gen 9 ou and gen 8 are completely different landscapes for example

stable nymph
empty verge
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Looks great

tender lark
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Whatever man ill try a couple of sample teams but imma be back to build my rilla team

empty verge
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You could even do tera ghost on weavile but also your preference

empty verge
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Gl and most importantly hf

tender lark
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Ty

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Ive been playing for a bit on and off but max ive put 4 mons of my owns in my teams i can never finish them on my own

empty verge
tender lark
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Alright ty

empty verge
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Np

stable nymph
empty verge
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Np

dusk geyser
regal ginkgoBOT
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nocturne sable
somber sapphire
nocturne sable
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Lando, treads and alomomola have no reason of being here

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And raging bolt would rather run its life orb set under sun

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The last Sun team you posted was more closer to a Sun team that whatever you posted now

dusk geyser
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ok 😢

dusk geyser
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its not a sun team

final relic
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cb rilla is not good u want to be hdb or maybe extender

nocturne sable
final relic
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serp set should be leaf storm glare knock off 1 filler move

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u dont want tblast

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heatran should be taunt over protect

dusk geyser
zenith grove
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(Also a name for the team could help)

empty verge
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Solid but couple issues

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  1. Enam feels a little out of place here I could see other forms of speed control being more useful (like Zamazenta) which helps alot vs gambit asw

  2. No ground type leaves you wide open to opposing raging bolt.

  3. You should decide better kyurem or bolt. I think Kyu is better here personally so you can free up some slots to fill in the gaps defensively.

zenith grove
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So the other members of the team work well together?

empty verge
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You can start your core from Kyu + Slowking + ace from there I’ll probly start adding pieces to support that

zenith grove
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Alright, thx

empty verge
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Np

zenith grove
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I decided to add banded zama

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But still deciding for a ground type

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Considering scarf landorus therian or swords dance gliscor

empty verge
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Treads > bolt and zama > enam works asw

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Treads gives you more secure removal

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You could run the knock variant with leftovers

zenith grove
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Then treads?

empty verge
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Yep!

zenith grove
empty verge
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Hf gl

zenith grove
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Thx. I'll decide the last member based on what I have

empty verge
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Me thinks trail blaze pon can still work there

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As last

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But fiddle around with it see what you like

zenith grove
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A last question. Should I still use stealth on treads? As I have court change

empty verge
zenith grove
hard pebble
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wooden linden
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the extra boost for blaziken is generally overkill most of the time

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you also dont need double helmet here so booster speed tusk with bulk up looks like the better option here

hard pebble
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Would you suggest any Pokémon to use that would be a better fit than Ninetales?

wooden linden
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well you prob need a special attacker here

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im thinking of prob av primarina

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gives a good backbone against special attackers and smth that lets you handle sun a bit easier

wooden mountain
wooden linden
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you dont need hatt here really

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hatt is good but they have exactly one water resist and they also need something that can take special hits

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tusk is fine as solo spinner here

storm siren
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could i please get opinions on my mamoswine team

wooden linden
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I dont particularly like gweezing or the treads set here

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Treads can def just go max atk max speed with air balloon and eq spin rocks and knock off

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Gweezing isnt really needed here so im thinking moltres over gweezing here

storm siren
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i put galarian weezing cause i was trying to patch up holes in my team

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main one im seeing is primarina

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ive just played against a few primarina and im really struggling although weezing isnt helping much tbh

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i could def try that iron treads set though thank you

wooden linden
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prim is usually hard to switch into yeah

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i do think you can pressure it well enough with band mamo so at worst you trade with it pretty well

storm siren
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yeah thats true

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just feels like usually a disadvantageous situation cause primarina always gets ssent in and i need to figure out how to not lose a mon

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and then once mamo is in i need to guess whether they will switch or not

wooden linden
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i think you could def try an air balloon mon here

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though maybe moltres over dnite and galarian slowking over gweezing here

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wellspring is smth that gets rougher but wisp pult can generally scare it

storm siren
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I did actually have galatians slowking before gwewzing but for some reason I didn't think it was getting much usage so I took it off the team but yeah maybe I could try it again

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Moltres over dragonite?

wooden linden
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yeah its a stable ground immunity since dnite really doesnt like tusk ice spinner here

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plus its also a stronger fairy resist

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though you could put zapdos over moltres now

storm siren
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I see your point but I feel like that changes the team too much maybe I was quite liking dragonite on the team and I feel like it's carrying its weight

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I also liked dnite as a late game sweeper

wooden linden
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fair enough yeah

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i think replacing gweezing with molt for now should help

storm siren
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Okay thanks I'll try it out

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Maybe I'll also make a copy of the team and replace dnite with moltres too and test them both out and see which I prefer

somber sapphire
wooden linden
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theres not much point in multiple layers of hazards when webs are really all you need

nocturne sable
wooden linden
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its more so since blaziken is pretty frail so i wasnt entirely sure what to do with last slot

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you could prob put knock last slot

somber sapphire
nocturne sable
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I was thinking Tera blast electric to catch waters like Hatt

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Anyhow either is fine

empty verge
tender lark
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https://pokepast.es/33c1f1322fad9fb8 so since i already had rocks on heatran i gave up the tusk for a more defensive corv, i still wanted a water type but i felt it had to be an offensive option, and i chose qua for a better mu into gambit lmk how it is

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tacit bluff
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Quaquaval is kinda

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Bad

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Like pretty terrible

tender lark
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whaat

tacit bluff
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It is ranked but it's ranked at d

tender lark
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why is he bad

final relic
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nothing threatens raging bolt especially if it can tera

alpine hornet
tacit bluff
# tender lark why is he bad

Really annoying 4mss, lacks a lot of breaking power before picking up a boost especially without smth like swords dance it thuds into a lot of common targets like Zamazenta wellspring and it's basically a mon which picks what it loses rather than beats

alpine hornet
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but yeah not here

tacit bluff
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It's usually used as a spinner

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And even then it's like

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Very uncommon

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Spinner or sometimes a decent late game cleaner

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Like if it is gonna be used it's not gonna be with assault vest

alpine hornet
tacit bluff
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Idt that set has been updated for a whiile

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Idk just generally I think it's borderline useless except in like

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Very specific scenarios

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Slower teams can fear it a lot in the endgame but that's about it sadly

tender lark
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so should i just slap a tusk instead of heatran and then scroll till i find another offensive mon that checks gambit

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i mean with tusk i might as well not need corv defog then

tacit bluff
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Yeah

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Like quaq has the role of a potential sweeper on HO or a rapid spinner and neither of those are what this team needs unfort

tender lark
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so iron def on corv or do i change that too

tacit bluff
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Tbh I'm a little confused by the team in general

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Healing wish enam is a bit out of place here

tender lark
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i just wanted to try both heatran and rilla, i slapped a removal, 2 speedy mons and a gambit check

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that was my thought process

tacit bluff
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Heatran and rilla have strong synergy it's the other pieces I'm not a huge fan of icl

tender lark
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i just want to learn what thought process to follow when building a team so i can do it for the mons i like

tacit bluff
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You wanna build towards an archerype rather than check boxes if you catch my drift

wooden linden
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what about like corv>ting lu then quaq>prim and then maybe enam>zama

tacit bluff
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Like you do have two speedy mons removal and a gambit check but they don't rly help each other out

wooden linden
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ting adds a ground and ghost resist prim is a bulky av mon and zama helps with speed

tacit bluff
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Healing wish enam likes to be on very offence heavy teams as speed control or giving one of their sweepers a second lease on life

tacit bluff
wooden linden
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gterrain should offset some of hazard chip but fair enough

tender lark
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but do i keep the heatran or still change to a tusk

tacit bluff
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I honestly don't hate heatran

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Like it provides a lot of nice defensive measures

tender lark
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so no removal team

tacit bluff
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Nah I'm thinking more like

tender lark
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i thought that would be a war crime or something

tacit bluff
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Compress removal and gambit check into great tusk

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And then you have room for speed control

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You can forgo removal but just be careful

somber sapphire
tacit bluff
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If you do choose to forgo it entirely I'd go leftovers on rillaboom

tender lark
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so who do i remove for the tusk

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tacit bluff
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Drop zama ting, make it great tusk

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Imho

wooden linden
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oh also put knock off over rocks on tusk

tacit bluff
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Yeah this is chill

tender lark
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why surf and psynoise on primarina

tacit bluff
tender lark
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oh its torrent

tacit bluff
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Yur

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Having actual psychic coverage is good for pecharunt

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Can also annoy corviknight

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Gliscor

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Etc

tender lark
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alright thanks a lot

tacit bluff
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Albeit that doesn't change based on torrent or liquid voice

wooden linden
tacit bluff
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But it keeps the utility regardless

nocturne sable
tacit bluff
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Pecharunt is the nicer one

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Since you're actually hitting it super effectively now

nocturne sable
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I mean the liquid voice

wooden linden
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yeah torrent is usually preferred for giga surf dmg when trading

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liquid voice could be neat if you use that one whirlpool set

mossy sail
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final relic
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blissey is generally Bad outside of stall or the fattest of fat balance but even then most people would just call those stall as well

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you forgot teras on all your pokemon

mossy sail
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Oh shoot youre right-

empty verge
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Feels like a sample moment too tbh

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Team doesn’t really have an identity

final relic
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yeah i would say hit up the sample teams

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it looks too compromised to really fix without changing like 4 mons

mossy sail
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Noted, Ive been trying to make a balanced team but its been a struggle because im unsure which pokemon to build around

Notably I like cinderace and blissey a lot, so i was trying to make a team that could maybe accommodate them both

zenith grove
final relic
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that cant really happen since those mons go on entirely different structures

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balance is also like really annoying to build in sv cause theres 10 million threats to account for but yeah go look through the samples to get at least an idea

empty verge
mossy sail
zenith grove
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I'll try to improve it if possible

empty verge
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I’m here if you need

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Best of luck

zenith grove
untold sorrel
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bolt lokix team

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would really appreciate if someone more experienced could point some flaw

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I'm not seeing

empty verge
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Idk if I’m a fan of that raging bolt

nocturne sable
empty verge
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Pult or somethin could be better

nocturne sable
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I would rather this be specs if you’re running bolt

empty verge
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Def needs speed control

nocturne sable
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Kix can already handle the revenge killing with first impression.

empty verge
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Prio Kix is cool but it’s not keeping faster shit like zama in line

untold sorrel
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zama is not doing much against moltres and hatt tbh

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I was origininally trying timid bolt

empty verge
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Unless it has the coverage

nocturne sable
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Zama can stone edge+heavy slam into hatt and molt so that’s not entirely true

untold sorrel
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and boots timid elefsnt

untold sorrel
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or if he is

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he is prob not running subs

empty verge
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No they run stone edge almost always (most are offensive)

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These days at least

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Heavy slam is pretty common too

untold sorrel
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maybe twra grass on moltress could help then

empty verge
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Unless your running like pecha or bulky ghold (or another ghost like sinischa it’s not foolproof)

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Tera grass would be decent for pon asw

untold sorrel
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I really should plan more in regards of ogerpon

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lokix helps a lot

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bolt too

empty verge
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Gen 9 moment 🥲

untold sorrel
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but idk

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he really is that guy

empty verge
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Av hat is pretty decent into bolt tho with a ground type

untold sorrel
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also against kyuren

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she helps a lot

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magic bounce for bolt and lokix too

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rocks make the game really hard

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also why im tssting this tusk spread

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with proto speed I can pressure scarf dhengo

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balloon too

nocturne sable
# untold sorrel he is not running both

Aoa zama definitely runs both.

I think specs bolt works here cause it can help you break mons like gargancl which looks like you struggle to break.

As for speed control you have 2 priority mons in Lokix and bolt that can potentially revenge & speed booster tusk so I think it can be manageable if you pilot it well.

Also if I’m running mola I would probably run body slam>scald so I don’t let waterpon in for free.

untold sorrel
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okokok

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I'll try body slam

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and tera grass on moltres

nocturne sable
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Yea Tera grass on moltres seems fine

untold sorrel
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the tusk with proto speed really makes a lot of difference in games

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as a immediate speed

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although even 450 speed

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isn't even that much

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anymore

vital elbow
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I mean 450 is still in speed control territory, since it outspeeds everything +0 other than deoxys speed

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It's faster than max speed pult right?

stone sierra
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wooden linden
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val really messes with me if i dont trade with heatran

tender lark
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tender lark
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im not sure if i posted this before if i did mb i dont remember

wooden linden
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the team overall looked fine but it just needed some set adjustments

tender lark
tender lark
wooden linden
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knock wasnt really needed here and with tera ice ice spinner does well into gliscor

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plus ice spinner helps with dragonite

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which looks rough for the team overall without ice spinner

tender lark
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mmh i see but with dnite tera hogging already idk how often that will come into play lol

wooden linden
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tera ice you usually dont click but it will help once in a while

tender lark
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alright thank you again

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1500 here i come

chilly tundra
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Question y’all, can one of you direct me to the Stall server for competitive Pokémon?

ancient jetty
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wooden linden
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the team is more of a bulky offense rather than a balance so i tried to shift it into that playstyle

ancient jetty
nocturne sable
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Nasty plot drapple helps with breaking power

north nimbus
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12 speed is for outspeeding ting lu, np makes apple a breaker and u have regen for longevity

nocturne sable
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12 speed evs is most likely to outspeed walls like ting Lu

ancient jetty
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makes sense, thanks :))

stable nymph
stable nymph
nocturne sable
stable nymph
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There's a version of this with weavile which could help slightly but yeah

stable nymph
north nimbus
nocturne sable
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Tbf it’s Hstack so I imagine the kyurem counterplay here is setting hazards to limit its switchin opportunities.

I think dnite can be replaced here in favour of another knocker like a walking wake, weavile, darkrai

Also think Gliscor can be replaced with cm knock clefable to give you a dragon resist

stable nymph
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Sorry if you don't wanna get pinged btw

nocturne sable
stable nymph
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Mmm

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U-Turn has helped me a lot but I might try that

faint vortex
nocturne sable
faint vortex
zenith grove
nocturne sable
zenith grove
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Maybe my team is too weak to lando stabs

nocturne sable
# zenith grove https://pokepast.es/96cbfdde9ea7c851

Okay so I see the problem. Your team doesn’t have a proper ground immune!

Your team also lacks a ghost resist for mons like gholdengo.

This almost looks like a typical kyurem balance team though, so just a few changes I would make.

I’m dropping iron treads here, it’s not needed that much here if you already have court change ace for removal. I would replace it for ting Lu which makes you sturdier into gholdengo by providing a resist to shadow ball.

For your ground immune I would add something like defog corviknight over one of zama/wogerpon. depends on who you want to keep though both are really strong attackers that synergies well with you team. At the same time though you need a ground immunity for Lando so I would replace one of the two.

zenith grove
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I keep zama then

zenith grove
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But I'm still having troubles with stall teams

nocturne sable
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Hmm. I imagine future sight+cb zama should be breaking stall

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And also you do have the anti stall kyurem set in Dd icicle spear freeze dry and earth power

zenith grove
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Gliscor + Corviknight

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But I feel the problem is the poison

nocturne sable
# zenith grove Gliscor + Corviknight

Gliscor dies to kyurem & corv should be farmed by icicle spears if its non iron defense.

Ig you can try sub Dd icicle spears freeze dry if you want to dodge the poison. It should still be able to bypass most stall teams

zenith grove
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Change ep for sub?

nocturne sable
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Stall is always going to be obnoxious to play against but it’s the weakest it’s been this Gen

nocturne sable
zenith grove
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What about the health then?

nocturne sable
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You can go lefties

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For recovery

zenith grove
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I'll try it

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It helps, but the lack of Earth Power... hurts

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Skele walls

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Maybe a Snow team would be better for Kyurem

zenith grove
tepid hazel
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What do you guys think about rillaboom hitmonlee

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With upper hand for gambit

zenith grove
nocturne sable
zenith grove
zenith grove
nocturne sable
# zenith grove https://pokepast.es/b03b801c39d53fd3 I'm not the best with names :b

So I see you want an Aurora veil team. The problem is some of the sets here don’t fit what a typical veil team should be.

Aurora veil team should be focused on stacking set up sweepers to abuse the bulk they gain from screens.

Av Quaquaval & extender rilla don’t really fit in a veil structure, however this team is fixable though.

https://pokepast.es/bb3bf7391e895f24 this is kinda roughly how I envisioned your team.

Noticed that I made the team more set up spammy? With the np darkrai, calm mind hatt, stored power Manaphy & BU Okidogi.

There are other options you can explore on these type of teams like iron defense rest chesto berry zama, bulk up taunt Ceruledge, kommo-o, etc.

Side note: Sorry for the late reply I was on my way home when you sent this.

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Thx

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Teras haven't been decided, etc etc, no testing yet

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Also forgot to change scizor to tera steel, probably gonna try tera poison on tusk

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I was originally thinking booster tusk for better speed control but i probably need tusk to spin multiple times?

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Huh

grand veldt
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Yo guy I just build a greninja offensively team,wut u guys think

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I feel like this gets stalled out by the standard blissey dozo corv and friends squad

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Lowkey feel your pon can just be like pivot here with like knock cause you don’t have that right now

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Thanks for reminding me

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# hard pebble https://pokepast.es/7f52e37331568905

This is fineee, I don't love your ground matchup tho, wellspring is the only thing that resists it and it can't switch into more offensive variants of tusk super well either, ting lu is less of an issue since you have encore valiant but yeah

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Still with 3 booster mons you have to be careful to not concede any momentum and I can definitely see that being a problem

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Ur also deathly afraid of hazards, HO can sometimes afford to ignore them but only Kingambit can somewhat ignore them

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Iron moth doesn't like being undercut by rocks and valiant doesn't appreciate the same for spikes, it also leaves you very weak to smth like webs

nocturne sable
# vital elbow https://pokepast.es/daff5296c29a58ab i just threw this quickly at work so it's d...

Okay there is definitely some merit to a banded hoopa team but yea I can tell this team was thrown together without real testing.

Non booster Bulk up tusk seems odd here+you don’t have a proper ghost resist.

The top 3 can work(hoopa-gking-lando) the rest I’m changing

https://pokepast.es/9dd81aa20fa64bbe this is roughly how I would envision the hoopa team.

I made Lando taunt to help with removal blocking like defog(Tera ghost for spin)+ added hatt to help with your hazard control

I made hoopa knock off because I feel it would benefit your team more. Lando and Hamurott would appreciate a rocky helmet/heavy duty boot being knocked off to help with hazard stacking+pivoting with u-turn.

I added Iron defense zama as an additional wincon+a check for woger so it doesn’t immediately fry your team.

I added Hamurott as your new spiker as it gives an actual ghost resist into stuff like dengo,pult, etc.

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Lowkey you can make this AV hoopa-unbound but if you want to experiment with choice band it’s up to you

vital elbow
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Would the lack of priority be a problem here?

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Like sure sucker is prio but i can't just click it forever to clean up

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@wooden linden

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3 months ago

nocturne sable
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Sucker punch hamu is like a secondary thing

vital elbow
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Ok got it

wooden linden
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What I'm wondering is how do i beat opposing IDBP zama

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Para?

nocturne sable
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In an emergency

vital elbow
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Aha

nocturne sable
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+you have hatt anyways

vital elbow
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Gotcha

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Time to learn how to play without crutching on scizor

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I'm so bulletpunch pilled

vital elbow
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Cb world breaker punch was my main way of breaking dozo and corv

nocturne sable
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Knock+hyperspace fury can be fine

vital elbow
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Whoops lost 150 pts but i guess that's how you learn a team

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I can feel the team flowing better than the previous iteration

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It's just a matter of learning to pilot the damn thing

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But yea hyperspace hitting so hard and breaking protect/skipping sub definitely felt important

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Ok so observations, iron crown is annoying

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Iron valiant if they play around para is hella harsh

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I imagine Hamurott & Hoopa can shoft check iron crown+tera steel zama can pull of a id in it.

For iron valiant I think healthy hatt+gking can check it. You can experiment with heavy slam zama>roar if you feel iron Val is too much

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I'll test a bit more to see if that's really necessary

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wait a minute

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corviknight
without roost

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LMAO

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im sorry

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# upper needle im sorry

atp run this set
Kingambit @ Leftovers
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Flying
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Sucker Punch
  • Kowtow Cleave
  • Iron Head
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ig the ace and glim set r viable (ok tera psychic krai prolly niche)

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also krai should have ice beam over psyshock

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ty

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# narrow crest https://pokepast.es/6492956feb3c1451

FWIW this is relatively standard balance so not too much to note. However your ways of breaking my Gliscor are pretty suspect outside of ice fang on banded zama(which isn’t really that ideal)

I think I might make gking ice beam>toxic for better Gliscor prevention imo. You can also switch Dragapult for wogerpon as an alternative option.

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Also psyshock darkrai is fine it’s common to run to improve stall match ups. However psyshock darkrai would run dark pulse, focus blast and psyshock @upper needle

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Although i did get owned by a destiny bond ival once

nocturne sable
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Huh i die to rain

nocturne sable
# vital elbow Huh i die to rain

Rain isn’t really the best style so it shouldn’t be that common

Also did you utilize your Tera water mons for the rain mu? You could have used Tera water hatterene to prevent skewda from sweeping

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Again I think it’s just a matter of piloting the team

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I did utilize tera water glowking

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But i get outpaced by the pelipper barrascuda zapdos rotation

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Hurricane zapdos broke open everything

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If i don't tera water glowking i can't switch into the fish flipturn and chilly, but then zapdos breaks the rest of my team open

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Yea I'll try that

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I think the rain core was fish, peli, zapdos, and toxicroak

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This might be stupid but do i just run waterpon over hoopa

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I love cb hoopa's breaking power but this seems really annoying

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I mean sure if you’re not satisfied with hoopa you can definitely go Ogerpon

vital elbow
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I need to check if waterpon break dozo 1st

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Waterpon has power whip it breaks dozo

vital elbow
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Ok cool I'll try waterpon then, although I'm still undecided on the set

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Double stab + knock is locked in but torn between sd or uturn

nocturne sable
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Hoopa isn’t exactly the easiest Mon to pilot so I don’t blame you if you’re considering dropping it for pon. You can run 3 attacks synthesis wogerpon.

vital elbow
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Sythesis is a nice idea

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I do like having the extra longevity

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Hmm does adamant change anything major lemme check

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Hmm i guess it guarantees 2hko into corv

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Yes it does, there’s a lot of mons competing in wogers speed tier

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Unless you’re running trailblaze adamant is not worth it

vital elbow
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Ok sounds good

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I'll stick with jolly then

balmy cave
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3rd time team building

vital elbow
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Ngl switching to waterpon really helped

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Having a breaker that isn't a ticking time bomb if i mess up the hazard game feels so nice

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Also hurray for good speed tier

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And i no longer have the pp issue i used to get with hyperspace fury

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Which is surprisingly relevant

vital elbow
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What do i do about garg

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Not an issue if they don't tera but I've been struggling if they do

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I think any more future question it would probably be better to ask in #comp-general to prevent clogging the RMT channel further

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nocturne sable
# balmy cave <@614269880312528917>

I’m ngl I’m not sure I’m feeling both specs kyurem and Cb rilla on the same team given the hazard support here. I don’t particularly like the lack of ground immune either.

I replace specs kyurem with a dragonite imo. Otherwise the team is relatively standard

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Again we don’t rate incomplete teams. You would have to ask for advice in #comp-general

FWIW though you can consider mons like ting Lu, zama, skarmory, weavile, darkrai, Hamurott, etc

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Sorry, I'm still learning how each channel works worrywhirl

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Does anyone have an interesting trick room time for me to try in OU?

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This is not really the place to ask for teams.

Although there is a trick room team that peaked on ladder recently

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/twisted-magic-unite-psychic-terrain-trick-room-offense-peak-5-2015-elo-ft-azumarill-hoopa-u-mimikyu.3762770/

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1-olt-cycle-4-qual-2091-rating-peak-aura-farm-trick-room.3770160/

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The latter is the more recent one

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@deft echo

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ty

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you're kinda owned by special breakers; I would at least consider Assault Vest on Samurott. A large portion of your team is owned by bulky Gholdengo, putting Shadow Ball on Iron Valiant could help weaken it. Even Tera Thunderbolt would help while also making you better into Moltres, which also annoys you a lot if they scout Stone Edge with Zamazenta. Team looks pretty cool overall, I wouldn't really change any of the Pokemon themselves besides maybe Tusk > Lando for some removal

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but then special side seems a bit weak

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Guys I wanna be good at OU again but I'm lowkey not

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can anyone help

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not the channel to ask

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ask #comp-general , or better the ou server

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This is pretty solid otherwise i would say

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If stuff like kyurem gets annoying roar > willo wisp is a possible option on moltres

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You have to play smart vs walking wake because I’m ngl that shit looks annoying

inner otter
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And I can’t believe I forgot about Flying Mortal Kombat

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Lmao

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Np and Gl hf

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Throwing some ideas for building around grass ogerpon, smth smth hazard stack BO/balance with grasspon as speed control sniping stuff like pult and meowscarada while doing chip, might decide to go for banded if necessary https://pokepast.es/b8097ea1d008bea5

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RMT is for complete teams

vital elbow
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Mb

jaunty granite
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Compgen is more the place for building

vital elbow
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Aight gotchu

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Thx for telling

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ok if you want to build with gbro you should go with trick room or screens

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i'd prob just rebuild from the ground up unfortunately

lilac gale
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quick claw quick draw too luck based ?

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its not too luck based

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more like you have to use it in very specific archetypes to get the most use of it

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trick room teams mainly

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they take advantage of gbro already being slow

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ah aight thanks

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as for the move set am i missing something there ?

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yeah gbro usually run np psyshock shell side arm flamethrower

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theres not much of a need for surf anymore

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go quiet with 0 ivs in speed btw if youre going trick room

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aite thanks

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for trick room teams is there like a need for a quick mon or do i just full invest into slower mons

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yeah usually they go all in on slow mons

wooden linden
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aite thanks

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struggles with sun + a little slow

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i added av gking since spdef molt is pretty meh against smth like zapdos

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bulky zapdos helps with twave and checking wellspring

limber spear
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thought zapdos isn’t a woger check 😭 😭

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no it helps

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twave cripples and unless the wellspring tera waters or crits ivy cudgel never 2hkos

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✍️

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tysm ❤️

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Nothing except for vileplume is a hard woger check

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So a team needs a bunch of soft checks

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vileplume also not that great vs wellspring ngl

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It's like

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Fine

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It only has to really fear knock off and it lives that

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And then it just clicks strength sap and bullies it

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The main issue is that vileplume is a shitmon

limber spear
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do u just need to not get 2 hit by ivy and have recovery then u r a check

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Well

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No

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Because perfect coverage and encore

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Ogerpon theoretically beats everything but once the set is revealed you can see its counters

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If it doesn't have knock then pecharunt can be a real pain

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If it doesn't have play rough then dragonite gives it trouble

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Etc

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If it's not sd it doesn't have the breaking power to blast though defensive zapdos

limber spear
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✍️

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so besides dragon and grasses

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what r the remaining woger check

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(besides pech zapdos and i think zama)

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Sinistcha, corviknight can give it a hard time

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Post tera gliscor can be a pain

limber spear
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how about kyurem and apple

tacit bluff
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Anything faster than it can dissuade it

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Since it may not wanna switch in

tacit bluff
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Kyurem ohkos with freeze dry and hydrapple is very bulky

limber spear
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felt like kyurem doesn’t enjoy knock and apple gets like 40% from turn although it has regen

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kyurem doesn't enjoy knock but its like

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definitely gonna scare ogerpon out

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unless its play rough oger rly doesn't wanna take that trade

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✍️ mewheart

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gritty lake
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the second cool dragon in ou/uubl

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||i like the pult move set||

nocturne sable
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mb

nocturne sable
# gritty lake https://pokepast.es/2eaa840eedc48368

Okay so top 4 looks pretty standard(although I prefer sucker punch over quick attack on Cb pult personally but it’s wtv)

Not sure I’m rocking with AV hatterene here. I think your team can use a little more pace and power outside of CB pult.

I’m thinking SD rillaboom>hatt and make heatran more specially defensive

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Also helps with pon fwiw

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and my id zama answer

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actually no

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its the opposite

nocturne sable
# gritty lake and my id zama answer

I think Id zama can be handled by zappy given Hurricane doesn’t miss

Looking at it properly I can understand AV hatterene for kyurem.
I think you can keep it in that case. I just think the team can have a little more power but it’s fine.

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gritty lake
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Hey guys I’m new to ou and I wanted to use the loaded dice kyurem set from smogon this is what I came up with and it’s doing decent but I’m only 1200 elo can I get help with it?

https://pokepast.es/6852d305f5b91415

nocturne sable
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gives u additional pivots in this team

nocturne sable
# steel temple Hey guys I’m new to ou and I wanted to use the loaded dice kyurem set from smogo...

Okay so Dd kyurem+aurora veil is a nice start. But then you’re mixing in mons from other structures with terrain extender rillaboom(meant for hardcore grassy terrain teams) AV Hamurott and mixed encore valiant(meant for Bulky offence teams mostly)

There is comp resources and sample teams that include teams with Ninetales Aurora veil if you want to take a look at what it should look like.

Little hint: you should be stacking set up sweepers on Aurora veil teams.

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ive found gking to be pretty customizable from watching tour games

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is is necessary

nocturne sable
# steel temple Ah ok I was reading thru smogon dex and it did say that these were all good team...

Technically, they are good teammates for kyurem but each Mon on your team enables different structures.

For example: Ninetales alola enables Aurora veil teams. If you want to utilize Aurora veil you would stack your team with set up sweepers that abuse the bulk veil gives you.

And im going to be honest about lead Hamurott, it’s a very outdated strategy /idea and most players figured that Hamurott can do a lot more than just be a suicide lead on offence teams.

Again I would recommend studying sample teams if you’re new to the tier to get a better understanding of team structures and metagame trends.

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Yeah that makes sense ty dude I’ll play around a bit and see if I can’t get the tier figured out

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fathom tide
stable nymph
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i could be wrong but i love the greedy 1.3x boost

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It’s not worth it especially when hydrapple is used to check a myriad of important threats

nocturne sable
# stable nymph https://pokepast.es/1a702bcdf0d3d17d

Taunt>rapid spin and Tera poison if I’m speed booster BU tusk.

Close combat>ice spinner to KO kyurem,ting Lu & woger.

Not sure I’m rocking with thundy-t as a Pokemon but I can half see it working on a specific structure like webs. FWIW you probably need focus miss to hit steels like spdef heatran and treads

Not much else to comment from my part. Most of it seems like straight forward picks

stable nymph
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I made versions of Sinistcha hazard stacks and they performed well against stall teams but Im kind of afraid of Dondozo once Sinistcha is gone,

Heatran is also a great 'mon with Sinistcha since they cover eachother's weaknesses, with clefable/corv as a knock off absorber incase ogerw has knock off.

Curse garg is also good against other ghost types which sinistcha struggles against like ceruledge, dragapuld etc(I couldnt run stealth rocks garg since it would be redundant because heatran alr has stealth rocks)

Idk if I should replace corv with clefable and vice versa idk which one is better since corv is more of an endgame mon when sinistcha no longer has boots so it would defog and clefable is generally good

Also Idk if I should give garg stealth rocks and change heatran's stealth rocks into willowisp or flash cannon since fairy types can be a struggle, especially IVal and Enamorus

I also dont really know if Weezing Galar is better than clefable/corv

I feel like I would struggle with the tera fairy spdef dragonite set since it pretty much checks half of my team, i just havent fought against it

I may also struggle with setup sweepers so I made clefable unaware boots but that felt clunky

So far, I've won every game since I'm low ladder trying to get out of low ladder

Corviknight team:
https://pokepast.es/37cdab762faa052e

Magic Guard Clefable team:
https://pokepast.es/0865dbda919a627d

Unaware Clefable team:
https://pokepast.es/8b7ad2b234f21f7f

(sorry for big message btw)

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Ok

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🤞

north nimbus
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Oh yeah go Tera grass on zapdos

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Aight

somber sapphire
heady carbon
eager plaza
nocturne sable
nocturne sable
# somber sapphire https://pokepast.es/790e913ba8594ebd

There’s is not really much to comment since most of this is straight forward.

However I’m not a big fan of the Gliscor set. I would rather you go spdef>physdef with eq>toxic for gholdengo MU.

And definitely avalanche body press dozo for stuff like dnite over curse waterfall. That set lowkey just kinda blanks into woger.

If you’re struggling with woger you probably just drop Mola for amoongus.

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(going off paste #1 here)

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probably drop corv for dnite

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or if you want just slot id over defog

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i dont have time to give a really in depth analysis but you need a stronger knock user than just non sd gliscor

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Honestly this isn’t that bad however there are several issues this loses to stuff like ghold, pon, and even opposing Darkrai.

chrome hollow
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Any thoughts on how to improve it?

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Some changes I would suggest

  1. Going ting lu > great tusk helps the ghold issues and better into stuff like bolt.

Ting-Lu @ Leftovers
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Water
Careful Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Earthquake
  • Ruination
  • Whirlwind

  1. If you’re gonna run alo I suggest not running a mono water set I suggest running something like body slam> scald to at least punish pon switch ins possibly through para (and running boots)

  2. Run a more standard skarm set

Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Def / 180 SpD / 64 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Ghost
Impish Nature

  • Spikes
  • Body Press
  • Brave Bird
  • Roost
    I opted for brave bird since ting-lu will run whirlwind. Brave bird allows it to “check” and immediately threaten pon
  1. Run a more standard slowing set

Slowking-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 8 Def / 248 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Sassy Nature

  • Chilly Reception
  • Sludge Bomb
  • Psychic Noise
  • Thunder Wave
    Psynoise hits stuff from behind subs and just fits better overall with this structure and messes with opposing wish pass teams.
  1. Darkrai @ Heavy-Duty boots
    Ability: Bad Dreams
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Tera Type: Poison
    Timid Nature
  • Nasty Plot
  • Dark Pulse
  • Sludge Bomb
  • Ice Beam

This is pretty much hazard spam so I highly recommend boots.

Fixing the Tera types on your Pokemon.

Lastly make Garg curse and fix your tera types

Garganacl @ Leftovers
Ability: Purifying Salt
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD
Tera Type: Water
Careful Nature

  • Curse
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Thx

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Np

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Hey hey, I'm new to competitive pokemon and this is my first time building a team. Wanted to know what people with way more knowledge than me would think

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Empoleon is my favourite pokemon so i wanted to build a team around him, and after watching a few videos on stuff like team building, having a water/fire/grass core and some other basic stuff, this is what I came to. Would appreciate any of you guys offering advice

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Please use a shareable format when posting your team. This also seems to be a VGC team given the fact it follows item clause

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When you create a team “upload to pokepaste” should be an option

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Then you copy the pokepaste link into this channel

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# rancid ridge Empoleon is my favourite pokemon so i wanted to build a team around him, and aft...

Commenting on the team in general though, it’s not the worst start in the world. Rillaboom ,rotom wash & landorus-T could be the start of a decent BO core if you adjust the sets a little bit. Although the other half of the team aren’t really viable here unfortunately. That incineroar set is meant for vgc and convert cloak trick gardevoir isn’t a good set.

A few teambuilding tips in mind though: don’t fall for the “oh i need a grass/fire/water core” type of thinking when it comes to building a team. When building a team you should focus on the identity of your team & synergy rather than just having a checklist for the sake of it.

On empoleon, though it’s not the easiest Pokemon to fit on teams, it has a few niches as a spdef sponge with its water/steel typing that can check stuff like pecharunt, primarina, walking wake, non focus blast gholdengo & darkrai, etc.

It also has a decent utility moves in stealth rock, knock off, roost and can punish hazard removal like mortal spin glimmora & common defoggers like corviknight & Galarian wheezing with its competitive ability. I think it has its place on certain BO teams when paired with other walls like ting Lu, pecharunt, etc.

If you’re new to the tier you can check out resources like viability rankings, sample teams, role compression, etc to have a better understanding of the tier

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It’s fine if it’s for vgc #1051236342740308089 should be there if you scroll my fault for the yapping @rancid ridge

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rate my team quaqrash

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:/

gritty lake
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# gritty lake https://pokepast.es/471cd405c8796b77

Okay so this doesn’t get buried.

-this looks standard from a glance but we need to fix a few sets up.

-tusk set here is bleh. It blanks into birds & gives free entry to woger. If you’re running tusk on webs it should be 3 attacks rapid spin with like Close combat & head smash(for birds)

Speaking about woger I don’t really like your team into it. You have to rely on Tera grass heatran to not die and you barely have ways of pressuring it. Not the biggest fan of weavile on HO structures like this aswell I think there are other dark type that can do better here.

I think I replace weavile>nplot darkrai with psyshock here

Scale shot dnite>enam

Glimmora>>heatran

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does glim fix that

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Al so. Hits woger for super effective

gritty lake
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it loses to ground blast

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I mean so does heatran technically.

Also moth shouldn’t be getting speed boost if webs are up

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Meaning moth shouldnt really be 6-0ing webs

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aight

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# dusk geyser https://pokepast.es/f30a3d69e5cb8b53 , kind of a hazard stack is ts good

Alright I will get to your team.

Ima be honest, you need to decide whether you want to commit to grassy terrain or Hstack. Cuz like extender rilla is only for comitted g terrain teams, and tbh the mons you have could definitely go that path. I’m thinking like grassy seed Ghold/zama with that can work.

Though I don’t like some of the synergy here like rilla+eq treads. Terrain weakening eq pretty self explanatory.

If you want hazard stacking like you said then im dropping treads & enam for Lando & hatt.

I think I make rilla assault vest>terrain extender to handle spdef attackers like prim & keldeo better.

Banded hamu is a decent surprise factor but I think assault vest/boots is more consistent here aswell.

I would also make gholdengo grassy seed nasty plot with dazzling gleam & recover as your main wallbreaker.

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Alr tysm

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mb

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then I think tera poison on samurrot?? not really sure Ig

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Choice band stealth rocks harcanine is definitely a choice

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As is banded spikes ogerpon yeah wtf

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The ev spreads and sets are pretty questionable all around icl

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Darn wait

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Uhhh

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What was the command

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!gen9ousamples

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Thanks chatot

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So might as well click rocks

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I mean sure but you just sink momentum

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I do yea

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It is 100% a momentum sink

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And harc isn't even that good

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Like to begin with

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I'm just looking for any unwallable breaker and harcanine came up cos i didn't want to put rocks on tusk

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Also lemme check enamorus' defensive calcs

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I've used scarf enam a few times but i never cared to see how it performed defensively

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P sure without band harc can't break dozo

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Or smth similar

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Why click rocks and give up all momentum when nothing is switching into head smash anyway

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Barring bold pecharunt

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I'm really trying to avoid putting rocks on tusk tho

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I guess that's fine tho

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I can just let tusk bring the rocks

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It is definitely goofy, i was on hdb but i felt i needed a bit more power

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Ye make it play rough tho

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Also fwiw this team has more problems then just the sets hence why I reccomended samples like a really shaky ogerpon wellspring, tera ground dragonite and tera fairy bolt matchups

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Eq ice spinner nite puts this team in hell icl

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I suppose tera steel hydreigon can break through but that's not a great answer

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That def Ohkos hydrei

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Not yet, all the wellsprings I've seen ran either synthesis or sd

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Ok so a bit more testing and the main points i understood are

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I never click spikes

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And i have enough damage without it to break most stuff

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Play rough is also never clicked tho

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Hydreigon is cool and it does work as a switch in to darks while being a ground immunity but not having roost means it can't repeatedly check, so it's rough to keep the momentum up

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Pecharunt is a very nice check to fairies and i love how bulky it is, however with no spikes i don't need the spinblock

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In fact it only made my team more dark weak

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With less need for spin blocking i think i can make room for better mons

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Considering switching hydreigon into smth like cm or specs enam, or a flier with knock

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The pecharunt slot is the big question mark

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Very heavily considering switching to bulk up tusk with ice spinner as well

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And moving the rocks elsewhere

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Also still concerned about ice weakness

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Smth like band ogerpon, BU ice spinner tusk, wish mola, band harcanine, tinkaton, and a flier

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Anyone got suggestions for the flier slot

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Uh shoot i probably should've considered wellspring too

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Not sure how to switch into it now

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i'm making a team where i try to avenge the bug gym leaders by using pokemon they use in their teams, im new to competitive so this is what i came up with: https://pokepast.es/2f343fc39fc42f43 looking for some suggestions or if the bug mega gym thing really is a lost cause

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You should play monotype instead of OU if you want to do this

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^

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Yeah doesn't quite fit on that team

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Yea the team is odd from what I saw. I was just saying there is a Harcanine set that utilizes rocks

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Yep but for ou, no band = can't break stuff

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Or having to play the read every time

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Like the flare blitz/headsmash/cc 33%

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This is what I'm running rn

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Still testing tho

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I think this core has so much potential

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Forgot to change zapdos ters oops

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# vital elbow Yep but for ou, no band = can't break stuff

Tbh harcanine is a meh breaker at best. It’s hazard weak, pretty frail, horrible typing and speed tier is mediocre. & being locked into head smash is not ideal in a tier where zama & tusk dominate.

Sash lead Harcanine has a niche as a lead with intimidate+will o wisp which can cripple physical attackers

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The biggest issue i have with it is legit not type or speed or damage

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It's the 85% accuracy on headsmash

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I've missed like 3 in a row

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Same idea with hoopa U but not as nukey

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I mean hoopa U has the same problem with being slow and frail(physically) but hoopa-u has decent enough special bulk to find switch in opportunities(especially with AV) hits stronger and has a bigger variety of coverage compared to Harcanine

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Hoopas Typing is meh as well but not as bad

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Oh i meant like banded

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Banded hyperspace fury is like

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Boom

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It feels like it could sink an island

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rate please

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# woeful narwhal https://pokepast.es/1222e1e3fe75e268

This is mostly standard but a few things.

You don’t need double rocks on tinka & ting Lu. Make ting Lu spikes>rocks

Not a big fan of your woger Mu, Sure you have Zama & a few water Teras to temporarily stop cudgel but there is a lot of stuff here that grant it free entry(ting Lu, Tinkaton, etc) and you don’t have much ways to immediately pressure back outside of zama.

IMO I add hydrapple here over iron valiant.

Other than that I think it’s fine

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also do you think i shouldnt replace gholdengo with sm1 faster ?

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i think that team is pretty slow if i remove valiant

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okay

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thank you

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any suggestions on improvements?

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having some trouble with weavile

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I might need to add trailblaze to wogerpon too, the speed control is a bit wierd

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lemme know your thoughts*

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# rapid barn lemme know your thoughts*

Sand is not great unfortunately. You don't have many good abusers for sand in general besides exca and since then, there are a lot of zamas, pults and aces this meta and your fastest mon being 375 speed doesn't fix that.

I would say rain is worse than sand this gen tho

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Sand is good in UU tho

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yeah its like not really really a sand team xD

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it helps against other weather, and ttar is just a good check to a lot of threats

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you should probably use spikes over synth on woger, synth has anti-synergy with sand and with 2 knock off pokemon this team really appreciates spikes

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also this team looks very familiar, I remember seeing some sand team with specs ghold and av torn and exca as the only removal in some video, but I might be tripping

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You just don't click it

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Not when you have ivy cudgel + power whip + knock off

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Like if you feel like you can feel good about clicking spikes over ivy or power whip or knock off, you'd be winning by a good margin already

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This good

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https://pokepast.es/56c75a6b3b364ac2
I know no removal is super greedy with specs kyu so I was thinking of switching lando with corv or tusk. apart from that any other suggestions? maybe the tera on dnite?

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or should i just remove rillaboom

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spikes on wogerpon

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and I swapped out my intimidate mon for arcanine for some priority, status and being a bit stronger against mons like weavile which I was rlly weak to

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thanks yall!

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hmm, but do yall think I should switch ttar to a more supportive role?

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like rocks + twave

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i mean i was trying to go more for balance

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if you wanna run np drapple use this set
Hydrapple @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 248 Def / 12 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
Bold Nature

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  • Fickle Beam
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# fathom tide https://pokepast.es/9d020b55f05e9f44 ive had some trouble with calm mind prima a...

It’s obvious to me that this is supposed to be to be a balance team.

I think you can go Tera water>ghost on ting Lu to improve hatt Matchup.

Yea kyurem definitely sucks for you. Your only way of dealing with it is scizor and if I’m being honest, it kinda looks out of place here. It doesn’t really help with the bird weakness you have especially outside of stone edge zama.

Unfortunately though kyurem is nearly impossible to directly switch in on outside a few mons. Usually you would have to find a way to play around with it like keeping zama healthy, etc.

Also think this team can use a proper ground immune.

I’m thinking dnite>hydrapple & then iron crown>scizor(which is a more reliable special kyurem check)

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# nocturne sable It’s obvious to me that this is supposed to be to be a balance team. I think yo...

do i really need a ground immune? i feel like alo hardwalls anything lando, lu, tusk, or treads try to do (except grass knot lando but i only take 42-50% on max investment) and most mons that just run ep as coverage could be taken on by lu or apple or even av crown

also i tried to build around hydrapple so i dont want to replace him

(also physdef is better with geez since i don't need it as a moonblast switchin anymore right?)

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I guess Drapple+mola can handle ground coverage if you want to keep drapple it’s fine. However you should probably run boots over life orb so you don’t take hazard damage

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Gweez is not the most reliable form of hazard removal, even if it can technically defog off of everything.

wintry kernel
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# wintry kernel https://pokepast.es/2036d9aba6f31cbc

Okay so unfortunately gallade is not viable. Scarf doesn’t really make anything better

Otherwise this looks like a pretty standard BO core(molt,treads,hamu,Ghold)

You need to drop gallade for zama to help vs woger. And make bolt specs if you want breaking power

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alr thanks!

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uhh im jst doing normal gen 9 dou

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why?

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oh

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sorry

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thanks for the helpp tho

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Pls rate my team and suggest improvements..
General startegy
Using galarian-slowpoke to switch pokes in and out mainly + toxic and whirlpool as an offensive set of moves if needed.
Ditto is for when i encounter those who spam strat raising moves - ill let them use em and use a choice scarf ditto to outspeed and massacre.
Cinderace for hazzard control - it got the move court switch. And ofc, its also one of the main attackers.
Gliscor is mainly another pivot but also works as immunity to ground and thunder moves.
Needed to add a priority move to Darkrai so switched dark pulse with sucker punch (even tho its a physical move)
Maybe Iron Valiant can be made a bit better but i tried keeping coverage wide and possibly 1-hit KO those with type disadvantages due to choice specs.

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Kay

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Just IMO

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Kay .. btw im having trouble with lokix, anything i can do with that ?

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for glowking uh idk maybe boots is better here cuz i mean u r ace solo removal and prolly would drop all 3 moves beside reception for like poison move + either psychic stab /twave/ice beam /flamethrower ig

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(also run negative speed glowking)

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(+ run phy def or spdef scor with toxic or hazards or knock over dual wing slot and woger check r missing boohoo

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https://pokepast.es/406dcb42934c1308 ok so back to my previous cb ogerpon build, after some more playing i have come to you for more help. I think i like how this team is structured. kyurem isn't too much of an issue, iron valiant is heavily checked, same as iron moth. Issues have come up tho, mainly in the form of raging bolt, some iron crowns, and another insidious killer, the low accuracy. 85% on head smash and 70% on hurricane have driven me mental at times despite how useful they've been (zapdos is zapdos, while arcanine has basically stopped every iron moth I've seen on their tracks while still fulfilling its role as a breaker). Anyone got some suggestions on what to do with this team? Idm swapping mons as well.

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With raging bolt the issue is I can't switch tusk into it and it feels like it takes a chunk off my team everytime i want to get tusk in to chase it out

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With crown it's also a similar issue but less severe

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Getting tusk on the field in general feels difficult but unless it's full hazard stack i can usually play around just rocks or just spikes

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All the hazard stack teams seem to be built to make getting tusk on the field as hard as possible

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# opaque girder Pls rate my team and suggest improvements.. **General startegy** Using *galarian...

This is definitely not a bad start. This can easily be converted to a proper BO team. However there are a few problems

-your team is really weak to common physical threats like wogerpon,kingambit,weavile,zama etc

-some of the sets and mons here aren’t viable. Ditto is unviable, that glowking movepool isn’t the best & non dark pulse rai isn’t viable.

I like the core of darkrai glowking and ival but the rest I’m probably dropping.

https://pokepast.es/520f0ece19c8432a

This is a rough idea of the changes I would make to your team.

I made valiant CM Tera ghost because I think specs would sink some momentum for the team in my opinion. However ival is a versatile mon its sets are adjustable.

I added zama+dnite for speed control and gives you a better matchup into physical threats like wogerpon, gambit, etc.

I made darkrai will o wisp to help cripple walls like ting Lu & corviknight to make like easier for dnite.

I added iron treads as your hazard setter and removal+electric immunity for stuff like raging bolt.

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# stable nymph Repost https://pokepast.es/aedd74cd7835f138

I don’t have too much to comment since you have a basically standard balance core with Ursa as the obvious star man. However there are a few problems.

Solo hatt as hazard removal is not the play here. That hazard control is too weak for a Ursaluna team. Hamurott rips through this team alive.

I’m replacing tornadus with defog corviknight for more sturdy hazard control.

And just a fair warning, although wish+ursa does sound pretty strong in concept it’s not the easiest of teams to pilot in practice, especially cuz Ursaluna is super slow outside of trick room and you need play around knock users so you don’t lose your flame orb.

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although you can experiment with mirror coat mola if you’re struggling with special attackers like primarina

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Alright

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# vital elbow https://pokepast.es/406dcb42934c1308 ok so back to my previous cb ogerpon build,...

I’m going to be honest, there is a lot of issues with this team and unfortunate it isn’t good.

Half of the mons on your team are momentum sinks (mola,tinka,Zapdos) and let in big threats like gholdengo & raging bolt for free which pretty much 6-0s your team.

Hazard control isn’t strong here either with bulk up tusk(that doesn’t even fit here) as your only removal. Especially since your 2 wincons are hazard weak mons. Hazard stacking teams will have a fields day against you.

I know you’re a fan of Harcanine but it’s not a good Mon unfortunately. It literally makes your team worst as you now have a hazard weak wallbreaker that isn’t even that reliable in its job.

Mons like alomamola & Ogerpon don’t even fit here and the teams synergy in general is non existent. It loses to basically every structure

I think this is a samples moment or going back to the drawing board because this team is just not really viable unfortunately.

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if your running the tankchomp set, is this balance or BO?

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Tankchomp doesn’t really fit here since you’re not a proper Hstack

If you want a rocker that can beat kingambit & give you a good dark resist overall you can try cobalion>>garchomp. Cobalion is a niche Pokemon but it does fit voltTurn spam teams like this.

You can also use will o wisp darkrai>>knock off since knock isn’t really that useful here

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seems like a Hoopa VoltTurn team at first glance

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Ghold is kinda ok unless it's sub but raging bolt is 100% a problem with any set

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yeah you usually use defensive pivots to get it in, this team is kinda all offensive stuff with all the support roles being forced onto great tusk which means it can often get overwhelmed easily

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yes definitely whats happening with tusk

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hoopa and raging bolt is a common duo?

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but firstly I would make sure to use the smogdex sets if you're unsure on what to use
Psychic + Psyshock is a bit superfluous on Hoopa

Booster Energy + Volt Switch is a little redundant on raging bolt and there's better Tera types on both of them.

The ceruledge is pretty exclusive to hyper offense teams that can either reliably keep hazards off or not give the opponent breathing room to set them up in the first place.

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Cos it's difficult for me to infer what makes a good BO from just the samples and their RMT

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Sorry bout this my engineering brain requires smth like an SOP for things like this

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well mons is a flexible and dynamic game with not many laws of building, but there are some good general rules if u rlly want a operating procedure

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Yea just to get things started so I don't start with the wrong idea to begin with

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volt switch immunity, hazard control (grounded poison for toxic spikes preferred), diverse attackers (physical and special attackers, not only one side), general defensive coverage so you dont get messed up by one particular type, ways to deal with setup mons (heavy speed control like choice scarf mons, espeed dragonite, or phasers like whirlwind tinglu, or unaware dondozo/skeldirge/clodsire type guys, cm blissey or av tanks for special mons)

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are some things off the top of my head

vocal wedge
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https://pokepast.es/7b384bfcd66ed6fa Tried making a Specs Primarina Balance team, its doing alright, but I'm wondering if theres room for improvement someone more experienced can see?

vital elbow
echo rampart
# vocal wedge https://pokepast.es/7b384bfcd66ed6fa Tried making a Specs Primarina Balance team...

can i ask why ground tera and why energy ball on primarina? otherwise team looks cool just a bit slow tbh and lacking stealth rock. can probably replace one of mola or gloking (prob mola) and rearrange some roles somewhere.

I was thinking replace alomomola with a hazard remover and make great tusk stealth rock. conversely you can make mola a stealth rock setter although that cant promise to fix the speed control issue

vocal wedge
nocturne sable
# vital elbow I think I'm better in absorbing info from a more structured document, so I'm won...

Okay so basically a Bulky offence team is a team that utilizes defensive pivots to help pave in wallbreakers/sweepers.

Due to metagame circumstances(wogerpon, gholdengo etc being strong) most BO teams would want a ghost resist & a woger check on their team to help fight against these Pokemon.

Usually this is why you see something like AV Hamurott on a lot of BO teams because it’s a decent dark & ghost resist which can help fight mons like darkrai, Dragapult, gholdengo,

There is a few general checklist most teams would probably want to complete:

hazard control: ways to set up hazards & ways to prevent remove them. All teams need to prep for hazard game.

Certain immunities: ground is often seen as mandatory on most teams due to being immune to electric which halts volt switch spam & makes a decent raging bolt check(meta game circumstances)

Speed control: most teams definitely want a form of speed control. Whether that be speed boosting sweepers(dragon dance users) priority users(kingambit, Lokix, dragonite, scizor) good scarfeds (gholdengo,lando,enamorus,latios,meowscarada, etc) or genuinely fast Pokemon (zamazenta,Dragapult,darkrai,deoxys-speed, etc) all teams outside of stall need a form of speed control

Breaking power: you need a definitive wincon. That could either be in the form of a wallbreaker(thing of a choice specs/band user or just genuinely hard hitting mons like raging bolt, primarina, etc) or a set up sweeper(nasty plot, swords dance, dragon dance, etc)

Those are the fundamentals I can think of right now. Although I think another rater pretty much summarized it while I was typing this.

vital elbow
echo rampart
vocal wedge
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OH I didnt think about Draining Kiss

vital elbow
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Btw

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How cheese is triage draining kiss

opaque girder
# nocturne sable This is definitely not a bad start. This can easily be converted to a proper BO ...

Thnx a lots for the info. Ill test it out on showdown - btw doesnt will-o-wisp on darkrai reduce its moves coverage ?
One more thing - can i add moves like slack off/toxic to galarian slowpoke ? Slack off will make it last longer againt those mons its strong against + it can also stall for future sight if needed .. or alternatively toxic will make it easier to kill threats through some smart switching

I tried making a few changes..
https://pokepast.es/65bd3ff6240ab90f
Also, can i add expert belt or life orb to darkrai ? Instead of heavy duty boots cuz i do have rapid spin rn. (Zamezenta already seems to have high defence due to ability and all so i think i can set it up by doing iron defence 2 or 3 times and then rest/chesto berry to recover hp and remove status effects. Then i can probably spam body press ig ?)
Not sure if life orb or booster energy for iron valiant still cuz i will prolly need to switch it once or twice

finite wind
finite wind
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jst a couple changes i guess

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  1. might wanna run ice spinner on dnite..... the rillaboom terrain usage is really a big threat rn
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  1. love the slowpoke, I have had that idea for a while, but never really implemented it lol
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However, will o wisp on darkrai????

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Yea if u read the mentioned message i was reccommended will o wisp - should i remove it ? If i need a status i can prolly add thunder wave to take care of dracapult with lower speed.. or should i just increase coverage ?

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u prolly want crunch on idbp zamas ig

finite wind
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yeah.....

opaque girder
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What should i switch ?

finite wind
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crunch instead of b slam??

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basically the standard set I guess

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heavy slam

opaque girder
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Body slam is kinda needed

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For the iron defence boost

opaque girder