SV OU Rates

[celest willow]

u can its the recommended set

[desert citrus]

Mah fault

[final relic]

ace as sole removal on a garg team that also has no knock users or absorbers is very strange

[celest willow]

tbh im not sure about garg

i just put him there

[final relic]

raging bolt mu is garbage you definitely need a ground on this kind of team

[celest willow]

ting lu then?

[limber spear]

😭 https://pokepast.es/ec177d7cf6d8fea3 (theres boots gambit somehow and the more i play the more useless empol is cuz gambit does most of its jobs)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

just felt like its defensive profile is pretty unique and good overall so decided to give it a try 🙁(the team also kinda lacks pivot but then roar is kinda good to punish woger although i hv cha for it)

[bright plinth]

guys is there any good screen builds for dragapult

[wooden mountain]

#comp-general this thread is for giving feedback on complete teams only

[bright plinth]

so if i send the whole team would u help me ?

[wooden mountain]

Idt I can help you but others will

[bright plinth]

https://pokepast.es/eb447261bef6f64d this the team i wanted to put screen dragapult in, i also want to change ninetales for a pokemon that could break steel flying types

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/7f4aa7ebb942a6f3

[wooden mountain]

Doesn’t sd gliscor run agility over protect in veil

[bright plinth]

yes but i didn't use it that much (probably cause i am still bad at the game) so i switched to protect

[harsh raft]

Helmet tusk and lefties on dnite

U have hatt + spin so utilize it

Ur hella weak to gambit

[limber spear]

(isnt lefties dnite fake or smth)

[harsh raft]

No

[limber spear]

why not run other items like dice or cb or stuff

[cold cosmos]

hmm okay

but hdb for the webs

[harsh raft]

cuz he's using tblast set

Not scale shot

[cold cosmos]

is why im using it

[harsh raft]

u can play around webs with hatt surely

suggested helmet cuz it helps with gambit

[cold cosmos]

ur right

ty

[harsh raft]

Upto u

[limber spear]

was lefties dnite soulwind tech

cuz that was the only place i saw it (this is getting off topic)

[harsh raft]

it's not a tech tho

he just has good hazard control so using boots is suboptimal

[limber spear]

fair enough

[harsh raft]

So lefties automatically comes to mind

u can even try lum

[limber spear]

thought dmg boosting items work

[harsh raft]

That works asw

I like lefties more

[limber spear]

ic

[bright plinth]

https://pokepast.es/eb447261bef6f64d can someone help me with this team i want to remove ninetales and add a breaker for steel flying types and i want a screens build on dragapult and maybe other improvements.

[bright plinth]

btw thanks

[harsh raft]

Moth over pult

Speed moth

oh u want to remove tails

pon > scor and moth over tales ig

[bright plinth]

okay i will try moth but can u give me a dragapult screen build

[harsh raft]

Max hp max speed timid

[wooden mountain]

What do u think about those type based boosting items like sharp beak on dnite

[harsh raft]

screens curse twave/wisp

[harsh raft]

p good

[bright plinth]

and dragon darts correct ?

[harsh raft]

u don't have a moveslot for it

light screen reflect twave/wisp curse

[bright plinth]

yeah thats why i kept asking for one

[bright plinth]

okay thanks a lot

[harsh raft]

Nws

[gritty lake]

When did u come hwre

[gritty lake]

It's more real than clodsire

[limber spear]

“chomp is a fraud”-someone

[gritty lake]

It's not

Just ban the broken stuff in the tier.🥀

It's good i promise

[nocturne sable]

Chomp not even that bad

[gritty lake]

It's not bad

[night sun]

Hey guys!
Thoughts on this team?
https://pokepast.es/7a4d9984b2f5c04c
I've changed Okidogi from this current AV set to the bulk up set quite a few times and it's very situational. Also, Primarina slot is very changeable (I used to have slowking galar, but i quite needed the water typing and the dragon immunity helps a lot against certain matchups, so this slow primarina is the more spdef bulky pivot I ended up with).

This team generally struggles a bit against mons that just spam iron defense, for example, as I only have one proper Spa wallbreaker. So I feel like I should change someone to fix that (I was thinking nite for raging bolt, but not sure), but I wouldn't want to mess with the okidogi+kingambit core as that is working very nicely and deals with zama and stuff like that quite nicely too

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rugged forge]

im very new to comp battling, i was the type to just spam same type damage moves with my fav pokemon in singleplayer but with Z-A coming out, i wanna learn more:) Below is a team i made by just picking my fav pokemon (Greninja) and then just using smogon's description to base a team around it lol

any tips would be appreciated:)

https://pokepast.es/884265bc17489512

[nocturne sable]

This is actually not bad for someone new. This could definitely be a proper rain team with a few adjustments.

Unfortunately though rain is the worst weather based archetype/playstyle in the meta rn due to its poor MUs into common threats like Ogerpon-wellspring, dragonite, kyurem etc.

That being said, glimmora doesn’t really fit here, I would replace it with something like Iron treads which gives you an electric immunity into opposing raging bolts which is useful.

I also think there are other flying types that can work here over dnite, TBF though dnite is an amazing Mon and can probably fit on a lot of teams but I don’t see it on rain that often. That being said stuff like Tornadus-Therain can be used here aswell. With rain it can spam 100% accurate hurricanes while having regenerator to add to the longevity. It’s up to you though I’m not saying dnite can’t work here.

[rugged forge]

Ah, i might make a diff team later after i've learnt a bit more about certain MUs. I just like Greninja lol.

Thanks for the tip on Glimmora! I just saw a pokemon that is used to lead so i picked it. I will replace it with Iron treads, i appreciate it:) As for the Dragonite, its just too strong i heard lol so i shoved it in there. I will try Tornadus-Therain:)

again, i really appreciate the tips! i was super afraid of comp battling but im having fun learning (and losing)

[spice juniper]

Fez grassy terrain, any and all criticism is welcomed

[somber sapphire]

"Rain is the worst weather based play style"

Isn’t hail worse

[somber sapphire]

please use pokepaste btw

!psteams

[regal ginkgo]

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[spice juniper]

ah gotcha

https://pokepast.es/661110c59bb2e139

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Hail is not a real playstyle so it doesn’t really count.

[somber sapphire]

I would assume sand is worse then

[nocturne sable]

And hail=veil anyways and veil teams are good

Sand is not that bad, there has been a lot of successful sand teams during olt

And Ttar actually rose up in usage a bit

[tawny girder]

https://pokepast.es/bfb5ec55740933dc

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawny girder]

I'm currently playing mainly with this team. I'd like to know what the weaknesses are that are not normally taken into account to know if this team would be suitable for a tournament.

[stone sierra]

Isn’t this a yt team

[jaunty granite]

I’m p sure I told them to use this yea

Since they made a sand team that was not great

[proper citrus]

https://pokepast.es/ff46a31d1a8a628a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper citrus]

This is my main team, currently mid 1600s trying to break into 1700+

[radiant flare]

https://pokepast.es/b698f51cd5374d2e
team I made with a friend, feels a bit slow and super weak to moltres, what should I do

[wooden mountain]

Ngl ur team feels similar to the blimax team

[nocturne sable]

This is not really blimax to me. Blimax would be like subtect Kyu aceglowkingcorvlu or something like that

[wooden mountain]

Oh blimax has a version of his team where he uses specs kyurem instead of subtect

[nocturne sable]

Yea tbf kyu is flexable both subtect and specs can work but blimax has acecorvluking as the core mainly

[wooden mountain]

Idk if taunt lando + defog corv is enough removal to support specs kyurem tho

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/a73f13ccc25a12ed this team is kinda meh 😭

[elder knoll]

this is pretty close to a sample from the last slate:

https://pokepast.es/b92fce744613c01d

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

oh what 😭

[gloomy edge]

https://pokepast.es/4b7ab0e1fd689765

[stark wave]

https://pokepast.es/11e7c8072c46f9cc
Thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

Looking at your build, two things stick out to me:

1. You seem weak to Ogerpon-Wellspring and struggle to switch into it.
2. Your speed control is a bit lacking. At minimum, teams usually should be at least as fast as Darkrai, and usually prefer to be faster.

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/b73749a8972c5bc6 tell god what I should fix

[elder knoll]

You’re missing stealth rocks and your sole remover can’t remove on Ghold

[amber terrace]

Hi this is my 'Meowscarada Bulky Balance Hazard Stack' team
https://pokepast.es/033f59d3d5949b1c

Role/Purpose

Meowscarada: knock off user, speed control, breaker

Skarmory: spikes setter, whirlwind abuser, knock off absorber

Garganacl: rocks setter, checks defog users like corviknight

Sinistcha: spin blocker

Glowking: chilly reception + future sight, defensive pivot

Kingambit: sucker punch, lebron james

Feedback is greatly appreciated!!

[wooden mountain]

U should try lefties on Garganacl over boots

Sure u will hate hazards but lefties + protect is so good

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/98e3321de5e58539 RMT please

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/dfc3e8762b83201c is this beyond overcooked

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

Or valiant food

https://pokepast.es/53595069a21cca81

How about this

[mystic belfry]

https://pokepast.es/ rate?

im debating whether i use floatzel or barraskewda

[wooden mountain]

Huh

Ur link is just the default pokepaste link

[tacit bluff]

This is fine, usually assault vest hoopa is better but idt this is that bad, I'm just worried about opposing fat teams ig

You have double phasing for HO so ur fine on that front but one knocker who is also the spinner and not many ways to make progress super well against things like toxic gliscor is scary

You do have hoopa for that I suppose

It's not bad persay but some mus will give you more trouble than It's worth

The best way I can say it is that there's two pressure points if you will

Tusk as your only knocker and hazard control

Hoopa as your only offence

Luckily tusk being the only hazard control and only knocker isn't too crippling because a lot of this team doesn't mind hazards but not having an absorber is sad

Hoopa tho I can see more issues

Without it you really don't have any way to break through fat

Especially as it's banded hoopa and thus can be forced in and out a lot of times

[mystic belfry]

how do i make it so pokemon appear

https://pokepast.es/

[limber spear]

u find it here

under your last mon

https://pokepast.es/29bfc99f7bdd1ba3 this worked pretty well 😭( there r some unrated teams up there) (treads and ting have kinda the same role but feels better than tusk or even weezing works but i want a steel but this team has 0 switch in into prima)

[amber terrace]

please rate my team

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/bd7fc3227369dfd3

[wooden mountain]

@mystic belfry tap upload to poke paste

[mystic belfry]

https://pokepast.es/37d41eed4aef034c

ok is that working

niche greninja

i was thinking of changing it to a battle bond set

[stark wave]

Ya I noticed those issues pretty quickly when I went to test the team as well, I changed the team around a bit and it looks like this now, does this look better?

https://pokepast.es/17459418e3044318

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stark wave]

I'm wondering whether I should even bother with defog on scizor and just run like 4 boot mons instead

Though I'm not sure I want Meow to have boots cuz then it's kinda weak

[harsh raft]

Ngl

Just ditch scizor and use gambit

Better lategame cleaner and u still have priority and a steel type

[jaunty granite]

Also frees you up to run a tusk over lu for diff hazard conttol

[somber sapphire]

Doesn’t it also give you another ghost resist tho

I know ghost resists are great so it prob needs another

That would be 3 ghost resists then

[bright plinth]

https://pokepast.es/6a304db9009a8a3c what do u guys think of this team? Any changes that i should make

[covert cairn]

does anyone have a OU team that has lucario in it i would like to try it out

[stark wave]

I could do that and run tusk over lu as well but I'm worried about my Kyurem MU

I have pult for it but that's kind of it

Depending on the tera it might just cook me

And if I run Tusk Gambit I'll also only have rocks, not spikes

[hot dome]

lucario isnt viable in ou, so no, unfortunately

[covert cairn]

okay thank you appreciate it🙏🏿

[stark wave]

I could also cut scizor for gambit, keep lu and then just use boots pult instead of specs pult

[somber sapphire]

You can prob get away with 1 shitmon but 2 shitmons isn’t it

[hot dome]

this channel is for optimizing teams

lucario is so utterly outcalssed that the only way to optimize it is to drop it

[nocturne sable]

Lucario is a decent mixed attacker with strong CCs but it’s OU days are way over. You would get more use using the other fighting steel justified guy in cobalion, that at least has enough defensive utility to make it semi viable in OU

[faint vortex]

https://pokepast.es/34b87b29910767da
Any feedback as to improve this team? Was suggested to fit hazard removal on this team, but don't see how i can

[somber sapphire]

Bump!

[bold stone]

https://pokepast.es/613d070589b24194 I'm pretty new to team building and like using hazard stack teams. Any feedback is helpful extra info in notes.

[stark wave]

I've decided to just change to full on boot spam, boots meow is a lot weaker yeah but it's been feeling pretty good to not have to care about hazards so I feel this is better than the previous team. I'm just wondering whether Zama should be something else (prolly a NP sweeper or something) and whether Gambit should be running jolly low kick and a different tera (cuz I've lost to other gambit in the endgame a few times now)

https://pokepast.es/07deea077ec591cc

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pale salmon]

https://pokepast.es/c7487fe33801c249

i pretend kyruem doesn't exist

tera fighting not dark on corv ignore that lol

https://pokepast.es/888206e9c547254a

[gray rose]

https://pokepast.es/3336f1e182c3ed4e
Hey, I'm looking for any advice with this team! If you can help that's greatly appreciated!

[wooden mountain]

Even tho it appears ur trying to build around necrozma, necrozma isn’t viable in OU

[gray rose]

Really? I always found Necrozma to work well in OU.

[wooden mountain]

There’s better special attackers

[gray rose]

What would some be? I did build around Necrozma cause it's on of my fav mons.

[wooden mountain]

Gholdengo darkrai raging bolt iron moth for example

[gray rose]

Ah yeah, I've got another team with both Necrozma and Iron Moth. I've never really used Gholdengo before cause i don't like it all that much

[lucid adder]

https://pokepast.es/83fe59ec1160f336

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lucid adder]

theres probably much room for improvement here so criticism is very welcome

[magic walrus]

Personally I would change Val to the standard specs set (mb shadow ball tbolt and trick), change brick break on gambit to be iron head,

Change the Tera of glisc to be water and tusk to steel

[lucid adder]

got it

I'll get to work

shadow ball on val would definetly help dealing with gholdengo

[tacit bluff]

there were a lot in here huh

hollup gimme a moment

[tacit bluff]

ok this is fine, I'd opt for smth like thunder wave on slowking though. Since this team lacks any form of speed control and can be put under a lot of pressure by faster mons.

otherwise no notes rly, can see a couple holes that can be exploited, skarmory as ur only real knock off absorber, if you can't keep garganacl alive moltres or iron moth will tear this team apart so I'd be careful of those asw. scarf meow would be an option if you had hazard control but alas, its fine tho.

you do have stopgaps against the two fires. glowking does still threaten iron moth with future sight pressure. sinistcha can go boost for boost post tera asw. but sludge wave is smth you have to look out for.

[tacit bluff]

this is an overcook icl. ttar is a tad awkward here and garchomp is caught between tankchomp and offensive chomp with that spread and move choice. you also don't rly have all that much offence here either for whats a hstack core. zamazenta is fine but its not gonna be able to carry the weight of the teams breaking power on its own. Chomp could fill that role but not with that set, albeit its damage would still be decent

you'll be fine into offence, I just worry about your wincon without zamazenta

[tacit bluff]

not bad. I just don't know how much I like that zama set here. but its been working fine you said? is there anything you've been struggling with.

I noticed the 4 pivots asw, is that to help get rilla in safely for the most part? thats not a bad idea but I also think you could turn raging bolt into its calm mind set to give this team some extra bite

[tacit bluff]

scarf rillaboom is, a choice. kinda a weird pick for the only speed control aside from zamazenta. I feel like wellspring could just do a better job here no? and you can make kyurem choice scarf or specs instead, scarf if you wanna keep the speed control and anti offence ig

[humble elk]

https://pokepast.es/a897ba128e12707c hello could yall help improve this team
not sure if tusk should go knock or rocks
meant to be balance, it was built around dragonite

ok my offense is pretty bad too i think idk (from the one game ive played)

[limber spear]

for the 4 pivot part i am thinking of a steel move cuz fairy is kinda problematic and also heavy slam + idbp crunch in zama and the zama set is just i got it from the analysis page (is getting a steel move better cuz fairies r a bit annoying such as ival esp cuz my fairy resists r either weak to water or electric or fighting) the reason i ran rest chesto on zama was to keep dnite in check in case my moltres was chipped down so i tried that set

Also nugget and thanks for the rates

[tacit bluff]

Hai gmm

[tacit bluff]

You could maybe compress some of these mons to give you more room to work with, ting lu and Zamazenta into great tusk, you then have assault vest iron crown as a proper fairy check, and then the last slot could change

Alternatively you can run lando but rillaboom gets in it's way if it's physical

[limber spear]

maybe tusk+crown+kra

cuz if i go lando i gotta need some hazard removal and speed control in the last slot

[stark wave]

https://pokepast.es/eec1a921efb1ae56
Thoughts? Team's been working alright for me so far but I'm wondering whether there's any major threats I don't have covered. It feels decently well rounded but I only played a few games so far

[gritty lake]

Yea it has felt like it in tests and I tried to patch up the breaking issue with fsight but hasn't worked

Might be a scrap

[tacit bluff]

Lowk I agree

I think just try and make a double phasing tankchomp core

[pale quarry]

https://pokepast.es/d70f4372aa9bfd5e magic room HO with Gengar, any changes

[nocturne sable]

There is a lot of anti-synergy here, doesn’t magic room suppress the effect of items?

If so what’s the point of running choiced Mons like scarf gengar and choice band kyurem?? Half of these sets in general aren’t really viable like AV zama, etc

[pale quarry]

It's so I can setup while magic room is active, and also have the choice items and av after it's gone

Very gimmicky and cheesy, and not very good

But it can atleast work decently well

[jaunty granite]

Can it?

[pale quarry]

Maybe

Idk

[nocturne sable]

Oh okay I see. If that’s gonna be your gimmick wouldn’t you want choice item on klefki as well? I mean I can see it working here with magic room+switcheroo.

But honestly magic room has to little turns to make use of what your doing, and you only have one setter so there is like, no longevity to your structure.

Fwiw though DD kyurem click choice band icicle spears after setting up is interesting. I would probably make it Tera fire to avoid will o or Tera blast electric to hit moltres at least.

Some of the comments I made about the sets still apply, I don’t think that enam or zama set is breaking anything which will benefit the gimmick you’re doing.

You’ll probably want a proper pivot to send in your wincons. Azelf has magic room and u-turn so maybe you can experiment with that?

Can’t make much more insightful comments on this tbh. It’s bad cheese but I wouldn’t say it’s not explorable

[hot dome]

frankly, this team is unviable

magic room isn't a good gimmick in general in singles: most Pokemon don't really rely on their items to the extent that Magic Room would nullify their effecitveness (especially since the two most common items, Booster Energy and Heavy Duty Boots, wouldn't be affected by this), gengar isn't viable, all of these sets try way too hard to lean into a gimmick that you'll realisitlcaly set up once and probably die since klefki has bad mus into most leads

[pale quarry]

I dread the day magic room becomes viable

[hot dome]

frankly it wont happen

unless for som reason they release a gen where all items are equally broken and wont get banned

but i trust gamefreak isn't that insane

[faint vortex]

Bump

[nocturne sable]

Heavy duty boots is not affected by magic room? I’m pretty sure it is though is it not?

FWIW though there was this one magic room team that got like 1900s in OU but that was 2023 like two years ago https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/alatar-magic-room-of-the-future-1900-peak.3719433/#google_vignette

[hot dome]

let me rephrase cuz it wasnt as clear
Any magic room team will never hazard stack to the point that nullifying heavy duty boots is an actual detriment instead of a minor nuisance

so it's not really "affecting" the item

[nocturne sable]

Oh as in it’s not really practical

Fair enough

[gray rose]

https://pokepast.es/3336f1e182c3ed4e
Anyone got suggestions? Enamourus doesn't really hold up well and Treads doesn't either

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

I’m pretty confident this is a RMT.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/this-necrozma-offence-team-is-insane-peaked-1857.3763888/

Unless you’re actually the owner, raters don’t really rate teams you don’t make on your own

[uneven pecan]

what we think getting back into competitive ou https://pokepast.es/d8ddd625879fed54

[wooden mountain]

If u haven’t played in a long time check out the sample teams first

[tame hare]

random sticky web team i cooked up https://pokepast.es/d644a8fab39b7a26

[somber sapphire]

calm mind when you have close combat?

[elder knoll]

Some quick thoughts:
I think there are two main directions you can take this team.

1. The Hatterene Route:
   This would mean replacing one of your AV users with Hatterene, dropping the other, and converting the rest of the team to be more aggressive like this sample team:
   https://pokepast.es/0082b3a6628c2518

2. The Boots Spam Route:
   This would mean dropping Landorus for Ting-Lu and replacing your Crown for something else.

If you don’t like either of those options, you could try experimenting with a double Ground by running Landorus + Great Tusk.
Those build use Scarf Landorus + Rocks Tusk, or Rocks Landorus to free up Great Tusk’s fourth moveslot.

[somber sapphire]

you might wanna run sphere over it.

also
wait

rash over timid

lol

[gray rose]

I'm running Salazzle on my team as a toxic spikes setter with grass coverage and to proc poison, but its a bit frail. What could I substitute it for?

[somber sapphire]

tbh imo I think it's better to make the valiant fully special rather than make it mixed. You don't need close combat with calm mind

[tame hare]

i mean i was thinking for luring out blissey on stall but ig aura is better in literally any other scenario

[elder knoll]

This looks mostly fine, but the things I would think about are:

1. Speed control - Without boosting, your fastest guy is Rai. Most teams prefer to be a tad bit faster.
2. Right now you look like you would struggle into Gambit in the endgame.

Zamazenta can cover both of these issues but would require you to slightly rework your team.
Tusk also helps with Gambit but doesn’t really help your speed.

Also, I’m not really sold on Rillaboom’s set and role here.

[somber sapphire]

orrr you can run a physical val set

[elder knoll]

This looks really fragile into Gholdengo + Spikes

[bold stone]

I've already been testing zama for dragonite. It helps a lot but I feel like I don't have enough power in a lot of matchups. For the most part I just like Rillaboom for ting lu in grassy terrain and to help with ogerpon W, but it does feel like he kinda is just is a terrain bot.

[bold stone]

I also wanted to see if forretress was any good so I used him over treads and lando over rilla

and it went pretty well

but lando doesnt really fit either

[wooden mountain]

Terrain extender is pointless when you don’t really have abusers

[faint vortex]

Hey there! Thank you for your insight. I have already dabbled with Scarf Lando + rocks Tusk on another team which has worked quite well for me. I won't try it here because making those changes would mean my having to get rid of one of my AV mons, which I feel leaves me a little exposed to teams with multiple Special breakers.

I am intrigued by adding Hatterene, especially if it AV. I feel it would be a solid answer to kyurem which is who crown answered before, all while denying most forms of hazards.

Might I ask tho, what other changes would I need to make were I to go down the hatterene route?

[amber terrace]

Hi this is my 'meowscarada bulky hazard stack' team
https://pokepast.es/942203491f338456
please give me a rating on how good the team is on a scale of 1-10 as well as some feedback on how to improve my teambuilding

role/purpose
meowscarada: knock off user, speed control
skarmory: spikes setter, knock off absorber
garchomp: stealth rock setter, knock off absorber
gholdengo: spinblocker
glowking: general utility + pivot
kingambit: priority

i greatly appreciate any advice 🙇‍♂️

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/bb5c931cb205954f this is very flawed 😭 but idk what to do (theres another rmt above that is not rated)

[nocturne sable]

Are you sure this has not been rated? I swear nocturne gave their rates already

[nocturne sable]

I’m not a big fan of your breaking power on this team. This team looks like it will struggle to break common knock absorbers like Gliscor, corviknight, etc

Like corv clicks U-turn for free on this team

[nocturne sable]

Fwiw though this team looks like pretty standard Hstack so not much to note. I think all that’s left is for you to test this team out because this team is competent enough to do well

[hot dome]

!pixelmon

[regal ginkgo]

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[hasty hound]

Sorry didn’t see thank you

[amber terrace]

hahaaa after he gave me advice ive been working on different version of the team, i really want to perfect this so yeah. Thanks for your advice tho i really appreciate it

[desert citrus]

Attempt at VoltTurn centered around specs raging bolt: https://pokepast.es/1c7c08434c5ac1c1
this is the revised version, my original had hex dragapult as speed control instead of lando.

[regal ginkgo]

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[hasty hound]

Can I get a team rate and a idea on improvement

[somber sapphire]

please use pokepaste lol

[nocturne sable]

There’s a few things I don’t really like about your team.

-the lack of dark resist: you have a very tough matchup into dark types like darkrai and you don’t have any good knock off switch ins

-I think your team could also use some better hazard play. I think spikes can be utilized here to further push raging bolts wall breaking capabilities. I also don’t really like scarf Lando as your main rocker.

I think Gliscor should fit well with your team as a hazard setter over Lando-T. You can also run U-turn if you wanna keep up the pivoting gimmick

I also think we can do better than Ogerpon as the knocker, I’m thinking meowscarada>Ogerpon. I think it would help with the speed control if we drop scarf Lando. Plus Meowscarada thrives mainly on voltTurn spam teams like this.

[desert citrus]

Your feedback is noted and appreciated. I was scared of using meow cuz they aint OU anymore. Gliscor seems like a good idea though (Phys def i presume)

[nocturne sable]

Meow can fit on OU teams if they are hazard stacking or volt turn teams

[fluid bone]

https://pokepast.es/6b475d2fbb97de5f may I have some opinion on this team?

[nocturne sable]

This is more or less on how I envision your team https://pokepast.es/17e7b8bb6f51264b there are two more changes I made from the original one.

Corv was just a personal preference for me as it can take knock off more reliable taking the pressure of Gliscor a little bit.

Cobalion is a very niche Pokemon and isn’t that good in general, but it fits voltTurn spam teams like this. And it gives you a decent dark resist against darkrai and kingambit. I added taunt here to prevent opposing rock setters like Lando-T and Tinkaton on the lead, but you can also run thunder wave if you want.

[nocturne sable]

This team is unviable unfortunately.

Non of these mons you have on your team synergies well with pelipper or rain in general(outside of iron treads it can fit on rain at least)

You would honestly need to scrap this team as a whole and go back to the drawing board. Study sample teams/ RMTs and other resources about competitive Pokemon on smogon to have a better understanding of team synergy.

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

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• Role compendium
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Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[somber sapphire]

bro is probably new to OU
i'll def check out samples first

and use one of them to learn more

[fluid bone]

It isn't suppose to be a rain based team pelipper is here to break wall and deal massive damage but the team doesn't really rely on rain exept maybe dragapult with thunder but that was more of a joke than a real strat honnestly

[fluid bone]

This isn't really for OU I build this for a custom metagame on a community serv with special rules but I test team on OU cuz it's more convenient

[nocturne sable]

Something something arbitrary rules

!nolegends

[regal ginkgo]

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[fluid bone]

Mb I didn'T know😅

[nocturne sable]

Its alright

[fluid bone]

i'll take my leave then thx anyway

[limber spear]

fair enough anyways thanks for the rate

cuz i normally would just go straight dengo and try to np on corv

[pliant yoke]

https://pokepast.es/9261b004c1cf501b attempt at a balance I think style team, mainly cause I like Meow and Prima and wanted to use them together

[regal ginkgo]

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[pliant yoke]

some things I've struggled with are like

Tera Steel CM Latios and Will-o-wisp

those aren't the only things just ones that came to mind

stall is also kind of annoying

I am down to change most things I just wanna use Meow and Primarina, and also maybe DNite because I also liek it

[obsidian summit]

Where is the Raging Bolt sprite in the paste? Lol

[stuck wren]

https://pokepast.es/535ecf4788ae5a60

[woeful bone]

https://pokepast.es/9c1d33b16ef73d28

erm how to build balance in this meta guys

(tusk is wrong)

[obsidian summit]

Every Tusk set is good on balance except maybe Bulk Up

Also why Iron Moth?

I thought Iron Moth was an HO mon

[wooden mountain]

This is more of a bulky offense/offense team than a balance

[obsidian summit]

Yeah Iron Moth is something you don't see on balance

[woeful bone]

umm i can't think of a fire wallbreaker, any suggestions?

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/dd226c252661db85
I'd go ahead and try this imo

[gritty lake]

Ngl

Zap>molt woger>prim

Would be better?

[wooden linden]

Meh

You could

Decently worse into dnite though

[woeful bone]

https://pokepast.es/384e57b2eca45bdd

new thing

i remembered using heatran sometimes in gen 8 years ago, does it fit in the current meta?

[woeful bone]

i mean fairy on prim can be used

[wooden mountain]

Isn’t that a really common BO

[gritty lake]

Helmet tusk

[gritty lake]

It is?

[wooden mountain]

Idk I’ve seen that 6 mons a couple of times

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/2a10fc5d177b5c1d
Heatran is an alright member

[woeful bone]

alr thanks

[woeful bone]

yeah lol, should i add ccombat?

[faint vortex]

Follow-up on advice from Pink Stork, I made a change to remove Iron Crown and add AV Hatterene to this team for hazard control. Any feedback would be appreciated https://pokepast.es/c894f3677f753b6f

[regal ginkgo]

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[desert citrus]

CB Weavile: https://pokepast.es/59cabf84b41510d7

[shell nacelle]

Thoughts on this? Want to have something consistent and enable kyurem

https://pokepast.es/45196c81f1e36883

[vocal egret]

https://pokepast.es/819fb6a97ee1cd85

[empty verge]

Webs with no set up is a bit odd all things considered

[empty verge]

Like the attempt but polteagiest and LO pult are odd choices. I suggest committing to the two types of HO veil or webs

Also Kingambit is usually faster and run low low kick on HO but that’s more of a suggestion

[nocturne sable]

You don’t really need webs to enable a breaker like specs kyurem. Most web teams are ran to enable set up sweepers like Manaphy, gholdengo, raging bolt, etc that won’t naturally outspeed threats on their own.

Specs kyurem actually needs good hazard control and sturdy pivots to enable it. Glowking and cinderace are fine here so just drop araquanid and rillaboom/dragapult for corviknight and ting Lu

Kyurem is a bulky mon on its own it can take hits from Pokemon faster than it like waterpon etc. the problem is just the hazards since it’s weak to rocks

[shell nacelle]

Appreciate the feedback brother -

[stuck wren]

https://pokepast.es/d7c28e3303d0354a

[wooden mountain]

Wellspring looks very irritating for this team

[somber sapphire]

It's gets 5'0d by it which is pretty bad i ain't gonna lie.

especially when it has cud, whip, knock, play rough

[nocturne sable]

I wouldn’t say Ogerpon straight up 6-0s this team. MU looks rough a little but he has HP invested lefties gambit which can switch in waterpon at least once.

He also has torn which outspeeds and kyurem that can switch in to both stabs

And a ace that can revenge kill if non Trailblaze

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/fdb9f3f8e5082c4d is this it chat

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

Maybe corv can be idbp

[stone sierra]

Corv gking and no ting😭

[stuck wren]

thats my main issue rn

[worldly quarry]

https://pokepast.es/8076377113c86fd4

Hi, here is my Grassy Terrain team.

• I definitely have too many knockers. Which should I take off and why?
• I don't know when to click Spikes on Ogrepon. When should I click spikes instead of U-turn?
• I do find Tusk to be really good for me. Is this set a good fit?
• What threats am I missing to cover on this team?

Answering even partially any one of these question would be really helpful. Thank you

[tacit bluff]

Hi I'll get to this in a second

[worldly quarry]

Awesome, thank you @tacit bluff

!

[tacit bluff]

Np

[tacit bluff]

So this is ok, 3 knockers is actually pretty normal for hazardstack, if you really wanna remove one you could make rillaboom high horsepower or imo the better option make ogepron power whip

You'd normally click spikes on ogerpon in front of things that ogerpon threatens a lot, like alomomola, ting lu or sometimes even great tusk, usually these mons don't want anything to do with ogerpon and that's when you can reveal spikes if they switch out, it forces a lot of switches due to how powerful it's dual stabs and breaking ability is, so you use it when you can force something out, (you don't do this all the time, sometimes you wanna switch things up to not lull your opponent into a sense of comfort, you can maybe u turn as they switch into an ogerpon check instead

My main issue with this team is that kyurem is a major threat. Specifically earth power kyurem, it can really put you through hell in the lategame you have some checks but it's something you have to be very careful around, heatran doesn't have flash cannon to threaten it outside of tera and Gholdengo is also being tasked as the spinblocker and primary speed control of the team

There are some options you can take, I noticed this team lacks a bit of offence on the special side so specs valiant can be a fit, I'm honestly not too sure how necessary rillaboom is here, I feel you could ditch the hstack and make ogerpon the swords dance user instead, leaving rillaboom's slot open for valiant and then that coupled with heatran and scarf Gholdengo should be able to keep kyurem down.

Ting lu is another option, but it and rillaboom have some anti synergy

I can also try to test this out myself, ultimately the best way to figure out the gaps is to just keep testing and then see what goes wrong

But at the same time I like rilla here

There's definitely a couple quirks tho

Rilla and ogerpon have decent synergy you should just rly put power whip on ogerpon

[worldly quarry]

Alright! I'm changing Ogerpon to Power Whip and considering how to deal with other threats through practice, including the gameplan against Kyurem.

Thank you for the indepth analysis of the team

I'll also think of which member I can change to a special attacker

[wooden linden]

im thinking smth over tornt here. scarf enam provides a strong special attacker and healing wish

with scarf enam you can prob put another item over ghold. bulky np with air balloon looks very good for both kyu and zama

[tacit bluff]

That's also a good shout actually ^

[worldly quarry]

Ok, I will try that. I have been relying on TornT as a lead vs a lot of teams, like anything slower with hazards or pivoting move and Araquinid. I also have been using Scarf Ghold as speed control obv. How would this team change in its lead? Would it usually be Heatran and Oger?

I've been using TornT as a crutch basically bc I don't know what to lead lol

[wooden linden]

rilla should be fine enough to lead

vs araq you can sd then threaten the team decently well

and against other stuff it still has priority + knock

[worldly quarry]

Oh, I've been too scared to ever lead it lmao

That makes sense

Should I go Timid for DDance Kyurem? Looking through the team, I see Oger and Rilla giving it setup opportunities

I do know to not send those out recklessly though

I don't know what the best practice is, though

[wooden linden]

timid should be fine yeah

dd kyu is pretty scary vs your team so timid helps with that

also the occasional max speed deo

[worldly quarry]

Ok that's good know, thank you

[worldly quarry]

Wow, those changes were amazing. I won 5 in a row just now

Thank you two @wooden linden @tacit bluff

[tacit bluff]

Anytime

And good job!

[worldly quarry]

Thank you!

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/161d0e38c6b3a05e a fat with torn-t as speed control thanks in advice

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

@ou raters

[tacit bluff]

Idt defog corv is what you want here

Imo go like, iron treads, drop ghold for pecha, make darkrai plot and then a flying type

Moltres or zap seem fine

Av torn even

[nocturne sable]

I’m not really a big fan of clodsire and this team is insanely weak to kyurem so you have to address that.

I think I would go tinkaton here over clodsire. I honestly don’t see how clodsire is useful here unfortunately.

Tink can be your rocker and knocker at the same time while being a soft check to kyurem.

I also think I would make tusk close combat over taunt. Close combat can do enough chip to corv to force a roost and also helps you break ting Lu.

[limber spear]

would glowking work on that spot too?

tinka seems pretty nice tho

after a second thought maybe tinka is better cuz tusk gets less things to do

[shell nacelle]

Ok - updated my team for kyurem blizzard spam.

Any suggestions on tuning it finer?

https://pokepast.es/d1e6c6d248093842

[magic dome]

this team structure (specs kyurem) used to be really common and this looks really similar to those older teams

the main issue im seeing here is the ting lu setting up hazards + cinderace court change

you could try rest sleep talk ting lu, which used to be standard on this structure

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/be51f9e81c04fb50 feels so hard to have a proper ppm check and ghost resist here, built around specs ghold

Tempted to replace kyu with boots bolt?

[shell nacelle]

Def. I’m a do rest talk with EQ and ruination

[magic dome]

sounds good

[dusk geyser]

https://pokepast.es/eed4751785d2eeb5 i like this team i have played some with it but i always find the hatt lacking and maybe need a better sp atker or fairy type

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Where is your rocker?? Hazards are kinda mandatory on balanced teams especially If your building around a specs breaker

[stone sierra]

rocks over knock on tusk ig?

[nocturne sable]

Definitely do that for now

[green bison]

ok can somebody help me figure out why this team seems to work so well for me?

https://pokepast.es/6d356eb83f16110a

I try to build functional teams and I've tried hard to do so and failed a lot in the best but I consistently climb up to 1200-1400 with this team and I cant really put a finger on why this team is so successful and the other ones aren't

[nocturne sable]

Well if I’m being honest, 1200-1400 isn’t that high and is pretty much what is considered “low ladder”. as for why you think this team is more successful than your other ones is probably because there is a lot of cheesy sweepers on your team with Aurora veil which can pick up some cheap wins.

If I’m being honest though the 1200-1400s isn’t really a good level and basically anything can be used to climb to that level. Your team isn’t really optimal for a veil team but I think you have the right idea.

There is a veil sample team which I think is a really decent example of what an ideal veil team looks like.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams-new-samples-added-post-wcop.3712513/

The problem with your team here is that 4/6 of the mons you’re using are not Viable in OU. Crabominable, sandaconda raichu and gallade aren’t good in OU. Although they might have worked for you in the 1200s-1400s it won’t work at higher levels

Teapot however is good here though I would recommend changing the the set to this

Polteageist @ White Herb
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 Spe
Tera Type: Fighting
Bold Nature

• Shell Smash
• Shadow Ball
• Tera Blast
• Strength Sap

With veil giving polteageist additional bulk, cursed body to disable moves and strength sap to lower attack while gaining full hp back makes polteageist harder to take down while having snowball potential too.

[vernal light]

https://pokepast.es/a1ed751a82e8265f so I might've been cooking with a hawlucha team, I've been getting it to work quite well but I can tell it has much potential in higher ladder

[tawny girder]

https://pokepast.es/e56dee135c6f3719

revenge dragonite

[coarse canopy]

https://pokepast.es/46df24198bc4fb94
came up with an enamorus team but im not too sure how well it'll do. anyone got any suggestions on how i can make it better?

[stone sierra]

Should I go bolt over kyurem for another pivot and prio?

[void harbor]

heyy is this where i can send my team so you guys can help me improve it/

Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
Ability: Electric Surge
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 8 HP / 4 Def / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Thunderbolt
• Dazzling Gleam
• U-turn
• Volt Switch

Iron Valiant @ Choice Specs
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Psychic

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Def / 244 SpD
Impish Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bullet Punch
• Roost
• Knock Off

Mew @ Psychium Z
Ability: Synchronize
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Cosmic Power
• Stored Power
• Roost
• Ice Beam

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Protective Pads
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Surging Strikes
• Taunt
• U-turn

Dragonite @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Roost
• Fire Punch
• Wing Attack

this is my current team and i want to make it better , the format is natdex OU { and sorry if i sound like a noob i am very new to pokemon battles }

i struggle against drought team and teams with chansey

[nocturne sable]

There should be a channel for Natdex OU #1059714627384115290. This is for SV OU

[low aspen]

that's nd one go to #1059714627384115290

[nocturne sable]

And you should use pokepaste in the future to send teams to make it easier to read

[void harbor]

oh oki tysm

how do i make pokepaste?

[wooden mountain]

https://pokepast.es/ paste ur team then upload

[nocturne sable]

Should be here

Then you copy the pokepaste link to the chat

[void harbor]

oooh oki tysm

one last question xD

where can i go to find the best teams for natdex ou?

[nocturne sable]

The Natdex OU sample teams

[void harbor]

oki tysm

[glossy merlin]

For doubles ou.
Idc if the movesets or Mon choices seem weird it's fun to play and I stole it of YouTube but what should I do with the evs for my mons
https://pokepast.es/fc9afe650e7dafed

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @glossy merlin, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[glossy merlin]

Oops

[nocturne sable]

Btw this is like a rough idea of the changes I would make to your team https://pokepast.es/3911143fdefb4e31

the combo of Treads-darkrai and fez can help you play around the ghost MU. Fez also gives you a decent check to opposing darkrai and iron valiant

I added dragonite and Ogerpon over tornadus and kyurem. Dragonite solidifies your waterpon MU, you do have the option to change the set to a DD one if you want. Ogerpon I added here as a Mon that can help pressure ting Lu and a switch in to keldeo and prim surf. It also helps you pivot around as it forces a lot of switch ins like pecharunt,corv, etc which dengo can take advantage of.

[stone sierra]

interesting team

[nocturne sable]

I changed darkrai to boots to allow it to at least switch in on a shadow ball without worrying about hazard chip.

Recover on dengo might seem odd but it’s useful when you trick the specs. And also focus blast is kinda a bad move to be locked into imo. Ghold already has two spammable stabs it wants to be clicking most times

[dusk geyser]

https://pokepast.es/eed4751785d2eeb5 i like this team i have played some with it but i always find the hatt lacking and maybe need a better sp atker or fairy type

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweed-highway-blue-sky-gif-14068616

[magic walrus]

If ya want a good sp attacker that is also a fairy, try specs enam. Ur playing webs so this is a good option.

And where are ur teras ?

[dusk geyser]

Didn't work on them yet

[magic walrus]

And I would probs change bolt into standard booster set

[dusk geyser]

I mostly just clutch with tera dark gambit

[magic walrus]

Since u probs don’t need para as u have webs

[dusk geyser]

Yeah I might

Most of the time I don't even click that move

https://pokepast.es/c18d1859b0717e1e

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/fafd7de2c2c5f724 😭 a minorly revised version of the previous team

[harsh raft]

u don't need lefties on araq g

red card/custap/sash are better

[dusk geyser]

yeah

i will show my team rn

https://pokepast.es/6cea15d2700087d1

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[harsh raft]

that works asw ig

u can also try dbond>sneak on ceru

u have double priority already and dbond helps remove tusk

[shell nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/d1e6c6d248093842

I want to fit priority on this team somehow, any suggestions?

Also ting lu’s set is different than shown, it’s rest talk EQ ruin

[dusk geyser]

yeah but with shadow sneak i can bring other ceru to sash or kill if not sash

i just keep changing moves and item as i go

its my first time in this format

it was a para spread team before with t waves body slams and nuzzle but it turned into webs ho now

[harsh raft]

That scenario is way too specific

you'll play the tusk headlong into ceru scenario way more

u can try both as u go

[dusk geyser]

yeah i will try d bond too

[fathom tide]

https://pokepast.es/2f2d119909e9aefd one of my first teams, i feel like corv isnt good enough for removal and i also dont like how tera ghost on lu/alo is my only great zenta check

also the pokepaste is wrong its uturn instead of id on corv

[faint vortex]

Like an addict, I'm going for another bump

[celest summit]

the best ou team https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1296048

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Yeah no this is unviable sorry

None of these mons are even ranked OU, you have a sticky webs lead without any good abusers, for some reason slush rush alo sandslash and no snow etc etc

[somber sapphire]

why does chandelure have dark pulse instead of shadow ball

[celest summit]

my teambuilding is beyond the current metagame

[somber sapphire]

not to mention chandelure sucks

[celest summit]

chandelure based

[somber sapphire]

just use ghold lol

[nocturne sable]

Listen if you’re posting a troll team this is not really the channel for this

[tacit bluff]

Nah it's just bad 💔

If ur using this for fun cause you like it then go ahead but if you want a serious rate I'd just tell you to scrap this immediately

[celest summit]

not a troll team, i use it alot

and i get wins

[celest summit]

thats inferior to chandelure

[tacit bluff]

At what elo

[celest summit]

big elo

[tacit bluff]

Which is

[celest summit]

big

did u not see the first word

heres another masterpiece https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1296047

[tacit bluff]

Numbers, I need numbers

[somber sapphire]

Thats also unviable

[tacit bluff]

^

[celest summit]

you mistyped viable, u dont need the "un" part

[somber sapphire]

Tbh you seem new so i'd recommend looking at the viability rankings and sample teams to understand the tier more

[celest summit]

i play by my own rules

and i get them wins

[somber sapphire]

What i'm saying is
There is not a single mon on these 2 teams that is actually good

[barren ridge]

Don't misuse the RMT channels, only post here if you're looking to have your team optimised

@celest summit

[celest summit]

thats what im looking for

[barren ridge]

evidently not

[celest summit]

i want my epic teams rated

its called "rate my teams ou"

[barren ridge]

your team is unviable for OU

you were told as much

[somber sapphire]

I told him to use samples

[celest summit]

thats why i posted the 2nd one

they just couldnt understand the genius of the first ;3

[barren ridge]

they're both unviable

[nocturne sable]

You been told by like two people that the team in unviable. If you want to think your team is good then so be it. But if you’re not willing to listen to advice it’s best not to keep ragebaiting/trolling.

[barren ridge]

as they said, you need to use samples

if you continue you'll be restricted from the competitive channels

please knock off the trolling

[celest summit]

restricted from competitive cuz im trying to actually create new competitive stuff instead of copy pasting from ur samples

gatekeeping much

[tacit bluff]

Competitive is when 6 unviable mons

[celest summit]

if thats what u believe :p

[ancient juniper]

if you get wins then why bother getting help

[celest summit]

there's always room for improvement, just because you use ur meta doesnt mean its perfect

thats why im here to see what can be done with off meta pokemon for competitive play

[ancient juniper]

well clearly you dont care because people tried to help you and you immediately brushed them off

[celest summit]

saying "use our meta or fuck off" isnt helping sorry to say

[tacit bluff]

Correct this is why we see pokemon like galarian weezing Tornadus-T and a handful of others rise and some less notable ones like meowscarada fall

[celest summit]

i want genuine advice on what could be done for the pokemon

[tacit bluff]

The advice is these pokemon get shattered by the most common mons in the metagame

[celest summit]

name a few and ill say what on my team counters them

masqurain alone counters alot of meta pokemon like landerous and ogrepon while being able to set up

[barren ridge]

that is not what anyone said, that you interpret it that way is not the issue of the volunteers we have here. You were suggested to use an OU sample to see how the metagame functions. Many of the mons you are using are simply not viable outside of low ladder where people don't know how to play, especially without the support of mons which can actually function in OU

If you don't like that please don't use the RMT channels

debating the purpose of a shitmon is not the purpose of the RMT section

[celest summit]

u said that i was trolling and that i would be banned from the competitive channels, how is that my interpretation?

[barren ridge]

I am not a rater, raters had plenty to say before I had to join to this discussion because you kept going on.

[nocturne sable]

Okay I would gladly help on that. Most of your Pokemon have too low of a BST to actually be effective in OU. FWIW though there is a team that utilized one of the mons you’re using(sandslash) on a snow team with Ninetales as a snow and veil setter if you want to look into that

[nocturne sable]

I’m guessing from the mons you’re using you want to build something like a cheesy HO team that utilizes webs or screens? There is a decent amount of “non meta” Pokemon that have a niche on structures like these

[tacit bluff]

Try blaziken or hell okidogi is kinda ok on those structures too

It likes the lowered speed and it has good bulk to setup in front of most things

[nocturne sable]

Like for example this veil team sees the usage of Pokemon that aren’t really “meta” like Kee berry comfey and polteageist and have been pretty successful https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-mu-fish-dondozo-veil-peak-2014-top-20.3769237/#google_vignette

[tacit bluff]

Immune to lando intimidate and can ohko it with an ice punch asw

[magic dome]

what do you do when tera ground dragonite clicks dragon dance?

im earthquake ice spinner dragon dance roost

[celest summit]

nah, i'd win

[celest summit]

i use sandslash for its ability to counter most stall/setter pokemon like toxapex, glimmora and others. thats why i run heavy boots and rapid spin also along with the other pokemon being off meta makes it so that its hard for the opponent to predict what i'll do and the intention of that specific team is to enable safe swaps with the team being able to nullify about 10 out of the 18 types

[celest summit]

i prefer malamar to okidogi since its superpower is free and its quite bulky

[tacit bluff]

Issue is malamar is just way worse defensively and isn't even all that strong

Like for instance malamar is a bit pathetic into iron defence Zamazenta even with the defence boosts from superpower but okidogi can shut down it's gameplan with taunt and turn it into setup fodder cause it takes body press way better

Okidogi is definitely still niche, but if you want a niche mon that's actually really strong in the right situation I reccomend the dog

If malamar is also trying to be an answer to opposing webs, that's fine but then in that case you could use serperior

Hell there's some strats with court change cinderace and serperior on webs teams which can be rly funny

Serp isn't very strong immediately either, but it's much faster and boosts quicker with stab and a +2 boost rather than plus 1

[jaunty granite]

Why are we entertaining this exactly

They’re clearly a troll and I’m going to comp mute if this keeps up

[celest summit]

not a troll actually, im trying to get genuine competitive advice for my team without just mindlessly switching to the meta. if you dont want to "entertain" people not playing a game how you want them too thats fine just dont go on the internet since its full of this.

[nocturne sable]

FWIW sandslash was used similarly here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoYFzTjV-Ss

[celest summit]

ive seen serviper but as you've stated its more relient on the opponent to make the move for you (though sticky web is quite common in singles) and even if i were to use court change i would still need 3 pokemon for that strategy

[celest summit]

in that video he uses fire tera for sandslash, even though im almost never going to tera it wouldnt ghost be better since it not only stops a 4x weakness like fire but it also gives an immunity (basically a free turn if you read your opponent) and imo fighting moves are more common especially with stuff like body press. also i want to add stealth rocks but should i get rid of iron head or ice spinner, i know spinner has more utility but the steel typing of iron head is quite useful

actually the same with knock off also im not getting rid of earthquake cuz as i said it makes it able to kill the pokemon it counters being glimmora and toxapex

[clever rover]

“Mindlessly switching to meta”

Even shadow milk cookie is envious of your deceit

[celest summit]

crk reference

[clever rover]

Anywho this is a competitive channel in a competitive server

If it’s good

It’s meta

Like this applies to CRK too

[celest summit]

yeah but there are ways to play competitive without strictly using meta only and crk isnt really a good example since its way more restrictive. a better one would be like yugioh or something

[clever rover]

I don’t like seeing FS MMB PV Dough HBC SMC ESC all day long but only them (and couple of others) are actually good

And usable

[clever rover]

Yugioh you can win with matchup and simply lucky draws

[celest summit]

just like pokemon

[clever rover]

Technically a non meta team can win vs meta teams here, but the odds are not as in your favor with a meta team

There is only two paths 99.867% of the time

Meta team and be better at winning

Non meta team and not be as good at winning as a meta team

The sliver of non meta that wins always end up becoming meta if they prove to be good at winning

[celest summit]

thats why meta exists :p

[celest summit]

not all the time, its most a rock paper scissors type of game

meta, anti meta and off meta can co exist

[clever rover]

Good teams usually beat more than just a single matchup

I can also use Beyblade as an analogy… but still, if it beats meta better than other existing things, it will become meta

If it specifically beats a singular relevant archetype effectively it can be called anti meta

But honestly off meta teams are just extreme matchup fish at best

Like that one team with quick claw iron hands and Tera electric frosmoth

Off meta and plain outclassed are imo different things

[celest summit]

funny frosmoth

[clever rover]

Like i would not use gardevoir when we got iron valiant

Or flygon when we have garchomp

Or Kommo-o when we have koraidon

Etc

Off meta in my eyes is just a sugarcoat term for outclassed shitmon

Anti meta is just meta counter pick that is lower in usage but still does that specific role better than anything else

[celest summit]

shitmon best mon tbh

[clever rover]

Like hydrapple, Lokix, etc

[celest summit]

also i just thought of another question for sandslash, would it be better to use air balloon. i lose the ability to have it be safe on multiple switch ins and also its immunity to stealth rocks but it gains immunity to ground type attacks (a weakness of its) and still unaffected by the spikes

i assume yes since the ground immunity should be way more beneficial then the stealth rocks

but i also just thought, i could benefit off the opponents ninetails with slush rush and then iron head to 1 shot it before it gets the reflect up. if im doing this what is the baseline speeds for meta ninetails sets. also i'll be moving to the other channel since i just realised this theory crafting may be off topic.

[nocturne sable]

Yea question like these are better for #comp-general

[paper chasm]

looks to me like you get them losses more

[faint vortex]

Specs Kyurem Balance https://pokepast.es/e32b5dcc12944e38

[stone sierra]

4/6 for a sample team

🥀

[elder knoll]

You need a ground or you just get volt switched on

[faint vortex]

yup

[faint vortex]

how about sd gliscor?

[elder knoll]

Over who?

[faint vortex]

Zama

keep gambit priority

[elder knoll]

It’s probably worth trying

Your team might be too slow then though

[faint vortex]

that could be a problem

unless I remove gambit

make gliscor tera ghost sd knock facade

or fairy

[candid niche]

So guys, I put together this team without the intention of it being very good, but then I started playing with it and realized that it is relatively consistent for the format, I still have some difficulty choosing types of terrain, but I'm trying to put together unusual teams with some competitive potential, would you make any changes to this group?
(I hope the link is working...)
https://pokepast.es/7e058c0d67f290dd

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest willow]

https://pokepast.es/d5dc24eb55381c53
Ursaluna double regen

[celest summit]

If your not losing then your not winning :p

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/861d971f5c23463c pivot spam

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/55a4921582a6c523 no thoughts 😭(just a revised one of the old stuff maybe the fairy resist is kinda lacking)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[magic walrus]

I need a speed control tho

Quick repost https://pokepast.es/7bfa4d68c1988ba3

[viral flame]

i know the team might be bad, im trying to move from natdex to here. https://pokepast.es/10b53f66059576d9

[shell nacelle]

Chandelure has very few switch ins

[celest summit]

It actually has quite a few, being fully immune to 3-4 common types (fighting, normal,fire which boosts it and ground if balloon or flying tera) and being able to get switch in to control speed by being immune to rapid spin and beating the most common defog pokemons though sometimes you may need to tera. Also if u build it with abit of bulk like mine it obviously adds some survivability allowing for more switch in opportunities

Also it has good potential for switch outs and trapping too with fire spin being a really underrated move

I've had multiple games where I've swept full teams of meta pokemon by just using it alone

[shell nacelle]

I mean, that it’s hard to switch in on a well positioned chandelure.

[celest summit]

Well, case in point

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/9b08ff4cca5f728a
help suggest improvements for this team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Alright so here is a few problems with your team.

-your team is kinda slow. Non scarf latios being your fastest mon isn’t ideal since you get outspeed and killed by popular attackers like pult, darkrai, waterpon, weavile, cinderace etc

-your team is also extremely passive, like where is the breaking power coming from? Your only attacker struggles to break common walls like ting Lu, corv etc

-your defense core is extremely exploitable, incineroar lacks reliable recovery to be a sustainable ghost resist and g weezing as your only fairy resist is rough since it can’t take hits from special attacking fairy’s like primarina or cm valiant that well. Mola gives free entry to attacking threats like kyurem and wogerpon which can easily farm your team since it’s so passive.

I’m guessing from the spikes Gliscor and latios you want a hazard stacking team? In that case it’s fine because cores like this have been used to successs before(pinkacross team & piyus Lokix+lati stack)

This a rough idea of the changes I would make to your team https://pokepast.es/400bf9c25cc162e5

[rapid barn]

sounds good, tysm!

incineroar was what I use to stop physical attackers like kingambit, u are right though, i had to use mola to recover him pretty often

g weezing barely stopped hatterene in one of my games

[nocturne sable]

• I completely revamped the defense core. You now have Pecharunt, zamazenta, Gliscor, tinka and bulky gambit as your defense core. Gambit gives you a much more solid ghost resist and can actually apply pressure on opposing teams by doing gambit stuff. Tinka actually gives you a decent stop gap to stuff like kyurem. You can also add knock off over Twave cuz you’ll probably need another knocker.

Pecharunt is an improvement of your fairy matchup over gweez as it can actually check iron valiant better.

Zama is a speed control option, it allows you to revenge stuff like woger, darkrai, etc.

you do have to be weary of stuff like primarina though. In the worst scenario you will probably have to Tera water your Gliscor and try and play around it with poison stall. Should be fine otherwise

[nocturne sable]

Just curious did you test out this team yet?

[limber spear]

yeah i did

around 12 game or smth

but not as much as the original version

[nocturne sable]

How did those games go just curious

[limber spear]

fine? i mean those r just mid elo around 1550

there r wacky teams and stuff

just felt like offense mu was a annoying cuz there isn’t much breaking power here

[nocturne sable]

Really? I would imagine you would be good in the hazard game setting them up with Hamurott and tinka setting up hazards and having torn and dogi as your knockers

[limber spear]

tbh i am just not good as facing offense

[nocturne sable]

Hmm fair enough

You can try experimenting with offensive zama over dogi

FWIW

[wild nebula]

I am used to playing Monotype, but I am completely new to the more standard formats. So can I get some opinions on the SV OU team I built?
https://pokepast.es/c3ba9dae44cd0f9d

[limber spear]

yeah i would change the angle to offense

also gz on being a rater

[nocturne sable]

Thx

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/572fcb42401463a8

might plug in pult and cm clef over dengo and val

[worldly jungle]

https://pokepast.es/949a9408be20dfab
I played competitive pokemon a while back and stopped because my DOU team was falling apart (pokemon being banned or getting lowered by a tier) but i recently got back into it, so I made another DOU team that probably isnt good at all because I'm washed as I haven't played in so long, but I just want to hear what people have to say about my team.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jaunty granite]

This is not the DOU thread

[deft kestrel]

can someone rate my espeon sun team and maybe give some improvement suggestions?https://pokepast.es/21920837fe0d0408

[magic walrus]

Any raters available?

[amber terrace]

https://pokepast.es/685a73bcc4e62c83
Revised version of my Meowscarada Hazard Stack team, please ratee!!

[wooden mountain]

Bit of a drastic change but I’d go ting-Lu over landorus-t and zamazenta over Kingambit

[storm siren]

Im not that great at teambuilding and i made a team with mamoswine and was wondering how it looked

https://pokepast.es/1ef187677eb36631

[runic halo]

https://pokepast.es/643e0492b2cdf7af
Can someone rate my Meowscarada webs team pls?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Well uhhh

Webs is a hyper offence playstyle

Banded meowscarada specs kyurem and galarian slowking don't really fit the momentum of the team

Or what it's trying to do

[echo rampart]

generally dont want to forfeit momentum with choice items and gloking

[tacit bluff]

^

[runic halo]

What should I use instead?

[proud stratus]

You have hazard problem

No momentum

And no wincond

Webs needs strong sweeper that take advantage of slower pokemon

[tacit bluff]

Well Gholdengo is a wincon

But with HO the entire team should be wincons

[proud stratus]

Not this one

[tacit bluff]

Barring the lead

[proud stratus]

This one is a breaker

[tacit bluff]

It's 3 attacks nasty plot that is a sweeper

[proud stratus]

Metal Coat is used to bait strong spedef mon and to kill them

It's not the best set as a sweeper6

Because you lack occasion to come on terrain without baloon

Ghold in webs act as a formidable way to prevent hazard removal with strong offensive utility

[elder knoll]

you also get revenged by a lot on that set

[tacit bluff]

I digress

Point is

You just need to stack the team with threatening sweepers that don't concede momentum

Webs in particular likes to utilise slower setup sweepers as they become pretty terrifying

Knock off mons are also good to ensure that boots attackers aren't safe either

[proud stratus]

That's what we mean

[tacit bluff]

But you also want a wide array of sweepers so that teams that tend to not care about webs like fat and balance are still threatened

[proud stratus]

Anyway meow will never feat on webs

[tacit bluff]

Unless it's sd which is like

What are we doing here

[proud stratus]

Cinde is better

As sd user

[tacit bluff]

Even then it's not like

Allat good

It's smth tho

[proud stratus]

Well it had his moment

[tacit bluff]

Like if you wanna use meowscarada it's usually on balance

[proud stratus]

But kyurem is better with dd

Yeah

Meow provides speed control, item removal, pivot, and combines with her perfect offensive movepool

For more bulkier team

Weavile or darkrai as dark mon can be used on sticky

Moltres g too

(i don't mention kingambit, you can put this whatever you want)

But going for a sticky and a dark mons usually means you want to focus dark resistance to brute force with some late game cleaner

[runic halo]

Ok thx. I'll get to work on improving the team.

[tacit bluff]

You either wanna build a webs team from scratch without meow or build a balance team that can exploit meowscarada

Up to you what you wanna do with it

[nocturne sable]

Yea like the other raters said stuff like meowscarada and choice items mons don’t belong on a archetype like webs HO. Meowscarada fits on more Bulky offense teams that utilize hazard stacking. Glowking also fits on more bulky balanced teams rather than webs.

https://pokepast.es/8dd33e431d9baf52 This is an old sample team(pre OLT cycles) but it’s an example of how a webs offense team operates.

You are spamming fairly slow but powerful set up sweepers(like manaphy, kingambit and gholdengo here for example. Valiant isn’t exactly slow but it still works on webs as it’s a good set up mon in general, and webs allows it to face other booster energy users(like iron boulder, etc)

[desert citrus]

CB Weavile: https://pokepast.es/9fa24c785c7ac3e2
Specs Enamorus: https://pokepast.es/72e033efe7317c5a

[rapid frost]

Don’t listen to the haters

That team looks like it totally demonizes NU

[celest summit]

Exactly

Best team fr

[dapper vault]

ou is sooo bad just play ag

[clear wagon]

https://pokepast.es/7970ef9b81e29c7a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clear wagon]

improvements on movesets?

[trail whale]

Pecharunt > Meowscarada I'd say, it anchors the team and sweepers a lot better as a pivot and gives you a much better Zamazenta and Dragonite match up.

The Great Tusk looks weird, you really want Ice Spinner to not be Gliscor & Gholdengo fodder, you also get a lot out of max speed to outspeed and threaten Hrott & Gholdengo. I'd just make it a standard set

Dnite should also be Tera Blast here, much stronger set

[clear wagon]

replace what with tera blast?

[clear wagon]

i feel like meows is much realiable in picking off threats like glowking but thats because ive been using dnite like kingambit

[tacit bluff]

Fwiw fairy is more common nowadays

So go with that but flying is still fine

[trail whale]

the thing with Glowking is that you usually can hard switch Kingambit in for free
Moltres and Great Tusk can do it aggressively asw

[trail whale]

neither common in the future when it gets banned :copium:

[clear wagon]

is it being suspect tested?

[tacit bluff]

No

Dnite is fineee

[clear wagon]

honestly i extremly dislike dnite and zam but i gotta use one

or play around those those mons

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/8612fe33f6651db2

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow crest]

got a funny luna set here

considering dnite over pult

[echo rampart]

ngl just kill shit with flame orb ursa

[plucky hare]

https://pokepast.es/b2840e254c52e01e so i found a team i found it cool battling so i remade it with light twists what do yall think about it?

its basically in the same state except zapdos was offensive in that team i made it defensive

[nocturne sable]

I mean unfortunately if this isn’t the team you created on your own, most raters will just tell you to go back to the original version of whatever that team is

[plucky hare]

oh

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @young gust, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesuu team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[crimson flint]

https://pokepast.es/3d6be9252c5e4c60
wanted to make a team around my goat soul rest kommo, i was using physical or mixed for a few games but specialf hits most things better in my brief expierience of ou

[faint vortex]

Prospective team I made and tested. Am I out to lunch on this one? https://pokepast.es/f2b287c44410cb2d

[nocturne sable]

Are you sure this is your team? The pokepaste looks like it’s showing a different name that I’m familiar with

[crimson flint]

wdym

m pretty sure its my team cus i based it off of a speedtour draft

[nocturne sable]

I was just asking because of the name that appears on the pokepaste it’s similar to someone I know

[crimson flint]

oh my showdown is wynterwyvern and its my pokepaste so idk lol

[nocturne sable]

Hmm k ic

[nocturne sable]

In that case this a pretty standard veil team in general. Although I would make a few small changes

I think hatterene would be the fairy you want on a team like this over clefable. Since Hatterene has a better damage output to play with and also has important utility in magic balance which can be your counterplay to hazards.

Also since this is a veil team I would make pecharunt offensive nasty plot over defensive pivot. Veils is a more offensive style so defense mons aren’t really needed.

https://pokepast.es/6cb6241d55c171f1 something roughly like this

Side note: your team might need more reliable speed control. You can experiment with stuff like darkrai, zama or speed booster bulk up tusk over mons like iron hands or pecharunt .

[crimson flint]

okiee thanks ill take note, i was thinking a dark type could be nice over hands like you said do you think like hissui rot could be cool or would darkai be better

[nocturne sable]

I can see like a black glasses swords dance hisuian samurott working yes that’s fine. But darkrai might be more ideal for the speed control imo

[crimson flint]

okie ill try both and see which onw does better

[faint vortex]

Any input would be appreciated

[dusk geyser]

https://pokepast.es/6762f8e043010876

I love this team but I got some bad matchups and I struggle against hazards

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk geyser]

I am thinking of not going webs anymore and get 6 all out attacker

Also if webs are not up all of my mons are outsped and I just lose

[stone sierra]

Make gambit max speed jolly for webs

[stone sierra]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peaked-3-2062-elo-zodiac-webs-a-webstacular-6.3764214/ your team looks rather similar to this, I’d try it out

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/64171847b94074ef

[dusk geyser]

iron valient might be good

i need a fast mon that doesnt always need webs

my enam is also specs

[stone sierra]

Waterpon:

[narrow crest]

deleted by band cc, wisp from pult no?

252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 322-379 (106.9 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[dusk geyser]

https://pokepast.es/6b827f0845f4015f how about this

[clear wagon]

hey so i tried using pecha but im running into a problem

apart from ival and ddance dnite

my team has barely any speed control

[trail whale]

I hate to tell you but that's kinda standard
timing the iron valiant switch in and then having dd dnite + Sucker Gambit as more specific back ups

[clear wagon]

i mean ik how to play those mons

but

pecha is not providing adequate defensive use

other than slow parting shots

[plucky hare]

so umm here i rewatched the replay and i put the team back to its original state because i switched stuff in the one i send yesterday

https://pokepast.es/cd0ca0b7422f4edd

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spire]

https://pokepast.es/3e637e57c96d8c41
Ok so Idk if the team is ass or im ass so help me out, the team revolves around bolt with hazard stack, great tusk as the physical switch in, samu as the spdef switch in and Weavile and Enam for speed and other mons that bolt cant break on its own

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clear wagon]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder yea this is hella slow and pecha isnt doing it for me

any suggestions?

also this team is a walking suck against moltres

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/04ee077db0f2e176
felt like this greedy woger set is pretty fun

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sick holly]

https://pokepast.es/1ab600b4a3e17daa

I'm still a little new so im not very sure if this sucks or not but i am not liking this ogerpon at all

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[magic dome]

hey! this team is a little questionable, and it might be more worth it for you to try out one of the sample teams before building something of your own

[sick holly]

oof not a good response at all lol

alright i have some work to do

[magic dome]

if youd like, i can give your team a rate as it currently is, but i’d have to change a lot

[nocturne sable]

We can’t really see the team here

[somber sapphire]

body press tusk and of course, ice punch garg

[limber spire]

@sick holly here I'll send some team building videos to help you, also use Smogon Pokedex for sets

https://youtu.be/kAMnZy8RmBk?si=Hv95d84bgrmx5I9U

https://youtu.be/WuFr4-DcFMA?si=_D4h5ok9-dxsiiT7

This should help you make better teams, sets, and get a better rating

[desert citrus]

Some teams i made

cb weavile https://pokepast.es/4412371ccda6e082

specs enam https://pokepast.es/30a250295ef707e4

[visual fjord]

Hello there. I have been playing showdown off and on just for fun for a few years, but I’ve never once gotten any advice on a team I’ve made. I was wondering what y’all thought of this team. Also I have not been a fan of great tusk on this team, at least not how I’ve been using it, and I was wondering what y’all might suggest

https://pokepast.es/4853005f42c6b1fa

I feel like Gouging fire would be amazing on this if it was still legal lol

[desert citrus]

not the most experienced, but im pretty sure wogerpon and kyurem are huge threats to this team

[visual fjord]

Wogerpon hasn’t been a real issue for me yet but I just haven’t seen a lot of Kyurem

[tacit bluff]

My main worry is that this team doesn't force much progress beyond weavile, it's somewhat unreliable as the sole breaker thanks to taxel being taxel frailty and whatnot, tusk and valiant can support that I suppose, but is that something that you've been struggling with? For instance iron valiant has encore but it's not rly leveraging it super well cause no setup move, booster valiant on balance is also somewhat unreliable speed control since you'll be switching around a lot

Regular slowking is also a choice

[desert citrus]

i noted that yeah
i just need something that can kill revenge killers like dnite, darkrai and pult

[tacit bluff]

Oh and double hazards scor is a bit odd too, one of gliscors biggest strengths is being able to force progress and without knock off or toxic you can end up being a bit stumped, especially in front of spinners like tusk

[desert citrus]

i noticed my team had a big problem with psychic attacks, so i didn't want to feed into that with glowking

[desert citrus]

thats fair, ill definitely change that

[tacit bluff]

Tbh I wouldn't use glowking here so that was the right call

Imo I think the solution to the psychic weakness and double hazards is p easy

Just use double hazards ting lu

While not the most popular set it's better at forcing progress with whirlwind

And acts as a stopgap to sweepers

[desert citrus]

if i use lu though, i lose my ground immunity
is that fine?

[magic dome]

i think i have a bigger problem with flash cannon tusk and life orb kingambit

[visual fjord]

I was gonna say

[magic dome]

some tusks and gargs actually run those

[visual fjord]

Not to mention body press

[tacit bluff]

Its fine for now, cause with lu we can replace slowking

As the role of special wall is pretty much covered

And then you can slot smth like one of the birds or even Tornadus-T

[desert citrus]

i see

[tacit bluff]

And maybe consider making valiant choice scarf? It keeps it as speed control and can help a lot in the mirror with trick

I think otherwise this is p solid

I'd go with Tornadus-T in the last slot personally, the nasty plot set can be pretty nasty work

Very fast and deceptively powerful

[desert citrus]

all your advice is appreciated
did you happen to look at the enamorus team, or do i need to go back to the drawing board with that

i definitely feel like my weavile team is the better of the two

[tacit bluff]

I'll check it now 👍

[visual fjord]

If you get a chance could you also check the team I sent?

[tacit bluff]

Yeah sure!

[visual fjord]

Wogerpon is dealt with by Zapdos mostly

[tacit bluff]

Yeah not too sure about this one chief, zapdos salivates at the thought of facing down this squad

While it won't 6-0 you it'll definitely give you some problems

As will Tornadus-T, the one thing it doesn't hit super effectively (it usually runs heat wave) is outsped

Torn isn't super common but it's rising in usage

[desert citrus]

yeah i figured as much lol
it didn't perform how i wanted in testing
is this a complete-scrap-and-return-to-the-drawing-board-situation?

idk if specs enam even works on balance tbh
i usually see enam on webs HO

[tacit bluff]

I think the idea of specs enam is fine but I think it would probably be paired with hazard support and a bit more offence imo

Oh and speed control, albeit ur speed control is fine

I think I'd drop iron crown or scizor, one can stay to cover for the fairies

I'd prefer scizors sd set tho tbh

Or you could compress even further and run iron treads

[desert citrus]

hrm
iron treads doesn't seem bad

[tacit bluff]

Dropping the need for tusk and now you have ur steel type, a rocker and a spinner

Leaving 2 slots open

[desert citrus]

if i need more hazards, lu might have to come along again
gives me another spdef/psychic switch in
or maybe spdef gliscor...

[tacit bluff]

Specs emam probably wants more proactive teammates

[desert citrus]

so something like hamurott?

[tacit bluff]

Ye

It rly likes hazards

Makes switching around it far more taxing

[desert citrus]

if i put samu as my fifth, my last may end up being gholdengo
need to keep those hazards up

[tacit bluff]

Gholdengo works for sure

Dragapult is another option but less sturdy as a spinblocker

[desert citrus]

true,
i noticed that my corv matchup wasn't great
so either of them would help tbh

[tacit bluff]

You could consider iron moth if you want too over wellspring perhaps but not strictly necessary

Makes your ting lu mu a bit meh

So probably not

[tacit bluff]

This is ok, some stranger picks but overall not bad at all

[visual fjord]

Some things I’m considering changing are adding knock off to great tusk in exchange for either ice spinner, close combat, or rapid spin, adding recover to gholdengo for focus blast, or just replacing great tusk completely

[tacit bluff]

This definitely leans offence, and I think your picks facilitate that well albeit I have some slight nitpicks

I don't love meowscarada here, it's usually on bulkier structures as a fast pivot and knock off user which works fine for said balance structures but when it's primarily here to try to act as more of an offensive piece it often lacks the raw damage you'd want

Idt tusk is bad here at all actually albeit I can see why it might not feel great as most of your team is holding boots or doesn't care much for hazards although notably you don't have an absorber

Absorber referring to a mon that can comfortably take knock off

[visual fjord]

So that’s actually a little intentional. Because I play casually, whenever I make teams I just pick one Pokémon I want to use and build around that. I built this knowing Meow was kinda forcing things

[tacit bluff]

Meow definitely prefers to be on smth that's a bit less offence focused

[visual fjord]

I’ve always loved it on pivot cores but I can see what you mean

It definitely doesn’t always hit hard enough

[tacit bluff]

In the early days of sv choice band sets more than did the job, not so much anymore unfortunately

[visual fjord]

Some other things I’ve toyed with adding is maybe a scarf user or something like that

[tacit bluff]

General powecreep and just the fact that there's a lot of mons who'd take a flower trick way better

Honestly what I'm thinking rn is a couple changes

[visual fjord]

The fact that I can’t one tap great tusk with flower trick makes me sad to this day

[tacit bluff]

Tusk is just very fat yes 😔

I'm thinking you might want a booster mon

Iron moth looks kinda mad juicy rn

[visual fjord]

Instead of meow?

I’ve never used Moth before

[tacit bluff]

It works, I'm also tryna see if the zapdos slot could be changed

[visual fjord]

Zapdos feels great on this for me

[tacit bluff]

I'm not too keen on dropping tusk so instead I'm tryna make tusk more useful by pairing it with partners that appreciate it

[visual fjord]

Oki

[tacit bluff]

I also don't hate ogerpon wellspring here over samurott but that's less necessary

Especially without meow

Since that dark type is nice

I also think you do want knock off on tusk

[visual fjord]

For cc?

[tacit bluff]

Maybe over close combat

Yeah

[visual fjord]

I like having a stab cc user on most teams

[tacit bluff]

It does weaken your ting lu matchup a fair bit and that can be worrying

[visual fjord]

Just personally

Yeah

Focus blast on gold won’t help there

[tacit bluff]

Wellspring can definitely patch it up

You lose spikes but you have more offensive pressure overall

[visual fjord]

I really wanna keep samurot

[tacit bluff]

So it kinda makes up for it

[visual fjord]

It’s fun

[tacit bluff]

I like it too

But I do think wellspring is a tad better here

Why zapdos out of curiosity

Offensive zapdos is a thing but it's not that common

[visual fjord]

If we swap cc for knock off and meow for moth, what could we swap Zapdos with to cover that ring Lu issue

[visual fjord]

It makes Ogerpon so much easier to deal with and I hate that Pokémon

I hate using it

I hate fighting it

They think they get a free swords dance

And I just don’t have to deal with them anymore

[tacit bluff]

I mean

They still kinda can

If they just tera

They don't fear volt switch that much

[visual fjord]

I guess

What would u use there then?

[tacit bluff]

And after sd and tera it's ohkoing you with cudgel because haha ogerpon brrr

[visual fjord]

I’d like to get a fighting type

With pivot

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm

Not many of those unfortunately

[visual fjord]

I like having a pivot move on 4/6 mons here

[tacit bluff]

Iron hands technically but eeehhhhh

Iron hands isn't that good

[visual fjord]

It might actually fit pretty well here tho

[tacit bluff]

It does make this team a lot slower tho

[visual fjord]

It’s bulky, has cc, has pivot with volt switch

Yeah

That’s the only issue

Hmmm

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm ok ok

How about

[visual fjord]

Also I have no clue what set to run on moth

Cause I never use it lol

[tacit bluff]

Instead of iron moth we can have booster speed sd iron valiant

[visual fjord]

I figure booster, sludge wave, fiery dance

Oooo

[tacit bluff]

Which adds a fighting type and a knock off user

So it doesn't rly strain tusk that much

That last slot can remain either or

3rd knocker or second cc is up to you

I will say tho, the fairy mu becomes scary

[visual fjord]

Btw do u agree with swapping focus blast on go?

[tacit bluff]

You can make it recover for sure

[visual fjord]

I’m never using it and it’s inconsistent

[tacit bluff]

Psyshock isn't bad either but that's mostly for hehe stall

[visual fjord]

I know stall

[tacit bluff]

And special walls like slowking

[visual fjord]

has flashbacks

lol

I used nothing but one stall team for 4 months last year

[tacit bluff]

You could

Use assault vest iron treads

Over tusk

[visual fjord]

Eh

[tacit bluff]

To patch fairy mu

It is a pivot as well but it's generally less effective

[visual fjord]

So wait I still don’t know what to replace Zapdos with

[tacit bluff]

Let's just leave zapdos for now

[visual fjord]

Oki

[tacit bluff]

My first idea was dragonite but that only exasperates the issue with smth like enamorus

Honestly you can run both iron valiant and iron moth

[visual fjord]

If I do that I go down to 2/6 pivot users

[tacit bluff]

Iron moth can still beat ogerpon and if ogerpon teras you can try to snipe it with tera grass energy ball

[tacit bluff]

It's not that bad tbh

This has become far more akin to hyper offence

I will say

But it does patch most of the issues with the team

Pivotspam is fine but offence doesn't need it as much

If you have one or 2 especially a good bulky one like landorus then you can get your two booster mons in safely and start blasting

It also allows tusk to come in and spin if needed etc

[visual fjord]

Let’s say I wanna keep pivot spam a lil

What could I use instead?

At least half of the team with pivot

Keeping samurot and lando

[tacit bluff]

You could try iron hands and iron moth

I don't love it but it is a pivot

You just rly need smth offensive to couple with it being a pivot

And smth that beats wellspring

You can try choice specs dragapult

Since it'll always outspeed