SV OU Rates

[hot dome]

this isn't the place to chat about this

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/a2e8b50efcfd7912 found this team to be pretty solid, would like to know both what i could tweak, and how to play it, esp when to lead with which mon

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

this team looks like a pretty standard bulky offense

[north nimbus]

Yeah it looks solid

[low phoenix]

im thinking zamazenta could be hdb to act as your speed control and you have kingambit as your wincon already

[stone sierra]

Corv gking lu
Absolute classic

[north nimbus]

Me thinks a knocker would be nice > gambit but yeah this pretty solid

[echo rampart]

i think tinkaton can compress a lot of roles here

let you switch some mons around so you’re not too reliant on latios for early wallbreaking

[north nimbus]

does this really need tinka tho was also thinking like woger

[echo rampart]

well ya im saying tinka does the job of many to let you fit another mon

can replace corv tinglu and gambit with like

tinka tusk wellspring

even regular ogerpon pairs v well with latios imo

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/2b41a005086db8de made an apple prim bo, feels p good

[empty verge]

Just run boots 4a zama imo

Make corv Tera dragon

Ting Lu Tera poison

[stone sierra]

I thought idbp would be better as a win condition

[north nimbus]

U need a more immediate breaker

then again i would say cm prima would be a better wincon and help vs fat,

[stone sierra]

I used cb at first but was told cb zam should be on fatter structures

[empty verge]

Doesn’t even have to be CB tbh

Boots is enough

[stone sierra]

Ig future port makes up for the lack of power

[empty verge]

You got it

[stone sierra]

Honestly this is the first time I’ve posted a team without any glaring flaws being pointed out

Just minor stuff

Ngl I have no clue what I was thinking with tera fire corv

[empty verge]

It’s a pretty decent build

Just needed minor tweaks

[stone sierra]

And it’s using my 3 fav mons

On my fav archetype

[clever berry]

Answering in #comp-general

[clever berry]

PokeaimMD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvmhtD3JfAo&pp=ygUedGVyYSBmaXJlIGNvcnZpa25pZ2h0IHBva2VhaW1k

[tardy sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/f874dac252946427 unsure about corvi and thinking about replacing with gweez and the team in general feels weak to setup sweepers like id zama and dd dnite

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

I feel like this team wants to dedicate to Gterrain offense with Rilla Lando Luna

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/9b155dd7a4ddb454

i actually dont know what i am doing

[limber spear]

nvm

[clever berry]

Speed = 0

[limber spear]

phew u didnt notice my tera water gliscor

[limber spear]

what do i run as the attacker in semi stall

the wall choices r bad tho

[clever berry]

Usually you compress offense in 1-2 slots

Kyurem gives you breaking

Something that compresses speed and bulk

Zama

[limber spear]

so zama kyurem o

what do i run for walls then

i should bring 1-2 slow pivots

i chose gloking for sunteams/blizzard

and crov for idk its nice ig?

[clever berry]

Also opponent Kyurem freeze drys your ass

[limber spear]

speed tie 😦

withd draco

[clever berry]

I don't build semi stall but i feel one of Glowking Alo might have to go

I would have said remove Garg but rocks

[limber spear]

i can run gliscor with

so what pivot i use to bring in the attackers

i can run spikes on giscor and find a better rocks

lando works

[low phoenix]

Gliscor and Lando fit on very different kinds of teams

Gliscor on bulkier hazard stack/balances and Lando on offenses

[thick pilot]

https://pokepast.es/51e415be96957d9b this offensive team I made

[empty verge]

1. Mbeam glim isn’t very good
2. Why are there two scarf mons?
3. If you are going for hyper offense this stucture is lacking sets and min choices are questionablex

[thick pilot]

eh I don't know what I'm doing

[stone sierra]

I watch your yt channel

[hot dome]

please don't post in this channel if you're not experienced in the tier and giving advice

[hot dome]

if you're new to the tier i would recommend using sample teams first to get a grasp of the playstyles used and what mons/sets fit on each one

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[lethal talon]

Getting back into competitive and tried making a team. How atrocious are we talking here?
my team :3 https://share.google/xjAA2nRugiZkc2UWF

Tried to go for a bit of a balanced approach

[crude oriole]

I made a chess team focused on Kingambit

https://pokepast.es/123ea6fc8fffcc14

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

we don't help with gimmick teams as unfortunately they are often unviable, which this team is

Agility Moth with Meteor Beam isn't viable, Cress and Dozo don't fit, Cudgel-less Wellspring isn't viable, Troom Hatt is sorely out of place here, and Gambit's set is similarly unviable

[final relic]

This isn't terrible for a first try

not a fan of the tusk set

you need hazards and booster doesnt really fit

with the overall gameplan here

just run ice spinner hlr spin rocks

corv probably should be brave bird > bpress

tera dragon since ogerpon matchup is not the best

i dont think you want zapdos here too though

this is asking for raging bolt to come in and claim 6 kills

av gking is also better suited than prim on balance

[swift forum]

specs zapdos+specs raging bolt thing https://pokepaste.es/0d156aa4bb8bb67b

oops

https://pokepast.es/0d156aa4bb8bb67b

[nocturne sable]

Not really a big fan of 3 choice mons on the same team

Zapdos and Raging bolt are overlapping imo, and having both feels unnecessary

[swift forum]

idea was that ground types that threaten bolt (tusk, treads, etc) get beaten by zap and tinglu with no recovery cant really switch in to pult+rbolt+zap

[nocturne sable]

But this Zapdos isn’t holding a boots and has no recovery. tusk and treads just set up rocks and halter its progress

[empty verge]

Choice zap is a gen 8 thing you really want zap for the defensive utility in gen 9

[nocturne sable]

It’s an unoptimal way to use Zapdos imo

[empty verge]

But there are several other issues with this team honestly

Like the kyurem matchup

[final relic]

kyurem 6-0

[swift forum]

av treads

[final relic]

252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Iron Treads: 178-210 (46.3 - 54.6%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO

[swift forum]

yeah but its specs you can go zap and heal up later

[final relic]

even subtect is threatening because you cant really hit it

204 SpA Kyurem Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Iron Treads: 114-136 (29.6 - 35.4%) -- 22.3% chance to 3HKO

and its not choice locked

[swift forum]

and pivot into pult with volt

[final relic]

and no hazards to punish with

[empty verge]

Idk I feel like there is a lot of flaws here I get the concept but it just won’t work in this environment

[final relic]

yeah if you wanna overwhelm ting there are better options

specs bolt does that by itself anyway

unless theyre resttalk but no amount of breakers will get through that, you need hazards to go up and be able to prevent gweezy from removing them

[elder knoll]

Why does that team also have no end game gambit answer

[empty verge]

Yeah it’s a scrap imo

[lethal talon]

Ok thank you! It's been a while so im not sure what some of the terms mean 😭 what is gking? My first instinct is galarian slowking but I could be wrong. Also, what would be some ideas for what to replace zapdos with? I kind of chose them because they're a bit more defensive with that set and I dont really have a strong coverage against water types so figured may as well yknow?

But yeah I think you're spot on about corviknight

[final relic]

it is galarian slowking yes

id maybe go with kyurem over it since it helps you break

• you have enough removal to justify it

[lethal talon]

removal?

Also what set should I have for kyurem if I go that route?

Like more physical or special?

[final relic]

specs works here

you want to be able to pressure opposing gking hard

and lu etc

drop gunk for sucker on cinderace maybe

[lethal talon]

Okok

I'll do a bit more research when I get home but I do really like the kyurem idea. And yeah you're right about Cinderace.

[abstract tapir]

https://pokepast.es/54ba4a670894fb2a
playtested a little and wondering if there’s any fixes I can make (mainly struggle with opposing great tusk as well as galar slow king and gholdengo )

[trail whale]

Tusk needs a move like Ice Spinner to not get walled by spinblockers such as Balloon Gholdengo and Sinistcha

Waterpon + Booster Val at the end looks a bit awkward since the team seems to wanna be a boots spam balance. I think you'd appreciate dedicating to hazard stack with Hamurott and boots Pult as your speed control. Both of them also give you a good way to handle the Pokemon you've been struggling with

[abstract tapir]

For great tusk should I replace stealth rock with ice spinner or rapid spin since it’s mainly going to be boots mons

[trail whale]

You should drop CC imo
I think this wants to go in a hazard stack direction and bring able to spin vs knock off can be crucial

[empty verge]

Yeah I would recommend Assault vest Samurott if you go that route since you are very weak to ghost rn

Ghold in particular

[lethal talon]

made a few changes here and there https://pokepast.es/8902cbb12462aca5

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/cd4df9d7e02bac8e

also have this version https://pokepast.es/d3fbe13951052190

i didnt wanna go the clef route since i alr have multiple clef teams on this structure

[wooden linden]

Team is looking pretty good here

There isnt a ghost resist here though

[north nimbus]

^

[wooden linden]

I'd say taking out scizor for kingambit should work here

Gambit trades a little bit of the kyu mu with more bulk and potentially sweeping

Plus specs kyu already blows through most non stall teams

[north nimbus]

Are we fine with cinderwce being the only speed control

[wooden linden]

Sucker plus ace should be mostly fine

Corv could be subbed out here though

[north nimbus]

Hmm idk if i would consider it reliable

[wooden linden]

Scarf lando could work here potentially

[empty verge]

Ace is not good speed control imo

[wooden linden]

Fast pivot and intimidate

[north nimbus]

I think most consistent thing could be like zama > sciz and Lu > tusk

You already have ace for hazard control

And Lu gives u a sturdier ghost resist plus load better vs rai and bolt which would be a problem outside of prima

Zama gives u extra endurance agaisnt other things and speed control

[empty verge]

Ting Lu means you can probably do cm or something on prim

[north nimbus]

Yeah which is something I would prefer here anyways

I don’t like Av outside of pure offense

[empty verge]

This look p solid

Idk if I’m a fan of colbur tho

Over like

LO or boots

On deo

[wooden linden]

Boots should be fine over colbur here

[north nimbus]

Colbur is cool, only if it s like np recover

[empty verge]

Ya

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/6e88f8add4aaa75f
@lethal talon
Revised this team and should be ready for you to use here

Cm prim here alongside kyu to overwhelm checks like glowking here btw

[empty verge]

Does specs Kyu actually still run Draco

[north nimbus]

Make this liquid voice prima to farm fat

[wooden linden]

Yes

[empty verge]

Ight bet

[empty verge]

^

[north nimbus]

What does focus blast hit

[wooden linden]

Nah tbh kyu destroys fat to an ungodly level

[empty verge]

True

[empty verge]

Ngl

[north nimbus]

secondary farming is nice

[empty verge]

Now that I think about it

Nothing

[north nimbus]

I think it’s fine either or

[empty verge]

The issue with Kyu vs fat

On its own

Prediction reliant + limited opportunities to get in due to its typing

But it for sure can farm

[north nimbus]

ye

that’s why Prima is more like a cleaner or alternative

Then again it still is a solid wincon once zama and kyu break stuff down

[wooden linden]

Bulky cm should be fine yeah

The team doesnt really like switching into hamu here so prim helps with that

[empty verge]

Ye

[north nimbus]

Yup yup

[empty verge]

Gl with the team 🫡

[wooden linden]

Ngl stellar zama is pretty inefficient without a lorb

I'd just settle with tera dark or steel

Also boots deo here works out with bulky ghold

https://pokepast.es/bdc9b733de04e001
This version should work out here

Personally i picked tb fly since the ability to instantly kill wellspring is super nice

You can go synthesis wellspring over spikes if tusk is hard to switch into for you

[empty verge]

Don’t notice that was stellar lol good eye

[wooden linden]

Stellar used to be seen on zama but theres not much point these days

Oh and twave ghold can work over bulky np

Dnite is a bit scary vs the team so twave can help

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/0226c9469c14593c

idk what i was doing

planned to make a semi stall and suddenly its a bo

[limber spear]

i kind of want to put a kingambit inside but

how

[clever berry]

Is Ice Fang better than Heavy Slam on Zama?

[limber spear]

the catch gliscor?

[clever berry]

Else Valiant just setups for free

[clever berry]

Ah, makes sense

[limber spear]

oh

[clever berry]

I think you can handle valiant well enough here

[limber spear]

how about other sutff

[clever berry]

AV Prim and Pecha

[limber spear]

prima works

[clever berry]

Crown as well

[limber spear]

walling its stabs

yeah

i struggle against gliscor tho

[clever berry]

Eletric Valiant is a massive issue for your team though

[limber spear]

tera ground prima?

not like anything could work besides that

its valiant after all

[clever berry]

Maybe
yeah

[limber spear]

god of movepool

[clever berry]

true
it can beat everything with the right moveset

[limber spear]

any other problem

i dont have a set up

althought its not a must

[clever berry]

Yeah, I don't see a clear wincon

[limber spear]

but wat do i use?

gambit/bulk up gt?

[clever berry]

Maybe AV Crown and CM Prim?

[limber spear]

oh right

av crown exists

[clever berry]

Tbh
Pult looks very annoying here too

[limber spear]

specs tach is really strong tho

prima takes care

[clever berry]

Prim can check it short term

But it can stack up with burns

[limber spear]

yeah

[clever berry]

Repeated SBalls

[limber spear]

i tera with crown and kill it

it ohkos

60% per hit

so 120

[clever berry]

Tera Dark Pecha too

[limber spear]

do i run custap on prima

[clever berry]

Also trade with Zapdos

[limber spear]

ngl cm with a custap for those gambit seems fun

[clever berry]

Twave it immediately

[limber spear]

yeah t wav very important here

[clever berry]

I don't see any issues with the team tbh

Zama and Tusk could be a bit redundant

[limber spear]

do i run offensive or bulky

[azure saffron]

Would like to complete this: https://pokepast.es/b83e8bd34f67e3bc
Was trying Darkrai (NP) and Dragapult but they didnt do much. I could try Dnite but i dont love it.

[limber spear]

tusk is hazard+ remover

zama is like i need to double check gambit/fast atttacker overall

wait

valiant works

[clever berry]

Yeah

[limber spear]

do i run speed val instead of my zama

[clever berry]

Gives you a wincon

[limber spear]

but sd or what

or mix

sd is kind of

ok?

my first usable team every made

[clever berry]

Are you still Specs Crown, AV Prim or changed them?

[limber spear]

wait i resend paste

https://pokepast.es/23c0659dac9a6ea3

cm prima with av crown

and sd encore on valiant

in got 2 set up tho which i am not very great at doing

but valiant with sd isnt the most common so i can surprise somr thing trying to set up

[clever berry]

I think Pecha could be Specs Pult since you need a wallbreaker and speed control outside Valiant

[limber spear]

poison type is what i wanted

my team weak to faary

[clever berry]

You can handle opponent Valiant with AV Crown for its special sets (Prim too)
While Tusk can handle physical ones (with some help from Zapdos)

[limber spear]

but ok i can try

[clever berry]

Crown for Fairies

It's AV now

So it's bulkier

[limber spear]

spec pult or pvito

[clever berry]

Specs

You lack immediate power

Tbh even Specs Valiant with Vaccum Wave and Boots Pult works

I think you should try different things

[limber spear]

oh uh

let me see which one i prefer

maybe spec pult is better

i dont like pivot pult with another status user(t wave zap in this case)

[clever berry]

Even back to Specs Crown and AV Prim with Boots Pult and SD Valiant isn't a bad idea

Sorry for confusing you

But these mons are so versatile

[limber spear]

nah its fine i should rlly try out new stuff

literally 4 of them are crazy stuff

in terms of vers

[clever berry]

Maybe newer one with AV crown is better since you rightly said fairies can be a problem

[limber spear]

so specs valiant with boots pult

if i am correct

and bulky cm prima?

[clever berry]

I think we agreed on Booster Valiant and Specs Pult

But you can try it

[limber spear]

oh

[clever berry]

Yeah

[limber spear]

i like specs bult

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/6599da24349540de samurott hazard stack

[stone sierra]

You’re pretty weak to sub tect kyurem

Everything is hit super effectively either by freeze dry or earth power

[tacit bluff]

Gholdengo deals with it

As does tink

Sure they're both weak to ep but they both have air balloon

Idk how much I fw iron moth here

[wooden linden]

moth aint worth it here tbh

smth like molt prob works here over it

tusk is pretty scary

[clever berry]

And that Dragonite set without Boots is an HO set

[hollow perch]

So ice spinner or something on dnite and boots

Then replace moth?

I thought I might need a second special breaker

Or is gholdengo enough

[tacit bluff]

A second special attacker is fine I'm just not too sure about iron moth

[hollow perch]

A more offensive or defensive one?

And change dnite to a tblast set

[tacit bluff]

tera blast is fine

valiant over moth is an option asw

[clever berry]

Does Moth fit outside HO?

It neither does immediate damage to be wallbreaker nor can retain booster speed after switching out

It's a nice HO sweeper though - hit or miss type - but when it gets to sweep, it destroys
Also saves HO vs T Spikes and Valiant

Specs Moth is something I think about at times

[cold cosmos]

alr alr ty

https://pokepast.es/cd4df9d7e02bac8e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow perch]

Do you always tera on dnite if you have tera blast?

[tacit bluff]

Not necessarily but you'd typically want to save tera for dnite yes

[hollow perch]

Also which valiant set?

[tacit bluff]

I think either specs or mixed booster works

[limber spear]

i would say specs is the better build cuz it’s slowly rising in usage but not very high while mix is commonly known and people are prepared

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/a31a64ce099d1769

[hollow perch]

Is this a hyper offense team?

I'm not sure what to do when playing this lol

[gritty lake]

No

[hollow perch]

Theres no pivots and I'm not used to that

[tacit bluff]

You do have one pivot in samurott

[thin rose]

I do like this team, any raters will fix this?

But idk I like booster val here

[tardy sparrow]

thanks heatran male

🌋

[tacit bluff]

I assume you're going for bulky offence

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/433296516cfd9465 what should I change

[lethal talon]

Damn that sucks i love scizor 😔 also sorry i had to go to bed lol. But yeah I took a look at the team you posted and I think you're right about zamazenta and ting lu. The primarina set also looks fun to play with. Thank you!! I'll try it out when I get home later :3

[stone sierra]

[empty verge]

Hello not too bad of a start but the biggest issues I see with this team is

1. The lack of ghost resists leaves you vulnerable to stuff like pult and ghold.

2. The opposing ogerpon matchup is quite concerning as well.

3. The lack of consistent speed control booster energy Val won’t cut it.

I would like to know your idea behind the team before I can assist you further

[forest spade]

https://pokepast.es/88cc1a15e57cef4d

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

I think Tera blast fire would be better on comfey as it would allow you to hit steel types better

[forest spade]

Will try, ty

[livid yew]

I wanted to build a team around scizor and iron val , I added tusk for hazard control +elecrtric immunity ,zapdos for ground immunity + pivot,and glowking to pivot around scary special attackers and ogerpon is kind of a filler pokemon
does replacing ogerpon with scarf meowscarada work ? since he solves the speed control issue,resists ghost and deals with ogerpon (most of the time)

[empty verge]

I think your are better off making this a more offensive build

https://pokepast.es/26fc45d21a41dfb6 example of a more offensive team

With Scizor

If you are doing Scizor Val that is

[livid yew]

yeah that's what I'm doing

[empty verge]

I have to go though I’ll get to this again later if someone else doesn’t get it

[livid yew]

no problem you've already helped me a ton

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/cc45b58660fd75c7 made an av Kyurem team, the Evs are to let it 1v1 non cc ival, hatt, and ghold

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

I don’t like av Kyu but it has been used in tour before so I’m not willing to immediately dismiss it

You can make g weezing Tera grass or mola Tera dragon with body slam > scald or Acro red card for better woger matchup

Also no ghost resist u can slap a Lu somewhere

Or gambit > Ghold

[stone sierra]

Alr ty

[proud stratus]

Should be an other hazard removal

Kyurem + volca is really weak to hazard

Av kyurem is good, already seen and test it with a lot of sucess

[stone sierra]

Gweeze is the best removal in the game and I have a wishfish
Please don’t give advice if you’re not experienced in the tier

[elder knoll]

…

😭

they’ve hit 2000

multiple teams

[stone sierra]

Is that a good player I didn’t know about

[stone sierra]

Ah

I see

Sorry Chicos its a reflex at this point

[hot dome]

-gweez best reomval in the game
-tier with tusk in it
???

[north nimbus]

Tusk fraud

[stone sierra]

I meant defog+gas is the best removal in the game bc it always works, not the best remover in the game
Mb

[hot dome]

doesnt mean its the most consistent remover

[final relic]

you definitely require one of ace iron treads corviknight to support volcanion and kyurem

as well

im not sure about this kyurem spread either

[wooden linden]

i'd prob find a way to put lu in here somewhere. av kyu cant really check all the special threats and they need a ghost resist anyways

and tbh i dont really like alo here

[stone sierra]

Ye memester said go gambit over ghold for a ghost resist
Ig I could go for another removal mon over mola?
Just thought a wishfish would be good with kyurem

[final relic]

gambit doesnt help that much besides patching up ghold matchup

i also dont like the no knock off absorber here

er

not no knock absorber mb

the pon matchup is just really atrocious

at least make gweez tera grass

/ dragon

[stone sierra]

Ye I was gonna do that bc of memesters suggestion

Was thinking volc+scarf air blast Lando would work

Aswell as Kyurem

[final relic]

you get pressured way too hard by rocks going up + uturn pon i think

[stone sierra]

Maybe I could replace Lando with dif speed control if I add ting lu and go corv as second removal mon?

[final relic]

also i think iron treads is a good option: a) prevents raging bolt 6-0 (which it does right now) b) backup removal c) rocks

hmm yeah ting lu corv is probably better

[stone sierra]

Raging bolt mu isn’t that bad? Kyurem lives unboosted meteor every time and all I need are 8 speed evs to outspeed

Tho specs bolt is gonna be scary I agree

[rapid frost]

Kyurem lives with how much hp? Kyurem is gonna get chipped quite a bit and even with a mola it’ll be hard to keep it at 90+%

[stone sierra]

Max roll Draco puts me to 18

But I’m adding ting lu either way

So it doesn’t matter

[rapid frost]

Why is the Volcanion just missing evs

Also what is dragon pulse trying to hit

Freeze dry + Flash cannon already hits anything

Might as well swap it for Draco/Ibeam/Ispear

[stone sierra]

Its av what else am I supposed to put
A stab stronger than freeze dry is nice with such a low attack stat

[rapid frost]

Is ibeam not already stronger than both of those moves

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/628c3389384ff944 this work? thought scarf ghold would be better here as i no longer have lando

[stone sierra]

Primarina

[rapid frost]

The primarina that’s immune to dpulse?

[stone sierra]

That doesn’t give a shit about ice beam

[rapid frost]

It also doesn’t give a shit about dpulse

[stone sierra]

Cool
I won’t click it

[rapid frost]

It gives literally 0% about dpulse at least ice beam has a freeze chance and chips

It’s just that dpulse doesn’t hit anything, if you want a higher bp move than freeze dry ice beam is 90 BP, and for some more utility something like dtail might work better

[stone sierra]

It’s just more coverage
I’m not really an hstack and kyurem isn’t here to dragon tail out sweepers

Pulse is just nice coverage and a stronger stab

It allows me to 1v1 opposing kyurem

[rapid frost]

What is it covering though

You already have flash cannon and freeze dry that hits every dragon in the tier

You could run meteor if you wanted a strong stab

[stone sierra]

Spa is low enough, don’t need to make it lower
It’s not really here to break or do big damage

[rapid frost]

If you’re not looking for a mon that breaks or dishes out high damage

Then what exactly does kyurem bring to the table

[stone sierra]

1v1ing a lot of stuff

And being fat as fuck

It’s also a semi bait set
It’s eved to be able to beat mons it normally shouldn’t in a 1v1

[rapid frost]

Which mons are those exactly

[stone sierra]

Ival, bulky ghold

I’m p sure enam aswell

And hat

[rapid frost]

Also on 1v1ing kyurem, surely Draco is better since it actually ohkos opposing kyurem

Like yeah you can click dpulse more but you click Draco and you have to take a lot less damage since the opposing kyurem now hits you once instead of twice

[stone sierra]

Idk I just really hate the spa drop here

[alpine hornet]

the immediate power is worth it

[stone sierra]

Is there anything I should change here other than kyurem sets

[alpine hornet]

on turns u dont want the spatk drop

click an ice move

[rapid frost]

Freeze dry already hits every thing pretty much yeah

[alpine hornet]

your attitude for one 😭

[stone sierra]

Sorry I’m a bit pissy rn due to irl stuff

[rapid frost]

The scenarios where you will click dpulse over freeze dry are incredibly rare already

[stone sierra]

So all I have to do is go meteor on kyurem and tera corv/ting right?

Don’t have to change anything else?

[rapid frost]

Why are your ting evs like that

They aren’t like that bad just confused why

[alpine hornet]

also @stone sierra what's the def and spdef on kyu for, bold feels like suboptimal evs and if ik what ur calcing for i can try and fix that

[stone sierra]

Outspeed opposing ting
Saw sample teams run 4 speed ev ting lu

[elder knoll]

hi Quil and Ducky

[rapid frost]

Also change all your evs to make sure your mons have odd HP stats

[rapid frost]

But what are the 4 defense EVs for

[stone sierra]

Spdef is for ival moonblast, I always live 2 unboosted
Honestly I forgot the bold calc

[stone sierra]

It’s just more bulk? I thought that was the standard spread

Aside from speed

252 4 252

[rapid frost]

I mean it’s 4 EVs and basically makes no difference but surely you take the EVs out of def first and not spdef for a special wall

Also standard is 248 8 252

[hot dome]

i seriously need to know whats up with like the roving group of stallcrod members that just pop up every once in a while in the rmt all at once and then leave

[alpine hornet]

ducky just pinged me to explain why meteor > pulse

[stone sierra]

Oh yeah idk why I did that😭

[hot dome]

yeah that would explain it

[rapid frost]

We’re just members of the community, and often when one of us show up that entices more of us who see our friends to join in

[alpine hornet]

lmfao

[rapid frost]

Also that but I didn’t ping pinkstork

[alpine hornet]

252 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 104 SpD Assault Vest Kyurem: 192-228 (42.2 - 50.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

erm

[stone sierra]

If it’s less than one it isn’t real

[alpine hornet]

u want 112 spdef

[final relic]

why is volcanion so slow

i feel like surely you wanna outrun gliscor

[rapid frost]

It’s also a bit risky since your kyurem is weak to all the hazards

[stone sierra]

Idk how to volc

[stone sierra]

I don’t think I can live moonblast at all post hazards chip

Maybe if I’m +spdef?

[alpine hornet]

@stone sierra

optimized spread

w modest

[stone sierra]

Ty

I just realized why I was bold

Was trying to run body press before I thought it didn’t hit anything

So I swapped off and forgot to change nature

[alpine hornet]

oh LOL so the defense is for nothing?

lemme find a significant calc then i think the closest one is sd ival cc

[rapid frost]

I was wondering if it was for ival cc or woger…..

[elder knoll]

isn't press over dragon pulse better for a set this bulky?

you live gambit sucker

and squish it in return

[stone sierra]

I think I went max hp, did the ival calc for 104 spdef, did a freeze dry calc for that spa (forgot which), then dumped the rest in defense

[stone sierra]

Doesn’t ohko I think

Ep also 2hkos

[alpine hornet]

heres a more optimized spread @stone sierra

[rapid frost]

Doesn’t kyurem get focus blast?

[elder knoll]

you could go for focus blast

yeah

[stone sierra]

Already have that on ghold and am on idbp corv

[stone sierra]

Ty for optimizing my crackpot cook

I was worried I’d get told the team was way too jank bc of Volc +wacky kyurem set

Also sorry chicos

[alpine hornet]

nah i believe in av kyu and am a volcanion fan

[rapid frost]

This is Aquilo we’re talking about

[proud stratus]

It's easy to pressure weezg. It works well into bulkier team

[rapid frost]

This is an average Saturday night in his builder

[proud stratus]

Np

[elder knoll]

bro memester showed me a team Quil cooked today

[rapid frost]

That is true, your team doesn’t have the defensive backbone gweezing usually needs

[elder knoll]

im a bit concerned about his sanity

😭

[stone sierra]

Corv ting isn’t enough?

Kyurem is also pretty bulky

[rapid frost]

After Quacklord disappeared someone had to take on all the excess energy

[alpine hornet]

also @stone sierra hit a little faster on volc and lowk make kyu tfairy focus over flash cannon; make corv uturn here

[proud stratus]

It's in fact on the best removal in the tier but having two offensive mon really weak to hazard makes weezing really weak to long term pressure

[alpine hornet]

u want the pivot to bring in canion

[stone sierra]

So bb over idbp?

[elder knoll]

it's usually paired with stuff like Pex, Corv, and Ting

[alpine hornet]

yh

[stone sierra]

Why 4 speed over 8? I really hate speed ties and max speed bolt speed ties with 4 speed evs

[rapid frost]

Your team does seem a bit weak to offensive pivots

[alpine hornet]

scor never runs 4 speed

gonna be so fr

[rapid frost]

No regenerator means your mons can get easily forced out and chipped down

[alpine hornet]

oh for bolt hmm

idk u could run 8

i feel like

90% of bolts

are max speed tho

[rapid frost]

Open your builder rn I want to see those gliscors

[alpine hornet]

and the rest are like fatter and slower than 227

[stone sierra]

That one ctc team runs max speed

Honestly I love that set, speedy sd gliscor is so fun

[proud stratus]

Max speed exist with sd

[alpine hornet]

oh i mean yeah 250 is common and 317 is decently common but bulky scor always stays at 0 speed invest

[rapid frost]

With some exceptions for ladder sets that use showdowns awful autogenerated sets bolt will usually be 252 speed

[proud stratus]

Well almost

[elder knoll]

it's usually 252 or 200 for ada Gambit

[stone sierra]

Ngl im perpetually low ladder bc im bad+low ladder opponent plays hurt my brain

[proud stratus]

Bulky bolt lefties is a thing

[rapid frost]

True but I’ve never seen it at 4 speed EVs

[proud stratus]

Never try to anticipate at low ladder. Just use a plan

[elder knoll]

just click whats in front of you

[rapid frost]

I’m also not 100% sure if Ghold is the right choice here

Your only hazards are rocks and you’re running double defog

[proud stratus]

Ghold is just good by himself

[stone sierra]

I just think scarf ghold is fucking nuts, it always feels absurdly powerful when I use it

[rapid frost]

True, but idk if Ghold is the best option here

[proud stratus]

It has one the best defensive type in the game and just feat every team

[elder knoll]

I feel like the team is lacking an actual way to end games

[stone sierra]

Besides there’s a sample team with gweeze ghold no?

[proud stratus]

They're a lot

[rapid frost]

I’m usually a fan of recover over focus blast on scarf ghold tbh

[proud stratus]

Offensive team - > focus defensive - > recover

[stone sierra]

Ic
I have an unreasonable bias against gambit and wanted to debt free switch ins which is why I went blast

[rapid frost]

Even in offensive teams recover really helps against bulkier MUs

[proud stratus]

Yeah it depends on the team

[rapid frost]

Focus blast just feels like such a risky click always as well, outside of HOs being able to switch in more or even having nasty plot for more pressure is usually more useful

This team in general feels a bit chip weak

Only corv has reliable recovery, the offensive parts are slow and somewhat prone to being forced out, and are also both rocks weak

[stone sierra]

Should I go spdef wish pass clefable or smth?

[proud stratus]

Nah the problem is the idea of the team

You start with a balance core but you go for pokemon that doesn't fit this style

[stone sierra]

Honestly I just wanted to go av kyurem, and like playing fat balance so I went with that
Would this fit better on a BO or?

[proud stratus]

So you have both defensive and offensive weakness

I have a kyurem av team

That fit your style

[rapid frost]

I’m honestly not entirely sure what av kyurem really fits into tbh

[stone sierra]

I just thought the Mon looked bulky and wanted to invest in that

[rapid frost]

Chicos is probably better on this respect, but it feels to have all the issues of boots with not enough power, with additional defensive liabilities of needing constant hazard support

[stone sierra]

Maybe I could do a double removal BO?

Or hatt+tusk/corv

[proud stratus]

@stone sierra https://pokepast.es/be4b7a10e09934cf

[stone sierra]

Ty

[proud stratus]

I didn't use this that much. It's not mine

Well i steal it after winning my game for blt

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/ff38e8c8cadbedd3 smth like this?

Or does Av Kyurem not fit here

[stone sierra]

Now I steal it

[rapid frost]

As is tradition

[proud stratus]

Too slow, remove volcanion, use specs on kyurem. AV on hatt, and a faster mon as a last

Rock Slide is useless on tusk, put rocks unless you want to kill moltres for a mon to sweep

Because you have zap anyway

And kyurem

[stone sierra]

Specs enam or smth?

[proud stratus]

Too slow

[stone sierra]

Scarf?

[proud stratus]

Zam

[stone sierra]

Kk

[proud stratus]

Nah you need a physical breaker

Zam with clear or band

[stone sierra]

I thought band zama was for bulkier structures?

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/89d1475a0e951fb8 ?

[proud stratus]

Not really

Yeah better the team has weaknesses but should be alright

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/30f8e30620bc459c

any changes so far its been feeling good

i have tought about defensive gliscor over specially defensive

[empty verge]

Corv the best removal trust just eliminate golden joe

😂

[north nimbus]

I mean

I would trust Corv more

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/3308d34aa6422eb4
Turn my brain on and go wild🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[stone sierra]

Why not brain off instead

[wooden linden]

Feels more rewarding

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/d8b2534ccc6a77f3

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

bulky offense with 2 fairy type cuz i like fairy type 😦

[unkempt bramble]

https://pokepast.es/5db9102382cc70f2

Hey guys, i found this singles team and i fell in love with it, but i saw a comment saying it works better as a doubles team, what changes to items and moves do i need to make it better for doubles?

[limber spear]

uh i assume its hard trickroom core and what doubles format

vgc regs/double ou uu ect

[unkempt bramble]

Doubles ou

[limber spear]

use indeedee female with follow me

[unkempt bramble]

And yeah its trick room, i can share the link to the article i found this team from?

[limber spear]

follow me trick roomprotect and a stab/coverage

[limber spear]

i think so

yeah wynaut

[unkempt bramble]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/twisted-magic-unite-psychic-terrain-trick-room-offense-peak-5-2015-elo-ft-azumarill-hoopa-u-mimikyu.3762770/

This

[limber spear]

u might need a find a double ou person

i only have very small knowledge of it

[unkempt bramble]

I did post it in doubles ou rates too

[limber spear]

oh nice then i guess ppl there could help more than me 🙂

[stone sierra]

Ask in the vgc rates chat instead i think

[limber spear]

is choice band valiant usable

https://pokepast.es/a1b6a93fd66066dd choice band valiant cuz i dont feel like valiant hits hard enough normally

ice punch hits waterpong for neutral pre tera and gliscor but i am thinking of thunder punch for waters

[bright plinth]

guys who is better for sun team ninetales or torkoal

https://pokepast.es/f16422c84f0e46a9 this is my current team

[limber spear]

why tera blast on cera

usable but i wanna know why

[bright plinth]

i found the team on the samples thing

[limber spear]

sample team?

then just use it

they should be good enough

[bright plinth]

okay i am asking just to see if it can be improved

[stone sierra]

It was made by our glorious baselord ctc

Don’t alter it

Only change what he put in the pokepastes notes

[limber spear]

what does fire ghost cant hit but fire fairy hit

like what common mons

[bright plinth]

okay got it

[stone sierra]

Stuff like dnite doesn’t really care much about either

[limber spear]

yeah ig

[stone sierra]

Fairy ghost fire is a stupid hard stab combination to resist

[limber spear]

no its

fire grass fairy

not fairy ghost fire

its solar blade

[stone sierra]

Oh
Prolly just coverage idk

[bright plinth]

yeah no ghost stab

[limber spear]

yeah ig it has to hit dragon

[stone sierra]

Don’t change anything unless ctc said to change it in the notes

[bright plinth]

maybe for fighting

[limber spear]

i think its for raging bolt or dnite

[bright plinth]

okay imma trust him

[limber spear]

yeah he is a great player

[bright plinth]

tbh its very sneaky

[sterile jay]

so i really need a water resist after more testing

https://pokepast.es/30f8e30620bc459c

who should go lol

[limber spear]

do i hear water resist

idc what that is but slap a waterpon

joke

[sterile jay]

watersping is always the answer

[limber spear]

remove garg

[sterile jay]

problem is

kinda hard to switch in lmao

[limber spear]

what does garg provide

for your team

anothr ground weakness trust

[sterile jay]

it helps me to switch into some setups mons dragapult and kyogre safely

[limber spear]

kyogre wait what

[sterile jay]

also stops setups swepers from setting up w salt cure

but yeah i can see the problem w him in this team

[stone sierra]

What’s your elo? Sorry if this seems sorta abrasive but it’s really annoying when people not good at a tier give bad advice so I’m just making sure you know what you’re talking about

[sterile jay]

he is way to passive compared to the rest

[limber spear]

i suck

around 1700 only

yeah prolly leave it to ting lu

[sterile jay]

isnt that top 500

[limber spear]

he is better

[stone sierra]

Dw I’m worse

[limber spear]

idk

[stone sierra]

I don’t give advice either

[limber spear]

badge is 1850

[sterile jay]

actually yeah ting lu is probs the best option

but like i really need something to counter watersping lmao

[limber spear]

but u said u need water resist

[sterile jay]

i could put him over gliscor w more testing lol

[limber spear]

toxic kinda needed

[sterile jay]

but yeah i do really need that wellspring resist

truetrue

[limber spear]

the problem with garg is that its tera reliant+ it has rocks with tusk has already

and toxic can chip already

[sterile jay]

truetrue

i am not at a 100 brain capacity rn lmao

[limber spear]

is there a specific waterpon set

[sterile jay]

hydrapple is kind of an option

[limber spear]

like there r u turn encore taunt horn leech stuff

like a lot of variations

[sterile jay]

the power whip max speed u turn ivy cudgel

like its just hard to switch into rn

[limber spear]

oh

[sterile jay]

half my hp on all my mons dissapears

[limber spear]

uh hydrapple cant rlly help with that cuz like u turn chips it over the game but it surely gives u a short term counter

[sterile jay]

wellspring not an option bcs he just switches into u turn or power whip

or horn leach

[limber spear]

u can try it

[sterile jay]

yeaah but i do mind it less since it got regenerator

[limber spear]

yeah ig hydrappl works

[sterile jay]

plus draco meteor for every switch in

[limber spear]

let me try and make one

[sterile jay]

tyy

[limber spear]

but it might be bad cuz

i suck ._.

[sterile jay]

i mean not really 1700 seems really decent tho

my max is the 1600s lol

[limber spear]

but the fun fact is that

i played stall

[sterile jay]

i mean it still takes skill between 1500 and 1700

[alpine hornet]

#comp-general

:)

[sterile jay]

oh yeah sorry lmao

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/4000f3ce980457ee i did small changes but uh so first there isnt a great special wall there as the defensive core there is ig gliscor with gt? like they both weak to ice and water so hydrapple fills the water side but the team is weak to ice moves which is common in ou but surely u got 2 mons to resist it so its not much of a problem

also most of your attacker are special

like 3/4 are but blissey is fine with crown

while for the hydrapple one i chose av set cuz u needed a special wall but then it doesnt rlly help with the waterpon matchup which was the problem and av set isnt written in smogon build and sticky hold could be a great choice here for knock off ogerpon (but regen is still better i think )

so many yap

maybe put it in a few games first

i can test on my alt

but the team is weak to kyurem like crazy :_:

[sterile jay]

yeaaah thats why garg was there kind of lmao

also tyyy so much for the help i really apreciate it

[limber spear]

np

but uh the team is strange

[sterile jay]

for sure i just been throwing things at the wall lately honestly

this feels like it works and i like having so much offense

but for sure i need to work on it more

hydrapple looks really nice on the team tho

[limber spear]

yeah a solid waterpon check

[sterile jay]

i did change frickle for draco meteor tho

it just feel more consistent

also gets the ko on things fricke without the boost cant

[limber spear]

oh yeah

[sterile jay]

i think gliscor will go by the need form of the team tho

like he can be anoying

but feels like the weakest link in the team

[limber spear]

the attackers is strange tho

3 of them r special but u got a psyshock

is there any mon u like

[sterile jay]

specs draga for sure is staying

[limber spear]

or any type of team u like

oh

[sterile jay]

i like offense rn since i feel it matches up well into the meta

but for the rest i could change crown or the moth

[limber spear]

sad thing i play defensive ah cringe teams 😭

[sterile jay]

eeh its fine they are def strong agaisnt the meta rn lmao

[limber spear]

do u play bulky offense

i do have a bo specs pult team

[sterile jay]

yeaah i like bulky offense

also maybe gambit over crown in this team

bulky steel type that gives me speed control w sucker and the potential to reverse sweep

[limber spear]

it gives u a clear wincon

[sterile jay]

for sure

also over gliscor maybe okidogi?

[limber spear]

unlike 30% focus blast

[sterile jay]

it takes on kyurem well

[trail whale]

It's a sample because it's good as it is
It's better if you play with the team and then be more specific about what you want help with, usually sacrificing something for a better match up into something else.

[sterile jay]

also i can just spam at a wall until i poison it

bulky too

and should in theory

[limber spear]

do u run av on ogi

or smth

[sterile jay]

flow better since i can keep the offense

yeah

[limber spear]

yeah it checks most stuff

besides psychic valiant

its a great answer to valiant

which i hate

[sterile jay]

truee i also can deal with psychic valiant with a tera

https://pokepast.es/37c9d986c9aafe16

i think it looks a ton better now : D

[limber spear]

seems nice

[sterile jay]

the only other thing that comes to my mind that it could struggle to would be the birds but i can always change a move or two after testing

tyyy a lot for the help feesh

[limber spear]

np love the whiscash :)

[trail whale]

The double Booster looks giga awkward here, you have a bulky defensive core and a Choice Specs Dragapult for breaking as you carefully pivot it in, and then the 1 time set up mons that hate switching.

You should use something like Waterpon + Kingambit, giving you a water resist, Knock Off, and a pivot Pokemon for Dragapult in one. Kingambit seems like the most consistent Pokemon covering your other holes, being an ice resist and priority revenge killer when Dragapult isn't powerful enough speed control.

Idk what discussion I missed but how the hell did we get to Hydrapple + Dogi...

[sterile jay]

toxic need, gliscor not doing that much and needed the resists they both give lmao

[trail whale]

You shouldn't overly focus on resists imo

The original looked like a fine hazard stack idea

[sterile jay]

i was triying to build offense ngl lmao

[limber spear]

ngl specs iron crown is great

[trail whale]

Well uh
This team still looks awkward for Offense

[limber spear]

nvm doesnt fit

[trail whale]

It doesn't generate enough momentum

[sterile jay]

thats truee

what could i change ?

[limber spear]

i think remove hydrapple

[trail whale]

What's the idea you want to build with
I think there are a lot of directions you can go and many of them end up scrapping a lot of Pokemon

[sterile jay]

something that allows me to keep momentum while i attack and chip that way

[limber spear]

so pivot spam

i think

[sterile jay]

not hyper but still something offensive

[trail whale]

Like
What Pokemon or core

[sterile jay]

oooh

specs dragapult and tusk

also gambit thinking more about it

[trail whale]

I think a Bulky Offense would suit the core your going for!

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/2d6e7b68648a42a7 may i have some advices too i need priority for smth(does scarf pult work it seems gimicky

[sterile jay]

thanks you i been strugling to put a name to what i want lol

[limber spear]

if u wondering why is there a band valiant

idk

seems fun

nvm life orb is a thing

[trail whale]

Moltres Gambit Zamazenta Gking spitballing
Your defensive pieces have pivot moves that let your offensive Pokemon come in and apply pressure, while also having good longevity

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/8597f5472526e973

i like it a ton the only one i would keep in tho would be apple

its just that i think wellspring is just really really cmon right now so i like the resistances in general

also draco nuke and giga drain

in the other hand iron press zama still is able to take on wellspring if am not wrong right ?

[limber spear]

taunt/encore sets

[trail whale]

I think you'd want to be more aggressive with this team

Mixed Booster Valiant as your speed control and dropping Dragapult for Dragon Dance Dragonite/Kyurem, just smth so you have a Waterpon switch in that isn't Zapdos

There is a Boots Prim BO sample you can take inspiration from if you don't care about the Primarina set

[limber spear]

oh yeah i see it now thanks

i rlly like sub on it

[trail whale]

Moonblast Surf Encore Flip

[limber spear]

oh uh

nvm i dont like that

[trail whale]

Even Boots AoA Zamazenta can, you just have to make sure Ogerpon lacks room to breathe.

[sterile jay]

i will try both versions a bit i think

but tyyy both for the help teambuilding is my biggest struggle in this game

[limber spear]

what r the pro and cons of dnite and kyurem besides dnite being more bulky and kyurem is ice type(great offensive stat)

[sterile jay]

[trail whale]

No worries ❤️

[limber spear]

does kyurem run loaded rice

[sterile jay]

dragon dance yeah

tera blast

ici spear

scale shot

[limber spear]

the tera types are the hard choice

[sterile jay]

for sure

tera electric is a pretty popular one

[limber spear]

its bolt beam or a way to hit kingambit

[sterile jay]

but you can really fit into whatever your team needs

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/19c2f7c5d42ee90f if you wanna go a bit bulkier on prim i was told this team was pretty good

[sterile jay]

or fire for the will o wisp resist

[limber spear]

ig bolt beam

[limber spear]

thats a bit too defensive i gotta detox

but seems nice

imma save it

[stone sierra]

Fair

[stone sierra]

First team I posted here and wasn’t told it had any major flaws, just had to change some tera types and single set

[trail whale]

The bulk is really big since it means Dragonite can act as a soft check to opposing threats and gives Dragonite much more set up opportunities. Dragonite is also harder to wall because it's more versatile and uses coverage.

Kyurem is more immidietely threatening with 100BP STABs and has a better speed tier that lets it out run Pokemon like Dragapult and Zamazenta with an Adamant nature,

[stone sierra]

Dnite generally has more fucked up sets that can catch opponents off guard aswell, kyurem only has 2 pure physical dance sets

Dnite gets stuff like encore ddance sub tera flying blast

Or spell tag

[sterile jay]

thunder wave roost....

[limber spear]

ngl on paper i would want dnite due to its ability to act as a wall some times with scale but by team would be weak to freezedry with 4 weakness and 1 av crown as resistence would that be enough

look at how fat dragonite is(x) i want a priority mainly thats why

[trail whale]

Oh also why is Great Tusk Tera Fairy I think you'd get a lot more out of Tera Steel

[limber spear]

was trying to catch raging bolt

and hit with a headlong

but meh

[sterile jay]

@trail whale ok so double regenerator core that have common resists and hit hard

is strong

i dont think am dropping the apple lmao

[pulsar valve]

What do yall think about

Boots Lokix
Defensive lefties Rotom wash
Sd Gliscor
Boots pech
Boots torn
Heatran

[limber spear]

its better to give paste

we get a full picture of movesets/ev iv / tera

[pulsar valve]

https://pokepast.es/e454e37316cc14ff

[pulsar valve]

here it is

[limber spear]

sludge wave on torn is insane tho

what is it targetting to hit

sludge bomb is always better

and also u would want some speed on pech

[pulsar valve]

why?

[limber spear]

u would like to out speed some mons

[regal ginkgo]

Pecharunt (Gen 9)

Typing

Poison / Ghost

Abilities

0: Poison Puppeteer

Base Stats (BST: 600)

88 / 88 / 160 / 88 / 88 / 88

Weight

0.3 kg (20 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[limber spear]

oh great tusk i think

252 is faster than gt by 1 bst

and always prevent a knock off/head long towards u

also 180 on therian is too much , 168 ev outspeeds 350(max speed ogerpon)

[pallid coral]

https://pokepast.es/ae370b5bcf9b528c thoughts

[limber spear]

doesn’t gholdengo hard wall your zama

also u might want corv over skarm as it gets defog and u have 3 spikes setter

gholdengo always wanted on hazard stacking but there is the rise of NG weez

sludge wave is bad use sludge bomb on your gloking

[limber spear]

use crunch

i would say zama gholdengo gliscor + special defensive clef would make a better core

And with a spin user too

type diversity might be wanted on more defensive approaches as a way to rack up chip

[trail whale]

Crunch is mandatory on Zamazenta to not be completely walled by Ghold & Pech. Drop Heavy Slam since your Valiant & Enamorus match up are sturdy.

You are stunning 3 spikes setters when you only need 1, make the Gliscor Swords Dance making your team less passive and make the Skarm a Kingambit for a more consistent ghost resist. The Kingambit can also be a Rocks Garg and then make the Clef Twave/Knock

[pallid coral]

Thanks a lot 🙌

[pallid coral]

Who do I replace for ghold

https://pokepast.es/db67d9006949b2c0

This is what I got rn

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

gloking

[pallid coral]

Ok

Scarf set?

[limber spear]

max speed on gambit might not be the best choice here

works

or defensive sets

[pallid coral]

https://pokepast.es/a8458b06c3a0816c

How’s this

@limber spear

[limber spear]

is tera fire on zama to tnk a willo

also wrong gliscor set

[pallid coral]

Yes

[limber spear]

should be knock off/eq , facade , sd , potect

[pallid coral]

Ok

Then tera normal

[limber spear]

uh recover might be wanted on gholdengo

not sure tho

cuz recover helps u maintain your hazard removal preventer

[pallid coral]

Yeah

I will test it and make the recover change if needed

https://pokepast.es/ca1fd2d7162a7533

So this good now?

[limber spear]

yeah ig

without a hazard remover is sad but try it first ig

[pallid coral]

So when I test would I put a tusk or treads

Maybe a quaquaval

[limber spear]

quaqua is strange

[pulsar valve]

what are some great mons to check popular ice ground users

like dnite kyurem tusk treads

[undone pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/772856f727236fd5

[limber spear]

sadly there isn’t great check to deal with those 4 i think

it’s the mamoswine stab after all

corv could check dd kyurem

but not specs builds and volt switch treads

[limber spear]

uh how is fluttermane there

stellar isn’t great in weav cuz it’s typing struggles a lot against common mon in ou like gambit or prima and stellar pair rs bad with choice items

[limber spear]

sd should be on ursa with facade as a strong stab
garg should have rocks as a form of hazard but not a must
lo isn’t great with gambit use lefties instead as u might put yourself to death in the late game as u would commonly sd on some mons that do like 60%~ to u with some chips from early game

the dog and flutter just strange choices but ig it works

[gritty lake]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[limber spear]

bro straight up gave up

what if they like the bread dog 😦

ignore flutter mane

[gritty lake]

U seeing the flutter mane and dachsbun?

[limber spear]

ik

but

dachsbun might be their fav

if they like it then use it

for flutter mane uh ig

nvm the dog is using safety goggles with trailblaze

[gritty lake]

Also the lorb gambit

Also stabless ursa

This a vgc player probably

With the safety glasses and sash on non suicide lead

[limber spear]

there isnt protect or redirection

or fakeout support/tr stuff

cant be a vgc player

prolly a newer player

"untitled 1" yeah prolly their first team

[gritty lake]

Newer players' builds don't have these movesets or ev spreads

[limber spear]

there is a recommanding system

no way the dog runs max attack

only the build in system in ps does that

[gritty lake]

I mean a newer guy would use night slash weavile 100%

[limber spear]

right

its 65(on paper) and 70

explain jolly ursaluna

[gritty lake]

Outspeeds ada gambit

[limber spear]

u sure a new player would know that?(i mean i dont even know that too

cuz i hate kingambit

never runs it

avg person running 2 fighting types on a team

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/82fe1ac1f5a60cd4

[hot dome]

Please don’t give rates for a team that is clearly not intended for this tier

[undone pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/dffbf7ad6e501603

pasted wrong one

[gritty lake]

Welp

I linked the samples above

[hot dome]

This team is still unviable, gengar and fidough are both unviable, LO gambit is similarly unviable and the rest of the team doesn’t seem to be built with any structure in mind, I would recommend you use sample teams to learn the tier first before building

!gen9ousamples