SV OU Rates

[spiral wedge]

Wdym former btw

[gusty ocean]

It got banned lol

Someone let notorious master criminal weird hamster in

And so the account was removed

We got a new one but the server name stuck Yk

[spiral wedge]

Oh ic

[wary carbon]

Is this non rated ou discussion in ou rates

[gusty ocean]

Yes!

[spiral wedge]

This guy sounds evil btw

[gusty ocean]

Ye pretty sure he committed bank fraud

That or grand larceny

[wary carbon]

Watch out you guys will get smitten down by the smogcord mods for talking out of line 😨

[gusty ocean]

Or was it conspiracy to overthrow the government Idr

[gusty ocean]

Heh. I’m above such petty things.

I larp far and wide

[spiral wedge]

Wait are you alt of luthivira???

[gusty ocean]

No?

[wary carbon]

A larp resistance

[gusty ocean]

Viva la larpelucion

[wary carbon]

This guy doesn’t know who lithivira is 🥀

[gusty ocean]

I know it isn’t me.

Ok uh

To stay on topic

We should move Charjabug out of unranked!

Personally I think a or s tier but ik you people aren’t ready for that so

[nocturne sable]

This is not a RMT 💔💔🥀

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/fb18d37a9e289c2e would this be better if I replaced lando with corv and put rocks on tusk?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

Maybe treads> tusk?

[low phoenix]

I think darkrai can be standard nasty plot to add some breaking power and form a breaking core with prim

Zama can be idbp for your late game cleaner

And yea treads can work over tusk

[north nimbus]

Use endeavor custap treads

[low phoenix]

im guessing its from wcop lmao

[north nimbus]

Iron Treads @ Custap Berry
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 144 Atk / 72 Def / 244 SpD / 48 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• Ice Spinner
• Endeavor
• Rapid Spin

Evs let you survive woger cudgel and moth fiery dance

[low phoenix]

where did u find that set?

[north nimbus]

It was posted in the ou vr

[low phoenix]

interesting

[hollow perch]

But then there's no knock off

[north nimbus]

You can do knock > ice spinner tbh but yeah

[faint vortex]

https://pokepast.es/4786fbe7d351de10 Needing additional feedback, please and thank you. Posted this team a couple of days ago

[low phoenix]

valiant farms this team

whats the game plan for your team?

[faint vortex]

Hazard stack offense is the goal

[faint vortex]

One of my problem mons

[low phoenix]

tinkaton sounds nice

tink over raging bolt

if you worry about double steel pech can substitute gholdengo

hamurott can be some wincon like sd gliscor

writing something rn seperate from pokemons so apologies if my rate isnt as thorough this time

[faint vortex]

Thing is, I am wanting to build this team around samurott, and bolt to a lesser extent

[low phoenix]

you probably want to build an offensive hazard stack then

[faint vortex]

All good, appreciate your help all the same

[faint vortex]

Which means lu out?

[low phoenix]

yea i dont think lu fits then

https://pokepast.es/d3f78ee0e3a4ff29

this was a hazard stack team built by a well known player recently

[faint vortex]

Yes pinkacross, I know it well

I wanted to built a team similar to it but use mons I don't get to use as much

like bolt

[trail whale]

Hype Tauntless Lando

[gritty lake]

Pinkacross mentioned 🔥

[faint vortex]

So after some tinkering, I've changed the team near entirely to fit a more offensive style. It may be a bit far out, let me know your thoughts https://pokepast.es/02f7d6e57377132e

[wooden linden]

Psychic isnt really needed on rai

You can go wisp over psychic for the utility here

I'd also recommend changing the dnite set here since tera ghost isnt really needed

I'd suggest going tera fairy

[steel arrow]

is tera flying and an air balloon really necessary?

[bright plinth]

can anyone help me with this team? https://pokepast.es/51a2020a3fa36ea3 i want to keep ceruledge. i tried sun team but didn't like it

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden linden]

Ceru is fine on this team

[north nimbus]

This seems fine

[wooden linden]

Change the val set though prob

Modest cm tera ghost should be fine

[north nimbus]

^

[magic dome]

you can make ceru ada i think

unless theres a speed tier im forgetting

[north nimbus]

You outspeed dengo by being jolly

[magic dome]

yeah true

with ada, +2 sneak does 92-110 w/o tera ghost

+2 close combat also ohkos tinglu

which is great for bolt and ghold in the back

[low phoenix]

why does this team feel weak to great tusk of all mons

you have a few temp checks in air balloon ghold and dnite sure but i feel like you dont switch well into the majority of physical attackers

[faint vortex]

Hello there, thanks for the feedback. I had figured to give rai psychic stab to help against Tusk and valiant. Wisp is a good option for handling all physical offensive threats.

[low phoenix]

ice beam handles tusk well

for valiant just use sludge bomb

[elder knoll]

You have ice beam for tusk and sludge beam for Val

yeah

[faint vortex]

Would that interfere with the Tera fairy Gambit set i have currently?

[low phoenix]

i dont think three steels is necessart

[faint vortex]

I figured to have extra assurance against lando and tusk

[low phoenix]

oh yea no ground

voltturn makes progress on you for free

[faint vortex]

Wait, then I must have thought to add psychic for another mon.

[low phoenix]

great tusk with close combat feels like an appealing option over kingambit ngl

[nocturne sable]

Tbf raging bolt can do decent against most volt users

[low phoenix]

what does psychic target that your other moves dont

[faint vortex]

I figured Sludge Bomb was redundant with my 3 steels, but I also acknowledge it would be good for pon and other Grass types

[nocturne sable]

Can come in and has the potential to force progress

[low phoenix]

im saying that opposing voltturn cores make free progress as you have nothing to punish their usage

[faint vortex]

Zama? I think that was my train of thought

[low phoenix]

zama is faster

[faint vortex]

Booster or boots?

[low phoenix]

darkrai is not a zama check

boots

[nocturne sable]

Wait I just checked the paste again he has tusk

[low phoenix]

since your team appreciates the increased longetivity

[nocturne sable]

Kk nvm I was looking at the wrong paste lol

[faint vortex]

Nvrmind lol

[nocturne sable]

That was messing me up

How does Tera ground dnite sound like?

[low phoenix]

i think standard dd works

you dont need to be reliant on tera

[faint vortex]

I had pivot bolt on here before the changes, I could add it again

[low phoenix]

nah keep the flying type

[faint vortex]

I have a team built around it already a d wanted to expand with a new dnite set

[faint vortex]

For dnite?

[low phoenix]

yes

[north nimbus]

What team we talking about ?

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/02f7d6e57377132e

[faint vortex]

Make it Tera flying?

Or just normal espeed?

[nocturne sable]

^ @north nimbus

[low phoenix]

no im saying keep dragonite

[faint vortex]

Ahhh, I wasn't thinking of getting rid of it

[low phoenix]

sinistcha mightve fallen off but i think you can try it over gholdengo

[faint vortex]

I was thinking of getting rid of gambit

[low phoenix]

compress a tusk switchin and wogerpon check and wincon

[faint vortex]

Thought of it, but wouldn't it fit a defensive h stack better as opposed to offensive?

[low phoenix]

i think it can still work

sinistchas seen use on faster paced teams in the past

[north nimbus]

What’s the issue with the squad

[elder knoll]

Being weak to Tusk in 2025

[nocturne sable]

Tusk, valiant, voltturn

[elder knoll]

is a choice

[wooden linden]

My team is weak to tusk

[faint vortex]

Ok so what can I do to strengthen my mu against these?

[north nimbus]

Is there anything you want to keep ?

[wooden linden]

You could prob take a smth out for lando here

[nocturne sable]

My idea is to make Hamurott scarf to help with your speed control and then probably drop tinka for a landorus

[wooden linden]

A ground type is needed anyways

Ep lando specifically cuz tusk

[north nimbus]

Yeah

[wooden linden]

Id say over gambit here tbh

[north nimbus]

But then no actual ghost resist

Unless u do Av Sammy here

[wooden linden]

They prob can afford av samu

Though tbf samu plus rai should be good enough

https://pokepast.es/cec11e259be2a9fa
@faint vortex

I decided to recreate the team for you rq

I added val over tinka cuz the team would like some speed control

I also made dnite tb fly to get past tusk and val if needed

Lemme know if youd like smth to be changed

[north nimbus]

Yeah this makes sense

[wooden linden]

Little worried of fairies but thats about it rn

[faint vortex]

This is great, thank you! Will be cool to test.

One change I'd make is removing knock off on darkrai since val and hamu both have it

Yeah this seems a better team overall

[wooden linden]

Yeah go ahead with sludge over knock

[faint vortex]

Will do!

Huge thank you to everyone taking the time to look over my team and for your feedback. I am not the best with team building, so I am looking to try new sets or mons to gain more experience. Much gratitude

[low phoenix]

bet

were here if you need anything

[wooden linden]

Its chill

[low phoenix]

i think boots tera electric valiant makes sense

can slot in thunderbolt to threaten the birds

[wooden linden]

They could

They really need the +1 here though

[low phoenix]

this team is fast enough that booster valiant is viable tho

[wooden linden]

The team being slower than pult is really bad here

I think you could put tbolt here though

[faint vortex]

I'm not following. Should I change my val set?

[wooden linden]

Nah prob not

Unless you really struggle against corv and molt theres not much need

[steel arrow]

Can i get some help with this team? Floatzel is an incredible breaker along with (from my experience) Bolt and Lando providing great utility for the team, I do feel like webs help a lot, though intel seems to not be doing much. It's just that i cant seem to find a better breaker than it.
https://pokepast.es/497fbda90ebb18e2

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden linden]

rain and webs generally dont really match with each other

you usually outspeed everything in rain anyways

inteleon is also not really useful here

theres a lot of rain mons but on the top of my head im thinking of kingdra

https://pokepast.es/556af22750765235
smth like this should work out

[steel arrow]

K ill try it

[hot dome]

Be careful around wellspring with this team, play rough variants can threaten your entire team so make sure to play aggressively and dont let it in freely

Honestly, I would suggest LO Kingdra instead so you don’t have two choiced mons which can let Wellspring in, but that duo to you

[steel arrow]

Not to be mean or anything but the teams rillaboom matchup seems almost unwinnable if the opponent knows what they're doing. Yeah ik overqwil's there but it doesnt seem to beat rilla just counter it. Imo Flying Blast Lando T is better since it threatens incoming steels. The wallbreaking also seems way too limited outside of barras, so if it goes down defensive cores arent going to go down without risky hard reads.

[steel arrow]

Yeah and wellspring

Which i think flying blast lando beats with somewhat ease as well

[steel arrow]

If specs is insisted wake is still a better option than kingdra due to its infinitely better stat spread

[wooden linden]

youre not using wake on a rain team over kingdra tbh

theres not much of a reason to

doesnt take advantage of rain as much as kingdra

[hot dome]

Rillaboom can’t beat Bolt nor Qwil?

[wooden linden]

yeah that too

rilla isnt too common either

you should be fine vs rilla

[steel arrow]

Its UUBL so its not impossible that rilla shows up tho

[gritty lake]

Is pinkacross' lorb pjab skewda tech not real

[hot dome]

Yeah, but once again, bolt and qwil

[steel arrow]

Also i feel like banded floatzel is better in almost every way

[hot dome]

Sure, this team isn’t 100% guaranteed versus Rillaboom, but you have the tools to stop it

[hot dome]

Banded floatzel kills itself in three attacks

There’s a reason no one uses it on rain teams anymore

Also there’s few situations where the extra power is needed anyways

[steel arrow]

Yeah but i honestly feel its disrespectful that its a tier BELOW regular qwilfish tbh

[hot dome]

Ok but that’s not relevant here

• it sucks out of rain

[steel arrow]

Honestly ima js fix the team myself not tryna be mean or sum like that i just feel like the suggestions and playstyle of said suggestions doesnt fit me

[hot dome]

…ok, but in the future don’t post teams here if you’re just going to disregard all advice

[steel arrow]

Sorry i was looking for advice ig i just didnt find what i was looking for again really sorry for wasting your time

[steel arrow]

@hot dome As a question (that i wont disregard) is playing purely rain until high elo healthy for developing skill or not? And would changing weather styles to something else like sun keep harming any growth or could i get better using one or both?

[hot dome]

Versatility across multiple playstyles is always better

[steel arrow]

So do sun and rain count as two?

Or like HO Balance BO, etc

[hot dome]

They’re both “weather”, though they do play differently

You shouldn’t treat it as a checklist tho

[steel arrow]

alr

Would you be willing to help me build a different playstyle other than like rain or HO

[magic dome]

i think the best style to learn the game with is balance or bulky offense, but knowing how to pilot offenses (like weather, screens, webs) is valuable too

i also recommending saving replays and watching your replays, identifying the plays the worked well for you & the places where you mightve went wrong

[steel arrow]

could i have some help with building a team?

if you can maybe a bulky offense team?

[magic dome]

sure! the general rule of thumb for bulky offense is a 4 mon offensive core + a 2 mon defensive core

[steel arrow]

thx so much!

can i finish this rand bat rq?

[magic dome]

if you need any more help feel free to dm me

[steel arrow]

yeah tysm

ill ping you?

[magic dome]

yeah sure

[steel arrow]

😄

Ok @magic dome im ready? are you?

[magic dome]

im not at my computer rn but if you send anything ill check it out in a minute

[steel arrow]

ok

Cala this good?
https://pokepast.es/4d7b57cc32aca8a0

i dont know Glowking Tera

[hot dome]

This isn’t the channel for building teams, take it to DMs

[steel arrow]

oh ok

[tawny cairn]

https://pokepast.es/

My attempt at a bulky/balance team

[tacit bluff]

Pokepaste is empty

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/5f114a08db575ecd

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

This looks pretty good

Is there any matchup you're having trouble with?

[arctic frigate]

Bands and oger

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm yeah that's fair

Pecharunt can help but then you'd be lacking a spdef wall

Since the only mon it replaces is glowking

Well I suppose you have gliscor

Gweezing is another option it also frees up some of your boots mons to hold different items

[north nimbus]

Me thinks weavile and iron Val are random mons here

[tacit bluff]

Val I think is fine

It could maybe be darkrai

[north nimbus]

What does it do that the rest of the team doesn’t, you already have speed control with zama and espeed dnite, wincon u got dnite still

[tacit bluff]

And then weav can be a different attacker since idt knock is too important here

[north nimbus]

Knock is always important to remove items and make progress especially against fatter squads that rely on items

[tacit bluff]

Gliscor could probably afford it then

[north nimbus]

Ye

[tacit bluff]

And then glowking can be toxic

[north nimbus]

glowking should be toxic here fwiw

[tacit bluff]

I'm just wondering what could be slotted instead of weav

I was thinking prim since if we drop valiant there's no fairy offence on the team

[north nimbus]

I think that’s fine

Without having fairy offense it will still be fine

[tacit bluff]

It just gives some extra cover against stuff like great tusk

[wooden linden]

How about tinka over val here

You can make that the rocker

And then have gliscor do sd stuff

And they also needed a steel anyways

[north nimbus]

Gives u a steel too

[tacit bluff]

That's not a bad idea

[north nimbus]

If that’s the case

Sd gliscor, tink , and then Lu last for more reliably ghost resist

[wooden linden]

Yeah that should be fine

[north nimbus]

perfect !

[tacit bluff]

Hm it does just become hstack but there's no spinblocker unless it's AV ting lu

[wooden linden]

Pech over gking maybe

[north nimbus]

That’s fine

[tacit bluff]

Yeah that's good

[wooden linden]

Theres a chance you could go crazy with sinischa

Cuz tbh tusk is kinda hard to switch into here

[low phoenix]

I don’t think sinistcha fits in this team

Tusk matchup should be fine tbh toxic scor iron valiant weavile pressure it

[tacit bluff]

Well if we drop weav and val it becomes less sturdy

[wooden linden]

Yeah we dropped weav and val for tinka and lu

So tusk is kind of a annoyance

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/2bb6f8d8a7f0f747

I’ve realized eject hatt going into Dragonite gives me more chances to click encore like fr

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

I’ve also realized that I can’t play anything that’s not HO on a 20 minute timer

So unfortunately you know what that means

Do I really need tusk with hatt around? Idk

But tusk rn is just a filler mon while I try to figure out what to replace it with

Zama maybe

[silver river]

Dozo maybe

Also, prio on sash hamurott is great, but sucker hits harder than jet most of the time, I'm conflicted on which one is better

[gritty lake]

Hell nah

Dozo ho

[gritty lake]

Garchomp perhaps

[clever rover]

Suggesting Dozo on HO

ok

this isnt the place for memes yk

[bright plinth]

whats up guys. is this a good sun team https://pokepast.es/2276e789cc6ac18f

[silver river]

Flamethrower instead of dragon pulse on wake
Close combat or knock off instead of rocks on tusk(imo)

Shadow sneak instead of tera blast on ceru

[bright plinth]

okay imma try them , thanks

[gritty lake]

It's a sample team

They don't get rated

[gritty lake]

Bruh what

Rocks less

[gritty lake]

Don't change imo

[clever rover]

what are you gonna hit with flame anyways

hydro steam just does more damage anyways

[nocturne sable]

Bro this is a sample team already lol

[silver river]

? Damn really? was it one for one copy?

[silver river]

Yeah this is just the sun sample team.

[silver river]

The sample team has flamethrower on wake too btw

[tacit bluff]

Wanting to help out is great but also just be careful if you're not too experienced cuz bad advice is worse than no advice, dozo on ho bad

[silver river]

You know those showdown extensions where you go look at the team in the teambuilder and it shows you the team's major counters and the mons that can check them?
I put his team in (without tusk bc he said he was looking for a replacement) and dozo was the highest common denominator against the team's major counters, like zama dnite gambit etc. and with that hindsight it sort of made sense to me, having a mon to fall back on when your opponent cheeses you with a tera+setup feels pretty good.

[tacit bluff]

I mean yeah fair but dozo doesn't fit the pace of the team at all

is my point here

cause its slow and not very threatening

not initially anyway

[hot dome]

^

[final relic]

tb pon should be adamant

not too big a fan of fairy moth in big 2025 i feel any of ghost/grass/ground are better

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/9387359a3428154f

🙏

[gritty lake]

Corv on offence?

[elder knoll]

it’s a volt turn bulky offense

it looks like

[gritty lake]

Without speed control

[silver river]

3 priority mons

[low phoenix]

team looks alright, I think you can change Corv to a poison as right now you fold to iron valiant

G weezing can work in your case so you maintain defog

[nocturne sable]

This looks more like balance to me then offense

[hot dome]

this is defo offense

bulky offense, perhaps, but still offense

[magic dome]

agreed

[gritty lake]

Time to make corv offence ig

[low phoenix]

corv fits more on bulky balance/stall teams

i wouldnt use on offense teams

[magic dome]

what are your thoughts on maybe pech over corv here

[gritty lake]

Earthquake

Or headlong rush in this case

[magic dome]

it would be balloon but yh

[low phoenix]

i think this team appreciates some hazard removal

especially when it has wogerpon

[magic dome]

yeah nvm

[silver river]

Would Gweezing be better than corv against valiant?

[low phoenix]

its a check

not a 100% solid check but it works

[silver river]

I mean like, Gweezing is pretty weak on the special side too, and both corv and it resist moonblast and take the rest neutrally, so i was thinking if it just came down to which mon has more bulk

[low phoenix]

g weezing can do other stuff too

like check zama

threaten switchins with status

completely neuters several pokmon that are typically hard to break such as gliscor mola even set toxic spikes to hurt opposing offense

[silver river]

I'll try Gweezing for the next couple matches, hope the extra utility is worth no uturn

Btw what tera on Gweezing

I'm assuming it's max HP max Def bold with boots and willo/pain split/defog/and tspikes? Strange steam?

[magic dome]

i think one of sludge bomb/strange steam is better in the last slot

i prefer sludge bomb but id test both

[low phoenix]

Can be grass for better wogerpon matchup

Also something on your team can be zamazenta

Perhaps expert belt/hdb zama over kingambit?

Since dnite is already your wincon

[harsh ivy]

https://pokepast.es/2c68a66188866f34 can anyone give some suggestions for my team
id like to keep the bolt alo and iron val

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[north nimbus]

Coudkve someone tried this core a while back

[trail whale]

Knock and Tbolt are a lot more useful coverage moves for mixed Val than Psyshock. Moltres and then either Glowking/Gholdengo or Corviknight/Toxapex.

I think the bottom 3 need heavy switching though, you lack an electric immunity and could use another Kingambit check so Great Tusk is great, also provides hazard removal so you can drop Mandibuzz for something stronger overall like Dnite or Moltres. and then prolly idk Scarf Rai as your speed control? Keeping a cope ghost resist, could also focus on priority with Dnite/Bolt and have a sturdier dark like Gambit? if other raters could give thoughts itd be cool im not very confident

[north nimbus]

Na I think u nailed every point needed

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/e913e2a83a50d7a3

[trail whale]

Mola Gking seem really weird here, the rest of the team seems to be an Offense with Cinderace for hazard control and Lando T being your second pivot, Mola and Gking would feel too slow alongside this and prevents you from having key tools every Offense team wants.

I'd recommend smth like having Booster Moth/Val for speed control and a set up sweeper with defensive utility for your team like Gholdengo or Waterpon

[hollow perch]

Get rid of glowking as well or just mola?

[north nimbus]

I think

[trail whale]

Both imo
Since you alr have Ace + Lando

[north nimbus]

Me

Thinks mola can go

Cause ik they trying to go for a cinderace kyurem gking bo

[trail whale]

O

Would Lando be dropped asw then

[north nimbus]

No lando means no flyer

But woger mu is a bit rough

[elder knoll]

That slot is normally Corv

[north nimbus]

Yur

[hollow perch]

Idm dropping glowking. I just want to use ace and kyurem

[elder knoll]

No Dozo or Lu means Glowking is under a lot of pressure

[north nimbus]

Tho if that case then yeah what Luna said would suffice

[clever rover]

Bump, please don’t advise me to put Dondozo on an HO team

@tacit bluff could you uhhh help? Sorry if you are asleep or sth the timezone in China is ahh.

[north nimbus]

This seems fine what’s the issue ?

[clever rover]

Tusk felt redundant with rapid spin but zama couldn’t fit all the moves it want

I also feel like I could find something to weaken stuff like opposing stuff that would be a wall to fire nite, maybe I have to go down to UU for the answer? Scizor?

If it looks fine to you tho I think it’s fine then

[north nimbus]

So you want more offensive power ?

[clever rover]

Yeah kinda, ideally something that could weaken the scalenite checks

[north nimbus]

I do think something like zama or scizor would make sense yeah

[clever rover]

Yeah I’ll go mess with scizor, priority seems pretty helpful

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/bde65a52fbf83fee
Decided to mess with scarf lando and volcanion here

[north nimbus]

Idk if I agree with double scarf but I like this squad

[wooden linden]

I could go bulky twave ghold here

Usually i just trick scarf anyways

[elder knoll]

Wouldn’t it make more sense to make Ghold NP and just drop the Volc?

Cause NP Ghold is a breaker

[wooden linden]

Np ghold seems alright

Ill keep the volc though tbh

Lets me play around prim and wellspring easier

[north nimbus]

I think

Volc makes sense ye

Was even going to say consider trapper volc but yeah

[silver river]

Not really wellspring, power whip still does like 70-ish%
But yeah having a water absorb mon keeps the cudgel spam in check

[wooden linden]

Trapper volc seems smth to consider

[nocturne sable]

Fire spin for stall MU?

[wooden linden]

Yeah

The stall mu isnt too bad here

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/15df787ca24f4cbe

[regal ginkgo]

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[wooden linden]

sd uturn on wellspring is mostly redundent

[steel arrow]

might wanna change ting lu's and pecha's tera

[wooden linden]

you can go ahead with adding a coverage move like knock off

[steel arrow]

yeah maybe play rough considering zamas prevelance

[wooden linden]

also put rocks on lu over spikes

[steel arrow]

"Copy of Copy of Copy" 💀

[turbid kelp]

How else would you test changes to a team?

[magic dome]

go max hp max speed timid instead of max defense max speed timid on pecharunt

since pecharunt has 160 defense (and because evs are additive, not multiplicative), you get more physical bulk by putting those points into hp than into defense

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/ae59f74b8fc6a641 made a water spam team, opinions?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[turbid kelp]

I think it might appreciate rain

[stone sierra]

Rain is fake and glowing isnt

Also I’m not gonna run skewda

[nocturne sable]

Brother man why is there a random scarf kyurem on this team

and why are you running scald over matcha on sini?

Also tera types are incomplete

[stone sierra]

Scarf kyu bc woger
Scald is for burn fishing, matcha gatcha recovery feels lackluster and I can hit Lando super effectively

[nocturne sable]

I mean Lando isn’t really a match up sini is going to often find itself in since it will prob just U-turn out

Matcha also has a burn chance too

And allows you to hit waters like prim hamurott etc

[final relic]

ice fang? also kyu tera ice, sinis poison and scald is definitely shit

[stone sierra]

Just haven’t gotten around to teraing stuff

Idk what the optimal ones are outside of sinis and keld

[trail whale]

I don't think the idea itself is worth it. They overlap too much when it isn't an HO and can't oberwhelm checks like some other offensive cores
Like realistically gking is recovering pretty much all the damage Keldeo Prim Kyurem will do while Tusk is your only way to heavily threaten it
If they have a Waterpon you have to play mindgames and immidietely feel at a disadvantage, since half of your team would hate Waterpon coming in at the wrong time
Team also just looks too slow for a team with barely any defensive backbone, not a single freeze dry or tera blast dnite resist here, same for Valiant Moonblast. Your speed control is also inconsistent at revenge these threats you can not switch into

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/378cefe22bc01769

I know usually you would just use Iron moth over Delphox but i was interested in its access to Stab Psyshock+Nasty plot and its not been bad so far

[regal ginkgo]

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[low phoenix]

why sinistcha over gholdengo?

also i think you can change zamazenta to something like ogerpon wellspring or manaphy to breal fat

[alpine hornet]

if ur gonna run this guy id run balloon on phox instead, can even go magician in that case iyw to mess w bootspams

otherwise go booster on tusk and bolt and yeah drop zama for pon

[elder knoll]

Is anyone actually breaking for ID Zama?

[alpine hornet]

this webs feels hella weak all around atp

and yeah i also am not the biggest sinis webs fan i think pech or dengo or ceru even would do u a lot better here

[elder knoll]

I would personally convert this to special spam webs

I’m ngl

[nocturne sable]

Yea I was thinking of switching to booster atk tusk but worried about the Hazard MU

[alpine hornet]

nah dw abt it tusk still does fine and u punish any passive clicks due to the nature of webs

never run boots tusk on webs tbh

[elder knoll]

The swap to Pech takes care

of t-spikes if you’re really worried

about those

[alpine hornet]

yeah i like plot runt here

[nocturne sable]

Thing is about Zama is that it helps with the Kyu mu for me, especially DD

[elder knoll]

You could go a balloon

Tera fire jolly gambit

Otherwise just load up on guys it can’t setup on

[nocturne sable]

Also little bit off topic but Delphox with grass knot can also knock out stuff like dozo ting Lu hamurott that would probably switch in on its stabs

So if I switch to balloon I would prob run that

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/6c49e3bb930aef56

this is the changes I made based on the recommendations

Wonder if encore pon+tusk will be enough to put gambit in check

[alpine hornet]

if ur not going sub go magician on phox

[nocturne sable]

True

[alpine hornet]

otherwise this looks fine yeah

[alpine hornet]

id also lowk go tera ice/ghost tusk here

part of me says greed rocks on tusk here asw

but idk if thats act the ploy

[elder knoll]

Is Tusk free Corv entry here?
Since no Ghold

[nocturne sable]

Maybe I can use that opportunity to get bolt/Waterpon in

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/93a213307bcea749

[north nimbus]

heat squad but I def do think hw support would be nice here

[elder knoll]

Who’s the healing wish target though

🤔

Cause the only one benefitting from healing wish I think

Is tusk?

[north nimbus]

Well zarude too

[elder knoll]

He’s got synthesis though 🤔

and his ability doesn’t let him get statused

[north nimbus]

Still useful at a pinch especially when u can’t recover safely

[regal ginkgo]

Leaf Guard (Gen 9)

If Sunny Day is active, this Pokemon cannot become affected by a non-volatile status condition or Yawn, and Rest will fail for it. This effect is prevented if this Pokemon is holding a Utility Umbrella.

[elder knoll]

true

[north nimbus]

But yeah squad looks fun

[elder knoll]

[north nimbus]

Everything makes sense tho so I understand why u went with no hw just helpful in drastic scenarios where another boost to win is nice

[silver river]

Wise glasses wake?

Just give it mystic water or boots if you hate the choice items

Also why tera stellar

[elder knoll]

It secures a bunch of important calcs like OHKOing Gambit and Ghold

[hot dome]

not a fan of the tera stellar but everything else is cooking so i will leave it alone

[somber obsidian]

im no expert but i feel like lava plume > eruption on tork for the burn chances

and with its low speed and rocks weakness i feel like you’d quickly run out of the opportunity to hit a high powered eruption

[magic dome]

i think id still go for speed booster moth on this squad ngl

[elder knoll]

More speed control?🤔

makes sense

[magic dome]

eruption torkoal works best on a team with trick room, maybe a set like plume rapid spin bpress and rocks instead?

torkoal isnt an incredible spinner, but nice to have just in case

[trail whale]

I like that 6

Sun can lowkey run whatever the fuck it wants

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/51d531f223f6452d

Scarf Valiant BO

Unlike Mixed Booster Valiant, Scarf retains speed even after switching out - and is a scarfer that can disrupt stall with trick and strong mixed stabs. It also has knock off for early game progress and avoids choiced prediction headaches

Glowking provides a SpDef wall to patch up Valiant's crap SpDef + future sight to help Valiant break vs Poison types + slow pivoting to bring in Valiant safely

Kyurem provides a breaker that blows holes early to enable Valiant to clean late game. It also gets physically bulkier thanks to Glowking's Chilly Reception

Tusk provides hazard control + physical tank that acts as Kingambit switch in. Not much else to say about the King of Role Compression

Physically Defensive Gholdengo helps Tusk with phsyical attackers + keeps Hazards up + negates all of Valiant's weaknesses + sweeps

Samurott-H provides Spikes to helps Valiant clean better late-game + another Future Sight abuser + acts as budget Kingambit to setup sweep as well. (This slot can actually be Kingambit itself, gaining power and bulk, instead of hazards)

[regal ginkgo]

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[silver river]

SD blackglasses hamu? You know we have kingbambit for that. Give hamurott sash, suicide lead sash hamu with ceaseless and sucker usually fulfills it's purpose.

And imo, give tusk 252HP instead of ATK and give it either boots or leftovers so it can switch in more often and is harder to chip down.

[gritty lake]

SD hamu acts as an absolutely demonic wall breaker

[stone sierra]

You don’t suicide lead in BO teams

[silver river]

Then you shouldn't add hamu in a BO team

[gritty lake]

Pls stop

[stone sierra]

Please don’t give advice if your not familiar with the tier

[gritty lake]

How the hell did u get 1600 lol

[silver river]

? Hamurott is not bulky. 90hp 80def 65spDef with no investment is not that bulky.
It's also the only lead mon in the team, and you want to keep it in the back as a set-up mon?

[clever berry]

By that logic, why is Weavile used on semi-stall?

Samurott-H is a role compression dark type - it sets spikes early game, and sweeps late game

[silver river]

Either I'm severely underestimating hamurott or y'all are ridiculously overselling him
But there's clearly a difference in opinion here.

[wooden linden]

Nah samu doesnt need sash here

Black glasses work well here

Though i do suggest potentially av here

https://pokepast.es/535273fba38f40b9
@clever berry i decided to try and improve your team a little using your mons

Specs kyu requires very serious hazard support so i made tusk boots

Ground types are pretty hard to switch in for your team but it shouldnt be too difficult

You could use scarf enam but i doubt youd want to with scarf val being the main mon here

[clever berry]

Looks good
Yeah, no ground switchins except Gholdegno once
I could maybe make that Kyurem something else? Latios maybe?

[tacit bluff]

??

Hamu absolutely works on BO

[wooden linden]

You could do specs lati if youd like

[tacit bluff]

Just because hamurott can be a lead doesn't mean it's the only thing it can do

[wooden linden]

I just figured you didnt want any mon changes

[clever berry]

Only Valiant is non-negotiable

[tacit bluff]

Assault vest black glasses boots attacker and scarf hamurott are all good sets

[clever berry]

Scarf is such neat role compression

[tacit bluff]

Scarf is nice

[clever berry]

As long as you handle Zama, its a great set

Zama is a problem for all H-Samu sets tbh

But H-Samu still gets to set spikes on it while it switches in

[wooden linden]

Samu knocks it

[clever berry]

Knock too yeah

Samu has insane utility

If only its SpA was lower and re-invested in any other stat

[clever berry]

Does it prefer Psy Noise or L Purge on Specs?

[wooden linden]

Think it mostly depends on preference

Usually purge though iirc

[clever berry]

I like L Purge coz its my main wallbreaker

Specs Purge is something even fat SpDef walls like Glowking can't handle

[wooden linden]

Its good for breaking yeah

[clever berry]

Also
Draco, Purge, Flip Turn, Aura Sphere ?

[wooden linden]

That should be fine yeah

Tera steel should work for it

Functions better vs kyu and gliscor

[clever berry]

Tera Steel is blessed

Tera Poison is interesting too

Tbh Poison might be better coz there are much more Fighting types than Pyschic

Oh wait

Nvm

[wooden linden]

You should be fine vs zama tbh

[tacit bluff]

Oldgen stat distribution moment

[clever berry]

Poison doesn't help vs Kyurem

[wooden linden]

Tbh i do appreciate samu not being min maxxed

Gf at least tried to limit it

[tacit bluff]

I think it's not minmaxxed because it's a regional form

If it was a new Pokemon altogether it would've been

[clever berry]

Same gen that gave us Volcarona, Ferrothorn, Keldeo, Terrakion, Reuniclus

[wooden linden]

Starters usually have more balanced stat spreads

Not like

Legendaries

Or reun

[tacit bluff]

They were pretty insistent on making older starters mixed attackers

Mostly so they could be flexible in a playthrough

Nowadays they care less because hms don't exist anymore and all starters get cool sig move which benefits their attacking stat

Anyway off topic

[clever berry]

Primarina and Rillaboom are only starters to have dangerous stats

[trail whale]

https://pokepast.es/d92612257a969948 the Iron Crown looks very visually unappealing here but idk what can go there

[clever berry]

Glowking?

[wooden linden]

I was gonna say ghold but glowking works

[tacit bluff]

I feel like one more pivot and you're chilling

Choice mons like having pivots to keep momentum

[clever berry]

Flip Turn Latios

[cold cosmos]

hello, me and nugget made this team : https://pokepast.es/eeb4ffec6493f18f
looking for advice on sets/better pairings. i want to keep the first 3 mons tho, can swap sets fs. also looking for better nicknames :<

[trail whale]

Would flip on hamu be the thing

[wooden linden]

I would say giving gambit lefties and some bulk

Black glasses isnt too needed here

[cold cosmos]

lando > tusk, cinderace > dengo, and ogerpon > hamu. boom, goat team

[cold cosmos]

i feel it is

you seldom tera ts

you might as well break with it

im thinking tera dark gambit here tbh

[tacit bluff]

Probably

[wooden linden]

Should be fine to do that yeah

[tacit bluff]

I prefer boots with flip turn but AV is probably fine

[wooden linden]

Flip over knock ig

[tacit bluff]

You have hazard control

[tacit bluff]

Nah probably over sucker

[wooden linden]

That works too

[tacit bluff]

You have rocks and spikes knock is crucial

[cold cosmos]

@clever berry

you're welcome

[clever berry]

Scarf Valiant only Knocks in early game
I think Samu can drop Knock

[clever berry]

Care to explain?

[cold cosmos]

changes to your team

ts will be the best team oat trust

[tacit bluff]

I feel like valiant being the only knocker would make you too weak to bootspam

Valiant doesn't have the longevity you want

[wooden linden]

Double knock is fine here

Samu already is an amazing knock user

[tacit bluff]

Hamu my beloved

[wooden linden]

Av samu my beloved

Everyone loves that guy

[cold cosmos]

lmk

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/6efdc0e6368178de hamurott hazard stack

[hollow perch]

Moth is supposed to have booster btw idk why it has air baloon

Balloon

[hollow perch]

And the EVs are wrong it's booster speed

[nocturne sable]

Hamu is literally a BO mon lol

It has a lot of utility like knock off, spikes, pivoting and a good typing defensively

[nocturne sable]

This is serviceable bulk which goes well with hamurotts typing, there is a reason why AV sets are popular

[cold cosmos]

not rlly

used everywhere

cant define it on one singular playstyle

[nocturne sable]

we are discussing Hamu on BO specifically

[cold cosmos]

k

[alpine furnace]

I was gonna add if bro thinks samm's only set is suicide lead cuz BO can make food use of AV hsamm

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/082230ab84fa3695

[regal ginkgo]

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[elder knoll]

defog shouldn't be on a hazard stack team with Chomp

I would take this team into two directions tbh

1. Boots spam
2. Super aggro

Cause dual hazard Chomp is really only notable for being a not super passive dual hazard stacker

Unless you wanna experiment with an offensive Chomp with only rocks or spikes. I have a spread for that if you want.

[stone sierra]

Maybe idbb corv and hatt? Tbolt mixed ival looks p menacing

[elder knoll]

mixed Val + T-bolt could be good for a knocker which is needed on H-stack

Hat could replace Glowking if this decide to learn more aggresive

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/40de56a702de3d1c
Sort of wanted to make a balance, but not too experienced in it. Hydreigon and Gholdengo have perfect type combinations and with levitate, they share no weaknesses and counter each other's weaknesses. Wanted to build off that, so it's semi balance and hazard stack, it seems? I'm struggling in the Kyurem MU too, thoughts?

[final relic]

hydreigon should be tera steel + flash cannon over fire blast

which helps you vs kyurem

lando can be tera water

[queen saddle]

Figured fire blast is better for things like Corvi and Tinka.

But alright.

[final relic]

i dont think gweezing will fit here too well since it drains all your momentum which you rely on with teams such as this

[queen saddle]

Also changed tera from water to steel cause of freeze dry.

[final relic]

also defogging your own hazards when the objective is to stack spikes and rocks is counterintuitive

i would suggest maybe iron treads over weezing

[queen saddle]

Alright. Special or physical?

[final relic]

make lando choice scarf

[queen saddle]

I assume physical because of knock?

[final relic]

you'd probably go physical

[queen saddle]

Alrighty.

[queen saddle]

And you sure? I have scarf Hydreigon, so I thought perhaps yk, like that's enough speed control along with this set countering spin.

[final relic]

I also think you can drop scarf for specs

gives more breaking power

which outside of meow you somewhat lack

[queen saddle]

Alright, defo will think about it, just I prefer rocks on Lando and volt switch on Treads, but will try out.

Thanks!

[final relic]

heres the ideas i mentioned in paste form btw:

https://pokepast.es/988a06e26057271b

if youre confused about anything i can explain it

[queen saddle]

Think I could replace iron head or EQ for volt switch or knock?

[final relic]

definitely can't drop EQ

iron head is a maybe, it mostly hits hatterene and tera'd raging bolt and garg harder

[queen saddle]

Fair, could also help w Kyurem.

[final relic]

yea

[queen saddle]

Okay, I'll try it out. Thanks!

[final relic]

✅

[safe field]

https://pokepast.es/e1a9729ddcedb671

is the lack of ghosts hurting my team

[north nimbus]

Not necessarily

[gritty lake]

i like the super aggro idea

what do i change

[drowsy marsh]

I wanna find a good pivot for this team and im thinking zapdos but im not sure

https://pokepast.es/51b9cca73f13eddc

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

we don't help out with unfinished teams

[drowsy marsh]

Owh

Dang

Alr

[drowsy marsh]

What abt this?

https://pokepast.es/dc2eeafa124484ec

[hot dome]

i dont have time for a full rate rn but just passing glance specs hydrapple isnt good banded blaziken isnt good solo flamethrower gking isnt good as it can't beat any of its usual targets

[drowsy marsh]

Well what do they usually run?

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[trail whale]

the dex page at the bottom has viable sets of these pokemon

[drowsy marsh]

Owh ty

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/101f361f99e74feb

:P

[cold cosmos]

tera blast steel is bad

[north nimbus]

Why is there a scarf nite

[cold cosmos]

..

b/c scarf nite

uhh

its good speed control

outspeeds pult

draco

hurriccane on unsuspecting id zama

tera blast fairy kills most stuf

fire blast for dengo

also its very surprise element based

it loses to garg and blissey

which i tried to sort

and also clodsire

[north nimbus]

But

Then why don’t u just use scarf dengo

And u can trick things

And not burn Tera

[wooden linden]

Just use band dnite istg

[north nimbus]

That to

[wooden linden]

Scarf is doing jack shit

[north nimbus]

Ye

[drowsy marsh]

Hydrapple?

[cold cosmos]

surprise

and coverage

[north nimbus]

Idk if I want a surprise factor boots mixed dnite would do me wonders and not having to burn Tera for coverage is always nice

[hot dome]

scarf dnite is so bad

why

it has espeed like why are we giving this guy scarf

[thin rose]

https://pokepast.es/20b04b272ed22c01

[regal ginkgo]

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[thin rose]

Uhm can someone help me fix this team, I wanna play around darkrai though, but I lack speed control, I'm finding good scarfer but can't find any.

Maybe scarf lando better than tank chomp and find other hazard setter, idk

[stone sierra]

Im ngl this team is 6-0ed by mixed Tbolt ival

[thin rose]

Agree, I doubt pecharunt is enough

[trail whale]

Tusk > Chomp and make Iron Valiant Booster Energy

You have too many offensive Pokemon vulnerable to hazards and lack speed control. Chomp sticks out like a sore thumb here

Pech is fine enough vs mixed Val

[thin rose]

Moltres is fine here?

Also SD Booster Val?

[trail whale]

Yeah Moltres is fine, ground immune pivot for your offense

[thin rose]

Wait I have a problem against specs kyurem btw

[trail whale]

Probably mixed or CM
Since you'll have Tusk + Waterpon
I don't hate it though

[thin rose]

I dunno how to deal with it

[trail whale]

You have to keep up offensive pressure
Tho a steel would be good true, brb I'll give this deeper thought in a sec

[thin rose]

Aight thanks

I am also thinking cb scizor for Ogerpon but I feel i am more prone to lando and tusk if I remove pon

[summer cloak]

https://pokepast.es/a3bd5bd9fa7bb9c4 i havent built this tier in a while, is this good?

[wooden linden]

Its prob best to use jolly dnite here

Outspeeding pult is really nice to have

Cb scizor can prob work here

A pivot is nice to have anyways

I'd also say you could go lando over tusk here

[summer cloak]

jolly dnite true, i like sd way too much though

ill consider lando ig, ive also wanted to try treads too

[north nimbus]

Use custap endeavor treads

[wooden linden]

Treads can work yeah

If you really want hazard control

Also sd scizor can still work

Just doesnt have pivoting, which you may not need if played well

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/c0650b565a4a3b73

What else do I change

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

Bruh wtf

[north nimbus]

Defog scizor we trust

[north nimbus]

Imma be real idk why this isn’t just ting Lu, even then defog on hstack isn’t ideal since ur removing ur own hazards, while the lack of ghost resist and long term answer to kyurem is non existent, along with slew off other threats

[frail hull]

https://psim.us/t/1167710-r5w5c0gwocmi7jbvs4os my pokemon showdown team i made. Pretty new to competetive

[gritty lake]

K

[gritty lake]

Why is it always a garchomp 😔

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/fcdd4cffe5abbd72 - Scizor + Kingambit HO - SV OU

Both are so good at overwhelming checks like Corv, Tusk and also pressure offense a lot with priority

Ogerpon-W helps with some walls that annoy my steel warriors like Dondozo and Alomomola

Tera Ghost + Encore Valiant helps with the the only pdef wall who can beat all previous 3 on its own - ID Press Zama ; it also provides natural speed outside of priority and a special attacker

Hatterene provides Nuzzle for my first 3, while Healing Wish gives Scizor another chance to sweep coz LO wears its down - I could maybe make it Stored Power or Psy Noise to help vs stall, although I like its pivoting and H Wish

Lando provides both ground and flying type - and hazard and pivot ; it also chips Tusk and Zama

[elder knoll]

I would consider a Tera fire on Scizor or Gambit

[gritty lake]

Not a single dragon is crazy

[elder knoll]

as they both aren’t a fan of Moltres

[clever berry]

Yeah, I realized I can't switch into fire types

[clever berry]

I know. That's why I got Ogerpon-W and Hatt

[gritty lake]

You can't switch into ivy cudgel either

[elder knoll]

It’s a HO

[clever berry]

Ogerpon-W isn't a worry for HOs

[gritty lake]

Atleast something that scares it out

Like a kyurem of dnite or something

[gritty lake]

[clever berry]

I considered Stored Power Latias but I found it to be shit

I did try Dragonite

But too many physical sweepers

While it doesn't add anything offensively on top of Scizor, Kingambit

[clever berry]

I feel Scizor needs Tera Steel a lot to clean late game

Tera Fire Gambit seems better

[clever berry]

Tera Dragon Lando can be done

[clever berry]

Maybe even Lum Berry

[summer cloak]

jolly dnite is defo the play, the pivoting of just lando seems enough as the only mon i need to bring in really is pult

[tacit bluff]

yeah I'd definitely go with a sample

the pokemon in a vaccum are fine but the sets are bad

u turn and sd on scizor, no ground stab chomp mixed zapdos with a gimmick item and tw for some reason etc

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[round portal]

https://pokepast.es/bc77d80058df5d0b do you think i need better defensive walls?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

hi psy terrain guy

also yeah

you would appreciate a phys def guy with a pivoting move

it looks like your going for a volt-turn style team here?

[round portal]

ye i wanted to use my goat thundy <3

[round portal]

hello pinkstork guy

[round portal]

maybe corv?

[elder knoll]

do you want to use Thundy as a breaker?

[round portal]

ye

[elder knoll]

We could rebuild this as a specs Thundy if you want

[round portal]

when i used specs thundy i always got destroyed by rocks

maybe just a skill issue on my end

[north nimbus]

Well u need hazard control

[elder knoll]

yeah you need strong removal support

typically hat

is on these type of Volt-turn structures

usually AV

[round portal]

i wanted to use boots spam also

but ye thundy hitting weak numbers rn

ill try specs

[round portal]

would i switch glowking for hat?

[elder knoll]

I would drop heatran and glowking

and possibly CB Zama

cause rn you're lacking a real win condition

[round portal]

what evs does av hatt run usually

[elder knoll]

Hatterene (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 128 SpA / 104 SpD / 24 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Psyshock
• Draining Kiss
• Mystical Fire
• Nuzzle

an option you have is to good Lando or Tusk as your rock setter

for a phys def guy

you'll need a good ice resist then though to cover Kyu

[round portal]

lando would be rocky helm here?

[elder knoll]

yeah

the defensive taunt

[round portal]

how many speed evs for that one?

[elder knoll]

they usually run max speed

max hp

another option is just enough speed EVs for tusk which isn't much of a difference but is slower than max speed Pech

[round portal]

like crown?

[elder knoll]

yeah you could try that

or something like a ballon gambit could work

[round portal]

was also thinking maybe scizor

[elder knoll]

Scizor sounds good

you might want to play with EVs and bulky invest it though

if you're using it as a Kyu switch in

[round portal]

i was thinking about max hp scizor already

like max hp and max atk

[elder knoll]

you could try that

[round portal]

do u think samurott should be flip turn?

[elder knoll]

yeah

[round portal]

like remove sucker for flip?

[elder knoll]

scarf

[round portal]

oh scarf?

[elder knoll]

yeah

you also still need an endgame gambit answer still

[round portal]

sacred sword on samu?

[elder knoll]

that could help

but last slot should be dedicated to that

and it should be your win con as well

you can make your Zama iron press then

[round portal]

we removing pult?

[elder knoll]

🤔

probably

[round portal]

damn

i kinda wanna spin block with it tho

[elder knoll]

hmm

[round portal]

and i dont wanna give up tera cuz thundy is a tera hog

[elder knoll]

you could replace scizor

with like a Ghold

[round portal]

max speed ghold? or tanky

[elder knoll]

up to you

[round portal]

alr time to test on ladder 🔥

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/b07be40e0af894fb

[north nimbus]

Ngl tusk seems a bit redundant, and the lack of a flyer just makes it so ground moves are free to spam

[wooden linden]

Gliscor prob works over tusk

Sd tera normal

[night matrix]

Hey, would i be able to post a picture of my team here and people tell me whether ive built an ok team? Or if I need to throw it im the bin? Haha

[north nimbus]

use pokepaste

[night matrix]

Sorry whats that? I'm new to this stuff

[drowsy marsh]

Scroll to the bottom of ur team and click upload to pokepaste copy that link and send it here

[night matrix]

https://pokepast.es/36dd3b6431b7fab5

thank you

[drowsy marsh]

Im not good at SVOU but like

U lose to ghost or dark types

And why ammonguss

What in the vgc set

[night matrix]

i picked amoonguss because i feel like its a really good support with rage powder and pollen puff for damage and healing

[drowsy marsh]

This isnt for doubles dawg

This is for singles

[night matrix]

oh im talking about doubles

[drowsy marsh]

Well

Is that ou format?

Like doubles ou?

[night matrix]

sorry im still learning what that means, whats OU?

did i put this in the wrong channel?

[drowsy marsh]

Ou

The most used tier

[drowsy marsh]

Yea

[night matrix]

oh sorry

which one should i be putting this in?

[drowsy marsh]

Scroll down

To DOU rates

[night matrix]

oh ok, sorry and thank you

[narrow crest]

thats it?

[trail whale]

I feel like you should just commit to HO with SD Scor over Tusk
A lot of hazard weak Pokemon and set up threats already, Ting Lu can function as a lead, would just have to drop Band Scizor

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/d216a635fa87eb12 - Scizor + Kingambit HO - SV OU

Both are so good at overwhelming checks like Corv, Tusk and also pressure offense a lot with priority

Ogerpon-W helps with some walls that annoy my steel warriors like Dondozo and Alomomola

Tera Ghost + Encore Valiant helps with the the only pdef wall who can beat all previous 3 on its own - ID Press Zama ; it also provides natural speed outside of priority and a special attacker

Hatterene provides anti-hazards, Nuzzle for my first 3, while Healing Wish gives Scizor another chance to sweep coz LO wears its down - I could maybe make it Stored Power or Psy Noise to help vs stall, although I like its pivoting and H Wish

Lando provides both ground and flying type - and hazard and pivot ; it also chips Tusk and Zama

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

This is pretty good

Don't really have any notes

Zapdos might be a lil annoying?

Static an allat

It's not too bad you have options

[clever berry]

I considered Tera Electric Valiant

But Zama is a more important target than Zapdos

[final relic]

hrott will annoy this team quite a bit

[tacit bluff]

Yeah no hazard removal aside from hatt

[clever berry]

Also I made the Gambit Tera Fire for Moltres

[tacit bluff]

Less of an issue on ho tbh

[final relic]

nah I actually think

tera elec might be better here

[clever berry]

And Lando is Tera Dragon for Ogerpon-W

[tacit bluff]

I feel like for hrott you just scizor and cc your pain away

[final relic]

since lando is your only raging check

and then youre forced into 50/50 with val

[clever berry]

Tera Eletric Valiant is certainly awesome for Zapdos, Moltres, Bolt

And I think Lando pressures Zama

Thing is Zama can 1v3 my SD sweepers if its ID Press

[stone sierra]

I see someone has been watching pinkaross videos

[final relic]

all of your physical mons do very badly into tera dark foul play pecharunt

[tacit bluff]

Tbf scizor cc can take care of that but that's a read

[clever berry]

New set?

[final relic]

no

its been used for a while

[tacit bluff]

Foul play pecha is relatively common

It's definitely not fringe

[final relic]

pretty standard usually

[clever berry]

Oh, I don't see it on Smogon Dex

[tacit bluff]

We're updating sets lololol

It'll probably be up there at some point

[clever berry]

If it Tera Darks, Valiant eats it

Also Lando switches into it, rocky helmet chips it and doesn't take a lot of foul play damage because its SpA

I think in HO, you can't wall everything, but you need to pressure everything

[tacit bluff]

You don't really want to wall anything actually

[final relic]

yea

[tacit bluff]

Everything on your team should threaten to end the game or be dedicated to facilitating smth else to end the game

[final relic]

you have at best a check or two thats also doing something else (lando)

[tacit bluff]

So yeah

[tacit bluff]

Lando is the rocks guy tbf

It's the lead

[clever berry]

Only question is stall
If its a problem, Hatt becomes CM Stored Power/P Noise

Then Valiant will become mixed booster

[tacit bluff]

HO struggles a lot with modern stall

Uhhh

[final relic]

yeah

[tacit bluff]

You have wellspring

Which is good

Encore valiant also helps

[clever berry]

Amoongus and Tera Grass walls like G-Weez and Dozo can be annoying

[final relic]

waterpon usually does okay

[tacit bluff]

For sure

[clever berry]

Like I said, if Pon ain't enough, Hatt gotta be CM SP and Valiant gotta be mixed

Coz if they Tera Grass, Hatt sweeps

[final relic]

stored power doesn’t exactly win all of the time

[clever berry]

If Blissey or Clod Tera Darks for SP Hatt, Pon sweeps

[final relic]

cause now you got ppl running double removal featuring iron treads who may be packing steel move

[clever berry]

I need to Tera Water then

[final relic]

usually gweez + 1 of treads corv

maybe talonflame

[clever berry]

Corv runs Iron Head?

[final relic]

not usually no

[clever berry]

That's why my next build would be with Ursaluna

[clever berry]

http://pokepast.es/faebfe4f4bd1fc01

Yeah, I think Ogerpon-W + Stored Power Hatt should be enough vs standard stall

[gray karma]

hi, so I need a little help, is that team good ?

https://pokepast.es/c69dc3c5db8e7be1

bcz I'm struggling to win sometimes, may bcz of overpredict

[round portal]

:P

changed up the team a bit

[north nimbus]

I think this squad needs to be cleared up in waht it wants to be Bo or hyper offense to give it an identity rather than overlapping, tho context of what you are trying to accomplish would be beneficial

[gray karma]

oh

I mainly try to do hyper offense

But idk what to use generally

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/7f94f766e1f774bf put together in this team in a few minutes, wanted to test gallade but I’m not sure it fits here. Although I do like the core of Molt Drapple and Glowking and scarf Hamu for speed control

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

I did run a few test with it and it was fine for the most part

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/5a4e5e786ea6fde0

[north nimbus]

me thinks if u do zama > iron val, and av samu > scarf you would be fine, ghost mu is a bit annoying and having much more consistent answer for gambit and friends would work really nice

gallade hasnt had a niche in ou since like pre home

[low phoenix]

Not rate related but if you really want a Gallade team that has seen success in 1700s I can send you one later

[stone sierra]

Ngl subtect kyurem kinda works this team, both of your freeze dry switchins are weak to earth power, and you have 4 freeze dry weaknesses

[north nimbus]

truthfully idk why this is gleam dengo here, when u have something like tusk to fight dark types, but like yeah this loads bad to kyuem, tho tbf if u do something like zama > tusk, ting lu > scarf sammy, and then some else over chomp could be a more consistent squad

[nocturne sable]

Sure

[nocturne sable]

So if I’m running AV Hamu i can run sacred sword right?

[alpine hornet]

i dislike ssword on hamu but if u have like a crazy poor gambit mu u can yeah

[junior vine]

https://pokepast.es/d934378e9b077ed5

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

What does conkeldurr do that makes it stand out from other fighting types?

[junior vine]

it hits like a truck

[north nimbus]

You know who else does

Literally almost any other physical attacker

[wooden linden]

wellspring prob does better over conk here

still offers knock and stuff

[hot dome]

this team is just begging to be bowled over by zamazenta once zapdos goes down, which isn't a hard ask as you do not have any other phys def mons

what structure were you going for here? Bulky Offense?

[junior vine]

yeah

[hot dome]

If so, I would replace Conk with Galarian Slowking, and Zapdos with Pecharunt, giving your team two solid pivots and a decent defensive backbone

Alternatively you can keep Zapdos but lowkey I'm not the biggest fan of it, though you do get a better mu into Kingambit and Tusk in return for a worse MU into Wellspring

[junior vine]

is conk just not it 😭

[elder knoll]

It’s not the worse Mon ever

But like if you’re just using it cause it hits hard

There’s better options

[hot dome]

its a fighting type in a tier with titans like tusk and zamazenta

and if the gimmick is "i want to die fast and do a little extra damage", unfortunately ursaluna has cornered that market with better resists, a better typing, more powerful attacks, and a stab combination that half of the teams wont insta wall

[junior vine]

aight

😅 I was just scrolling the mons list and I saw guts + 140 atk so I was like why not