#SV OU Rates

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alpine hornet
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to ease the aforementioned mu

plucky hare
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So is there still some hard pokemon to beat with my team?

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And i need to know one thing

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How do u know when to tera?

alpine hornet
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u dont want specs val on ho, cm is much better here, id also make tusk rocks over knock here

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could also test bulk up tusk

plucky hare
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Please do not abreviate i don't understand

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What what is HO what is CM

round portal
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ho is hyper offence

plucky hare
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Changed valiant by changing item to booster energy removed vacuum wave to put calm mind

alpine hornet
plucky hare
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I have psychic

alpine hornet
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er psychic yh

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drop that for encore

plucky hare
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Done

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So any other major issues?

alpine hornet
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psychic hits nothing of note bar toxapex and encore is just general good utility

alpine hornet
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you’re a little weak to opposing moth, so maybe go psychic on moth over energy ball and tera fairy?

plucky hare
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Aight

alpine hornet
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other than that looks good though

plucky hare
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Thanks!

wooden linden
regal ginkgoBOT
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silver river
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I was thinking something like scarf lando or scarf tusk as well, but defog sounded like a good idea at the time, so i switched in corv bc steel/flying + defogger looked pretty great

wooden linden
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you could go with cinderace

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just put rocks on ting instead of spikes

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lets you spread burns and pivot

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also you prob should add ice coverage on zama or dnite

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bc gliscor is very annoying for the team

silver river
low phoenix
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With encore

wooden linden
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i could do shadow ball

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though i need smth better for molt

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also prim

low phoenix
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Hmm

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Looks fine to me

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Your team

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Then

wooden linden
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maybe vs molt i could just not get haxed with flame body

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but prim is smth that is really hard for the team

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wellspring too

low phoenix
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Prob just be careful around them

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Or try dd Kyurem over dragonite

turbid kelp
gritty lake
hot dome
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Admin how many chomp teams are you gonna post lol

gritty lake
hot dome
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Ok well chomp lowkey sucks here and you’re once again better off with other breakers but ig for a chomp team it’s fine

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Careful around sd wellspring

faint vortex
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I can see how moltres would be a problem for this team. I will try adding head smash to tusk. Should I also give it tera fire to prevent burns?

hollow perch
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hollow perch
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I've been struggling with rotom wash

turbid kelp
nocturne sable
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And give it air balloon

turbid kelp
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I had absolutely nothing for it if it was physical

nocturne sable
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We’ll still I would make dengo air balloon np

narrow crest
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nocturne sable
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Team looks likes it struggles to break the birds like Moltres, Corv

low phoenix
edgy warren
magic walrus
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gritty lake
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No chomp

elder knoll
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crazy

silver river
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Synthesis woger is definitely a choice

silver river
# elder knoll crazy

Omg your pfp is a bear??????
I thought it was an upside down chicken head this whole time.

gritty lake
silver river
# gritty lake It is

Why that, over things like horn leech or sd or trailblaze or uturn ot knock off or taunt/encore

undone pagoda
tacit bluff
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mmmmmmmm

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this is odd

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so you have a lorb enam with healing wish, enam usually doesn't run lorb because of its hazard weakness but also healing wish is on its scarf set typically

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but said set is used on hyper offence which this, just isn't?

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this is more of a balance team if anything

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there's also some odd set choices

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there's no reason for pecharunt to use poison gas

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its just flat out worse than toxic

nocturne sable
gritty lake
obtuse harness
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low phoenix
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all of these sets are unviable

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cinderace lando and iron valiant have protect for some reason

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why scarf dragonite + extreme speed when you can just dragon dance

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also what are landos and kyurems ev sets even for

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT
glacial narwhal
pallid coral
pallid coral
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??

nocturne sable
low phoenix
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for a chlorophyll sweeper and a tspikes absorber

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and why ninetails and torkoal

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choose one sun setter and replace with a sun abuser like raging bolt

silver river
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🥲

gritty lake
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no you dont

glacial narwhal
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roaring moon my glorious king

stone sierra
regal ginkgoBOT
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gritty lake
stone sierra
gritty lake
stone sierra
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Tera

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Or go to 1 of my 2 flying types

gritty lake
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Who cannot take on kyurem?

stone sierra
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They’re immune to the ground attack

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I could prolly go flash cannon over wisp for kyurem

gritty lake
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That won't work probably

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Against special kyurem

stone sierra
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Why not
If it’s specs I either Tera or swap

gritty lake
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Boots

stone sierra
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Boots is ddance no?

gritty lake
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Boots can also be special

stone sierra
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I can always twave pult/draco it 2 times

gritty lake
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Also having heatran as u sole fairy resist in the world of cc valiant ep enam knock clef prim won't work

stone sierra
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Oh damn I didn’t even notice the 4 fairy weaknesses

gritty lake
stone sierra
gritty lake
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Tusk worrywhirl

stone sierra
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+1 spear kills every time

gritty lake
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Huh

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Since when does dnite get that

stone sierra
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Oh

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I’m stupid I mean kyurem

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2 am moment

gritty lake
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I hv kingambit for that

stone sierra
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Defogger and fairy resist

nocturne sable
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It’s always going to be a hard Mon to switch into

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But you’re right about the team in general too many fairy weaknesses

neon smelt
regal ginkgoBOT
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silver river
gritty lake
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I feel like there is a need to address all the major threats in the tier first

silver river
neon smelt
neon smelt
silver river
neon smelt
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It’s that team, but a different user created it

elder knoll
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🤔 Prim + Apple fat seems interesting

alpine hornet
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otherwise i like this concept, a little weak to offensive ace tho

elder knoll
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🤔 I’ll keep that in mind

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also hi Aquilo

alpine hornet
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i think with good prim positioning its not awful tho

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hiii

stone sierra
neon smelt
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We made it to 1700 elo which has been my highest. I’m trying to find the right tweaks

silver river
nocturne sable
zinc echo
regal ginkgoBOT
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low phoenix
zinc echo
low phoenix
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Anyways Blaziken only really fits on hyper offense due to its frailty and all or nothing play style

zinc echo
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Aww man

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Alright

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I like hyperoffense more than balance anyways

low phoenix
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That’s fair

spring hatch
low phoenix
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This team is unviable like I said in #comp-general

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT
low phoenix
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Use a team from there instead

spring hatch
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Ok

paper chasm
round portal
silver river
low phoenix
paper chasm
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!pokepaste

regal ginkgoBOT
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barren ridge
barren ridge
gritty lake
barren ridge
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Yes.

gritty lake
regal ginkgoBOT
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stone sierra
sonic depot
regal ginkgoBOT
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frail arrow
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Bulky balance feels good but has some inconstancy issues (stone edge) any tips?

elder knoll
nocturne sable
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That’s for specs kyu

arctic frigate
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Specs kyu litterally just has to click blizzard

alpine hornet
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no bro moreso than specs kyu dd kyu is the problem

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as it tera grounds and gets plus two and wins

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can people stop making comments if they dont know wjat theyre talking abt 🥀

frail arrow
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Kyrum and water pon should be banned lowkey

north nimbus
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not the place to talk this about!

alpine hornet
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imo the most simple fix is just going lead taunt dual hazards lu, encore over dbond on ival and perhaps go cm, make pon sd pr and drop zap for something like dnite

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oh and make hatt hwisj

north nimbus
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me thinks we can also wait, to see their opinion if they would like to keep it "balanced" archetype in a way, cause i do agree with those changes but not sure if they would be fine changing the playstyle they had in mind

alpine hornet
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this is true! could def also be taken like a drop ival and hatt sort of route

north nimbus
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cause this lowkey gets bullied by opposing gambit, even more so if it has low kick

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but the main issue is def kyurem still!

frail arrow
nocturne sable
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All I said was he can play around specs kyurem

gritty lake
north nimbus
stone sierra
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echo rampart
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Prima set is fine but is Pecha + Scarf Darkrai not sufficient for physical valiant?

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you also get rlly mogged by Moltres I would sprinkle a tera fire somewhere in here, on tusk or gambit

gritty lake
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Isn't the lack of a ground immunity more of an issue here

stone sierra
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oh wait i forgot to tera

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corv would be tera dragon

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idk what clef should be

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steel?

sonic depot
sonic depot
magic cloak
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tragic

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trash at singles as always

low phoenix
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just use a sample team lol

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theyre here for new players to use to get accustomed to whats viable

gritty lake
regal ginkgoBOT
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gritty lake
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Crown is tera water mb

nocturne sable
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I swear you spammed this team like 3 times already

gritty lake
north nimbus
arctic frigate
low phoenix
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I think slowking can be an offensive knocker like weavile

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Give some more breaking power too

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Also I think standard dragon dance is better o no your kind of team

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Because you need commit Tera to dnite for that current set

arctic frigate
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this set is a movie tho

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i rlly wanna build around it

north nimbus
jaunty granite
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@north nimbus @tough garnet it's been 3000 years

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keep in mind I've basically skipped this entire gen up until like this week so this might be kinda rough

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seems this cannot switch around wake tho

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would like to keep the same offensive mons but I'm fine w changing anything as long as tusk stays

north nimbus
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omg a ghost has arise, also ratio despises this tier lmao

north nimbus
arctic frigate
stone sierra
jaunty granite
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Plus other waters

north nimbus
jaunty granite
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Tru

north nimbus
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Going bu tusk could revise this to offense a lot easier me thinks

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But idk if that’s what you want

jaunty granite
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I would like band but I can be open

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Like I said I have skipped almost the entire tier so I’m learning from the ground up again

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Would be open

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Could I still slot in supercell tho

north nimbus
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Ahh well cb also lets opposing tusk and zama in freely which is like the opposite of what you want generally

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Supercell is ngl

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Bad

jaunty granite
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Rip

north nimbus
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feels like it hits nothing that the other moves don’t already

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And if ur so concerned for waters u always got other slots to help it out

jaunty granite
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Mostly waters yea but also corv molt

elder knoll
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hitting Corv

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is always nice

tough garnet
north nimbus
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that’s true and all but then again I wouldn’t use it on cb set fwiw

jaunty granite
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Mb

tough garnet
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All good

jaunty granite
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Think it could work on BU mayb?

north nimbus
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slight maybe cause still things like stabs, spinner, knock, and rapid spin are just immensely better options tho it also depends later on towards a team if additional pressure is needed or not

jaunty granite
north nimbus
jaunty granite
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Well let’s say we make it typical BU then, what ideas do you have

north nimbus
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generally, most common stuff is bu, headlong rush, ice spinner, rapid spin being the most common, last but cc and knock are usable then again sometimes moves can be played around to hit what you need but generally you cover everything with the 3 attacks

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rapid spin is nice for well the additional speed boost and hazard removal for teams as always

jaunty granite
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Spin makes most sense in my head yea

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It’s just max max w like boots right

north nimbus
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ye well u go max hp generally just to get a free speed boost from booster

jaunty granite
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O it’s booster right

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Aight bet

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How about the rest of the team then?

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I might need a better wake answer

arctic frigate
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i dont wanna do the ''regular'' set tho im feeling silly

north nimbus
north nimbus
north nimbus
jaunty granite
north nimbus
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like making this to ho basically

jaunty granite
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Could I leave the first 3 and then change the defensive mons or what

north nimbus
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the first 4 are honest a solid start

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its just the latter two and changing up sets tbh

arctic frigate
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but i have a hard time building

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and dont want to use sample cuz i dont like ppl knowing my stes

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sets*

jaunty granite
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Deo or lando?

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Or mayb cease is enough hazards

north nimbus
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generally lando

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could make it av h samu + rocks lando, hwish hatt, bu tusk, and then dengo last

jaunty granite
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Hatterene @ Eject Button
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

  • Healing Wish
  • Psychic Noise
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Nuzzle
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This one?

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Also what ghold set

north nimbus
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np gleam offensive

jaunty granite
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This string cheese fuck gets gleam

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What

north nimbus
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ye!

jaunty granite
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I see

north nimbus
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also do wisp pult fwiw

jaunty granite
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Why exactly

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For curiosity’s sake

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Landorus-Therian (M) @ Soft Sand
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 8 HP / 240 Atk / 8 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ground
Jolly Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Earthquake
  • Stone Edge
  • U-turn
north nimbus
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one you already got a para spreader with nuzzle hat, and two wisp hits a lot of things that would otherwise be problematic

jaunty granite
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Also this one roughly for lando?

north nimbus
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like zama, gambit, opposing tusk

jaunty granite
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Oh tru I would have nuzzle hat then

north nimbus
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woops forgot gleam

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but fwiw tera ghost on tusk is to do mind games vs sd scor especially if its double dance

jaunty granite
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Word

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Gleam over recover I assume

north nimbus
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ye

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if wake is still annoying fwiw, u can make this max spa pult and go for draco since most of the darts target are covered by the rest of the team

jaunty granite
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Sick

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Will mess around w this more then

north nimbus
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nothing here likes switching into it, but then again it doesnt like to switch into anything here

jaunty granite
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Ty 🅱️rother

north nimbus
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fosho be mindful when going against np rai !

carmine oak
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help with this team? the idea is cb pult uturns on dark types to bring in val and scizor

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echo rampart
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feels like overkill on the whole pivot idea

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team seems solid overall though, I'd probably do SD Sciz and CM Raging Bolt

carmine oak
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thanks

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im ngl i just wanted to try out eject pack raging bolt

carmine oak
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haha cb sciz + thunderclap + cb pult is so good into offense

dire plaza
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Can someone help me with seeing what's wrong with my team?

regal ginkgoBOT
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nocturne sable
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Wide lens ace is interesting but ace would usually want boots

dire plaza
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Cinderace is usually just there for speed control tho and yes I hate the hjk miss and the recoil fainting
I changed psychic to energy ball
And yeah I'll change the drill peck on corv to roost
It's not a random garchomp tho. It's literally my wall breaker, and it usually breaks through so many teams

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Sooo is this new team more viable? Is it optimal?

carmine oak
dire plaza
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I see thanks

carmine oak
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also you have 2 non boots rock spikes weaks with only fog corv as hazard removal

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you could get cooked by ghold hstack

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another reason for court change

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cinder + corv is a nice hazard removing core

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there's a specs kyu team that uses that

dire plaza
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Okay imma change that

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Thank you

carmine oak
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prim set is weird too

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i see the vision of cloak

nocturne sable
carmine oak
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but what is ice beam hitting?

dire plaza
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I never even clicked it

carmine oak
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theres no real like breaker currently

carmine oak
dire plaza
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I don't even know what to do with my primarina ;-;

carmine oak
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sd chomp and that's it

carmine oak
dire plaza
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It's just there to counter that uhh minecraft block

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What do u call that

carmine oak
dire plaza
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OH GARCANGL

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Yes

nocturne sable
carmine oak
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i was thinking drop chomp, use double removal and use a breaker kyu set

dire plaza
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What's sd garchomp

carmine oak
nocturne sable
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Swords dance chomp

dire plaza
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Oh yeah sd garchomp is doing a lot to my team

carmine oak
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there's a blimax team with specs kyu cinder corv

nocturne sable
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Chomp is hard to fit on teams and only really fits on offensive teams like aurora veil

carmine oak
dire plaza
carmine oak
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hmm

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i've seen tank chomp, mixed chomp, and sd scale shot

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imo sd scale shot is bad

dire plaza
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Scale shot sucks sm omg

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I'm running it on kyurem only because of loaded dice

carmine oak
carmine oak
dire plaza
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GF needs to make some better dragon type moves fr

carmine oak
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the only other dragon sweeper that uses scale shot is dnite

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with loaded dice

dire plaza
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I just prefer a more accurate dragon claw sometimes

carmine oak
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do you really want to use sd chomp?

dire plaza
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Ofc....

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It did sm to me with tera steel why would I throw it away

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I hit 1200 with Garchomp and y'all want me to remove it 💔

carmine oak
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with iron head eq dclaw you get hard walled by corv

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you get rkilled by a lot of stuff

dire plaza
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;-;
I think I need to drop Kyurem or Dragonitw

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3 dragons is too much ig...

carmine oak
dire plaza
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Obv yes

carmine oak
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idk how to use sd chomp or how good it is

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since it doesnt have scale shot

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but i would say drop iron head for a fire move

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and then go tera fire

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u still resist ice and you can break through corv

dire plaza
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I'm gonna get cooked by Hatterene

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I fear

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Or maybe tera fire is good

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I didn't try it tho

carmine oak
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hatterene takes a tiny bit of chip and bye bye

dire plaza
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I see

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I'll consider that then

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Thx chat

gritty lake
marsh ruin
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Can you guys please rate this team I made? I know, having Lokix is probably janky and there are probably better choice for his position but I'm using him for fun. Regardless I'm willing to remove him if it doesn't fit too good.

https://pokepast.es/8b46cd81bdb13d27meo

barren ridge
digital oyster
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ty. i'll forward this there.

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sorry for the trouble =w=;

nocturne sable
marsh ruin
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@nocturne sable

north nimbus
marsh ruin
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My idea is to have immediate power with no set up required and have temporary pivot (max hp def lando t) before im forced to sack to switch because a lot of my mons are pretty frail, im trying to make an offense team.

north nimbus
marsh ruin
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Ok, i will make the new team and play it. But giving up draco pult is sad :(, he is very fun to use.

north nimbus
small rock
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Thought oger and AV hatt looked cool together

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This team loses to wellspring and Zapdos I think, also unsure about a lot of sets

north nimbus
small rock
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Bulky O

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Was the goal

north nimbus
# small rock Bulky O

makes sense av hatt fwiw you would use more agressive teams tbh, but considering ur focus is woger + av hatt not sure what you would liek for the team to go

elder knoll
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you might be better leaning more aggressive with something like a Lando

small rock
regal ginkgoBOT
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small rock
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Probably have to replace hat for slowking in that case cause Moonblast 6-0s

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And this is basically just that one kyurem team with an ogerpon if I do that, not that anything’s wrong with that

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Just thought hatt oger could work better ig

north nimbus
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hatt oger is like an okie combo not to say it isnt useable, just not something you would think right away

small rock
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Yeah fair

elder knoll
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why not make this more aggressive

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drop ace for another more offensive guy

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Lando + Hat makes a decent defensive core for volt turn

north nimbus
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was going to say if they do decide to commit to still wanting to use the team best alternative over ace would def be zama imo

elder knoll
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yeah more speed control that way

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this build reminds me of those old

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Samu + Lando offenses

small rock
elder knoll
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if you play offensively enough it should be okay

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I’d also think about switching the Pult set to maybe specs

small rock
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I think pult has to go if I go zama over ace tbh

north nimbus
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iron moth makes the most logical sense tbh > pult

small rock
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Yeah fair honestly

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I was trying to avoid fiary dance tbh lol

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But it does just look like what the last slot needs

north nimbus
small rock
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I went psyshock to hit gloking

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The initial team didnt like gloking very much but now nuzzle would projably be worth for oger and zama

summer cloak
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Psyshock is also nice to 1v1 moth

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Its a choice rly

north nimbus
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nuzzle is generally good like 99% of the time, cause paralyzing major threats is huge for most if not every team, since games can come down on para hax or the reduced speed

small rock
north nimbus
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also also if u feel like av hatt isnt helping as much, just go eject button hwish hatt but yeah,

small rock
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Idk if that’s the right way to think about it tho

small rock
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Idk if hatt applys enough or any pressure at all tho to make that work

north nimbus
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fwiw most dragons dont like coming into woger, at risk at getting knocked or potentially catch pr, then again u turn is also free momentum expecting dragons

small rock
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Doesn’t that apply to all woger checks pretty much tho?

north nimbus
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ye

small rock
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I’ll test some tonight and see

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Ty for the help guys

pallid coral
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Thoughts

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On the team

low phoenix
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Why not np hydrapple

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And torn without stab

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And change garg to standard curse

pallid coral
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Instead of icy wind

north nimbus
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I’m ngl what direction are you trying to accomplish with this team, or like what is the focus

low phoenix
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Prob a balance

pallid coral
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It’s good

north nimbus
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1400 is not that hard to get to ngl

pallid coral
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lol

low phoenix
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A good team gets you to 1900+

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1400 is nothing

pallid coral
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Enough

low phoenix
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Make my changes

north nimbus
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I’m not saying the team is bad is just what are you aiming to do with it, cause it has an idea but it also ooosk like a clump of mess fwiw

low phoenix
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Then I will say it’s ok

pallid coral
low phoenix
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Why specs hydra

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Why not np

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You’re not locked to a grass move

pallid coral
low phoenix
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Np Apple is the standard set

pallid coral
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Ok

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So I change that

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And add tera baxk

low phoenix
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Tera steel/fairy

pallid coral
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Ok

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Wdym np

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Nasty plot

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?

north nimbus
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yes

pallid coral
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Ok

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Item?

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Leftover
Boots
Covert cloth

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Any of those?

north nimbus
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The tims

pallid coral
north nimbus
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boots

pallid coral
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Ok

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Hydrapple @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Fickle Beam
  • Giga Drain
  • Earth Power
  • Nasty Plot
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This good?

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@north nimbus

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@low phoenix

north nimbus
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Hydrapple @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
Modest Nature

  • Nasty Plot
  • Fickle Beam
  • Giga Drain
  • Earth Power
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Steel might be better here fwiw

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Also if ur curse garg you generally want eq to hit things like bolt, gking, and friends

pallid coral
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Ok thanks so much 🙏

north nimbus
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Ngl I feel you might need to drop dengo or samu here, iron valiant ngl just clicks buttons agaisnt this team

pallid coral
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Dengo counters it

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Scarf

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Make it rain

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1 shots

north nimbus
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That’s not

pallid coral
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So I add a perch

north nimbus
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Something that can take a hit from valiant, just clicks a move and profits majority if not all the time

pallid coral
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Or something

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Any ideas

north nimbus
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Probably do like

pallid coral
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Do I replace dengo or samu?

north nimbus
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Pecha > h samu and scarf rai > dengo

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You actually check woger as well

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Might want to consider Tera ghost on tusk

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For double dance gliscor

pallid coral
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@north nimbus

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This good?

north nimbus
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Earthquake > body Press on garg, and make this foul play > sball and Tera dark on pecha

arctic frigate
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very silly guess the set

pallid coral
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@north nimbus

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This

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?

north nimbus
pallid coral
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@north nimbus quick question does a discord contributor get a custom avatar

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I heard someone say that

north nimbus
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They don’t idk who told you that

pallid coral
iron crag
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https://pokepast.es/21826c38148919de SV OU
peak: 1707, currently experiencing the worst tilt I've ever had
Problematic mons: Garganacl, Scizor, Dondozo, but most of all Corviknight
please RMT

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north nimbus
iron crag
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I was initially struggling with Raging Bolt, Finch suggested I use tera ground on Dnite for it, and that fixed that matchup

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I'm wanting to know if any small changes like that could improve problematic matchups

north nimbus
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first thing come to mind would be adding fire punch to dnite would make sense to help vs corv and scizor but that still doesnt vastly improve garg and dozo mu

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no taunters or encore to disrupt these heavily passive mons

iron crag
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that's an idea

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Fox has encore

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she's just there to provide veil but every now and then she gets a kill

north nimbus
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well regarding ur main offensive mons that are prob going to be around more frequent in battle comapre to the fox

iron crag
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yeah true

north nimbus
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adding woger comes to mind cause it vastly helps pressure everything listed

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and u just have overloaded breakers vs corv

iron crag
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Waterpon? I think that's a fine idea but I need to take into account someone would need to be cut and I feel like I like these 6 mons

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I know Waterpon is quite good, was on my team in dlc1 where I got 119th on ladder

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that team was Ninetales-A/Gambit/Waterpon/Moth/Tusk/Valiant

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most successful team I've ever built

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things had to change since Gliscor came back

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and hypnosis got banned

north nimbus
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then again i would prob just do eball > psychic on valiant fwiw

iron crag
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you mean Moth?

north nimbus
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ye

iron crag
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that's another idea

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uhhh I might consider that seriously

north nimbus
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and if that doesnt overall improve the mu

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then u might want to heavily consider woger

iron crag
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the issue is then my options are limited basically to Dnite if I want to counter opposing moths

elder knoll
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spdef Dozo cooks this team

iron crag
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but I mean I shouldn't be relying on a speed tie anyway

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but besides that, eball on Moth is something I think I'll try

north nimbus
iron crag
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I already have fighting coverage in gleam

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I've got 2 EQ users for poison stuff

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yeah, I'll try it out over psychic

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helps the stall matchup right?

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because it hurts Dozo

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thanks

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any other suggestions? I'm strongly considering fire punch on dnite

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but that'd make raging bolt a bit more awkward to kill

north nimbus
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it should be fpunch dnite fwiw cause then corv and scizor will still be annoying

iron crag
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if it weren't for him I'd be all for fire tera + fire punch Dnite

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I'm going to consider that

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thanks for your help

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was that it? no other suggestions? How do my EVs look?

north nimbus
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and like i said heavily consider woger

iron crag
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I will, I just don't think anyone here is replaceable

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if I had a 7th mon Pon would be it

elder knoll
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Darkrai is

north nimbus
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literally rai

elder knoll
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put Psyshock on it at least

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or Tera fighting focus blast

north nimbus
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oh wait is this not psyshock rai

iron crag
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psyshock rai you say?

north nimbus
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tho

iron crag
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what's the set?

north nimbus
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i still think woger would fit better here

iron crag
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and what does psyshock hit?

north nimbus
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literally every fat mon you can think off

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but yeh woger would just make are ur problems go away tbh

elder knoll
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Psyshock beats Blissey

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you still hardlose to Lu

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and Spdef Dozo

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but if you refuse to change anyone it’s the best solution

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This teams MU is abysmal into stall unless you make a Mon swap

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I think

iron crag
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Tell me the psychock Darkrai set please? My internet is having issues

north nimbus
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just drop beam

iron crag
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Ice beam has been really nice but I guess it's worth a shot. I have 4 ice attacks on this team already

iron crag
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@north nimbus overall, how's it look?

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made a few small adjustments, not likely to be final draft

north nimbus
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looks fine-ish still think dozo and garg are going to be major buns to face against if not woger

elder knoll
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spdef Dozo woop woo wo

iron crag
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isn't it true that any team is going to have threats to it? that said I'm fine making some adjustments to deal with things like that.

north nimbus
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yes but some teams shouldnt lose to certaint things, like offense should never just let stall be an autolose

iron crag
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fair enough. you wouldn't rate this as "good" all things considered?

north nimbus
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its good, but not solid

iron crag
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what does that mean exactly?

hot dome
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its like a 6/10

north nimbus
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like its useable and will work, but its not something that will have consecutive success and be able to function in almost every match up

iron crag
hot dome
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probably some monstrosity cooked up in a 3am spl team

iron crag
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What actually is wrong with this team then?

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and I don't suppose you have an example? @hot dome

hot dome
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think tyson said it fine as is

north nimbus
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mons like dozo garg and to some extent lu are going to be issues to deal with, u want better mu against those literally just do woger

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then the team will become solid

hot dome
elder knoll
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a 10/10 team is probably something SZ has in his back pocket

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made at 4 AM on the toilet

iron crag
hot dome
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crazy how things work sometimes

iron crag
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i wanted to do something a bit more spicy

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i have things to think about now

elder knoll
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I mean you can go for a Deo-S lead HO

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it's really awkward for stall to deal with

hot dome
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-makes a veil team
im going to be brutally honest, veil is never spicy

north nimbus
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a lead in veil or we removing atales?

north nimbus
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just not using the right mons

iron crag
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I don't know anymore

hot dome
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nah the most spice you can get is like double dance gliscor or something

north nimbus
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na

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u can be

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ur not using the right mons

elder knoll
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I've seen double shell smash veil...

hot dome
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any more and you start pushign the "this is just bad" territory

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see that's part of the "this is just bad"

north nimbus
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its veil

elder knoll
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Polte is a menace

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on veil

north nimbus
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its meant to be cheesy at the end of the day

elder knoll
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the fat sap sets

hot dome
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in ting lu meta get out

elder knoll
#

tera blasting fighting

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💔

hot dome
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does like 60 then you get phased

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and then you die next time you try to set up

iron crag
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in the initial draft I had Zama over Tusk

somber obsidian
iron crag
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but felt like Tusk gave more of what I needed

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this team got me into 1700s and since then i'm just playing bad

cold cosmos
arctic frigate
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sage garnet
#

how does this team break stall? if it doesn't, how can i change that?

tacit bluff
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maybe over scizor here

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I think your matchup into opposing offence is fine as is

arctic frigate
pallid coral
pallid coral
pallid coral
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With boots

pallid coral
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U need hazard

pallid coral
#

Get rid of dragonite and add clefable or iron valiant

pallid coral
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Freeze dry will be good for water

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And Draco meteor

arctic frigate
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If i dont have scarf

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I havr 0 speed control

pallid coral
#

Scarf

arctic frigate
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And what are the rest of the chnages for?

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Cuz rn ur just listing shit for no reason

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Or not giving one

stone sierra
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Iirc this person is rated 1400s so take their advice with a grain of salt

gritty lake
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💀

north nimbus
# arctic frigate https://pokepast.es/0976180a97754078

This looks generally fine, but I would make this zama 3 attacks roar, which then allows you to go double hazards on ting Lu, which then means you don’t want defog as much anymore on Corv so you can make this Corv 3 attacks

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and please don’t give advice if you don’t know what u are even saying, thank you

somber obsidian
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low phoenix
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i like ting lu over gliscor on this team more

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you dont have a real dark/ghost switch in

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corv can be idbp or 2 attacks + id

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swords dance waterpon for a wincon

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court change cinderace is enough hazard control for this team

nocturne sable
#

How does he deal with Zama tho

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Especially when it just Tera fires

low phoenix
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specs pult and bb corv

nocturne sable
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And Zama can just crunch

north nimbus
#

taking volt turn into a whole new meaning

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jokes asides somehting liek pecha makes sense to help vs zama and just alleviate pressure vs woger and iron val

low phoenix
#

i was thinking pecha

nocturne sable
#

I was thinking glowking

low phoenix
#

but then what would be this teams speed control

nocturne sable
low phoenix
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this team already has scizor

nocturne sable
#

I don’t think scizor is needed, and he has pult anywya

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I meant

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Drop scizor

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For pecha

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Ooops

north nimbus
#

or better yet before we do any changes

north nimbus
low phoenix
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seems like hes trying to create a pivot offense

north nimbus
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ye but if theres any mon they specifically want to keep, best to ensure it reamins for any changes

arctic frigate
#

@north nimbus wassup thx for the advice you didnt say over what mon i put zama. But im assuming oger? I have a cpl questions w that. I would then have no knocker and a pretty abismal stall matchup no?

north nimbus
arctic frigate
#

But then i just lose into dozo

north nimbus
#

Not necessarily

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If ur super concerned vs dozo then you can add taunt onto woger

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Tho at the cost of missing out on u turn

arctic frigate
#

Also unrelated garg is a massive probelm

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Evwn with zama

north nimbus
#

Garg mu is annoying but doable with zama, Lu, woger you should be generally fine against it

arctic frigate
#

Kk also is there a way i can build scarf kyu and dragonite on non ho. That was kinda my goal here so its pretty upsetting to not use kyu

north nimbus
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Uhh

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no

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If your doing that you might want to commit to a very aggressive playstyle

arctic frigate
#

Un4ch

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Ill give it a whirl with zama

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Thx for the help

north nimbus
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No problemo !

arctic frigate
#

I will undoubtbly be back today

somber obsidian
north nimbus
#

also fwiw whenever ur building voltturn, you dontn necessarily need all 6 mons to be pivoters since then u will miss out something crucial to help cover other things

arctic frigate
#

So like this then right

north nimbus
#

i do think u would want pecharunt in this team, and replacing it over cinderace is only logical, cause this still gives u something for zama, iron val, and alleviate pressure against woger, you might actually want to consider bpress on corv just to help out vs gambit, but i understand if u would prefer bb then again u can also decide to do bpress and bb with no turn(just be mindful when fighting against ghost if u do decide to), make this wisp boots pult this is just more resillience to help vs gambit and zama (though truthfully i would prefer this to be a zama), and replace gliscor with ting-lu you get a phaser, a solid ghost resist, and u handle things like rai, iron moth, dengo, and bolt a lot better

north nimbus
nocturne sable
arctic frigate
#

Reason of fp over hex?

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is it just considerd better

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but many thanks

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and max speed pech over my full phys def b4?

north nimbus
#

helps a lot vs dnite, cause if u go against opposing tera fire dnite you get smacked

low phoenix
#

ogerpon w without hazard control?

arctic frigate
#

i got that dog in me

north nimbus
north nimbus
arctic frigate
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👍

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I could also run weavile no?

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tera ice

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to breake

north nimbus
#

over woger?

arctic frigate
#

ye

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ut atp its very close to the sample

north nimbus
#

yeah u can but u just let dozo and garg have free real estate

arctic frigate
#

hmmm true

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keld?

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might

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be pretty fire

#

here

low phoenix
north nimbus
#

ye

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then again when in doubt this can just be rocks lu, defog corv, and boom

north nimbus
somber obsidian
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Oh lmao

#

They’re pretty much the same thing

north nimbus
#

ye

somber obsidian
# north nimbus ye

one quick thing is that I’ve oddly had trouble w pelipper what should I do abt that

north nimbus
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play aggresive with pult and woger generallt against rain

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those are the main mons u want healthy and active against em

somber obsidian
#

alr got it anything else I should know or do

north nimbus
#

everything else should be fine

somber obsidian
#

Alr thank you man

nocturne sable
turbid kelp
#

I thought trick room just wasn't very good in general

north nimbus
#

It’s usable just not reliable compared to other archetypes

nocturne sable
#

basically you’re giving strong and slow wallbreakers like Ursa and Iron Hands the chance to basically outspeed the metagame

stuck wren
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north nimbus
arctic frigate
somber obsidian
north nimbus
#

dnite, tho if you do that then I feel ur better off zama > pult

somber obsidian
#

ah alr

#

which sets

arctic frigate
#

ace for a removal since no boots

north nimbus
#

Make Corv bb now

north nimbus
arctic frigate
#

I mean other stff aswell

stuck wren
north nimbus
arctic frigate
#

Ty

#

Rocks tusk then whirl on tign?

north nimbus
north nimbus
stuck wren
arctic frigate
wooden linden
stone sierra
elder knoll
wooden linden
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mixed is pretty good yeah

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though im thinking of having a set up mon here

elder knoll
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and NP Ghold

wooden linden
#

Nah scarf bolt is practically sun exclusive

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And also using a scarfer outsped by pult and zama is kinda wack

low phoenix
stone sierra
#

I’d prefer to keep mola bc wish passing onto lu/tran is super useful

nocturne sable
arctic frigate
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silver river
#

Well, hawlucha def was never that great, so maybe after you tera poison whirlwind him out and he comes back without his terrain seed boost you can still do decent dmg with stone edge.

#

I also really like Blimax's set of eq revenge rest sleeptalk
It's very funny

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Ting lu is so goated man, i would kiss him on his dry, sandy mouth if i could.

edgy warren
#

and pretty decent setters in general

#

ursaluna hands hoopa u etc. r all nuclear bombs that can take a lot of dmg

edgy warren
north nimbus
# arctic frigate https://pokepast.es/dfbc5372384d43c1

Ngl this looks like dnite would be a lot better > kyurem also gives u an actual ground resist, and also could use an immediate breaker like 4 attacks zama, tho having zama and espeed dnite you dont need scarf rai as much and can opt it out for something else like with a steel probably bulky twave dengo

stone sierra
edgy warren
#

@stone sierra ur sets r not the greatest btw

stone sierra
#

I can read

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I copied the set off a sample team

edgy warren
#

really? ive never seen most of those b4 xd

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maybe theres a reason behind them but a lot of em seem kinda redundant like primarina being a slow sub mon with no lefties seems odd to me

stone sierra
#

Torrent

nocturne sable
edgy warren
edgy warren
nocturne sable
#

Melmetal would be Ubers

edgy warren
#

melmetal is a respectable young man

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he does not cheese

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he does not set up and sweep.your team with no counterplay

#

melmetal simply clicks double iron bash and wins 1v1 vs every mon in the game. thats my boy

nocturne sable
arctic frigate
north nimbus
arctic frigate
#

Could work yeah

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But opposin kyu could be scary

silver river
#

The amount of times I've been rapid spin into ice spinner by a tusk makes me really want to switch the dnite tera to ghost I'm ngl

arctic frigate
#

Same with meow and ig dozo

north nimbus
# arctic frigate Same with meow and ig dozo

feels like this is an exaggeration when you will have zama, dnite, gweez for meow, tho if ur super concerned for dozo then i would also just do mixed boots kyurem, corv > rai, and then id zama

#

just dont think dd kyurem fits here

arctic frigate
#

Kk ty

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Ill give it a go when im home

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Could you tell me why it doesnt? I wanna just become a good builder and im sure u dont like perma ratin the same person

elder knoll
#

You have no ground resist

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they click earthquake and you can’t do anything

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Dnite also has more defensive utility than Kyurem and fits better on fatter structures like this

north nimbus
#

its better to ask questions rather then repeating the same mistakes and not learn, but main reason one u dont have ground resist, and secondly that kyurem set fits better on more offensive and aggressive structures

arctic frigate
#

Whats bulky dnite btw?

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Cuz i assume i need max speed

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Dk i just go like 104 attack ada and then some health?

#

Roost dd espeed eq?

north nimbus
#

Dragonite (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 104 Atk / 52 Def / 104 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Extreme Speed
  • Earthquake
  • Dragon Dance
  • Roost
    this is the set i be using, speed investment after a ddance gives u jump and speed tie with occasional chomps, rest is in bulk to better switch into things like woger and friends
arctic frigate
#

Many thanks

elder knoll
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elder knoll
#

🤔 no ground immune there’s a Mola

north nimbus
elder knoll
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Tera dragon Mola should do ok against Pivot Spring

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I’m not sure about that treads set though

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🤔

north nimbus
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Me thinks adding a bird in here would make the most sense to help out, cause you gotta burn Tera vs woger majority of the time, but then you would also have to change a lot of mons, unless you do tickle

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Yeah treads seems completely random here

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Tusk would make a lot more sense here but then no steel is kinda balls

elder knoll
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maybe a spdef Corv?

north nimbus
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So great tusk > treads and Spdef Corv > garg

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Hmm could work

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You already have mola tusk gweez for most of the thing regular Corv would check

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Could even do something crazy like bu taunt Corv maybe

elder knoll
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🤔

north nimbus
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Ehh

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But yeah that makes the most logical

arctic frigate
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Monster thx for the help. team feels rlly good. Still gettin used to wishpassin ive mostly been spammin glowking but it feels great!

north nimbus
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No problemo catheart

nocturne sable
north nimbus
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The x button

gritty lake
north nimbus
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You cheese but also get cheesed yourself

nocturne sable
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Wait which Mon is that again

north nimbus
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Magearna

north nimbus
nocturne sable
arctic frigate
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@north nimbus

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Just dawned to me

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i have no knock

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is that ok?

north nimbus
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Uhh what’s the 6 again depending on what is should be fine

arctic frigate
low phoenix
jaunty granite
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yea seems to be one of them with nite over torn

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and a couple slightly diff sets

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anyway this is not that sample but

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I am largely tilt losing so far but I think having manual hazard control other than hat would be useful

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or making kyurem boots

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would like to keep the first two everything else I'm chill

empty verge
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@jaunty granite I think you can honestly do great tusk > Lando and Moltres > hatt

Great tusk gives you a bit more consistent removal for kyurem

Moltres gives you a reliable answer into grounds since we are dropping Lando helps with stuff like Ghold and Val takes the pressure off crown and sam

jaunty granite
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word

empty verge
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Alternatively you can do Galarian Weezing > hatt for a very consistent defog I never tried it outside of balance though so idk how it would perform here

jaunty granite
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I was considering tusk at one point but thought it might overlap w zama too much

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for weaknesses at least

empty verge
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Ye that’s totally fair you can do alternative speed control options if anything

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Darkrai would be good me thinks

jaunty granite
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I do like the phazing potential of roar too but I could go roar molt instead

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like scarf darkrai?

empty verge
jaunty granite
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bet

empty verge
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Lmk how it goes

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Oh be wary of pon

jaunty granite
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oh true

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that mf scary

empty verge
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Yeah lmao but I’m here if anything

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Lmk

jaunty granite
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uhhh what does scarf darkrai run as last

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pulse sludge and trick

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are what I have now

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focus or beam I imagine?

empty verge
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Darkrai @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Timid Nature

  • Dark Pulse
  • Sludge Bomb
  • Ice Beam
  • Trick
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This

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Oh you can do tera grass on molt

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For emergency pon stuff

jaunty granite
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oh forgot to change tera on darkrai

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maybe ghost since I have literally one fighting resist

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or ig poison gives that too

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also @empty verge helm or boots on tusk?

empty verge
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Def boots

jaunty granite
empty verge
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Yeah poison is better

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On darkrai

north nimbus
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This is an early dlc 2 team if I’ve seen one

tacit bluff
tacit bluff
north nimbus
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Most likely over u turn