SV OU Rates

[tepid hazel]

I’ve heard about ace lu

[low phoenix]

Gholdengo Dragonite Ting Lu

[tepid hazel]

I’ve heard about most of these except the 2nd

[low phoenix]

I suggest you start by building around these cores first

[barren ridge]

Hey, if you’ve been asked to stop posting the same team/aren’t taking feedback this may not be the space for you

[tepid hazel]

what

I am taking feedback

what’d I do

[low phoenix]

Yet you keep insisting that ttar is good

[tepid hazel]

I said it once

[hot dome]

You've been told multiple times to scrap the team and use samples and every time you do not listen

[low phoenix]

You posted this yesterday

schrodingers fallacy

[tepid hazel]

it’s not even close to the same team

[low phoenix]

the same point is still there

[tepid hazel]

Bro I don’t get it tho

[low phoenix]

ok im going to state this as simply as possible

your team is unviable

[tepid hazel]

ok

[low phoenix]

use a sample team as they are models made by experienced players for new players to try out and get used to the game

if you dont mind fucking around in 1100s feel free to use your team/whatever

but if you want to ladder and break past low ladder you need to use what is viable

[tepid hazel]

yo ok so now ur js insulting me

[barren ridge]

Nothing about that was an insult. If your team has major problems you will be directed to the samples so you can better learn the metagame. If you’re not willing to optimize something that you feel is “good enough and you’re happy with it” then that’s great but not what the rmt section is for.

[tepid hazel]

Ok

So I’m looking through the samples

None of em look good

What do u recommend

[barren ridge]

The samples are proven teams with a great ladder record or tournament performance

[tepid hazel]

I know

None of them look APPEALING*

[low phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-facepalm-raxalxshivar-anano-ananofacepalm-gif-12554045231795655384

[barren ridge]

You could look at the team bazaar but those are not vetted as well and can vary drastically in quality

[hot dome]

They explicitly want anti meta teams

[low phoenix]

if you want to use more "unique" teams just look at the rmt thread and check for top ladder teams

[barren ridge]

If that’s all you’re looking for this, again, isn’t the space

[tepid hazel]

No I want teams that call to me

[tepid hazel]

which rmt?

[tacit bluff]

then idk dude

to build anti meta you have to know the meta

thats the point of an anti meta team

[low phoenix]

someone made a leavanny sun team that peaked if you want to use something off meta

[tacit bluff]

you become well versed enough with the meta you begin to understand the means behind countering it whilst maintaining a viable and solid team

[low phoenix]

or you can you know

play another meta

[tepid hazel]

Oh hold on I just found a cutie pie

[low phoenix]

like 35 pokes

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/66387de2b51f2d16

[low phoenix]

[tacit bluff]

pecharunt was anti meta at some point, now its become the meta

[tepid hazel]

OH THAT REMINDS ME

where do I submit 35 pokes teams

[low phoenix]

the 35 pokes discord

[barren ridge]

This isn’t the space for that

[tepid hazel]

where is that

[tepid hazel]

I know that’s why I’m asking

[low phoenix]

^

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/6213795054134480

[low phoenix]

youre just posting previous sample teams now

im not going to say anything more

good luck

[barren ridge]

Please read the rules and use the channels properly or you will be restricted from them

[livid yew]

hello,can someone tell what are the weaknesses of this team ? https://pokepast.es/76390fb6dec069a9

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ce4dc234a1f5e23a What would be a good last here?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/924d85962d6018c9

I need a second opinion on this

Lowkey I think Blissey might be the one that needs to go

I’m not sure about the
Apple/Dirge/Pex core though

It’s FWG and they help to wear down and bait in each other checks defensive but it’s tusk weak
Meaning Skarm has to be the primary tusk switch in unless I Tera ghost Apple. But if I don’t I lose to supercell slam tusk and booster attack CC. Also this entire team is weak to Tusk

[hot dome]

what is that greedy gliscor set

[elder knoll]

Skarm loses long term to Gliscor

so uh… It’s a band aid solution

[low phoenix]

There is a reason why Gliscor is S in the stall bible while skarm is like B

[elder knoll]

Skarm is budget Corv

[low phoenix]

also unless youre trying to challenge yourself by building around skeledirge i wouldnt use it

[elder knoll]

yeah I’m trying to build around Dirge 😔

It’s interesting since it’s the least passive unaware user

[low phoenix]

for some reason i feel like this team has too much offensive breaking power with hydrapple and sd scor to be considered stall yet it has blissey

[elder knoll]

Yeah Blissey is kinda of too passive

[low phoenix]

so i see it as more like a very very fat team rather than pure stall

[elder knoll]

[low phoenix]

im not a stall expert though so

[elder knoll]

Dirge and Apple make a neat offensive core

cause dirge can beat Glowking after its wisp

and Apple wears down Lu

[low phoenix]

i think clod fan is better in stall

so i might tag him if he doesnt mind

[elder knoll]

this is high key

a semi-stall

or really fat hazard stack

yeah Blissey is Tera dark

😭

[low phoenix]

nvm tera dark blissey

[elder knoll]

Apple and Blissey are basically fighting for Tera

which is a head ache

[low phoenix]

idk i just feel like stuff like weavile and dragapult just wear this team down over time

but stall will be stall in gen9 so

what am i to say

[elder knoll]

Weavile isn’t actually a terrible matchup

[hot dome]

your skarm falls over

[elder knoll]

It only really finds entry on like Blissey

[hot dome]

hazard pressure is way too easy on this team

[low phoenix]

^

[elder knoll]

🤔

Clef maybe?

Another knock absorber

[hot dome]

drop the dirge 😭

bro does litearlly nothing for you just hogs tera

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/69e603c6c86cf3e3

What could be good last 2 here

[hot dome]

we don't reate incomplete teams

[arctic frigate]

oh

[low phoenix]

#comp-general

[elder knoll]

😔 bro does uh….

wisps Gambit and dies

[arctic frigate]

where can i do that

ty

[low phoenix]

unaware clef can be good tech im guessing if you really want an unaware mon

[hot dome]

why would you want to run unaware clef tho

[low phoenix]

ghetto dozo

[elder knoll]

it doesn’t really solve any issues

[hot dome]

just run dozo

anyways this team gets 6-0d by knock pon since it keeps forcing in hydrapple then pivoting for relatively free

[low phoenix]

and "checks" weavile and pult

[hot dome]

really just not a fan of this stall team

[elder knoll]

yeah against Pon it’s either hazards or die

😭

[hot dome]

you have no hazard blocker

*hazard remover blocker

[low phoenix]

i think stall has been trending towards double removal

[hot dome]

dirge is terrified of switching into knock

[low phoenix]

with corv / g weezing

[elder knoll]

that’s why Apple is ghost it forces out Tusk every time

but like

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/4c3fa9883fb21458

[elder knoll]

if they have pon + tusk

💀

[hot dome]

this team just doesnt work man

[elder knoll]

the better version of this team

is SD Gliscor

[low phoenix]

who sets hazards then

[elder knoll]

It’s normally Chansey with sp def Dozo

or Blissey

[low phoenix]

semi stall isnt good in gen9 tbh

[elder knoll]

It’s decent I got pretty far with Hoopa semi

it’s just that there’s not enough progress mons

[low phoenix]

if youre investing into passive blobs this gen you really need to commit to supporting them

[elder knoll]

with enough utility

[low phoenix]

sorry im not the best voice on stall stall is prob my least played playstyle atm

[elder knoll]

like the only potential decent semi-mons

are like

[low phoenix]

more of a bulky offence/balance guy myself

[elder knoll]

Meow, Hoopa, and Weavile

they’ve got knock and are scary offensively

idt I’m gonna Dirge to work

[low phoenix]

yea

too many grounds dark waters and ghosts for dirge to work

[elder knoll]

Bro is somehow harder to slot into stall than Hoopa

[low phoenix]

not worth the opportunity cost

[elder knoll]

wait lemme slide you my Hoopa semi

so I have an excuse to shill it

https://pokepast.es/cff12dad8570cbdc

[low phoenix]

ok i will admit this team looks better than the previous team

why quag over dozo tho

[elder knoll]

it baits in the birds for Hoopa

Quag tends to force in Corv since people are afraid of toxic

While Dozo baits in offensive guys which isn’t great for Hoopa

Also Quag doesn’t let in Glowking for free which this team despises

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/hoopa-unbound-semi-stall-peak-1925-no-gliscor-or-dondozo.3762322/
I wrote a bit about here

[livid yew]

WHAAT 😭

[low phoenix]

oh so you know what youre doing lmao

[hot dome]

this isnt the channel to shill

there's an rmt forum, do it there

[elder knoll]

😭 ok mb

anyways dirge is ass

I’ll be back to the drawing board

[arctic frigate]

ok i tried something new

how does this look

wait

https://pokepast.es/740d44fe8f19fc3c

[elder knoll]

Garg really wants to run lefties for longevity

[nocturne sable]

Where’s the weavile

[arctic frigate]

yeah i changed for val

[arctic frigate]

even when no removal?

[elder knoll]

Garg isn’t great if there isn’t removal tbh

[low phoenix]

hdb garg can work imo

[elder knoll]

Like it can work but I think you’d be better off with another rocker

[low phoenix]

its got bulk and recovery

[arctic frigate]

im hearing

2 mixed opinions

[hot dome]

sinistcha gets worn down too easily to serve as your only spin blocker

you also have literally no way to punish defog + multiple ways to give corv entry

[arctic frigate]

So i need to replace a few mons

[elder knoll]

If you put T-Bolt on Val

it’s a very threatening knocker

since it beats Corv

[arctic frigate]

oh yeah

Would glowking be good

over skarm

and then spikes on glisc

and then kingambit last

with tera ghost it gives me a way to spinblock if needed and i threaten corv with a sd

and it gives priority which i lack

https://pokepast.es/3bb06c8dec06f54d

[magic walrus]

Those are trash I’m saying glaceon, maushold, and blaze

[magic walrus]

Blade is fine but moveset

Oh yeah ttar ain’t that good

[low phoenix]

i think this team might struggle against gliscor a bit

you can try pech over sinistcha and boots wake over gking

[arctic frigate]

What set on pecha

[low phoenix]

max def standard defensive

Pecharunt @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Poison Puppeteer
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Ghost / Dark
Bold Nature

• Malignant Chain
• Hex / Foul Play
• Parting Shot
• Recover

[arctic frigate]

Tu

This wake set

?

Ussuallu im not on phone but im just in bed rn hah

[low phoenix]

you can just copy paste the set here lol

[arctic frigate]

Oh ye

Walking Wake @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Surf
• Draco Meteor
• Knock Off
• Flip Turn

[low phoenix]

yea

[arctic frigate]

Ty ill give it a shot

Its feeling pretty good so far

[low phoenix]

first time ive recommended boots wake in a team lol

been wanting to do so hope it works out

[arctic frigate]

It did

I also have a variation of this team with weav zama

But im gonna test this out

[low phoenix]

good

having multiple variations of a team is always a good idea when testing

[arctic frigate]

I do lack priority tho

Now

[low phoenix]

priority is nice but not strictly necessary

[arctic frigate]

Kk

[oblique root]

https://pokepast.es/8e2e21b0e4d359af Tried building with ham+lando core

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[oblique root]

https://tenor.com/view/rika-pokemon-pokémon-pokemones-pocket-monsters-gif-2113515973545753506

[elder knoll]

AV Prim really wants hazard removal

[oblique root]

does it really matter that much with the comp?

[outer agate]

https://pokepast.es/0651b03df0f2d19b
I am building a sun team. Torkoal, Lando, and Ceruledge are guaranteed staying so what should I replace valiant, gliscor, and toxapex with?

[low phoenix]

Most of your mons except ceruledge and torkoal don’t work in sun

I recommend to look at sample teams to understand what works in the current meta

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/5a5a824372845847 balance that need to find a good ol flying type

[tacit bluff]

I personally don't like specs crown as I feel it has too many switchins to afford a move lock

but aside from that yeah you could use a ground immunity with so many ground/spike weak stuff

pecha and crown yeah but also no boots on alo undermines its regen a bit

[magic walrus]

True

Can see it being weak to spikestack

I’m just tryna test out specs crown

[tacit bluff]

what I will say is that you could consider a diff pivot

I think crown is fine here just make it av

and then you could slot smth like

zapdos

[pseudo haven]

https://pokepast.es/cebf5bb61d42384b

my first ever team!

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pseudo haven]

What matchups should i avoid? what basic components am i missing?

[trail whale]

This looks pretty good but Garganacl looks extremely out of place

[pseudo haven]

well I wanted hazards

any ideas for replacements?

maybe something like tusk or landorus

[trail whale]

I think I like Lando T and Cinderace -> Kingambit the most

[pseudo haven]

cinderace over kingambit

may I ask why?

orr uhh the other way around

whoops

[trail whale]

Garg is kind of a momentum sink on the team since its so slow and is not instantly threatening. Your current team looks like an Offense that wants to maintain momentum and offensive pressure with set up sweepers and pivots. Garganacl is very awkward for this and notably makes you especially struggle against Raging Bolt without a Ground type.

Having 3 pivots after adding Lando-T seems excessive, and losing Pecharunt means that you lack a Pecharunt switch in, and a way to safely hit it hard. Priority is also very good for an offensive team when your other form of speed control is Zamazenta

[pseudo haven]

alright

thank you!!!!

[unkempt sandal]

What does RAT mean?

Sorry weird question

But I've seen 3 different people with that tag

[trail whale]

I don't even know

[unkempt sandal]

Lmao

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/202d5859c999fe0a

[low phoenix]

not sure about clodsire on hazard stack as i feel like it is usable somewhere but i can tell you its generally outclassed by ting lu which is far less passive

also your team is passive vs swords dance scor

[elder knoll]

I’ve seen one guy use WA clod on H-stack

Paired with Torn I don’t remember the rest of the team though

[potent canyon]

https://pokepast.es/a01f6744e2b90d8e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

electrode hisui and salamence are unfortunately unviable as the former is too frail and blanks vs dragons and ting lu while the latter is just outclassed as a dragon dancer by dragonite the majority of the time

[potent canyon]

wym ?

[low phoenix]

also darkrai and kingambit are the only ones with viable sets the rest have bad sets

also ivy cudgel and tera blast on waterpon

one is strictly better than the other

[potent canyon]

there not good ?

[low phoenix]

no

I recommend you to look at sample teams as they are made with new players in mind to try out and see what's good

[potent canyon]

wym

[low phoenix]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

yea you are definitely new lol

just use a sample team they're ladder and tournament tested so you know they're good

[foggy pivot]

Idk what to do anymore now https://pokepast.es/d151a419c5ddb5f2

[pseudo haven]

im not good at pokemon, all I know is the ogerpon set is terrible

i would definitely swap that out for a standard set on the smogon analysis page

https://pokepast.es/19bdd5d64272bd5d I’d like to swap something out for breaking corviknight, anyone have any ideas?

[foggy pivot]

Bulky wellspring is a real set

It's just uncommon

[pseudo haven]

I’m really not sure it is

[pseudo haven]

for good reason

[foggy pivot]

It's rare in low ladder

[pseudo haven]

and it’s common in high ladder?

I feel like horn leech would be better anyway, for grass STAB and also recovery

after all, ur using wellspring on BO and HO it can swap consistent recovery for better coverage

[magic walrus]

Ey DONT give advice when ur not familiar with the meta

[pseudo haven]

woah ur an angry one

i know it is…

[magic walrus]

In being serious

[foggy pivot]

You might wanna look at the evs bulky wellspring has

[magic walrus]

Oh never mind

[pseudo haven]

Oh yeah what ARE the EVs for?

would you not just prefer max speed max atk/hp?

[foggy pivot]

Bulky wellspring

Outspeed kyurem and crown

[pseudo haven]

110 is a pretty crowded tier I would go max speed imo

[foggy pivot]

Enough attack to do damage when accounting for the mask boosted damage

[pseudo haven]

wake, keld, moth, lati

even other wellsprings

[foggy pivot]

Keldeo can't really do much vs wellspring

[pseudo haven]

i’d go 252+ just in case

[foggy pivot]

Wake is on sun a majority of the time

Latias is not real

Moth is moth

[magic walrus]

Ive checked smogon sets and it is only max speed

[pseudo haven]

latios is very much real

[magic walrus]

Latias is real as a wincon

[foggy pivot]

On ho

Usually screens

[pseudo haven]

i’m not sure about latias

latios is scary though

very versatile

[magic walrus]

Not that bad it is UU tho

[foggy pivot]

Latias kinda just becomes ting lu fodder

[pseudo haven]

i’ve seen it on a bunch of teams

anyways before my team falls to the depths here it is https://pokepast.es/19bdd5d64272bd5d

I need something to break corviknight

[foggy pivot]

Roar zama

[pseudo haven]

ok

but I need something for corv

[foggy pivot]

Corv can't really do much when zama is at +6

[pseudo haven]

ok

[foggy pivot]

Plus with hazards, you can break down corv

[magic walrus]

Cope

[foggy pivot]

If you want, you could swap something out for like say, a thunderbolt iron valiant?

[magic walrus]

Slowly tho yes

[foggy pivot]

?

[magic walrus]

So here are some good corv checks
Bolt
Zapdos
Moltres
Gholdengo

Not sure which right now

[foggy pivot]

There's also tera electric iron valiant

[magic walrus]

🙂‍↔️ that is bad on Val

[foggy pivot]

It's not?

It's made to deal with corviknight

[magic walrus]

Tera is enough

[foggy pivot]

Tera electric is for brave bird variants

[magic walrus]

It still works against body press unless enemy tears

[foggy pivot]

Tera electric also stops thunder wave from slowing you down

[magic walrus]

Teras

[foggy pivot]

Corviknight's common tera types are water and dragon

[magic walrus]

Tera elec only good on bolt Val

[magic walrus]

Fighting on rare occasions

[foggy pivot]

That's the point?

[foggy pivot]

Which you hit with moonblast

[magic walrus]

Yeah

Someone pull up a calc

[foggy pivot]

252 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Tera Dragon Corviknight: 336-396 (84.2 - 99.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[magic walrus]

Thx

[viscid mist]

https://pokepast.es/152975711f30408e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[viscid mist]

[fervent sluice]

https://pokepast.es/4a1b526e07b4d05b

at 1600 elo i’m having trouble keeping weather up but sacrificing ice beam on manaphy for rain dance hurts the offensive pressure a lot. should i go physical jirachi to get ice punch in

[viscid mist]

wow

[fervent sluice]

my biggest threat so far has been hexpult and late game gambit

meowscarada lead is sometimes troublesome

[fervent sluice]

ikr built it from the ground up

[echo rampart]

has this jirachi does anything at all for you

[fervent sluice]

it gets clodsire, garganacl and stops lead setups

it absolutely does run away with thunder spam+para I got multiple replays

[echo rampart]

what does it do to Garg

[fervent sluice]

but calm mind works well also…

[fervent sluice]

just trick

[echo rampart]

so why that over any other mon that learns Trick

Jirachi is like an RU mon

[fervent sluice]

to resist fairy

and it’s faster than a lot of non pranksters

Now kyurem is also a big threat and I was running flash cannon>shadow ball just in case it got to +1

1500-1600 is littered with pecharaunt, trevenant and dragapult

[echo rampart]

Trevenant ?

do you mean another mon

[fervent sluice]

it’s not a big deal for this team

ghost grass trev yes

[echo rampart]

no that is not used

[fervent sluice]

I see it a lot recently

[echo rampart]

no u dont

[fervent sluice]

maybe just gimmick then okay

recently being like past week lolol

[echo rampart]

trev is the 249'th most used Pokemon, lower than Pikachu

it is not used

[fervent sluice]

but I have no prio except aqua jet and i’m starting to feel it

gotcha

haven’t looked at tiering usage at all

but i’ve played like 800 games lmao

[echo rampart]

what rating are you rn then

[fervent sluice]

1531

when does it get bad

1700?

[echo rampart]

not bad but ur gonna plateau with a gimmick team like that

[fervent sluice]

that’s what i’m thinking. 🤣

[echo rampart]

standard rain is already hard enough to use since it has a terrible MU into dragonite, kyurem, and ogerpon wellspring

but this is just poorly optimized

and ur holding urself back using stuff like jirachi

[fervent sluice]

ogerpon is the reason I run scarf zap

[echo rampart]

well vs zapdos theyre either gonna tera (and live ur hit then kill you) or switch out

scarf or not

[fervent sluice]

yeah then it’s always tinglu or chomp eating weather ball but ur right that happens way too often

ogerponw is a problem

[echo rampart]

I'd honestly just not use weather if ur still trying to learn the game

[fervent sluice]

I don’t see weather in sv ou a lot I am surprised.

[echo rampart]

for the reasons i said above but if anything, sand and sun are useable at least

[fervent sluice]

I will look into building around ttar

Personally I see the vision in sun but i’m not a fan of the paradox mons losing boost if weather chokes

Walking wake has so many counters when I tried to use it

[echo rampart]

generally the goal is to end the game as soon as possible with Sun

but there are some solid ttar excadrill offenses out there

[fervent sluice]

Yeah I love drill, been holding its own for a long time..sand might be the push I need

the team just gets gassed by the exact mons you listed lmao

the roaring moon leads gave me hell. it finally got banned? o.O I need to check!!

TY for your input for real

[viscid mist]

.

[low phoenix]

This team seems very vulnerable to darkrai with few counterplay options for it

what kind of teamstyle are you trying to build?

[hardy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/5928135cb5d64d90
rain team with choice scarf kyurem... to fuck the shit out of ogerpon wellspring and fast water mons.. been working very well so far

[potent canyon]

https://pokepast.es/0850e365d3786066
whats a good water type i can replace ogerpon w

[elder knoll]

This teams look weak to D-nite

[hardy dagger]

i haven't really had issues with d-nite..

as long as i make sure it doesnt have multiscale freeze dry is a nuke on it

and its choice scarf

of course.. tera is a problem

[hot dome]

You were already told to use samples

[potent canyon]

scout u wanna test your team against mine?

[hot dome]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hardy dagger]

sure

[potent canyon]

i dont wanna use samples. i build my own teams

[hot dome]

If you post in this channel you must be willing to listen to the advice of the raters

If you want to keep your team, that is fine, but do not post it here if you’re not going to listen

[potent canyon]

i am asking for a good tanky water type.

[hardy dagger]

prim?

[hot dome]

This isn’t the channel for that

[potent canyon]

what channel can i go to

[hot dome]

This channel is for full team rates

#comp-general , though it’s up to whoever’s active to answer you

[potent canyon]

thanks yoo scout my name on showdown trippnoffacid

[low phoenix]

you can just use raging bolt over scarf kyurem lol

[hardy dagger]

the whole point is to murder ogerpon wellspring..

[low phoenix]

raging bolt + priority and speed control already does that

also idk what great tusk and iron valiant are doing

[hot dome]

Wellspring leaves when Kyurem enters anyways you’re not really going to get a situation where Kyurem can pick wellspring

[hardy dagger]

i've seen a lot of wellspring just click u turn

[low phoenix]

being locked into a choiced move when you opponent can just switch into a steel sucks

[hardy dagger]

expecting choice specs or dragon dance

and getting nuked

then bara fucks people up

[low phoenix]

raging bolt is more consistent in rain

[nocturne sable]

Scarf Kyurem… is a suprise factor at best on ladder but it’s not really optimal

[hot dome]

Also stacking more hazard weak mons on the team that’s notorious weak into hazard is not the best play

[elder knoll]

If you really still don’t like Wellspring after the scarf bolt change

You have the option of trying to slot in a hurricane user in exchange for something else

[low phoenix]

zapdos and torn t are decent options i believe

[hardy dagger]

u-turn on wellspring is annoying though

sure it forces wellspring out but it doesnt get rid of it..

[low phoenix]

as clod and i said being forced into a choiced move when your opponent can just switch into a steel and the hazard weakness isnt worth the opportunity cost

especially when rain is already a niche playstyle to begin with in gen9

[hardy dagger]

the hazard weakness is annoying.. but switching into a steel just opens up great tusk or bara... banded bara hits REALLY hard

[low phoenix]

and how are you going to switch barra in

when barra itself is so frail and vulnerable to priority

just go booster iron treads over great tusk and tornadus or overqwil over iron valiant

[hardy dagger]

alr

[low phoenix]

yea think of rain as another varient of hyper offense you want to do as much damage as quickly as posssible and sometimes you will have to sack one of your mons to maintain momentum and move on to your next breaker/sweeper

[hardy dagger]

so torn t or regular torn

?

[low phoenix]

torn t lmao

one is uu and ranked B+ in the vr and the other is all the way down in nu

[hardy dagger]

true true

https://pokepast.es/acd59b8dc027d6d8

this better?

[low phoenix]

i just said to switch kyurem to raging bolt...

[hot dome]

foul play torn?

[hardy dagger]

idk the regular torn set

[low phoenix]

scarf kyurem is honestly a big momentum sink since especially when ogerpon knows youre going to switch in kyurem and pivots out

[low phoenix]

just use the smogon set

[hot dome]

also this team gets 6-0ed by dnite

[hardy dagger]

i've won games against several dnite teams.. if i u turn / flip turn on dragonite kyurem earns a easy ko

[low phoenix]

dragonite just sets up some ddancers tera normals and goobs the entire team with espeed

[hardy dagger]

yeah great tusk is coming back...

lost a game to air balloon kingambit because i have no fighting moves on my team\

[low phoenix]

you can try keldeo

over overqwil/torn

basically raging bolt pelipper iron treads barraskewda keldeo kingambit/ogerpon w

or give kingambit low kick

[hardy dagger]

so kingambit with lowkick..

[low phoenix]

yes that is real

[elder knoll]

low kick runs jolly if you’re trying to goob other gambits

[low phoenix]

just be sure to make it max speed

tho

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/9a7dafb2c4ac9ee1

I tried building around LO Apple

Idk if I have sufficient offense/speed control

[low phoenix]

scarf val is

interesting

idk how viable it is but from my understanding its pretty fraud these days

you can try it but im betting its not listed as a smogon set for a reason

[elder knoll]

🤔

Do you think scarf Krai is a better fit here

[low phoenix]

Yea actually

Your ghost matchup seems eh thinking about it

And gholdengo easily plays around this team

[elder knoll]

Maybe I can slot in a gambit somewhere?

[low phoenix]

No I dont think so

You need the hazard removal and the Corv Lu king defensive core

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/5e9f562f97fc04f2

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

this team is actually trying to be good I’m not on my bad teams arc anymore

[tacit bluff]

this be lookin like a balance core I assume

[tepid hazel]

yes

It’s an attempt at latios hazardstack, cos it’s a great mon and it has hella potential

[tacit bluff]

not sure if I like flip turn on it tho

cause lowk the only setup being sinis is iffy

[tepid hazel]

I see

[tacit bluff]

latios likes to run cm aswell cause it puts pressure on opposing bulky teams

[tepid hazel]

alright

any other suggestions?

[tacit bluff]

hmmm

[tepid hazel]

Oh I want to be tera dark gking for freeze dry specs kyu

[tacit bluff]

ngl idk how I feel about meow here

tryna think of a potential restructing ngl

cause I feel like

corv over skarm is better for this team

[tepid hazel]

I wanted an offensive knocker and none of the guys in OU really amuse me other than val

[tacit bluff]

and then you can fit a rocker somewhere else

you could lowk run tusk

with rocks and knock

[tepid hazel]

oh for corv gking lu?

[tacit bluff]

yeah those 3 are p awesome

[tepid hazel]

I mean at that point is it worth running boots spam

[tacit bluff]

you don't necessarily need to make it rapid spin

albeit its still not a bad idea

[hot dome]

not a fan of the meow here

[tacit bluff]

yeahhh

[hot dome]

balance breaker mu is rough as well

kyurem feasts here

[tepid hazel]

yeah I do lose to dd kyu

[hot dome]

with corv everywhere you really need a mon that can actually do something into it

and not a knocker that blanks into it

[tacit bluff]

^^

thats meows issue lowk

[tepid hazel]

so should I go mixed tbolt val?

[tacit bluff]

val is a good shout tbh

cause it can pressure kyurem

[tepid hazel]

do I drop encore for tbolt

[tacit bluff]

and gives you some nice role compression

ye

encore is for the setup sets

[tepid hazel]

alright

[tepid hazel]

that’s so weird that it’s on the smogon mixed set

[tacit bluff]

I mean its an option

its just usually to gain setup opportunities

if you want tbolt for corv tho I'd go for it

[tepid hazel]

alright

ok so

[tacit bluff]

and then its like

[tepid hazel]

now I need a rocker

[tacit bluff]

you still want a rocker yeah

[tepid hazel]

wigglytuff…

[tacit bluff]

😭

I was gonna say to replace sinis but actually nah

[tepid hazel]

what about garg?

[tacit bluff]

you wanna keep a spinblocker

[tepid hazel]

I need a ghost

[tacit bluff]

garg is good

I'm just wondering where garg would go

[tepid hazel]

Over skarm

[tacit bluff]

ye thats what I'm thinking

no corv then

but thats fine

[tepid hazel]

I could tera flying garg and have corviknight but better

[tacit bluff]

tbh corv is nice because it can exert a lot of pressure with salt cure

[tepid hazel]

garg?

[tacit bluff]

sorry

garg

its 12am lol

[tepid hazel]

lol it’s chill

[tacit bluff]

yeah I think garg goes p good here

helps pressure kyurem asw

[tepid hazel]

so yeah I might just run tera fly and have him hog tera for eternity

[tacit bluff]

sinis then keeps your pon mu mostly fine

nah not tera fly

[tepid hazel]

her*

[tacit bluff]

the grounds already hate this team

[tepid hazel]

tera steel?

[tacit bluff]

you could go fairy

or even ghost

[tepid hazel]

ghost!!

[tacit bluff]

cause thanks to purifying salt you're not weak to ghost

[tepid hazel]

only having a dark weakness god damn

[tacit bluff]

it also lets you eat turn zama into food

[tepid hazel]

wait

[tacit bluff]

cause its crunches ain't doin shit

[tepid hazel]

could ting work as an absorber?

[tacit bluff]

for what

[tepid hazel]

If not I need an absorber

[tacit bluff]

knock?

[tepid hazel]

Yes

[tacit bluff]

I mean in a pinch ig

[tepid hazel]

hmmm

[tacit bluff]

I was thinking gliscor could be an option instead

of garg

but that changes a few mus

oh wait wait

you'll have mixed valiant right

[tepid hazel]

yes

knock tbolt cc moonblast

[tacit bluff]

yeah that absorbs knock

[tepid hazel]

okay

booster speed right

[tacit bluff]

ye

[tepid hazel]

alright

[tacit bluff]

aside from that this looks fine

kyurem kinda scary but you can play around it with salt cure from garg

and val outspeeding it even after a boost

[potent canyon]

https://pokepast.es/ec94bd9c9ee82fd0 can yall help me build a good dragapult not sure what too run

[hot dome]

we dont rate incomplete teams

[potent canyon]

https://pokepast.es/3677ef20dbe60473

[low phoenix]

not the biggest fan of dragon spam this gen when iron valiant exists

[magic walrus]

Fairy types: ^^

Doesn’t Val 5-0 this team?

[low phoenix]

yea pretty much

[potent canyon]

so add a fairy type?

and who should i replace? dragapult?

[low phoenix]

first i gotta know what kind of team you wanna make

cuz this team looks all over the place

[potent canyon]

bulky hyper offense one shot tanks

[elder knoll]

so bulky offense

or hyper offense

[potent canyon]

whats the difference

honestly

[elder knoll]

bulky offense is bulky

hyper offense sweep or die

[potent canyon]

is there a way to sweep and bulk?

[low phoenix]

dragonite

[elder knoll]

veil

[low phoenix]

#comp-general message

fyi

[tacit bluff]

Zamazenta is right there 💔

[magic walrus]

ID zama?

[tacit bluff]

ye

[wide girder]

Hello, I would like to be able to improve my team to try to make this Kommo-o set strong. https://pokepast.es/8b7322e4c5e4ded9

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

5/6 of these pokemon are not in ou, and 3/6 of them are not ou viable (with the other 2 being of questionable quality)

i would recommend using a sampe team to learn the meta first and understand viable picks

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/b21c3f21c65cd5f2

[low phoenix]

i recommend changing dragapult to boots zamazenta for a more reliable kingambit answer on your team

[low phoenix]

Id also try ting Lu over garg and calm mind clef over kingambit (my personal preference)

[arctic frigate]

Id give it a shot

Sorry for spamminf so many teams here haha i wanna get good at building

[low phoenix]

its ok were here to help anytime

[arctic frigate]

boots as in boots attacker or just shove boots on the ironpress set

[low phoenix]

Boots all out attacker

[arctic frigate]

this can NOT break corv

he is litterally shitting on me

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/d189bb6abfa67bbd

try this

you can try different tera types if you want

[arctic frigate]

ty

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/1029ce6c267389cd stall team that im worried is outdated, can i have some feedback?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

Not an expert on stall but seems pretty standard

Maybe give gliscor max def

[elder knoll]

Standard stall is double removal nowadays but I would change this by:

Corv:
0 speed EVs -> 120 or 196 speed EVs
Brave bird -> Body Press
Protect -> Iron defense

Gliscor:
Tera ground -> Tera steel

Toxapex:
Toxapex -> Amoongus

Dondozo:
Body press -> Curse

[stone sierra]

whats the current amoongus setup?

[elder knoll]

Amoonguss @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 SpD
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Foul Play
• Toxic
• Synthesis
• Clear Smog

[stone sierra]

ty

[elder knoll]

physdef Scor also isn’t a bad idea here

Since you have clod

[stone sierra]

Scor?

[elder knoll]

Gliscor

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/cc3667c570e0977a updated it

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/2650cc297461e25c i think i cooked with this one

[twilit spindle]

hey all, returning to ou after a very long time not playing, and made this https://pokepast.es/6b5f8f2ab5a7e993 but unsure ab scizor. felt like i needed priority and removal but hes definitely... shaky

[plain laurel]

https://pokepast.es/c973da5f3c145c73

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/fc19a0d64b1c9c9c made a balanced team, any glaring weaknesses?

[hot dome]

most of these sets/picks don't work unfortunately
Blissey is too pasive for anything but stall teams, AV lando is unviable, that kyurem set for specs is unviable, boots zama with idbp doesn't work, and split gliscor evs doesn't work

You seem new to the tier, so I would recommend using a sample team to learn the tier first, before building your own teams

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/4b02e6ef88c1b018 is this better?

[hot dome]

Most of my advice from the previous rate still applies, please listen to the advice above

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/5796831cb04695e1
before you ask ogerpon is here cos it has more bulk than meow, I could go max HP but idk

[nocturne sable]

What does this team do into gambit

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/24c61ba9e36cba4e been tuning this team a lot, specs kyurem feels disgustingly good. I think i fixed the lando set?

[low phoenix]

Just use the specs Kyu sample team

[stone sierra]

the 3 year old team?

[elder knoll]

Specs Kyu needs a lot of removal support

bro gets eaten by hazards

[hot dome]

idk where you got its 3 years old but max it slike 10 weeks old since its from spl, and yes just use that team because frankly your team still has a lot of issues and you've been told twice to use samples
https://pokepast.es/08eca5b0c815550b

[viscid mist]

new version of a team i already sent here
https://pokepast.es/687bf24762ab3c72

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

What is specs Thundurus for?

[viscid mist]

volt switch hits everything so hard and ice tera blast sometimes gets a surprise ko but yeah it's dubious

[viscid mist]

i mean ice tera blast gets ko's on the pokémon it lures in

[low phoenix]

you can try ting lu if youre having trouble with volt switch users

[elder knoll]

this team kinda looks rough into scarf/band Tera ice Lando

or anything with ice/ground attacks

[viscid mist]

no i'm saying that specs thundurus' volt switch hits everything so hard

but also, he has volt absorb so that's true

[viscid mist]

what would be good against this then?

[elder knoll]

I would try:
Corv > Lando
Lu > Tusk

It gives you a more solid defensive backbone asw

Maybe a experiment with a Glowking

to use future sight to bait in Lu so you can click Tera blast ice into it if you need more bulk

[viscid mist]

yeah makes sense

[viscid mist]

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/7bb467a2087ed302 i think the best ive made so far

[low phoenix]

you may want to change pecharunt to gholdengo since you already have a bulky poison in gking

unless you wanna use pecharunt as your blocker but ive been liking gholdengo these days as corviknight has been rising in popularity lately

[elder knoll]

yeah Corv double removal is really popular

[arctic frigate]

If so i litterally have nothing that can handle tusk or any physical threat for that matter

[low phoenix]

you can make glowking molt then

still maintain the fairy resist

threaten contact attackers with flame body

[vagrant lake]

https://pokepast.es/3dd1a07e1a092c7f
Gen 9 OU. Started with the funny bug and worked from there.

[fervent sluice]

Wow. Sand is like. A million x better than rain.

[elder knoll]

You don’t have enough H-control

to be running two hazard weak guys without boots

[stone sierra]

ogerpon wellspring 🥀

[fervent sluice]

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain - OgerponW in sv ou

Grass water physical coverage is just nutty

[low phoenix]

Sand and rain aren’t that great in gen9ou fyi

Tyranitar is a fraud sadly in a ground and fighting dominated meta

[stone sierra]

Also

Ogerpon

[low phoenix]

wdym

[stone sierra]

Both of its stabs kill ttar

[fervent sluice]

they both hold their own but yes that probably explains why half of my tera are ghost, flying or grass lol

zamazenta is so punishing tho, it always comes in on ttar

[tacit bluff]

Ttar just isn't good rn

And the dynamic duo of exca and ttar don't cover for each other well at all in this meta

They both lose to very common threats like Ogerpon zamazenta, corviknight gliscor and landorus

[thorn ingot]

https://pokepast.es/6f4610b5d21746c2
Gen 9 OU
Built the team around Gholdengo, with it being the lead. Safe switches into Corv, Ting or Ceru when threatened. Meowscarada as wallbreaker.
Mostly made this for fun so I'd have immmunity switches for most things but want to see if it could be made more viable.
Currently stuck around 1500
Thx in advance : )

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Urmmm well

Some weird synergies are going on here and some frankly not excellent picks for mons

Gholdengo is fine but idk if I'd lead with it? Ig it's a good anti HO lead with trick but you usually wanna save that for a defensive piece on balance teams since that nets you a lot more long term progress then just hehe choice locking the lead into it's hazards

Plus it's great speed control in its own right

And then the remaining 5 mons don't really work too well together

Ting lu and corv form a balance core and then you have ceruledge av azu for some reason and meow as a fwg core and a frankly not very strong one

[thorn ingot]

Yeah I hear you. Would you just suggest I scrap the team and start fresh? Or are there adjustments I could make?

[tacit bluff]

I mean I'd moreso just decide what team style you're going for because this is balance but then there's also some really frail attackers

[thorn ingot]

I don't tend to trick with Ghold, unless it's against stall

[tacit bluff]

Trick is a very nice tool into pokemon like ting lu or clefable

Or even pecharunt

Which aren't necessarily exclusive to stall

[thorn ingot]

Yeah, that makes sense. Just beefy mons is what I think I was trying to get at

[thorn ingot]

Do you think it's worth tweaking or just start from scratch?

[tacit bluff]

I'd start from scratch honestly cause I'm not too sure what direction you wanna go in

Plus azu without belly drum or some kind of boost is a super fraud

Like those 3 mons are your firepower and they all get slowed down very easily by a handful of common walls

[thorn ingot]

Azu can still OHKO most threats surprisingly, but yeah I get you. It's a shame but I guess I'll start over then.
If I do decide to build around Gholdedngo what are some good partners to pair it with? Just to get me started.

[tacit bluff]

Well you actually have a nice start with gholdengo and ting lu

Dragonite rounds out that core typically as a third

The 3 together have great defensive synergy as no single type can hit all 3 even neutrally

They can form the start of a strong bulky offence core with ting lu as a hazard setting wall and disruptor gholdengo as a spinblocker and sweeper, cleaner or fellow disruptor with hazards and dragonite would serve as a primary win con

Pair them with a few pivots and perhaps a good breaker and you should be good to go

[thorn ingot]

Yeah that sounds really good! So I'll fill out the other 3 spaces with 2 more tanky mons (maybe Alomomola and Moltres?) and then 1 setup sweeper?

[tacit bluff]

Dragonite typically is your setup sweeper but a second couldn't hurt

[thorn ingot]

ahh, yeah. breaker instead of the setup sweeper. Pivot wise Alom and Moltres should be ok?

[tacit bluff]

Alolomola is great if you choose to forgo roost on dragonite and I think moltres is a good shout

[thorn ingot]

Ok. Thanks so much!

I'll get to building then

[tacit bluff]

Anytime

You wanna pack something to help slow down Ogerpon btw

Specs kyurem could work as it threatens it immensely with freeze dry

Turning an otherwise neutral ice attack into a 4x super effective move

You'd wanna get kyurem in safely however which with pivots you can do

Although with specs kyurem you may want hazard control

[thorn ingot]

Yeah I've just realised I've got no rapid spin/defogger

[tacit bluff]

Actually not may, you need hazard control so cinderace is a valuable option, if you don't really feel like fitting that, boots is fine

You would be leaning pretty heavy into the bootspam archetype here

[thorn ingot]

Yeah. I'll have another look then if I'm struggling I may ask again. Thanks again for the help!

[tacit bluff]

Anytime!

[thorn ingot]

For breaker what would you suggest out of W-oger, Rillaboom, Meowscarada? Or would you say something else?
(Here's the team so far for reference: https://pokepast.es/3abb7f7be8fc8f48)

Boot spam seems to be the way the cards have fallen.
Could Kingambit work as my last mon? Or would one of my other suggestions work better?

[misty basin]

Balance?

[stone sierra]

I think you’d want a wall breaker no?

Specs kyerum is nuts

[woeful hearth]

I had some success with this blaziken team, any changes or suggestions: https://pokepast.es/b4cb96c2d552ac38

[nocturne sable]

What does this blaziken exactly do on this team just curious

Also Ninetales>>Torkoal it gives you healing wish+encore

[misty basin]

Elaborate on the 16 HP EVs on Blaziken and Wake

[tacit bluff]

booster speed

[misty basin]

On wake that's fair what about ken

[tacit bluff]

blaziken idk

[misty basin]

,

[tacit bluff]

blaziken set is ass anyway

highkey

u turn is negative syngery with blaziken's best trait

[misty basin]

Yeah like
Why U-turn this isn't SS
Why not max attack max speed Jolly
Why not Leftovers/Life Orb instead of Charcoal

[thorn ingot]

Yeah, Kyurem seems like a good idea, but then I kinda need hazard control don't I?

[thorn ingot]

https://pokepast.es/9b89b7bc5fc4330f (with Kyurem)

Also, with my Ting Lu, I'm running EQ, Ruination, Whirlwind and S Rocks. Should I swap something for Spikes?

[stone sierra]

Ig, in my experience kyerum is such a nuke that hazards don’t bother me too much despite him being weak to rocks

[thorn ingot]

ok, thank! I'll stick with this for now then

[nocturne sable]

You might want to consider that mola basically gives waterpon a free switch in

[thorn ingot]

hmm, that's true. What would you suggest then?

[nocturne sable]

You can run acro+tickle Tera flying Mola

[thorn ingot]

I've never seen that set ever lol. What 2 moves would you drop for it?

[nocturne sable]

Protect and scald

[thorn ingot]

I'll give it a go and see how it does. Thanks for the recommendation!

[nocturne sable]

You can also run items like red card if you want that doubled acro power

But then hazard can kinda become a problem since you don’t really have a knock absorber outside of Mola or any removal at all

Drop Moltres>corviknight

[vagrant lake]

Who would you suggest adding/dropping, then?

[woeful hearth]

Yeah I only picked him because he cool anyways does this team look better? https://pokepast.es/a9d02f642b2038a3

[thorn ingot]

Yeah that works. And I can add defog onto Corv so that solves that too. Thanks again.

[tacit bluff]

Actually yeah it does look much better, this is a relatively standard sun offence team

I think I'd make raging bolt heavy duty boots?

And maybe make tusk bulk up since you'd want another sweeper

Alternatively you could make raging bolt a calm mind sweeper

And then leave tusk as the utility set with rocks n stuff

Actually yeah the latter I think I prefer that

Since it leaves you with both a physical and special sweeper

[low phoenix]

specs kyurem is rough without hazard control

can you tell me what mon you are trying to build around before i make any recommendations?

[woeful hearth]

Alright thanks

[round portal]

https://pokepast.es/aff74201307c8dae iron boulder psyterrain?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

No ❤️

[round portal]

it works i swear

[low phoenix]

hey i think i vs you before

[round portal]

:O

[low phoenix]

sadly i cant comment on it as psy terrain is not very good in gen9ou

[round portal]

ya :(

still fun archetype

[low phoenix]

yea you can use it for sure

[round portal]

what were u using

[low phoenix]

i forgot

hazard stack i think

did you fight someone named SunStar090 or Tankman123

[round portal]

uhh i dont remember haha

i was flan727

[low phoenix]

yea the main appeal of psy terrain is mainly gimmick cheese in gen9

[round portal]

tried to add cinderace and boulder to fight dark spam

[low phoenix]

so its not guaranteed that the opponent will prepare for it

you can try swords dance cinderace

[round portal]

ooh

[low phoenix]

gimmicky af set but psyterrain is gimmicky anyways so might as well go for it

[round portal]

with blaze instead right?

[low phoenix]

can be either

[round portal]

polteageist needs fighting or fairy coverage ;-;

[low phoenix]

tera blast

[round portal]

just give this guy more than 2 good coverage 😭

[round portal]

i wanna use tera ice blast on boulder ngl but polteageist is an insane tera hog

[low phoenix]

thats why poltegeist isnt ou lmao

[round portal]

ye :(

so close tho

[low phoenix]

you must tera or you die to ting lu

which is very common in this meta

[round portal]

+2 tblast does so little to tinglu its kinda crazy

[low phoenix]

another reason why psyterrain is gimmicky

[elder knoll]

oh god

not another psyspam guy

we don’t need Pineco jr

[low phoenix]

who is pineco jr

[round portal]

somehow managed to push to the 1900s with it tho

[elder knoll]

pinecoishot

notorious psyspam spammer

[round portal]

kept it for a total of 2 days 🔥

[round portal]

:O

[thorn ingot]

Gholdengo. The here was the original team before I changed it with the recommendations: https://pokepast.es/6f4610b5d21746c2

[elder knoll]

so uh…

did I cook?

https://pokepast.es/92d76cd058fd7759

[elder knoll]

you probably want a second removal option

Corv isn’t reliable on their own cause of Ghold

Also your stall matchup is kinda cooked ngl

[low phoenix]

Ok idk what ceruledge and azumarill are doing

You have a Corv Lu Ghold meow balance core but with cerulede and azumarill thrown in for no reason

[nocturne sable]

If you want to use a bulky water fairy type you’re better off with primarina than azumarill

[stone sierra]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2348623165 idk why i slept on the team for so long this is stupid fun

ting lu soloing entire teams will never not be funny to me

[tepid hazel]

Twater clef

[low phoenix]

+2 5 supreme overlord kowtow cleave

[tepid hazel]

Yeah that’s true

[stone sierra]

My logic for gambit is don’t run gambit counters

Just win the 50/50s

[low phoenix]

Huh

Just use zama

Or great tusk

[arctic frigate]

or my beloved low kick weavile 😍

[tepid hazel]

Omaigod what a cutie

[nocturne sable]

That team you posted gets 5-0ed by basically all the top tier dark types in OU

[tepid hazel]

What if I add zama

It’s good for darkrai and gambit

Oh and weavile too

https://pokepast.es/fd8599b82c57460d optimized EVs

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

Noooooo I’m sorry

I just wanted to post my EVs

How is the team now tho

[nocturne sable]

No hazard control

Why run Pon & Heatran??

You’re wasting like 3 slots on this team

[tepid hazel]

It’s hazardstack boots spam
heatran is for rocks, ogerpon is for knock off. I specifically wanted ogerpon because it has a little more bulk than Meowscarada and a better typing, although I can swap it

[tepid hazel]

Which ones?

[nocturne sable]

Sini can maybe work as a spin blocker mainly just Heatran & Ogerpon it really doesn’t do anything useful for your team

There are better knockers and hazard setters

[tepid hazel]

TCHA was one of my wasted slots??????

Ok anyways

Should ogerpon be swapped out for weavile

And heatran, for clefable?

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/08eca5b0c815550b been using this team

[low phoenix]

corviknight

body press

[tepid hazel]

Wait bro ur not even a comp helper

no wonder u were saying sinistcha was a wasted slot LOL

[low phoenix]

non raters can also give advice as long as it is sound

the only difference is the label

[tepid hazel]

I was told that on my hazardstack team

Sinistcha was one of the wasted slots

[low phoenix]

who said that

sinistcha is a great spinblocker

you consistently dunk on non attack boosted great tusk

[elder knoll]

Tera ice tusk also beats it

[nocturne sable]

I didn’t say sini was exactly a wasted slot

I said it can work

[elder knoll]

reading is hard

[nocturne sable]

True

[low phoenix]

yea but

tusk technically beats all the spinblockers one way or another

[elder knoll]

🤔 idt it beats Tera ghost guys

unless you’re running something unholy like booster attack Tera dark

[night crypt]

https://pokepast.es/9af50d63d6e03c83

I have some replays

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2348590442

Mb not rilla in this one

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2348676110

Yes here

[low phoenix]

Not a fan of choiced serp especially with Corviknight Dragonit moltres pecharunt all being very popular rn

Also webs is a very commit heavy play style you should commit fully to webs or grassy terrain

[night crypt]

I use it with Tera fire

To resist this threats

And keep snowball

[stone sierra]

Do you have a pokepaste for hazard stack?

[stone sierra]

Moltres and dragonite both don’t care

[night crypt]

Dragonite IS my only threat

But moltres IS ez

Ngl

If im in x2

I solo moltres with Tera fire

I always suicide my gholdengo orbrillaboom to get this free x2

And then IS 800 sp attack on leaf storm

And in grassy terrain 169...

[night crypt]

See corvknight that IS a 1/4 grass

[low phoenix]

Dragons

And Tera hog

[night crypt]

On my 2 replay

[night crypt]

Hog?

[low phoenix]

Disproportionate user of Tera

[night crypt]

IS better dragón right?

For coverage

[low phoenix]

The best example is skeledirge

[elder knoll]

they click

roar on molt

yay specs serp is useless

[night crypt]

Nop

I kill many moltres with serp

My only big threat IS dragonite

[low phoenix]

You should also have air balloon Ghold