#SV OU Rates

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azure vigil
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i mean, i guess it wouldn't hurt to try it

regal ginkgoBOT
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azure vigil
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oh shoot sorry i didn't mean to ping everyone

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balls

tacit bluff
azure vigil
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ugh ur right

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man

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meow rips this apart too

tacit bluff
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scizor ain't saving you at all

alpine furnace
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Well doesnt ogerpon beat zap too

tacit bluff
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and if its knock nor is sinis

azure vigil
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yeah

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ugh

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this sucks..

tacit bluff
azure vigil
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sorry not u guys

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just this tier

alpine furnace
azure vigil
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theres 50 bazillion stupid threats to account for

alpine furnace
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Its still a problem

tacit bluff
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you can't proc static anyway with cudgel

azure vigil
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feels impossible to build something good

tacit bluff
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cudgel doesn't make contact

alpine furnace
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God why is ogerpon w in ou

tacit bluff
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but zap+sinis was generally gonna handle most pon

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now its kinda all on sinis

alpine furnace
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Yeah

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Fudge

tacit bluff
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lowk don't love tusk here now that I think about it

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corv helps cover for both kyurem and ogerpon

azure vigil
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yeah but

tacit bluff
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if not tusk then smth else

azure vigil
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idk defog on a spikes stack

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sounds really

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idk

tacit bluff
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it doesn't need to be defog corv tbf

azure vigil
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and then that still makes

alpine furnace
azure vigil
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hazard spam a problem

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ugh

low phoenix
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Testing a team with h goodra right now

azure vigil
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oh cool

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looks neat

low phoenix
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Don’t love the ghost matchup but looks fine otherwise

azure vigil
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goodra can atleast deal with

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non recover dengo

alpine furnace
# azure vigil hazard spam a problem

I mean hazard spam without hazard removal is fine just make sure you get your stuff down before they do. Also maybe taunt could help but you dont outspeed tusk or H samm so maybe not.

tacit bluff
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skarmory

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over samurott

azure vigil
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hm

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actually

alpine furnace
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I havent seen skarm in so long I forgot it was in gen 9

azure vigil
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that's

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not a bad idea

tacit bluff
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or corv over samu then gliscor over garg if you're willing to stack double grounds

alpine furnace
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But with skarm over H sam, is scizor needed still

tacit bluff
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corv is the better mon than skarm

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but skarm does provide the role compression

tacit bluff
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if it is tera fire you have outs

alpine furnace
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It takes both out if to tera fires

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Doesnt it?

tacit bluff
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yes but then primarina bodies

alpine furnace
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O we put prim in there?

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Thought we didnt, ight i see

tacit bluff
alpine furnace
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Damn thats 3 checks for 1 mon

tacit bluff
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kyurem doesn't have 1 dedicated answer

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more of a few mons here and there that can beat it depending on the set

alpine furnace
azure vigil
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i know i said i didn't wanna make the team 1:1 the finch version BUT

tacit bluff
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I personally think its still broken and deserves a ban

azure vigil
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pult over matcha now that i have skarm

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doesn't seem bad

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pult + skarm should handle ogerpon

tacit bluff
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I do like matcha here tbh

azure vigil
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yeah same

tacit bluff
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but pult isn't bad either

alpine furnace
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Knock will do a lot more to pult

tacit bluff
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true but you do outspeed at least

alpine furnace
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But boots pult helps with wisp and hex shinanegans.

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Hmmm

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Since we are using glisc

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And corv I think

azure vigil
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av prim or cm prim?

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i kinda like cm here but

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clod could get annoying

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i could just do cm torrent psy noise 3a

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that's also a possibilty

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i think ill try that

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but considering it's hazard spam boots might be the play

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this looks ok

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only problem is

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opposing zapdos

alpine furnace
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Hmmm wondering if pecharunt > sinistcha would work well here cuz they both cuck ogerpon. Pecharunt makes going into primarina easier too with parting shot pivots. But in the other hand sinistcha strength sap and matchagatcha is also pretty cool.

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Nah

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Prim might become a problem with pecha > sinistcha

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Forgot about that

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Also can zap do much to garg?

azure vigil
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well not much but

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volt switch pivoting

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will always be aids

alpine furnace
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I mean yeah but they pivt straight into salt cure

azure vigil
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and plus since this teams ground is tusk a lot of zaps can freely click volt on the garg switchin

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since the burden of pressure is on the tusk

foggy girder
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is double helmet necessary

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i feel like lefties on tusk can offset salt cure somewhat

azure vigil
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no i can make it boots on one of them

foggy girder
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still a bad matchup though

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boots also works

azure vigil
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oh yeah opposing salt cure i didn't think of that

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i can make glisc > skarm

foggy girder
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also no knock off means your spikes arent going to be doing that much

azure vigil
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double ground

foggy girder
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either add knock or get rid of skarmory tbh

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corviknight is almost always better unless you really want spikes

azure vigil
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i'd really like the spikes but i dropped skarm for glisc

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i just need extra ogerpon insurance

foggy girder
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trye

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true

azure vigil
foggy girder
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ogerpon is kinda strong

alpine furnace
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Actually

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Deagapult kinda helps into Kyurem too

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Knock > toxic I'd say

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@azure vigil wanna test it on a hazard stack team I got?

azure vigil
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uh yeah sure it's chip witley

narrow crest
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maybe psyshock on dengo but idk

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also struggles with dnite

wintry walrus
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Moon just got banned i think

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Unless its april fools

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foggy girder
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not april fools, the thing had to go

wintry walrus
alpine furnace
wintry walrus
azure vigil
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Kyurem

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Easily

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Ogerpon is close tho

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Kyurem has so many sets and so many Teras

alpine furnace
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Ogerpon for me honestly

azure vigil
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Dnite is fine imo

alpine furnace
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Ivy cudgel is just so incredibly stupid

azure vigil
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It’s aids but not broken

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Both Oger and kyurem are so wack you could be justified putting either over the other

alpine furnace
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Eh I'd say it's broken. Corv would be a consistent counter but then it loses to a 1/8 crit

azure vigil
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I’m talking about dnite not Oger

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For that line

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Sorry should have clarified

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Dnite Idt is broken

alpine furnace
azure vigil
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In fact dnite I think it’s important

alpine furnace
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Its not that annoying, I think its exactly where it shoulf be.

tacit bluff
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Not the channel for this

azure vigil
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Sorry

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Anyway I think I found a lineup I like for this team

alpine furnace
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Which team?

azure vigil
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I don’t have a paste cuz I’m on my phone but

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The Garg

alpine furnace
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Do you understand how little that narrows it down

azure vigil
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It’s basically the finch team but with matcha > pult and raging bolt > gliscor

alpine furnace
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The one we were just talking on?

azure vigil
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Ye

alpine furnace
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Hmmm ight what does bolt add?

azure vigil
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Still has that Anti Ho qualities of Sciz while also checking Zapdos crown waterpon

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Volt switch pivoting is doable too

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If I make it boots

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Tink has sciz’s steel type and knock while helping checking darkrai kyurem and prim

alpine furnace
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Pivot Pult + pivot bolt sounds cool for a volt turn core

azure vigil
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I have matcha over pult for this one

alpine furnace
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Might try to make somethin with that, and I know I was just sayin

azure vigil
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Helps vs Garg and prim

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Oh

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Sorry yeah

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I think that’s decent

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Worth trying

crude shuttle
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Yall struggling with kyurem and dragonite?

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Just use bronzong.

wintry walrus
azure vigil
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There is a bronzong stall I think

wintry walrus
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Id argue dnight more so than either the two

alpine furnace
wintry walrus
azure vigil
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It’s ok

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Anyway yeah I think I’ve

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Got this to where it’s reasonable

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I hate that it’s kinda just a swip swapped version of finch’s but

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It’s ok

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It is what it is

alpine furnace
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2 mons can still make a lot of difference

azure vigil
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I took a lot of time thinkin about it

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I tried hard to cling to scizor and I do think sciz is good

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But I think I just wanted too much to fit Sciz in

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If I was to do this over again I would probably ditch the spike stacking thing

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That’s the inherent flaw with this team I think

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It’s trying too hard to force spike stacking

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Spike stacking is good don’t get me wrong but

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I was too unwilling to compromise

wintry walrus
alpine furnace
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Thoughts

woeful hearth
alpine furnace
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Hmmmm darkai might be redundant because we got zenta and 2 priority mons

digital sonnet
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Idk if there’s any hard replacement for moon

fallow garden
thin vector
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can confirm, rmoon ban not april fools

woeful hearth
alpine furnace
wintry walrus
alpine furnace
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Future sight support also pairs well with kingambit

wintry walrus
alpine furnace
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Mostly to prevent hazards, bolt is not staying in on clod but yes it helps against blissey as well

digital sonnet
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Oh yeah the pivot set that’s considered a standard set in the builder

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For some reason

alpine furnace
wintry walrus
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Also stop king from the chilly pivot

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Taunt bolt sounds kinda fyer

alpine furnace
wintry walrus
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Imagine if he had recovery

digital sonnet
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It’s heat but I’ve never seen anyone use it on ladder

alpine furnace
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Taunt pivot pult with taunt pivot lando with glowking sounds really fun

wintry walrus
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U could probably get away with a bulky taunt set with calm mind

digital sonnet
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Phys def taunt cm bolt >>>>

wintry walrus
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Hear me out. 🤣shell bell with that

alpine furnace
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From there I just threw some sweeping mons I liked, zama + raging bolt beats out ogerpon, zama + glowking helps against kyurem

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I might have been cookin with this

digital sonnet
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Real honestly

wintry walrus
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True well made

digital sonnet
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I think oger is kinda a threat

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Since zama is the only real answer and it’s not id

wintry walrus
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Bolt is as well

digital sonnet
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True

wintry walrus
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But oger,kyurem, dnight are impossible to wall all sets

digital sonnet
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Gotta love it

alpine furnace
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Doesn't need to be ID cuz CC 2hkos. And if it isnt play rough it cant beat bolt thanks to priority. Plus at the very worst kingambit can revenge kill it

wintry walrus
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Yeah its a very nice offensive team

alpine furnace
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Is it offense or closer to BO?

digital sonnet
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I’d say BO

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3 bulky mons

wintry walrus
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Who the physical wall?

digital sonnet
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Prim and lando

wintry walrus
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Lando offensive

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And prima 😅idk if u consider that a def wall

digital sonnet
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Phys def prim can take a hit

wintry walrus
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But like u said

digital sonnet
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It’s not alo but it’s kinda close

wintry walrus
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The team threats would be oger wellspring

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Prima as his physical wall isnt helping

digital sonnet
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Honestly maybe sinistcha could be a switch for prim

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Still phys def calm mind but handles oger better

wintry walrus
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THey using offense to make up for def

wintry walrus
digital sonnet
wintry walrus
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@alpine furnace were u going for balanced? Or it didnt really matter

alpine furnace
alpine furnace
wintry walrus
digital sonnet
wintry walrus
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Bulky offense

wintry walrus
digital sonnet
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196 SpA Tera Ghost Dragapult Hex (130 BP) vs. 244 HP / 228+ SpD Gliscor: 200-236 (56.8 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal

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It’s like 40% min with no tera

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Gliscor is just kinda an evil Mon

wintry walrus
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Yeah the actual toxic mon roaming the meta 😆but gotta love him

woeful hearth
fallow garden
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🔥

woeful hearth
fallow garden
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run a clorophyl mon

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please

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run venu

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ffs

woeful hearth
alpine furnace
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Aubrey

fallow garden
alpine furnace
fallow garden
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why r u asking me

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idk

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it looks “fine”

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volt turn zoomy boomy

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no breaker ig

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taunt bolt is cool for the stall mu

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u can prob force stuff with fsight+za

low phoenix
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bulky cm prim can be this teams breaker

wintry walrus
digital sonnet
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Gale wings cb dual wingbeat could be good into like pult

wintry walrus
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Ouu didnt even think about that!

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🤔lemme go calc that

fallow garden
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talon only fits on stall with defensive fog sets

wintry walrus
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😩brave bird can kill pult without hp investment but only 6.3% with jolly. Adamant flame its 65%

wintry walrus
fallow garden
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shuka weez is also kinda bad

regal ginkgoBOT
fallow garden
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i’d recommend taking a look at samples, vr, and smog dex sets

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before building

wintry walrus
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Bet thank you

fallow garden
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ofc

clever rover
regal ginkgoBOT
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clever rover
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Electric has been working out better than fire for me for some reason, since it also hits primarina and waters ig

trail whale
clever rover
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Damm I didn’t notice

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Strangely enough pult hasn’t been causing me much problems since it always gets baited by a Tera or something, but yeah

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Should I replace Dragonite or something else?

silver river
clever rover
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At the same time this Dragonite set 6-0ed so many team comps I feel like it’s really good

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Hold on we got color roles just now???

clever rover
silver river
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A small change, yes

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It's been good tho

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If it hits

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💀

low phoenix
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why thunder on darkrai

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you dont have stab so you do less damage than you would like

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also 70% accuracy really hurts

silver river
low phoenix
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who are you trying to hit though

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also just sounds like a tera hog

silver river
silver river
low phoenix
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You don’t have any grounds or hazards

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Switch darkrai to standard nasty plot

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Corviknight to landorus t

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Mola to pecharunt

silver river
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Raging bolt is falling off, I don't think i would need ground types for any other mon besides that.
Darkrai is the teams speed control, it's supposed to beat faster mons like val pult and scarf mons. Trick into stall is also nice.
Need corv for defog, it's the dedicated hazard remover that my team would otherwise not have. Also a pretty decent slow pivot. I should replace helmet with leftovers tho.
Alo.....is just there bc i thought a wish passer would be nice, and a decent burn spreader w scald and another slow pivot. But i can definitely try pech instead and see if i like it more.

magic walrus
alpine furnace
silver river
tawny olive
regal ginkgoBOT
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tawny olive
fallow garden
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ts looks OLD

crude shuttle
supple yew
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I really like how infernape can possibly break through walls like alo and garg using close combat + grass knot

fallow garden
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ape isn’t rlly good rn

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neither is gengar

supple yew
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yeah thats true, but it can score a couple of KOs pretty well if I position it right

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and then for gengar i was looking for a fast grounded poison type, but he was my only option lol

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obv an easy fix is to just replace ape w/ zama, and then replace gengar w/ pech but I wanted to see if ape could work

fallow garden
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he

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ye*

alpine furnace
crude shuttle
alpine furnace
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Draco or tera would probably be better, cm isnt really used on pivots.

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Taunt also helps against mons like blissey. Yeah we have primarina but having taunt and the electric stab ensures blissey cant get a free heal. But maybe more power would be better for a team like mind.

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It also prevents opposing slowkings from just swapping out

wintry walrus
alpine furnace
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Waaaaiit

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Weatherball

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For ice coverage with glowking

narrow crest
fallow garden
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psy is better

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your stall mu looks ass

narrow crest
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had a feeling abt that

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how can i fix that?

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gambit?

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maybe restochesto zama too?

fallow garden
narrow crest
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now im not sure if zama works here tbh

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doesnt do well into hardstall

fallow garden
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ye

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thund being hard walled by clod is

narrow crest
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i mean i have psyshock dengo

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and adamant oger

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also maybe lum plus tera ghost on gambit might be better?

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and maybe tusk over zama

crude shuttle
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Can someone rate my team yet? Or is it perfect >:D

fallow garden
fallow garden
fallow garden
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joking

fallow garden
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all the sets but molt are horrible

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please use smog dex

alpine furnace
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Hmmm should I run weather with glowking on my pivot raging bolt to screw over lando.

fallow garden
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no

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i mean

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u can ig

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but like

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just draco it

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wb is better for Scor

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and lu

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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also there are bigger issues

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sobbing

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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and webs can run no rocks

fallow garden
alpine furnace
fallow garden
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you said it’s bad

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and it’s not

alpine furnace
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I meant the set might not be very good, not that rapid spin is bad on bulk tusk.

fallow garden
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the set is standard

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._.

alpine furnace
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Then thats mb, again I've seen it like once

fallow garden
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it’s fine to not know stuff

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then dont say things about it

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that’s like if i talked about rockets

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when i have seen the moon landing once

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sorry that’s a bit harsh

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but still

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preface that your not partially experienced

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but ye

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sd tink is bad

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zama should never be that slow

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av isn’t really good

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molt doesn’t belong on webs

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that rilla set is horrid

regal ginkgoBOT
fallow garden
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i would suggest looking at vr, samples, and smog dex

tacit bluff
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It's incredible how many things you think you should ohko and end up not with an attack stat of 75

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You also super lose to Lando

fallow garden
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nocturne

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do u like gsc

tacit bluff
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I've played it a few times

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I liek thief misdreavus

fallow garden
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ic

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good awnser

tacit bluff
# alpine furnace I...don't know, I've seen it like once

Also yeah for future reference if you're not certain about something best not to be so absolute with it (this never works or this is always the set) but yeah rapid spin bulk up tusk is not only valid but incredibly potent giving tusk not only hazard control for more offensive teams but on non booster tusk giving it a way to boost speed is very useful

alpine furnace
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Fair, my bad

woeful hearth
regal ginkgoBOT
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fallow garden
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numerous

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1 dont use abma

woeful hearth
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i could always switch abma with ninetales, i just wanted to tryout Obama

fallow garden
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the tusk evs are kinda weird

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if you are using snow

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that set is as

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s

woeful hearth
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so what could i change to make it not as

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s

woeful hearth
fallow garden
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run light clay

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earth power, blizzard, giga drain, and veiol

woeful hearth
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Would weavile be good or is that too many ice types?

woeful hearth
fallow garden
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id go max spa modest

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on obama

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go headlong rush>eq on tusk

woeful hearth
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Okay tahnk youk

low phoenix
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What are you doing with Obama snow m8

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A ninetails is better basically every time

woeful hearth
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I know i just like abomasnow thats all

fluid talon
fallow garden
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uh

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link is broken

barren ridge
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remove the last character, it resovles to a |

fluid talon
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oh thankus

calm roost
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Is this the chat to ask for a certain fix for my team?

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Idk how to deal with galarian weezing

trail whale
calm roost
silver river
magic walrus
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Could be both but I prefer mold breaker more

analog nexus
regal ginkgoBOT
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tacit bluff
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only finished teams go here btw

analog nexus
tacit bluff
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comp general should be alright

analog nexus
tacit bluff
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yw

fluid talon
fluid talon
trail whale
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As for Iron Moth, Substitute is actually good on HO because it lets Iron Moth take advantage of the switches it forces and better deals with priority revenge killing

alpine furnace
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I've shown this team a lot and its a relatively small ask so I appologize if I'm being annoying. Would weatherball be better or taunt on pivot bolt? Cuz having bolt beam coverage even for a small amount of time seems cool. https://pokepast.es/8d652e33b613b61e

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Or would draco meteor be better

fluid talon
trail whale
alpine furnace
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Yeah, I just never found using taunt to be great since mons that I wanna taunt like lando, tusk, glimmora, all take huge chunks out of raging bolts health plus taunt lando has that covered. I can see why taunt is preferred against opponents like blissey, incoming glowkings, kingambit since it can't ohko, but the idea of screwing over gliscor or lando or tusk that often come in on glowking is pretty cool to me.

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So taunt + weatherball or taunt + dragon pulse are the two choices?

narrow crest
tacit bluff
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The main issue with thundy on webs is that raging bolt exists

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Thundy's niche is that with Tera fairy you turn bolt into fodder

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But otherwise it's a pretty difficult mon to justify

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I will say that this looks fine

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I don't love the iron valiant set and also hazards are a bitch into this squad

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No removal and your mons don't appreciate hazards at all

lusty forge
alpine furnace
tacit bluff
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Ting shrugs it off

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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be so fr 😭

alpine furnace
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I mean...do I need the dragon move? Genuinely, its good stab but electric is already good stab and weatherball hits what electric cant except like steel which dragon cant really hit anyway

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I got prim if I really need something for dragons

fallow garden
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your hail setter in icy rock glowking

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that is so fucking inconsistent

alpine furnace
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Of course again its powerful stab, draco meteor hits really hard but I have wallbreaking power with future sight into zamazenta and primarina. Also it was recommended by the raters.

fallow garden
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you go wb>taunt

alpine furnace
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Choices were dragon pulse + taunt or weather ball + taunt. Decided I wanted to try weatherball

alpine furnace
# fallow garden you go wb>taunt

I did, I showed it again and I was then told that bolt really wants taunt so I used taunt. Im just listening to what one of the raters recommended because I like the idea of weather ball + glowking and I wasn't told its strictly bad.

fallow garden
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ic

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idk

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it seems sus to me

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but

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you can do it

alpine furnace
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Taunt can help too, i mean bliss, and kingambit can no longer set up on raging bolt. It gives me free switches into zamazenta or lando if they try.

fallow garden
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i’m not a rater for a reason x3

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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…

alpine furnace
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Thats not saying im better or worse than you, it was mostly how you responded to the rating initially with "why'd you ask me?". I wasn't trying to rag on you for being bad. Im not very good at battling myself.

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Wait....

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That didnt sound good...

fallow garden
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i responded with why’d you ask me cuz i’m not a rater :<

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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eh

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i am bad

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so dw

alpine furnace
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Also weather ball deals 1/4 to ting lu which is useful chip.

alpine furnace
azure vigil
alpine furnace
azure vigil
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team is supposed to be around SD rockpon and a psyshocker since that messes up stall, and I haven't gotten to try latios yet so i chose him

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seen a few successful lati teams and wanted to try it myself

lusty forge
alpine furnace
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So Zamazenta > H samm

alpine furnace
tacit bluff
azure vigil
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SD rockpon has seen some usage for being an arguably better breaker

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and if you can secure sturdy it can screw some stuff over

alpine furnace
tacit bluff
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P sure pulse is 5

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With only a proto boost

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Weather ball without stab is also 5 iirc

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Ting lu looks at any special attacker and doesn't care

alpine furnace
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Actually it does 30-35%

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Ah proto boost

azure vigil
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i think part of my problem is this dnite set is too tera reliant so im always too afraid to use it as an ogerpon check cuz im always trying to end the game with it

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i figured it was fine since i didn't have any other tera reliant mons but still

tacit bluff
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Anyway I'd check these now but I just got back home and I also have an online meeting so 💔

alpine furnace
tacit bluff
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Oh ur snow

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Didn't see the team lol

alpine furnace
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D pulse does less to ting lu, and weather ball ohko's glisc, lando and has a chance of ohkoing tusk.

tacit bluff
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You do have to hope your snow is up but I suppose it works

narrow crest
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also tera ghost on thundy with taunt allows it to set up on blissey

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and isnt walled as badly by clod

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but makes the pult mu worse

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thinking tera fire bu tusk over val

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and then play rough on oger maybe?

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encore can be funny too

fallow garden
analog nexus
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its supposed to be tera dragon on dragapult

fallow garden
pale mortar
analog nexus
analog nexus
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or should i make a meowscarda team instead?

regal ginkgoBOT
fallow garden
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sample teams, vr, smogdex

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familiarize yourself with the metagame before building

analog nexus
fallow garden
fallow garden
analog nexus
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someone recommended me to do that

fallow garden
analog nexus
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the others are

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those are the 2 that ppl in this discord recommended

pale mortar
fallow garden
regal ginkgoBOT
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fallow garden
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if you want to run blaz i’d run this

pale mortar
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it just that 723 range attack stats with psychic noise looks too juicy

fallow garden
analog nexus
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is it cause of coverage?

fallow garden
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it’s because it can set up with calm mind and encore

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unlike pult

analog nexus
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okay that makes sense, i use encore a lot in my games so i understand it

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thank you

pale mortar
fallow garden
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otherwise it looks chill

pale mortar
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alr

fallow garden
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but that’s somewhat personal preference

analog nexus
fallow garden
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i love boots pult

pale mortar
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i prolly forgot

analog nexus
pale mortar
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to change it then

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but ig it to

fallow garden
pale mortar
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prevent stats drop

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from intimidate

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and also to prevent parting shot

analog nexus
fallow garden
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ye

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you can use infil though

analog nexus
fallow garden
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it’s not strictly worse

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parting shot is a big one

pale mortar
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if the stat drop

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happened

analog nexus
pale mortar
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ye

analog nexus
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thats op i play against alot of perchaunt

pale mortar
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if only pult get poltergeist

fallow garden
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it would get qb

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looooool

pale mortar
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😭

tropic hearth
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bump
I think swapping nite with 3 attack + roar zama fix some of my issues

fallow garden
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and you never responded

tropic hearth
fallow garden
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oh

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i didn’t see it

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oopsies

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nmv ye i didn’t respond

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i don’t love Tusk+Zama

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Scor seems better here

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Roar id zama looks cool

tropic hearth
fallow garden
tropic hearth
fallow garden
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scor

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._.

tropic hearth
fallow garden
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what

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Scor bunny is an lc mon

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Cinderace is the fully evolved forme

tropic hearth
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my bad its like midnight here right now

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lmao

fallow garden
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nws

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i mean Gliscor

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to be clear

tropic hearth
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so should i just bootspam and drop the AV on hoopa or is it fine

fallow garden
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i think your fine you just have to be careful with mola passing wishes if you fight spikes

tropic hearth
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Ok then thx

stiff current
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hot dome
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fallow garden
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if u dont like legendaries

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also

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why did u ping me

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😭

stiff current
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fallow garden
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if so go to #pkmn-general

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they do ing stuff

stiff current
fallow garden
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i don’t do ing stuff

barren ridge
low phoenix
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thus the "no legends" rule is completely pointless as mons like virizion are stuck as low tier shitters while non legendary mons like hamurott and galarian slowking are very good in ou

wooden geode
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wooden geode
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Trying to work on a balance team!

low phoenix
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why kanto slowking over g king?

fallow garden
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up

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also

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no spikes

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and no real wincon

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other then like

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garg?

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ye you can smack stuff around with band zor and pult

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but there’s nothing to really exeuntiate that damage

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or take advantage of the holes your poking

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ig you have fsight

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i get tusk over like lu because garg

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i also kinda see the vision with hex specs pult

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but it should be sball+hex

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drop flame

unkempt bramble
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Trying to make a new spikestack team with av azu

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This is the team i come up with, any way to make it better?

fallow garden
alpine furnace
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Sd glisc looks like its gonna be a problem

fallow garden
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idr love toxic glowking either

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azu is kinda

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bad

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so uh

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keep that in mind

alpine furnace
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No ground immune or resist cant even tera out.

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I genuinely don't know why you dont use prim or raging volt > Azu here.

fallow garden
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you also have negative woger mu

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sd woger starts licking its lips

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why is hamu not boots but ghold is

alpine furnace
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Ye go primarina or bolt for the AV pivot

fallow garden
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you also have no speed control

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av bolt is trolling

alpine furnace
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Or even go AV ham and go CM bolt with thunder clap.

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Cuz a suicide lead

fallow garden
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boots hamu>av hamu

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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suicide lead doesn’t work here at all

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hence me saying boots

alpine furnace
# fallow garden boots hamu>av hamu

Honeslty of they wanna keep the AV then AV prim with HDB samm could work. If not then they can go cm primarina over Azu. Gives them a wall breaker cuz while prim isnt laying immediate damage, heal block prevents walls from outlasting it.

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If we go HDB samm we dont need rapid spin either

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With enough boots, hazards are less of a concern.

fallow garden
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it seems to be the idea

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also again

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woger

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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replace ghold on hstack

alpine furnace
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Pecha + raging bolt should be enough since oger cant stop both

fallow garden
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._.

alpine furnace
fallow garden
alpine furnace
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Pecha beats play rough

fallow garden
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me when both

alpine furnace
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If its both it doesnt run whip and Azu can 1v1 it

fallow garden
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i’m being facetious

alpine furnace
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https://pokepast.es/e86ab4b40f976e75 this is the dark spam. Ghold isn't necessary for hazard stack as long as you have another spin blocker to sub. Which pecharunt does fine since coupled with bolt it beats ogerpon.

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Its a pretty fun team honestly

fallow garden
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this got wildly off topic

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💀

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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boots samu…

alpine furnace
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Boots samm too

unkempt bramble
alpine furnace
fallow garden
unkempt bramble
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Dont i need a rapid spinner?

alpine furnace
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Also pecharunt + glowking + Raging bolt could make a cool pivoting core

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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we love boots…

fallow garden
unkempt bramble
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Gotcha

alpine furnace
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Though

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You'll need a ground immune mon

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Cuz either way half your team is weak to ground

fallow garden
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lando-t…

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also

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boots ghold???

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and sash samu

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not gonna say anything abt that

alpine furnace
fallow garden
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oh

unkempt bramble
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Yeha i'll use pecharunt

fallow garden
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im legit blind

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nmv

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still

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sash samu is not it here bestie

unkempt bramble
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So

  1. Heavy dooty boots samurott
  2. Pecharunt replace gholdengo
  3. Dox raikou replace great tusk?
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Oh btw i remembered

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The reason i use gholdengo is cuz defog

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I wanna avoid defog roo

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*too

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I do want to keep azu, thats the whole reason i made the team

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But yeah what to use for ground immunity..m

alpine furnace
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Entei?

unkempt bramble
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Sorry, raikou

fallow garden
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paradox

alpine furnace
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Raging bolt

unkempt bramble
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Yeah that-

alpine furnace
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Also bolt destroys corv. If you wanna really get rid of any defog possibility, Taunt lando-T works

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If we use lando...

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Do we need Ting lu? If we have azu as the special wall?

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Assuming we're still keeping Azu

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Mmmm another mon that is concerning for this is kyurem

unkempt bramble
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How so?

unkempt bramble
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Stealth rock sorry

alpine furnace
# unkempt bramble Ting lu just walls special attacks anf spreads spikes

If we use lando T as a ground immune rock setting thats covered. And slowking and AV Azu wall special attacks.

Kyurem is a problem due to its access to hit everything for good damage. Glowking hates physical sets and earth power, pecha hates kyurem in general, raging bolt doesn't like it, Azu hates freeze dry, ting lu/lando hates its ice stab too.

unkempt bramble
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I see

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So what do we use for it?

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Iron valiant?

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Or corv?

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Corv can wall kyurem right?

autumn hare
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I tried to build around Ogerpon teal mask

unkempt bramble
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Why am i performing worse???

low phoenix
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I think this team seems aight btw

autumn hare
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It has to use tera to do that but I couldn't find anything else

low phoenix
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I think hydriegon can fill latios role instead

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Hydreigon @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Timid Nature

  • Nasty Plot
  • Draco Meteor
  • Flash Cannon
  • Substitute
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Nasty plot + sub is a nasty combo

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Really good against fatter teams

autumn hare
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Okay, thank you!

fallow garden
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also dd pult looks rough

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so does pult period

unkempt bramble
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I rlly dont-

fallow garden
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you have 0 speed control

unkempt bramble
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Im rlly new to this type of team

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What if i sent out raging bolt?

fallow garden
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it’s 2:30 am rn

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i can try and review tmrw

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when i’m more awake

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if that works

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or someone else might

unkempt bramble
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Ab ok, sorry, gnight

fallow garden
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your good lel

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night

wooden geode
low phoenix
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pecharunt is like the best zama check in ou

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his zama matchup is fine

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theres a reason why darkspam is a common structure in offense

wooden geode
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Right mb I haven’t rly been playing since the second dlc until recently

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What about like moth or valiant

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Ting Lu kinda walls moth

low phoenix
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ting lu is a good moth check

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for iron valiant skarm + pech are fine

fallow garden
soft maple
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attention for orgepon and samurott

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i need to swap one of them beacuse i need a special atacker

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especially to value toxapex.

tacit bluff
soft maple
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to improve this

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i was playing with a smogon team

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but i was bored of this and created this team

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yesterday

tacit bluff
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idk why you need two rocks setters, you can afford to make gliscor its sd set and it gives you a wincon and just more damage overall which this team lacks

Ting Lu's set in general is very weird you're overwhelmingly passive with having rest but no sleep talk, protect for whatever reason and also no attacking move aside from ruinination which means you'll basically lose every 1v1 and be forced out very often slot eq onto it to pose a bit more of an active threat and then the 4th move is usually whirlwind

ur team is also very very weak to mixed ddance kyurem who hits everything here super effectively. even if it doesn't 6-0 you'll most likely be left too far behind in the battle to be able to scrape a win

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not sure how I feel about pex here either

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the other 3 seem fine tho, I will say that you also lack hazard removal which is not a nice prospect

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especially with ogerpon wellspring who can't get rid of that hazard weakness and AV pex who would also appreciate not having its bulk cut by hazards

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you wanna get the most out of your AV mons by giving them a means to not have their bulk compromised by hazards

soft maple
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wait

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i didnt saw your text

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im gonna read it

soft maple
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but i can change this too

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one more thing to think about

soft maple
tacit bluff
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you can keep it as rocks I say

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cause you have samurott

tacit bluff
# soft maple an offensive gliscor?

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 248 Def / 16 SpD
Tera Type: Normal
Impish Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Knock Off
  • Facade
  • Protect
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it can also run a specially defensive spread

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if you want

soft maple
soft maple
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thanks

tacit bluff
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yw

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and uhhh I'd figure out a way to solve that hazard weakness

soft maple
#

sleep talk, rest, rocks and ruination is a good deal?

tacit bluff
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again its a bit passive

soft maple
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my ting is not to fight

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hes all support

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not even supoort

tacit bluff
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yeah but then rest is redudant

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rest is to give more aggro ting lu a second chance to keep attacking

soft maple
#

just set hazard and use ruination to make the swap more effective

tacit bluff
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rest sleep talk is just very exploitable when your only attack is ruination

soft maple
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but if i remove rest

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sleep talk would be useless

tacit bluff
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well yeah

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idt you need sleep talk at all

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whirlwind seems nice here

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because you're tryna stack hazards

soft maple
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ohh

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yes

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whitlwind boost speed right?

tacit bluff
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it also gives you an out against a setup sweeper

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no whirlwind switches the opposing pokemon out

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thats tailwind you're thinking of

soft maple
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ohh

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ok

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but it is also useful

tacit bluff
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whirlwind is a nice tool to get more hazard damage and also to stop setup sweepers

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tailwind in singles isn't very good

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in doubles its a nice tool

soft maple
#

rocks
whirl
ruination

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and earthquake?

tacit bluff
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eq so you can hit gholdengo who otherwise can't be whirlwinded out

soft maple
#

hummm

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dude

tacit bluff
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good as gold is stupid

soft maple
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I need to go to school

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🥶

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wait a sec

tacit bluff
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I'm here all day so dw

soft maple
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im at the bathroom

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philosophy class

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why am i supposed to have a philosophy class at 7am

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brasilsilsil

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im gonna move

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ting was left with eq, whirl, ruination and rocks?

soft maple
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i was thinking about the hazard cintrol

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id have it

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i need to swap orgepon or samurott to have a special atacker

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then valorize the weird pex build

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valorize or value

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idk

soft maple
tacit bluff
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unfortunately hazard control options in gen 9 are dire

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you can try defog corv but you do have to set up your own hazards again

soft maple
#

pex?

tacit bluff
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pretty much

soft maple
#

idont like tudk

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tusk

tacit bluff
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tusk is a weird fit here

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you can go bootspam

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since you have gliscor as a knock absorber

soft maple
#

gliscor learns defog?

tacit bluff
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no but it can take a knock off because once it gets toxic orb off it doesn't care about its item

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basically to protect the rest of your team from losing their boots

soft maple
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dude

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i have to go

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tacit bluff
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its fine its fine

soft maple
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i will be back

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to fix my team

woeful hearth
tacit bluff
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I'll get to this later

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or someone will get to it first

woeful hearth
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Okay thank you

silver river
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Nvm, too many things wrong with it, I'll just wait for someone better to explain it to us both

woeful hearth
junior vine
soft maple
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@tacit bluff

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help me to find any special atacker

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enamorous is just ilustring the idea

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not means that have to be him

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idk what to keep between orgepon and samurott

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what you think about

tacit bluff
#

I don't like the enam set here

soft maple
tacit bluff
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Uhhhh

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Honestly boots walking wake is an idea

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But you still need hazard control

pale mortar
fallow garden
#

discharge bolt worrytoed

low phoenix
tacit bluff
rare orchid
#

https://pokepast.es/dd4ef3390e04c439
Wanted to build a team with Tinkaton and Weavile, ended up with this. My main concern right now is if the team is too passive. SD Weavile is my only real breaker, but I'm not sure if I should be too concerned about it

I'm hovering around the idea of specs hex tera ghost pult but I'm not sure yet

regal ginkgoBOT
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low phoenix
rare orchid
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It actually was while I was building it lol

low phoenix
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yea hazards can make up for sd weavile being the only breaker

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you can give tink knock off over thunder wave

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for dragapult thunder wave over will o wisp

rare orchid
#

Alrighty, thanks 👍🏽

pale mortar
rare orchid
low phoenix
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That should be fine

rare orchid
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cool

#

ty

silver river
fallow garden
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why seed bomb amoong

soft maple
#

still need to move hazard control

silver river
fallow garden
#

uh

silver river
#

Sludge bomb?

fallow garden
#

not seed bomb

regal ginkgoBOT
barren ridge
#

reference the dex for sets if you're unsure of what something ought to run

silver river
fallow garden
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never mind seed bomb is on standard stall

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mb gang

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could also be clear smog

silver river
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😭

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Why does booster boost not ignored by unaware bois

fallow garden
silver river
#

Want dark, but steel is also nice

fallow garden
#

shrug

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both are good

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its mostly personal prefrence tbh

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and what you find more annoying to play around

silver river
#

True, i picked steel bc i respected pult more than psyshock, which is rarer comparatively.
Not like comparing a move with a mon isn't dumb to begin with

silver river
fallow garden
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not really

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you want one tera dark guy imo

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either bliss or clod

tawny crater
#

any rates? https://pokepast.es/5892a6235f1d87b6

having trouble staying above 1700. considering hatterene over latias for phase-proof stored power stallbreaker with hazard control, but have found the extra speed/typing on latias better

fallow garden
#

psychic kry is kinda bad, that heatran set looks really jank, defog sciz isn't really good hazard control, you have no bulky ground or ground resist outside of latias, banded quaq isn't really that good, and dd pult isnt stellar either

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this team kinda looks like ho but its not commited enough to make it really work