SV OU Rates

[low phoenix]

Ok uhhh

Can someone help me with this one I don’t have much experience with cm clef

[tacit bluff]

tbh I went about it like

if they wanted BO

then double hazard stacking isn't necessary

unless you have a rocker and the second hazard setter is hamurott or smth

[low phoenix]

Hdb hamurott can work probs

If it is bo

[inland remnant]

Honestly i used stack hazard bc it was written on smogon that cm clef likes to have its oppo chipped down

[low phoenix]

That’s true

But cm clef also fits on bo

[inland remnant]

Then instead of a spiker i go for hamurott and i have one more knocker

Seems good

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/332766289129f187

tried this team but kinda weak to kyurem and pecha/any poison type

[low phoenix]

There are many things wrong with this team

This looks like a convoluted mix of Ho with glimmora booster valiant balance with slowking av Pex

Focus on one play style and build around it

Also Overq will only fits in rain

[inland remnant]

Kinda stupid question but what’s the difference between offense and BO

Like how do you identify them

[low phoenix]

Think of play styles as a spectrum

With hyper offense and stall being complete opposites

Bulky offense teams are bulkier than offense teams but still pack firepower to hit hard

Offense teams are faster but have less room for taking hits

The spectrum is kind of murky though tho what’s more important is if the mons synergies with each other though

[inland remnant]

Ok i get it thx

I’ll try the team with hamurott over skarm and flamethrower over koff

[low phoenix]

No Skarm provides a defensive piece for the original team

If you’re gonna build clef hamurott just build a new team

[inland remnant]

Ah

I did some games earlier trying to really stick to “win with cm clef gg ez” as a gameplan

It was better than yesterday

[low phoenix]

Yea cm clef is used more of a late game end piece

Akin to the team I sent you yesterday

[inland remnant]

I play this one ye

I just put flamethrower over koff bc i get too easily walled by steel types if i dont manage to kill them early enough

[low phoenix]

Clefable isn’t meant to check steel types though

Ting Lu and zamazenta check the steels for this team

You might just be playing wrong

Flamethrower is just for the occasional steel switch in to catch them off guard

[inland remnant]

100% sure i am ahah

[low phoenix]

I chose knock off because it helps against opposing fats/bootspams

[inland remnant]

I dont see these archetypes for now, i might be too low elo for now

[misty basin]

i'm trying to build a somewhat offensive team around Darkrai

[inland remnant]

Yeah the more i get used to the team, the better it is i think its fine like that thx man

[low phoenix]

Yea low elo runs fuck all

Any semi reliable team can get past low elo

[inland remnant]

I was around 1600 and dropped down to 1200 bc i was trying a cheesy set for a tournament (it wasnt good obviously lmao)

[low phoenix]

Oh

Makes sense

Alternatively

Over meow you can try weavile

And pech/Gking over Ghold

Since weavile/meow wants to be pivoted in safely

And weavile is a good breaker

In hazard stack teams

[alpine hornet]

ok sounds good

yeah first off id make rai tera poison, dengo tera fairy and balloon

and then just drop the last 3 guys for helmet tusk av gking

and then maybe mixed ival last?

landorus might be better over tusk here

i would test a couple team drafts lowk i think rai pon dengo works in theory but it’s a little awkward

[rancid shale]

ngl I name my teams with how many copy ofs they have

[runic nebula]

I name most of my teams untitled xxx

[solemn flume]

https://pokepast.es/c2cd55ba639a3eb8
anyone have suggestions for my team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

fake daddybuzzwole??

[dry badger]

https://pokepast.es/59d466034490fe3e
I've made it past 1600 with this trick room team and want to push it further. Anything obvious to change other than "dont build TR teams ha ha"?

[alpine hornet]

eggy is unfortunately not real here and talon is a wasted slot on something so fast paced, i’d drop them for tork and raging bolt respectively and then maybe make gking into tr hatt

you also want swords dance on gambit and luna, def drop tect on the latter

also luna is missing 4 evs

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/08067bc31cfb7017

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

:3

[low phoenix]

you should have a hazard setter

rillaboom is kinda eh now tbh so change it to lando t

other potentially good changes can be to make prim tera ghost and give kingambit bulky evs (fast gambit is kinda a fraud outside of ho imo)

[cold cosmos]

blimax inspired team

[cold cosmos]

i wanted to build a fire water grass core, so i wanted to use rilla

[low phoenix]

no you need hazards

every team outside of screens ho needs hazards

[cold cosmos]

oh what about basepon

[cold cosmos]

they will give me hazards

😎

[low phoenix]

cinderace is not supposed to just transfer hazards onto your side

[cold cosmos]

its transferring hazards to their

[low phoenix]

its an offensive pivot with hazard control not just transfer rocks to your side

ok if you want a grass

[cold cosmos]

ive seen hazardless teams

[low phoenix]

drop dragonite for lando t

[cold cosmos]

basepon?

[low phoenix]

you still need hazards

[cold cosmos]

this team lacks a ground

[low phoenix]

waterpon over rilla and dragapult/zama over prim

[cold cosmos]

alright

[low phoenix]

drop dragapult for lando t

[cold cosmos]

sounds good

[low phoenix]

that is your ground

dragonite*

[dapper vault]

no

[low phoenix]

huh

[low phoenix]

you can give kingambit low kick and speed creep kingambit to make your kingambit matchup a bit better if not using zamazenta

[cold cosmos]

lemme go zama

also

https://pokepast.es/5c6d45ac4f9e7f15

thoughts

[coarse silo]

why leftovers on kingambit, doesnt black glasses work better

[low phoenix]

i like bulky gambit on this team and power whip over horn leech

but looks solid

[low phoenix]

leftovers for longetivity

[coarse silo]

i can see it

alr

[low phoenix]

you have waterpon and cb pult dont need any more breaking power tbh

[cold cosmos]

alright

[tacit bluff]

No?

They're not strictly necessary

Especially when cinderace is the hazard control

They're common sure but it's not the be all end all

A lot of BO teams employ cinderace's talents to use the hazards of the opponent against them once the setter has gone down

It could use a rocker sure but that's about it

Or basically (advised not necessary)

[tacit bluff]

Fire water grass cores are a bit eh

Best grass type is pon and that's already your grass and water

Also fire water grass gets torn by kyurem

If it's carrying earth power it's hitting all 3 for super effective damage

[cold cosmos]

^ blimax moment

[tacit bluff]

Yeah

Like they can work without hazards

Hazards are again "advised not mandatory"

Just like how choiced mons on HO are "discouraged not forbidden"

Technically nothing is off limits it's just harder to play without a certain thing

[low phoenix]

Oh

I thought that hazards were almost necessary on all non Ho teams

Unless your team is fat with cinderace and you can afford to bring him in an extended game

[low phoenix]

Didn’t pinkacross say thst the vast majority of teams should have hazards

[echo rampart]

yeah they should

but like Nocturne said they're not mandatory

[charred sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/b9bfec2b3e0d16a2

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[charred sparrow]

Anything helps I'm kinda butt with this🙏

[tacit bluff]

AV rilla is kinda fake, unlike vgc where its utility and bulk is unparralled with an Assault vest, here it doesn't rly care for it nor want it, rilla is best as a powerful breaker that can shred non resist to its stab wood hammer

AV bolt also doesn't do that much, bolt is already pretty tanky and doesn't gain much from an AV, its usually lefties booster or boots. whilst its definitely not useless I do think that boots would be better, also dragon hammer is not a real move use volt switch

wake is kinda bad outside of sun, if its ever forced to switch it loses the potency of protosynthesis and then just becomes a mediocre attacker

idk why darkrai has both psyshock and psychic, ice beam and sludge bomb hit everything relevant that it wants to with psychic moves

I'd reccomend a sample team here

https://pokepast.es/af25fed7fb99cdad

this one shares some pokes

[charred sparrow]

Oh ok I get it, I'll definitely handle some of that then, thank you also lemme look at the team

[tacit bluff]

https://pokepast.es/a59259be99210f5f there's also this one (not a sample but peaked ladder)

try em both see which ones you like as both share some of the mons on your team and both are bulky offence

[charred sparrow]

Got it

I'll put these to work then

🙏

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/431a8de347c5684e

[cold cosmos]

i swear i was tryna find this, is this an RMT

[tacit bluff]

yep

[cold cosmos]

ah alright

thanks

[cold cosmos]

lmao i cant find it

[tacit bluff]

second page

[low phoenix]

Okidogi is niche, but I dont see any immediate issue with this team

[low phoenix]

its from the stall cord

[tacit bluff]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peak-10-1965-elo-the-rainbow-momentum-bulky-offense.3751713/

bit of an oldie but still solid

[cold cosmos]

why could i not find this..

the upper one is just for archaludon suspect, not rmt..

[low phoenix]

there is an old sample that uses specs kyurem and is just that team

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/eac1f72fa7ec8f63
is my team good enough?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

if you want to run webs, you need to dedicate fully to hyper offense: otherwise, you're playing 5v6 for little gain, since araquanid is really, really bad without the boon of webs

Thus, pecharunt and tusk should either be given sweeper sets or dropped for other sweepers

I would say drop Pecharunt for Gholdengo (necessary on Webs for spin block + defog block), and maybe drop Tusk for a more powerful threat like Roaring Moon or Raging Bolt?

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/40f5bc8550da1c87
ok i changed it up, how is it now?

[hot dome]

a bit weak to fairy types, maybe swap out dnite for iron moth? also gives you more reliable speed control + better mu into zama

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/f3b6adf3dc9a0ed8 I've been rly liking this team but theres been some stuff I feel like I struggle with super hard like lokix teams and protect garg

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/8a52aaac14121342

advice?

[hot dome]

triple choice is way overkill, especally since two of them overlap roles and one of them is unviable

[low phoenix]

Choice band ace is ass

Just change it to its regular pivot set

[low phoenix]

Team looks fine although I think pivot waterpon works better for this team

[silent hemlock]

No setup mons?

[tacit bluff]

I disagree tbh

You'll have 4 pivots

Which is overkill

Can't give a full rate rn unfort but it looks, fine tbh I think something else can replace scizor

Your main core is also pretty kyurem weak

Scizor can usually mend that but

If they recognize that's your only kyurem answer

They can Tera in its face or wear it down as it can't heal itself

[silent hemlock]

The goal was a scizor team but yeah it usually kind of feels like the weakest link

[tacit bluff]

Scizor is a weird mon to build around

It competes a lot with lokix

[silent hemlock]

Yeah it felt a lot like bad lokix that can take a hit sometimes

I like using it a lot it just feels useless in some mus

[tacit bluff]

Mhm, it's not bad but as I said I'm not too big on your core being so badly threatened by kyurem

And that puts a lot of pressure on scizor

Who isn't a mon that should have that much pressure on it

Zamazenta can kinda handle it ig

[silent hemlock]

Yeah zama I think relieves a bit of pressure

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm I'll try to get back to this later but I think we can do a few things

[silent hemlock]

Although it also doesnt have regen

Alr @ me whenever ty

[tacit bluff]

AV iron crown can be nice here if you want

[silent hemlock]

Instead of scizor?

[tacit bluff]

Yh

[silent hemlock]

Is getting rid of scizor for a non priority mon rly the best idea

It'll help with the kyurem mu but priority feels almost necessary in a lot of my games

[misty basin]

Pawmot in OU?

The thing is in PU and if you face a great tusk, Landorus or maybe Gliscor you'll get abolished from existence

[misty basin]

You haven't seen a team I did which was just 6 pivots in a team

Constantly using U-turn to get out

[tacit bluff]

Pawmot has a niche

Like it's viable

Not good

But certainly viable

revival blessing

The one and only thing it can do is that

Granted the team has several other issues I'll get to that one later

[misty basin]

What does it do in OU? The dex doesn't list a strategy

[tacit bluff]

Rev blessing

And spreads para

[misty basin]

So para spam

[tacit bluff]

Yep

Most teams favor healing wish

Don't get me wrong it's a bad niche but it's not completely useless

[tacit bluff]

Or maybe someone else will I'm lowk really busy this whole week

[misty basin]

CC on a special attacking Iron Valiant
Regidrago in OU
Pawmot doesn't have either Nuzzle for para or Revival Blessing
Not Corrosion in an attacking Glimmora

[tacit bluff]

What? No corrosion sucks ass

It doesn't make steel types not immune to poison it only allows for glimmora to inflict the poison status condition on them

Toxic debris is always the better ability

[misty basin]

Wrong game I thought corrosion would hit steel super effective because you know the name

[trail whale]

nervous to ladder but never nervous to build
https://pokepast.es/552d54c5fcbac80b

was stuck on last slot because I wanted a Pokemon comfy into Moth and Waterpon

[glad dome]

https://pokepast.es/94d81f1222e733cf

Trying to build a team around comfey, does this have any merit? Who should I add?

[cold cosmos]

facts facts

[solemn flume]

i forgot to put ice punch but regidrago usually one shots all of those except for sp def gliscor

honestly i got pissy at physically defensive mons and iron valiant

so now stall picks off my team

[low phoenix]

whats ur pokepaste

@solemn flume

[solemn flume]

https://pokepast.es/c2cd55ba639a3eb8

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

not an official rater but i like to rate nevertheless

i do my best anyways

[solemn flume]

ye go ahead

[low phoenix]

this pawmot set isnt good

like at all

[solemn flume]

ye i havent changed it

[low phoenix]

pawmots one tiny niche in ou is revival blessing

[solemn flume]

honestly i was trying to find a solution to lead samurott

[low phoenix]

zamazenta and great tusk outclass pawmot pretty much entirely

lead hamurott doesnt really need counterplay tbh

since your team looks like a ho and youre just sacking your mons as they do damage

[solemn flume]

also quite weak to psychic

[low phoenix]

ok you got pivot pon and moltres which arent ho mons

[solemn flume]

i just thought it would be funny to one tap gliscor with regidrago lol

with valiant being the most common fairy type i chose moltres to wall it

[low phoenix]

what kind of team are yo trying to make

[solemn flume]

something around regidrago

[low phoenix]

kingambit

[solemn flume]

and countering fairies

[low phoenix]

psychic mons arent that common in ou tbh

theres deo s and hatterene but they are hardly top tier these days

moltres walls most valiant sets

until it brings thunderbolt

or knocks off your boots

checks*

[solemn flume]

i did make another set with tusk

[low phoenix]

tbh your team isnt very viable might as well use a sample

[solemn flume]

yeah but one shotting gliscor is kinda fun against 1500's

hehe

[low phoenix]

still not viable

[solemn flume]

tbh i still wanna try to make a team around regidrago

even if its viability is low

[tacit bluff]

idt regidrago is even ranked

its like

scary against an unprepared opponent

or on lower ladder

but its just

super eh otherwise

it folds to every fairy type and is forced to click tera steel, and since its usually choiced, ur gonna have to try and call it

it can output a lot of dragon type damage for sure

but thats about it

[solemn flume]

yeah one of the problems with it is fairy

i tried alot of weird solutions but none really worked with versatile teams

[tacit bluff]

its one of those mons that sounds heat in theory

and yeah dragons maw is broken

but unlike its cousin eleki

its not 200 speed and doesn't have le horrific boltbeam coverage

it can defo cheese some wins against some comps especially ones without a defensive backbone like HO but even then thats inconsistent and most HO rly shouldn't lose to it

like

252 SpA Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 165-194 (52.3 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

thats cool and all

but if gholdengo hits you with shadow ball

then it becomes 252 SpA Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (85 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 93-111 (29.5 - 35.2%) -- 18.5% chance to 3HKO

[solemn flume]

once it takes damage i usually just fold and use draco so yeah

[tacit bluff]

even draco is kinda like

eh

because it drops spa then you just sit there awkwardly

[solemn flume]

ye

i'd usually use it against a lead without fairy

but in any case i know its not good

i just kinda like it hehe

[tacit bluff]

Yeah so unfort if you send a team here our advice will always be just don't use it lul

Although it's better in RU

It's not amazing but it's actually viable there

If you really wanna build with it and actually get it to work

I'd try that

[solemn flume]

i'd probably try to get resists on common mons

if u have any suggestions lmk

[low phoenix]

steels darks flyings grounds and fightings are the dominant types in ou

zamazenta ting lu kingambit are arguably the top dogs in ou rn

so 100% prepare for those mons

[solemn flume]

alr thx

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/aebb95743e27e276 i changed the items for some of my mons, played the team and so far it’s decent, any big changes i should do?

[tacit bluff]

what team style is this?

[low phoenix]

looks like bulky offense

[dire osprey]

https://pokepast.es/8894be94d2d84628 any suggestion to this team? darkrai stolen from a rmt and is so much fun

[twin hedge]

https://pokepast.es/22611d7444fd8d38 any suggestion to this team :3

[hot dome]

this is for sv ou, and you should post your natdex team in, well, the natdex ou channel
but as someone who plays both tiers: you should not have a team full of UU and below mons + one ou mon if you want to play OU viably, and if you don't want to play viably, you shouldn't be asking for rates

[trail whale]

https://pokepast.es/d5917a4ac7785c23 felt fairy and moth weak so swapped hamu for gking

[unreal sorrel]

i think bulky offense i’m not too sure tho

mostly a lot of pivoting into my damage dealing mons

[queen basin]

https://pokepast.es/4e71d10a2035494e Hi! I really like hazard stack with alomomola and garganacl (yes I know what u're thinking), but I can't find a way to deal with ogerpon, any advices?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

What damage dealers 😭

[unreal sorrel]

yea idk

[tacit bluff]

You have no sweepers and one banded breaker, and a bad one at that

Some set choices are odd too

Sash pult isn't that good, even if you have decent hazard removal since pult has no recovery if you ever need to send it in and hazards are up that item slot it wasted

Especially since it's a pivot, if it was a ddance sweeper I'd understand the need for sash

[hot dome]

Sash Pult is trash outside of ho teams and even then it’s a pretty niche pick as a lead

[tacit bluff]

Yeah it's kinda whatever

Even with good hazard control boots is usually better

Otherwise it's usually choiced

[unreal sorrel]

should i swap anyone

or change sets

[hot dome]

This is not your team, please do not post it here

[echo orbit]

oh where do I get help with it then?

[hot dome]

General

[echo orbit]

oh thanks

[clever rover]

Me personally tbolt over aura sphere

Hits molt corv and others, since you hit things that hit by aura sphere hard enough imo

[tacit bluff]

Well considering this is BO without the O yeah you can drop a fair bit, meow just doesn't need to be here and can honestly just be replaced by weavile, meanwhile primarina can be it's calm mind set to give you a proper sweeper, I'd make pecha boots and then swap corv for smth else, maybe zamazenta as this team doesn't need tusk's hazard removal talents thanks to cinderace and a lot of your team having boots, zama then serves as your kingambit check and a powerful attacker with iron press

Dpult could also maybe go for dnite but both are fine

Since you already have a ghost

Or actually meow can be swapped for one of the birds to maintain that ground immunity

Molt can be good here methinks

It also helps dpult become more threatening by spreading more status

So hex actually becomes a scary stab

[trail whale]

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Valiant Aura Sphere vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Corviknight: 211-249 (52.8 - 62.4%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
seems like itd be nice as a more mid ground option vs darks & fairy resists like Treads, Crown, Tinkaton

also idk if its just me but fighting weak teras seem quite common, but thats less noteworthy

might still be reasonable to go Tbolt after dropping Hamu

for Molt

[rugged mural]

Could someone help me put together a team with roaring moon and amoongus?

[trail whale]

#comp general channels or ou discord are best for this, this channel is to rate complete teams

[rugged mural]

ok thanks i'm new

[clever rover]

Hmmm… true

[hot dome]

aura sphere is ass just run tbolt

[trail whale]

wtf :(

[hot dome]

monotype teams should be for the monotype channel

and if you're trying to make a monotype team in ou, unfortunately none of them are viable

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/50236456050fd0cd

oh shoot

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unreal sorrel]

i didn’t see the part where you said use moltres

https://pokepast.es/36794020d0b85d3c

here

[queen basin]

https://pokepast.es/4e71d10a2035494e Hi! I really like hazard stack with alomomola and garganacl (yes I know what u're thinking), but I can't find a way to deal with ogerpon, any advices?

[low phoenix]

If you’re having trouble with waterpon you can try 3 attacks + roost nite over dragapult

Dragapult

You still have speed control via extreme speed plus more longetivity than dragapult

[queen basin]

I'll try that, but I'm losing my anti spin

[low phoenix]

Dragapult isn’t really anti spin tbh

It takes a lot of damage from great tusks other attacks

Very easy for great tusk to read/midground a knock off

Also I don’t think tickle mola is necessary for this team and should be scald but it’s prob fine

Or just change mola to sinistcha for your spinblocker

[glacial narwhal]

https://pokepast.es/1bf555fccd6dba90

my first attempt at a "real" ou team, all my other ones were for-fun gimmicks

[sage sable]

I'll take a look

I'd personally do tera grass on iron moth

well my personal preferences isn't gonna mean optimal

but there are various things in that team I prefer

for kyurem I'd do tera ground

[glacial narwhal]

I also accidentally kept the auto ev for kyurem lol

[sage sable]

it is also a little too offensive I'd say, I'd slot someone fairly bulky in

I'd go swords dance gliscor maybe instead of iron valiant or kyurem

mixed iron valiant is also pretty dubious

[glacial narwhal]

it was an iffy wallbreaker attempt at best, yeah

[sage sable]

would do air balloon on iron treads

[glacial narwhal]

alright, thanks. I'll see how this does

[sage sable]

have you actually played any of those pokemons

a lot of those are pokemons I don't play normally

only kingambit on that is so I'm good at him

I'd put more EV into speed. I have 56 into speed on mine

[glacial narwhal]

the original team got me to around 1300 on my testing alt, but I think I'll try it on my main with these changes

[hot dome]

Please don’t give advice if you aren’t experienced in the tier

[sage sable]

im 1500-1600 elo

how experienced do I need to be to give advice

[hot dome]

It’s not a matter of elo but of general tier knowledge

If your advice is coming with the disclaimer that “I don’t play them normally” it’s not good advice

[sage sable]

it's more of a matter of my not trusting myself tbh

[hot dome]

And it’s also just wrong in some aspects ie sd gliscor

[sage sable]

i see your point tho

[hot dome]

Good start, just a few changes i would make
Don't use scarf dengo, it's ass on ho and doesn't even work as good speed control cuz any threats that beat you are probably faster than +1 ghold
not sure what's up with moth's evs or tera but run a defenisve terae like fairy/grass and go back to the smogdex set, and i would drop psychic for either substitude or tera blast + tera ground, psychich is only for pex which isn't popular rn
LO val kinda ass, swap it out for either mixed booster energy set or calm mind with booster energy, you need the speed control
Drop Ghold for a more bulky sweeper, idbp zama with chesto rest could be a good shout for a defensive backbone on this team
Not the biggest fan of kyurem but if you really want to use it be my guest, don't stack two tera blast mons on the same team though so run sub on moth if you keep it
Gambit set is fine but just make it the speed evs instead of bulk

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/36794020d0b85d3c

[regal ginkgo]

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[spare tundra]

https://pokepast.es/1608667eeea0ffb5

Ditto Trick Room
Peaked 1850

[hot dome]

i mean idk what you want us to say lol

if you peaked at 1850 you aren't going to be very open to advice that boils down to "trick room isn't very good in the metagame right now so you should probably use a more reliable playstyle"

[spare tundra]

i am open

lol

i’ve never reached this far

and i can’t build balance for shit

LMAO

or any other playstyles

first time i peaked this high was some years ago

with a trick room as well

[alpine hornet]

i feel like especially with ditto as a mon functioning outside of tr u dont need three setters for only two abusers, i’d drop p2 for either another abuser like specs torkoal or another mon that patches up holes outside of tr like lando or zama

[low phoenix]

Team looks fine, but you can drop Moltre s for zapdos since you already have cinderace as your fire type and you already have your phys def covered by zama

Oh yes I forgot to mention you can drop dragapult for tera ghost ting lu as you don’t have a ground and it really helps vs stuff like raging bolt

And it helps you resist darks/ghosts as well as give you stealth rock

Didn’t notice you had two ghosts for some reason lol

[low phoenix]

and for zama you can try band as that will give you some immediate power which this team is lacking atm

[unreal sorrel]

k thanks

[unreal sorrel]

would great tusk work aswell

[low phoenix]

ting lu helps you check ghosts darks electrics like gholdengo darkrai raging bolt

you dont need another hazard control for your team since you have cinderace

and its a great progress maker with reliable hazard setting phazing and just tanking the majority of special attacks

great tusk isnt necessary for your team

[unreal sorrel]

alright i’ll update it

[low phoenix]

bet

[spare tundra]

tyyyy ill change it

https://pokepast.es/b6e3853d8dd7783a

just built this latias bo, testing out gking over skeldridge rn

[placid jungle]

https://pokepast.es/50d8c9a9809c4ee0

[regal ginkgo]

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[tacit bluff]

OGERPON TEAL !!!!

unfort I'm a bit busy rn so I don't have much time to rate this

it looks good, just be careful of knock off into the rest of your team, tink should be able to absorb it well but its still a concern

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/28aede6a9d6fb344
this deoxys webs, I used glowking to pivot into deoxys since it's so frail

[low phoenix]

deoxys doesnt really fit on webs because it is so fast already and doesnt make efficient use of the webs set by araquanid

slowking g doesn't fit on webs at all and is a massive momentum sink when you are essentially playing a 5v6

id change slowking g to a air balloon gholdengo (which is mandoatory on webs to block all hazard removal), darkrai to its nasty plot set, and deoxys to something like swords dance waterpon

also with hyper offense you arent suppose to switch around in general the pattern is more like spam your sweepers set up sack and repeat

[low phoenix]

also tbh a second opinion but id put swords dance scor over ogerpon if youre not building around him

scor gives you a real knock off absorber and a wincon to help your hazard stack team be less passive overall

[placid jungle]

pon was the idea

[fossil knoll]

rate the team

https://pokepast.es/568608fca7a40982

anything i could improve on?

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/d2404fb3ca463044 what do you think now?

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/fc86918cadef0699
Thoughts?

[empty verge]

Not bad but my suggestions sold be to make zapdos tera dragon as you are very weak to ogerpon.

2. I would probly make pecha slowking galar to help provide supper to band zama to break through teams alongside future sight. It running thunder wave would support primarina in getting substitutes off.

3. Tera flying doesn’t really make much sense if you are not bulky ace with Will-O-wisp so just make it Tera fire.

4. Rest ting feels too passive for this team since it’s bulky offense just make it standard rocks and make it Tera ghost.

[empty verge]

No rocks?

[unreal sorrel]

tera fire cinderace and make it 252 hp?

i usually did that to avoid great tusk

[empty verge]

Not really sure what skele does here either

Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 224 HP / 32 Atk / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Flying
Jolly Nature

• Pyro Ball
• U-turn
• Court Change
• Will-O-Wisp

@unreal sorrel

This one

[unreal sorrel]

what do evs mean

like

what’s the purpose of 32 attack

[empty verge]

OHKO stuff like tinka and offensive ghold while being fairly bulky

to live +2 Shadow Ball from Iron Valiant, Ting-Lu's Earthquake, and two of Bulky Nasty Plot Gholdengo's unboosted Shadow Balls.

^this asw

[empty verge]

Looks solid i don’t see any changes I really gotta make

[queen saddle]

I see spikes as more helpful.

[empty verge]

This is webs you shouldn’t be running stuff like slowking galar here secondly darkrai wants all its moves either give it Expert belt or life orb and drop willo for something else

[unreal sorrel]

intresting

i always thought max attack speed was vetter

but why tera fire

and not flying to avoid eqs

[empty verge]

Yeah but you have a Mon to knock stuff off and some things don’t take spikes damage

The only time you can get away with no rocks is if you are running ace with court change

Imo

The other option is to just make this boots spam

Skarm > corv
Slowking > skele
Boots > band on zama

Alternatively, great tusk with rocks + spin > corv and molt > skele

And then you can just keep band on zama

That would also free you up to run Nevermelt ice on kyurem to be more threatening

[placid jungle]

i lose to last mon tera water garg

[wooden forge]

I'm new to competitive Pokémon, just fyi incase this is an awful team. https://pokepast.es/87f868488f54a898

[low phoenix]

nah this team isnt bad per se, you got the fundamentals right

change iron valiant to its smogon set though, its much more popular and fitting with the current meta

since you have a hatterene i can recommend physical dragon dance kyurem over lokix since its very hard to wall wo any dedicated physical walls like dozo and you have the hazard control to slot it in your team

cb lokix fits more on bulky offense/balance teams that need the anti offense unresisted priority it provides

[magic walrus]

Loaded dice?

[low phoenix]

yes

[magic walrus]

Ah so icicle s and scale s

[low phoenix]

make gholdengo offensive with psyshock for the stall matchup

dragon dance ice spear scale s tera blast

[magic walrus]

Tera fire

[low phoenix]

tera fire or ground is good

[magic walrus]

Yeah

[low phoenix]

ground for ice ground coverage and fire for burn immunity

[magic walrus]

But I like Tera fire I put Tera ground on my earth power and freeze dry set

[low phoenix]

if youre using earth power/freeze dry use tera ground

mixed kyurem is real

[magic walrus]

Fr

Freeze dry hits hard ngl

[low phoenix]

its very spammable indeed

[magic walrus]

Against wake cuz it is really hard to deal with

[low phoenix]

You need to outspeed wake first tho

Else wake just hits you with Draco/pulse

[magic walrus]

Yeah but I stole mimikyu stardust’s subs prot Kyurem

[wooden forge]

I’ll change up my team then, thank you for the advice

👍

[low phoenix]

Predicting on a wake switch is not a reliable way to check kyu

Something like Tera water glowking/ting Lu would check wake defensively

[magic walrus]

true since my luck is 30 percent

[cold cosmos]

wildfire is back???

[fringe field]

Tried building a team around Kyurem and Ditto to punish both passive and active play.
https://pokepast.es/c115168286e19bd1
Any thoughts?

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[low phoenix]

this team feels very weak to darkrai who pretty much 6-0s this entire team

and ditto is unviable in 99% of teams while choice scarf rotom w is a noob trap

since you are building around specs kyu i can give you a team that utilizes it much better

https://pokepast.es/f6d23af182294e5b

old sample but still works fine currently imo

[fringe field]

Thank you! I'll try it

[empty verge]

Indeed

[cold cosmos]

goat

[quartz inlet]

https://pokepast.es/162c9dab7e52d401

[regal ginkgo]

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[low phoenix]

Arcanine h is an odd choice here ngl, dragonite is the overall more consistent e speeder with its multi scale and better typing

Change arcanine to cb dragonite meow to pivot waterpon Rotom w to hatterene

Waterpon is a consistent wall breaker that gives you an option to pivot and hatterene gives you an additional aggressive hazard control that allows you to fit band dragonite

[misty basin]

Arcanine-Hisui is an interesting choice of a UU mon for OU

[low phoenix]

Optional but I think bulky gold is better for this team as it better checks mons like zama

[empty verge]

Arcanine can work but it’s used on very little on webs teams

It wouldn’t function on a team like this

[tacit bluff]

It's niche is small because dnite exists yeah

The main thing it has is the possibility of clicking rock head head smash and flare blitz too

[trail whale]

https://pokepast.es/5edee9d4164d9414 was doing fine then pulled specs pult and could do nothing about it spamming sball.
Any tips? Was considering Scarf Hrott but not confident that helps much

[magic walrus]

I need help improving this team https://pokepast.es/b4b8243ffce7f2d5

[glad flint]

genuinely dont have an idea on wtf I was doing here

[cold cosmos]

looks standard

[trail whale]

pokepaste makes everything easier
there are some forgotten stuff here, like tera types and Kingambit's ability.

no match up vs waterpon, Iron Moth, Rmoon, and team in general strikes me as weird

double ground, Scarf Ghold and Booster Val, this is paired with pivot Waterpon.
questionable looking offense

[cold cosmos]

also dont know how i fuck with both lando and tusk

make dengo balloon

[magic walrus]

Invest some of the IVs in Atk so close combat will work

On iron val

[cold cosmos]

change cc to aura sphere maybe

[spare tundra]

https://pokepast.es/a5c9d45066a1fc8a trying to build a bo

[trail whale]

this looks very balance like instead
and is especially weak to Kyurem

[novel parcel]

Hey Im tryna make a balance team and I feel like my teams lacking something idk what any suggested changes? https://pokepast.es/f765656106ca1064

maybe its like physical ground weakness and no fairy/fire/water coverage

[magic walrus]

Just watch out for those and taunt shutting down tox

[novel parcel]

yeah that and tox really makes no progress late game

im tryna a new team out i swapped out tox for pivot slowking, nasty plot darkari and im making the kinggambit AV

and am thinking about ogrepon wellspring instead of drapault

not sure tho gotta do some more testing

[novel parcel]

okay did some more testing and changed some more things around and found a team that feels good: https://pokepast.es/d9f37b53b5e09b48

[magic walrus]

I recommend thunder wave over toxic on glowking because that is more meta and toxic doesn’t word on 2 mins

The rest is fine

Just be aware of weaknesses

[novel parcel]

yeah i thought of twave but i put toxic because i figured neither darkrai nor kyurem with the snow is really worried too much about speed

and ogrepon is really fast too

but maybe i could specs the darkarai and change to twave

also anyone got gen 9 OU speed tiers?

nvm found it

[magic walrus]

Fairy weakness is also very important as 3 are weak and only 1 resists

Even if you have coverage

[novel parcel]

yeah I am kinda worried about that how do i deal with that?

like using teras? or maybe replace tusk with another spinner?

[magic walrus]

Nah even if corvi it doesn’t really fit

[trail whale]

so where are darkrai and Ogerpon checks

[novel parcel]

yeah my only darkrai check is my own darkarai with scarf focus blast which is kinda mid and same with ogre pon i only really got ogre pon U-turn

both kinda suck

[trail whale]

this is fine since its Gking, its taking on Enam and special val well

[novel parcel]

damn building an OU team is hard

[magic walrus]

Yeah

Yes it is

[magic walrus]

I still need to help check for any other things I have to be aware of for my team

[novel parcel]

how do you clear rocks?

[magic walrus]

rocks doesn’t really matter as I tried this team against so many glims doesn’t do that much

[novel parcel]

I guess HO it doesnt matter too much

yeah makes sense

[magic walrus]

Average gambit being gambit in OU

[novel parcel]

I am no expert at OU but do you have trouble against the two unware pokemon

dondozo and clodsire

[magic walrus]

I’m more concerned with don as stupid waterfall but I think ghol could deal with it

I’m going to the calculator to check

It doesn’t
all neutral damage is 3hko

[novel parcel]

tragedy

also maybe turn one primarina setting up on you could be annoying for you if you lead with lando T

[magic walrus]

But At least I have the team that I stole from the prime pults

From Mimi stardust

[low phoenix]

if youre trying to make a balance team this aint it blud

dd kyurem omly on hyper offense

[novel parcel]

i thought i could lead with it against araquanid and stuff or like chilly reception into kyurem otherwise

idk man i usually just play big strong fast pokemon up in ubers and im tryna build a balance team now

[low phoenix]

scarf rai is use more on offense teams for speed control while balance teams tend to use zama/pult as speed control due to their flexibility when on the field and not get immediately blanked by common switch ins

[low phoenix]

you should look at sample teams first then

[novel parcel]

i did i read up a bit

[low phoenix]

to see what typical team structures look like

well your team looks more like a bulky offense than a balance

if youre using a balance team you should have defensive answers to fast threats and not just outspeed them

[novel parcel]

makes sense, i was thinking about zama but i wasnt sure about something that gets worse everytime you switch like I thought it would be nice to not commit super hard

[low phoenix]

if youre looking for a low commit team i recommend hyper offense

you just lead a mon to set hazards then throw your sweepers into the field until the opponent gets overwhelmed

[novel parcel]

thats what i usually do in ubers i wanted to make something a little less unga bunga this time

[low phoenix]

scarf mons are typically used on bulky offense teams that need immediate speed control

and they usually need pivots to get them in because most mons that utilize scarf are frail

[novel parcel]

i see

[low phoenix]

zapdos ting lu and slowking g is a good core

also ting lu corviknight cinderace

for balance teams

[novel parcel]

ill try that out

[low phoenix]

Bet

[cold cosmos]

whats a good garg core

[low phoenix]

Garg mola

[rancid shale]

the only good garg is a dead garg

[hot dome]

Hey, please don’t give advice if you aren’t experienced in the tier: we appreciate you trying to help out, but giving bad advice can be worse than no advice

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/6d6ce25c01c9865c

[regal ginkgo]

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[empty verge]

Really solid but there could be some minor or fixes here.

1. I would give ting Lu tera ghost as it gives you a way to actually deter spin from foes like great tusk. (If need be)

2. You could do roar > heavy slam on zama as you have ways to pressur gliscor (weavile) and ival (gking)

3. This is optional but you can do Tera ghost on weavile to dodge espeed as well.

[broken fog]

Im stuck at 1200

Maybe Im just playing bad though.

idk

[placid jungle]

https://pokepast.es/c947f99f28a9a315 the team does p bas into Zapdos and some others like corv

[trail whale]

oh damn cant even touch corv 😭

[hot dome]

pecharunt with no offensive dark types, no breakres, and an unreliable knocker is not a good choice

[trail whale]

first thoughts were dropping Pecha for Dengo and then Tinkaton becomes something like Kyurem

[low phoenix]

You can go for dragon dance Kyurem over greninja since you have the hazard control for it

[low phoenix]

Optional but put psyshock over recover over gholdengo so you match up better vs stall

[broken fog]

Don't act shocked.

[low phoenix]

Otherwise looks fine

Huh

[low phoenix]

What is that supposed to mean

[trail whale]

I personally really dislike Glimm over something like Sash Hrott right now
but even then, looks standard, do you feel like youre losing to anything in particular?

[hot dome]

means hes blocked you, for wtv reason

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[broken fog]

Raging Bolt is one of the ones that are a issue.

[broken fog]

This guys first idea is to tell me to remove Greninja. End of discussion have a nice day.

[hot dome]

ok, if you're unwilling to take actually good advice in this channel

and are going to be rude about it

this isn't the place for you

[broken fog]

Sorry.

[hot dome]

If you come to this channel you need to be willing ot take advice, even if it means scrapping the entire team/removing your star mon

[broken fog]

I will delete the team

[trail whale]

Tusk is your best friend
you can try Dgleam on Dengo if you really struggle, as that gives every pokemon a way to threaten Bolt

[broken fog]

If I have to take the advice to remove Greninja I will simply start over. It's fine.

[broken fog]

Alright I will try that.

[trail whale]

btw are the sample teams mixing offense and ho together or are there just no offense samples

[hot dome]

the former

blame mimikyu

[trail whale]

@robust frigate im blaming you

guessing Manaphy, Pecharunt, and Shotokan are the offense ones

[robust frigate]

the line between offense and hyper offense is sometimes very blurred so i just put it under one umbrella

i would count hellom six as offense too but bulky offense seems to be more fitting

[trail whale]

alr

[low phoenix]

The issue with greninja is that it’s not immediately powerful enough

Raging bolt zamazenta dragonite check it very well

Ogerpon w too on non sludge wave/gunk shot variants

Blame power creep for greninja in uu

[broken fog]

Don't most mons have a reasonable amount of checks though? But the teammates help out.

[broken fog]

Yeah power creep and the nerfs all at once is something that still saddens me. However I don't intend on giving up. Also sorry for my rudeness. I was angerred by your message and thought what I was saying at the time was a ok way to express it but it was not.

[robust frigate]

@broken fog do u want to use greninja?

[broken fog]

Yes

[robust frigate]

its pretty good as an anti offense

i would use it on hyper offense or heavy offense

greninja's best set is probably tera ghost
hydro pump/surf
dark pulse
ice beam
sludge wave/water shuriken

life orb

towards the end of most games

[broken fog]

https://pokepast.es/e7247422849809d1
This is currently what I have been trying for HO Gren.

[robust frigate]

greninja is one of the best anti offense in the level of zamazenta/dragonite

but the issue is its sooooo frail and has rlly bad trouble breaking through fat

[broken fog]

Yeah

[robust frigate]

2 issues

opposing roaring moon

and stall breaking

[broken fog]

Btw the recent changes are Grens tera of water to ground and Roaring from Flying to Steel also Gholdengo fairy to flying. I have not played with these changes yet.

[robust frigate]

this team will have great issues with that

i would go greedy dengo

which is modest, somewhat bulky with dazzling gleam psyshock nasty plot shadow ball air balloon tera fairy

this solves your stall issue

and helps with roaring moon

[broken fog]

I was swept by one awhile ago 😭 also the last match I was just in I got swept by sun boosted Walking Wake.

[robust frigate]

with this you can forgo encore on iron valiant

and use vacuum wave instead for late game sweeping

i would also use tera ice on great tusk to claim the KO at +0 vs roaring moon with tera

and i have no idea why ur tera steel moon

just make it flying

[broken fog]

I didnt gain much from flying in most matches and had issues with fairy type and dragon types.

[robust frigate]

personally, i do not think ur weak to raging bolt, so u can use tera ghost on gren

better vs dnite and zama

[broken fog]

That I thought I could kill until they tera live a hit kill me and now Im cooked

[broken fog]

Alright

[robust frigate]

however, this can be a more personal choice

u might want sludge wave tho

ur quite weak to ogerpon

[robust frigate]

u just tera flying, set up once, and sweep

no fairy type is faster than +1 moon

and non can live +1 moon acro w/ tera fly

[broken fog]

Whats an important amount of speed investment I should keep?

[robust frigate]

you really dont need much

u can just reach like

227

for 0 speed gliscor

[broken fog]

Acrobatics is not enough for it?

[robust frigate]

u dont want to rely on one pokemon only

[broken fog]

Alright

https://pokepast.es/a225c4cc0568651c

[regal ginkgo]

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[broken fog]

I didn't mean to trigger that...

[robust frigate]

lmaooo

yea looks good

if ur still having trouble with raging bolt

u can make gren ground

[broken fog]

What do I do vs walking wake?

[cold cosmos]

can anyone help me out from the SV community 🙏

[low phoenix]

Fast valiant

[broken fog]

wb if they tera water?

The one that swept me went tera water when Val came out.

[low phoenix]

Uhh

I’d say make one of your mons something with priority

[broken fog]

So far we got water shuriken (ofc wont work) and vacuum wave (doubt it will work)

[low phoenix]

Dd Dragonite over roaring moon?

[tacit bluff]

Roaring moon is the only knocker tho

Unless you make iron valiant the physical set

[low phoenix]

I don’t think knock is explicitly necessary in Ho tbh

[tacit bluff]

As someone who mains HO

Heavy disagree

[low phoenix]

Oh

I don’t really play ho

[tacit bluff]

You want at least one

[low phoenix]

And I usually test teams a lot before I “Christian” them so

[broken fog]

Walking Wake is op tbh

[tacit bluff]

Wake is op only on sun

Otherwise it's a fraud

[broken fog]

So I just need some anti sun thing?

[tacit bluff]

Well it's ok on balance ig but

You can swap dnite for roaring moon and then make val physical to keep a knocker

[tacit bluff]

The main reason is bootspam

HO is made more effective by chipping everything down with the hazards the lead sets

Having that nullified turns several ohkos into a range

[low phoenix]

I think mixed valiant is fine

So you can still check zama

[tacit bluff]

Mixed can work

[low phoenix]

If Ghold is dead

[broken fog]

https://pokepast.es/05e86807403e20b7

[low phoenix]

Looks fine

[broken fog]

Alright

Wyt Nocturne?

[willow prairie]

https://pokepast.es/9b146dfa41d66e0e

how bad is it

[urban pollen]

https://pokepast.es/b6c8c89c016db48d

[low phoenix]

Don’t have time for a full rate but your team looks weak to fairies

For a cursory rate change kingambit to assault vest iron crown for a fairy + Kyurem check and a pivot change great tusk to offensive utility and ting lu Tera to ghost

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/22d3249b3cdaf747

one of my first full teams

[broken fog]

@robust frigate Hey how would I build heavy offense around Greninja? Could you please help out with that.

[willow prairie]

it will get checked by the dark types tho

[low phoenix]

you still got ting lu great tusk and iron valiant

your dark matchup is fine

[willow prairie]

why avest set tho

[willow prairie]

valiant is outsped by spe boost moon tho

[low phoenix]

av crown helps your team check fairies and kyurem which your team is weak to

[low phoenix]

spe boost moon is a fraud

most moon are booster attack

[willow prairie]

why not just calm mind set

[low phoenix]

calm mind crown is specific and only really fits on ho

[willow prairie]

i wanna use em tho

should i just make an ho team then

[low phoenix]

i mean what kind of playstyle are you looking for

[willow prairie]

i honestly dont know either balance or ho while still being able to use dnite cuz i like priority valiant and calm mind crown to deal with zam and gambit and dozo

i just wanna use those three sets

[low phoenix]

so hyper offense then

calm mind crown you NEED to have mons to handle physical attackers like kingambit

without tera calm mind crown is dead weight

[willow prairie]

hyper offense forces me into lando tho

and i kinda dont like him cuz he usually just dies

[low phoenix]

lando isnt necessarily a hyper offense mon

you can lead with other mons

like glimmora

or hamurott

[willow prairie]

would it be possible to use

bulk up tusk alongside him?

(i just like that set looks funny)

[low phoenix]

yes

bulk up tusk is viable

[willow prairie]

so what do i use as the final guy

speed control moon?

@low phoenix

[low phoenix]

Kingambit

For a proper dark resist

[willow prairie]

aight aight

[willow prairie]

wait which item

[low phoenix]

Black glasses Tera dark

[willow prairie]

low kick or iron head

[low phoenix]

Btw next time when you ask in this channel you should bring a completed team

This channel is for rates not teambuilding

[low phoenix]

Iron head

[willow prairie]

i did bring a complete team tho

u just helped me change it

[cold cosmos]

speedrunning losing to mixed ival/spirit break knock sd ival ^ 🤔

[low phoenix]

Just out offense iron Val tbh

This is a hyper offense team

Give kingambit Tera ghost if you are having trouble with fighting types

[low phoenix]

Oh lol I forgot

[willow prairie]

LMFAO

[dire osprey]

https://pokepast.es/b19b6e07defc8999
any suggestion? been working fine till now but i think it struggles against stall and mostly garg, offensive cinderace is a slept on breaker, this thing breaks balance cores in half

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/9d560b6bf88ce3cc

[empty verge]

Real solid but I’m not a fan of that AV Sam

1. I suggest changing that to ting Lu and giving it spikes. This makes you much more consistent into the ghost types (Dragapult and Gholdengo) this also ease the mind games of checking Raging bolt with tusk. It also gives you a way to dissuade setup and waste booster energy from paradox pokemon.

2. Change zapdos tera type to dragon because you do need an out vs ogerpon-w otherwise it gets free clicks vs your team.

3. Since you have cinderace there isn’t really much need to run a fire tera type on it. I highly recommend steel or poison depending on your needs.

4. Slowking galar > iron valiant. I know this is kinda of a drastic change but hear me out. Regen means you offset the salt cure damage and safely pivot into something that threatenss garg without taking 1 million damage as you are slower than garg. Secondly, this provides future sight to make ace even more annoying to switch into run tera water on it. These are the changes I suggest let me know if you need anything else. I did also noticed you lack rocks. The beauty of running cinderace means you can run court change > sucker punch to trade the opponents rocks and then set spikes with ting Lu after. This means you do not have to drop knock off on tusk.

[empty verge]

Honestly I’m not really needing much synergy with this team would you mind informing me of the idea behind your team?

[gritty cosmos]

supposed to be ho, but im still revising it right now

[empty verge]

Alright I’ll be here if anything but some key things to remember triple choice is not good on HO as it said momentum as you are locked into a move.

Very specific hyper offense teams can run one choice Mon but it’s very situational

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/59b1b820ce37f260
basically changed the entire team

moltres is the pivot

for ghold and weave

[low phoenix]

Spl ass team

https://pokepast.es/6e16ae830018b7cc

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/f8bbc4790369cddb

stall

[hot dome]

you have drifblim
dont

[gritty cosmos]

defog

[hot dome]

ok seriously a lot of these movesets are unviable/subpar, you get 6-0ed by ghold, bad mu into knockers, can't reliably defog anyways

your pex doesn't even have evs

actually in general you have an extremely poor mu into any boosting spattacker since you dont have cm blissey which is a requirement on stall

you also lack hazards of any kind which means you have no way to force reliable passive damage

this just lacks a lot of the staples of gen 9 stall, and unfortunately its unviable

[gritty cosmos]

so what should I change

[hot dome]

to be frank i would need to change so much itd be better to just direct you to the current "best" stall team instead and have you use that

This is the most up-to-date stall team right now
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peaked-4-1978-elo-heatran-hydrapple-stall.3759294/#post-10438054

I would also recommend joining stallcord, since they're by far the best resource for learning how to build/play stall for new players

[gritty cosmos]

Ty

do you have the discord link?

[hot dome]

its in the rmt

[cold cosmos]

i doubt its "the best"

[hot dome]

Currently? Yes, it is

[cold cosmos]

its just that someone peaked with it

[hot dome]

It’s built by two of the best cg stall players, has tons of recorded results, has proven to be extremely solid on ladder with ways out of most negative mus

Is it going to last forever? Of course not

But currently, yes, in fact, it is the “best” stall team for the metagame

[polar hollow]

https://pokepast.es/c5ff70a5916c5535 stall team, pp+hazards, 2 pressure, 2 regenerator, blissey, 1 unaware

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

Change thunder wave on blissey to calm mind, paralysis is pretty much useless on stall

[polar hollow]

alright

[low phoenix]

Also blissey Tera to water

Because sun wake

Also I’d switch mola to dozo tbh

Cuz your team struggles very much with physical setup sweepers

I assume you are building around suicune btw but im just going to say that suicune is not a good mon and can be replaced by gliscor if you are intent on building an actually viable stall team cuz it absorbs knock off and can serve as your spiker instead of clodsire leaving you room to fit shadow ball/flamethrower on blissey and actually hit air balloon gholdengo

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C9U6hzs-UoCkggEaUl0kdQ9J_YeAM63ra1ePsjKhlLw

Here is a resource made by some of the best stallers in Pokémon I highly recommend taking a look at it if you wanna learn how to stall

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/434549c26fd6b25e

[gritty cosmos]

the holy document

rate my stall...

https://pokepast.es/e11f046204f10bb1

[hot dome]

Please test your teams before posting them here

[gritty cosmos]

i did?

[hot dome]

Your evs are mixed up

You also have a double move slot on blissey

Like I said, please test your teams

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/5dde14c83946b325
fixed, mb

and played

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2302241097

[tacit bluff]

The UNHOLY document (I suck at playing stall)

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/067ecdec3270d88c

[hot dome]

stop reposting the same team over and over again, a rater will get to it when they have time

[cold cosmos]

hi

made this https://pokepast.es/5be91be929f0c607

using stall bible. looks good?

[low phoenix]

Bronzong needs mola to wish pass it heals as it doesn’t have reliable recovery on its own

Otherwise this is very similar to the bronzong stall sample and might as well use that one

[cold cosmos]

nvm this loses to np dengo

[cold cosmos]

true true

scrapping this

[spare tundra]

https://pokepast.es/703f25102004259d hazard stack

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/aed999653801e82f was an spl pull but the team just feels awkward to use with the fastest mon being darkrai and it also feels completely useless against tera fairy idef garg like it actually just stalls out my pech and beats everything else

[low phoenix]

Darkrai should have sucker punch over nasty plot

And scald over surf

[cold cosmos]

if someone would have told me 2 months ago that darkrai would run sucker knock dark pulse then i would have laughed in your face and called you a low ladder noob lol

[low phoenix]

No that’s supposed to be the rip lmao

I talked to the guy who made that team

[silent hemlock]

Omg

Any other things I got wrong?

[low phoenix]

Should be fine

If you have trouble with waterpon tho make molt Tera dragon

[tacit bluff]

I love how darkrai has a good physical attacking stat banning sleep made this mofo have to dig into its utility sets lmfaooo

[magic walrus]

same with amoongus but darkrai had different sets

[dry canopy]

scarfed team https://pokepast.es/5d1cfe94b8de9dff

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Sorry but this is just

Not good

At all

Two choice locked mons tends to be considered a bit overkill, 5 is just a gimmick

Not to mention haxorus and veluza are both just bad

Hoopa Lando toxapex and Thunderous are all fine but not on this team and certainly not when you have no means of circumventing priority or hazards beyond pex has boots

Like this is literally just a gimmick team you play for fun

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/1ba13afe26e2c280

[viral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/eaf906860c2f839a
thoughts on this muk gterrain team?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spare tundra]

https://pokepast.es/4a47d75f436b4f38

struggling against iron crown

its kinda because i need more pivots i feel like

[low phoenix]

Ting Lu + glow king checks iron crown just fine

Don’t need to worry about him

Some recommendations tho change slack off on glowking to thunder wave as slack off isn’t really used on glowking anymore and your team appreciates the para support and weavile Tera to ghost to block extreme speed

But yea your team is very solid overall don’t need to worry to much

[grizzled cave]

heyyy, I finished my draft league and I wanted to build an OU team after finishing my draft

https://pokepast.es/f60e16eba87f6133

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grizzled cave]

the only thing I really wanna keep is ting-lu cuz I love my moose. Im unsure whether to switch moltres or zapdos

havent built a team for OU in a long time

[hot dome]

Is this a draft team or just a reg OU team

[grizzled cave]

reg OU

[silent hemlock]

Insane draft picks

If that was the case

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/ca7d379bd041c79e
Thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

not a full review but full physical moveset dragapult w/o choice band is a fraud and you have no hazards

[queen saddle]

Wdym a fraud? Either way I had DD but didn’t use it once.

And hazards aren’t always needed imo, but I can slap on rocks with Tusk.

[low phoenix]

dragon dance pult is bad in gen9

cuz of kingambit

[queen saddle]

So what? Sub + 3 atks?

[low phoenix]

wait no not necessarily bad but its inconsistent

[low phoenix]

nah 99% of the time you need hazards

[queen saddle]

I have tera blast fire for Gambit, Corvi, Scizor, etc.

[low phoenix]

rocks at least

[queen saddle]

Kay, I’ll slap on rocks with Tusk then.

[low phoenix]

you have great tusk zapdos iron moth

you dont need tb fire on pult

[queen saddle]

I like the sweeps tho. 🙏

But I see your point.

[queen saddle]

?

[low phoenix]

change it to hdb pivot

that is its most consistent set

[low phoenix]

Ok time for a real rate now @queen saddle

Change dragapult to its choice band set, you have zapdos so you can form a volt turn core with it

[queen saddle]

Got it.

[low phoenix]

Give great tusk stealth rock over knock off for hazards

Change meow to its hdb set

Primarina to pivot gking

Iron moth to kingambit

[queen saddle]

I was thinking of using water fire grass core.

[low phoenix]

Water fire grass cores are meh rn

Like they’re fine but you don’t actively pursue making a water fire grass core when teambuilding competitively

Kingambit helps with your dark resist btw

And gives your team a steel

[queen saddle]

Love to see steels.

Thing is, I don’t see much synergy with the team. Maybe I’m tripping.

[low phoenix]

Wdym by synergy

[queen saddle]

How well do they work together? Switching in and out?

[low phoenix]

Gking gives your team a fairy resist and a slow pivot to help get pult and meow in

[queen saddle]

I need to make the team in order to see stuff, but going to school rn.

[low phoenix]

Alright then

Good luck

[queen saddle]

Thanks.

@low phoenix https://pokepast.es/454580c402411b0f

[silent hemlock]

Theres lots of synergy

Volt turn+future sight bo is good

[queen saddle]

I see it now, mb.

[low phoenix]

what are kingambit evs for?

volt switch is better on zapdos than u turn imo

[queen saddle]

Just annoyed at being stopped by ground types.

He’s just a defensive pivot anyways, not supposed to dish out damage.

[low phoenix]

then why do you have thunderbolt on zapdos

[queen saddle]

And Gambit has a bit of speed to outspeed other Gambits that aren’t max speed.

[queen saddle]

Corvi.

[low phoenix]

thats fair but why the 4 def ev

[queen saddle]

Oh. Didn’t see that.

[low phoenix]

i wont force you to what set you run but this is the ideal zapdos set

[queen saddle]

The amount of physical attackers on this team makes Corvi a possible threat.

And Dozo.

[low phoenix]

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Hurricane
• Volt Switch
• Thunder Wave
• Roost

you still have knock off on great tusk

even though i just said hazards are necessary...

[queen saddle]

Forgot to edit it.

I’m on phone rn.

[low phoenix]

also change pult tera to dragon

[queen saddle]

I don’t do teams much on phone.

[low phoenix]

alright

[queen saddle]

I copied and pasted the old team.

Just made a few changes.

[low phoenix]

since you are boots tusk

you can give tusk tera fire

to block burn

[queen saddle]

Got that.

[low phoenix]

band pult is usually tera blast ghost but you can try tera blast fire over sucker punch if you want

[queen saddle]

I do.

https://pokepast.es/9e6bcdb1d97201ea
fire water grass core with a few editions.

https://pokepast.es/16144ee77d9953d3
The new version.

[low phoenix]

the new version 👌

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/1b89a519340748da hazard stack balance. Debating on using great tusk > garganacl

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

I would advise tusk

your team gets absolutely mauled by opposing hstack otherwise

[alpine furnace]

Other than tusk, what other fixes would you suggest?

[tacit bluff]

I'm also not a big fan of booster bolt here, this team is gonna be making a lot of switches, and thus doesn't rly favour booster mons very much, you can go with lefties on bolt instead or smth

you don't have the initial power sure but a pokemon like bolt can really appreciate chip healing

since its quite naturally bulky

once you pair it with hazard support it becomes much better

it also means it can switch in and out without losing as much

[alpine furnace]

Keep the cm set or use the pivot set with lefties.

[tacit bluff]

cm methinks