#SV OU Rates

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cold cosmos
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have to tera for it

low phoenix
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You have Tinka ton

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You can also make moltres mixed defenses and make Hydr Apple Tera steel

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Although you still don’t have a knock off absorber so the hazard stack matchup will be rough

rose patrol
regal ginkgoBOT
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tacit bluff
# rose patrol https://pokepast.es/1a891025c51afa23 hey guys i made a gen 9 ou team what do you...

Not a bad start all things considered, there's a fair few components of this team that resemble a pretty solid Bulky offence core but a few things jump out at me

  1. hisuian lilligant is just not very good outside of sun, and even on sun teams its becoming more niche. it just lacks the initial power and speed without setting up a victory dance and a pokemon that has its frailty coupled with the plethora of powerful attackers that can exploit its turn needed to set up victory dance just make it a poor choice

  2. Skeledirge is odd, especially life orb, which hinders its most valuable trait being its bulk and access to unaware pretty badly. its a niche but solid mon tho, I just don't see it working here with its current set, especially without Torch song, which is by far and away its best move

  3. Garchomp is fine albeit I think you have better options, and ik its seen some recent innovations with a Life orb set in SPL as of late not sure what the full moveset is tho, granted you have better ddancers such as dnite who tends to fit very well on bulky offence thanks to roost and multiscale granting it a lot of longevity

As for changes, honestly these selection of pokemon aside from lilligant are pretty solid, as for lilligant I'd say swap it for ogerpon, which form is up to you Wellspring would work well here as it tends to do but I think cornerstone can put in a fair bit of work against zapdos and moltres who a fair portion of your team doesn't appreciate the presence of. and unlike waterpon is neutral or resists all their stabs, garchomp for dnite here imo and yeah this seems good

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oh and make dirge its boots set if ur gonna keep usin it Hex,Wisp,Slack off, Torch song

heady urchin
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I've used this team quite a bit, it's actually strangely a lot less niche than it appears on paper

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Eterrain not being my only wincon is pretty useful in MUs where terrain is hard to keep up against stuff like Rilla

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Its 60% for Alolan Raichu, 25% for hands, 10% for elec boost and 5% to fight other terrain + stop rest sets

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Alolachu is actually really absurd in a bo1 no info format, it can ohko and outspeed speed quark drive val, speed proto roaring, pult, speed quark iron moth and speed proto tusk

tacit bluff
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e terrain teams were cooler in a meta before ting lu just started

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becoming way more used lol

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the only mon that doesn't blank into it is iron hands

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and ig frosmoth

rose patrol
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oh ok

royal oyster
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https://pokepast.es/0c439b3d77495d7e SV OU. The goal of the team is to put grassy terrain and in a way I wanted for iron hand to push a hole and the rest of my pokemon continue hitting the same hole since they share in my opinion similar counter. I added a pyrobut aswell that could court change, benefit from ground type/ physical defensive pkmn being gone/could even will of wisp some ground type and I'm playing it offensively so he hits like a trucks maybe he could clean in endgame, at the end I added a clefable as a support with healing wish, maybe knock off, unaware + moonblast could maybe help me in a pinch to deal with one of their sweeper and stealth rock; I always suicide my clefable early in the game for later with the wish, game are very quick

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I have no idea if it's a viable "goal"

heady urchin
worn berry
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clever rover
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What

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😭

cold cosmos
clever rover
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Very, can’t get an exact figure but this is beyond saving

cold cosmos
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ur right then

barren ridge
tacit bluff
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You'd probably run psyshock for that

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Does alolan raichu even get psyshock

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Idk

heady urchin
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Psychic actually handles it on switch in

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Psyshock is there but psychic is better for Zama OHKOs

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It doesn't OHKO clod but it nearly always does 2HKO

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Which isn't an uncommon option

tacit bluff
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Idt zama should be too much of an issue tbh

heady urchin
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Zama can snowball pretty quickly against the team, I just need to either para it or keep terrain and rai alive for it

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I run tera ghost on pawmot so I can let them body press me, nuzzle and then encore them into body press as I revival

tacit bluff
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Yeah was gonna say pawmot can stop it in a pinch

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And frosmoth should probably take a body press and fire back with boosted special moves

heady urchin
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The team does have a really big reliance on the Frosmoth tera for stuff like ghold though, so it's more of a panic option

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I dont think Frosmoth does actually

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😭

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It's so weak defensively

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It's such a sp def wall though that it's fair enough

tacit bluff
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Surely if dauntless shield has been used

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It lives one

heady urchin
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I don't think so

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At least with my build

tacit bluff
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Oh wait it's neutral

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Forgor about the ice weakness

heady urchin
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The tricky part is too is that even unboosted, Zama requires 2x quiver dance

tacit bluff
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Yeah then you're probably dying to that nvm

heady urchin
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1x is fine since I can just do it on a switch in

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Stuff like Tusk it OHKOs, even cinderace on terrain with tera blast

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outspeeds too

tacit bluff
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Lokix seems to be kinda annoying into this asw

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And knockers in general cause so many mons are relying on the item

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You have to be really careful around that

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Ig hands can absorb a knock that's about it tho

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Everyone else doesn't wanna take it

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Like this team can work but it requires such immaculate play so it can easily fumble if your opponent calls out your plays or smth

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Luckily on ladder no one has MU experience into this

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Except for hands

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So you'll probably be fine there

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In a tour idk you might find yourself struggling a bit more

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Stall seems like ur worst MU but defo not unbeatable

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Just keep frosmoth alive so that hazards stay off the field

heady urchin
# tacit bluff Lokix seems to be kinda annoying into this asw

Lokix is def annoying, but hands can tank it pretty reliably. Elec seed also lets hands tank knock off hits even more reliably, and punish the switch in with a quark drive boosted move. The only mon that usually gets its item knocked off is Rotom Wash, but if a physical attackers on the field I'm nearly always pivoting into Hands from Frosmoth and Alolachu, Alolachu with Terrain boosted vswitch which funnily enough OHKOs Val as well

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The lack of mu experience is helpful for sure

heady urchin
tacit bluff
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Fr?

heady urchin
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I actually have some replays of it

tacit bluff
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Most stallmons wall these pretty reliably

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Maybe not dozo and pex

heady urchin
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Hands just has such a good mu into them once teras out of the way

tacit bluff
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But clod, amoong, bronzong all seem like a pain

heady urchin
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Hands actually one shots clod and outspeeds with EQ

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It happens in the replay

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Amoong gets OHKOd by psychic, and frosmoth threatens it as well

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Brozong isn't too hard to deal with, I can chip with Alolachu

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Screens is super useful for weird mons like that

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Heres another one vs stall, he played that one super good but the mu was just so skewed from hands being back alive twice

worn berry
barren ridge
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oh I never linked the sample teams

regal ginkgoBOT
barren ridge
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I'd really recommend picking one up while you learn how to play

hot dome
barren ridge
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teambuilding can be quite difficult so you can use a sample team to pick up knowledge of what goes on in OU and then come back to trying to build later

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good luck!

worn berry
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Thank you so much

hot dome
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Your stall mu is pretty poor, and in both games if Showdown didn't just sacrifice his tera for fun and laughs you would be 0-6ed

heady urchin
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Dragon Tera was really good

hot dome
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It really wasn't

heady urchin
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Clod was questionable

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I was cooked without alluring

hot dome
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he had no need to tera, blissey is right there

heady urchin
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For Rotom Wash it was extremely useful

hot dome
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Wash is not breaking anything 💀

heady urchin
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Brother that is a 252+ sp atk hydro pump

clever rover
heady urchin
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That would turn Gliscor into paste if he didn't tera

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The mixup is pretty skewed in my favor

hot dome
clever rover
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Somebody explain to me RIGHT NOW on what was going on in that replay

hot dome
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Showdown was just hard feeding

heady urchin
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If its blissey I vswitch into gliscor

hot dome
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Like I said

heady urchin
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and get free ice punch minigame

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Like

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Hands on the field against blissey

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Demolishes nearly everything with a single read

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You can see him have to play the stupid mixup and win like 3 times just to keep up

hot dome
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Yes, because he threw away his tera turn one instead of just teraing dozo and 6-0ing

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Like I said, he threw

heady urchin
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Tera dozo wasnt gonna do anything

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it cant recover on elec terrain

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No rest on there

clever rover
heady urchin
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Tera dragon gets folded by fmoth

heady urchin
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I won the 27 man room bracket with it

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That was a bit scuffed I'm ngl

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😭

clever rover
heady urchin
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Alolachu covers the other dozo teras

hot dome
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Look, this team is horribly outdated (and was niche at best in the first place), and doesn't work in the current metagame

heady urchin
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It does unironically

hot dome
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If you are not willing to accept this, I am sorry, but this isn't the channel for you

heady urchin
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I think it's niche don't get me wrong but I'm a believer as someone whos used it for thousands of games

clever rover
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He literally let you win

clever rover
hot dome
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The only two pokemon on this team that are even ranked on the OU VR are Iron Hands and Wash, both of which do not work on this archetype

clever rover
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And I am serious

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Does it make it any good? No.

hot dome
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E-terrain as a style has not been viable for... months at this point i don't exactly recall when Pincurchin fell off the vr

heady urchin
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I think you guys are sleeping on it, it fares pretty well against the meta

hot dome
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Trying to force an eterrain team in this current surge of Ting Lu viability will never work, and will require significant tier overhauls to even stand a chance

heady urchin
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I'd be down to play some matches against a standard OU team

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Hands + Washtom kinda folds Ting Lu

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Worst case forces a tera

hot dome
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Also you posted this team back in May of last year

heady urchin
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Yeah I'm a gimmick team person

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Like

hot dome
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No team, not even one hand crafted by the best builders of OU, will last the test of time

clever rover
hot dome
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This team is unviable, plain and simple

heady urchin
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This is all I've used

hot dome
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If you aren't willing to accept that and you're here to show off, this isn't the channel for it

heady urchin
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Tbh I was just looking for reasons why people thought it wouldn't work

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I feel like whenever I talk about it, people underestimate the teams ability to perform. Like I def agree theres a good amount of checks but it feels so broken at times

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Its just pretty prediction heavy

tacit bluff
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Lowkey my main issue with the team is that everything is a lynchpin

hot dome
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This isn't the channel for showcasing gimmick teams

heady urchin
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Ladder is tough for it because conssitency but like

tacit bluff
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If any single member goes down the team crumbles

hot dome
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Please stop posting if you are trying to showcase a team from May of last year

heady urchin
clever rover
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Also, even if it absolutely dismantles stall it can’t be viable if it loses to everything else

heady urchin
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I'm here for discussion

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I think that's valid

hot dome
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This isn't for discussion

clever rover
tacit bluff
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Lose frosmoth you lose to hazards you lose iron hands ting lu walls your entire team, lose pawmot and you can't bring back anyone, lose pincurchin and raichu fumbles the bag into everything

clever rover
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This is just… bad

hot dome
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This is for you to receive feedback and advice from a rater: this was my feedback and advice

heady urchin
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Didnt mean to reply to that whoops

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Like what level of achievement

clever rover
tacit bluff
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Consistency

heady urchin
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Whats considered high ladder?

clever rover
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Even if it isn’t consistent as a matchup fish it better at least have a few important MU fishes

heady urchin
tacit bluff
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This team is far too prediction reliant to be that consistent and relies a lot on the low amount of MU experience

heady urchin
tacit bluff
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Like a lot a lot

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If anyone knew what was about to hit them it becomes a far simpler game for the opponent

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And yeah as faya said stall should usually beat this lol

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The theory is fine and all but as I said you're so dependent on keeping every single mon alive

heady urchin
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In singles its kinda a mixup more than anything, knowing it def helps but I've played against people who know the team and I can just alternate stuff like supercell slam drain punch and ice punch

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For coverage

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Tbh it really is matchup dependent for what mons being alive matters

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Pawmots nice because gambits so common, I pretty much get 2 free revives

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Dual resisting stab is huge for it

tacit bluff
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Gonna be honest supercell slam is a fake move in a tier with 4 very dominant ground types and iron hands famously suffers from a lack of strong coverage

heady urchin
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Supercell slam is super good if you can break their ground types

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Theres situations

tacit bluff
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Again it's all "if"

heady urchin
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Where its stuff like gloking vs hands and they know I have eq

tacit bluff
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That's the issue

heady urchin
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Ice Punch is pretty consistent

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I mean it's all prediction based on known info

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If I choose the wrong option I'm generally just guessing wrong

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Its that combined with the safety of said options

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Worst case scenario it chillys out

tacit bluff
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Ice punch is bouncing off defensive tusk gonna be so honest

heady urchin
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and Lando comes in

hot dome
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Stop this discussion, it's a waste of time, Chef if you are not willing to accept the advice given please do not post in this channel again

barren ridge
heady urchin
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I'm just having a discussion 😭

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I'll move from this channel

low phoenix
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Is my stall matchup ok

elder knoll
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What breaks stall here

low phoenix
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rn it feels like av prim is the only thing that can check stall directly with psychic noise

elder knoll
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psychic noise is blocked by tera dark

low phoenix
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i might change it to bulky cm if stall gives me too much trouble

elder knoll
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sorry for the repost but I never got a response yesterday

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this team is not defensively meshing well

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I'm not having trouble killing things but I'm having trouble against fairy types like Enam

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since I'm forced to tera lu

low phoenix
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if youre forced to tera something to check a specific mon its not a good matchup

elder knoll
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I need to fix that matchup

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cause the only fairy resist is Pech

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and that's fake most of the time

hot dome
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  • double choice and 4 fairy weaknesses is really iffy
elder knoll
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yeah

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I could swap out Val

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it's mostly there for speed control

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Pech is mostly the pivot to help keep hazards

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it's mostly the way I deal with stall as of now

hot dome
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I get it, but you don’t keep hazards up against stall anyways cuz they just defog

elder knoll
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Gapdos punishes the defog

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and threatens to kill corv cause of the +2 boost

hot dome
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Then why runt?

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If it’s not even doing its job, might as well swap it out

elder knoll
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actually good question

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🤔

hot dome
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An actual fairy resist could be neat

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Also a Mon to check Kyurem (ish)

elder knoll
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Glowbro could be nice

low phoenix
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use glowking

elder knoll
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wrong name

low phoenix
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glowking is actually ou and can pivot

elder knoll
low phoenix
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how is my team btw?

hot dome
low phoenix
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what could be changed then?

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team looks fine at first glance

elder knoll
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Does this look better?

hot dome
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Twave Pult

low phoenix
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aight

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what about my stall matchup tho?

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my original question

hot dome
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Mixed Pult + Primarina + Scizor should be fine, if you’re still struggling maybe try dark glasses gambit

hot dome
low phoenix
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bet

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thank you for the feedback!

elder knoll
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Would you say the team is aggressive enough to forego removal?

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I've been toying with the idea of an H-Rot for a while

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in Lu's place

hot dome
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Defo not

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Man I really don’t like scarf val

elder knoll
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🤔

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I mean I could give up the hazard idea

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put rocks on Lu

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and use scarf enam

hot dome
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I don’t really think you need a scarfer here

elder knoll
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So like a boots Val?

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Or something faster like Krai or Pult

hot dome
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Ngl feels like gapdos is mostly holding this team back but wtv

elder knoll
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😭

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I mean what would you drop it for

hot dome
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Ghold

elder knoll
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Oh that also frees up Pech's slot

low phoenix
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there are alot of defensive flyings fairies ghosts and poisons that gapdos simply cant break through

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also iron valiant is a major issue for your team

hot dome
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And Kyurem

elder knoll
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I guess Zama can take Gapdos spot now

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Ok I've reworked

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like 1/2 the team

silent hemlock
regal ginkgoBOT
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tacit bluff
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damn why did my message just

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not send

tender sparrow
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oh I missed this

Yeahhhh ngl this is a bit jank, you're very much using clefable for the wrong thing ngl

Clefable's best trait is as an excellent bulky utility mon with access to reliable recovery and can even become a threatening sweeper of its own with calm mind, it can provide a lot of value to bulky offence and balance teams as a result, using clefable as a suicide healing wish spammer in the early game is kinda a waste of its talents. Also unaware clefable is generally not the best pick, magic guard giving it an immunity to the omnipresent hazards and stuff like toxic from gliscor and slowking is invaluable.

the rest of the team is fine-ish. the grassy terrain idea is neat but I've said this before, you're not really exploiting the terrain all that well, you only really have rillaboom abusing it and it just sets that for itself by proxy. its not that the other mons don't appreciate g terrain being up but you do have to keep in mind if you're not really abusing it there isn't too much of a point, as both you and your opponent are chip healing from it which is the main drawback of grassy terrain. if you're gonna use terrain extender rillaboom, make use of the terrain more

raging bolt cinderace are good and iron hands is fine the biggest issue that mon faces is that its not really that strong, especially with thunder punch over wild charge, its not actually slamming targets for that much damage and would struggle immensely to break past mons like zamazenta or the birds moltres and zapdos, who one of your other sweepers in kingambit doesn't appreciate the presence of either.

you're pulling this team in two different directions with this bulky offence core and then g terrain and you really need to commit to one or the other. G terrain offence often exploits pokemon like hawlucha and even ursa to proc unburden and chip heal the burn damage they give themselves respectively. plus some other sweepers to overwhelm the opponent.

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you hit an auto filter fsr, probably length

tacit bluff
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thanks UT

tender sparrow
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^ but there it is

tacit bluff
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meanwhile BO teams whilst sometimes also appreciate the g terrain, often don't wanna run rillaboom due to the cost of rillaboom not being the most consistent mon in the tier, having losing matchups into the birds, pecharunt, raging bolt, enamorus and the rarer Lokix and Heatran is not enviable. BO teams appreciate leftovers chip heal instead rather than chip heal from leftovers.

tacit bluff
# silent hemlock https://pokepast.es/5f3493c7129b47d9 struggling a lot to improve this team, feel...

decent start but this team has some stand out flaws

Scarf meow is just fake I'm sorry. as a form of speed control once the opponent realises its scarf they can exploit that fact immensely and consistently force meow out potentially making it take hazard chip on every switchin punishing your lack of boots. its just not a very threatening scarfer, which is the opposite of what you want your choiced mons to be, it can turn it into a massive monentum sink and give the opponent an opportunity to set up a wincon, for instance a line like this (you click flower trick->dnite switches in-> meow is forced out->dnite sets up ddance unpunished) and so on meanwhile if it wasn't choiced you'd immediately threaten a triple axel

aside from that though, the rest of the team is pretty solid, although you have a bad fairy weakness, 5 of your 6 mons are weak to it and thats far too much pressure on pecharunt to check the myriad of fairy type attackers in the tier. so I'd say meow should go for moltres who can check Iron valiant by threatening stab hurricane and it can also answer physical attackers whilst serving as a pivot. that should help to alleviate that matchup whilst not compromising your matchup into ogerpon although I do think gliscor over ting lu might be a good idea to reduce the fairy weakness as well, plus give you another knocker, potentially freeing up lokix to be another slot, such as raging bolt. that last part is less necessary though since Ting lu is just fine.

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you can make great tusk tera steel for the fairies

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thats about it tho

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otherwise yeah p solid

royal oyster
# tender sparrow oh I missed this Yeahhhh ngl this is a bit jank, you're very much using clefabl...

@tacit bluff thank you both, I replaced clefable with alomola (I just wanted a healing wish pokemon that could also bring me some utility and I struggle a lot against glimmora for some reason and needed a water type) I feel like without grassy terrain any eartquake mons would destroy all my sweeper ( or weaken them so much they are done) and then if it happens the team would be very much useless like any gliscor would just prevent me from trying to sweep or dinglu.

I know hawlucha is supposed to be the grassy terrain user but I just don't like the fact it comes in and it's done if let's say a tinglu click whirlwind and hawlu comes in at the wrong time that poke is totally useless while losing the booster on raging bolt sucks but it's not the end of it either.Also I feel when iron hand gets walled by something I can still kill it but maybe the sweep is done (i can heal wish later) while hawulucha it won't ever pass an annoying mon so that other can benefit. Maybe I should add hawlucha still.

So you are saying I'm going hyper offense and bulky offense at the same and I need to chose ? 🤔 I thought I was going hyper offense with how little regard for defense I had and was just trying to hit hard

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I think I'm still struggling a bit with what my teams are and what I'm supposed to build toward and stuff

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thanks again

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clefable was very bad ngl in testing also in that role/set/this team you were right

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with grassy terrain I can deal with gliscor/roaring moon/really not care about dinglu/ the unfortunate EQ great tusk/ lando/ garchomp/ dnite and trying to deal the most amount of dmg with my sweepers

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but maybe that's not good enough as you said to justify it

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😅

royal oyster
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could it be worth it to swap rillaboom for another pokemon that would manually set grassy terrain if needed ?

tacit bluff
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defo not

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manually setting g terrain is trolling lowk

royal oyster
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oh :/

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I see

tacit bluff
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g terrain offence is also just a kinda niche teamstyle

royal oyster
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then idk what to do tbh if I don't want grassy terrain I get owned by most ground type and if I use something that beat ground type from the get go they never come in and as long as they stay healthy in the back I'll never be able to sweep with raging bolt/iron hand

tacit bluff
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certainly a viable one, but it has its flaws

royal oyster
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but at the same time I see that without choice band

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it's not the most useful mons

tacit bluff
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you're getting owned by the grounds cuz ur running a lot of ground weak mons

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its a very simple solution ngl

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just use a flying type

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besides Gterrain isn't helping you withstand the ground type onslaught anyway

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two of the best grounds in the tier don't always run eq

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lando T often runs earth power and great tusk is usually clicking headlong Rush

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both of which g terrain doesn't weaken

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I would also reccomend using a sample for a BO team so you get an idea of what I mean

royal oyster
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so you really think it's not necessary

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it was cool against raging moon

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roaring moon*

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damn

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thanks

tacit bluff
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clefable can check roaring moon brilliantly with sticky barb

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if thats your concern

royal oyster
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then I have to add a clefairy xD

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but it's true

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I can swap rillaboom for a flying type

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I noticed some issue around zamazenta also

tacit bluff
royal oyster
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and match up where I would need some specials attacker that isn't booster tied

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like raging bolt

low phoenix
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I posted this team earlier today but can raging bolt stand in for kingambit if I’m having trouble with the birds?

royal oyster
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not struggling

tacit bluff
royal oyster
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I just know the team is far from being good since I'm a rookie builder and not amazing at the gamle

tacit bluff
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yeah teambuilding is hard lol

royal oyster
tacit bluff
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thats why we're here

royal oyster
# tacit bluff thats why we're here

so the goal of the team is overwhelm the counter they have for iron hand/raging bolt/king gambit, I always thought they were pretty similar

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do you think it's a bad goal ?

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first of all

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a lot of team they have maybe one response or two and are easily dismantled

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and I just winb

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especially the one that let me will of wisp their great tusk for some reasoin

tacit bluff
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I want to keep scizor at least

tacit bluff
low phoenix
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I think this is the best I can do tbh

tacit bluff
low phoenix
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I mean I’m building around scizor

royal oyster
low phoenix
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I’m just wondering if a dark type is necessary

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Like ground or flying are

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I feel like dark types are just really good rn so I’m not sure if it’s “necessary”

royal oyster
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sorry if I'm a bit slow to understand

low phoenix
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What is your current team like

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Maybe I can give some feedback’s

tacit bluff
# royal oyster what do you mean by not too many favours ? tbh he is doing most of the work most...

well, Iron hands is a flawed mon but its main flaws are

  1. entirely reliant on SD, its damage output without it is not spectacular, now with its bulk this should be fine, but a fast taunt from the likes of ogerpon, deo s or even lando can stop you dead in your tracks

  2. its coverage is nothing to write home about either, ice punch without stab is not denting that much, and with your decision to use thunder punch over the more standard wild charge that hurts its stab output too

  3. no ability lol, always sucks but not the biggest thing that holds it back

  4. it has some pretty glaring poor MUs, it fumbles badly into pecharunt, is walled by clefable and the less common skelidirge. and garg even with super effective drain punch can be an absolute pain when it starts clicking curse

royal oyster
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royal oyster
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to even try

royal oyster
low phoenix
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I feel like band Rilla is better on this team

royal oyster
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and any iron defense mon

tacit bluff
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its strong points are its great bulk and thus its resistance to being RK'd

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oh yeah zamazenta defo gives you trouble

low phoenix
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Your team has no real grass abusers (Ursaluna, hawlucha, Ogerpon, serperior, Kyurem, etc)

royal oyster
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even corv iron defense, it's not always handy for raging bolt (my special attacker) to come in

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especially with booster

low phoenix
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So just make Rilla your scary wall breaker

royal oyster
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also stall is impossible since I doin't HKO dondozo

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maybe sometimes I can if they don't terra fighting

tacit bluff
low phoenix
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Change iron hands to one of the aforementioned grass abusers

tacit bluff
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jkjkjkjkjk

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ngl what i'd say is swap rillaboom

royal oyster
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why is ursaluna abusing grassy terrain ?

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or kyurem

low phoenix
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Grassy terrain neuters burn chip

tacit bluff
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so it can freely spam guts boosted stab facade

royal oyster
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I think ursaluna could do what iron hand was doing

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in a way

tacit bluff
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but yeah me personally I'd get rid of rillaboom, g terrain is nice but I don't entirely understand your insistence on it

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since it benefits your opponent too

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and just pivot into BO

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without the terrain

low phoenix
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For the final Mon you can just throw on iron valiant for speed control and something vs kingambit

tacit bluff
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and also shore up the ground MU because its dire

low phoenix
tacit bluff
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I wouldn't go with valiant

royal oyster
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and second

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one where I switch 2 mons

low phoenix
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Ursaluna is hard to build around

tacit bluff
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yeah try that

low phoenix
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I don’t recommend building around Ursaluna if you aren’t good at team building

tacit bluff
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g terrain with ursa and then try one without ursa and just a BO core

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maybe put lando on there

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lando my goat

royal oyster
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xD

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like my can in the trash

low phoenix
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Didn’t say you couldn’t try lol

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If no iron valiant zamazenta could work I’m thinking

tacit bluff
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regardless I'll be heading out for now but hope my advice helped

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also cuz I'm feeling a lil dizzy

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pain

royal oyster
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@low phoenixwhat kind of set on ursa on this team ?

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regular flame orb

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I know some have bulk up and drain punch

tacit bluff
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its viable not a staple basically

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and like every mon under that title

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its inherently harder to use consistently

royal oyster
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lot of team crumble under it

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but many bad mu

low phoenix
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Flame orb def in grassy terrain

royal oyster
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xD

low phoenix
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Set that best abuses it

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Bulk up is kinda weird I’ve never used it before so I can’t say anything

royal oyster
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I'm very fast to open up about trying ursa because it kinda does what iron hand was doing so it's not changing much on the team

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if you see what I mean

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even if I liked the guy

royal oyster
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it remove an important weakness and give a immunity

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even two

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and save me against status ability

hot dome
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Ursa in gterrain is actually pretty decent

royal oyster
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it really sounds like just 6% health per turn is a great deal

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I guess it is

low phoenix
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Go for it

royal oyster
low phoenix
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Just analyze spl replays

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I also use sample teams for inspiration when building

royal oyster
low phoenix
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Nice

royal oyster
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saw a team with rotom wash

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and clefable sticky barb

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no idea what sticky barb was doing and I'm

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impressed and disgusted

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at the same time

low phoenix
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Sticky barb clef goons booster spammers

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Especially roarinng moon

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And also fucks knocked scor

royal oyster
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ohoh I smile just thinking of this

rose patrol
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@low phoenix I know rilla band is supposed to be better in my team than terrain extender but I find band rilla to be quite meh you get walled and locked, it only sounds useful in a pitch for frail sweeper prio or finish off target or against stall

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but ursaluna can break on his own I think

runic nebula
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Dusknoir is also running special attack with no special moves

hot dome
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That's underselling it by a lot, but yes, both of those pokemon are unviable

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Furthermore, Specs Wake is really only a Sun exclusive: outside of it, there's better choiced mons to use

hot dome
# rose patrol Hey guys I made a new team what do you think https://pokepast.es/296a0efee53845a...

You seem pretty new to SV OU, so I would recommend you take a look at the sample teams for now: I can tell you used sample sets for these pokemon, which is a great start, but you should also look at their recommended teammates and playstyles for tips on how to build. Sample teams are also a great way to gain this experience since you can ladder with a well-built team and gain experience that way

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!gen9ousamples

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tacit bluff
tawny olive
tacit bluff
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Is there anything I can do to fix those weaknesses?

tacit bluff
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Deo s can click superpower against kyurem in a pinch but not against a boosted kyurem

tacit bluff
# tawny olive Is there anything I can do to fix those weaknesses?

Ngl hazard stack has defo seen better days but a few things can patch it up, you can go with zapdos over alomomola to help with the Ogerpon MU, alternatively dnite works as a powerful win con that thanks to multiscale has the bulk to shrug off initial attacks from pon, as for kyurem you do have gholdengo which should beat most sets but just be careful against an already boosted kyurem, iron crown can help alleviate that MU but I'm not too certain who you'd replace here

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Maybe galarian slowking

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And then you've covered your bases

tawny olive
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Alomomola is what I use to help Garchomp set up hazards

tacit bluff
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Thing is, tankchomp isn't rly used ngl

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It doesn't offer anything over ting lu

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Who is much tankier

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Garchomp's best role is as an attacker

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If you really wanna build around garchomp that would necessitate an entirely different team otherwise ur probably gonna have to drop it

tawny olive
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It's Gachover

tacit bluff
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Actually maybe not

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It's usage rate is high enough where it could rise back to OU

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But yeah it's best set is an offensive one

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Tankchomp is hella cool and all but it has so much competition for that role

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And ting lu is becoming more and more common and also people are realizing just how good that moose is

low phoenix
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just be sure to build around it thouhg

royal oyster
low phoenix
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put your team here again

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lemme take a look

royal oyster
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one issue now I feel I'm weaking against something like kyurem where as before my iron hand could live and hit and weaken it (if not set up)

low phoenix
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Add av crown over mola

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Mola is more of a fatter team Mon

alpine hornet
# royal oyster https://pokepast.es/1a0c840f878981d9

i would make cindy and gambit bulky here, make rbolt a boots/magnet pivot, and make rilla banded

optionally if you’re having trouble with kyu u could also drop bolt for iron crown and then make mola tickle over scald and tect over hwish

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i also like defensive tera on luna, fairy and ghost are both great but dragon would also be good here I suspect

royal oyster
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@low phoenix@alpine hornet thanks

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no idea how it's so obvious to you xD

alpine hornet
low phoenix
alpine hornet
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anyone can get there w practice

royal oyster
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how do I know when to use which set ?

low phoenix
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Just test

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And see which one feels better

royal oyster
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I see

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I was wondering why is bolt pivot

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is good here

low phoenix
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Actually iron crown over mola is sound advice too

royal oyster
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no idea when it's a good mon to add actually

low phoenix
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Since ursa likes wish passes

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Mola is good on bulky offense/balance/stall

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Look at each mons smogon page for specifics

royal oyster
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crown seems good yeah

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but I need to be way more careful

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about my mons

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no second chance

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but it's much more aggressive

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this way

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feel like each mon is put to use to be offensive

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while before rilla extender and alo were kinda just support

low phoenix
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You can consider hawlucha

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If you want more speed

royal oyster
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I don't like ho as much

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hawlucha seems such an ho mon

low phoenix
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It’s fine in terrain

royal oyster
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I never liked him in tuhe anime

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xD

royal oyster
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specially if I go rilla band

low phoenix
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That’s fair

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I’m used to putting speed control on all my teams just feels mandatory to me personally when I build

royal oyster
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funny how king gambit is the best mon

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and it has ONE set

low phoenix
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You can give cinderace sucker punch for even more priority

royal oyster
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oh yeah that's good on him

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they don't see it coming

low phoenix
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You can go terrain extender on Rilla if you use ursa

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Since ursa breaks

royal oyster
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I tried a few game

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and you were right

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ursaluna just

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destroy

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no need for sword dance like iron hand

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kinda tanky too

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can actually kill dondozo

low phoenix
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You can try rocky helmet mola

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With tickle

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For annoying physical sweepers

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Dragonite zamazenta roaring moon

royal oyster
low phoenix
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Both tbh

royal oyster
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I get mixed signals xD

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okay

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two versions

low phoenix
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You have a lot of priority

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So speed should be ok

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And iron crown helps check Kyurem

royal oyster
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boots/magnets pivot

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what did he mean by that ?

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magnet ?

royal oyster
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kinda sucks having to put dragapult on each team

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for some reason I never liked gholedngo scarf

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most phys scarf they are impossible to use when there is a moltress

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@low phoenixnow kinggambit match up is harder

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at least that's somethig iron hand did well

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anyway

alpine hornet
alpine hornet
royal oyster
alpine hornet
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can also run taunt last

royal oyster
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I did this following your advices

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im lost xD so I keep alo and drop bolt

alpine hornet
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u dont need need mola here tbh especially with pivot spam

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i’d run psynoise over fsight tho

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on crown

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and maybe discharge over taunt on rbolt

royal oyster
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this team seems harder to use

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in a way

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since I can't wish ursa back

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@alpine hornetthank you

royal oyster
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https://pokepast.es/e5595061d9cbebf2 I wanted to build around cinderace band he hits hard, not a lot of big fire phys resistance in sv ou, I put ogerpon water for alomola and hatterene because I'm too weak to SR. I thought lando scarf would give me speed I need, that can surprise and allow me to kill some poke that are annoying like fast dragon type or some sweeper or some poke that put sr so I don"t have to deal with them later.
For weaknesses so far I noticed roaring moon after one dd I would need to keep my lando healthy + terra the whole game. What can comes in and survive and threaten me on cinderance so far I notice gliscor he gets to 50% health with one pyroball is really a problem to deal with. even defensive tusk dies if they try to check ace. The pokemon I'm the less confident it's fitting is kinggambit (check goldhengo and give me prio)

Sorry if I make too many team I'm trying to make one whenever I'm inspired to practice teambuilding (which I never seriously attempted before 2 weeks ago)

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hot dome
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I’m ngl banded cinderace just ain’t it

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You could have all the hazard support in the world and it still wouldn’t stop cinderace from falling over after attacking twice

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Furthermore, that combo of attacks has the incredibly unfortunate side effect of blanking into the common physical checks of the tier

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(Pyro Ball blanking into the Dragons and Waters, HJK actively hurting you into Ghosts, and Sucker Punch blanking into Fighting)

royal oyster
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I see

hot dome
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If another rater wants to take a crack at making this viable feel free but atp you’d rather just use banded Pult/specs Darkrai or wtv

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You just have to stack so much hazard removal just for a sub par breaker

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Like legit waterpon still does a better job of breaking than banded cinderace

royal oyster
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no problem

royal oyster
hot dome
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whatever

royal oyster
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oh okay

magic walrus
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!gen9ousamples

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ehhhh this is ok but a fair few things jump out at me here

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Iron valiant's moveset is a bit awkward, ur already maxed out in attack, just sd over moonblast lowk

not a big fan of the hatterene set either, stored power is not the move I would've chosen since it take a fair few boosts to even get it to a reasonable power level and even then you still autolose into Ting lu because even with a few boosts draining kiss is tickling the moose. also grassy seed is strange, I get the fact that the defence boost is attractive but its a one time boost and if you're forced out at any point its just lost. sure it boosts stored power as well, but this needs a fair bit of setup to work and even then Hatterene's abysmal speed can betray it. ur better off using something a bit more consistent, especially since its your only form of hazard control

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otherwise this is fine

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although one thing I will say is that you may want slightly stronger speed control options, rillaboom is fine but its not the most consistent mon

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and booster val is slower than most other booster mons

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so just be aware of that

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thats not too big an issue tho, moreso just a small optimisation

narrow crest
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what exact changes would you make then?

tacit bluff
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I'd just swap stored power on hatt for psyshock or psychic

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ik stored power is on the dex set but its a bit situational imo

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oh and lefties over grassy seed

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lefties plus potential g terrain from rillaboom can be really potent

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since you're chip healing a ton and can even heal more from draining kiss

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it helps hatt maintain its longevity to try and keep hazards off

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and then just swords dance over moonblast on iron valiant and you should be good to go

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this then just looks like standard BO

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just be mindful of hazards trying to go up

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granted with taunt lando and hatt every hazard setter should have a means of being stopped

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aside from hisuian samurott but ngl against hamurott you just, blow it up with rillaboom or valiant

rose patrol
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and what should i change

tacit bluff
# rose patrol and what should i change

frankly, a lot

rain is already niche but you're really not doing yourself many favours with this squad of 6.

firstly, spidops is unviable, plain and simple, its a meme pick that doesn't do any single role better than the various other mons in the tier, nor does it really fit on this team

Floatzel is nearly entirely outclassed by barraskewda, who has extra coverage, is even faster and hits harder

not sure what hatterene and tinkaton are doing for you here, you're better off dropping them for some other rain abusers

I'd drop spidops tinkaton and hatterene and slot iron treads ogerpon wellspring and any other attacker tbh, rain tends to lean very offensive due to the short term nature of the weather condition. so its best if you make as much progress as you can during that time, you could go with zamazenta to soft check ogerpon and outspeed it, since ogerpon is by far the biggest issue for rain.

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iron treads also acts as a rock setter spinner and pivot, giving you a lot of key role compression, meanwhile ogerpon is just good under rain.

rose patrol
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Ok

trail whale
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hot dome
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Not the biggest fan of the physical weakness of the team, since it’s kinda bowled over by… a lot, but esp rmoon once balloon gets popped

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Not the biggest fan of enamorus either since even with tusk you’re going to find yourself getting chipped by hazards fairly easily considering tusk will get worn down fairly easily, especially without other physical tanks on this team

trail whale
hot dome
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Nah soul dew is the play

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Recovery + psychic noise can be really annoying for other teams to handle

trail whale
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oh

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what style would it be on

hot dome
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Bulky offense

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Here’s an example of Latios putting in the work (even though it loses in the end)

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Cm sets can get real nasty when most teams rely on ting lu

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Ngl this Latios hype got me hyped as well now I kinda wanna try it…

trail whale
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I will totally build a master team for you to use

cold cosmos
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hello

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i made 2 versions of this team

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good/scrappable?

silent hemlock
trail whale
hot dome
trail whale
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ty catheart

hot dome
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Lack of speed control might get a bit dicey but you should be fine imo

tepid hazel
trail whale
tacit bluff
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Taunt Lando helps but it's far from enough, this team would really appreciate tusk clicking rapid spin or bootspam

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Otherwise this is solid

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I think what I would do personally is swap iron valiant for tusk and then you should be good to go

I'm also personally not the biggest fan of double booster mons on BO but it's fine

cold cosmos
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yea ngl this is just an SS team

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like this just won't work in gen 9

cold cosmos
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it is?

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it wont?

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why not

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kind of a weak logic to scrap a team only based off of the fact it looks like a past gen team isnt it

leaden gorge
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but yeah please explain why it won't work instead of rattling off a one-liner

echo rampart
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and the whole premise the team is built around isnt viable anymore

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ignoring that excadrill and cb rillaboom kinda suck, ur also ruing drill even further by setting grassy terrain

cold cosmos
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CB RILLA SUCKS??

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isnt that wat it mainlyy runs

echo rampart
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i mean its like

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fine

cold cosmos
echo rampart
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but that mon isnt great in general outside of grassy seed spam stuff

cold cosmos
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used it to weaken eq for opps

echo rampart
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yea rilla is good if u build with it in mind but

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this just feels like a bunch of mons slapped together

cold cosmos
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fair fair

echo rampart
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there's also like 100 broken af mons in sv ou and ur not using any of them

cold cosmos
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lmfaoooo

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so true

leaden gorge
# echo rampart no but this is literally exactly an SS team

thanks for the feedback below but it's really not (e.g. one of Melmetal/Heatran are almost mandatory on Rillaboom BOs, Ttar + Drill sand is rarely paired with Rillaboom, etc), I'd appreciate you not making sweeping statements during your rates

echo rampart
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uh

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ok?

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the team is not viable there's not much else to say about it

leaden gorge
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that's fine, I'm just asking you to give a short explanation on why it doesn't work and not moan about how it's 'literally' from another metagame when that isn't the case

echo rampart
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yea im not moaning im making a joke

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the team is comprised of SS cores that dont exist in SV

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i got my point across i dont need to write an essay to do so

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if they want more info they can ask

knotty dome
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This is the first team I made, purely based off just what's good

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Need some input, thanks for helping :D

barren ridge
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Landorus Incarnate isn’t legal in OU

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What format did you build this for

knotty dome
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It's not incarnate

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wait no I'm confusing it with therian

knotty dome
barren ridge
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There’s a separate thread for it, DOU Rates

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This is singles

knotty dome
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Oh I'm sorry then.

barren ridge
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Nws

cold cosmos
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i just saw blimax uploaded a band ace video just after this

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im dying

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wellllllll he uploaded before but i saw it rn

frozen spoke
tacit bluff
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offensive utility does run bulk up i'm p sure

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so yeah offensive utility lol

frozen spoke
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Oh okay

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Offensive utility is knock off over bulk up

tacit bluff
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ah nvm

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mixing my sets up

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depends on what you want albeit offensive utility is more consistent at keeping hazards off so I'd go with that

frozen spoke
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Alrighty

tacit bluff
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I'd go with rocky helmet personally but booster energy also works if you wanna help with speed control

frozen spoke
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Yeah I think rocky healthy would be better since I already have Samurott-H for speed control

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Plus thunder clap

tacit bluff
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mhm

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although boots works too

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regardless aside from that

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this looks p good

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been enjoying using this team recently, I'm around 1500 rn! thought y'all would enjoy

rose patrol
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hey guys i am working on a team but its still being made

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wanna see how it looks so far

runic nebula
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You can’t send a team here unless if it’s finished

rose patrol
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oh ok

alpine hornet
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im inclined to just say check samples but

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if u would like lmk whether u were thinking an offense or balance angle with this and i can make some changes

rose patrol
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I actually improved it a bit

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Wanna see

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here is the improved team

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what do you think

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tacit bluff
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Uhhhhh

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Please playtest teams before posting them

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You're breaking species clause here

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You can't have both Ogerpon wellspring and teal

silent hemlock
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Huh

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Wrong teamwhat

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I was gonna try swapping wellspring and meow with prim and oger but went against it. Idk why that one still had oger

tacit bluff
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ok now its legal lmao

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ngl, idt raging bolt needs to be the pivot set here

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you also lack hazard control which kinda sucks for ogerpon wellspring

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wellspring appreciates a team with hazard control since its main weakness is being hazard weak

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you can at least absorb tspikes but everything else you don't have a means around

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you have 4 pivots also which is a bit overkill

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its not rly necessary

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lowk what I would do is make raging bolt booster energy, and then swap meow for smth like cinderace for hazards, you can then afford to make Lu stealth rocks instead, you can even make it rest talk ting lu or assault vest, the latter you'd have to be more careful with since then Ting lu lacks recovery.

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make sure you take out their hazard setter beforehand tho, if its gliscor wellspring should be able to handle it and raging bolt can if its picked up enough boosts, alternatively since you'd pack 3 ground weaks with cinderace, you can change your hazard setter to gliscor or lando t

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you'd then have a ground resist and immunity

silent hemlock
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Removing ting lu is kind of scary here though isn't it

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Feel like I'd be kind of moth weak

tacit bluff
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hmm true

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what about then you just commit to bootspam instead

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and then drop oger for another attacker

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although I still think your 4 pivots is overkill

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because you only have one major offensive threat rn

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unless we move around the pivots to stack less ground weaks while keeping cinderace

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and then keeping lu to check moth

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you can put zapdos over bolt and that shores up the ogerpon MU even more, cinderace over meow and then ting lu has rocks instead? and then I'm not sure how much pecha is needed, you kinda wanna try and facilitate offensive threats

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cause scizor is just a breaker and speed control not rly your main damage dealer

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wb zamazenta

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your fairy MU is fine thanks to another resist and dropping bolt who was weak for zap who is neutral and you have scizor so its not worsening that MU too much

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pecha is great with more offensive structures since parting shot helps to alleviate their lack of defensive merit but you have decent defensive mons here

silent hemlock
tacit bluff
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yeah thats solid

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rocks or spikes on lu is up to you but I think I like rocks more in this situation, you can also go with discharge on zap

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if you wanna wait for a second opinion feel free but this looks better to me

silent hemlock
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Discharge instead of twave?

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It looks better, I'm a bit iffy on the zama set though

tacit bluff
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ye

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you have some speed control already and tbh zap can already spread a ton of para by just existing

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and you keep an electric move that doesn't force you out

tacit bluff
alpine hornet
# rose patrol https://pokepast.es/605568adae766d12

this is looking more like offense so i would drop scor (and lowk would drop mienshao for zama but that’s up to you ig, if shao is your designated shitmon - it really doesnt fit here though) and add helmet tusk over scor instead. I’d also make rott av as this isnt full on HO either

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other than that looks fine i think, this just makes it more standard grassy hyper offense

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tacit bluff
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Everyone tilts to waterpon you simply weep and pray

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Zapdos has a better matchup into pon tho if you want to swap molt out for that

silent hemlock
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Yea I did see that team and try it a while ago and it lowkey felt like play rough oger 6-0'd it on occasion

tacit bluff
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That's cause it does

silent hemlock
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Zap might help molt felt good to use on it tho

tacit bluff
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Oger and kyurem are the bane of every balance team this Gen

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Kyurem MU should be doable tho

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I'm lowk thinking pecha can go somewhere too but prim adds a fair bit to this team

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Tough tbh

hot dome
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/grass if you still keep losing to play rough variants

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hot dome
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yeah that also works

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https://pokepast.es/67b1d783e87f1862 i wanted to try cm clef as a late game sweeper, any idea to improve the team ? it looks like ogerpon kinda break it all by himslef if zapdos dies

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sd gliscor stealth rock clefable spikes tinglu probably

tacit bluff
# fresh elm https://pokepast.es/03ccebd9ba93ccb9 HO(or atleast trying to be HO) built around...

this is ok but a few notable things jump out at me here

garchomp's set is really odd, without any speed investment you're left incredibly suceptible to any revenge killing attempt by the likes of iron valiant darkrai weavile kyurem ogerpon wellspring or nearly anything with strong super effective stab/coverage. and without a boosting move either your damage is good, but not great. tera dragon outrage is a scary button to click but a very risky one with prominent fairy types like iron valiant running around and the even bigger concern of tera fairy, leaving you completely vulnerable to be capitalised on for your passivity thanks to outrage locking you in. Garchomp can work and certainly can on HO, but defo not with this, it nearly always needs scale shot in order to patch up its otherwise just ok speed tier, as it infamously doesn't have the coveted dragon dance.

thundy is a good wallbreaker, but notice the "wallbreaker" part there, HO doesn't need breakers, and thus doesn't rly need nor want thundy especially a specs one over something like lorb or the more common heavy duty boots. thundy carries such good coverage and a ferocious stab combination when given flying coverage with tera blast, but even its electric stab is taking names as no ground wants to take grass knot. but having it be specs here can leave it very susceptible to being forced out, if a ground comes in. you don't really want it to be a specs pivot here, as HO doesn't really demand those, you want it to take games and take em quick. go with nasty plot tbh and pair it with good speed control options to handle the faster pokes in the tier, and thundy can end games in a couple turns.

scarf dengo is ok here, it has been used on HO before and serves as decent speed control, but tbh you have better options. this team isn't overly reliant on its hazards and you can afford to drop ghold here, if you did keep it I'd toss nasty plot over fblast personally, so you can have it setup and sweep post trick.

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the other three pokes are fine

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HO typically has a dedicated lead tho, we'll get to that in a second

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garchomp is good but I'd drop it for said lead, glimmora is a common one, deo s can work too, hamurott is good, araquanid if you want to switch to webs etc, I'd go with glimmora or hamurott personally, both are good, its up to you whether you want your lead to get up two hazards or be more aggro and click ceaseless edge a lot.

if you want to keep thundy as I said it does need speed control, put boots on it and drop knock off for nasty plot. that makes it the standard set and its most potent for this team

wellspring is fine, if you want knock over play rough thats also up to you. both work and it depends on how much you wanna beat certain pokes like Pecharunt and sinistcha over kyurem and dragonite. +knocking off boots is a consideration

you can keep ghold as a spinblocker scarf is again perfectly fine but just be aware of its shortcomings thanks to the movelock, although it fills good roles here like speed control and anti stall measures with trick. I'd say put nasty plot tho

a lot of your team as a result doesn't appreciate hazards very much, so you can slot on great tusk over zamazenta and make it the offensive bulk up set with rapid spin, thanks to booster speed it also becomes blazing fast after a rapid spin and can steal games if your opponent isn't careful, it also lets gholdengo wellspring and moth be less afraid of hazards

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if you want a priority user to help out even more with speed control, pokes like dragonite weavile and even kingambit are all options although its not strictly necessary

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your team becomes pretty fast with the addition of tusk

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anyway whole ass essay hope this helped tho

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oh one other thing, looking at this team again I actually feel like tera fairy thundy is better here

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the raging bolt MU without that can be a bit dicey, tera fairy blast not only gives thundy a means to hit it super effectively instead of it resisting every hit, but it hard walls raging bolt sets that don't run a coverage move thanks to volt absorb you're immune to both of its stabs

inland remnant
tacit bluff
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I might go over ur team in full later cause I'm a bit busy rn but one thing I will say is that for BO you don't need double hazards

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it looks a lot more like hstack balance

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you can just click spikes on ting lu and swap gliscor for sd

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cause ur lacking a bit of firepower

inland remnant
fresh elm
tacit bluff
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yh I discussed that option in my rate

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I think its a good idea

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but I also don't like specs thundy here

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ik I yapped a lot but I don't wanna repeat myself so if you want my full thoughts you can read up

fresh elm
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Tera flying thunderus hits really hard but now that I read it Tera fairy does sound better. I've never been good at OU, I think I peaked at like 1540ish one time but I've hovered around 1350-1370 since

fresh elm
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also lowk laddering is annoying sometimes I often hover around the 1600 range

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lmao

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cba to ladder a lot

low phoenix
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specs thundy fits more on teams that need an immediate wallbreaker like bulky offense/balance

tacit bluff
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ye

low phoenix
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that being said ive never used it cuz its speed tier just feels awkward

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im sure it has a niche tho because its breaking power is indeed insane

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outsped by wogerpon darkrai zamazenta and forcing to predict or get completely blanked by ting lu doesnt sound fun tho

tacit bluff
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it is not blanked by ting

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grass knot hurts

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a lot

low phoenix
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i mean if it clicks thunderbolt it is blanked

tacit bluff
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especially after a boost

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I mean yeah sure but thats why I said to drop specs

low phoenix
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if it clicks grass knot it hurts

tacit bluff
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lol

low phoenix
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but being forced to predict hurts for thundy t

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nasty plot thundy t can work on webs

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for similar reasons to wogerpon

tacit bluff
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I mean yeah its not that fast sure

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but with good speed control it don't matter

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you get rid of faster stuff than thundy and it shreds things with tbolt

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and its not like its slow either

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against bulkier teams its a real menace

low phoenix
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that is correct

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unrelated but how did you get the competitive helper role?

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for svou

tacit bluff
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applied to be a rater

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got accepted

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here we are

low phoenix
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oh

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how do you apply

fresh elm
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Flying Tera blast does 40+ on basically anything

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But 331 isn't as fast as I thought it was lmao

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Especially with how squishy he is

tacit bluff
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mhmmmm

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like I said you want speed control

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thundy works well with it

low phoenix
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ok ima try to do an actual rate for your team @fresh elm gimme a sec

tacit bluff
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lowk

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cause they haven't gotten one

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and I'm still a bit busy

low phoenix
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gimme a sec

tacit bluff
low phoenix
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after i yap about drowsys (Was in the middle of giving feedback)

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  1. This isn't the best Garchomp set you get outsped by mons like Raging Bolt Great Tusk so you cant really do anything vs them and outrage + brick break arent the best moves on chomp, change garchomp to its tankchomp set

  2. choice specs thundy is prob fine in itself since you have speed control but like nocturne said nasty plot seems better for this kind of offensive team since you arent as prediction reliant

  3. sd Ogerpon w + thundy t is kinda overkill imo but i want to add an offensive knocker to abuse the hazards that garchomp sets so change ogerpon w to roaring moon

low phoenix
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im not the biggest fan of spikes gliscor outside of stall tbh it feels like its too passive and gets beat by the more popular swords dance scor so id just change gliscor to sd and make ting lu your spiker or just change gliscor to skarmory with stealth rock and brave bird

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your team looks kinda weak to kingambit and lacking speed control change zapdos to boots zamazenta

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for your knockers you can change flamethrower on clefable to knock (calm mind + knock is a real set) and change rai to boots meowscarada

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@tacit bluff how did i do

tacit bluff
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p good

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disagree on the gliscor point tho but eh its down to preference rly

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I do agree that gliscor isn't needed tho but tbh my thought was double hazards on BO is not exactly, good

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well not bad but ykwim

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too passive

low phoenix
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something like this

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@inland remnant

low phoenix
inland remnant
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I’m gonna try the team later and i’ll give u my feedback

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I do like what i see on the paste tho

low phoenix
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bet

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good luck laddering!

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come back if u need any more advice

inland remnant
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Its indeed more aggressive and that’s fine cause the og team was pretty boring to play ngl

low phoenix
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feel free to tweak the team around if u like

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yea hazard stack is all about applying hazard pressure while still threatening offensively

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also check out the sample teams if you need inspiration

fresh elm
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Boots Tera Fairy Thundurus T

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Swap Garchomp for sticky web araquanid

Swap Ogerpon-W for Roaring Moon?

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Not sure whether to do booster Moon or, honestly I'm not sure what other sets it runs but I'm not sure if I wanna have two boosters on my team

tacit bluff
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Ngl I prefer hamurott over araquanid here

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But araq is fine too

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If you put araquanid on then I'd swap choice scarf on gholdengo for air balloon

fresh elm
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Id prefer webs cause it could let me get more value out of Thundurus

fresh elm
tacit bluff
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Cause you don't rly need the scarf then

fresh elm
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Is boots fine for Thundurus? Or do I go smth else

tacit bluff
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Boots is the best item for it

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Stealth rocks is a nasty thing

fresh elm
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Alright

fresh elm
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Do I just go booster moon?

tacit bluff
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Yeah

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It's fine to have two booster mons on HO ur not gonna be making many switches anyway

fresh elm
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True

inland remnant
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like in 10 games I only had one opportunity to set up cm

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most of the time he's just here to take hits and die

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dont know if its me who's playing the team bad or if clef sucks

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also your fat/stall mu is a little rough tbh, I’d run black glasses tdark gambit and or taunt rmoon here

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4 physattackers is also a little rough so id drop dnite for moth/ival asw

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narrow crest
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or do i go energy ball tera grass moth

alpine hornet
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narrow crest
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would sub be good here tho or nah

alpine hornet
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and u dont need sub for much else on this squad either lowk

narrow crest
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bet. thoughts on encore over knock on samu. ive run it a few times i find it nice but id like input

alpine hornet
low phoenix
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Knock off helps it deal with switchins such as slowking g and blissey

tawny olive
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How would I make this better?

low phoenix
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This looks like a team that would benefit from a specs Kyurem rather than a walking wake (which only fits on sun)

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For speed control you can slap on a mixed iron valiant over darkrai

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And change Corvi knight to kingambit

low phoenix
inland remnant
low phoenix
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No use a stealth rocker too

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I assume you’re still building around cm clef right

inland remnant
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Then maybe we replace meowscarda ? But i do like the coverage he brings to the team

low phoenix
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Are you fine with not using sd scor actually

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fair quest
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here is an OU team

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it has a strong core but im worried its too passive

tacit bluff
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untitled 17463

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anyway

tacit bluff
# fair quest https://pokepast.es/cd61274452b7fe6d

ngl this isn't too passive at all, u have good damage options and a good defensive core, my one issue is that play rough ogerpon can prove, problematic lets just say. you could rly use a solid ogerpon check. I'm thinking meowscarada or zapdos but leaning towards the former. since you also want a pivot, you can maybe swap clefable off for it and then make kyurem tera fairy to alleviate the roaring moon MU a bit without clef being there, kyurem is also usually dpulse but ig draco is fine (just don't miss lol)

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meowscarada isn't the most stalwart ogerpon answer but flower trick can be threatening

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if you want something better suited to taking a hit, zapdos works too

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but you lose a knocker

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which is fine you just become reliant on gliscor against opposing bootspam

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up to you in the end, meow usually has to come in after something has already fallen to the pon

low phoenix
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Wait

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@inland remnant

fair quest
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thank you for your wise insight smogon dr nugget

tacit bluff
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anytime

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but yeah this is good

low phoenix
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You can try cm clef with flamethrower

tacit bluff
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name ur teams tho like god damn 17k untitled teams

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😭

low phoenix
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Sd gliscor with facade knock

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Double hazard ting

fair quest
low phoenix
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Air balloon tw hex Ghold

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Dragon tail bulky dnite

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Boots zam

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With roar or heavy slam

fair quest
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believe it or not lyndon B was a menace back in the day

tacit bluff
hot dome
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Two win cons kinda absurd

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If anything a more defensive clef would probably be better

low phoenix
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I was thinking that

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But he wanted to build around cm clef

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And his team looked more like hazard stack initially

hot dome
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Then don’t run sd gliscor