SV OU Rates

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/d6d049d739207c70 🍿

The idea of Zoroark-H on this team is the mindgames it provides. Can pick up surprising KOs under the guise of a Ribombee lead. Helps that Fairy resists Dark & if I actually bring Ribombee then I can bait out a dark move and set up webs or stun spore.

Not OPTIMAL at ALL with Zoroark-H but I do like the utility it can provide.

[tacit bluff]

it was banned with like 91% in favour 😭

no one wants bro

[cold cosmos]

damn

[tacit bluff]

horoark in general is a niche mon with incredibly limited viable uses but this team does not help that very much

this is webs HO with few Webs abusers, all your attackers are either fast enough to generally not need webs or too slow to actually exploit them Horoark included, who is blazing fast and roaring moon who tends to not have issues with speed

A lot of these mons are just kinda odd, scarf iron moth is a set I'm honestly not sure exists, maybe it does but if so putting it on a team with no hazard removal is certainly a choice, this team in general is very weak to hazards and with no removal the longevity of a lot of your mons is cut into severely, this also makes focus sash horoark redundant as the sash would break 99% of the time

you lack the real sting in your step you need for a webs team, and a lot of these mons should be dropped tbh

you also defo want some form of hazard control

[hot dome]

Scarf moth does not exist

Also webs with no ghold makes me sad

[tacit bluff]

webs with no spinblockers in general

ig other than horoark

which is yeah, definitely a spinblocker of all time

I'd drop iron crown, horoark, and ursaluna, and swap them with stuff like gholdengo, great tusk and smth like raging bolt or darkrai make moth booster energy with sub+ 3 attacks and you should have a pretty standard webs team

also tera ground on roaring moon

[odd jackal]

Hard

[mortal edge]

The main thing is that I want to run Iron Moth with 250 SpA/250 Spe but Booster Energy boosts SpA instead if I max it out so I ran Scarfed so that I could have a fast Moth that can use it's SpA at it's fullest potential.

Looking back, Fiery Dance compensates for that. I think I will drop Scarf & switch to Booster.

This is one of my first times teambuilding so I lack basic fundamentals. Please do understand.

Hoping posting my team here would help my teambuilding.

[tacit bluff]

The point is to get better after all

[mortal edge]

Thank you for your understanding. Have a great day going forward!

[empty acorn]

https://pokepast.es/e3eb5c444cb95e33

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[open kite]

https://pokepast.es/cc8c446b7fea467e

[tepid hazel]

You should run swords Dance lefties samurott, kinda better

[open kite]

[tepid hazel]

it depends on what you use samurott for

[tacit bluff]

Do not run sd hamurott

You're rarely finding a setup opportunity

And you're not fast enough to capitalize on the attack boost

Samurott's damage output is threatening enough naturally thanks to sharpness

[open kite]

reccomending sd lefties hamurott is literally just trolling thats why i replied to you with a clown emote

[tacit bluff]

This is evidently leaning to balance/stall, I'm not the best with these kinds of teams but in Gen 9 they tend to go very bootspam and pick up most of their damage through hazards, hamurott is a hazard setter but a pretty aggro one that won't be able to get up spikes consistently throughout a game especially since your only form of hazard control removes your own spikes. Hence it's usually on more aggressive teams since it lacks longevity as it has no reliable recovery

Aside from that this looks ok, I'd maybe make scizor knock off over facade? Since you want your opponent to take hazard chip, and then swap hamurott for a different spikes setter

[open kite]

do you mean gliscor not scizor

[tacit bluff]

Yeah don't run sd hamurott lololol

Gliscor could be your spikes setter for sure

You could then swap hamurott for some bulky attacker to make up for the loss of sd gliscor

AAA zama maybe, or maybe prim idk

You could wait for someone else to help you out with this I ain't the best with this team structure

[open kite]

thats fair

[tacit bluff]

It looks ok to me though, hamurott is the only thing that seems a bit out of place

I'm also personally not a fan of corv but it works here

[open kite]

i could swap corv for like a spinner, and then put skarm as a spiker but that would kill a lot of the momentum on the team

[tacit bluff]

Yeah gliscor sorry

It's nearly 12 am I'm tired

[tacit bluff]

Yeah you wanna keep your pivots

[open kite]

np, ur fine, im not the most experienced with balance either, im better with building specifically fat and stall stuff

[tacit bluff]

Someone better than me could probably push you in the right direction since I'd rather not give bad advice lol

[tacit bluff]

I'm the opposite I usually run offence

I suck at playing fatter teams lmfao

[charred canopy]

sd samurott is very good but don't run leftovers

for that team av is probably fine though

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/47deaba5818b062a was trying to go for a BO team, how is this

[quaint anvil]

Can anyone give a core idea about a HO team?

[tacit bluff]

I've never seen it ngl 😭

I just don't think it's worth it most of the time, your damage output is good enough and you're not bulky enough to get off sd very often

Granted +2 hamurott is scary

[charred canopy]

It rips apart any defensive team and gets setup on stuff like gholdengo and forced switche

and you don't need a fourth move

[low phoenix]

triple dark (kingambit, roaring moon, hisuian samurott

[quaint anvil]

Ok

[rancid shale]

thinking about changing keldeo to specs on that old keldscor team

it’s just lacking in initial power, so u cant break thru much without hazard support

so if u have boots alomomola + a knock absorber u just lose

heres my version of the team as-is for reference: https://pokepast.es/896d4499c9900ca6

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rancid shale]

is this a good idea?

[hot dome]

A: this isn’t your team, so this isn’t the chat to ask

B: without boots keldeo gets ripped apart by hazards

The whole point is that you have hazards to help break

[rancid shale]

k

where do i ask about teams that arent mine

[hot dome]

#comp-general

[rancid shale]

I will get qualified advice there?

[hot dome]

that's the channel you ask the questions in

this is for teams you built

[quartz stream]

https://pokepast.es/bc2230829835f12b

how's this team look?

[hot dome]

uhhhhh

[hot dome]

please dont build a ho like this

reflect zamazenta isn't good (what mon are you even trying to beat with reflect that you can't already with idbp) + the evs aren't good, rocks tusk and scarf darkrai are both not very good on hyper offense, and 3 attack special val isn't very good either + specs glimmora isn't a viable set

now you can pivot this to a solid ho team by just swapping a few sets (also once again please build your own teams not take others)

calm mind over encore valiant, just run standard idbp zamazenta, lead glimmora, bulk up tusk/drop tusk for Iron Moth to shore up your fairy weakness and np darkrai

[quartz stream]

ty

this was mainly a meme team, I wanted to win with a RMT team but it wasn't my style of team

[hot dome]

please don't post meme teams we'll just tell you to go back to a viable team

[quartz stream]

wdym reflect zamazenta isn't viable :madge:

it worked in low ladder

what should I drop for Nasty Plot? my heart says Focus Miss but that might be a bad idea

[hot dome]

just look at the smogon sets for them

[quartz stream]

smogon set says "pick 2 of the following 3"

[hot dome]

then do it

[quartz stream]

ok I have a gambit answer so I'll drop focus blast

[misty basin]

Oh right markdown

https://pokepast.es/75c4bbe1ac38d9c4

Might switch off the enamorus for something else

It's a terribly built team with no defensive backbone whatsoever

[low phoenix]

if youre running hyper offense you dont need a defensive backbone

change blaziken to lead focus sash glimmora darkrai to standard booster roaring moon zamazenta to its body press set iron valiant to its standard cm encore set and enamorus to a sweeper of your choosing

[quartz stream]

no item zamazenta?

lefties Blaziken seems pointless, blaz dies to everything anyways and +12.5% HP won't change that

timid on Val with Knock Off is counterproductive, go with a -Def or -SpD

and go CC over Aura Sphere probably if you're mixed

else go Calm Mind over Koff

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/12ad94aab83b6506 Can't remove Basculegion-F because I'm challenging myself to build a Rain Team with it.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

looks like a pretty normal rain team but rillaboom isn't really needed here

make treads the default booster lead set and fix ur nature on landorus

[mortal edge]

I figured it would be a good grass type to go along as a wallbreaker for rain.

[echo rampart]

meh

[mortal edge]

Oh it's nature is messed up?

[echo rampart]

u want jolly

one tech i rlly like on rain is scarf samurott with aerial ace for waterpon

bc it's sharpness boosted

for the rillaboom slot i would honestly just use raging bolt bc it's good af

[misty basin]

Ight thanks for the help I'll try it out

[echo rampart]

personally i would go scarf samu, raging bolt > rillaboom, diff treads set, and replace lando with kingambit bc its good lol and you dont need a scarfer

[mortal edge]

Yeah, my main issue was Scarf getting in the way of KOs & I often find myself forced to switch which really opens me up to exploitation so thanks for the heads up.

Kingambit is an option I consider. I figured that due to Basculegion's extreme breaking power I wouldn't need it but I will try it out.

[misty basin]

Now what sweeper should I use

I wanted to try out Cinderace but I need to know what other options are there

[tacit bluff]

cinderace ain't a good sweeper

sd race is fake

libero nerf meaning it doesn't get stab on literally every attack made its threat level drop off a ton

especially because if you use sd you become a normal type lol

so it would be blaze which then isn't very strong

[regal ginkgo]

Cinderace (Gen 9)

Typing

Fire

Abilities

0: Blaze | H: Libero

Base Stats (BST: 530)

80 / 116 / 75 / 65 / 75 / 119

Weight

33 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

12.5% Female

[quartz stream]

eh that's not bad, but not good either
cinderfraud

[blazing swallow]

how do i fix this: https://pokepast.es/46d859ca851b94e7

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

what's the issue you're having?

this might be a little too passive for a balance team, IDK

[cold cosmos]

no rocks

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/1f4e66fd68b82936

im having gholdengo issues + a lil Tera fairy raging bolt issues

Actually, somebody just send me some subtect Kyurem teams, I crave for some viable stuff

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/fd3feb16d2423d24

https://pokepast.es/482cedaec45f5ace

https://pokepast.es/110290dc2e767466

[clever rover]

🔥

[clever rover]

Hmmmm where did u get this one?

Looks fun

[cold cosmos]

sample

[clever rover]

Oh cool

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/3732deb783f80a3c
ig this is kinda good (ogerpon grass)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

this is NOT balance

[pale sand]

https://pokepast.es/31247018f375f90d

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/c6d3b5c4187eefe4
Subtect Kyurem Offense, Im struggling with ghold somewhat and I wanna keep this team offensive to keep battles under 20 minutes long.

(Sorry cartridge wincon)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

decided to swap out cc and made a few changes, Wisp misses so much its not even funny

but if its better then I guess its better

[cold cosmos]

have you considered

curse garg rocks tusk

and maybe specs pult

[stuck wren]

https://pokepast.es/217501f70e460a76

[quartz stream]

contrary scarf enam with no tera blast stellar?

[charred canopy]

thats a sz team

[quartz stream]

why sassy 4 atk on clef?

probably best to go -atk, no? since you're not running koff clef for the damage

probably also want uturn on pult

[blazing swallow]

no point of rocks as i have defog corv

[hot dome]

If you’re balance you always need hazards

Doesn’t matter if you have defog

[tribal meadow]

https://pokepast.es/8d348de3911c7691

i attempted to make an enamourus offense team

i chose enamourus because I noticed how well fairies match up offensively against the meta game

i've had the problem of it being nowhere near bulky enough to set up it's calm mind

also any other critiques would be nice aswell

also i've felt kinda weak against kyurem since i added gholdengo (originally that was av iron crown)

[eager plaza]

Bump

[floral burrow]

tried to make a priority spam offense https://pokepast.es/6b6a2e26be8fd3e5

feel super weak to corv tho

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/6be085eaf35b97a9

I got inspired by pinkacross with this really funny ival set, any ideas on how to improve this team?

[clever rover]

You can swords dance on the switch then oneshot it with Tera dark cleave, many corv doesn’t run speed.

[broken shard]

https://pokepast.es/9a18a4b669f31868 👉👈

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Most of these are fine although I do question the choice of banded hamurott and pecha in general here

I feel sinistcha or gholdengo would make a better spinblocker ngl

Yeah pecha can provide a sacrificial pivot with memento but it is ur only spinblocker so sacrificing it for momentum maybe ain't the best thing to do especially when it's not thaaat fast to get memento off consistently, I've never tried aggressive pecharunt but I do think cm sinistcha or recover ghold would be better off

This team doesn't need scarf hamurott sure but idk if I fw banded, imo you'd rather be able to click all your good buttons

It's not bad tho

Maybe sd works instead

Or just av or boots even idk, it has noticeably lower damage output tho

Oh something else you defo want at least one knocker

Which you currently don't have

So knock on hamu over sacred sword or aqua jet if you wanna keep the coverage of sacred sword for other hamurott

[broken shard]

cause pecha is lowkey him

but yeah I liked the idea of immediate damage with banded samu

but sd is better

ur right

[tacit bluff]

Don't get me wrong I love pecha as well but it's not that threatening tbh

I find it's usually better on balance or BO rather than webs

Cuz it's special attack even after a boost isn't blowing everything over yk

[broken shard]

fair enough

[tacit bluff]

Again, not that bad tbh

Since your stab combination is pretty powerful and against the one thing that hard walls you (kingambit) you can memento for free

You can make another version with smth like sinistcha and try it out

[broken shard]

how does a gambit hard walla tusk and sacred sword (which ill remove for knock) samu

[broken shard]

yeah ill prolly play it save and use dengo

[tacit bluff]

talking about pecha

[broken shard]

oh

mb

[tacit bluff]

like if gambit is their last mon and you have pecha out you lowkey just win

unless ur last mon is also pecha

in which case

[broken shard]

speed tie

😭

[tacit bluff]

nah nah you pull the flawless strat

of forfeiting

🔥

[broken shard]

heh

cause im modest

[tacit bluff]

you have webs up tho

but yo ass ain't beating last mon kingambit with just pecha lololol

[broken shard]

tera fighting

[tacit bluff]

otherwise tho you memento and then send in tusk or hamu and its ggs

[broken shard]

if I were to use sinisticha what set would I use

[tacit bluff]

the standard calm mind set

Calm mind strength sap shadow ball and matcha gotcha

you wall great tusk and waterpon giga hard

annoy tf out of zama with potential burns

especially cuz you're immune to body press

you have heatproof so you're not even that scared of molt

[broken shard]

i just realised without pechu i have 0 fairy resists

[cold cosmos]

whoever made this must be so mid am i right t.t

[broken shard]

heyyyy

I got to 1700's with it

so

and most ppl said its pretty solid

[clever rover]

bump

[hot dome]

i swear that is just modified duckular webs but wtv

(not you pigbeeef)

[hot dome]

vaccum wave on val is on the nicher side already but its definitely not necessary on webs

other than that, mostly solid, though you might want to drop val for a ground resist in wellspring if you find yourself struggling, and i dont find val to be the best pick on webs teams

[clever rover]

it did save me from random boot spam FT darkrai teams before, but sure, lemme swap it to wellspring rq

but what set though? trailblaze?

[hot dome]

nah

you're webs already just run play rough/encore

[clever rover]

I sure hope I dont run into any boots wisp cteam darkrai sets

[alpine hornet]

lowk disagree, if ur booster spatk ival wave is always good

even on webs its nice to hit weav, meow, krai

[hot dome]

Vaccum wave is 100% not necessary on webs

Sure it has utility, but you would rather have moves like Encore/Tbolt which give you much better odds into checks you struggle against like Moltres and bulky spdef mons, instead of dark types you already threaten out

[alpine hornet]

also fair yeah

i think any of the above can work depending on the team comp

[blazing swallow]

Does the team look good now? https://pokepast.es/e5f134f85471c619

Added rocks on ting Lu

[quartz stream]

agreed on the tbolt front
(damn my other messages got deleted by bad internet)

you might even want to go psyshock

since that 2HKOs blissey and lets you 6-0 stall

[hot dome]

not really especialy with the rise of corv and the fact that they can just tera out of it

if you aren't experienced in the tier please don't give advice

[blazing swallow]

Huh

[hot dome]

psyshock val is a nice way to pressure stall but the only other mon that can follow up on said pressure on this team is gambit (which stall has ways around) and otherwise stall doesn't really mind teraing clod/pex/blissey to handle val

now if it was psyshock val with waterpon it would be a lot better, or even waterpon + val + gambit

but just psyshock + gambit isn't enough to stall break (and val isnt the best fit for this team anyways imo, wellspring would be much better)

[quartz stream]

true, I guess that's something that works only better on my team, and I run tbolt for corv

how strong is webs rn? it doesn't seem very common

[hot dome]

Decently strong

[coarse silo]

https://pokepast.es/381c1e295cc640f8 got me to high 1300s and low 1400s, yes i know the fighting weakness

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[coarse silo]

how i use it is mostly the mainstream way of using fear, but if the opponent doesnt attack i can switch to tyranitar and since they usually have 4% health left it kills then by the end of the next turn

sometimes i use tyranitar first and what that does if they dont have ghost types is they go to a pokemon with multihit moves when donphan is out, then get hit with endeavor dropping them to 4 hp and sandstorm kills

[coarse silo]

unrelated but i just got the paldean clodsire ex card

[tacit bluff]

what on earth am I looking at 😭

only 2 of these pokemon are actually in OU that are also running viable sets meanwhile the third decent set is on gweezing who is fine sometimes, does not help the fact that the rest of this team is hot ass I'm sorry

sand with no sand abusers is certainly a choice

and FEAR is a joke strat

it could maybe pick up a funny ko every now and then but any competent player would just play around it

or yknow

use gholdengo

or any other ghost for that matter

so basically, this is not good, like at all, sand is already kinda fringe but good sand teams are at least genuinely viable even if they're very specific, this just isn't one of those sand teams

[coarse silo]

ive swept teams, my only main issue is ghost types but offensive ting lu tera dark throat chop should ohko gholdengo

[tacit bluff]

you've swept teams because you're at low ladder

which isn't a good assessment of a team's actual viability

p much anything can get by at the 1300 range or around it

cheesy strats especially do well down there but there's a reason why no one actually runs FEAR in a serious setting

[coarse silo]

ok but im tired of ou teams being "pick 6 good pokemon who at most cover eachothers weaknesses"

[tacit bluff]

(cause its terrible)

like ghost types aside status just beats the strat

[coarse silo]

ive gotten to 1500 with a fear variation on national dex doubles

[coarse silo]

if they run toxic i tera steel

will o wisp is most commonly seen on dragapult

[tacit bluff]

and molt

[coarse silo]

which i cant beat anyways

[tacit bluff]

you also just lose to hazards cuz no sturdy lol

[coarse silo]

havent encountered him in a while

[coarse silo]

ever heard of defog?

[tacit bluff]

your 1 and literally only form of hazard removal

[coarse silo]

galarian weezing is great

[tacit bluff]

who gets sent into the next dimension by the most common spinblocker

[coarse silo]

you cant spinblock him

neutralizing gas

[tacit bluff]

sure you defog in front of ghold then you lose gweezing

it dies to make it rain

[coarse silo]

tera flying

thats why i love it

[tacit bluff]

you're still losing gweezing

the point of gweezing isn't to defog in front of ghold its to enable you to remove hazards regardless of gholdengo switching in or not

because gweezing loses to ghold

like nearly every time

[coarse silo]

but it works and can only be stopped by an ohko

[tacit bluff]

and then once it goes down

then what

they just get hazards up again

[coarse silo]

then the hazard setter is dead

[tacit bluff]

hazard stack is so common in gen 9

[coarse silo]

and even if, i still have zamazenta and kingambit which i use well

[tacit bluff]

notice how there's so many things that need to happen for this to work

this tends to be a sign that FEAR isn't good

because its not good 😭

[coarse silo]

notice how i disproved most of em

[tacit bluff]

and again donphan aside, the set on ttar and ting lu are not viable

[tacit bluff]

literally how

[coarse silo]

ting lu is soley a counter to ghost

[tacit bluff]

you disproved of them by saying if I get hazards off and don't lose gweezing and also get rid of their hazard setter

which isn't exactly consistent

[coarse silo]

i know how to make it work most of the time

pokemon is a game that uses rng

[tacit bluff]

and again FEAR loses to the myriad of ghosts that run around the tier

[coarse silo]

2

ghold and dragapult

ive checked rankings

[tacit bluff]

and those 2 are some of the most used pokes

[coarse silo]

thats why i have offensive ting lu

[tacit bluff]

gholdengo is on over 21% of all teams

[tacit bluff]

which isn't a real set ftr

[coarse silo]

tera dark throat chop ohkos

[coarse silo]

doesnt have to be

doesnt wolfeyvgc use absurd and smart stratagies

its so dumb it might work

and i know what pokemon i can set up zamazenta on

great tusk cant hit zamazenta

only problem i see is fighting weakness

[tacit bluff]

look, this is the channel where you get your teams rated based on their viability, I told you why this team is not viable, if you're not gonna heed that advice then just don't post the team

every rater is gonna tell you that FEAR is not viable, nor is AV ting lu, nor is this a proper sand team without pokes like excadrill ie sand abusers cuz then why run the weather

[coarse silo]

i need to know how it can improve

give me a ghost counter

give me better teras

im a fan of donphan

[tacit bluff]

keyword is smart

plus you're not wolfey, he constructs his teams with innovative strats sure but they work off of a general baseline strat that is viable and is typically seen as contenvional, he just understands the game so well to where he knows when the off meta pick works or when it doesn't

also vgc is different to gen 9 ou so the innovations there would take a different direction

[coarse silo]

then what should i use to take down ghold and dragapult

[tacit bluff]

you could also just not run FEAR

and make this a decent sand team

by switching a couple things around

you already have a solid core in Zamazenta and kingambit + ttar

those are your 3 best assets

from there its just a lil fixing

[coarse silo]

ill consider it, but i need a ghost counter

[tacit bluff]

you already have kingambit so ghosts shouldn't pose much of a problem to begin with, but if you want another one darkrai also beats the ghosts

[coarse silo]

maybe better items or tera types

[tacit bluff]

although its rarely run on sand

[coarse silo]

kingambit is usually a final pokemon, and isnt darkrai a nasty plot setup sweeper

[tacit bluff]

alternatively you could target gholdengo's secondary typing of steel and go with excadrill over gweezing for hazards

sure rapid spin is blocked by gholdengo but excadrill is gonna take gholdengo down anyway

even if its air balloon, its then just two hits away from dying instead of 1

[coarse silo]

what about ballon ghold

hm

[tacit bluff]

and depending on ev spreads its not gonna take you out with shadow ball

[coarse silo]

you said a problem was i only had one hazard clearer

[tacit bluff]

252 SpA Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 189-223 (52.3 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[coarse silo]

hmm, what about dragapult

[tacit bluff]

its a problem cuz ur running fear

otherwise its fine

which I already said is not a good idea

donphan unfort isn't that good in OU

its a very solid UU mon tho

[coarse silo]

i want more sync in my pokemon that isnt just weather that most of my pokemon require to work

[tacit bluff]

the nice thing about zama and kingambit is that they don't need weather to work

kingambit doesn't mind sand cuz its immune meanwhile zama can chip heal

so they work both in and out of sand

[coarse silo]

you havent told me a dragapult counter

[tacit bluff]

specially defensive ting lu checks it but dragapult's big thing is that its hard to pin down due to it being so fast and also spamming U turn

scarf darkrai checks it

threatens an ohko while also outspeeding

[coarse silo]

seems legit, can it ohko ghold

[tacit bluff]

dealing with dragapult is honestly a combination of forcing it in several times and chipping away at it

since it can't heal

and eventually its gonna fold to an attack

since its not that bulky either

[coarse silo]

does it run focus sash

[tacit bluff]

no

[coarse silo]

what does it run

[tacit bluff]

its pivot set runs boots

it then also has a choice specs and choice band set

those are its most common items

[tacit bluff]

it depends on the ghold set but if its offensive nasty plot gholdengo then yeah it ohkos

[coarse silo]

alright, ill switch offense ting lu for darkrai choice scarf

[tacit bluff]

if its bulky gholdengo then it lives the dark pulse

[coarse silo]

hm

[tacit bluff]

but it also can't switch in

[coarse silo]

well then

[tacit bluff]

and you do also have kingambit if need be

as well as a potential excadrill

oh yeah and ghold can't touch ttar

[coarse silo]

imma get darkrai for ting lu, ill see if i need excadrill

[tacit bluff]

if ttar lives long enough

[coarse silo]

isnt steel super effective against rock

[tacit bluff]

but thats another answer

[tacit bluff]

correct but if you make it specially defensive instead of physically defensive you should live a make it rain pretty easily

[coarse silo]

its already a mixed support

gtg

[tacit bluff]

actually you don't need specially defensive ttar

252 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 242-288 (59.9 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO you live one

and then threaten knock

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/c7fa984d380b404e 🏃👹

[alpine furnace]

Decided to jump into gen 9 ou again

https://pokepast.es/77216bb1d811f546 is this team any good?

[quartz stream]

looks like a pretty solid webs team

what's pelipper doing here though?

nothing on your team takes advantage of its rain, if you want a pivot go with lando or smth

or alom

[quartz stream]

this team seems solid, every set is viable enough

although I'm not an expect on the actual team composition and team synergy

[alpine furnace]

Might change to plot ghold and twave/wisp pivot pult

Any raters online?

[stray quest]

https://pokepast.es/9f0cee510c960407 idk just bowling over opponent with physical threats until kingambit can hopefully sweep

[hot dome]

please do not give advice if you are not experienced and skilled in the tier

[quartz stream]

https://tenor.com/view/warner-1984-gif-11741495491311096998

[hot dome]

yes, because you are giving poor advice that is often straight up wrong

[quartz stream]

sadge, I can't spread uninformed takes

[hot dome]

and it is better for them to recieve no advice and to repost their team later, than for you to give wrong advice and they then take it and apply it to ladder

[quartz stream]

ok I will unfollow post

[stray quest]

you should give me advice idc if its wrong

[hot dome]

this webs team unfortunatley has several flaws, keyly being that there... isn't really any webs abusers here? webs is a hyper offense style, meaning you need to surround it with a lot of sweepers that can abuse the speed drop from webs while also putting enough pressure to prevent your opponent from removing the webs
This team does not achieve that, unfortunatley, as pelipper and treads are extremely poor fits here (pelipper is basically useless without a full rain team behind it, and treads is a ho lead but you already have that slot taken by ribombee), moltres-galar is a sweeper but its a poor one that struggles into a lot of the threats in the tier like Kingambit, Zamazenta, and Iron Valiant, and you cannot ensure you have Tera to bail yourself out of them (and even then Kingambit has a good chance to beat you + you now have a tera hog that isn't the greatest either), Colbur Gholdnego isn't bad but you really need to make it NP because without NP its a pretty poor offensive mon, and specs kyurem is unfortunately pretty easy to pivot around since its choice locked + kyurem isn't a very solid pick on webs teams in general

https://pokepast.es/9d7850f75a637c8e
Fwiw here's a semi-standard webs team with Araquanid over Ribombee as a setter: Gholdengo is an essential pick on webs teams but it's the offensive set, surrounded by other sweepers like Kingambit, Iron Moth, and Raging Bolt that appreicate the speed drop to be able to sweep teams more effecitvley, and Booster Attack Great Tusk (a bit unconventional) to give this team a strong immediate firepower optino while also coming with a nice bonus of soft-checking certain MUs like opposing Kingambit and Raging Bolt that can be a little rough, while also offering Rapid Spin

[blazing swallow]

https://pokepast.es/ec9dcbcf00f9c0da does this look good?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stuck wren]

should i keep wisp or t wave

[quartz stream]

ask @hot dome

[hot dome]

wisp is better

btw i would swap clod for ting lu

it would be better for this team + loves wish passing from clef

dont really like your lack and pivot and think fitting gking somewhere here would be nice but then you don't have a knocker so ig clef stays

could swap out kingambit for a faster dark type/knocker and then clef for gking but current team isn't the worst

[stuck wren]

would this work ?https://pokepast.es/b41abaef773f9a7f

[hot dome]

definitely not

you want your knocker to be able to switch in more than one time

you want a knocker like weavile or meow

[stuck wren]

ok thank you

[alpine furnace]

On that note, if your still here. What do you think of the team?

https://pokepast.es/a2dfca5d5fbc8d94

[low phoenix]

This team looks like to be a balance, so Iron moth doesn’t fit here

And most of your team gets cooked by waterpon and dragapult by itself isn’t really sufficient

So probably dragapult to Zamazenta(if you want) iron moth to zapdos

[alpine furnace]

Made the changes

https://pokepast.es/784f1e4305f523d9

I assume rocks + spikes is enough to make up for no immediate wall breaker or should I use all out attacking zamazenta over iron press

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal meadow]

https://pokepast.es/49b6a4d31573c6d5

[tribal meadow]

my attempt at and offense team (with some help from the ou discord)

[clever rover]

This team looks like it’s gonna struggle into moltres

Maybe Tera fire on gambit could be useful against it

[tribal meadow]

yeah thats what i've learned in testing

how would you reccomend fixing it

[alpine hornet]

make cindy blaze, gambit tera fire, and u could make lando stone edge over taunt

[tribal meadow]

Thanks

[alpine hornet]

oh and make lando timid

just noticed u have jolly ep lando

i would also make rillaboom just hit 250 speed here

and rest in hp

[ocean python]

Is this a decent team? I’ve played it and it’s definetly my best so far but idk if it could be improved

[alpine hornet]

wrong channel, you’d be better off checking in the vgc rates thread

[ocean python]

Alr

[rancid shale]

whats 250 speed rilla for

Modest bolt i guess?

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/6e9301483377bad3 🕸️ 🚧

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

ur team barely even benefits from webs

make moth spatt booster at least imo

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/d4f2000e7ac64ef9 is this better?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/7aec4c04ad6446cf trying to make some type of latios bulky offense team, feels good in some ways but in others not so much

Big thing is it feels super weak to hazards, specifically hamurott lead is miserable to go up against

Also if there is any way I can swap out ogerpon I'd love that because this is genuinely the worst feeling mon I've ever used lol

[willow prairie]

https://pokepast.es/624455a4e53c5c4d

any tips?

[obtuse knot]

p2 over porygon

[willow prairie]

bruh wait

im a idiot

why am i using that

[cold cosmos]

why gravity though

why even porygon

[willow prairie]

cuz earthquake

can hit more

with grav

ice doesnt do as much as i want it to

[cold cosmos]

😭

i

really dont want to comment on this team

[willow prairie]

please do

[cold cosmos]

im not good enough to comment tbhhhh

what i would say is

p2 is wack

just use hatt or something if you wish to

not gonna comment more

[civic lion]

https://pokepast.es/7fd3cd3cea3f04e7

any tips for improving this team?

[alpine furnace]

Any raters on line wanna take a look at this team?

Its similar to the last one I posted, is it any good?

https://pokepast.es/a81137992037ae0d

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude shuttle]

Hi

Can someone rate this team? https://pokepast.es/3cc47af9331a42c6

I made it in under 4 minutes and I wanna see how I did

[clever rover]

Dozo doesn’t fit on most teams outside of hard stall and maybe a couple exceptions

Random ahh mons of different archetypes slapped onto one team

Pick and focus on one first

[crude shuttle]

It’s so hard making cores tho

If I use a core people are like “you can’t use ___ because it’s ___ and not (this teams archetype)”

Oop I didn’t know I could do that

[clever rover]

it just does not fit and is passive asf

expecially when you are using subsitute

like lmao?

[alpine furnace]

Any thoughts on my team?

[clever rover]

I would personally do max spdef over HP, since alo already has a massive 165 Hp, so adding more isnt as worthy.

[willow prairie]

https://pokepast.es/1d63c810d9c145b6 any tips

[sleek moth]

why curse

do swords dance

its already slow enough for trick room

[clever rover]

the whole team seems bad tbf

[willow prairie]

wait it has swords dance?

[willow prairie]

explain pls

[willow prairie]

cuz dodonzo

is the slower or the same speed as him

i have him on a neg speed nature too

[clever rover]

Dozo is mostly stall exclusive and ursa destroys most stall anyways

[hot dome]

this team is a very strange mix between balance, hyper offense, and trick room

for reference, you should not be mixing these styles: they are extremly anti-synergistic to each other

p2 is especially a troom exclusive and ursaluna basically is one too, val ghold moth is a decent hyper offense core but then you also have garg here? which only works on like the bulkiest of offenses/balance teams

so your team is really split between three different identities, which isn't really great

i would recommend just picking onea dn sticking to it: if you want to run trick room, build a core of ursaluna + hatterene + kingambit + insert setter/slow breaker here

btw, i would recommend looking at the smogon sets for these mons since ursaluna's evs are kinda weird and idt they meet any thresholds so its better to just max max bulk atk

same with p2

if you want to run hyper offense, stick to moth valiant (maybe drop ghold not the biggest fan of it on non-webs teams), and then surround them with a hyper offense lead like glimmora/landorus/hisuian samurott, then other sweeper teammates like roaring moon, dragonite, kingambit, zamazenta, etc etc etc

if you want to run balance you really need to revamp the teams so id direct you to samples for that one, which you can find here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[clever rover]

^ there we go, the detailed explanation we needed

[willow prairie]

trick room is kind of hard to set up tho

plus it doesnt even last all that long

[hot dome]

Which is why you need to build a team around it with several breakers and setters to maximize the value you can get

[willow prairie]

my game plan rn with the team is

two sets of plans

start up garg

stall the hell out of them

[clever rover]

Garg isn’t gonna wall entire teams until the things that threatens it are gone

Or the opponent is really bad

[willow prairie]

then after it goes down go into either gholdengo early to use my hyper offense mons early accordingly and take down most of thier pokemon and when im down to my last two i make sure they dont have much to hit my ursaluna with and set up trick room and basiscly sweep the three or so mons they have left

or do the opposite

and use my trick room early

really depends on their team

[hot dome]

Ok but this doesn’t work against solid-good players in practice

[willow prairie]

yeah i know

its a team i made to get elo

cuz like im at 1300 elo

and everyone is so random

i kinda have to prepare for everything

and throw off their whole balance and still do insane damage

[hot dome]

Ok but a good team does the same

While being more reliable

[willow prairie]

not in lower elos man

[hot dome]

I’ve given you the feedback above, it’s up to you whether you want to take it or not

[willow prairie]

u have no idea how much they get shut down

with the most bs u have ever seen

[hot dome]

Trust me I know I’ve wasted too much time doing suspects

But we don’t rate teams off of “will they pass the low ladder check”

If you’re looking for a team for that, this isn’t the place

[willow prairie]

alright then

[north nimbus]

On a side note good teams will pass through low elo, yes sometimes you will encounter nonesense but it’s all about being patient and moving on instead of how do I adapt to low elo

[silent hemlock]

Would rly appreciate a look at this team if someone can

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/8b56e1d55a107f1f 🌊 🕸️

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stray quest]

https://pokepast.es/7fdbeb1ff83a3741 team mainly made to set up a kingambit sweep

[cold cosmos]

kingambit doesnt sweep it RKs

[stray quest]

rks?

[cold cosmos]

revenge kils

[stray quest]

na it sweeps

[cold cosmos]

💀

👍 you do u

[stray quest]

already was in fact i just posted a team around that idea

[mortal edge]

I would rather go full 252/4/252 EV spread on Tusk & Roaring Moon. Additionally, Trailblaze is horrible on Zamazenta because the guy, with a 132 base speed, does not need a speed boost. You're better off running coverage like Stone Edge to hit Flying types that would hit you for super effective. Moreover, since you're running Leftovers Gholdengo, I would go with a more supportive set of Thunder Wave & Hex. But, if you want this guy to actually sweep, you might want to go Air Ballon & Nasty Plot.

Also Kingambit is.... a bad Sweeper. It's more fitting as a mon that comes in & quickly gets a KO after a teammate dies with Sucker Punch. It functions best as a late-game cleaner with Supreme Overlord boosts & SD allowing it to sweep through teams with Sucker Punch even resisted.

[stray quest]

yeah late game clearner

sweeper same difference

[mortal edge]

A sweeper should function as the main power of the team. Something that can hit hard once it's threats are removed.

[mortal edge]

No?

You're mixing those two terms up completely.

[stray quest]

really? hmm

[stray quest]

252 spd on tusk?

[mortal edge]

No.

Just invest 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Spe on Tusk.

[stray quest]

oh

[mortal edge]

You can go for an Attack Proto Boost instead of a Speed Proto Boost but I find Speed Proto to be better in general.

Attack Proto hits great but a low speed tier really hurts you a lot and often times if you want speed you have to sacrifice bulk.

[stray quest]

like this?

[mortal edge]

252 on Speed & 4 on Attack.

[stray quest]

i want the attack proto though

[mortal edge]

You want it to be lower than just one point so you get the Speed Proto Boost.

[stray quest]

cause rapid spin

ok ty for tips

[willow prairie]

question

is blaziken good in ou?

[mortal edge]

Has a niche with it's SD set & Speed Boost being an absolute god-tier ability pushed it to UUBL, yet it struggles to find a place in OU.

[willow prairie]

alright

[tacit bluff]

?

it does sweep

lol

its the premier late game sweeper

[alpine furnace]

Anymore or is it decent aside form alomamola.

https://pokepast.es/bd5548165449a75e

[cold cosmos]

which is called.... (a revenge killer)

[tacit bluff]

thats not what revenge killer means

lol

[cold cosmos]

fine

call it a cleaner

still not a sweeper

[alpine furnace]

Pretty sure King does both sucker makes it a good revenge killer, SD and having a unfair 50/50 with sucker makes it a good sweeper.

[tacit bluff]

revenge killer is something that comes in after your mon goes down to offensively check your opponents sweeper

[cold cosmos]

indeed

does it not do that

[tacit bluff]

it does

it is also a sweeper

lol

[cold cosmos]

you do NOT use a gambit early game

[alpine furnace]

^^^

[cold cosmos]

u use it when shits chipped

[tacit bluff]

analysis is for ubers but it still applies

to call kingambit not a sweeper is just not correct

when there's a mon that notoriously sweeps teams effortlessly, that is in fact, a sweeper

that isn't mutually exclusive with it being a revenge killer

[alpine furnace]

It is both a sweeper and a decent revenge killing mon though it is better used as a late game mon considering all its threats are relatively bulky and can block it out.

[tacit bluff]

it works decently well in the mid game too

regardless the problem with this team isn't the "setting up" for kingambit to sweep cuz you do that when running HO anyway without trying

the problem is like

a lot of other things

[alpine furnace]

Even in balance its easy to set up.

Its very splashable

[tacit bluff]

Zama's EVs are odd, and also idk why its running trailblaze, ur fast enough as is and its not doing much without stab or any attack investment

Ghold is too weak here without nasty plot drop tbolt for it

gliscor slows down an otherwise pretty fast paced team, glimmora is probably better here

knock off over dclaw on roaring moon tbh, dragon stab isn't hitting much and knock is a better long term tool

I assume you want tusk to be booster attack? it could just be booster speed tho and act as another offensive threat

[alpine furnace]

Mostly worrying if I get beaten by ogerpon/kingambit.

Mostly ogerpon I find that mon significantly harder to deal with.

[tacit bluff]

you have zapdos you should be able to handle waterpon ok

but yeah no one else is liking the prospect of switching into it

ngl booster val here is a bit of an interesting choice

maybe scarf would be better? means you can switch in more than once you outspeed something

[alpine furnace]

I can switch in more but its better into sweepers and I'm a bit iffy about damage. Zap also has thunder wave but if speed is a big problem I could go t wave ghold as well. I like the idea of having a mon that can punish opposing set up while still providing speed and power to the team, encore iron val does that but if scarf is better I could change it.

Well maybe not better into sweepers but better at shutting them down

Scarf is better at revenge killing them

[alpine furnace]

Yeah thats why i find it harder than kingambit, with king I know I can swap into great tusk or corv but with ogerpon if I slip up once theres little I can do outside of water absorb.

[runic nebula]

You don’t really use sweepers early game unless if you’re using setup spam HO

In which case the point of that particular sweeper that game isn’t going to be to sweep but be threatening enough to get decent chip on something important

If sweepers were supposed to be used early game then probably next to nothing would be a viable sweeper

[sleek moth]

i think so

[willow prairie]

still

curse i think might be better

cuz of the minus speed in trick room

[runic nebula]

Curse takes too long

You’d much rather have the +2 right away

Because TR only lasts for so long

Also in general you probably shouldn’t have TR

On that team

[sleek moth]

yeah but theres nothign that underspeeds ursaluna normally

slowking cant do anything to ursaluna

you cant kill dondozo normally either

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/5334d3898d91f4f6 Tried putting together a HO team based on a waterpon valiant gambit core, but im not sure about how well deo-s and SpA booster moth fit on it

[hot dome]

Hm

Definitely not spattack booster moths, but this could be a pretty solid aurora veil team instead

[sacred delta]

aurora veil is almost always ninetales-a and not abomasnow right?

and what goes in moth's slot?

[hot dome]

Yes, Alolan ninetales

[hot dome]

I mean honestly sub speed booster moth is probably fine

Swap gambit’s evs to the dex set

[sacred delta]

wait why does moth run sub? its not bulky at all right? and not much setup as well

[hot dome]

Tera blast fire/electric is probably better for kyurem

[hot dome]

Because it can force switches and use them to sub and it does have setup just a really shitty one in fiery dance

Also probably want to swap trailblaze on pon for encore/play rough

[sacred delta]

why tho? isnt the whole point to lose the ground weakness?

[sacred delta]

the bulky one or the fast one?

theres no writeup so i have no idea what theyre ev'd for

[stray quest]

I'm not sure if I should continue using gliscor I need a consistent moltres check (optimally on the physical side) or something to set hazrads which can deal with moltres

[hot dome]

Kyurem doesn’t have a ground weakness?

[hot dome]

Bulky

[stray quest]

think they mean tera-ing into a ground weak type

[hot dome]

It’s worth the trade for the ability to hit certain threats ie metal birds or bulky waters

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/7aec4c04ad6446cf lat zama bulky offense attempt

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rancid shale]

why do we say post elo instead of post gxe

[runic nebula]

elo is a better indicator of where you’re at now (plus more people know about elo)

[alpine furnace]

Why latios over like dragapult hede

[silent hemlock]

I wanted to build a team around latios

I do agree though, if there are ways to change the team to fit with latios more then I'll take what I can get

I will say though latios kind of shits damage out on non-special walls and so I'm kind of thinking of running specs instead of soul dew, it already kills mola and gliscor pretty easily

[hot dome]

well the issue is

that's kinda every single special attacker lol

they do mad damage into non-special walls

[silent hemlock]

Yea..

I just like being fast and pressing draco so latios is cool for that

Are there any changes I can make to make it work better?

[clever rover]

Being fast and clicking Draco? Sounds like a dragapult to me

[silent hemlock]

If it hits similar calcs then I'm cool with using it

There are things I'm struggling with a bit more on the team, mainly ogerpon

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/ab618f7d518e1498 Would like help on this Web team.

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/0ad8ca36efe433f2
oger grass+moth offense

[north nimbus]

This seems generally fine tho having lando and treads together is a bit awkward, and cb oger my cup of tea but what seems to be the issue if there are any

[eager plaza]

nothing wrong but are there any improvements like with lando+treads?

[exotic parcel]

https://pokepast.es/a274f41b7feec3a8 Offense and struggling with a val moveset

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[north nimbus]

Would say zama > lando and then make this boots rock physical treads not sure why it’s helmet here tbh, tho then you lose ur flyer unless you wanna do dnite > oger but that goes with what you have in mind

[misty basin]

Honestly I just go with an all out attacking set with 4 attacks and quark drive speed
It's been doing well on the low ladder

Tho I'd choose a body press iron defense set with significant defense investment to maximize damage on Zamazenta

Crunch to scare ghosts and roar to phase out other setup sweepers

[robust dome]

https://pokepast.es/1b6049aa17d077e1 - Banded Gapdos (Gholden Wise glasses needs to be changed but idk what to )

[mortal edge]

Air Balloon > Wise Glasses and Nasty Plot > Recover on Gholdengo. You want Gholdengo to be a fast Special Attacker so having Nasty Plot to double your damage output is great. Air Balloon helps against common Ground-types trying to check you and is great in general. Walking Wake is also awkward here since you don't have Sun to abuse Proto and Hydro Steam so I would drop it. Iron Treads < Great Tusk. Iron Treads Booster is great as a lead but it's occupied by your Galvantula.

There's a lot wrong with this team but these are the first things I noticed.

I suggested looking at sample web teams at the moment to get a better grip of how to build webs in general.

https://pokepast.es/9d7850f75a637c8e <--- Araquanid Webs

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mortal edge]

Ribombee is also an alternate option for faster Webs but it's incredibly volatile and inconsistent so you're much better off with Araquanid who is very consistent as a Web Setter.

[odd jackal]

https://pokepast.es/5336983bb6e53394 Porting over a Natdex team to SV bc I don't wanna build a SV Psyterrain team

[odd jackal]

Idk if Deo or Armarouge be better

[echo rampart]

i feel like this definitely needs magic bounce hatt

[robust dome]

Yeah i guess thats true, Im just a galv fan.

[nocturne sable]

Low ladder hax is real

[faint vortex]

Deo is better, and I agree with @echo rampart you need hazard deterrents

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/dd949f8da7884280

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[deep locust]

I have this core that I really like but I'm uncertain as to what mons would really tie the team together

[past sapphire]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[north nimbus]

not sure if we going to even rate palafin teams simply since its getting retested and its a mon players and refamiliarizing themselves with.

[tacit bluff]

yeah lol

[glad crown]

Can anyone help me rate this team please?This is my first team i made
https://pokepast.es/6dbb6cf53a875f4a

[tacit bluff]

why is the pokepaste so screwy

eh whatever its fine

wait why does scovillain have sharpness

[glad crown]

Oh wait

[deep locust]

Iron Hands also doesn't get U-Turn

[tacit bluff]

zama also doesn't get toxic

what tier is this for?

[glad crown]

Oh i thought pokemon can learn all of skills ,my bad my bad

How about this?
https://pokepast.es/3a1c23d2f4f5f312

[deep locust]

gholdengo doesn't get taunt

Tink doesn't get toxic

[tacit bluff]

please press the validate button before sending teams here

[glad crown]

Okay

Sry my bad:)

[tacit bluff]

its ok

[glad crown]

How about this?
https://pokepast.es/ae4a6de10a3e8814

[tacit bluff]

It's legal but it's not very good

A lot of these mons have confusing sets and their game plans don't work together very well

For instance iron valiant despite its odd set choice is generally a mon you put on offensive structures, which is fine in a vaccum but it doesn't have very good offensive mons surrounding it

You have ting lu with again a strange set which is usually a defensive piece to set hazards for bulkier teams and garganacl is much the same although aims to do more gradual damage than anything, the slow playstyle of these two combined with the fast playstyle of iron valiant just don't work

The same applies for toxapex who has a bit of an odd set and frankly isn't very good outside of stall you have specs ghold with nasty plot for whatever reason and you also have a banded pult with fire blast

I'd look at sample teams so you get a better idea of team structures

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/cf7d376900a69a1a attempt at some kind spikes team

[glad crown]

Thanks

[glad crown]

I like making my own team xD

[floral burrow]

https://pokepast.es/c67798a51f8b8dbb

how do i not get 6-0d by pult

i thought of molt over corv but then i have no steel

no long term scor switch in

[odd jackal]

Where tho

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/ce1fcc0c7f9895ca

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/2a8c82c1d82f991a
this too

i might be cookin

[broken shard]

no

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/75bdfcdaa2c4f1af HO Araquanid Webs

[cobalt bough]

no sash araq is quite bold i think

pun intended

[tacit bluff]

it is running max hp investment

tbf

idk why you have surf and hydro pump tho

[alpine hornet]

araq never runs sash tbh they’re all custap

or like mherb if ur bold but

araq doesnt rly need sash

[cobalt bough]

interesting I did not know this

ngl I still don’t see the advantage of it over ribombee

that vr rise was surprising

[empty verge]

That crown should be psyshock asw

[alpine hornet]

this aint the channel for this i can answer this in general

[nocturne sable]

Sash araq? This is not ribumbee we are talking about

Araq isn’t that frail

[empty verge]

They are custap yes

[cobalt bough]

But I thought webs was just a good team in general

[empty verge]

That tusk should be bulk up

Also

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/1826a677795b4b3b

how is this palafin balance team looking

made it in like 5 minutes to see how cooking palafin is in ou rn

tested it a bit and it seems to be working decently, justwon a game in 1600s with it vs rain

[north nimbus]

Due to palafin being free for rn not sure if we going to be rating teams with it since it’s fairly new rn for the suspect tho fwiw the team looks fine

[alpine hornet]

this looks fine, i think cc last is always best on bandfin tho

[low phoenix]

yea i changed ice punch to cc

retroactively

and made pala tera fighting

[alpine hornet]

eh this isnt necessaru

water is better

[low phoenix]

ic

was thinking i resist kingambit sucker punch and make my cc stronger

[north nimbus]

ur main source of damage/ breaking will be tera wave crash

[stuck wren]

https://pokepast.es/5827b35fe299ba93

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mortal edge]

With our 92 SpA investment, Surf struggles to 2HKO Landorus-T and among other leads which is really important. Hydro Pump is a volatile option that can do that but is unreliable. You're going to be click Surf for the most part and having both is really nice.

Without Surf, Araquanid struggles to deal consistent damage without investment. This set has sacrificed SpA investment for the sake of bulk.

Hence, Hydro Pump to make up for the damage loss from lack of SpA investment and to take surprising KOs.

[glad crown]

https://pokepast.es/72f7495fad11ea21
It's a weird team,i made it in 11pm yesterday

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[glad crown]

Okay

[north nimbus]

This team is sadly unviable given the fact that two of these mons have fringe viability in certain playstyles in ou, while the rest have no viability whatsoever due to them being not good or just outclassed by better and superior picks, recommend a sample team if you haven’t tried one and check up the viability rankings as a guideline of what is viable in ou

[glad crown]

Oh okayt

Thanks

[cold cosmos]

hello there

rate this absolutely fire webs team : https://pokepast.es/2a8c82c1d82f991a

plese

[cursive light]

https://pokepast.es/4da5b18e9e2e702d
anybody know if this a good start or tryna fill in the other spots i’m tryna get back into gen 9

[tacit bluff]

this looks pretty standard, palafin abuses webs pretty darn well and you have ghold to keep them up raging bolt is also really nice on webs so you don't rely on tclap for everything

idk nothing jumps out at me

this is just by the book webs ho

[cold cosmos]

indeed

[tacit bluff]

idk if you need cover cloak but ig if you really wanna annoy garg

[cold cosmos]

indeed

[tacit bluff]

but yeah its good

[mortal edge]

Full teams next time.

[cobalt bough]

I’d slot fb over recover on ur ghold this is HO

[rugged fiber]

https://pokepast.es/aeca4db8de8e336c

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[odd jackal]

https://pokepast.es/69c830c5b7408ad8

[hot dome]

Not really sure what wellspring does for this psyterrain team

Doesn’t check any threats (dark types) and you certainly don’t need any breakers

In general psyterrain kinda sucks but

O btw you probably don’t want a more utility based hatterene for healing wish

[odd jackal]

Rain mostly (exactly)

[hot dome]

And something that can actually tank fairy hit

[hot dome]

Doesn’t really work in practice

• rain is mid af anyways and not a weak mu for terrain

[odd jackal]

Yea that's fair, idk how to beat rain tho

[odd jackal]

Doesn't Barra just steam roll

Or is that natdex rain I'm remembering

[hot dome]

Lead indeedee, go hatt and punish uturn with your own free switch, go crazy with polt

[hot dome]

No

[odd jackal]

Prolly dont?

[hot dome]

Probably

Not don’t oops

As for your wellspring slot

Honestly I’ve never figured out psyterrain’s last slot since all options are ass but maybe Zamazenta could work

[odd jackal]

Prolly double up on darks, idt there's a fairy that can resist psychic+fighting

[hot dome]

Nah definitely don’t double up on the darks

None of the options are good

Either go zama or iron crown

[odd jackal]

Oh right crown

I forgor

Stored Power or EForce

[hot dome]

Eforce

[odd portal]

https://pokepast.es/49f95e0d3a071fd9 i wanted to make an offensive team here with all that water and steel overlap and spike pressure

[rugged fiber]

https://pokepast.es/aeca4db8de8e336c how is this team

[teal bay]

https://pokepast.es/11206fc4a0057156 any thoughts on this team?

[north nimbus]

seems relatively fine besides darkrai mu tho you have twave gking then again idk if you need two twave spreaders, but any issues u struggling with?

[teal bay]

Not really but I guess I haven’t run into Darkrai with it yet

And yea I haven’t clicked twave on slowking once I’ll prob hanged that to tox

[north nimbus]

toxic vastly improves the mu against raging bolt

tho i also realize this team lacks a rock setter

[teal bay]

Yeah might get rid of spinner or knock on tusk

It’s my only knocker and I want play rough on oger so probably spinner plus I already got kyurem

[north nimbus]

spinner is still nice cause then u rely kyurem coming in to deal with lando and gliscor and just forces it to get worn down when u wanna preserve it as ur main wincon

[teal bay]

Yea good point

[north nimbus]

actually now i realize what another issue

no ghost resist

[teal bay]

Plus roaring moon matchup looks bad

Hmmmm true

Could honestly put my own moon over kyurem maybe

[north nimbus]

woulnd't say moon more like gambit

and then make this pivot woger so u can get knock support, and then rocks on tusk

that actually works

[teal bay]

Hm yea I like that

Might run 252 speed low kick cuz team is kinda gambit weak

And it’s my only dark resist lol

[north nimbus]

you have great tusk

tho i also do think it should be max speed her just make sure it has some bulk to better take on dengo and pults

[teal bay]

Oh yeah that too

[north nimbus]

with those changes team should be fine, you can honestly consider going mix hex pult here just to better pressure moon and dnite

[teal bay]

Yea I might, I kinda like having the big hit from specs tho

I’ll play some games and see where it’s at

[north nimbus]

most def, enjoy

[teal bay]

yea thanks for the tips!

[rugged fiber]

https://pokepast.es/aeca4db8de8e336c please may someone help me?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/e2bf908285d2251a

Think this team is good? Does corviknight wall? Or no because of taunt ogerpon

[low phoenix]

this team appreciates hazarad removal and a kingambit check, replace sinistcha with great tusk

make tusk rocks and give waterpon or gliscor knock off

oh yea since u have no ghost resist you can prob change gliscor to bulky kingambit w tera fire or lum berry

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/a7bcd129fba40c1e Bulk Up Palafin team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/6278f49187386b2d bolt krai bo I think

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/c85e0e2edc279364
palafin type shit

[broken shard]

u didn't cook

[cold cosmos]

respectfully, you have a fucking meowscarada pfp

[broken shard]

aw man

[halcyon abyss]

https://pokepast.es/ba658bf1b4fe77ce

I got this team forever ago, and idr how to use it

I’ve also got this one

https://pokepast.es/0212d7da0df54b7a

I just wanna use hamu and horo

[low phoenix]

This is not a voltturn

Dragapult does horoarks job but better in this instance

Otherwise this looks like a pretty solid bulky offense

[tacit bluff]

horoark suffers the immense case of being mid unfortunately

its inherently gimmicky by relying a ton on illusion to get by since its so frail

and unfortunately with how hazard heavy the tier is unless its boots it can give away itself before taking a hit

plus it can't come in very safely, it can leverage its immunities sure, but its so immensely frail that anything else will dent it severely and obviously the downside of it breaking the illusion

it hits hard and is fast but thats not enough to get by tbh

especially as said above, dragapult is an excellent mon that fills the role of fast ghost type way better

[alpine furnace]

I mean it can be, you just need to be outrageously fast or outrageously strong and Horoark doesn't do the job as well as specs pult or scarf iron val does.

https://pokepast.es/990daa2b99bc85c9 also how is this bulky offense team?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/369832bb3cd112c1

[civic lion]

https://pokepast.es/fb0df8e68343c464

[civic lion]

Any advice for improving this team?

[north nimbus]

lando-t and rilla seem a bid redudant together as ur basically weakening eq, tho fwiw this should be defensive lando-t fwiw, while you replace rillaboom with a gking to vastly improves this team mu against special attackers like raging bolt and kyurem, but doing so you can make primarina bulky cm with tera ghost to oppress stall, and lastly would make this team boots spam cinderace while decent pivot with hazard contorl really dislikes palafin pressence rn and would advise something like zama 3 attacks + roar as you struggle immensely against opposing kingambit and darkai, and its good to phase out booster/ certian set up mons

[halcyon abyss]

I just like horo and wanna use it

[tacit bluff]

Well this is the channel where you get feedback on teams to make them more competitively viable

If you just wanna use horoark that's fine

But if you wanted to make the team more viable we'd tell you to drop horoark because it's simply an inferior choice compared to other mons that fill a similar role to it

I also enjoy playing my favourites and tryna fish for wins with them but I do so knowing that it's sub optimal and just for fun really

Which is why I don't post said teams here

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/99c6597ac86a1569

how does this team look boys

ik kyurem set is a bit weird but im honestly just experimenting with who to put in the 5th slot rn

[tacit bluff]

Mostly ok but a couple things jump out at me

Pecha isn't exerting enough pressure on this team, you are running webs afterall and pecha just ends up being a momentum sink tbh

I think it has a more offensive oriented set with nasty plot but idk enough about it to comment, I'd just go with gholdengo but maybe someone else will give you that set

Ur right the kyurem set is odd, bpress is only gonna beat kingambit and nothing else ngl, and even then idt it ohkos since you have no defence investment, I'd just make this mixed ddance

[low phoenix]

oh

someone recommended pecha in the main chat and i figured it can switch against waterpon and pivot so id give it a go

[viscid mist]

https://pokepast.es/0f3f88dca491df58
what do y'all think? i'm having fun with this one

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Pecha can work on HO, hell it's on one of the samples, you can maybe steal that set?

Idk what the set is tho I haven't looked for myself

[low phoenix]

oh shit

new samples cfame out

didnt realize

[tacit bluff]

Ye

Some are pretty cool

[viscid mist]

substitute ogerpon feels good

[tacit bluff]

Well this is certainly a rain team

Couple things

[low phoenix]

the pecha set on the ho sample is just regular pivot

so ima try that

[tacit bluff]

Alolomola while I can kinda understand doesn't really fit here, this team is very fast paced and alo just slows the team down

Typically rain teams want iron treads, it acts as a good pivot in the rain and can get rocks up, tusk is fine too tho

Basculegion would usually be barraskewda here, it's a bit faster under rain ig barra works too

[tacit bluff]

Ah

Well ig you can try it

Idk the theory behind it tho

[low phoenix]

yea ive used pivot pecha before in darkspam ho teams before with success so ig it can work

[swift imp]

https://pokepast.es/8c77345d6eb669f0
here’s a team I’ve been running, I feel like it’s a little weak to sun generally and probably has some big issues I don’t notice very well

Any advice would be appreciated

[swift imp]

I kind of want to replace one of the grasses, but they kinda check different things?

[normal hedge]

https://pokepast.es/dc34d637438f5edd

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/c85e0e2edc279364

[odd jackal]

https://pokepast.es/9bdf58a64470056e

I'm porting Natdex teams to SV again

[odd jackal]

https://pokepast.es/d47e82b8b5fa7664 here's the original (this was fron pre tera ban)

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/52e9c76ea7e8700e I thought this team was good but I lowkey just got mega super swept by chlorophyll venu so idk what to do now lol

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dry canopy]

https://pokepast.es/fe8aef151e2a5b36

[hot dome]

this team doesn't really work, unfortunately
you have three choice-d breakers, which is extreme overkill and two of them (deo-s and pult) are pretty mid with deo-s being outright unviable iirc
thundurus just... sucks unfortunately, its outclassed as a special electric threat by bolt and doesn't offer anything unique to justify its place
and then pex only fits on bulkier balance teams while gliscor is much the same, but the rest of this team doens't really gel with that style for the most part, so its in a weird state of limbo

there's not really much synergy between this team, and it struggles hard into a vast majority of the tier (darkrai, rmoon, gambit, etc)

you seem pretty new to teambuilding so i would recommend using a sample for now to learn the common cores and team strucutres, you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[silent hemlock]

Anyone able to look at this team?

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/103fee31320e9004

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rancid shale]

https://pokepast.es/8bab7dd8ae4f893a please help, NOT A JOKE TEAM, my first attempt at building completely solo

a bit of a nonstandard hyper offense

[dry canopy]

ty man, i based this team off a ubers team, I tried to replicate arceus with thunderus cuz i need Taunt. deoxys for miraidon and dragapult for koraidon. I'll try to improve the team thanks

[tacit bluff]

deo cannot fill miraidons role in any way tbh lol

the two are in different stratospheres

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/a12026be073c23ec bo team I like a lot but there are some concerns tbh tbh

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent hemlock]

I think my pult set should be changed to smth else that is a bit more threatening, rn it feels like it has too much overlap with darkrai as a boots attacking sort of thing

Also the crown set is like, I think good but idk how much it fits when I also have gking? My big issue is when I face something with a speed boost, so I was thinking of maybe making it a booster speed set

[sonic depot]

https://pokepast.es/f92671acf7fbe2d5 this is pretty much the team im using rn

[alpine furnace]

Really liked the idea of lando T + primarina for a bulky offense https://pokepast.es/072d00af2cef41b6

[north nimbus]

This team seems fine make this Tera ghost on primarina to take advantage of stall, Tera fire gambit not get crippled by wisp pult, toxic > twave on gking for raging bolt, and roar > heavy slam on zama

[fluid nimbus]

Hi everyone Im currently switching between 1500-1600 elo, peaked low 1700s and I wanted to make a unique team of my own for the first time, without using established sample teams. I have always been a fan of non meta picks and for that the core of my team I am planning on using Articuno-galar. Since im still inexperienced with making solid teams I want to ask for help from the community on this

[hot dome]

this isn't the place to ask since we rate full teams not help with building teams

but heavy warning articuno galar is some hot ass in ou

[fluid nimbus]

ah

https://pokepast.es/8e24600110f7d549

this is how the team is looking so far

[hot dome]

like i said, we only rate full teams

[fluid nimbus]

was debating weather having pelliper + baraskewed instead of threads + alomomola. Then i wouldve switched tera blast for hurricane on articuno and barraskewda would use the flip turn instead of alomomola

ah

where is the place for building teams then?

[hot dome]

#comp-general

[fluid nimbus]

alright thank you ill ask there

[exotic vault]

https://pokepast.es/8cedef6810d3ce3f

What you think about the Palafin rain team?

Decided Bronzong to do something about Kyurem and Freeze Dry + EP which otherwise is very irritating.

[low phoenix]

i feel like bronzong is only something you really use on stall

it is very very passive otherwise

unless you go for some calm mind set but at this point just use iron crown

which is also a decent kyurem check

[fluid nimbus]

after some trial and error with the team, i think it's in a good spot now, was able to win about 7 games in a row with it (4 of which with articuno sweeping alone; granted 2 of those 4 were against a landorous lead which is by far the best scenario for g-articuno lead)

https://pokepast.es/12a390f497c4477c

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/2df44fb2e31d3565 having fun testing this on mid ladder so I'm posting it here.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fluid nimbus]

@unkempt bough Nice bloodhound pet 😛

[subtle plover]

https://pokepast.es/e799af87de7f5fca

trying to make a necrozma wp team work

any tips?

thought of switching to solgaleo-necrozma

[low phoenix]

necrozma dawn mane is ubers

you cant use him in ou

also half this team consists of unviable mons