sacred fire?
#UM Rates
lime falcon
what are you talking about
unique tartan
waterfall
lime falcon
ho-oh is the only relevant fire
other stuff can randomly tera fire but you blow it away with earthquake anyway
moltres is a shitmon that doesn't appear outside low ladder and stone edge kills it
unique tartan
STILL GOT ME TO 1477 elo
lime falcon
that's... not impressive
i hit 1600 with a flaaffy for shits and giggles a few months ago
unique tartan
after only having done comp pokemon srsly for two months and having made the team half asleep and doing all the battles while having a massive headache and still being half asleep
i think its impressive
lime falcon
you should try laddering with a real team
something like https://pokepast.es/7450e2bbad38e055
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lime falcon
ugh sorry guys
unique tartan
you should try laddering with a real team
i just like shed tail man
unique tartan
but like
lime falcon
im trying to help with being more competitive .-.
lime falcon
if you just want to run shitmons and mess around that's fine i guess
lime falcon
it's less bad than some of the other stuff but it's really not good
lime falcon
it breaks stall effortlessly but it's deadweight into balance
that's because your opponents are braindead
something performing well in the 1400s is not representative of its actual goodness or lack thereof
unique tartan
that's because your opponents are braindead
i would like to think people with 1600 elo are not braindead
cuz for some reason
the ladder has been pairing me with them
lime falcon
you don't start seeing good players until, like, the 1700s
unique tartan
for like the past 12 matches
lime falcon
even then it's a mixed bag
unique tartan
;-;
lime falcon
ladder is fantastically bad
most good players don't even ladder much
since games there tend to be very low quality
unique tartan
fair
lime falcon
it's a variant of one of them
i think it's almost strictly an improvement
it's got more optimized ev spreads and better tera types and sets generally
unique tartan
it's got more optimized ev spreads and better tera types and sets generally
deoxys speed eh
lime falcon
ye it's a premier suicide lead
great way for offensive teams to get some hazards up and die
whil also not providing the opponent with opportunities to set their own or boost with something
unique tartan
the evs
lime falcon
i honestly don't remember what they're for
i think it's some calyrex benchmarks
the important parts are max atk and the speed bench
everything else is essentially dump stats
unique tartan
everything else is essentially dump stats
why not just dump them into hp then?
lime falcon
because most of the rolls you care about are against caly
its physical bulk is a lot less important than its special bulk
so arc spreads that have bulk investment tend to emphasize spd
lime falcon
+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Psychic vs. 20 HP / 56 SpD Arceus: 286-337 (74 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
pretty sure this is what the investment is for
the rest is dumped
unique tartan
il still keep improving the other one tho
lime falcon
mmk
lime falcon
yeah sure why not
atomic finch
atomic finch
yeah they did say
lime falcon
i guess ill make another post lol
empty ocean
https://pokepast.es/e69e8866f3f3cf76
I just couldn't make this thing cheeseproof enough
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empty ocean
Its been a while and i wanna see how much or little has the meta developed
So ill be starting it off with attempting yo cook
fossil knot
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pallid dagger
What does flare blitz on volcanion hit?
fossil knot
spect
pallid dagger
Ah
faint girder
ill check it out for you
faint girder
nothing's written
fossil knot
this one is old
pallid dagger
I think flame charge might be better
fossil knot
yeah run flame charge and bulk +2 spect beam
from lo spect
u do not defeat scarf drago
urshifu is sus
pallid dagger
Drop comp set
faint girder
but like use the current setcomp set
its flare blitz in set comp
pallid dagger
Glitch
fossil knot
scarf hax
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 244 HP / 184 SpA / 80 SpD
Modest Nature
- Overheat
- Steam Eruption
- Sludge Wave
- Earth Power / Flame Charge```Assault Vest
Tanks +2 Life Orb Spectrier Hyper Beam and Adamant Choice Band Meowscarada Giga Impact, rest in Special Attack
Earth Power for the mirror, Flame Charge for Corviknight, Focus Blast for Darkrai
fossil knot
u do not defeat scarf drago
t
fossil knot
and shifu is annoying
pallid dagger
Also u generally struggle with fast strong guys
faint girder
i wanted to build around maushold tbh
pallid dagger
Scarfers like haxorus
pallid dagger
Deagapult
fossil knot
scarf could work yeah
faint girder
i think that sorts a lot of MU issues
faint girder
Does that volcanion kill ursaluna?
it should
pallid dagger
Feels like we are playing whack a mole atm
faint girder
ill calc
fossil knot
Does that volcanion kill ursaluna?
no
faint girder
av or...?
fossil knot
184+ SpA Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 152 HP / 164 SpD Ursaluna: 374-444 (85.1 - 101.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
faint girder
is that AV
fossil knot
yea that works
faint girder
why
pallid dagger
Better into a few things since it lets it live some physical hits
fossil knot
u dont beat spect or dirge
spect clicks hyper beam, dirge lives and blast burns
lime falcon
https://pokepast.es/e69e8866f3f3cf76
I just couldn't make this thing cheeseproo...
this looks broadly fine
i think you probably want tera fairy over grass on ho-oh
since grass is really only worthwhile for spdef ho-oh
i dont really like the ndm
i think tera fire photon geyser is probably a lot better than tera ground stone edge
running no-payback lu on a team that doesn't have ekiller is a really bad idea
i dont particularly like rocks fairy since ho-oh still sits on it and rocks just aren't that good anyway - power gem is probably more useful but ig it's not strictly necessary since you do have etern
empty ocean
So, rocks are not very useful here?
I might as well slap on ekiller somewhere, where do I put it? I don’t like having Etern sit in ting Lu tbf
lime falcon
if you run ekiller over ho-oh you'd probably be in a decent spot
it's hard to go wrong with the fairy lu ekiller core
lime falcon
So, rocks are not very useful here?
I might as well slap on ekiller somewhere, ...
i meant to drop ruination for payback lol
lime falcon
if you do run an ekiller it's not strictly necessary
but payback is generally good - you'd be surprised how often calys sit in front of you and gamble that you're not payback
sly wharf
nvm
stuck thorn
can someone please submit 1v1 rmts i need to work to pay off my rent
b the change you wanna see in the world
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stuck thorn
hello rate my team guys
fossil knot
what is that hands
stuck thorn
what is that hands
optimal evs
eving in defense is actually so useless and a waste u want the dmg vs so much stuff and spd invest is ideal
u can do some speed creep for luna but thats annoying
fossil knot
optimal evs
for whoo man
stuck thorn
i just explained !!
did you know that this spread has best odds into specs drago
majority dont kill unless a lot more invest than what they usually run
and max atk gives a really nice roll for fake out + cc to kill
acoustic scarab
Does Max SpD hit anything? Like do you live something at max? If not, I feel like you could definitely speed creep for Luna
stuck thorn
lowest i'll go is 220 for haban bolt
252+ SpA Raging Bolt Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 220 SpD Iron Hands: 253-298 (56.3 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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empty ocean
Oh hey fellow asian
Speaking in chinese here would be against the rules but lemme take a look
Have you ever tried earthquake over ruination for lu? I have used it and it provides a way for you to not have eternatus sit on you forever
And knock on dusk mane is kinda not that great when you cant punish Ho-Oh switching in since there are no rocks anyways
This team doesn't look like one looking to win a game slowly either
Oh yeah, and groundceus
Dont forget about them
Dragon dance groundceus kinda claps through with tera fire taunt sets
And webs
And if you use lu to stave off groundceus then you will be vulnerable to all the other threats coming to wipe your team
lime falcon
yeah this team is gonna get rolled by caly-i
if you drop ho-oh for a physdef tera water fairyceus
it'll solve that particular problem
fairy is definitely the the wrong tera for lu
you want poison here so you can have a tspikes absorber
caly should probably be tera grass to blow up lu after a boost
scarf korai should be outrage
so it can do some actual damage
i dont like ndm here and would drop it for some kind of ekiller but it's up to you
dragonite is a shitmon
bu
bulk up
bulk up espeed sclaw recover with a bunch of hp / spdef - 252+ ada, creep to the mid 290s for speed, then dump the rest
empty ocean
Bro thinks this is stabmons dnite doesn't get it this gen
tulip sinew
Bro thinks this is stabmons dnite doesn't get it this gen
ya i didnt know
worthy narwhal
Quite the forgotten thread
sweet terrace
https://pokepast.es/8e089328071e777d
AG team, i want to keep the same general team, but also put in bax for someone, is that a good idea nd who should i switch out for it
dusky walrus
Ting-Lu on screens + glimm team feels weird
Would probably want to restructure to commit to either HO or BO, right now it's trying to cheat and do both and I doubt that's great
lime falcon
also ape is just unviable
there's no place for ape in this meta
bax is also bad and you can't fit it unfortunately
the glimm caly combo is great for HO
grimm kinda fits too but the other three don't make any sense
kingambit isn't awful in a vacuum but this is not the type of team it belongs on
tulip sinew
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lime falcon
this team looks largely fine
roar might not be the best move for fairyceus because it leaves you kinda unable to pressure ho-oh at all
but it does block zac setup attempts so I guess that's something
tulip sinew
roar might not be the best move for fairyceus because it leaves you kinda unable...
i dont really know what else id go for
lime falcon
power gem?
tulip sinew
does that ohko
lime falcon
makes zac a lot harder to deal with tho
ofc not but it 2hkos most of the time which lets you force ho-oh out trivally most of the time
tulip sinew
makes zac a lot harder to deal with tho
ya and i have miraidon against ho-oh and i can twave it
which is usually enough
cuz i cant really do anything against zac
lime falcon
if you're struggling with zac you could switch to waterceus
that handles zac and caly-i a lot better
at the cost of making scale shot korai a tougher matchup
tulip sinew
waterceus with fairy tera then?
tulip sinew
idk if i want willowisp over thunder wave
lime falcon
for waterceus willo's definitely the way to go
so you can cripple koraidon
switching to waterceus would make the twave fairy mu a lot tougher
generally with this kind of structure you just have to pick which of those things is going to get scarrier
you could, of course, drop an offensive mon for something bulkier to shore up the defensive core but that comes with its own issues
tulip sinew
i dont think i wanna drop one of the offensive mons
i can try waterceus tho it might work better
teal field
https://pokepast.es/d09e7177e33a4b91 This is an anything goes team I just created, following the smogon strat pokedex suggestions. is it any good?
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lime falcon
so that caly set is a bit outdated
it turns out that tera stellar kinda just sucks
a more standard set these days is tera grass with nasty plot / astral barrage / grass knot / encore
also you definitely need payback over ruination on lu here since you don't have a normalceus
if you had a normalceus ruination would be fine but as this stands your lu just doesn't beat opposing caly
scarf koraidon is usually adamant
since you dont have something else to tera poison your lu should probably be tera poison
otherwise you're going to get chewed up pretty badly by tspikes
broadly the structure is fine although opposing caly is going to be quite tricky to play around without an ekiller
such is the nature of no-ekiller structures in general though
if you want an ekiller you can pretty safely drop the ho-oh for one i think
teal field
broadly the structure is fine although opposing caly is going to be quite tricky...
ok, what should that Ekiller be (sorry for late relpy BTW, this was the first chance for me to reply to you)
empty ocean
For scarf korai I generally go 56 240 76 140 something on korai to live +3 close combat and +2 Tera normal extreme speed, but that’s just me
blazing osprey
lime falcon
https://pokepast.es/3c88a2d7aa734230
what tier is this for??
lime falcon
it's right there; you can click the paste
blazing osprey
ubers
lime falcon
this isn't legal in ubers
blazing osprey
Changed baton pass on gliscor for ice fang
lime falcon
unless this is meant to be gen 7
lime falcon
UMs refers to a specific set of tiers (Unofficial Metas) - AG, UUbers, 2v2, 1v1, ZU, and NFE
you want to go to the ubers rmt thread for that
lime falcon
but it's going to be totally unviable there and they're probably just going to tell you to look at the sample teams
no worries, the jargon here can be a bit confusing
lime falcon
yeah we call gen 7 USUM
lime falcon
any generation of ubers rates should go in the ubers thread
blazing osprey
ah alr
tulip sinew
Wow man there are finally messages in this thread and then it's not even an ag team.
tired frost
Gen 9 ZU. Started with Dipplin (Sticky Hold Eviolite is very satisfying) and worked from there. Any thoughts?
atomic finch
@dim spruce @dusky walrus
empty ocean
https://pokepast.es/b6697a93550f4504
it’s been a while since i touched this tier…
Can I make lorb modest cm miraidon work? The ability to one tap ting Lu 90% of the time seems fun.
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lime falcon
that treads set looks really bad
you can make that mirai work yeah
i dont understand why you'd ever run no payback lu on a team that doesn't have ekiller
like your lu literally loses to caly
which is the one thing you can not have your lu lose to
i think you should have scarf korai over caly so that the sun will boost overheat and make it a better midground option
rocks fairy is ok but you cannot damage ho-oh with it which means that offensive ho-oh is a brutal mu
i think ekiller > treads and scarf korai > caly goes a long way to making this better
i get the impulse to run hazard control alongside that mirai but like
it doesn't work at all because that treads is terrible and will die immediately and has no defensive utility
dire swift
Yeah I agree with what geysers said here, the team looks mostly good but the treads is kinda out of place here, Especially with the set you are running
fossil knot
https://pokepast.es/3e512aa792fc1ff2 1v1 rates dead as hell
it doesnt ping??
gg
@pallid dagger @hidden token @acoustic scarab
acoustic scarab
https://pokepast.es/3e512aa792fc1ff2 1v1 rates dead as hell
Honestly it looks solid to me. What exactly are you struggling with? It may just be a need for an EV shift 👀
fossil knot
Honestly it looks solid to me. What exactly are you struggling with? It may just...
im bad i should be low kick shifu over tpunch
for moon
cuz that still hits volcanion
idk if im missing anything else to hit
acoustic scarab
Oh yeah Low Kick is nice just for Sub RMoons
We need a more consistent move that is powerful but not CC :/
acoustic scarab
idk if im missing anything else to hit
The only struggle I can see is Primarina tbh
acoustic scarab
But...yeah Crown should win lol
fossil knot
it is
uhh
u 5050 prim
You have to 5050 LO Prim, click Psychic Noise vs Icy Wind t1 or Tachyon Cutter vs Encore t1. This is to avoid torrent hydro from tachyon t1, however the prim can encore the psynoise t1 and get into torrent range that way that is why it is a 5050
i calced it
acoustic scarab
So if anything Prim is an issue but without major changes the team will have to aim to win the 50/50
fossil knot
dyt this is sample worthy
we dont have a crown sample
5050 vs prim is meh tho
idk if i like
acoustic scarab
Other than the Prim "weakness" I think the team is solid as you have at least outs for the mons that could cause issues
acoustic scarab
dyt this is sample worthy
I could see it as a sample...50/50 Prim is a bit rough but it has 3 really solid mons paired together
empty ocean
Yeah I agree with what geysers said here, the team looks mostly good but the tre...
True…
prime osprey
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burnt swift
https://pokepast.es/d4143a4726a00296
This team is unviable in anything goes, the only usable mon that won’t immediately due to everything is hatterene but it’s not enough to carry a team like this
I’d recommend checking out the viability rankings or sample teams to get an idea of the best things to run
prime osprey
This team is unviable in anything goes, the only usable mon that won’t immediate...
right my bad i was told to post this here but this isn't actually for anything goes, just for a little tourney me and my friends are doing i posted it in other and was told to post it here
burnt swift
Is it for any smogon format
If it’s something with arbitrary rules then we don’t rate it in this server
No one would know the full extent of a meta with rules not defined beforehand that people don’t actively play so we just don’t deal with those
burnt swift
np and good luck
burnt swift
https://pokepast.es/a90812b9cb6e2dfd
The only viable pokemon here is glimmora, I’d recommend checking out the viability rankings and sample teams for an idea of what works in the ag metagame
hushed pier
The only viable pokemon here is glimmora, I’d recommend checking out the viabili...
What about incin
burnt swift
It is a cheese pick on full baton pass teams but that’s all
hushed pier
He's my favorite and the best pokemon ever
burnt swift
Those are inherently inconsistent but it’s technically a use case, on anything else it doesn’t work
It’s strong in other formats like vgc and some lower tiers it just can’t compete with the power in AG
burnt swift
Believe what you want
It’s just a fact of the metagame
You can win with anything at some points on the ladder that won’t mean they’ll work vs the good pokemon that high level play has
empty ocean
I don't believe you I've won with him before
play baton pass if you REALLY wanna play this versus real teams
fossil knot
The only viable pokemon here is glimmora, I’d recommend checking out the viabili...
is flutter really not viable wtfrog
like its flutter mane
ag is crazy
burnt swift
like its flutter mane
There is a whole calyrex shadow
fossil knot
good point
burnt swift
In theory ig you can use both
burnt swift
But I’ve used ghostceus + caly before that
fossil knot
does caly run scarf
burnt swift
Quite a bit yes
fossil knot
gg
lime falcon
speed booster
speed booster doesn't do enough damage to break support arcs
crimson cave
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empty ocean
https://pokepast.es/1a965f57816ea0ac
Palafin is ass, ape is ass, oger is also ass
dire swift
Yeah you have way too many of the oubl mons who arent good in ag
Specifically as pigbeef said ape, palafin and ogrepon
The sets all look decent but I would say I am not a big fan of hazardless offense
But yeah I would suggest looking at some of the sample teams and checking out the viability rankings
Just so you have a better idea of what ag team structures look like and what the viable pokemon are
fringe totem
https://pokepast.es/3c88a2d7aa734230
first things first we would need to know what format this is for, you can either tell us, or if you go to the bottom of the team in your teambuilder, you should see a button that says "upload to pokepaste", then copy that pokepaste link because that will also tell us what format this team is built with in mind
fringe totem
ah
yeah uh, this is the right place, but you may want to consult the sample teams and viability rankings for the tier, as only two of the pokemon on your team are viable in AG, and none of them are running very optimal sets
blazing osprey
Is this not the forum for gen 7 teams.
fringe totem
Is this not the forum for gen 7 teams.
this is the place, however your team isn't super viable in the AG tier, given that many of your pokemon don't have the power output or stats or defensive cohesiveness required for the tier. I would highly recommend checking out the samples and VR I will link here
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blazing osprey
this is the place, however your team isn't super viable in the AG tier, given th...
Nah, I'd win.
volcarona will solo trust
i have another gen 7 ag team but it's kinda weak
hold on
Here it is https://pokepast.es/2860618994beb12c
fringe totem
yeah I would highly suggest clicking on the SM AG resource hub I linked right above, and taking a look at some of the sample teams listed there. Those should help you get a better feel of what pokemon are really strong in the format right now.
blazing osprey
My teams r mostly for fun and not actual competitive pvp
i will say this tho choice band marshadow hits like a mini island
empty ocean
My teams r mostly for fun and not actual competitive pvp
This is a competitive server so wrong place
And even for a fun team the moves are diabolical
Sludge wave zygarde
blazing osprey
shh
blazing osprey
~~Sludge wave zygarde~~
it's for the fairy types
lime falcon
not worth it, ever
empty ocean
https://pokepast.es/ab90568da93b9494
I love lorb eternatus + Sub Ho-Oh and dkiss encore caly rahhhhhhhh
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lime falcon
https://pokepast.es/ab90568da93b9494
I love lorb eternatus + Sub Ho-Oh and dkis...
what's the zacian counterplay and why is it the x button?
empty ocean
what's the zacian counterplay and why is it the x button?
Uhhhhh bait it with a life orb fire blast
Pretend it doesn’t exist
Ok but seriously idk if these sets can work, I mostly just like dkiss caly
worthy narwhal
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frosty timber
Rockceus…
frosty timber
https://pokepast.es/86c6bfb18b393e2d :trol:
Sash caly-s is pretty bad since tinglu and hazards are so common
Im not a big fan of icebeam on arceus water either but that might just be me
Dtail/willo would be better imo
lime falcon
yeah sash caly is bad here
the only ways to make it work are on HO or hatt structures
you'll be much better off with boots
worthy narwhal
Im not a big fan of icebeam on arceus water either but that might just be me
it is mostly here as "do shit if i get a bp"
mostly j clicks judge/twave
mild forge
mostly j clicks judge/twave
without wisp u get mowed down by ekiller hard
u arent running tera ghost korai or ruination lu so ekiller has billion turns to click SD and sweep
theres no real BP recepient on this
hdbless caly is also "click x on seeing webs"
worthy narwhal
without wisp u get mowed down by ekiller hard
I have taunt wisp rockceus
mild forge
erm
i'm blind
well even barring ekiller
zac-c is troublesome
esp if its tera electric wc
worthy narwhal
theres no real BP recepient on this
I have taunt wisp rockceus and miraidon
worthy narwhal
Tspikes sure
mild forge
needs tera poison somewhere
worthy narwhal
Lu does not beat basically anything considering triple taunt + arc water + korai
Can prob j make caly tgrass
mild forge
waterceus isnt doing shit to lu under sun + rocky and mirai dont like ruination
neither does your own lu
worthy narwhal
Idm taking ruins with rocky
mild forge
tbh bp caly is when ur worried about fat and stall
but rockceus already is good into those
worthy narwhal
This entire team was made as a middle finger to defense
mild forge
Idm taking ruins with rocky
u cant do much to it except burning it w wisp
worthy narwhal
Still fine w/ that
mild forge
This entire team was made as a middle finger to defense
it should fail to beat any ditto semistalls
worthy narwhal
it should fail to beat any ditto semistalls
Those j lose to rocky + korai in my experience
mild forge
mola + tera grass caly
u have to play more aggressive
to chip their lu and win first
but then again thats not really easy w their calys
- they often run etern and it just tspikes on water
if ur cteaming defense you could run like SD BP glisc
on some passive team
that'd beat anything fat while not losing to most HO things
teal field
https://pokepast.es/d7125ecdee5d8632 here is a balanced anything goes team featureing miradon. I usually play hyper offensive, but I decided to give balance teams a go. What do I need to change to make it better?
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teal field
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lime falcon
no ekiller on a bulky structure like this seems like you're asking to get picked apart by caly
for instance, specs caly has to get one grass knot right and then it just clicks astral and you lose
lime falcon
double cm arcs also feels a bit janky b/c atm you can't really beat ekiller reliably
since neither arc can willo it or phaze it or anything
teal field
for instance, specs caly has to get one grass knot right and then it just clicks...
ok, what do I need to replace ekiller with?
teal field
https://pokepast.es/ca4910ca1bd6d5d7 ok, I replaced arceus-ground with ekiller arc to avoid type overlap with Ting-Lu. How does it look now?
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dire swift
That team looks overall pretty solid
I would personally prefer defenive arc water with wisp over cm just to improve the teams mu vs ekiller and other physical attackers
teal field
I would personally prefer defenive arc water with wisp over cm just to improve t...
sounds good. thanks! any other changes you think I need to make?
dire swift
not really tbh, I think with wisp dragon tail arc water the team is very good
I do personally like bu ekiller more than sd but I think that is more personal preference
teal field
not really tbh, I think with wisp dragon tail arc water the team is very good
dragon tail? which move do you think I need to replace with that?
dire swift
ice beam
Arceus-Water @ Splash Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Judgment
- Dragon Tail
standard set looks like this
you want to keep judgement to beat pokemon that tera fire to avoid getting burned
lime falcon
there's no universal answer to that
the answer is always "it depends on their team"
you'll probably want to lead with korai or mirai in about 80% of games
maiden python
sweet you can post nfe stuff here too
if anyone is in need of building nfe stuff ping me
tulip sinew
last nfe player
midnight harbor
Woah holy shit a 1v1 rate
https://pokepast.es/1b84d4f28519d70f
Felt like building around Lando-I
To explain this set, I run CM over NP because +1 at 40 SpD lets him survive a LO Sylv Hyper Beam. Gravity is for stuff like Corv and Air Balloon Pecha
Goltres and Scizor are kinda scary for this three, and Sylv is still a rather shaky MU. And my Ursaluna answer is hope that I guess its set right and lead Val for Band or WOger for Guts/AV
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fossil knot
holy shit
ok so dont run gravity
smack down exists
idt sandsear storm does anything over earth power unless u had something in mind?
this team gets cooked by hoopa-u
midnight harbor
smack down exists
i forgor \💀
midnight harbor
this team gets cooked by hoopa-u
I thought it looked rough but ladder stinky and I never got to run into hoopa to confirm
fossil knot
ninetales alola is tricky
spectrier too
idr if volcarona can ko landoi without life orb
one sec
midnight harbor
idt sandsear storm does anything over earth power unless u had something in mind...
I think EP misses the OHKO on Corv
midnight harbor
smack down exists
Wait doesn't SF kinda kill smack
midnight harbor
Oh ok I thought it cancelled out the smack down effect
fossil knot
it doesnt
midnight harbor
ok so that might fix the golt MU because sandsear barely misses the kill at +1
Lemme calc it rq
0- Atk Life Orb Landorus Smack Down vs. 176 HP / 216 Def Moltres-Galar: 88-107 (24.1 - 29.3%) -- 99.3% chance to 4HKO
+1 216 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 176 HP / 0 SpD Moltres-Galar: 305-360 (83.5 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Yeah smack solves that issue
I think no gravity kinda kills the MU into Air Balloon Encore Protect Tinkaton but like it's Tinkaton so who cares
WOger should be able to take it anyway
midnight harbor
0- Atk Life Orb Landorus Smack Down vs. 176 HP / 216 Def Moltres-Galar: 88-107 (...
Also Smack into +1 EP isn't a guaranteed kill
+1 216 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 176 HP / 0 SpD Moltres-Galar: 274-324 (75 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
midnight harbor
this team gets cooked by hoopa-u
So how do we fix this
I was considering dropping IVal for smth else but I feel like that has its own much darker implications
Because currently the Hoops MU is hoping the opponent is running band and somehow accidentally forgot Zenbutt
fossil knot
uhhh i want to go to sleep
wait
run uhh
the anti pult set
for wellspring
u can beat slower hoopa with it
and faster ones r choiced so just click val
not the prettiest of solutions tho
n u still lose to ninetales alola but its a start
imean ig u can ignore offensive ninetales alola
midnight harbor
u can beat slower hoopa with it
Oh alr thank you
Perhaps we can continue this discussion tmrw
Thx for help and gn
midnight harbor
for wellspring
Wait which one is the anti pult one i can't find it on SmogDex or the set compendium
midnight harbor
Tysm
empty ocean
https://pokepast.es/90a03358a591ad36
am I cooking or am I gonna get cooked
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lime falcon
i think you forgot the caly-i counterplay
empty ocean
i think you forgot the caly-i counterplay
Man even the B tier mon?
I guess counterplay is taunt fairyceus and stuffthings and outplay every turn but you know I’m not good enough for that
empty ocean
i think you forgot the caly-i counterplay
Ok disregarding that one matchup is there anything else problematic
Because I don’t think being weak to a B tier mon is THAT big of a deal but ehhhhhhhhh
Double koraidon + miraidon feels really really strong into stall and I like that
Could load up with standard life orb too…
lime falcon
Because I don’t think being weak to a B tier mon is THAT big of a deal but ehhhh...
yeah but it’s common on ladder and it literally 6-0s you and there’s nothing you can do
it’s not just “weak” to it
it autowins against this team probably >90% of the time lmao
lime falcon
you can make the mu dramatically better by switching fairy to tera water
empty ocean
Oh yeah I forgot about that
I should probably do that even ice rider isn’t around
Even if
Tho I do get kinda uh…. Toxic eternatus go brrr
That’s one issue I found
lime falcon
anyway this kinda structure is broadly fine but as with any double mon team it’ll have some rough mus
ekiller will be tough to stop since you cant trick or encore it
empty ocean
Ye, I guess my main counterplay is hope it isn’t stone edge and / or Tera steel korai
I’ll change fairy to water, tho I think there might be ways to mitigate a a few important matchups
lime falcon
bu tera fire especially just slaughters you
empty ocean
Ekiller weak is something because Ekiller is more common that usual in AG
lime falcon
:/ dude caly-i is a menace take it seriously
It’s more of a threat than its VR rank suggests because it autowins if you don’t have one of its very few checks
if you have one you’re probably fine, otherwise you get cooked
empty ocean
Dang
Well… I still really like how dual korai plays
Guess I’ll have to use water fairy then, but water fairy is awesome regardless
empty ocean
who runs RMT
For this tier?
maiden python
for um and for all metagames
empty ocean
I don’t actually know the answer to that, especially if a badgeholder don’t either
Cuz I think different people run different tiers and there is no single central one controlling them all
But I could be wrong
surreal trellis
https://pokepast.es/84f36fa491845da8
AG team pls rate
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burnt swift
https://pokepast.es/84f36fa491845da8
AG team pls rate
This team is not viable in ag, none of the mons are strong enough to be usable competitively. I would suggest checking out sample teams and viability rankings for a better idea on the meta to start
surreal trellis
Ok thx
pliant mesa
https://pokepast.es/84f36fa491845da8
AG team pls rate
…Isn’t this team valid for OU? You don’t have a single uber
surreal trellis
…Isn’t this team valid for OU? You don’t have a single uber
Idk it might be, I made it for anything goes tho
I was just trying to make a team without using legendary or mythical pokemon because it feels like cheating
pliant mesa
except you're playing in a tier full of op mons with broken stats
pliant mesa
I was just trying to make a team without using legendary or mythical pokemon bec...
if you don't want to play with legendaries, don't play ag.
also, i don't see how it's cheating
midnight harbor
I was just trying to make a team without using legendary or mythical pokemon bec...
Avoiding to feel like cheating in the cheater tier is a choice
also
!nolegends
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empty ocean
https://pokepast.es/057a9ea3fac2adf5
I hate hurricanes all of my homies hate hurricane
Anyways I’m looking to build around defensive quiver dance oricorio and / or maybe OTR farigiraf
maiden python
I’d recommend a stealth rock setter
Or at least something that can spit hazards out
Swan doesn’t synergize very well with this offense oriented build; I’d recommend replacing it with a hazard setter or something considering you have a healing wish mesprit two attackers
empty ocean
Swan doesn’t synergize very well with this offense oriented build; I’d recommend...
Wait, no removal works in this tier?
teal field
https://pokepast.es/0a92c63ee1f3ea29 I had to reset my cookies to fix another website and in doing so, accidentally erased all my teams. 😭 So, I decided to start anew with a miradon balance team for AG. someone please tell me what I need to do to improve it?
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teal field
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dire swift
that team looks pretty solid overall
only thing I would change is make ekiller a defensive set with recover over earthquake
you could also make ekiller tera fire to prevent burns but tera normal also works
up to you
so something like this
teal field
I also made a hyper offense team based on S-Calyrex. I know I might need some work though, so plz give me some advice for it! https://pokepast.es/316451bcf3df1488
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dire swift
not awful but eternatus is not very good on hyper offense
in gen 9
also I would change glimmora to either tera steel or ghost
as an emergency block for rapid spin or mortal spin
I would also give glimmora mortal spin as well
and make ekiller mental herb or lum berry
over hdb
also I would make calyrex-shadow life orb here as well
the last slot is flexible since eternatus is gone
you can honestly go for a dual suicide lead offense with either ribombee or grimsnarl with this build or you can replace it with double dance miraidon
here are some exaples of ho teams I have built
with similar structures
I am actually not a huge fan of mono glimm structures and the last team is probably the weakest in my opinion
but these teams are overall pretty solid and have worked well for me
teal field
thx man
fossil knot
where 1v1 rates
dire swift
since you asked for it here is a 1v1 team for you to rate
note: I am very bad at 1v1
fossil knot
wait ill do this tmr
u dont beat lando type grounds tho
maybe like a bulky band hoopa with ice punch
ill check tmr
stable jackal
Koraidon @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Scale Shot
- Collision Course
- Flare Blitz
- Swords Dance
Miraidon @ Life Orb
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Electro Drift
- Dragon Pulse
- Volt Switch
- Agility
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Protect
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
Ho-Oh @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Brave Bird
- Whirlwind
- Earthquake
Zacian-Crowned @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Behemoth Blade
- Play Rough
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
Rillaboom @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Wood Hammer
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
Is this okay to play in Anything goes 9g ?
I made this team myself and went up to 1570 on showdown x)
lime falcon
a) no it's bad
b) please use pokepaste so you don't flood the chat
ok to be more granular uh
rillaboom is a terrible mon
just complete garbage
stable jackal
rillaboom is a terrible mon
I'm using it as a priority against calirex shadown to one shot it x)
lime falcon
also the team is really incoherent in that it has 3 offensive mons, two defensive mons, and no obvious gameplan
there's no miraidon check
yeah no there aren't any good priority options against caly
both arceus-normal and ting-lu are decent checks but they're slower and that's ok
if you want to be able to revenge caly you need a scarfer (think your own caly or korai)
stable jackal
there's no miraidon check
yeah you have a point, i tried to use gliscor but it's too weak so i went to ask here x)
lime falcon
tinglu!!
anyway i think you need to come up with a more coherent gameplan
you need a stronger defensive core so you can check opposing caly
stable jackal
I see, people in AG are pretty bad, cuz i continue to win with this team XD
lime falcon
ye low ladder is terrible
i got to 1600 with a flaaffy once for shits and giggles
pretty much anything works in low ladder
stable jackal
And it's funny to see that with only like 1550 you're in the top 500 XD
lime falcon
to be fair I've seen much worst first teams
at least you don't seem to have any problems with using legendaries or whatever
and you're using sets that aren't necessarily terrible
anyway my first few suggestions would be uh
stable jackal
to be fair I've seen much worst first teams
honestly, i'm a rain player in overused 8g, but i wanted to play Ag for fun, so i know how to play, but i don't really know the meta in there XD
lime falcon
switch koraidon to a choice scarf set (uturn flare blitz low kick outrage) with tera ghost
stable jackal
switch koraidon to a choice scarf set (uturn flare blitz low kick outrage) with ...
ok i'll see for that, seems cool with u turn x)
lime falcon
switch miraidon to a standard pivot set (uturn edrift meteor taunt) with boots and tera fairy
I'd drop gliscor for a tinglu (spikes earthquake payback whirlwind) with tera poison
I'd switch ho-oh to sfire bravebird recover whirlwind with tera fairy
I'd drop rillaboom for a bulky ekiller
stable jackal
well i'm switching the entire team x)
lime falcon
(arceus-normal with swords dance / espeed / recover / shadow claw with boots tera normal and 44 spe max atk rest in hp adamant)
it's mostly small changes outside of the two mons to replace
stable jackal
(arceus-normal with swords dance / espeed / recover / shadow claw with boots ter...
I pretty much hate arceus, is there another option ?
or i should say i hate to play it, i don't hate the mon in itself
lime falcon
uh
i mean it's kinda nice to have it as a secondary caly check
just lu is liable to get overwhelmed by caly and mirai pretty fast
stable jackal
ok i'll see for that one
lime falcon
i dont really like the zac set i think it needs wild charge to be able to get through waterceus and ho-oh
pick one of behemoth and play rough to drop
there isn't really a wrong answer, either is fine to drop
stable jackal
switch miraidon to a standard pivot set (uturn edrift meteor taunt) with boots a...
Why U-turn instead of volt switch ?
lime falcon
so it can't get blocked by grounds
uturn lets you pivot out of a predicted ting-lu switchin and chip it while switching out
stable jackal
Yeah, i tried to use it to see 5 minutes ago and it didn't work, i'll see tomorow XD
stable jackal
I made the changes, is it okay or did i forget something ?
lime falcon
looks fine
I'd swap zac to either tera electric or tera fire but
that's optional
zac should be low kick > collision course and tera ghost
stable jackal
Zac ?
stable jackal
Who should be terra ghost
And why is low kick better than colision ?
lime falcon
it does more damage to the many neutral targets
korai should be tera ghost
stuff like waterceus, chipped miraidon, opposing koraidon
if you've chipped a mirai it's really nice to be able to revenge kill it with low kick as opposed to being locked into outrage
also low kick does a lot more to waterceus and can conceivably get through it after some chip
stable jackal
But if the pokemon is not heavy then it's useless :/
lime falcon
who cares
all the good mons are heavy
or are mons you can't hit with it anyway (hatterene)
252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Water: 171-202 (38.7 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after 3 layers of Spikes
252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Water: 144-169 (32.6 - 38.3%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after 3 layers of Spikes
stable jackal
well, okay then
stable jackal
I'm strating to cherish Tinglu more than my own family when i see a calyrex shadow or a miraidon, so thanks x)
lime falcon
🙂 np
tulip sinew
Who should be terra ghost
And why is low kick better than colision ?
please never use collision on koraidon
stable jackal
It's a bit late to say it x)
I asked that 5 days ago x)
And i already replaced collision
fleet halo
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supple schooner
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lime falcon
hi sorry these teams aren't viable for ag
the power level for this tier is a lot higher than this
supple schooner
OU?
lime falcon
so mons like cinderace and meowscarada and ape and arch are all unviable
no idea, I don't play ou
supple schooner
ok fraco
lime falcon
if you'd like to play ag more
supple schooner
bye
lime falcon
if you'd like to play ag we have some sample teams you can try out: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ag-sample-teams-dlc-2-update-post-32.3727176/
tulip sinew
we all love ag
tulip sinew
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tulip sinew
So humble
true wasp
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charred sorrel
there are far better ag players than me
thanks
true wasp
https://pokepast.es/38d6238071f9ded1
for anyone asking, im going for hyper offense , im not legendary spamming, since this is ag im using the best mons, because, why not
lime falcon
for anyone asking, im going for hyper offense , im not legendary spamming, since...
nobody cares lol
this is the only way to build teams
why play a tier called "anything goes" if you're going to limit yourself to using shitmons
you're in good company dw
anyway off the bat this structure looks generally sound although I think lunala's pretty bad on HO, darkceus probably isn't the best arc for this, and you don't have a caly
especially on deo-s HO, you really need your own calyrex-s somehow so that you can speed tie with opposing calys and revenge zacian-c
as this currently stands there is no way to revenge zacian-c so if it gets one kill you essentially lose on the spot
I don't think there's room for mirai here
usually mirai's a bit of a momentum sink on HO because it lets tinglu spike up or gives dd turns to groundy, both of which are bad things
with those things in mind I think the big changes I would make are calyrex-s > lunala
probably just a standard lo set
then arceus-normal > arceus-dark (sd ekiller's great and it can run mental herb to not lose to encore caly)
and lastly probably dd groundy in for mirai although that's less important
I'd probably switch korai to tera ghost for espeed immunity and go to sd / play rough / wild charge / close combat on zac (sacred sword just sucks please never use it)
wild charge is vital to hit waterceus and ho-oh
also there's some specific evs you should run on deo
it doesn't need max spa or max spe
https://pokepast.es/1a31b624a45c81e3
at the end of the day you should end up with something like this i think
should be mostly a straight upgrade
true wasp
should be mostly a straight upgrade
alr ty
empty ocean
yeah never run sacred sword on zacian
Unless you need some anti IDCM tech for that specific tournament game
Oh yeah and don’t use heavy slam miraidon
fringe totem
true
maiden python
Espurr is seriously outclassed but can be a fun pick
You’d probably want to run a competitive set if you want to make full use of it
tulip sinew
You know what we all need
more ag players
west flume
https://pokepast.es/07b4c258086fe8c3 best ag team oat, no complains
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slender peak
:/
lime falcon
:\
sly wharf
:|
empty ocean
https://pokepast.es/eede82fafad8fa63
im hella rusty with this tier, but i like taunt caly, so im tryna build around it.
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lime falcon
these calys don't run max spa
they run 180 def for korai flare blitz
really important if for whatever reason you can't get webs up
broadly this is fine I think but
I don't really like mirai on webs
it's definitely not as good at taking advantage of the speed reduction as other mons
you'd probably be better served by a groundy or something
empty ocean
you'd probably be better served by a groundy or something
Mmm.. just dd groundy? I’ll go fix the sets!
lime falcon
that might be good yeah
im really not sure about that korai set
it's probably ok but I don't really like korai that can't break steels on webs
empty ocean
it's probably ok but I don't really like korai that can't break steels on webs
Maybe I’ll go with taunt blitz or taunt flame charge instead
empty ocean
Uhh, arc fairy? Arc water?
lime falcon
dont you beat those anyway if you're tera steel?
empty ocean
Arc water runs twave a lot
empty ocean
At least when I play, so it doesn’t do nothing into caly
Or Tera fire koraidon that sometimes gets a little greedy
The Brazilian arc always gets them
But I’ll probably change it to a different move regardless
Maybe sd low kick iron scale is the play here
teal field
https://pokepast.es/25a351e6c72652af ok, I got an AG HO Dual Screens team featuring Shadow Calyrex. How can I make this better? Note: While I prefer it if Miradon remains on the team, I am ok with taking him off if it makes my team better.
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lime falcon
parting shot grimm sucks
it just lets lu in and then lu spikes in your face
you need play rough to be able to deter tinglu
running a zac that can't hit ekiller or opposing zac is certainly a choice
teal field
running a zac that can't hit ekiller or opposing zac is certainly a choice
I was pulling the sets of of thee strat pokedex. How can I fix this (also sry for late reply, I was in class)
lime falcon
crunch zac isn't very good imo
if you run cc over crunch that kinda resolves a lot of those problems
no hazards screens in general isn't very good imo
i think this team would benefit a lot from slotting a glimmora in somewhere otherwise you'll get chewed up by random sashes on ladder
teal field
i think this team would benefit a lot from slotting a glimmora in somewhere othe...
ok, what should I replace with glimm?
lime falcon
idk probably mirai
although you could drop zac but like
zac is kinda important to not instantly lose to opposing mirais
at any rate this is probably the wrong miraidon set for this team
if you're going to run mirai it should probably be the tera fairy eseed set
this set is stupid here because you don't have a korai to set sun so you can never use solar beam
teal field
at any rate this is probably the wrong miraidon set for this team
like I said, I was following strat pokedex and it said life orb miradon was a good partner. but ok, I will replace it with glimm
lime falcon
a good partner for what?
teal field
a good partner for what?
for the Calyrex-S set I used
(used the tera-fairy set)
ok, here is my updated team, do I need to change anything else? https://pokepast.es/606af552baee139c
@lime falcon
lime falcon
ok, here is my updated team, do I need to change anything else? https://pokepast...
I'd switch zac to tera electric or fighting probably and you might consider taunt over sedge on ekiller but this looks ok
torpid anvil
I would be down to be added back to 1v1 rating
credentials:
- literal former TL
- was on the winning 1v1 PL team and I built the teams for my 2-0 SV record as well as most of the teams most weeks in the BW slot
- I play the tier daily on ladder and build sometimes
doesn't seem that popular but couldn't hurt
fossil knot
doesn't seem that popular but couldn't hurt
we havent had a rate in like half a year
but sure ig
i vouch
slim latch
https://pokepast.es/3c8889de9d6e155a what do you guys think about this random team or is this one better https://pokepast.es/c3d47b0e029fa901
crystal palmBOT
New [Gen 9] Anything Goes RMT @lime falcon, @burnt swift, @dire swift, @charred sorrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
fringe totem
https://pokepast.es/3c8889de9d6e155a what do you guys think about this random te...
neither of these are ag teams. You want like https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1297721195604611163
lavish sorrel
Should I take out Ho-Oh out
https://pokepast.es/2ceeec779098f894
crystal palmBOT
New [Gen 9] Anything Goes RMT @lime falcon, @burnt swift, @dire swift, @charred sorrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
dire swift
Should I take out Ho-Oh out
https://pokepast.es/2ceeec779098f894
I would suggest using a sample team until you have a better feel for the meta
crystal palmBOT
dire swift
I would also suggest looking at the viability ranking as well
A few of the pokemon on your team arent really that good in anything goes and the pokemon on your team dont really synergize well together
Like sneasler is really only ever usable with unburden sets on offense teams with miraidon to set up electric terrain and flutter mane is only usable with koraidon to set up sun
And palafin is almost unusable in ag due to the high amount of koraidon usage
Here is a team I would suggest trying out
vernal horizon
does anyone know if this team is any good for AG? - https://pokepast.es/06ca62ddf746862b
crystal palmBOT
New [Gen 9] Anything Goes RMT @lime falcon, @burnt swift, @dire swift, @charred sorrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
empty ocean
does anyone know if this team is any good for AG? - https://pokepast.es/06ca62dd...
Urshifu sucks
You don’t have speed control either
So any HO will run this over
Shadow rider with Tera easily claps
vernal horizon
Urshifu sucks
yeah he kinda gets dogged on in my games but i was struggling with stall, what would you reccomend instead to deal with stall
like toxapex was fucking me up
fringe totem
you have mirai
vernal horizon
you have mirai
good point i might be stupid
empty ocean
Stall has many methods to deal with, such as…
Taunt caly shadow
Taunt koraidon
Mewtwo np LO(ass outside of dealing with stall)
I can think of a lot of ways you can cteam stall
Band korai etc
This miraidon set doesn’t deal with stall all that well tbf
Any good stall isn’t gonna fold to standard sets
vernal horizon
since i have groundon for sun as well should i just use him to set mira for solar beam and just band kora for stall?
lime falcon
Stall has many methods to deal with, such as…
Taunt caly shadow
Taunt koraidon...
please dont recommend unsets
mewtwo is a complete shitmon and there are far better ways to break stall
vernal horizon
like drop loaded dice for outrage band?
lime falcon
groudon is pretty bad
to be frank 3/6 of these mons suck and dont belong on serious teams
magearna, groudon, and urshifu are all pretty much unviable
this is missing some important parts of any ag team
like a calyrex-shadow or miraidon switchin
vernal horizon
magearna, groudon, and urshifu are all pretty much unviable
who would be better in groudons place for dealing with phys attackers
vernal horizon
like a calyrex-shadow or miraidon switchin
i hate that horse im so bad with it, be real do i need to bite the bullet and learn the dumb horse
lime falcon
?
I'm not saying it's mandatory
I'm saying having something that can switch into it is mandatory
you dont have a single mon on this team that switches into it or even takes a hit
vernal horizon
oh like ho-oh
lime falcon
NO
ho-oh is not a caly check
you need a tinglu
basically every balance team needs a tinglu
it checks miraidon and calyrex-s in one slot which is very important
vernal horizon
doesnt ho-oh have crazy special bulk tho?
vernal horizon
specs caly 2hkos it
damn even with sitrus?
lime falcon
and np psyshock sets which are common on hyper offense also just blow straight through it
what.
caly has unnerve
and also you need to run boots on ho-oh lmfao
also you need a choice scarf mon that can outspeed caly so that you can revenge kill it
usually scarf koraidon is a good pick to pair with that mirai
vernal horizon
so drop groundon for tinglu then mag for someone like zacian?
vernal horizon
also you need a choice scarf mon that can outspeed caly so that you can revenge ...
what are good scarf mons?
other than caly
lime falcon
koraidon
no zac isn't going to work here a cm fairyceus is not enough to beat koraidon
vernal horizon
will my kora be fine with scarf if i swap scale for outrage?
lime falcon
especially a cm fairyceus that also cannot check zacian-c at all
here's a team I have that has a roughly similar structure
the key things are a) tinglu b) ho-oh and c) ekiller (for a secondary caly check)
vernal horizon
i seee
empty ocean
please dont recommend unsets
That’s why I had a disclaimer that it’s ass outside of breaking stall
lime falcon
That’s why I had a disclaimer that it’s ass outside of breaking stall
but there's no point mentioning it
like you're genuinely doing them a disservice by even suggesting something that is so worthless
empty ocean
Noted
lime falcon
besides, if you really want to delete stall you could do stuff with more general viability like hattpass into ogre or a kyuw or something like that
vernal horizon
https://pokepast.es/d089dcc6226c644b
tysm ill try to climb using this team
lime falcon
kyuw is itself pretty fringey but it's still more useful into non-stall structures than m2
gl
empty ocean
Kyurem white?
lime falcon
yes i have been laddering recently with a kyuw hatt poisonceus team
it's not particularly good but I've been bouncing around the 1900s so it's definitely at least ok
lavish sorrel
Here is a team I would suggest trying out
Thanks
icy bane
crystal palmBOT
New [Gen 9] Anything Goes RMT @lime falcon, @burnt swift, @dire swift, @charred sorrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
icy bane
https://pokepast.es/c4a999988391963b
This is my fried t team ive mad
I want something better just in general even if it’s a entirely new team
As you can tell
I like maushold…
crystal palmBOT
lime falcon
@icy bane you should check out the sample teams
icy bane
<@869961179341135903> you should check out the sample teams
Gotcha! Il do that and come back to see and report i guess
lime falcon
👍
icy bane
👍
The teams are pretty cool
Do you think I could build off maushold?
Cuz I like maushold a lot
lime falcon
no it's really bad lol
it has some fringe viability on some hyper offense teams but it's far from splashable
icy bane
no it's really bad lol
Hmmmm. Well
I like building and using some weird starts in other games. Is there anything like that.
Well
Maushold i use because it’s pretty funny to population bomb people after tidy up and baton passing around
lime falcon
sure I mean you can use anything you want
if you want to actually win games im afraid weird stuff isn't usually the best way to go
icy bane
if you want to actually win games im afraid weird stuff isn't usually the best w...
Ohhh
Thats fair
What about a team that is just for going up against people
Im not a big fan of using a lot of legendaries
Im mainly here because I want to make a team to help beat my friend
lime falcon
if you're not a big fan of using a lot of legendaries you should find a different tier to play
the tier exists partially as a place to use a lot of legendaries
icy bane
if you're not a big fan of using a lot of legendaries you should find a differen...
The discord bot took me here lol
lime falcon
it's kinda the whole point
icy bane
I don’t know what these abbreviations mean…
icy bane
it's kinda the whole point
Yeah
It’s a really helpful bot!
lime falcon
Ohhh
Thats fair
What about a team that is just for going up against people
Im no...
I'm confused what you think these teams are for
if they're not for "going up against people"
the entire purpose of these teams is to win games and be fairly easy for new players to use