RU Rates

[vestal delta]

(on Tera Blast for Magnezone)

so, Agility on Lucario is good, then?

(and swapping from MM to Crunch)

[whole tulip]

Hm, not really sure about agility on lucario

Crunch is fine to beat slowbro

Typically you use lucario as an SD sweeper with e-speed

[vestal delta]

My reasoning was that I lost Agility by ditching Gallade, and Mimikyu has priority + SD so Lucario can outspeed anything. I'll change Lucario back to SD though

[ripe agate]

Hiii
um

im a newbie and made my first team ever
i dont know much about pokemon PVP just some general things (or not) and i thought RU would be easier for me so i made a RU team and only won 1 match with it, can i send it for advices?

[spark sapphire]

Of course!

[ripe agate]

Ah thanks :D
and please dont make fun of me i just started..

here it is

i know its so bad
but i managed to won 1 match

so i js wanted to ask if its good or not-

[spark sapphire]

Definitely unorthodox give me just one second

Very slow team, umm, I don’t know how rain dance could be useful on magnezone (no offense)

Usually in RU gardevoirs run choice scarf

[ripe agate]

Ah its for Thunder!

but..
i think its dumb too

i dont have any accurate moves on him

except hyper beam

[ripe agate]

Oh thanks!! :D

ill swap rn-

and also
i wanna build the team around gardevoir

Is it that bad tho..?

[spark sapphire]

Magenzone’s moves are usually volt switch, flash cannon, discharge and body press

But since your evs are in spd probably not body press

[spark sapphire]

Gardevoir is great in this tier

[ripe agate]

Oh should i switch EV's?

[spark sapphire]

Well yes, but there’s so much going on with this team that the changes that should be made is like

The evs are the least of your worries

[ripe agate]

Ooh..

i dont know what strategy is sorry
i js thought about coverage - some speedsters and defenders

like that

[spark sapphire]

You need some sort of hazards and since you have a focus sash talonflame, you need like 2 hazards removals

[ripe agate]

Like rapid spin?

oh and defog right

[spark sapphire]

Rapid Spin, defog

[ripe agate]

thats all i know

[ripe agate]

Which move should i switch?

[spark sapphire]

Well give me one second

I’m gonna give you a team of mine so we can compare and contrast

[ripe agate]

Is it built around gardevoir toooo?

[spark sapphire]

Yeah

[ripe agate]

aah ty :D

[spark sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/3a79a1d6395e7f4b

We’re really strapped for hazard removal in this tier so Talonflame is usually defensive, ya’know? Not offensive like how you have yours

[ripe agate]

Wait

i think i saw a team like this before

is it popular??

[ripe agate]

is this tier good for beginners tho.-

[spark sapphire]

Well, not so much popular, just standard, you’ll see a lot of teams like this or follow a similar beat to this

[spark sapphire]

I mean, it’s how I got my start, I would say it’s one of the more welcoming communities

[ripe agate]

Thank you so much!!!
ill build another team based on hazard removal as you said.-

um also

any tips for me?

like general

[spark sapphire]

Don’t play the game one turn at a time, think about every move you make and what consequences it’ll have multiple turns in the future

[livid fog]

mid laddered with this team a while back, putting it here to see how it still holds up lmao

https://pokepast.es/c8de42ab637a1299

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[livid fog]

iirc the leafeon was there cause i needed a wish user alongside a grass type

[whole tulip]

Okay, so firstly, leafeon is not good, especially that set. The only reason you would use leafeon is on sun teams, and even then its outclassed by lilligant hisui.
Secondly, all these sets are bad. Energy ball reun is like, okay? But I think having shadow ball is better to deal with jirachi and armarouge easier. Geezing should be tera steel and clear smog IDT is worth it, but honestly, if you wanna keep smog, then thats fine. Also special defense is just bad, phys defense is much better.
Bisharp typically wants some speed, standard spread is fine. Tera blast flying doesn't do much, so it should be throat chop or low kick if you want to beat steels.
AV pert isn't really great, but especially adamant max attack. If you want to use pert, it needs to be a rocker, standard set is prob fine.
Scarf terrakion is fine ngl, but you want a jolly nature cause adamant means zapdos galar outspeeds you if they are scarf, which a lot are.

https://pokepast.es/06b751bc961ba6e2
This is the updated team. Noivern is here to help deal with volcanion and other water types.

[modern sedge]

How is this?
https://pokepast.es/3efbf39acaaec899

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[modern sedge]

The mystic water on Empoleon can be replaced, I just like obeying item clause

[whole tulip]

Okay, so firstly, forre isn't good, its only really used on weather archetypes, but even there it has competition. You can probably replace it with something else. A dragon, something like noivern, is probably fine, but up to you to choose.
Zapdos galar usually wants close combat, since its higher immediate damage is very nice.
Geezing set is fine, so you don't need to change it.
Entei I would consider going HDB, as thats a lot better in general. Entei should also be either tera normal to give boosted extreme speed's, or tera gras if you go tera blast route.
Mmq is fine, you can consider tera fire to setup on geezing.
Empoleon you can make lefties cause you don't have forre anymore. I also think you need either roar or knock off on empoleon, as otherwise it is volcanion setup fodder. You can probably drop flip turn for one of those options.

Actually, make forretress a gastrodon with storm drain as the ability

Then drop defog on geezing and make it another move, toxic or toxic spikes is a good option

Then you ofc need to make entei boots

https://pokepast.es/2f6938eb62b91bc0

This would be the new team

It goes in a more spikestack route

But that is a very good playstyle rn

[modern sedge]

@whole tulip I just tried the team and I'm not really sure about toxic spikes, I keep encountering teams in which like half or more is immune to toxic spikes

I also changed storm for sticky since I was struggling with pokes with trick

[neon portal]

Can someone please put together a really good team that will win everyone with this typing: dark fighter ghost fire with the tier national dex ru pu zu rubl zubl publ

@whole tulip

@spark sapphire

[spark sapphire]

Oohhh nat dex?

Does nat dex only go down to RU?

[neon portal]

yes my brother

[spark sapphire]

I only have the knowledge for S/V RU rn

[neon portal]

ah

sorry

[spark sapphire]

No worries, best of luck tho

[neon portal]

👍

but you can assemble a team with the dark typing fighter ghost fire mational dex ru rubl

@spark sapphire

[spark sapphire]

Probably not, I haven’t even touched nat dex this entire gen

Like I could but it’ll take a lot of trial and error since I’m not at a part of the ladder that standard stuff would be ran

[neon portal]

hm

[gleaming vault]

natdex ru has a discord

you could ask around there

[whole tulip]

You can make toxic spikes anything tbh. Toxic, clear smog, whatever you want

[modern sedge]

got it

[neon portal]

To where?

[gleaming vault]

.

[viral shard]

under there

[spark sapphire]

hehhehe

[neon portal]

Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Spore
• Swords Dance
• Mach Punch
• Bullet Seed

Steelix @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Stone edge
• Toxic

Mienshao @ Choice Band
Ability: Regenrator
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Triple Axel

Blaziken @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 144 HP / 252 Atk / 112 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Flare Blitz
• Close Combat
• Protect

Gligar @ Eviolite
Ability: Immunity
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature

• Roost
• Defog
• Earthquake
• Steal Rock

Polteageist @ White Herb
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 28 HP / 32 Def / 252 SpA / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shell Smash
• Shadow Ball
• Stored Power
• Giga Drain

Is the team good?

For ZU RU PU gen 8 with typing: Dark Ghost Fighter Ground

Blaziken is our starter

And he is mandatory in the Team

[viral shard]

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[safe geode]

https://pokepast.es/6e518a5cc9d4e44a

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[safe geode]

new to tier but im kinda confident here

[whole tulip]

Honestly, team is pretty solid I think. Only thing would be will-o-wisp over t-wave on gengar, but other then that not much to comment on

You could maybe do another ground over mamo though

[safe geode]

i mean i got wisp on geezing

and i wanted a phys breaker that was ground with rocks so i went mamo

[whole tulip]

T-wave is still good on gengar

[safe geode]

plus shard would be nice for gapdos

[whole tulip]

Rhyperior is another option over mamo, gives the team a bit more defensive leeway

But if you want to stick to mamo, thats also fine

This is still a generally strong team

[safe geode]

yeah i just like mamo more offensively plus i was checking out vrs and it was higher so

bad conclusion but

no ev or tera changes?

maybe tera dark on bisharp?

maybe even nevermenlt on mamo?

[whole tulip]

Never melt ice is probably good on mamo yeah

Tera dark on bisharp is more on the niche side

I would stick to either flying or ghost on this team

[safe geode]

maybe dtail on hoodra?

over like prot

[whole tulip]

You can, but I think you have enough anti setup options on the team already

[safe geode]

i mean im only thinking thsat cuz boots less common here i feel and i just had a tera steel appletun set up iron defenses on me im not having a great time

maybe if i go dtail i also run av?

[whole tulip]

AV on hoodra is fine

You could do acid spray if you want to

Gives hoodra more breaking power

[safe geode]

oooooh i love that

same ev spread?

[whole tulip]

Yes

[safe geode]

gotcha

i just wish i had some phasing here

actually do i even need it

https://pokepast.es/de8d9f4b920e7499 finalproduct?

also thoughts on rest talk mental herb for suicune?

also maybe sash over ice on mamo i think could be nice in lead scenarios

[whole tulip]

Yeah, this looks good

Rest talk suicune is a good set but not with mental herb

Sash mamo is more for HO, but this is more of a BO/Offense team

[safe geode]

i see

so no more changes?

[whole tulip]

Yeah, should be good

[safe geode]

thank you so much!

[whole tulip]

Np

[safe geode]

wait actually if im going acid spray hoodra should i run flash cannon over heavy slam?

[whole tulip]

Flash cannon would be better yes

You could also do flamethrower

To hit steels

Or earthquake

[safe geode]

thinking flamethrower cuz i have no fire coverage

finding im not clicking twave at all on gengar might go tspikes

[whole tulip]

Tspikes is a good option yeah

Destiny bond as well

[neon portal]

Can someone put together a National Dex RU gen 8 team and the Pokémon have to have some of this typing Dark Fighter Ghost Ground

[safe geode]

https://pokepast.es/17bce534e224ada9

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[safe geode]

still getting used to the tier

also debating resto chesto tb flying gyara

[faint panther]

The team is quite slow for something that skews offensive, with mag craw and Slither all kind of competing for the same slow breaker role

[safe geode]

so what should i do

[whole tulip]

Did you want to build around craw or just build an offense team?

[safe geode]

more or less the craw zone mence core but im willin to make changes to it

maybe scarf zone could be funny

[rough raven]

I started RU recently, what do you think of my team ?(currently 1135 elo I played like 4-5 games)
It's a sticky offense btw

[viral shard]

You need to post the link in order to ping raters

[rough raven]

https://pokepast.es/d31bf7afa8b6e65b

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[rough raven]

Oooooh okay I didn't know that

[rough raven]

thanks

[whole tulip]

Alright, so this team looks like a mishmash between HO and a more BO team. We will prob have to decide which method you want to go with.
If we go HO, gapdos, bee, mmq and maybe mamo will stay, while if we go BO, bee and maybe mmq might go.

One thing I will say first up, use jolly max speed on gapdos

Also I would just use 252 attack for mmq

The other evs we can work on later though

[obtuse fossil]

can anyone help me with my team

https://pokepast.es/df1d442141e94c8b

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[faint panther]

Team looks fine for the most part, chesnaught + registeel + cyc + slowbro is an established bulky offense core and gweez is a fine addition to that.... but gweez + rotom-heat is really slow

[whole tulip]

I would prob swap out geezing for some speed control ngl

I would also not use synthesis and leech seed on the same chesnaught set

One of spikes, iron defense or super fang would be better

Though spikes is probably the more splashable option

Since you already have regi for the id+bp role

[whole tulip]

Scarf gengar could work if you wanted

[faint panther]

https://pokepast.es/f359c7fa40690cbc scarf gap + specs gengar gives you great speed control and breaking power when you put spikes on chesnaught

[obtuse fossil]

alright

thank you for the advice

[neon portal]

What are the best Pokémon in the National Dex RU gen 8?

[minor mango]

https://pokepast.es/8fed5445dd2e82da the niche krookodile set isn’t working out as well now that I’m climbing ladder, ppl tend to position better and can wall setup with a fairy/priority, I still don’t hate the set but he’s just too frail and gets 1 shot/outsped all the time. I’m also not dead set on kleavor, if he gets up rocks he usually doesn’t come back in for the rest of the game and I’m usually forced to lead him just for hazards, he’s not bad and his damage is great but sorta meh here, I really just want rocks for sash the would counter my setup. I’m still not too familiar with the RU meta, so anything anti meta that can get rocks up would be great.

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Wrong channel you want "natdex non ou"

[whole tulip]

Okay, so there are quite a few issues with this team. Kleavor isn't really a great mon, but if you do want to use it, its as a HO lead.
Power trip krook simply just won't work. A normal rocker set would be better. Krookodiles main threat level is that it can use knock off to hit switch-ins
Scarf volcanion is very niche, it typically wants to switch up moves, and unlike specs, it doesn't have the raw breaking power to make up for it.
Cyclizar is better as an AV user, typically specially defensive. I would just go with a standard AV set.
Mmq is fine, not much to comment on that.
Minior honestly is just not good rn, it competes with drednaw and tortera as shell smashers, and they typically are a lot more threatening then minior

[minor mango]

Honestly yeah I get most of that, tbh I thought scarf volc was much more common, and I was really using it to break into other speed tiers. I did originally have cyclizar as a spedef set, but switched it to def as it didn’t wall anything especially well, just felt still too weak. Honestly minor is working out well rn cause no one expects high hp minior and it tanks pretty well, but I’ll switch him out once he turns sour. I def want krook off the team, and if there’s a better alternative for kleavor I’m open to suggestions. If there’s a fast enough mon that does those roles then I’d be happy to run specs/boots/life orb volc, but rn he and mimikyu are kinda carrying the team. Also I am running minior over other setup because he discourages status and ground moves which I’m sorta weak to both and he has some surprising calcs if you get him in at the right time. Kleavor and krook are definitely weak links and I’ll try switching back cyc to the spedef set and finding a physical wall

[dense heath]

Well, if you want, you can make a HO team with kleavor lead as heatranator said and keeping mimikyu

Minior is not weak obviously but in the tier there are many things that can easily stop him even though he is fragile.

[dense heath]

Can you name another Pokémon that can replace Krookodile with the buff function?

[minor mango]

There’s latios in UU that can run a very similar set, I’m just looking for something that can sweep and that I don’t have coverage for rn. I tend to back away from HO generally, I just like to have some mons to pivot and block opposing setup, then the rest offensive 🙂

[dense heath]

So let's take it slow, to start with in the team you would like to keep kleavor and mimikyu right?

[minor mango]

Uhh no, I said I’m probably keeping everything but kleavor and krook, just looking for a SR setter and something with a high speed tier so I can run a stronger volc set, I’m thinking about maybe just using scarf kleavor but other ideas would be appreciated.

[dense heath]

Well, you can make Cyclizar with Assault Vest; it's a good pivot and clears hazards in addition to having good Special Defense. Kleavor with a scarf is not a bad idea; it can work, just be careful with Stealth Rock on it since it's a scarf. If you want to keep Volcanion, you can use the standard set from Smogon

What do you think of Kleavor boots?

https://pokepast.es/23f623d9ba61f382

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[dense heath]

ops xd

[vestal delta]

(EDIT: This has been made obsolete) So, in my attempts to adjust my team for the new meta, I think I made some mistakes: https://pokepast.es/5fd665a8ebcb5c53

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[vestal delta]

So I made some adjustments and still need to consider a few things. After losing to Slowbro, I switched Lucario from Ice Punch to Crunch. Gligar is in over Krookodile because I want my Stealth Rock setter and Earthquake User to not be as frail. Goodra-H is out for Armarouge because I wanted something a bit faster and more powerful overall.

Here it is: https://pokepast.es/2a9151f857515dc1 (Edited to fix a c/p error)

wait

um

here: https://pokepast.es/2a9151f857515dc1

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[vestal delta]

not sure about the c/p error

[faint panther]

The issue with teams like this is that it's not really fitting either of offense/ho or bulky offense, trying to do a little bit of both without a clear identity

Like Gligar and Talonflame are trying to be defensive backbones but your offensive mons aren't the kind of get in and do damage mons that you want on bo

[vestal delta]

Cyclizar over talonflame, then? Not sure what I'd put in place of Gligar. Back to Swampert for the power, tera dragon Rhyperior, or a sacrificial lead like Azelf or Lycan?

[minor mango]

Just to be clear, I’m not a mod or anything so don’t take too much from my words, but I like the ideas in the team a lot. I think you are right that cyclizar would a be a good talon replacement, it’s essentially the same thing but more defensive and can pivot. I love the mimikyu idea, but it does mean he’s gonna lack a lot of power if they have a second threat, or just something to force an attack. I’m not sure if boots rouge is better than sash if you’re trying to remove hazards, but I get it, sometimes hard to switch around attacks while hazards are up. I think my main concern is lucario, it has essentially the same function as mimikyu just harder to use, but I can understand it if there’s a game where red card won’t do much. And if gligar isn’t working I’d go with maybe sr jiraichi or something with some other function too. Good team tho 👍

[vestal delta]

jirachi for parahax... I can see that. Wish I'd remembered Jirachi was an option

[vestal delta]

(as for lucario: higher base power moves and higher base attack, as well as espeed being +2 instead of most prio +1)

[obtuse gyro]

https://pokepast.es/cce1b2d5be0aca67

Hello, I'm trying to form a team with Gyarados, but I can't seem to create synergy with these Pokémon. What could I change to make it playable, please?

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[vestal delta]

Slither Wing was promoted to UU.

[obtuse gyro]

yeah but basically we play the teams in the upper tier but with the June regulation so G-Weezing in RU and Slither Wing in RU then

It's not for the ladder, it's for a private tournament and my opponent and I agreed to play the old regulation, the one from June.

but we can adapt it to the July regulation, you just have to tell me what to change

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They might be fine with it just generally stuff like that is more specialized

[obtuse gyro]

Ah okay sorry

[vestal delta]

I was recently inspired to overhaul my team and do a few replacements: https://pokepast.es/8d0f9a6bfe15ac3c

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[vestal delta]

since it sort-of cut off (I keep forgetting about no scrolling the notes -_-):
My concerns: some vulnerability to Stall, only one priority move when I'd prefer to have more, insufficient anti-cheese.

[whole tulip]

I think my main thing here is that talon doesn't seem amazing here

I think you could make mag av

And then swap talon for somehing else

Cause this is more of an offense team

And non u-turn talon doesn't sound great

for offense

[vestal delta]

what would replace talon? Cyclizar? (I want some sort of hazard removal)

[whole tulip]

Cyclizar is prob the next best replacement yeah

[vestal delta]

huh, just remembererd that Noivern is a thing; custom variant of the bulky support?

[whole tulip]

Defog Noivern isn't too bad ngl

But you would have to replace mence

[vestal delta]

too much ice/dragon weakness?

*ice/dragon/fairy

[whole tulip]

They just overlap way too much defensively

[vestal delta]

maushold tidy up?

[whole tulip]

Maushold can also work yeah

[vestal delta]

gives me three setup sweepers there

[whole tulip]

You could do make mag AV and then talon maus

[vestal delta]

talon maus sacrificing salamence?

[whole tulip]

No

So

[vestal delta]

sacrificing lucario?

[whole tulip]

Okay

Lemme show you what I mean

https://pokepast.es/3480d6c9aa2e72b4

Like this is what I mean

[vestal delta]

oh, swapping talon to maus

okay

[whole tulip]

Ye

[vestal delta]

I thought you meant both at once

[whole tulip]

Nah

[vestal delta]

magnezone: tera grass for the ground resist and hoping I don't get predicted with a flying move?

[whole tulip]

Uh

[vestal delta]

(and keeping my ability to shred a water mon)

[whole tulip]

You can make it bp

If you want

But tera blast grass can be nice

for gastro and stuff

which means that maus can go bite

[vestal delta]

I was thinking quagsire, but yeah

[whole tulip]

I just copied the moveset over

[vestal delta]

when you mentioned tera blast

[whole tulip]

Quagsire too

But gastro mainly has helm

With sticky hold

and that ofc is a problem for maus

[vestal delta]

yeah, my answer to maus used to be geezing with helm

ooh and base 111 speed is one better than gengar, so scarf gengar will die to bite... lemee do the math

yeah, I like that

one tidy up and it's my new main answer to scarf gapdos

Encore over Bullet Seed?

[whole tulip]

Encore is nice anti bs tech

Bullet seed is useful too though

Up to you

[vestal delta]

encore the setup sweeper or someone using a move I'm immune to? I can totally see that. I hate when it's done to me, so I guess it's payback time

thanks!

[whole tulip]

Np

[vestal delta]

oh, quick last thing

with the grass types getting banned overall

is Poison still good on Swampert?

(and with Fez and Geezing promoted)

[whole tulip]

Poison is still good yeah

Fighting resist and toxic immune

Is never not going to be good

[vestal delta]

kk, thanks again

nicknaming my team and then going to bed

[lunar mesa]

https://pokepast.es/8c4ac3feaee357ca

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[lunar mesa]

drought team

[whole tulip]

Alright, so this team has a lot of issues I can see. Every set besides lycandusk (which even then has play rough over something more useful like stone edge), is just simply bad. If you want to make a sun team, then ninetales absolutely has to be heat rock, as otherwise sun does not work. You would also have to replaced basically every other member of the team here btw.
I'm going to suggest you look at samples first though, or if you are using sets, then use the sample ones.

!samples

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If a user has recommended you use a sample team this is not meant as a slight. Creating a successful team can be incredibly difficult without metagame knowledge and experience playing; sample teams reduce the barrier to entry by letting you jump in and start gaining that knowledge.

RU (Gen 9)

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• Tiering information
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[median marlin]

https://pokepast.es/5f3f6b1ac4b3cfdb

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[median marlin]

Is this team usable?

[whole tulip]

This is a somewhat standardish rain team ngl. Only things I would change would be to make the evs 252/252 for all the mons, make basculegion flip turn+tera blast ghost. Then you can make brambleghast a jirachi set of stealth rock, iron head, u-turn, healing wish. You won't have any spinner, but it still should work well enough since you have boots on your flying types

[median marlin]

ok, thank you very much

Do you have any suggestions for EV spreads and Tera Type for Jirachi?

[whole tulip]

Standard defensive with tera water should work well

[vestal delta]

So, I've been having some problems with Entei while using this. My best ideas for countering it are adding Volcanion, Lycanrock-Dusk, Terrakion, Gengar, or a scarf user that can hurt it better than Gardevoir's Psyshock can do (such as Gapdos). I briefly considered Slowbro, but I think that's too defense/support for this team.

Thoughts there?

[whole tulip]

Entei is def an issue yeah, I think you could maybe add volcanion here over Lucario, but then I'm a bit concerned with the bisharp mu

Slowbro is also a good option though

A cm set does do well

And IDT its too defensive for this team

If you want to keep up momentum, eject button is good

Another option is making mence facade

Allows you to punish sacred fire burn pretty hard

Ofc, you will be scared out by stone edge

But then you can pivot to pert on that

[vestal delta]

given that mence is a fighting resist, should I swap intimidate for moxie (to not just die to gapdos?)

facade over... dual wingbeat?

re: volcanion over lucario; that would leave me with no priority moves. Any good way to fix that if I make that change?

[whole tulip]

Probably

Facade would be over dual wingbeat

[whole tulip]

I think you have enough speed control tbh, so priority isn't too much of an issue

[vestal delta]

...I'm loath to drop my only remaining priority for if someone manages a costly setup. But Body Press and Tera Ground + Earth Power / Tera Poison + Sludge Wave (?) (probably tera ground) would give me some decent answers to my other issues

[whole tulip]

I would prob stick to one coverage move and go with taunt

Tera ground is fine yeah

[vestal delta]

actually went with fire spin + taunt + body press to kill blissey and goodra-h

saw that combo afterwards

[whole tulip]

Thats fine yeah

[livid fog]

Any idea as to what to replace geezing with?

I honestly js replaced it w slowbro

[whole tulip]

Hm

Slowbro is fine yeah

Could also go with talon

[viral lily]

This peaked no. 2 on ladder during one of the RULT cycles. Looking to update it so it's better suited for the new tier shift

I want it to be good in a tournament setting but I don't really know what that entails lol

https://pokepast.es/b1a77d386e62d71a

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[whole tulip]

Only thing I can think of is taunt over one of bp or ep on volc, and maybe making wo-chien rest-talk

[viral lily]

Thank you

[wheat sentinel]

Honestly wanted to do RU cause I wanted to lean into using more Pokemon that I like, and have a team set up with it based around Quagsire and Rain Dance. It felt like I was missing something, and removed the sixth pokemon cause I think it might've been there. I am also new to competitive play.
https://pokepast.es/c697074ae4a986a5

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[whole tulip]

Okay, so this team is kinda all over the place. Quagsire primarily fits on bulkier playstyles, while rain is more offensive. They simply put, cannot work together. You prob need to decide which one to choose with, then we can go from there.

[wheat sentinel]

In that case, who would you reccomend for the rain portion?

[whole tulip]

Okay

So

Lemme show you a sample rain

One sec

https://pokepast.es/8ca112e6a87d3504
This is a pretty standard rain team

The general core is politoed+1-3 swift swimmers, an electric type to abuse thunder (usually kilo), a steel type and then any more rain abusers or support mons

[whole tulip]

This team for example, kinda follows that formula, but its mostly using subpar pokemon

For example, a-raichu is just unviable

While drednaw typically works better as a smasher on non rain teams

Noivern is probably okay, but you should swap defog and flame for boomburst and switcheroo

[wheat sentinel]

So kind of a good idea, but bad execution?

[whole tulip]

Yeah

[wheat sentinel]

Ok well I at least honestly feel a bit better about that lol

[whole tulip]

Well, are there any specific rain abusers you want to use?

Rain as a whole isn't amazing, but it can work at moments

[wheat sentinel]

Honestly not particularly, I'm just coming from a couple of generations so I'm still finding out about the new Pokemon as I go haha.

[whole tulip]

Okay

So lets build around barraskewda

Thats probably the best rain abuser in the tier

So, we start out with our rain core, politoed and barraskewda

Which would look like this

We then would do a secondary pokemon to enable it

The two best options are overqwil and basculegion female

Which one would you want to choose?

[wheat sentinel]

I'll go with basculegion

[whole tulip]

Alright

So after that, we prob need a electric type now

Kilowattrel is a good option

And then after that, we can add jirachi, which gives us a steel and stealth rocks

[wheat sentinel]

Got it

[whole tulip]

Which this is our rain team

Now, I'll let you add whatever you want last

Since we have covered the most important parts

[wheat sentinel]

Thank you, I appreciate the help!

[whole tulip]

Np

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RU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Simple questions, simple answers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Tiering information
• Discord
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[whole tulip]

The sample teams thread and viability rankings are good resources to go over

Sample teams are proven teams that work well, though they are a little barren after shifts

Viability rankings generally show whats good in a tier

But yeah, the general idea when building

Is starting with an idea

then building a supporting core

and filling out essential roles

[wheat sentinel]

Yeah, that's what I tried to do, unfortunately I just didn't quite have a good idea of who put in for the different roles haha

[whole tulip]

Thats fine

But yea

If you need any help, I'm probably around

[wheat sentinel]

I appreciate it!

[rough cape]

Hello

Can someone help with my chesnaught set?

[viral shard]

Not the place to ask

[whole tulip]

Yeah, this isn't really the place to ask for that

[coarse bolt]

https://pokepast.es/aebe435a303aa5cd

@whole tulip

hii

[whole tulip]

If you are using tera blast entei, I would prob run tera grass for slowbro

Otherwise yeah this is a fine sun team

[coarse bolt]

oh facts

[twilit wave]

https://pokepast.es/e3dc0c20ebbbb117

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[twilit wave]

here we go

[whole tulip]

Swap out gapdos for a special attacker, and then its good

If you make it armarouge, it is just a sample team though 💀

[twilit wave]

RU Teams are mostly samples if u go HO

and sad Serpirior is banned

[whole tulip]

But any of raikou, pz, gengar works here

[twilit wave]

scarf PZ or gengar sound good

[whole tulip]

I probably wouldn't use a scarf mon on HO

Only one that can get away with it is garde

Cause of healing wish+trace

but if you make it agility pz or np gengar, then that could def work

[twilit wave]

ok

i mean i was thinking like scarf zapdos and +1 gyra gets outspe by scarf gengar

[vestal delta]

Got a bulky team (except for one), aiming for getting a chance to send in a setup: https://pokepast.es/d371b977073447d0

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[whole tulip]

Alright, so I get the idea behind double hazard removal, but IDT its really worth it on this team

Just one of talonflame or maus would work

Additionally, I think you need some sort of speed control

Just a scarf mon ngl

Gapdos works over one of the removal options, whatever you choose

I think chesnaught works fine, but you could do iron defense over spikes

Since you will be removing your own a lot probably

Also turns it into another sweeper

[vestal delta]

Thanks. I'll look closer when I get home (a while from now)

Part of me was thinking of Raikou, Scarf over Specs, since it can beat +1 Maus without full investment in speed

[vestal delta]

should I change tera so I can just plain slaughter my biggest enemy, the stored power reuni?

[whole tulip]

You could change its tera if you wanted to

[vestal delta]

tried the 224+ speed Raikou and it paid for itself vs Gyarados, doing what Gapdos would have taken heavy recoil and a tera to do.

though I do love the idea of a 3rd knock off from gapdos

[vestal delta]

And my previous team just went on a losing spree. I guess that's it for that team.

This one went 3-2 (and one of those was me forgetting Jirachi is Banded instead of Scarfed): https://pokepast.es/925a43187adc6ac6

Loses to stall, not much I was able to do there.

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[vestal delta]

I promise I didn't intend for it to have all 3 of the legendary beasts. It just turned out that way.

... maybe I could have a Toxic user? swapping out Jirachi for something with Rocks and Toxic... I'm thinking Swampert or Gligar or some bastardized registeel?

oh, would armarouge be good there?

maybe in place of suicune for setup special?

[whole tulip]

This team imma be real, feels all over the place. Triple dog potentially can work, but IDT this team is it.

I think starting out with scarf raikou and entei is prob the best bet, and then we can work from there.

Or we can do scarf raikou and suicune

[vestal delta]

I mostly picked Raikou for outspeeding anything short of a rain team

[whole tulip]

So raikou is the main focus of the team?

[vestal delta]

Bisharp/Maushold was intended as my focus. Raikou was just my primary revenge killer / speed control

well, double physical setup anyway

[whole tulip]

Hm

So bisharp+maushold

Alright, lemme just think for a second

[vestal delta]

I like having Maushold, though the second setup is very negotiable

[whole tulip]

This is def going to be offense or HO

[vestal delta]

... I also realized I REALLY lack answers to Rocky Helmet

[whole tulip]

Okay, so I think we can go offense

You could do like

Rocky helmet pert or smthing

Lemme create a mock up

[vestal delta]

no leftovers on pert?

[whole tulip]

Well

on offense

i think you can afford it

This is prob a good starting core

[vestal delta]

noivern for defog?

[whole tulip]

Well

noivern is more

a flying type+volc switch in

I went with flame+u-turn here

[vestal delta]

swampert: max defense/hp or go for high attack?

[whole tulip]

Max defense max hp

https://pokepast.es/572b8ce12e60957f Last two are customisable, but this is somethin solid probably

[vestal delta]

guessed the defense/hp, but wanted to be sure

[whole tulip]

Thats fine

But I could see anything from scarf gapdos+volcanion last

to like, scarf garde+hilligant

[vestal delta]

hilligant... that's what I need to screw over stall

lens + hustle or ??? + chlorophyll to beat sun?

(and have better accuracy)

[whole tulip]

Lens+hustle

[vestal delta]

does the list of mons to use the ice type move suggested consist in its entirety of: Noivern, Gapdos?

(wait, I missed Ribombee)

... actually I see I missed a couple others, like Mimikyu

[whole tulip]

Just flying types in general yeah

Also chesnaught iirc, nevermind, cc does more

[vestal delta]

sludge wave and not sludge bomb on gengar?

[whole tulip]

So you can hit chesnaught

[vestal delta]

OH RIGHT bulletproof

[whole tulip]

Ye

[vestal delta]

hm, thinking of volcanion last except my only speed control is sucker punch + bulky swampert can survive it

[whole tulip]

Well, you have multiple fast pokemon

so it theoretically should work out

an option is scarf hilligant though

you do have to gamble a lot

but it can work

[vestal delta]

still hustle on hilligant?

[whole tulip]

Yes

On non sun teams, you always want hustle

[vestal delta]

... or scarf gallade with both leaf blade and shadow sneak?

[whole tulip]

Cause that gives hilligant most of its power

Hm

Scarf gallade might be alright

I would prob not use shadow sneak though

[vestal delta]

night slash then?

[whole tulip]

thats basically cb exclusive

Yeah

Night slash, knock off or trick last

[vestal delta]

won't outspeed gapdos, but hey

swampert can punish that one

[whole tulip]

Yeah

[vestal delta]

doubt they'll expect a Trick from GALLADE of all mons

(Gardevoir is telegraphed)

https://pokepast.es/60dfe8dfd681f0d9

new version

wait, bisharp had an extraneous 4 sp.def fixing

ugh I hate scarfed smeargle with glare. SO INFURIATING

[whole tulip]

Yeah, this sorta team prob works well

Also I've faced scarf smeargle 💀

That team is really cheesy

[vestal delta]

mr universe?

oh nice volcanion just utterly screws over sableye

[whole tulip]

Yeah

that person

Also yeah, volcanion screws over stall

[vestal delta]

taunt + body press LOL

I have a new favorite

step aside Scarf Gardevoir

part of me wants a tera electric just to mess with him, specifically

or an electric at all

A pity I don't see a spot for it

wait, scarf gallade can outspeed it

a simple leaf blade and it's gone

er, wait, defenses

[vestal delta]

I really should get to writing down his EXACT comp to counter-cheese him

[vestal delta]

So, I have a concern about having basically no healing here

only noivern roost

[whole tulip]

That should be fine ngl, as long as you play at a fast enough pace

[vestal delta]

though I fully admit, Rocky Helmet on Swampert has saved me more thoroughly a few times than Leftovers ever has.

[whole tulip]

Yeah, on more bulky offense, I think leftovers is better on pert

[vestal delta]

it's great vs gapdos lol

take a hit, then knock off

and suddenly gapdos is severely limited in hp. Between rocks x2 and helmet x2, it's basically at half

hm, for future teams... would ditching stealth rock and flip turn in favor of resttalk be a useful set, or keep that to muk-a

[whole tulip]

I wouldn't really use rest-talk pert

Just kinda not really good

A-muk is kinda forced to use rest talk, but it makes it work cause its so good that its worth the passivity

[vestal delta]

I've found myself facing lots of rocky helmets lately. And a couple others that punish multi-hit moves. Any good replacement for Maushold?

or better, some replacements I could make to the team to better support maus sweeps?

[whole tulip]

The only replacement comparable to maushold is cinccino, but it has a lot lower damage output

[whole tulip]

Hm

Idk what you could replace on this squad, you could potentially replace gallade with something else. Though knock over trick on it could also work

[vestal delta]

well, I was mainly thinking any physical sweeper

[vestal delta]

I have found Trick backfiring on me as often as it wins for me

[whole tulip]

The main issue is that maushold is your hazard removal, so that would require a big restructuring of the team

[vestal delta]

swapping gallade to knock off

[whole tulip]

Yeah

Knock is a good option

[vestal delta]

hm

Bramblegast has good attack and rapid spin

Tentacruel feels too defensive for this setup

Bramble would solve my slight vulnerability to Fighting moves without needing a Tera

[whole tulip]

You could go tsareena

That's an option

[vestal delta]

knock off and ice coverage both look nice

I could use another way to mess with grass types because Noivern's damage output is more finisher than breaker

oh wait Lum Berry + Acrobatics = Screw over so many enemies

actually, should I go offensive or defensive on tsareena?

[whole tulip]

Offensive

I would use a set of power whip, rapid, knock and then coverage (such as t-axel, hjk or U-turn)

[vestal delta]

with power whip and hjk, should I run wide lens instead of boots or lum?

[vestal delta]

newer version, with some of the new issues noted: https://pokepast.es/8a4aac54fba97cfe

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[whole tulip]

Tsareena is awkward to fit on teams

since it can lose to some pokemon such as bisharp and vern if it doesn't have the right coverage

When you say "anti paralysis", I'm guessing you mean para responses

Pert should do well enough in that department tbh

I can get the idea behind mag, but vern+volc I think does well on the special side

Maus can be annoying when you face a rocky helm user yeah

I would try it with gallade having knock now

Air slash isn't really good on vern

It just doesn't do enough damage

[vestal delta]

with STAB, isn't it stronger than flamethrower, or is this for hitting tera steel?

[whole tulip]

Against neutral targets, it is stronger, but flamethrower hits the various steels types that otherwise wall vern

[vestal delta]

ah; my policy witih vern was to just u-turn out to something that can kill steel types. ...Tsareena is gone now, but Swampert Earthquake, Gallade Sacred Sword, or Volcanion at all

but, uh... with this team (with Maus in place of Tsareena), thoughts on how I could handle that annoying Imprison + Transform Mew?

[whole tulip]

Switching is really good against imprison mew, so thats usually very good. Scout it with pert tbh, since you can pivot out against it. Hitting it hard is also a very good strategy tbh, means that it can't do its shenanigans (in this case this would be maushold)

[vestal delta]

one of them came in on me earlier today and tera fairy in the face of a +2 bisharp. I'll have to remember to iron head if it tries that again

[vestal delta]

found myself switching volc to tera dark to say "screw you" to Slowbro

oh wait, they

have started to run body press... um...

[whole tulip]

Yeah, body press is more common now

though you still beat non bp variants

[vestal delta]

I think I'll keep Ghost for punishing Gapdos and the fighting types (and moves) that feel like they're becoming more common

"feel like" anyway

[whole tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[vestal delta]

oh, question about the team: should I keep using the bisharp spread, or should I change those speed EVs to either attack or one of my defenses?

I was recently saved by Bisharp barely tanking a hit (that it was barely guaranteed to survive) and was wondering if a little extra tankiness would justify sacrificing some speed

[whole tulip]

Honestly, depends ngl

bisharp evs are very flexible

140 speed can get the jump on the 210s

[vestal delta]

I'm at 220 right now

would drop to 176 if I ditched my... 176 EVs

well, 177 to keep it at 4 to beat politoed

hm, big one would seem to be 210 to beat crawdaunt

everything other than those two I haven't seen much (except Klefki a time or two, but that's another matter)

[whole tulip]

Yeah, I wouldn't really go below 140 speed

Fast bisharp can surprise some walls though

[vestal delta]

https://pokepast.es/4d0dd9b65eac2e44

I'm aware this team lacks hazard removal. Cresselia feels the most out-of-place, but is also my win condition. Blissey feels like she's a perfect fit, but also doesn't do much for some reason.

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[vestal delta]

thinking of noivern or talonflame for defog (+burn for talon)

[vestal delta]

or ditching shadow ball on blissey for t-wave

[whole tulip]

Alright, so you do need removal on this team

Most stalls do

Since while there can be stalls that go removeless, they are awkward

since they have to do stuff like muk+gastro for absorbers

I would do talon over sableye ngl

Just max speed defog tera ghost

I think you should also go heal bell over s-ball on blissey here

with tera dark

Heal bell is amazing for stall

Since you can be more aggressive against stuff like umbreon

And since you don't have sleep talk on amuk

That makes it even better

tera dark cause armarouge is a bitch

I would also consider boots on quag, but helm is fine

[vestal delta]

talon with BB/Wisp/Roost/Defog, right?

I considered boots on quag, but decided gapdos is just that annoying.

and is cress something that should be removed?

(I'd gladly swap Protect to Sleep Talk on A-Muk)

[whole tulip]

Yeah

[whole tulip]

I think thats fine ngl, semistall still works

[whole tulip]

Also tect is still good on amuk

Completely neuters the strategy of using fsight bro+breaker

[vestal delta]

ah, counters that guy. He's annoying

[whole tulip]

Yeah, sleep talk is still good, but i prefer tect

But the general stall structure

is quag, blissey, a-muk, hazard removal

then two filler

typically ches is used since it compresses so much

but you can experiment a bit

[snow pecan]

https://pokepast.es/39fcfc3a35d62c8e
🙏

im honestly not sure how good gengar is but i did need role compression

[whole tulip]

Gengar is fine ngl. My main issue I see is that your gyara mu is really bad

Since your main option seems to be trick gengar

Also while I have been testing out boots bike, I would stick to AV

thats the better option usually

Hm

I think if you do jirachi over mag, then you could make krook scarf, which then gengar could maybe swap to slowbro?

Lemme actually look at this

Hm

Yeah, idk about talon here

https://pokepast.es/4a30b929262fd6a0

Maybe this?

Tried to keep talon

Actually

make krook moxie

[snow pecan]

ok yeah the team looks better now

would fsight slowbro work out here

[whole tulip]

Could do yeah

Just wanted a boosting mon here

You could also do

taunt over u-turn on talon

Which thinking about it, is prob better

since you can break defensive cores

[snow pecan]

alright that can work then

my gapdos mu looks better now right

[whole tulip]

yeah

slowbro should handle it well enough

[lethal basalt]

@whole tulip if you don't mind me asking about niches in ru
Is Swampert outclassed as a stealth rocker by empoleon, or are there other reasons why swampert dropped in nu?

[whole tulip]

Swampert mainly competes with gastro and quag

who are much better defensive pokemon

pert isn't bad persay

its just more specific

mainly fits best on offense structures

[lethal basalt]

competing with quag
That's interesting

i remember back since 2003 swampert was the superior water ground type

[whole tulip]

Well, recovery+unaware+toxic+spikes is really good

[lethal basalt]

Is it because gastro and quagsire have toxic and yawn?

[whole tulip]

well

yawn is illegal

but its recovery+spikes

[lethal basalt]

oh wait yeah
no sleep i forgot

[whole tulip]

is the main thing

[lethal basalt]

they got spikes?

where do they come out from

[whole tulip]

gen 9

[lethal basalt]

no i mean

I mean like where does it come out of their body

that aside
I do understand

Thanks @whole tulip for your help

[whole tulip]

oh, idk

and your welcome

[viral lily]

https://pokepast.es/6c38a109cc9372f2

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[viral lily]

found this team in my builder and it feels like i had an idea here so i made some changes. that being said, not sure if its tournament quality

[whole tulip]

ngl, whenever I've used banded gallade, I think its better to pair it with a lot of pivots on a more balance team, since it really, really appreciates defensive mons/pivots

you have the pivots part

but idk about the defensive mons part

i also don't think you can greed boots bike here

if you have something like regi+umbreon, i think you could

but here, i think av is better

I think if you want to build around cb gallade

you would need to rework the team

but if you dropped gallade and replaced it with something else

like a physical wall of sorts

then it might work

[whole tulip]

https://pokepast.es/e2ac45cd19bbf7c8 this team is pretty old, but I would say this is a good example of a cb gallade team

though ofc i would prob make mence a vern atp

[viral lily]

Ic. What do you think of making bike av and then replacing mamo with phys def umbreon? Would that be enough to solve the defensive woes of this team? I’m a little hesitant to replace rachi cause useful pivot + para seems like great support for gallade

[whole tulip]

Eh, my main issue would be no ground though

I think rachi is fine

if you have maybe like, hippo or gastro here

that could work

hm

yeah, i think if you make bike av

and then do like hippo or gastro

that could work

oh

maybe you do like

krook

https://pokepast.es/47a8ab98c60b4c3f

i could see

this maybe

[viral lily]

This looks great yeah, I’ve been messing around with bulk up krook and it was fun so I’ll defo try this and see how it goes. Thank you so much!

[whole tulip]

np

bu krook just gives you an option to boost

you could make krook

rocky helmet

[viral lily]

That would help against HO w/ maus. Cause rn no ghost means that mu is rachi and inshallah

[whole tulip]

yeah

[vestal delta]

In testing, this two-sun-setter team did sort of okay, so I can tell there's definite room for improvement in it: https://pokepast.es/0c7ed4f74814fe6c

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[whole tulip]

Uh, okay, so double setter is just not good, sun just needs the slots way too much. Ninetales also typically wants healing wish, thats its biggest thing. IDG iron head on entei, would much rather run crunch, tera blast grass or double edge. Imprison mew is a cool set, but just not reliable.
I think this team needs a serious overhaul

[vestal delta]

IDR why I put Iron Head on Entei; I think it was for how I was seeing more rock types?

So, drop Ninetales or Torkoal?

Would Torkoal/Ninetales + Mew -> Venusaur + Maushold be better?

[whole tulip]

I would drop torkoal, ninetales is generally better due to healing wish+encore, though torkoal role compresses with spin+rocks and body press to beat bike

I would say tales+mew+chloro user+maushold is best yeah

[whole tulip]

Most rock types don't like taking sacred fire

only really diancie would fear iron head

[vestal delta]

tales/mew/h-lili/maus/entei/gapdos is the new team. Should Mew be changed to a more utility, less-gimmicky set?

thinking modifying the spikes set to use rocks instead

[whole tulip]

You could do that yeah

With rocky helmet+bp

Rocks, bp, psychic noise/knock, pivot move

[vestal delta]

New version just went 3-2. Really had to fight against a rain team with 2 dancers (one of them resistant to most things I had) and one of the losses was due to bad luck

so, thanks

[shrewd storm]

https://pokepast.es/892db9da341a5ffb

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[shrewd storm]

i like the team, but i feel i need better pivot

and once breloom goes down i struggle with flying types (its a skill issue) just want to know if theres anything i should change

[whole tulip]

Hm, honestly, team isn't half bad, main issue I see is fairy types though, something like garde rips this apart. I would prob make bisharp a real steel and then make krookodile something else

[shrewd storm]

as in tera?

[whole tulip]

Okay, so what I mean by that is make bisharp a steel type that resists fairy

Magnezone, empoleon, registeel, klefki etc

Though I would lean something like mag moreso then something like registeel

[shrewd storm]

yea bisharp isnt cutting it i have considered magnezone ive also been looking at rachi + crawdaunt to replace bisharp and krook

[whole tulip]

Those could work yeah

[shrewd storm]

ill try it out thanks

[whole tulip]

Np

[shrewd storm]

https://pokepast.es/b58b284563ad99eb

this team has had some success but theres alot of times i find myself struggling to bring craw in, also i lose every venasaur matchup

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[shrewd storm]

been considering swapping him out for gengar but i think he doesnt fit a bo team

[whole tulip]

Gengar I think would work here yeah

Gives the team some speed

Also helps with hilligant

I think here you want scarf Gengar though

[vestal delta]

I made an updated version of this: https://pokepast.es/5fdefca4899095b3

The big thing is, I've basically never had cause to tera H-Lilli. Should I maybe replace Tera Blast with Poison Jab for fairies, a backup Grass move for if the sun goes down, Growth for if it comes in early, or Acrobatics (in event of a Knock Off)

Also, I just noticed that the autocomplete gave me Lonely instead of Adamant, probably because of Tera Blast. Definitely fixing that.

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[vestal delta]

or, or Facade. Using that in my minor tweak from posted

[whole tulip]

If you aren't using tera blast, I would add SD or victory dance, one of the two

Poison jab there isn't really much use for

since diancie is weak to grass

And garde outspeeds you/doesn't like taking leaf blade either

[vestal delta]

taking Victory Dance for the +speed in case of garde then. Or to beat Gapdos without--- oh right, adamant not jolly

[broken ore]

https://pokepast.es/d0af9ee81382e50e

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[broken ore]

please help me improve this ru rain 🙏

[whole tulip]

Overqwil, kilo and herscu are fine on here tbh

My main issues are with politoed, feraligatr and kingdra

Politoeds set doesn't make much sense, I would just run the standard perish trap set, that gives politoed the most pressure it can have

However, if you want a more offensive set, something like encore, weather ball, ice beam, earth power/focus blast might work

Kingdra is just kinda bad on rain, only thing it has is switching into volc steam eruption, but a lot of volcs are tera fairy so it doesn't work well

I would replace kingdra with a barraskewda

Feraligatr IDT is bad, but simply put it can't really fit on this team

Something like jirachi with rocks, u-turn, iron head, filler (healing wish, thunder, body slam etc) would be better there

[safe geode]

https://pokepast.es/a70a1e8e270a7203

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[safe geode]

debating on making gapdos a eject pack acro set idk tho

used to have gweeze in its place but it got put in ou

also debating if krook over mamo is the move

maybe uturn over knock on gap too idk tho

[whole tulip]

Honestly, I think this team is pretty fine

@safe geode Only thing I would do is make mamo another tera type, fire is nice but nmi means it already kinda beats talon, something like water or ground would work better

Krook over mamo is fine tbh

If you do, I would use a rocky helmet set

With taunt or counter last

[shrewd storm]

https://pokepast.es/07fd1687682500b7

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[whole tulip]

Main issue I see here is that volc rips apart this team

I wouldn't use t-wave on Umbreon unless you do double status with moonlight

I think if you did herscu over Gengar and maybe something else over craw (cyclizar is an option), then I think it would be good

[grim ember]

https://pokepast.es/a4a2bd236af3085a first ever RU team with Stellar Hilligant in Sun

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[grim ember]

Pretend the gastrodons tera fire

[whole tulip]

Okay, so theres a few issues with the team that I'll go over

You are using ninetales as your setter, but the rest of the team kinda wants to go slower

Secondly, this team loses to armarouge, like hard

Even with tera dragon/fire gastro, it will do way too much

Finally, leavanny is just straight up not good while mowtom is better on other teams

[whole tulip]

If you want to go slower

then use torkoal

But, if you want to use ninetales, then the team will need to be rebuilt

[tough river]

https://pokepast.es/475484f64e3edb19

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[tough river]

Basically first ever team made that isn't 1v1

Would like to keep deodef and regidraco if possible

[whole tulip]

Okay, so there are quite a few issues with this team. Firstly, deo-d, forre and regidrago are niche at best

Secondly, the maushold and entei sets are just bad

Maushold typically prefers using utility moves like encore or attacking moves like bullet seed or bite

Meanwhile entei doesn't really want to run non boots sets unless its choice band

And resto chesto doesn't work

I don't really see a way to improve this team without massively overhauling it

!samples

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[whole tulip]

I would look at the samples here at least

because they generally give a good idea of what teams look like

Coming from 1v1, this tier is a lot different

I would also look at the VR

[tough river]

darn

[shrewd storm]

https://pokepast.es/fad2357f3b677d01

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[shrewd storm]

trying to make craw work

[shrewd storm]

rebump https://pokepast.es/fad2357f3b677d01

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[white hull]

https://pokepast.es/04508917969de657 Can someone evaluate my team?

[whole tulip]

Sometimes it takes a while for raters to get to stuff, at worst it will take a couple of days.

[whole tulip]

Alright, getting to this. Galv is bad, don't use it. Ribombee is a lot better. You can use craw here, but an SD set would work a lot better for it. IDT that cyclizar or talon really fits here, and IDT you need rachi+mag here

[whole tulip]

This team isn't really bad, but I could see mamo being a very big issue. You could maybe do swampert over quagsire and then magnet rise klefki over jirachi. Though as is this is fine.

[shrewd storm]

https://pokepast.es/b91f5b09598da1d9
what about this

[whole tulip]

Okay, so the first four are fine, but noivern+slowbro just don't fit here

Typically on webs, you wanna go a HO route

There have been some attempts at doing a more balanced webs approach, but they mostly have fallen flat

I would honestly just pick two sweepers that benefit from the webs speed drop

[shrewd storm]

maus+mimikyu?

or instead of mimikyu armarouge for the special side

[vestal delta]

Decided to try Webs instead of Rocks: https://pokepast.es/8949dddb361af345

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[whole tulip]

Mmq+armarouge I think works yeah

Maus you don't want since that just removes your own webs

[whole tulip]

Okay, so cyclizar IDT really fits here, since this is more of a HO team

I also think you need SD over agility on gallade

Go moxie over intim on krook, helps your bisharp mu and makes it break easier

You could also go tera blast grass over crunch on entei

[vestal delta]

Who over cyclizar then, since I've learned from a few losses that I need hazard control?

made the changes except swapping out Cyclizar. Swapped Gallade to Jolly as well, since he's not speed boosting anymore

Maushold for Tidy Up?

going for maushold with bullet seed over bite so that I can beat those otherwise really annoying slowbro

[whole tulip]

Well, typically on HO, you play fast enough to not need it

I would also not do maus

removing your own webs is very bad

The only thing would be tsareena

but like, tsareena is not great

You could maybe do a taunt mpn

mon

something like gengar or ori sensu could work

though I would lean on gengar

[vestal delta]

For some reason, my mind jumped to Volcanion, but I'll look into ori sensu

oh, we got the water bug again and lost gapdos; thoughts on me switchin to the bug?

[whole tulip]

Probably not

araq isn't really great with volcanion+gastro in the tier

though if the former gets banned, then maybe

[vestal delta]

giga drain for gastro if volc is banned?

oh wow SpAtk is horrible. Why did it go to OU in the first place?

[whole tulip]

Water bubble go brrr

giga drain might be alright, but as of rn, probably not

[vestal delta]

was looking briefly at Power Trick or a pure physical build

going on Liquidation / Poison Jab / Crunch / Leech Life (or X-Scissor for a less tanky build)

[whole tulip]

Well, that doesn't have webs

which non CB araq prob wants to fit

and even CB I would say should use it

[vestal delta]

crunch to drop, then

since bug still does heavy damage vs psychic/ghost types

[whole tulip]

Yeah, not much reason for crunch

[vestal delta]

better than my ribombee?

[whole tulip]

No, I would say its not

again, bee is just generally more effective rn

if volc+gyara leaves, maybe

Okay, nevermind

araq is better

[vestal delta]

gonna take some calibrating to make sure I can survive some attacks though

[white hull]

Can someone help me create a good RU gen9 team with a starter?

[white hull]

https://pokepast.es/4597b4b45c9d7e8a

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[white hull]

https://pokepast.es/94b36904e15e5acf

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[whole tulip]

Uh, this isn't really for natdex RU rates, for that, natdex non OU rates channel is better

idk how to link it, but you should be able to find it in he rate my team thread

[viral shard]

#1060037469472555028

Like heatranator said, try here

[whole tulip]

Yeah

[vestal delta]

Okay, this team has problems and I can see some spots that are... well, spotty.
https://pokepast.es/b3537a7444135694

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[whole tulip]

Hm, so ori is struggling

I could see gengar working

If you aren't using tera grass on entei, then tera normal espeed is prob fine

You could even go adamant+double edge

Since gapods is gone

gallade could be tera ghost

[vestal delta]

I mean, when ori gets a Taunt off it's great

but it's just not fast enough, and that hefty one-type-attack

Gengar, as in Trick Scarf/Specs Gengar?

or Colbur Gengar?

to slay Slowbro, I'm looking at Crunch over Tera Blast / Doubel Edge on Entei

oh, why ghost on gallade? Curious about why would I need the fighting immunity, and why not Dark for the STAB?

[whole tulip]

if you wanna use mono attack ori, run air slash

also ghost is for spinblocking

[vestal delta]

ah suddenly mono attack ori makes a lot more sense

went with nasty plot / shadow ball / sludge wave / encore gengar with tera ghost and colbur berry

and modest over timid b/c speed control

or would the Hex set be better?

[vestal delta]

wait, Hex isn't as offensive nvm

Switching to the Scarf set with Specs instead

[whole tulip]

Yeah

NP is prob better

[modern sedge]

I kinda just threw random stuff, last time I played was when galarian Weezing was still RU (I miss it)
https://pokepast.es/90e310edb7797538

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[modern sedge]

@whole tulip

[whole tulip]

this looks like its trying to be an offensive spikestack team, but I think it does fail in a few areas

firstly, deo-d is bad

its really only able to fit on very slow teams

Another spiker could work there

Or you fit spikes on gastro and use a spdef stealth rocker

secondly, run flip turn over tera blast on herscu

get the idea, but specs surf already pressures umbreon well enough

and you lose stab on your main attacks

[vestal delta]

quick question: given that we're in a suspect test, are RU rates still a thing until then?

[vestal delta]

Well, this had a few revisions and mixed success: https://pokepast.es/a10824af3bfd352c

[whole tulip]

ofc lol

Uh, your terrakiion doesn't have evs or a nature

But idk about your approach. I think replacing mamo with a generally good physical wall is better here

sine you can then make empo offensive

If you want phazing, cyclizar can be d-tail

Honestly, idt you need araq here

Like, swap it out for a generally bulky physical mon

[vestal delta]

I think I swapped in Entei and then forgot to add jolly / phsyical attacker stuff when I swapped terrakion back in.

At least, I never got the team rejected thing

... how did Cyclizar stay as serious? I must have been too tired and distracted to notice

[vestal delta]

how about I go for Swampert over Araquanid and then make empoleon aggro?

and also swap mamo, or keep it since I swapped araquanid?

hm, magnezone for volt switch and some electric coverage + Body Press?

oh, or Rhyperior or Golurk. Forgot about them

[whole tulip]

That sounds good

[whole tulip]

either mamo or something else works

[vestal delta]

oh, right. What's your take on if I need a way to bypass +defense moves?

(Should Terrakion go to Tera Fighting with Sacred Sword, would Scarf Gallade be useful?)

[whole tulip]

Hm

Okay, looking at it now

your team is very fighting weak

so something like ID regi would beat it very easily

[vestal delta]

I have swampert for water, now. I could go Garde over Empoleon, and Gallade over Mamo

[whole tulip]

Hm, maybe

[vestal delta]

Or I could remember that Golurk is immune to fighting and gives me the really-useful Dynamic Punch

[whole tulip]

Hm, I could see golurk working alright

[vestal delta]

golurk with colbur or band (swapping terrakion to non-banded?)

going colbur for now

[whole tulip]

colbur works yeah

[modern sedge]

I really want a thunder wave user but idk who can fit

[whole tulip]

Klefki would work thn

[modern sedge]

oki

[vestal delta]

So I posted this team a while ago, but I've learned to have some concerns about a few things it doesn't do as well as I'd like: https://pokepast.es/fcbe0da2a955f976

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[vestal delta]

concerns are listed in the bottom, but: Gastrodon (and Swampert to a lesser extent if I see it), Hippowdon, Pressure Stall, and full Stall all have me concerned, but all of them are pulling their weight so I'm not sure what to change (other than that I'd really rather have a different tera on Gallade and that Gallade might want Shadow Sneak), or that Lum Berry on Araquanid might be better served by something else.

maybe a Custap Berry on Araquanid for a surprise counterattack just once?

[whole tulip]

Okay, so I guess I didn't see it before, but IDT you need lum berry on araquanid, its already immune to burn, something such as mental herb, sash, or custap is better

lemme show you a standardish webs team

https://pokepast.es/dc4a9fe5fb18d13b

here, i have my lead (araq is fine as a lead), ghost type, primary abuser (I would go leaf blade on gallade ngl, really helps with stall), anti HO option (bisharp), secondary abuser (armarouge), and final abuser (terrakion)

I think honestly, you might need to replace krook

IDT its bad, but it looks a bit out of place here

A grass type atttacker prob works here

Hilli and breloom are options

Though torterra also works

Cause then you can make gallade tera steel, basically ensuring with leaf blade you have a mostly good stall MU

[vestal delta]

leaf blade over knock?

hm to torterra. It's one of my favorites for flavor reasons. Shell Smash + White Herb or something with Loaded Dice?

would torterra be good for the anti-HO option?

wait, I just realized that Entei's ESpeed is my anti-HO

(and Arma's Endure; should I go Fairy to fight Dragons or Ground to tank T-Wave and Discharge + survive in sandstorm?)

[whole tulip]

Yes