second off, I don't think impidimp is super good
#LC Rates
fiery edge
yea
sweet ingot
but again it's a thing where like
positioning it is hard
you can get brick break'd
a more consistent strategy and one that gets a lot of play in tournament
is memento on evio diglett > shellder
if you're going to use screens you need a LOT of abusers, in case one doesn't work out
which is why you only really see it on gimmicky HO
fiery edge
got it
sweet ingot
as for what to replace impidimp with... hmm
surreal acorn
something that doesn't lose to dig
sweet ingot
maybe a wattrel so you can pivot around easier, wingull for speed control and help in certain mu's
or a crabrawler
all three come to mind as decent options
oh DC has a great point actually
you might want something to come in against diglett
after it traps and kills something
surreal acorn
gull is bad w/ double waters already
fiery edge
true
sweet ingot
yea
sweet ingot
it gets rock blasted which is potentially scary
fiery edge
oh nvm
sweet ingot
it's shaky as best because it can subsitute on cane
wattrel wouldn't be the worst choice
but you probs do want a mon that can come in against tera flying LO diglett
maybe a zorua-hisui?
you dont have a ghost rn
could be nice
tender perch
H zoro would be nice for you
Helps Shellder set with willo and Can spinblock in a pinch which is nice
tender perch
is memento on evio diglett > shellder
I do agree with this tho
Honestly it might be better to go sucker on dig over rocks and then have pawn be the rocker losing Sd
fiery edge
I GOT MY FIRST WIN
fiery edge
Honestly it might be better to go sucker on dig over rocks and then have pawn be...
okay, that sounds very fun
ill fix it
and hzorua
sweet ingot
don't listen to bella
tender perch
I GOT MY FIRST WIN
Grats
sweet ingot
keep rocks on evio dig
tender perch
Drifting shut up
sweet ingot
and sd on pawn
tender perch
I think rocks pawn is fine
tender perch
I’m not sabotaging I’m just trying to give my 2 cents on this team
surreal acorn
sucker is meh, tera blast could be an option
memento is prolly good too if u dont run memento on zorua
tender perch
Yeah true Tera blast is a good pick
tender perch
What are you running as a fourth on houra
fiery edge
Zorua-Hisui @ Eviolite
Ability: Illusion
Level: 5
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 36 Def / 236 SpA / 36 SpD / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hex
- Tera Blast
- U-turn
just standard support
surreal acorn
that is not standard btw
tender perch
I feel like you want knock there badly
fiery edge
I feel like you want knock there badly
really
i have knock off on toedscool so thats why i skipped it
tender perch
It’s never bad to run knock off on multiple mons
fiery edge
knock off over tera blast?
tender perch
Or hex
fiery edge
but hex can hurty hurt the burned foes 👉 👈
fiery edge
well i can test a few games and see if i need knock or tera blast more then
fiery edge
diglett
sweet ingot
yea ok good
fiery edge
thanks a lot yall!
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there are 2 teams here
both of which are not mine
could anyone tell me which would perform better?
my eyes are on team 2
sweet ingot
ya
i'm not the most familiar with sm lc admittedly so my knowledge could be a little off but team 1 is legal
here are some sample teams
if you want some stuff that'll definitely be good
sweet ingot
ya
ocean copper
@sweet ingot hey
sweet ingot
team 1 doesn't look awful
afaik
like all the individual mons are good
but tentacool is rly bad
if you want a poison water with spikes use mareanie
or if you want a spinner water type use staryu
ocean copper
ah
@sweet ingot https://pokepast.es/b6a488b1aba7d7a9 here's another one i found
sadly i dont know how this deals with carv
sweet ingot
oh haha
i brought this in my game
this is a hyper offense made by @limber widget
it's good
ocean copper
how does it uhh deal with carv
seems a little weak to it
and i think most people got carvs
ocean copper
this is a hyper offense made by <@415339956777517059>
woah, thats cool
sweet ingot
carv isn't like
that good or common
it's just ok
it does seem a little weak to carv though
mienfoo lives from full
and kills it back
sweet ingot
well you live
so you'd come in
and u-turn
to either kill it or punish the switch
sweet ingot
u survive
limber widget
Yeah Carvanha isn't very common in SM
civic lichen
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young grail
that team doesn't seem very good, unfortunately.
a lot of that team is very slow, there is no toxic spikes absorber, and a lot of the EVs don't make a lot of sense
which pokemon do you want to use above all others?
limber widget
Well half the team looks fine
I'm just a little puzzled by the Impidimp
Some spreads need fixing too yeah
limber widget
https://pokepast.es/d2bf2d6c7d8440e3
So if you could explain what you were going for with the Impidimp, maybe we could help you make it work
sweet ingot
Some of the individual mon choices are fine
But i’d recommend using the sample smogon sets
Which are tried and true generally
I also don’t think impidimp is very good though, a foongus in that slot is better I think
civic lichen
So if you could explain what you were going for with the Impidimp, maybe we coul...
I was going for the lagging tail trick impidimp like I saw in gen 8 with grimmsnarl but I could replace it with foongus
civic lichen
that team doesn't seem very good, unfortunately.
a lot of that team is very slo...
None really you can change the team however you seem fit
frail hedge
https://pokepast.es/42f8014f483e398f
Does anyone have advice for this team?
The ladder was discontinued, as far as I know, so I can’t really test it
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sweet ingot
the ladder was not discontinued?
loud moon
^dumb asf
loud moon
oras.
sweet ingot
mb
i'm not the most knowledgeable on oras but idk if you need 2 scarfers
i feel like if you replaced cranidos with a fletchling, snubbull, snivy, abra, gastly
something like that
it'd probs be better
surreal acorn
this team just loses to any shell smasher
sonic sentinel
more important you get absolutely manhandled by chinchou
scarf crani is pretty bad you lose very hard to a lot of dangerous stuff with it
sonic sentinel
a pory would help yes
I have a similar larv/scarf mag/vulla team
the other 3 on mine are ferroseed timburr and sub archen
but I think a voltturn team without the best U-turn mon is really difficult to do
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/diglett-voltturn-by-cydrolic.3585624/ this gives a good summary of the archetype and is probably the most consistent example
floral pollen
you still lose to smashers, scarf porygon doesn't really add anything here
you really need a more defensive ones
frail hedge
https://pokepast.es/ec9af657e0f507aa
How about that then?
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frail hedge
Also weak armour is meant to be overcoat
floral pollen
You want a weak armor set, probably with Brave Bird over roost
You have a heavy pivot team without a spinner and vull as your only real hazard control
Which means you need a lot of tempo and to be flat out better than your opponent to use larvesta to it's fullest potential
Like gali said though, a voltturn team without the best user is really limited in that aspect though
frail hedge
Ok
wild willow
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alright is this any good I can't tell and are there any worthwhile edits that could be made to it?
limber widget
https://pokepast.es/68a85e0da60686f2
This looks really solid tbh
I think you got a pretty good balance team going on there
wild willow
I will be fully honest something just feels off
limber widget
I would probably use some less Tera Ghosts
limber widget
I will be fully honest something just feels off
Have you tried the team out?
Or is it a feeling from the builder
wild willow
I have, probably for around 6-8 games now
and I can't explain it but it doesn't feel right in some way during play
It gets seemingly beat by Shroodle, Glimmet, and Shell Smash sweep teams a good amount
and I haven't been able to pinpoint the issue
wild willow
Not overly if I'm honest
Any First Impression strats get blocked a lot
and it only usually gets one or two of those off
limber widget
Hmm right
wild willow
to be fair the jankness of the lower end of the ladder doesn't help much but still
limber widget
Hmm well one modification I could suggest is to make the Toedscool 17 Speed
It allows it to naturally outspeed Glimmet
I think Shroodle is pretty good in this meta, would make sense that you find yourself not doing too well against it
sweet ingot
you want eq over tpunch on the crab
wild willow
It always Parting Shots itself out of a counter and into a Shell Smasher and the game is basically toast
wild willow
you want eq over tpunch on the crab
TPunch is the only real reliable way to counter Shellder aside from Mareanie since it can live one attack from Shellder
limber widget
It always Parting Shots itself out of a counter and into a Shell Smasher and the...
If you want to counter that strat, you can try using Tera Dark on Diglett
wild willow
Ooh that could be helpful actually
limber widget
Also boosts Sucker Punch power if that can be useful
sweet ingot
yea
tera dark on dig is good
for trapping shroodle
if ur not tera blast
it's the best tera
imo
limber widget
I think this team might be too slow for this meta idk, I'm not too used to build teams this bulky
How has Mareanie been performing in your games
wild willow
I thought the same at first as it is a mishmash of sets but its been surprisingly good with a lot of bulk on the team
and Mareanie has been great
sweet ingot
without mareanie numel 6-0s this
limber widget
without mareanie numel 6-0s this
Well
Think about like the first 1 or 2 Pokemon that you can put instead of Mareanie
And you'll notice that they also check Numel
sweet ingot
like who
limber widget
Like Zorua-H or Wingull
sweet ingot
shellos loses to numel
wild willow
And those too
wild willow
Maybe does switching out Nymble for something work? I'd prefer something that can take on waters as that seems to be the only other slight weakness (buizel and swift swim teams cough cough)
limber widget
Maybe does switching out Nymble for something work? I'd prefer something that ca...
Yeah I think Nymble is mostly good on paper
If you switch Mareanie for Wingull, I think it can relieve some of the clunkiness in your team, so that Nymble's services aren't as required
Wattrel is a good check to rain
With Tera Water
wild willow
So then maybe switch both or just one?
wild willow
Ooooh yeah
limber widget
I don't think your team looks that bad against setup spam tbh, you have Crabrawler, Pawniard, and Toedscool which can go to a good tera
Oh you don't have Stealth Rock on your team either
wild willow
Yeah that's another piece missing though I haven't found it as needed (though it could be nice)
limber widget
Hmm I'm looking at an option rn
wild willow
Oh?
wild willow
Okay
limber widget
And either Shroodle > Nymble
Or Zorua-H > Nymble and Glimmet > Pawniard
The first option probably sounds more solid
wild willow
Tbf both do
limber widget
My only concern with #2 is that you kinda remove a lot of your priority at once
limber widget
For Wattrel and Zorua, the normal sets should do fine
Shroodle is up to preference after Knock Off + U-Turn
Parting Shot is probably always good, Encore helps with some setup sweepers (like Numel), Copycat gives you some occasional priority
Glimmet, well, it's Glimmet lol
wild willow
Glimmet can just do anything lol
limber widget
Well it's more like it has like, basically 5 or 6 moves to choose from
So it basically always does the same thing
wild willow
Yeah
Alrighty then, thank you for the help! I'll give both teams a try and see how they feel!
wild willow
I will for sure
@limber widget one more thing, pivot or nasty plot for the Zorua-H set?
limber widget
<@415339956777517059> one more thing, pivot or nasty plot for the Zorua-H set?
Probably pivot
wild willow
okay, ty!
trim aspen
unsure if larvitar or aron still viable on lc but ive tried to build a team with it https://pokepast.es/917cf32a5958a1e6 dunno what i should change here (dpp lc) btw
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aron is technically fine larv probably doesn’t really do anything tho
slowpoke is probably a wasted slot and i don’t think sash gligar lead is your best use of a gligar
gets so much value out of oran
trim aspen
ooh
i thought on using slowpoke bc i dont wanted to get killed by stuff like machop or priority moves
but alr ill see what to change
humble helm
Slowpoke is really not that good
Larv isn't very good but isn't unusable
Kinda looks like you want a ghost over it and slowpoke to be a better water type
fiery edge
https://pokepast.es/5d2f3ed24154614b for gen 7 lc
limber widget
https://pokepast.es/5d2f3ed24154614b for gen 7 lc
The team looks quite solid and cool imo
I think the main thing that could be improved are the EV spreads
fiery edge
mhm
limber widget
You can take a look at the Smogon analyses for these
fiery edge
btw where cn i practice these
limber widget
btw where cn i practice these
Umm there is no ladder for this, but there are roomtours in the LC room on Showdown every so often (alternating between the different generations)
Also, you can join the LC Discord and ask in the oldgens channel for games of SM LC
People do that a lot, and often get a response
fiery edge
there is a server for lc?
limber widget
Yeah, I can invite you if you want
fiery edge
yes pls
fiery edge
rate
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surreal acorn
double bug with floon as your removal option seems really bad
fiery edge
oh wait i sent the wrong team again
sweet ingot
you probably want tera blast
fiery edge
bull hawnkey
sweet ingot
over sucker on this diglett
if ur not using tera blast then run tera dark so shroodle can't parting shot out of you
and to boost sucker
fiery edge
can yall rate this one instead
https://pokepast.es/e04a8bdcf943d381
fiery edge
i got it off from a randomizer 
sweet ingot
this team's biggest problem i can see is like
a lack of a clear wincon
i think
if you replace mankey with crabrawler
it should help a lot
the mankey speed control isn't really as needed when you have nymble and dig
fiery edge
like 6/10
sweet ingot
oh
well if you put tera blast over sucker on diglett
and put crab over mankey
probably like a 6-7/10 i guess?
should be a decent enough team
if 5/10 is average
fiery edge
thats what exactly i thought of when i said " rate the team in numbers "
humble helm
mankey is pretty bad
youre pretty weak into ghosts but mostly just zorua-h. drifloon is probably not a problem
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christmas vull 😄
sonic sentinel
birds gonna fuck u up a bit
sweet ingot
does this have abra problems
i don't play much sm but it looks like it
maybe pawn over ferro
could alleviate the bird/abra issue
sonic sentinel
u just trap it
pawn is a shittier bird check than ferro tbh
if it's mixed vull just 2hkos
limber widget
This is literally Toadow's sample team btw
sweet ingot
hm
sonic sentinel
toad is the sm goat
humble helm
if you see scarf foo as the only fight you know the team solves everything offensively and has a steel due to gastbra
you need ferro for z staryu anyway
wild willow
Rate it time! Specifically for post-Diglett meta.
https://pokepast.es/ee8242ff4a0a60d2
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Ngl @wild willow
This team is fundamentally a bit dodgy
Like a lot of the sets are just
Too off meta
Apart from cacnea the mon choices are fine
But you need a poison type
Need hazard removal
And def need to fix these sets
I’d recommend using body press stockpile numel and pairing it with a scarf gothita over cacnea
If you want to use numel
And then you can change your drifloon to a more standard oran set and perhaps change sandile to a toedscool
You would still need a poison type though
Probably glimmet as you have no stealth rock
So i’d put that over voltorb (which should be tera ice anyway)
Actually
No you don’t need a toed with defog drifloon
Put the glimmet over sandile
wild willow
I will say, Cacnea is pretty good because at the very least unless it gets statused I'm almost guaranteed a trade, usually more
Drifloon with Scarf throws a lot off with people expecting it to be oran so I get fast Defog which is the only hazard removal I have plus it effectively stops T-Spikes as well since it isn't affected by them since it flies
Body Press Stockpile Numel I haven't actually thought about and that does seem pretty good on paper so it could blend well with this team
(Not having Tera Ice Tera Blast Voltorb is also a sin looking at it now)
wild willow
But I do see where you're coming from on that
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strange berry
that is a drifloon set of all time
young grail
i dont think its really bird spam when one of the birds doesn't have stab flying type moves
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You have a lot of specific techs to beat Foongus
To the point where it's overkill
Timburr or Spritz should change their fourth move to benefit you best
limber widget
But at the same time, they might need it, because once something can't hit Foongus, he has no switch-in
I'm more worried about the matchup against special attackers like Abra and Gastly
Also bcz of the so many Foongus techs, Mareanie looks like a rough mu too
humble helm
if you have a pokemon with light clay you tend to need to commit more pokemon to set up
and if you are running smash omanyte im not really sure about weak armor
you also made an SM team without vullaby which is hard to vouch for
limber widget
you also made an SM team without vullaby which is hard to vouch for
That's not the worst thing in the world
I think you could use an Eviolite Diglett
Say over Abra
Would help against Mareanie, and trap Abra and Gastly
Could also fit Stealth Rock on it if you want to
Also lets you not lose to Electric types
Then your team gets a little weaker to Fighting types
I think if you replace Omanyte with Nasty Plot Vullaby, it could be better
tiny flame
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sweet ingot
You need stealth rock, put it on pawn
tiny flame
alr
sweet ingot
Also, impdimp is kinda ass
And u need a poison type
For tspikes absorption
So you could actually maybe keep the sd on pawn and have rocks glimmet
Or just use a shroodle to enable shellder sweeps
tiny flame
alr
sweet ingot
Choice is urs neither is a bad choice really
Apart from that there’s no major issues i can see off a glance
tiny flame
sweet ingot
I meant replace the impidimp
tiny flame
Didnt wanna replace imp cuz he's my screens
sweet ingot
Not the magnemite
Impidimp is kinda ass imo but i guess if that’s the idea this works
Though fix the glimmet set
There’s no reason to deviate from the sample set really
Glimmet’s a bit of a one trick pony
tiny flame
Thx
tiny flame
There’s no reason to deviate from the sample set really
Oh
I chose the second sample set not the first
My bad
young grail
I don't think the current team is very good
without a ground type or a scarfer, you're food for wingull, wattrel and voltorb
sullen osprey
a ground isnt necesary if you have wattrel imo
young grail
i think it needs another support option when the rest of the team is very slow
wattrel can deal with voltorb, but i think the issue is that its the only thing that can take on wingull, wattrel AND voltorb
so it just needs something else to ease the amount of damage they can do
sullen osprey
my take on this is glimmet -> shroodle (you can run parting shot to help shellder setup anyways), pawn -> rocks (make it night slash over iron head asw),imp -> like scarf gothita
young grail
yeah
cause shroodle can also help deal with wattrel cause of the speed
and scarf gothita (tera ground as well probably) helps as well
and being able to trap checks to shellder is nice
humble helm
whys it screens with shellder and pawn as the boosters
you probably just go double smashers if you are forcing screens
team seems very unconvincing into pawn as structured
awkward 6 in general
willow oxide
yeah the screens with only 1 mon to abuse them seems weird, i agree with original drifting take in dropping imp for shroodle
humble helm
They seemed to want to keep imp specifically so advice should try to move the team in that direction generally
tiny flame
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loud moon
can probably drop parting shot for gunk
tiny flame
alr
loud moon
is modest goth for anything in particular
limber widget
You could also try Encore on Shroodle, and make Quaxly Brave Bird instead of Encore
tiny flame
ok
limber widget
Actually no, maybe it's better on Quaxly
I'm worried about Swords Dance Pawniard
With this team
loud moon
yeah encore quax only barely helps with that because going quax on the switch means you lose a mon
hm
fresh pike
I'm working on a sticky web sun team: https://pokepast.es/040603a0fcba55a7
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I would like help with editing it as I am relatively new to teambuilding
I have replays as well
sweet ingot
scarf charmander is a better sun abuser than cyndaquil
because of solar power
sun in general isnt great
but if ur gonna do it thats how
fresh pike
I know scarf is better but I prefer tera fire eruption just because it functions better when I can't get sun up
limber widget
You can keep Tera Fire Eruption Cyndaquil, but making the Cyndaquil Scarf would probably also make it better
young grail
I think the main issue is that the team has a lack of defensive backbone
There’s no good switch in to growl-h or orb-h, not to mention you desperately need webs up to do much without being completely run over.
And you’ll have a hard time keeping webs up when you have only 1 ghost type to block spin
Tera-ing skit can work, but typically that’s an additional option as opposed to a main strategy
fresh pike
What would you recommend I swap out
I also have mag to help with keeping spin and defog off the field because tera ice ohkos both spinners and thunderbolt ohkos the defoggers
young grail
I would recommend choosing between webs or sun. Having both at the same time makes each part worse because you’re hedging your bets with both.
They’re strategies you really need to invest into to make it work properly
sullen osprey
yea this team has too much going on, but if u wanna try to keep it all together id suggest a few things
i think the magnemite has to go as theres not really a ton of benefit in it here and it also suffers from things like growlithe hisu being really good. in its place i would reccomend alolan diglett as it gives you a ground type for electric moves and a head smash resist, rocks, and a semi consistent out for flame charge growlithe, you could also maybe put sunny day on it as a 4th move if you want a setter besides shroodle, up to you.
i would change the surskit set to either sash or scarf if you do wanna secure sticky webs go up, evio doesnt really help you a ton in current meta because scarf growlithe will kill you through it
and for a last change i would suggest that you change your bramblin spread to this, as your current bramblin takes too much from toedscool knock to reliably spinblock it
Bramblin @ Eviolite
Ability: Wind Rider
Level: 5
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 36 HP / 76 Atk / 196 Def / 196 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Power Whip
- Shadow Sneak
- Rapid Spin
- Strength Sap
gl and i hope you have fun playing!
fresh pike
Would you recommend webs or sun for this team if I were to lose one?
I’m also considering switching growlithe for slowpoke as a defensive presence
And what item should I use for Diglett
sullen osprey
eviolite or sash both work
if i had to reccomend you keep either sun or webs i would reccomend webs
fresh pike
Thank you
Would you recommend Slowpoke over Growlithe?
And if I were to switch to just webs what should I swap out Shroodle for?
And should I keep sunny day on Diglett anyway just as a utility move if I remove Shroodle
Sorry for all of the questions lol
humble helm
You do not want slowpoke on webs
You do want Growlithe H
SD shroodle is fairly popular ATM but you could just make it smthng like stunky or Voltorb H
I don't know how often you will click sunny day
fresh pike
What set would you recommend for Stunky?
sullen osprey
on webs if you have stunky it should be nasty plot
little cypress
https://pokepast.es/1b48434cfb5b5d4d
slightly tuned version of a rather old team, struggling a bit into opposing floon. Glimmet isn't doing as mush as I'd hoped
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sonic sentinel
move most of those spatk evs into defense and run tera ghost
on glimm
larvesta is p booty in this meta
little cypress
I'm sorry to hear that
little cypress
serves the pivot role
floral pollen
its a good pivot
still soft checks a lot of things
and makes your floon matchup more palatable
little cypress
https://pokepast.es/5c7cb654d9c0173f
more like this then?
little cypress
great, thanks
floral pollen
give it a spin and see how it goes
little cypress
scarf bray feels pretty good, admittedly I haven't played a ton yet
sturdy gate
Guys i think i need a team revamp for LC any suggestion
I first need to put my team in poke paste
still need to learn that
can i just type it all out?
young grail
Use pokepaste, it’s much preferred
sonic sentinel
click the "upload to pokepaste" button
hallow marten
https://pokepast.es/638da065c5366480
Hi LC people
This is my first attempt at building sv lc
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This is my first attempt at bu...
Hi eve not an lc rater but i feel like this stuggles a bit too much into watt / electrics
Also this is just a me take
But go tera dark > ghost on mare imo
hallow marten
To be immune to Psychic?
tender perch
Yeah
Completely ruins scarf goths plans
And since ur haze cm goth doesnt enjoy the mu much
Especially if they already terad
hallow marten
What do suggest I do to patch up the watt/electric mu?
tender perch
Well a quick fix is tera electric crab
Imo its alot better now
Espeically post k-dig
hallow marten
Ok so I got this now
https://pokepast.es/e9bd7af6ed9d1627
young grail
i dont like that due to its general lack of speed and how it loses to swords dance shroodle
Also your only grass resists being wattrel and pawniard in a metagame with both grookey and voltorb-h is hard to deal with
I'm not a big fan of zorua-h in this current metagame due to its lack of speed and while it does have good immunities, it just sort of
doesn't have a good role in the metagame
Also not a big fan of toedscool due to its typing not pairing well vs current metagame
its a ground thats neutral to grasses and weak to bug so it gets u turned on all day and its unfortunate
I personally recommend drifloon as a hazard control option due to defog guaranteeing removal vs webs, but toed is not unplayable
sonic sentinel
floon>horua, htorb>watt, foong>toed imo
sweet ingot
I agree with what gali says
Floon>horua is important for sure
I’m not quite as sure about replacing wattrel
I think he’s good
Imo a better replacement for toed might be shroodle
Since you have an elec immune in watt
And hazard removal in floon
Plus shroodle is basically the best mon in the meta rn
Another option is a gothita maybe
The only concern with what gali says is that you don’t have a fire resist though
Which makes me think glimmet over pawn would be nice, helps beat floon and shroodle too
Rn the team you’re rocking kinda looks like a webs team but you forgot to include the webs lol
Oh actually you don’t have a water resist either
Maybe replace the toedscool with a quaxly and keep pawn?
not having a shroodle is a bit sad but not the end of the world
strange berry
Oh actually you don’t have a water resist either
Mareanie?
hallow marten
https://pokepast.es/be478534f468bfdb
Is this okay?
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hallow marten
Ty
young grail
It’s okay, just kind of slow I think
little cypress
https://pokepast.es/20810721d60b8486
I tried to build voltturn
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little cypress
forgot about it, tbh
sullen osprey
i think this is too slow
i would put hisu voltorb over wattrel to give you something fast and a truly elite volt turn abuser
to compensate for no electric immune then i would make pawniard alolan diglett and it can still set rocks for you
then i would make quaxly drifloon as drifloon is way more consistent hazard removal
i believe those should solve the teams issues, perhaps another mon that can knock if you wanted to fit like toedscool in for removal would be nice but im not entirely sure if it fits well
young grail
magnemite isn't very good in current metagame because its relatively slow while facing stiff competition in voltorb-h and wattrel
steel stab typically doesn't make up for it either
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https://pokepast.es/c272c424a9a26437 webs team i hastily made
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sweet ingot
Yep
Thats webs
Sorry if that sounds a bit reductive but you kinda nailed it
The least meta thing here is scarf mudbray
Maybe u could consider a evio sandile in that slot?
Thats a mon i love on webs
Nasty plot stunky is another, maybe over pawn
But ur team is fine maybe apart from the choice of mudbray set
I’d probably go for a sandile angle over it
Rocks crunch eq stone edge
Moxie
floral pollen
has nymble problems
humble helm
With horb I think it should be protect and with crab it should be tera electric
molten jewel
https://pokepast.es/0c45147e0d248ce0 gen 9 lc
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strange berry
It’s been 29 days
young grail
What Pokémon are you trying to build around
Because I don’t like that team very much
floral pollen
Lots of things to fix there, but to start, choice specs doesn't really benefit you
Cyndaquil needs some kind of hazard clearing support to really make eruption work
Axew doesn't really get many chances to start setting up a dragon dance
Particularly if you're running FI
Your need more eviolite
Things like pawn are seriously limited without it
And electric types completely roll you without a way for you to stop them
frail hedge
https://pokepast.es/9da73f95b9daa72b does anyone have any advice for the gen 3 team I built?
frail hedge
https://pokepast.es/33ec045e3a23c682 changed the team a little
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willow oxide
https://pokepast.es/33ec045e3a23c682 changed the team a little
Oscar wouldn’t you be more likely to get help on adv lc in the adv cord than here
The pory set and evs look extremely wack, personally I like explosion more than light screen, and abra/elekid look like problematic mons for this team. I’d suggest asking the adv cord about advice with the paste as they’d be more knowledgeable on it (I sent you the link in dms) but those are my thoughts on it
frail hedge
Thx
tender perch
its been like
ages since ive built lc
so i would like to know how good this team is
sonic sentinel
evio Pawn isn't a set anymore, if you make mud rocks and Pawn Tera dark lo it looks pretty solid
I personally prefer tera ground on goths these days
oh also sleep talk>tox
tender perch
👍
sullen osprey
i think fighting goth is better these days ngl
with pawn being tera dark
i would do tbolt>tect on holtorb, tbolt can be super nice to pick off agrimer n stuff
sweet ingot
I think resttalk bray is bad
Just make it rocks bray and lo pawn
I prefer imprison on the grimer over sleep talk but both are fine
(Though if you use imprison give it some speed)
sullen osprey
thank god drifting is here 5 days late
normal needle
https://pokepast.es/78b98614e0962cac opinions?
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little cypress
A mudbray that's on the same team as a grookey wants to be high horsepower over earthquake
normal needle
why?
little cypress
grassy terrain halves the bp of eq
normal needle
right
little cypress
Also, generally, acrobatics grookey runs grassy seed
little cypress
acroseed grookey is to beat stuff like foongus
otherwise it just runs evio
more consistent item
Sorry I can't really speak to your actual team comp, just a few of the sets, but I do know that both rain and quaxly have fallen off quite a bit from where they were at the start of the gen
normal needle
hmm just asking would it be smart to swap mudbray for swift swim psyduck?
little cypress
buizel + psyduck are generally what rain uses for sweepers
at least, when it was more popular
sweet ingot
id put psyduck on the rain yea
no point using it otherwise
rain is the type of archetype u need to be
all in on
you can't use like, semi-rain
furthermore
lefties sucks in lc give the buizel an oran
but take oran off of everyone else and just use evio
it's a lot better, buizel just likes oran because of recoil from wave crash
i personally would replace the quaxly with psyduck
make it a standard voltorb set with evio
and then use a damp rock rain dance shroodle/riolu
instead of the current shroodle
normal needle
okay, ty
loud moon
it's a lot better, buizel just likes oran because of recoil from wave crash
band better anyway
normal needle
nah, bulk up
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normal needle
oh sorry for the ping
uhhh crap, swap the eviolite on the shroodle for a damp rock
young grail
I think if you’re running rain you need two setters
And I don’t think it’s particularly good in the current metagame
Nasty Plot is preferred on Psyduck over calm mind
And you want Tera blast over encore on psyduck
Sleep talk mudbray isn’t very good on rain, especially because you really need your rain turns
Rain is Hyper Offense, it’s not meant for a more bulky team
normal needle
why would I take Tera blast on psyduck
fallen obsidian
Psyduck is currently walled by any water type
I would also use nasty plot over Calm Mind since you want to do damage quickly, defenses dont matter too much on rain
I think the team doesnt have good synergy, I imagine grassy terrain will be more of a hindrance to your rain sweep due to the fact its healing your opponent. That will make it easier for them to stall out your rain
Same applies for the mudbray, it has good synergy with Grookey through healing, sure, but its a complete momentum sink for the rain side of your team
I would recommend having Rain setters that can easily pivot (Shroodle and Voltorb), a pokemon to set up hazards and some rain abusers. Rain works best when you invest fully into the strategy
sweet ingot
yea the traditional psyduck is electric tera
fallen obsidian
https://pokepast.es/b480134909ebdb54 Something like this.
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tender perch
Nooo jack what have you done
fallen obsidian
:( didnt think it through
normal needle
https://pokepast.es/b480134909ebdb54 Something like this.
i will try it, ty
normal needle
oh btw if I put teams in here that are just crap, it’s because I only used to play randbat and now want to get better and teambuilding, so this is basically trial and error for me
fallen obsidian
All good glad to help
normal needle
https://pokepast.es/b480134909ebdb54 Something like this.
this team is amazing! I won like 9/10 matches with it
that psyduck just sweeps
gentle lodge
does someone have a team with hisuian growlithe and no drifloon? i know this is not the correct chanel but still
normal needle
i think hisuian growlithe is banned
tender perch
Hisuian Growlithe is banned yeah
Even then this should go in #comp-general not here since this is for rates
sweet ingot
does someone have a team with hisuian growlithe and no drifloon? i know this is ...
wrong channel, but here is one of my favourites
hisuian growlithe is banned but this doesnt use drifloon
normal needle
https://pokepast.es/17086c84c7c19375
you forgot a 4th move on axew I think
I’ll „borrow“ your team tho
sweet ingot
its so you can switch in on spore
sonic sentinel
@normal needle run outrage/dragon claw/stomping tantrum/first impression
normal needle
<@699231007018057769> run outrage/dragon claw/stomping tantrum/first impression
ok ty
gentle lodge
hisuian growlithe is banned but this doesnt use drifloon
yeah i know, i still wanted one, thanks!
distant elbow
HEY GUYS IM NEW I JUST WANTED TO SAY HELLO
AND IM WONDERING ARE THERE ANY TOURNEYS
fallen obsidian
AND IM WONDERING ARE THERE ANY TOURNEYS
No you've missed them. There's two tourneys going on right now
nova oriole
the channel is free...
I wanted to play LC again because I found a Mienfoo ingame and I'm pretty sure I've accidentally started a small fire
p sure Turtwig isn't worth it but I don't really know the format
nova oriole
if I hard delete those two slots, what should I be adding
I'm not necessarily looking for stuff that fills the same roles, I just need better Pokemon
young grail
The current issue with koffing is that while it stuff mienfoo very hard
It’s other matchups are very bad
And because it’s scarf koffing you have some issues
Typically, the best way to punish a koffing coming into a mienfoo is with a knock off or u turn
So you either lose your scarf so need speed
Or have an unfavorable MU because they turned out
Both tinkatink and glimmet make koffing’s life quite hard and 9 times out of 10 foongus is probably better
On that team composition specifically it looks weak to vullaby, so having a glimmet or tinkatink of your own works out nicely
You could probably replace turtwig with shellder if you want a shell smash Pokémon
nova oriole
I don't really need it to be a Shell Smash mon
I just needed a hook to start building
it only needs to be a Pokemon that wins
(preferably with a decent Magnemite matchup, I was having trouble against that)
young grail
Replace turtwig with toedscool
You have foo and vull
Replace mudbray with tinkatink
Then you’ll want a scarfer faster than magnemite, I recommend glimmet but I think you can play around with it. Could use a magnemite of your own
And then keep foongus
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make the larv impish over bold, bold was a mistake on strategy dex iirc thats now fixed
what do you want the corphish slot to be specifically? because unless you are building around corphish i would generally advise against it
if you want another setup sweeper i think shellder would be good here because larv could burn possible setup targets
other than that, this honestly looks pretty good to me
patent shuttle
what do you want the corphish slot to be specifically? because unless you are bu...
i just wanted a setup just to have it but shellder ill go with
young grail
other than that, this honestly looks pretty good to me
Seconding this, you have a foo check, a Voltorb check, and a vull check + a solid game plan
normal needle
https://pokepast.es/73f9bac5550553e1 hot or utter bullcrap?
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young grail
specs are bad in LC
damage scaling doesn't really work
replace hone claws on foo with u turn, its much better.
also make the ability regenerator
vull should be jolly knock u turn brave bird
tailwind isn't very necessary on the bird
overcoat works on that structure because you have no other foongus switchins
what is diglett alola mementoing into besides foo or sandshrew? it doesn't feel like it really fits here
current problems with the team
- little counterplay to mienfoo because you have no fighting resist. Have to muscle through it with vullaby somehow.
-Vull counterplay is limited because you don't have a tinkatink or glimmet and you need to use voltorb-h to break it. Eviolite voltorb does this decently but its not very erudite because a single speed boost and it outspeeds your team.
-orb-h demolishes the team. the only hope at beating it is out offensing it with foo or dig-a
i think sand also has a lot of issues in the metagame due to orb-h's presence and hippoptas isn't very good
also for a sand team you don't have a good way of removing ground resists (such as toedscool or grookey) without using exactly vullaby
normal needle
current problems with the team
- little counterplay to mienfoo because you have...
what about switching hvoltorb for tinkatink
this way I have smth against both vullaby and mienfoo
young grail
it doesn't work perfectly but its a start
also have you used the import/export tab
on showdown
it gives you recommended sets for eachh mon
normal needle
what is diglett alola mementoing into besides foo or sandshrew? it doesn't feel ...
I could to terablast ice
this way I have smth against orb-h, have another vullaby counter and also have smth against toad
normal needle
ye, I know sand isn’t really great, but I thought I’ll still give it a go
young grail
if there is a way to do it, that'd be a start for sure
but i dont think tera blast ohkos vull
normal needle
on showdown
it gives you recommended sets for eachh mon
btw found it, helped me with tinkatink
young grail
Glimmet
normal needle
(this is the updated team btw https://pokepast.es/653099dca8203b1e)
young grail
Toxic debris sets t spikes automatically
Spin helps but it’s not great to rely on spin
Change tinkatink to glimmet
normal needle
but then I still got that Mienfoo issue
I think spin is the better solution
Even if it’s flawed
I mean another way would be to remove the scarf from diglett and give it spin so I don’t get bothered by the tspikes
ill think about it
sweet ingot
https://pokepast.es/73f9bac5550553e1 hot or utter bullcrap?
it's hard for me to critique this because it lacks a lot of the fundamental elements in the meta that actually make a team work
sand teams i think are bad but I have seen them win so i'm not going to completely write it off
but ur definitely gonna want to use a normal mienfoo, normal voltorb etc from the smogdex
at the very least
here is a more standard/effective sand team some guy posted in my sample team thread like a month ago
just at a glance you can see the moves/items/teras are a lot more standard and proven than what ur using
and the ev spreads especially are just more optimal
typically i would recommend against using ur own ev spreads until u get more experienced
even i usually just use the sample spreads for most people because they're the samples for a reason
normal needle
tysm, I will use that
distant elbow
who wanna battle
tender perch
Dont ask battles here in rates
Ask in the LC discord or in the LC room or just go on the ladder
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patent shuttle
ngl i just threw stuff together for this
felt lazy and felt like making another team
sullen osprey
looks viable u have 6 good pokemon
runic bison
https://pokepast.es/1b1f6ebc47aa910d
have u ran into any ssies with this?
young grail
looks viable u have 6 good pokemon
Seconding just be careful of orb-h
Make it Tera dragon vullaby and I think you’re solid?
sweet ingot
this looks fine
id probably koffing over mareanie
since koffing is kinda like mareanie but can escape goth
rn ur a bit susceptible to a sequence like
"oh shit its foo better go into my foo counter"
u turn
goth
psychic
and then what do you do next time foo comes in
young grail
Die assumedly
fallow shoal
@craggy sluice Hey Bro
craggy sluice
...
fallow shoal
@slender wing @ocean coral I need a team rated. Think you all could help ?
craggy sluice
ocean coral
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fallow shoal
GRRRRR
tender perch
neither Gawain or Tranq are LC raters
coral saddle
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honestly no problems with this, change tink to tera fairy tho imo
i also think tera blast ground could be a good idea on vull, as your team can really struggle to break tink
same if you wanted to do a fire move on skunk over play rough
sweet ingot
nah i think tera elec is fine
maybe consider fire blast on stunky if tink is a concern
not having anything to come in on volt switch is a bit scary but apart from that this seems fine
i would keep tink water for liquidation+spear shellder
sullen osprey
is shellder a threat for this, sucker skunk exists
sweet ingot
i guess shell cant set up on much
i still like to have a fat water on most of my teams though
you can never be too safe
sonic sentinel
is there a good fat water in this meta
sweet ingot
structures like this have their biggest weaknesses vs glimmet
since it can set up multiple hazards on you which you cant remove
and can come in on a lot of ur shit
since ur using tink
so if i was gonna suggest anything it'd probably be a toed over like, maybe goth
coral saddle
maybe consider fire blast on stunky if tink is a concern
what would my spread be if i go fb
also i lose to sun dont i?
young grail
Vulpix is banned, but sun does exist on the fringe
tender perch
Shroodle is fine
turbid forum
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runic bison
There’s isn’t really anything super wrong with this
floral pollen
Give memento to glim imo
turbid forum
Give memento to glim imo
over?
floral pollen
You have two setup sweepers and nothing to help them set up
Any of your actual attacks
All of them have drawbacks to being dropped
runic bison
U could prob make some minor tweaks for comfort but u could def get good results
Nah u would def drop power gem
floral pollen
I would keep mud shot and drop one of the stabs
turbid forum
got it thank u
floral pollen
There's no vull answer though
It's just setting up faster
Which is why I'm inclined to say keep power gem
Dropping it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world though
tender perch
https://pokepast.es/63eb190d04cf39d2
Going w what coco said put memnto on glim
Keep power gem
Prolly change foo tera to steel or dark
I say steel
Most of the other stuff is fine so im ok w this
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thank u three of u
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warm monolith
i know
tender perch
im not even going to bother trying to rate this since this is basically a complete reset
sullen osprey
i would reccomend looking at the vr and looking at each pokemons sample sets to get an idea of whats good and not to start off
also generally speaking each pokemon should have evio, lorb, or scarf
dark meadow
https://pokepast.es/42d7c1157598b92f been climbing with this and it's gotten me to 1300 so far, most of my losses come from bad play I think
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floral pollen
Well to start, you've got a buizel. He's not very good at all right now, and the only reason to even consider it would be rain
sweet ingot
ditch the specs on gastly and ditch the buizel altogether
floral pollen
If you don't want to drop the buizel, make the foo a slow set and make it a defensive pivot
So it can safely get buizel more turns to play
Also, drop the specs on Gastly and give it a life orb
Consider making the buizel Max speed so you don't tie with opposing Gastly, and it might be worth considering a Life Orb on Buizel as well
If you're okay with dropping the water weasel, try hisuan Growlithe
sweet ingot
id put scarfing duty on the gastly and let foo do its bulky pivot thing
personally
rather than LO gastly
but it's up to u both can work
dark meadow
foo took me a second there to be honest lmao
"foongus? it's already slow"
but nah it makes sense
i'll probably swap buizel out for growlithe
sweet ingot
i think u'd do well to put a snubbull over buizel
ur vull countering is a little shaky
growlithe isnt rly needed imo when u already have a rocks user and scarfer
dark meadow
I do kinda just need a physical wallbreaker
Doesn't matter a massive amount what goes there
tender perch
snubbul is just better tbh
your defensive backbone is a bit lacking rn
and as drifting said, your vull mu is really iffy rn
bright bluff
Is charcadet good?
example set
I gotta build a lc team to fight my friend with and I wanna win
bright bluff
I'm gonna guess that every team needs a mienfoo and vullaby to be viable?
tender perch
Is charcadet good?
example set
Hes not
tender perch
I'm gonna guess that every team needs a mienfoo and vullaby to be viable?
P much, yeah
bright bluff
It's kinda funny tho
tender perch
Funny doesnt mean good
young grail
Is charcadet good?
example set
his bst is awful unfortunately
best fire type is growlithe-h mainly because it has 150 power head smash without recoil
bright bluff
oh right
https://pokepast.es/f45fb3cc8962db16
I made a sample team earlier not a definitive one, I do not know the meta well
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tender perch
is non lo toto not weaker than corph?
floral pollen
Toto is better, even
tender perch
thats fair
tender perch
this seems kinda iff into Snubbull to me methhinks
bright bluff
i see
bright bluff
before i had a glimmit and snubbull but i didnt think they'd mesh the best?
floral pollen
Toto's best aspect is Ice Punch though
tender perch
yeah, i would drop a jet here i think
bright bluff
rock slide is silly
tender perch
its a fine fourth option
bright bluff
how come vullaby and mienfoo are important to most teams?
runic bison
well they mostyl act as pivot
tender perch
versatile pivots p much
runic bison
mienfoo is the best slow pivot with regen
and vull is the best fast pivot with weak armor
basically
they allow u to get ur clunky pokemon in withotu needing to sac somehting
tender perch
you pretty much cant go wrong w having both on them on your team
bright bluff
ah
i kinda just used smogon site or the pre built sets
when im making my proper team im gonna do stuff like tera fire snivy probably
runic bison
bright bluff
is that your attempt of building around totodile
floral pollen
I would strongly suggest not using that unless you know what you're doing
molten jewel
^
frail hedge
https://pokepast.es/c9b2212b4001230e
Im just getting back into lc, but idk much about the tier yet, so my team probably has lots of holes so does anyone have any advice?
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floral pollen
This is fine. There's nothing missing and there's only really suggestions I can think of if something isn't working.
I would say play with it a bit and see what isn't holding up, then ask for help then
frail hedge
Cool thx
limber widget
https://pokepast.es/c9b2212b4001230e
Im just getting back into lc, but idk much ...
Only problem I can see is that Mienfoo has 0 Atk IVs
And probably spread optimizations