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[chrome sphinx]

if you cant, Life Orb is a good idea on Chien-Pao

just note it WILL get sniped by CB Dragonite if you use LO

unless you use Tera Ghost

[glossy prawn]

Thank you for the review 🙂

I've made some changes as you advised !
Chien-pao was way more effective with a sash.
i changed chi-yu's item to a scarf as my main revenge killer going with psychic since toxapex can wall this team effectively
I changed dragonite to be more of a sweeper with DD and offsive evs
and gave fluttermane choice specs for that raw power wallbreaking

Here is the update team :
https://pokepast.es/013c5adc8cb7aa5b

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

something you can consider is a bulkier Chi-Yu, its mentioned in the Tera types / EVs thing thats in copyediting atm

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/chien-pao-chi-yu-ting-lu-and-wo-chien-tera-types-ev-spreads-gp-0-1.3719042/

* **228 HP / 12 Def / 124 SpA / 4 SpD / 140 Spe with Modest**: This is a bulky spread meant for Choice Scarf, outspeeding up to Iron Bundle and surviving Breloom's Mach Punch. This spread also survives Mimikyu's Play Rough and Shadow Sneak and has a good shot of surviving Tera Normal Choice Band Dragonite's Extreme Speed too.

heres the spread if you want to use it

wait whoops

wrong thread LOL

ok fixed it lol

[glossy prawn]

i would definitly use it, i ran against a breloom that nearly killed chi-yu if i didn't tera fire

it would survive even if it's x2 mach punch ?

[chrome sphinx]

yeah due to the bulk investment

252+ Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 228 HP / 12 Def Chi-Yu: 134-158 (84.2 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

if SR goes up it does get the kill without tera but, if theres no SR that can pull an upset

[glossy prawn]

Ok have to keep in mind the SR ! Thank you 🙂

[glossy prawn]

With regulation C, stall is just absurd.. x)

[dusty herald]

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[hybrid wing]

I made this team and want it to know what ya mates think about it? Any suggestions?

https://pokepast.es/7bef3e339e963209

[fiery thistle]

https://pokepast.es/1115dac2f9ef8198 Made this teams specifically targeting the ruinous pokemon, while trying to still do well against other threats. I just feel like it's not optimized. Any thoughts?

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

I'm not sure I understand that Gyarados, does Thunderbolt / Flamethrower actually get any interesting KOs?

I'd also seriously consider Drain Punch > Poison Jab on that Annihilape, or even like Bulldoze or Rock Tomb or even Light Ball Fling if you want

Tera Poison Annihilape is great but Rage Fist often hits Fairies hard enough

btw note if you play ingame: There is a wild Tera Poison Primeape in the game so don't waste your tera shards on that!

I'd also probably go Careful that Wo-Chien. This is gonna sound crazy, but Wo-Chien is actually in a fairly contested speed tier

like some Corviknight will speed creep and try to Taunt it for example

Sassy will get outsped by Corviknight which is a bummer, means you can't Leech Seed em

I actually go far enough that, even for mixed Wo-Chien (yes that exists because of Giga Drain + Knock Off lol), I legit would even consider using an Attack dropping nature for that cuz of Corviknight lol

(attack dropping mainly because Giga Drain is only used to mess with Iron Bundle lol)

[fiery thistle]

i knew using special moves were a bit of a stretch, but since I can use gyarados to counter fissure ting lu, may as well throw in an electric type move to fuck with dodonzo

[fiery thistle]

i called myself ensuring that threats like flutter mane def die
another team i had ran rock tomb. The speed drop has come in clutch now that i'm thinking about it. Drain punch is probably best with this sudden boom of dark types.

[chrome sphinx]

yeah, note I haven't gotten to Annihilape yet with the regulation C updates but, I can assure you the lead set will make Drain Punch more prominent because of that lol

[chrome sphinx]

as for this, I dont think that actually 2HKOs Dondozo. Dondozo is sooo much bulkier than you'd expect from that SpD stat. However, all isn't lost here: You can def mess with a lot of Dondozo with Taunt!

its why a lot of Gyarados run Rocky Helmet now, or well part of it beyond "they tend to be paralysis support ones now". When you Taunt Dondozo, a lot of them only have Wave Crash so they start getting chipped pretty badly by Rocky Helmet

so like you could try say, a bulky DD set with Taunt for Dondozo

[fiery thistle]

or they just commit to fissure

[frigid vector]

can anyone help me fix my rain team ? its really just a 50 50 rn not sure what i can change i want to keep floatzel and pawmot on the team but the others dont really matter for me and can be replaced by anything else that does a better job https://pokepast.es/ea48efda99534caf

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

I'd consider getting rid of Kilowatrel, Ting-Lu, Chien-Pao, and Iron Bundle among other things are gonna make that thing's life hard

[frigid vector]

what would i replace it with ?

[chrome sphinx]

lemme think for a moment, I honestly havent really thought about rain for a while lol

[frigid vector]

i really like how rain plays but im not that good at pokemon so i dont really know how to make a team xd

[chrome sphinx]

You could try Ting-Lu, that'd give you a nice electric immunity. Like maybe the AV set. It hasn't been QC checked but this can give you a decent idea

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ting-lu-qc-0-1.3719738/

Ting-Lu def likes Pawmot around too, thats the type of mon that can be really powerful to revive

just note though AV Ting-Lu really likes to Terastallize

[frigid vector]

uhm

what does AV mean ? xd

im also not sure how to beat wo chien

ah assult vest

[chrome sphinx]

oh yeah Wo-Chien sounds like an issue for rain

like I said I havent thought about rain for a while, probably since like series 1 lol

I would at least keep Sludge Bomb on Amoonguss, since that can mess with Fairy Wo-Chien

you could use Eject Pack, I think that actually fits a rain team better

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/amoonguss/battle-stadium-singles/

You'd probably use Leaf Storm over Clear Smog in this case. Clear Smog is cool its just, Sludge Bomb has become a lot more interesting because of Wo-Chien

it'd be a good way to get something like Iron Bundle or Ting-Lu in

the main puzzle Im trying to figure out is, how you deal with Poison Wo-Chien in a rain team. If that thing has a sub up than Floatzel is gonna struggle with it

[frigid vector]

iron bundle usually dies to floatzel anyway

yea ive been running into poision a lot

[chrome sphinx]

oh I meant your Iron Bundle lol

[frigid vector]

havent seen a fairy one yet

[chrome sphinx]

getting Iron Bundle in for free is always good

[frigid vector]

oh

[chrome sphinx]

Maybe you could use max SpA Modest on Pelipper. It wont tank stuff but it will break Wo-Chien substitues with Hurricane then

Also while I mentioned AV Ting-Lu, in light of your Wo-Chien issues, maybe Taunt would make more sense...

I think unless you drastically revamp the team you're just gonna have to play carefully around Wo-Chien though, Like imo the prioirty should be making sure it doesnt have a sub up

but like even then, Giga Drain Wo-Chien exists and your two rain abusers wont like that

[frigid vector]

i mean how would i revamp the team i dont really care too much for the pokemon in the team aslong as its a rain team xd

[chrome sphinx]

ok so dont take my word for this because again, rain is not very common atm and I havent thought about this for a while

but there is actually one rain abuse mon that could hypotehtically mess with Wo-Chien: Palafin. Of course Palafin isnt the easiest mon to use, and the Palafin I associate with messing with Wo-Chien sorta sounds like a not so great fit for rain teams

BU + Taunt Palafin can really mess up Wo-Chien basically

but its also a fairly slow set up sweeper which sorta sounds like the opposite of what I associate rain with lol

maybe you could get a bit weird and use an offensive Palafin that just happens to have Taunt

[frigid vector]

well i like rain cuz u like idk have fast power idk

[chrome sphinx]

something like Taunt / Jet Punch / Wave Crash / some coverage move

with Life Orb or Mystical Water. Like not exactly a standard Palafin but that might help vs Wo-Chien a bit

it'd certainyl do better against it than Floatzel at least

to be clear if you manage to actually get Floatzel into a Tera Wo-Chien without a Sub up it WILL get blasted, butI worry most Wo-Chien teams are gonna be pretty well prepare for that

especially Toxapex + Wo-Chien teams

Palafin is gonna require some manuevering so it can get that Hero forme, but when it gets it, you can at least Taunt Wo-Chien so it cant start its leech seed cycle

if you go that route, just be warned that Taunting Toxapex is not entirely safe. A lot of them have Mental Herb SPECFICALLY to mess with stuff like that

[frigid vector]

cant i just use taunt wihout hero form anyway ?

[chrome sphinx]

you can actually, it can be risky depending on the mon, but in Wo-Chien's case I have done that before myself lol

granted I did it with a bulky Palafin with Toxic Spikes support so, pretty different style of team there

hmm speaking of all of this though...

[frigid vector]

i guess i could kick kilowattrel then and go volt absorb on pawmot

[chrome sphinx]

another thing you could consider over Kilowatrel is Taunt + BU Annihilape

that tends to do well vs Wo-Chien as long as you don't go straight to Taunting Toxapex

well unless you have Tera Poison, Tera Poison Annihilape can get away with that

nice thing too is that you can find a wild Tera Poison Primeape so you don't have to worry about wasting tera shards if you have to boot it from the team

[frigid vector]

what item do i put on Annihilape ?

[chrome sphinx]

I'd consider Covert Cloak, Garganacl sounds a bit scary vs this team

you'd basically need to get Iron Bundle in the rain without getting Salt Cured

and thats assuming its not Tera Water Garganacl

[frigid vector]

https://pokepast.es/e64c3cdeae20b1c1 okes so how is this ?

or do i go vital spirit instead

cuz ive been struggeling a bit with getting slept sometimes too

[chrome sphinx]

I think vitial spirit could be a good call. To be clear Amoonguss does pretty well vs Breloom, but Tera Fire Breloom is pretty common, and Brute Bonnet while rare, is pretty scary

[frigid vector]

i could also go tera flying on pawmot to save it from EQ but idk how usefull that is

[chrome sphinx]

imo Pawmot should almost always be Tera Electric

when you tera Pawmot its to deal huge damage with Double Shock

[frigid vector]

yea thats true

[chrome sphinx]

I would def consider Tera Poison for ape btw

if you face a team Ape is good against

[frigid vector]

oh yea i forgot

[chrome sphinx]

Tera Poison ruins any Toxic Spike strategies / Mental Herb Toxapex stuff people might try to pull against you

[frigid vector]

tbh i havent really used amoonguss that much idk when its really good

https://pokepast.es/12db64feac472bf8 this seems atleast like it works better than what i had before

@chrome sphinx ty for help i think now i will have atleast less of a problem with some pokemon that beat me pretty hard before

[daring nebula]

https://pokepast.es/099e2301f35fe9e4

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

this might take a bit for me to help (about to go HAM on updating dex stuff now that I got that Tspikes Iron Moth nightmare out of the way lol), but are you interested in bulkier AV Moth spreads? That's probably the first mon I'm touching so, I can get back to you on that later tonight if you'd like

[daring nebula]

Sure why not

[daring nebula]

reminder in case u forgot

[chrome sphinx]

oh I didnt. This is my bad, a new Touhou game got announced last night, I didnt get to Iron Moth LOL

[daring nebula]

ah lol

[chrome sphinx]

Iron moth is next on my hit list after Garchomp tho so it'll be soon!

there is something that can help in the meantime though

so to be clear this would PROBABLY cause quite a team change if you actually used this set but, in the Bulky Tspikes Iron Moth set that just got its QC approval, I have a speed tiers section cuz Iron Moth has an insane amount of viable EV spreads

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bulky-toxic-spikes-iron-moth-gp-0-1.3719826/

you might want to give them a look

to be clear if you want you probably COULD use Tspikes Iron Moth cuz it fits well with Wo-Chien (who is REALLY nasty with Tspikes), but it would def force some changes cuz you probably still want AV somewhere

[daring nebula]

av could go on zone

[chrome sphinx]

my personal guess would be that Magnezone would get the boot if you went with Tspikes unless you give it AV

[daring nebula]

or flutter which is a set i wanna experiment with

[chrome sphinx]

if you use AV Zone I would def use a bulkier EV spread, the Magnezone analysis is acutally updated for Regulation C so you can look at the EVs for that

lol I actually am interested in AV Mane myself, havent seen it tho

but its Flutter Mane so I bet you can get away with it

just a small warning with Zone in general

Magnezone is still really good but

be prepared, Ting-Lu is a real pain for it

[daring nebula]

thats the main reason i paired it with av acid spray energy ball moth

takes a huge chunk off of all ting lus and puts them in range of 2 specs flash cannons

i was also considering

ruination wo chien

[chrome sphinx]

Ruination is good but just make sure it isnt your only attacking move

[daring nebula]

since amoon can be a pain to predict and switch into

could just replace sub or tect

[chrome sphinx]

I learned the hard way what happens when you do that, there's a reason the analysis mentions not to do that LOL

and yeah to be clear like, Specs Magnezone is still deadly

its just Magnezone is not as easy to just, stick in a team as it was last series cuz Ting-Lu is a very domiannt mon rn

so make sure you have a gameplan to get that into the KO range

also remember that AV Ting-Lu is common too, that thing takes special hits stupidly well lol

I usually go for replacing sub on Wo-Chien btw because Protect + recovery can let Wo-Chien get out of shocking KO ranges because of its crazy bulk

[daring nebula]

252 SpA Tera Grass Iron Moth Energy Ball vs. -2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 258-306 (50.1 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

if i can catch it off guard, its in zone range

[chrome sphinx]

thats pretty nice, you can proabbly catch quite a few people off guard with that cuz I can see a lot of folks assuming you're using Tspikes Moth

also even nicer cuz most AV Ting-Lu dont actually fully invest into HP

[daring nebula]

can even force ting lu to tera poison

[chrome sphinx]

they tend to run like max attack / max SpD. Tho that is technically an ieffcent EV spread, the better one onsite is 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 SpD Adamant 😛

[daring nebula]

which is even better since zone gets to volt on it

[chrome sphinx]

yeah if you have Ting-Lu tera'd Magnezone's life is so much easier lol

btw while you can stick with Espeed, I often tend to prefer EQ or Iron Head because of steels. EQ is usually the nice choice as LONG as you are almost always gonna tera Dragonite (which I assume so since you use tera flying)

on some Dragonites I get a bit iffy on using EQ as the sole coverage cuz Tera Fairy Rotom-W can actually really destroy you, its why I switched to Iron Head on Dtail Dragonite on one of my earlier teams for example lol

[daring nebula]

252 SpA Choice Specs Analytic Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 36 HP / 220 SpD Assault Vest Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 120-142 (26 - 30.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

if so then zone puts a fuck ton on ting lu

volt on switch after the moth interaction put it at like

30

[chrome sphinx]

in generla tho its Dragonite so like, take anything on a Dragonite analysis as an example because Dragonite in SV BSS is like, idk ADV TTar lol

you can generally string together any 4 good moves and it will work lol

[daring nebula]

252 SpA Choice Specs Analytic Magnezone Thunderbolt vs. 36 HP / 220 SpD Assault Vest Vessel of Ruin Tera Poison Ting-Lu: 135-160 (29.3 - 34.7%) -- 9% chance to 3HKO

if you forced it to tera

also if you forced tera you can even like

stay in with moth and keep using fiery dance

you win the 1v1

[chrome sphinx]

btw this might just be a me thing cuz I havent really used Curse Dondozo in a while (its good tho), but lately Ive been veering more towards Dondozo with some physdef investment cuz Chien-Pao can actually really hurt

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/dondozo/battle-stadium-singles/

like I dont have the phys bulk spreads on Curse, cuz Curse Dondooz has become rarer in general, but I am personally gonna try that out later because of Chien-Pao lol

[daring nebula]

ive found spdef dozo caught a lot of people off guard and caused me to win a lot

this includes derpy

[chrome sphinx]

ok then keep it!

to be clear SpD Dondozo is still great

theres a reason its the main curse spread lol

[daring nebula]

cuz flutter does like

[chrome sphinx]

how do you feel you do against Chien-Pao? Thats why I was thinking about it

[daring nebula]

36 to it and u wave crash it

[chrome sphinx]

Like, I think 4 attacks sash you're fine with cuz you can tera Wo-Chien and it gets owned as long as it doesnt flinch you a bunch

Im a tad more worried about the less common CB and LO ones because if they tera they can get really hard to wall

since you dont use bulky Flutter Mane, LO Chien-Pao can actually do scary stuff with Sucker Punch

[daring nebula]

i mostly just lead dozo and have espeed dnite in the back

esp for lo

[chrome sphinx]

oh I see thats why you have Espeed

on 2nd thought ignore what I said about Dragonite, if you dont change anything I think you actually need Espeed lol

[daring nebula]

after wave crash pao is either dead or really low

so i go into dnite if its low and espeed

[chrome sphinx]

theres the risk of Tera Electric Chien-Pao which is what I was worried about, but Dragonite can probably bail you out thankfully

because Tera Ghost Chien-Pao doesnt do too hot against Dondozo

[brazen bay]

TMon advising against espeed Dnite

this is a moment of all time

[chrome sphinx]

well derpy listen the coffee just hit, I didnt see the whole "its to save me from Chien Pao" aspect!

[brazen bay]

Tera ghost moment tbh

But ye espeed and Dnite are basically the same thing

[daring nebula]

tera elec doesnt fully break dozo either iirc

it takes

2 tera blasts

[chrome sphinx]

maybe CB Chien Pao could hurt Careful Dondozo a lot but lemme calc, like you def arent getting OHKOed and if you lead with Dondozo I think you're gonna kill most Chien-Pao before they become an issue

[daring nebula]

and thats 20% from lo + wave crash

[chrome sphinx]

like hypothetically you could see someone get really clever with Chien-Pao but adimitdly at least on cart

[daring nebula]

i could also just run tera fairy on dozo

that might be useful

[chrome sphinx]

I see everyone go pretty unga bunga with Chien-Pao, I only know of like one team that does something weirder with Chien-Pao, I might try it tho lol

someone made a team with a bulky Chien-Pao lol

but I dont think you gotta worry about that for now, if thats good thats the type of set that will spike after someone gets in like the top 500 with it or something

aka "dont worry about it this month"

[daring nebula]

bulky av pao is like early dou tech but fr that shit could live ghold make it raim

cuz it was spread

[chrome sphinx]

Tera Fairy Dondozo sounds like a fine idea. I dont think you're gonna tera Dondozo a ton anyways

[daring nebula]

anyways yea i think ill just make the dozo tera fairy

grass hasnt been that useful

[chrome sphinx]

this is funny and probably wont happen a lot cuz Wo-Chien teras so much but

[daring nebula]

never clickedit

[chrome sphinx]

iirc physdef Wo-Chien without tera... still sorta mess with Breloom anyways lmao

[daring nebula]

tbf

[chrome sphinx]

it basically needs Close Combat or Tera Fire to do reasonable damage, lotta folks are not gonna have their Breloom equipped to handle Wo-Chien

[daring nebula]

wo chien does shit on tera elec pao if it teras itself after a sd

just foul play and it deas

[chrome sphinx]

yeah I would def keep Foul Play. I like stuff like Knock Off Wo-Chien but I think your team needs Foul Play more

just note most SD Chien-Pao are sash, but tbh if you tera Wo-Chien, Chien-Pao wont have a fun time anyways lol. And again you got Dragonite bailing you out

[daring nebula]

a lot of games i havent even terad dnite

i just tera something else and let the oppo get low and dnite cleans up with espeed

[chrome sphinx]

yeah I think this is sorta why defensive Dragonites started dropping Encore lol

[daring nebula]

tera blast is mostly for when the oppo actually has nothing to do about dnite dragon dancing in the midgame

[chrome sphinx]

tbh I should probably swap Espeed and Encore's slots on the dex, gonna do that now I sitll havent totally figured out this AV chomp spread lol

[burnt glade]

https://pokepast.es/07ba30faa010629d

[dusty herald]

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[brazen bay]

Get on ps lemme test against it

[chrome sphinx]

have you considered using a bulkier Chi-Yu? might help against some annoying priority stuff, especially Breloom if ou lose Gholdengo

(to be clear it'd still be scarf)

[burnt glade]

ong

[chrome sphinx]

also hehe is one of your ideas trying to knock off covert cloaks for Garg? Ive been wanting to try an idea like that 😛

[burnt glade]

yeah kinda

[chrome sphinx]

there's also a bulky Gholdengo spread you can consider, wont "sweep" as well but it could help against some stall stuff.Actually now that I think about it

Im a bit worried about the opposing garg match up

cuz your entire team except Wo-Chien when it gets a sub up can get salted

[burnt glade]

Chi-Yu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 228 HP / 12 Def / 124 SpA / 4 SpD / 140 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Overheat
• Lava Plume
• Dark Pulse
• Psychic

[chrome sphinx]

yep thats the spread! Gholdengo has the bulkier spread on its analysis too

(as we speak Im actually updating Scizor, sorry BSS sorta went through some growing pains, things maybe got a bit too big so updates have been slower compared to last season. It'll get through soon tho!)

[burnt glade]

On main as rarre

[chrome sphinx]

part of me says "hmm cloak gholdengo might not be a bad idea", but air balloon is still pretty good for other annoying things

[burnt glade]

also for ting Lu

[chrome sphinx]

yeah thats what I was thinking. Sure there's Ruination (and AV ones are just gonna be unfun for Gholdengo without tera regardless), but its easier to like, try to set up a wincon where you Nasty Plot on a weakend Ting-Lu with Air Balloon than Cloak lol

[burnt glade]

@brazen bay thoughts

[brazen bay]

Pretty good tbh

[narrow ruin]

Been having some luck in cart with this :×

https://pokepast.es/f5cbc4a91c5414e6

[dusty herald]

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[narrow ruin]

If its not too much trouble id be super grateful for any input

[brazen bay]

Aside from chi yu you don’t really have a lot of speed control. Sun isn’t really something to be relied on imo, especially in BSS where you can’t bring your entire squad.

I really think you should drop sheer cold on chien pao too. I understand wanting to bust up your walls but honestly those are very, very few, especially when packing swords dance. If Dondozo is something you’re worried about, tera electric with tera blast is far more reliable in breaking past it. Chien Pao just doesn’t have the freedom to fish for ohkos like ting-Lu and Dondozo do, and so it tends to be very iffy, especially when it’s as strong as it is already. Just add another regular attack and leave it in range of a team mate.

I’d really consider timid on fmane too, I know modest specs has like negative switch ins but you’re also super vulnerable to anything in your speed tier, which is a good amount. I would also suggest running booster energy instead of choice specs, this will give you another form of speed control that isn’t reliant on scarf or sun, and will help in a lot of potentially bad scenarios. I’ve switched over to booster flutter on a few of my teams and it certainly is the most sensible item for it rn imo.

I haven’t ever used Torkoal so I don’t really know what the “optimal” set is, but a team this offensive with no SR seems odd, and Torkoal has no way of pivoting or even yawn to help provide its team with safe switch in opportunities, which I also don’t really like.

Roaring Moon and Brute Bonnet look alright, though this team looks like it gets ripped up by Chien-Pao and Dragonite, especially with flutter being modest.

[narrow ruin]

Thank you derpy i appreciate the feedback! I do often get outsped by booster flutter, but my core is usually moon torkoal and flutter. My cart version runs rocks and yawn over sbeam and wisp on torkoal, but with so many dang anhilapes running around and the match-up of fly tera dragonite, more often than not the nite wakes up and sweeps. Would u suggest on pao jolly over adamant? Im gonna try out booster mane. I really do love proto choice on flutter and moon because no one ever calcs for them :×

[brazen bay]

I tend to prefer + speed on my offensive pokes with a couple of exceptions (mainly Dragonite)

Annihilape can be a rough MU, eject pack overheat can be an option to get out after it taunts or w/e and get something in to scare it. As for tera flying Dnite, I find it easier to just nuke it before it gets too far

[narrow ruin]

I think thats honestly my problem, as one dd with the jolly flying tera nite outspeeds my whole team. Boostermane would fix it :0

[brazen bay]

Speed proto would help greatly with that yeah, it’s also worth considering your own Dragonite over rmoon, you won’t get the proto boost but the espeed priority is super helpful and Dragonite is much more self sufficient than rmoon

these are my personal go to Dnite sets

There is also a bulky dd set which is more common than the 3 attack set I tend to run, though I don’t have it on hand. It’s on the dex page for it though

[burnt glade]

derp after using cb one time

[brazen bay]

I’ve actually used it a fair few times now

That was the first time I put it on a serious team

[burnt glade]

so one time

[brazen bay]

I used it vs Pearl this morning too!

[narrow ruin]

116 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe with Timid: This EV spread outspeeds Jolly Roaring Moon and survives an opposing Flutter Mane's Shadow Ball without Terastallization. In addition, Life Orb Mimikyu's Shadow Sneak has a fairly low chance of OHKOing, and Iron Bundle fails to KO with the combination of Hydro Pump and Freeze Dry.

[brazen bay]

just ignore the part where I forgot to change my moth’s tera to grass and lost

[narrow ruin]

I really like this spread on mane in theory

[brazen bay]

If you lose proto Dragonite will outspeed you at +1 with that spread

But it is very good

[narrow ruin]

I wanna check some calcs of drago after multiscale is broken thru rocks or chip. Like what will oneshot nite

[burnt glade]

yeah we know how well that went

[narrow ruin]

Im assuming un cm boosted moonblast doesnt 1hko

[brazen bay]

rarre do I have to beat your ass again

[burnt glade]

once again, never said I was good

[brazen bay]

After multiscale is broken fmane Moonblast basically always kills

[narrow ruin]

Ooooo

[brazen bay]

Assuming no tera ofc

[narrow ruin]

Ok nice. Didnt know that!

Oh... no i meant like

[brazen bay]

If Dnite teras it can kill but you will need more investment to kill from higher ranges

[narrow ruin]

Say nite comes in at 100% but rocks break scale. Can i switch in and one shot it if it teras norm or fly

[brazen bay]

It’s very possible if you’re max spa but usually you’ll max out at around 70ish

[narrow ruin]

Hmmm

[brazen bay]

If you tera fairy then it basically always nukes it

But you’re vulnerable to espeed if they read that

[burnt glade]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Normal Dragonite: 262-310 (81.1 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

[narrow ruin]

Yes

[brazen bay]

They’re talking about if they switch to timid booster

[burnt glade]

oh

no

[narrow ruin]

Specs flutter one shots so many things but as derpy noticed teams super slow

Derpy would u happen to be free to spar on sd if ur not too busy?

[brazen bay]

I’m at work right now but I’ll be free in an hour or so for a little bit

An option to try could be specs timid, as adamant Dnite won’t outspeed timid fmane at +1

[narrow ruin]

Kk if ur free ill hit u up, if not ty so much ur help and advice =*] im trying to finish seasons under 1k

[burnt glade]

doesn't torkoal run eject pack

[brazen bay]

Generally yea

But other options like Sitrus are totally viable

[narrow ruin]

Rarre would u happen to be free to spar?

[burnt glade]

hm

[brazen bay]

Despite my shit talk rarre is a decent BSS player btw

I just like to poke fun at them

[burnt glade]

idts

maybe in like 20

[narrow ruin]

I didnt think otherwise im trying to get better so thats why im always lurking and reading :×

[brazen bay]

I figured just people see me and rarre banter with each other and sometimes don’t get that it’s all jokes LMAO

[narrow ruin]

No i have the utmost respect for this community and its members

I was so stoked to be paired with theory the otherday ingame i screen shot after they beat the brakes off of me ^^ super cool to have a ladder match with theory on my home app ^^;;

[brazen bay]

Oh dope

@chrome sphinx you have a fan

[burnt glade]

[brazen bay]

I’ve only ever been recognized on ps

[burnt glade]

I don't have cart

[narrow ruin]

Lol yeah im a nerd ><;;

[brazen bay]

I’m a nerd too

That’s why I’m literally on every BSS board

[narrow ruin]

Ty derpy for taking the time out of ur day to spar im going to tweak my team based on ur suggestions! Appreciate your time alot

[brazen bay]

No problem!

[narrow ruin]

Derpy!

Holy crap =×

[burnt glade]

Wasn’t the highest like 2000+?

But super cool

[narrow ruin]

For last season?

The season just started this evening

[burnt glade]

Oh

[narrow ruin]

Last season i finished at 3k

But for this one second in time

😭

[burnt glade]

@brazen bay you contributed

[narrow ruin]

Damn i dropped to #6 now

😦

[burnt glade]

Doesn’t matter

it was #1 for a moment

[brazen bay]

Nice lol

Gamer moment

[brazen bay]

Where’s my contributor badge

[narrow ruin]

Duuuuuuddde theres this montage of taylor swift with

😭😭😭😭

[burnt glade]

https://tenor.com/view/ahtf-gif-5633413

[brazen bay]

[narrow ruin]

Ive been obsessively reading all your guys team break downs and samples in bss bazaar for a minute now. Your guys posts are the reason i could even play in the meta on cart =[ i hadnt played pokemon since i was 15. Not a badge but im eternally grateful for the contributions that you and this community constantly make =*]

[brazen bay]

I’m glad you like our team reports. We put a lot of work into those

:)

Speaking of which, I think TMon and Pearl are almost finished with their season 5 team reports and I’m probably gonna get mine out sometime tomorrow

[narrow ruin]

One more for the night ^^;;

The app finally caught up

Ty so much for the advice tonight!

[brazen bay]

Of course! Proud of you

[chrome sphinx]

This is probably gonna be of interest for anyone who makes BSS stuff: we're gonna have a much more extensive sample teams thread! You can see it here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-stadium-singles-samples-thread-if-you-got-a-ladder-ranking-of-1-8k-or-higher-on-switch-we-want-your-team.3713448/

[median moth]

Ooo

[chrome sphinx]

(also yeah my team is gonna be there after I post my RMT lol, same for pearl's)

[median moth]

I haven’t played regulation C at all so this will be nice for when I get back into it

[daring nebula]

https://pokepast.es/46df2a8204f2bdec

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[daring nebula]

basic idea is you lay down tspikes and have taunt setup users to bait and break una walls (+ ting lu in the case of hydra)

and trick mimi makes the job of the setup guys way easier since it baits wo chien and ting lu

[chrome sphinx]

lol yeah one of the top teams had a similar strat actually

except their twist was Salt Cure stuff over Womoth stuff

but I bet you can get away with this

[daring nebula]

yea its been okay on ladder but yk

its ladder

wanted to make sure this was fine

[daring nebula]

are there any changes i should make?

[chrome sphinx]

idk yet, ask me later rn Im making my own RMT LOL! But OK seriously lemme think for a moment

Im a bit worried about how you handle Flutter Mane cuz CB Scizor gets like 2HKOed by Specs Tera Fairy, or just one unfortuante mystical fire switch in

I myself have been going with helmet SD Scizor lately but maybe you could use AV with like Tera Water or Fire

ofc you can never fully "check" Flutter Mane but rn you dont have anything that outspeeds it or can tank like 1 hit and revenge outside of Scizor

[daring nebula]

252 SpA Life Orb Flutter Mane Mystical Fire vs. 252 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Scizor: 146-172 (82.4 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

so much

whatever we cope

just predict correctly

[brazen bay]

Lmfao

[fresh mulch]

You can with AV Tauros

I find in most BSS games switching is something that can be capitalized on somewhat easily

in Tauros' case, with trailblaze

even firing off a free attack is big since the games are often short

ofc if the atk does balls then it isnt as big

but you could always hope 4 a stat drop

[latent grove]

Wanting to get back into BSS and decided to build a team with Wo Chien. Open to any suggestions and revisions! https://pokepast.es/53381b4b3de5c23c

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

I’d suggest changing gholdengo’s EV spread unless it’s really imperative that you outspeed Dragapult

There’s a bulky by scarf spread that still outspeeds unboosted bundle/flutter but is also capable of trading blows with them somewhat

[chrome sphinx]

you might want to consider trying Foul Play > Knock Off on Wo-Chien too. Your team isn't Dragonite weak per se, but your current set can have issues with some Dragonite stuff like say, it Encoring you into Knock Off. Knock Off is always a good move but you dont have something that really needs certain items gone like Garganacl, so you can def get away with Foul play imo

nice thing about Foul Play is that a lot of Dragonite don't want to Encore that

[brazen bay]

Ruin is also a good option in that a lot imo

though it is more encore prone since it only kills if you’re at literally 1 hp

[chrome sphinx]

yeah that can work, I just havent been a big fan of Ruin + Giga Drain together cuz of the Encore thing, Im more of a Ruin + Foul Play guy. But if you REALLY need it for Iron Bundle you can justify that

[brazen bay]

I was using ruin + knock when I was messing with wo chien

[chrome sphinx]

and to be clear looking at your team, yeah you probably want Giga Drain lol

[brazen bay]

That did quite well

[chrome sphinx]

cuz the bundle match-up looks really tera reliant

so Giga Draining any Bundle who thinks they can get away with switching in could save your butt

[latent grove]

Anything else?

Got it fixed https://pokepast.es/4182da7ce583e9c8

Thanks guys!

[brazen bay]

Not that ghost isn’t a good tera for fmane I was just wondering if you meant to have it

Most are tera fairy so I just wanna make sure that’s intentional

[latent grove]

On a first glance, I picked Tera ghost bc it keeps me immune to espeed if I decide I need to tera

But I can do either fairy or ghost

[brazen bay]

That’s totally fair, it’s still a good tera. Just wanted to make sure you meant to have it lol

[fiery thistle]

https://pokepast.es/7bb157af44fe6727

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fiery thistle]

thoughts

[brazen bay]

Replace dragon claw

Fire fang or stone edge

[fiery thistle]

garchomp is mainly there to click outrage and win
if fairy types are there i may just hit earth quake or tera steel iron head

magnezone is a more reliable counter to any fairy types. It challenges chorv and i can tera water to try to catch dragonites earthquaking. It can survive moth too

breloom is there to pester with spore mainly

flutter mane is there to do flutter mane
people don't expect the energy ball AT ALL

bax is there mainly for priority and if that fails just glaive rush

feesh is there to do feesh

[brazen bay]

Also why do you have tera electric bax without tera blast

[fiery thistle]

prolly going fire fang

[fiery thistle]

i just needed a defensive tera

[brazen bay]

Electric is a shit defensive type ngl

Steel/poison/ground

[fiery thistle]

idk it feels like everyone is ready to deal with those

if i terastal steel the flutter mane clicks mystical fire

[brazen bay]

They’re infinitely better than electric

[fresh mulch]

^

[brazen bay]

Electric is only useful for tera blast to deal with Dondozo

If you’re not using tera blast then it’s useless

[fresh mulch]

Only if they live to tell the tale
Surely Crash beats Flutter Mane

Oh you don’t have crash

[brazen bay]

Spear is better imo

Also yeah dd should run spear or crash over shard

Also chien pao exists

I’d recommend trying that

It’s much stronger and faster

[fresh mulch]

Spear is better I agree
I jus thought I saw crash fsr

[brazen bay]

You’d think bax would never leave home without spear or crash so I don’t blame you lol

[fiery thistle]

😅

[brazen bay]

Also imo boots is kind of a waste on most things in BSS

Dnite being like the main exception

[fresh mulch]

When I started BSS I fell into that trap
Boots Iron Bundle @-@

That was an unset for sure LOL

[fiery thistle]

i did that in case i had to deal with a whirlwind ting lu

[brazen bay]

Seeing smogon players come into BSS and be like “what boots aren’t god tier?” Is always hilarious to me

[brazen bay]

Breloom beats it with spore

[fresh mulch]

Yeah it was an instinct for me
Rocks weak? Boots or a offensive choice item

[fiery thistle]

if i swap out bax for the noodle do i lose any potential of killing the fissure fish

[brazen bay]

The only mons that have had boots be like one of their best item choices in BSS since I’ve been around are Ho oh and Dnite

[fiery thistle]

i know from experience breloom hates a LONG time killing that thing

[fresh mulch]

Both make sense yeah
Is CB rainbow bird viable in G8?

[brazen bay]

Tera electric chien pao threatens Dondozo harder than bax ever dreams of

[brazen bay]

LO is preferred bc dynamax but yeah

[fiery thistle]

poor baxcalibur :(

what items do noodle cats run

[brazen bay]

Sash band LO

[fiery thistle]

choice?

[brazen bay]

Mhm

[fiery thistle]

literally all 3 of those items are on other mons 💀

[fresh mulch]

I run NMI because I’m a chad

[brazen bay]

Swap chi yu to scarf

Give LO to Pao

[fiery thistle]

ngl i kinda wanna try nmi just for shits in giggles

[fresh mulch]

NMI is niche

Because the idea of it is to fake Band

Which can be valuable

But if you get low rolls then the jig is up

[fiery thistle]

i can hear the anime inner monologe now

[brazen bay]

It’s not even that good at it bc banded Pao is mainly for Dondozo and ice crash bounces off of it even when banded

[fresh mulch]

Well that begs the question why are you using a physical attacker to beat the defensively thick Pokémon

[fiery thistle]

i am concerned about being locked into moves at the worst times

[fresh mulch]

I think it’s fine

It’s not ideal but it’s usable

Depends on team comp to be honest

[brazen bay]

Banded crunch 2 hit kos Dondozo with tera or if you get the drop

So it’s not unreasonable

[fresh mulch]

Ah that’s why

I’ve been running Tera Ice

[burnt glade]

now calc it vs fissure

[fresh mulch]

Because it’s on a snow team

The one I was spamming in BSSWC

[fiery thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/prepare-for-war-threat-menace-kalash-kalachnikov-gif-20823701

[fresh mulch]

I think it has to be comp specific

[fresh mulch]

Like it’s usable but it’s not the preferred item
If that makes sense

Btw derpy for OHKO tour

[fresh mulch]

who is the person in the artwork

Like the banner

[brazen bay]

Uhhh

Idk it’s a Twitter meme I stole from the one regional where she got a fissure sweep

[burnt glade]

Oh

[brazen bay]

and her opponent just walked off

LOL

[burnt glade]

someone named fiona

[fresh mulch]

Yoshi and Lugia?
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen her stream and I’m p sure she only does VGC but

YEAH

[burnt glade]

3 fissure in a row

[fresh mulch]

Ok it was Yoshi and Lugia then

[fiery thistle]

what if i give chomp shadow claw to scare off death monkey

[brazen bay]

Just outrage it my guy

[fresh mulch]

Sounds bad

[fiery thistle]

yeah i just went fire fang

a questionable weak move

you'd think biting hurts more in this game

[burnt glade]

ok

[fiery thistle]

https://pokepast.es/dd82385e2aa490e6 alright how about now

[brazen bay]

Looks better ye

fwiw you can get away with modest on scarf chi, though your team is pretty lacking in speed control so I’d probably hold off on that

[fresh mulch]

Do u usually run modest on it
Usually when I run a scarf it’s timid because I’m paranoid

[brazen bay]

Yeah I tend to prefer modest

[fresh mulch]

What’s calcs r it relevant for

[brazen bay]

Just more unga bunga

[fresh mulch]

P sure it’s relevant for roaring moon

Ah

[brazen bay]

I think tera overheat can threaten to break Bozo with modest but tbh I usually don’t run a lot of calcs I just feel out what I need

[burnt glade]

You could also run the bulkier spread

[brazen bay]

Ting dozo is all the bulk you need tbh

Lol

[burnt glade]

I do not see a ting nor a dozo

[brazen bay]

Bad team then tbh

[wind oak]

https://pokepast.es/d827eae4ad27c3e0

Saw this on the forums as an example team, and I wanted to look at using it. I'm 100% new to BSS and in-game battles, only experience is Gen 8 OU and Gen 8 Monotype. Any recommendations? Or glaring issues?

[burnt glade]

https://pokepast.es/0cfc72b036e199ad
Me wwhen

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[burnt glade]

I’ll take it into consideration

[narrow ruin]

Is pokepaste down i keep getting a weird error

Error 1040 too many connections

[burnt glade]

Yes

[narrow ruin]

Ok =× i was looking for team help x.x

[narrow ruin]

Apologize for bothering you guys, i would greatly appreciate any help youd be willing to offer fixing this team :×? https://pokepast.es/d17e0d0e6f10461a

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

Specs modest is a bit overkill, you’ll get a lot more consistency if you go timid to get the speed boost for Protosynthesis for one

[narrow ruin]

Ok, should i go scarf modest or specs timid?

[brazen bay]

Specs timid, proto boost on spa is 1.3

[narrow ruin]

Kk

[brazen bay]

So you’ll get the most bang for your buck by going specs timid since the speed boost is still 1.5

[narrow ruin]

Gotcha, i thought speed was 1.3 proto attack and spA i had switched ty derp

[brazen bay]

Np, I’d also go with like liquidation or surf on pex instead of chilling water

-1 attack just ain’t the same as scald, and the extra damage is more valuable

especially since you have haze to stop boosting more consistently

[narrow ruin]

Hmmmmm kk

For this, surf or liq? Im thinking liquidation, because isnt affected if lu switches in and would damage chiyu more?

[brazen bay]

It’s really up to you. If you’re worried about those mons then yeah liquidation would probably be better, especially since chi yu is very capable of threatening sun builds

[narrow ruin]

I find myself basically seperating it into two cores

But i had great luck rn with hatterene open, moon and mane in back

With timid i speed tie chien pao now thats solid

[brazen bay]

Yeah, and with some chien Pao trending toward a little bulk you can sometimes get the upper hand

Tho I wouldn’t rely on this ofc

[narrow ruin]

No but atleast a coin flip

Instead of modest and im always 2nd vs opposing flutters and chienpaos, even without priority cat

[brazen bay]

I’d also consider using something like tera water on garg

This will help with Pao and potential sun abusers the opponent might have

[narrow ruin]

Its my fissure insurance policy :×

[brazen bay]

With a team this offensive you ideally shouldn’t give your opponent enough time to fish for it

[narrow ruin]

From donzo and ting

Hmmmm kk

Switch max def for max spD on gar?

[brazen bay]

Most of the fissure clips I end up getting are because the opponent lets me play my game and slow it down to the point where I can afford to waste turns

[narrow ruin]

Or is that serviceable

[brazen bay]

I’d default to SpDef since you’re running ironpress

[narrow ruin]

Better survivability to goldhengo and chiyu and mane, ive had them snipe gar often

[brazen bay]

Yeah that’s the idea

If it’s not cloak gholdengo has a really hard time with tera water garg

[narrow ruin]

Oh shit

Dude yeah ok thats blatant i just realized

Ty so much derpy seriously sir

[brazen bay]

No problem :)

[north badger]

Am I cooking or is the kitchen burning down, cause I might use this in reg d

[stone holly]

Well the thing gets body press for one and dtail as well

[chrome sphinx]

it gets Acid Armor too if you want to go all in on Body Press

[brazen bay]

[potent osprey]

Just a team I've been thinking of using. It definitely needs a stronger special attacker and more bulk (I don't think the paradoxes especially Iron Valiant really belong in this team but I kind of need good pivots) https://pokepast.es/83c559a0cc3db597
Apologies for bothering you.

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent osprey]

Ping or DM, only get notifications for those.

[chrome sphinx]

not really sure about HDB Sandy Shocks. in BSS usually when you use HDB, its a SR weak mon that like to switch a lot like Dragonite or Volcarona or Avalugg.

[potent osprey]

Ok, I think I’ll run some other util item on it then, Maybe leftovers for bulk but idk, i built it frail.

[chrome sphinx]

though tbh Im really not sure about Sandy Shocks in general, Ting-Lu really did a number on that thing, not sure if home will change much for it beyond Heatran being a big new target

usually when I think SR Sandy Shocks

I think of either it being sash + mirror coat or some weird Iron Defense Body Press thing

[potent osprey]

Yeah, I wasn’t entirely sold on using Sandy for my team. I just needed something for some types

Sandy and valiant i think have got to go for this team

[chrome sphinx]

I assume White Herb is for messing with Landorus-T, but I wouldn't do that without something like.. Tera Ice on Sneasler to actually hit it, or Tera Flying + Acrobatics with a different consumable item like maybe Normal Gem?

[brazen bay]

Shocks runs sash as a lead rn

fwiw

it’s quite rare tho

[chrome sphinx]

yeah like I said Ting-Lu really owned the sash ones

Iron Defense Body Press is something thats appeared on high ranking teams a few times, and is one of the few shocks that didn't get totally owned by Ting-Lu

[potent osprey]

Ok, so replace shocks then. Noted.

[potent osprey]

I'll probably add Tera Ice+Tera Blast on it then.

[brazen bay]

also about Sneasler, SD acro hits Lando plenty hard, and if you optimize its EVs properly you can fairly easily set up on most Lando by timing your tera correctly

[chrome sphinx]

for the record Im more interested in Acrobatics if you're using Unburden

especially since it can nail mons that go "Ima EQ"

that might be where White Herb makes more sense too now that I think about it

[potent osprey]

Ok, sounds good. I'm mainly having Sneasler in the back for if Samurott-H gets KO'ed.

[chrome sphinx]

I havent really thought about what AV Samurott-H survives, but Im worried that the really nasty special attackers like Flutter Mane are gonna just cleave right through it. Maybe consider a Fairy resist Tera or something on it

[brazen bay]

I want Sneasler so badly rn iron moth sucks ass but it’s the best option for anti tspikes for my team

[chrome sphinx]

like Poison

[brazen bay]

[potent osprey]

Yeah, I was too lazy to add tera types lol. Tera Poison/Steel+assault vest will be nice i g.

I think I'll go Poison just in case bc fighting types

[chrome sphinx]

to be clear Im not even sure if AV Samurott-H is a good idea yet, but I don't want to dismiss it right away because a lot of weird stuff get away with AV lol

[potent osprey]

True, I'll try out different items and see what works best in practice.

[chrome sphinx]

come to think of it though Im not really sure what you do against Flutter Mane, it basically bonks the whole team, I'd def prepare for it!

[brazen bay]

Tbh I’d rather go kleavor bc rocks are more valuable to limit Dnite and Zapdos, who are and will be big deals respectively

[potent osprey]

Should I add gholdengo instead of sandy? I have a cheese man with 0atk

[chrome sphinx]

yeah Gholdengo is gonna be a net positive for a lot of teams lol. It wont totally solve your Flutter Mane issue even with Scarf but it'll help

theres enough booster flutter manes that they'd force Gholdengo to tera

[potent osprey]

Should I invest more in bulk on Legion so maybe it can live a hit from Flutter Mane?

[brazen bay]

there’s a gholdengo spread that lives unboosted sball from flutter

[potent osprey]

Oh crap forgor about shadow ball 💀

[brazen bay]

granted you’re still pretty sol against specs, but flutter shifting to booster and bulky sets makes this an ok check in emergencies, it also handles garganacl and other defensive pokes much better than scarf

If you pair this with something like ting lu you can easily pivot around choiced manes, especially if you have something with protect or the like to scout

[chrome sphinx]

ftr Specs Flutter was what I was worried about, that thing is already notorious for breaking through pretty bulky AV mons, so I cant imagine Samurott pulling it off without the right tera

[potent osprey]

Ok, so replace sandy with gholdengo, and sneasler(?) with ting-lu?

[brazen bay]

No keep Sneasler

It’s a great checkmate with unburden

[potent osprey]

I feel like I'm being dumb but does Feesh go?

It is very weak to flutter mane

[brazen bay]

You could go scarf

Instead of band

Adaptability is a big power boost as is

[potent osprey]

Yeah i just did calcs and it outspeeds if mane doesnt have scarf

and OHKOs without bulk

[brazen bay]

tera water helps you live shadow ball and if you’re faster you ideally only have to take one

[potent osprey]

Aight

Who should i replace with ting-lu

Sorry

[brazen bay]

Sami tbh

[chrome sphinx]

I would make sure its Jolly if you do that btw

[potent osprey]

Yes

Ok i will keep that in mind, I did really want to use sam but I still like most of the pokemon on this team

[brazen bay]

I’m sure there’s a niche it fills but idt AV is the way to go

[potent osprey]

I was also thinking lifeorb/black glasses

[brazen bay]

gambit does that better

[potent osprey]

Damn

Otter moment

[brazen bay]

Honestly it might be a cool Gallade alternative

It has priority still right?

[potent osprey]

Yeah in sucker punch

and aqua jet

[brazen bay]

yeah it could be a Gallade alternative that can set hazards while it trades leads

[potent osprey]

K, sounds good

I probably am not gonna use valiant either bc i built mine for a different team

Is armarouge fine on the team? I needed a fire-type but its not super necessary

[brazen bay]

I would say chi yu is better as a fire type attacker but honestly it’s not like Armarogue is bad

It’s just more specific

[potent osprey]

Yeah

I like the fire fish

Forgot abut it lol

Idk how I feel abt using legendaries but they pass the vibe check lol

[brazen bay]

If it’s allowed it’s fair game

[potent osprey]

Ok

It's just a personal thing really

Im updating the pokepaste

Will show when im done, shouldnt take too long

[potent osprey]

recommended item?

[brazen bay]

I don’t really think it’s worth worrying about that, legendary doesn’t even mean broken inherently, but the top mons are used more for a reason

sash

[potent osprey]

K

[potent osprey]

True

[brazen bay]

I get all kinds of shit from more casual players because my teams often end up being just stacks of the top ranked mons

But hey I’m winning and they aren’t

[potent osprey]

real

They are good for a reason

(yes i stole your words)

[brazen bay]

But yeah imo it is a skill to find and be able to properly abuse the “broken” stuff in a metagame, and anyone that gives you shit because you’re using highly ranked mons or whatnot is just coping

as long as you’re not this guy I don’t care what you use personally

[potent osprey]

I think I need to wash my eyes out with bleach and hydrochloric acid

[potent osprey]

that makes me feel better

[potent osprey]

should ting-lu tera into anything specific or keep original

i was thinking steel

[brazen bay]

Poison, fairy, or water are my go tos

[brazen bay]

Steel is ok too but generally I prefer poison since it flips its weaknesses while also adding a fighting resistance that steel doesn’t, you also remain a chi yu check by keeping the fire neutrality

[potent osprey]

Cool. Almost done.

[potent osprey]

Revised team: https://pokepast.es/2c16954eaa5bed1e

[brazen bay]

Sneasler only needs 154 speed EVs to outrun everything bar scarfed Eleki once unburden is active btw, throw the rest into HP to set up more safely

Looks a lot better tho

I might actually steal it LOL

Sorry 156

156 speed

I always mess this up

[potent osprey]

100 HP and 156 spe right

Come on i know math right

[brazen bay]

Yep

Technically 102

But the 2 EVs left over won’t do anything

[potent osprey]

Go ahead lol, you helped make it

Orb or specs on fish or should i just swap depending on what i want

[brazen bay]

Hard to say, I think scarf basc is the play for this squad but without an official place to play the format there’s no real way to say for certain

[potent osprey]

Ok, ill try both items and see what works

[brazen bay]

Sounds good

[potent osprey]

Tyvm and if you want to know how it goes ill lyk

[brazen bay]

No problem, and yeah feel free. I’m not always around but if you ping or dm me I’ll get back to you eventually

[burnt glade]

[brazen bay]

I FIXED IT

[potent osprey]

THEY FIXED IT

[burnt glade]

repeat offense so

[potent osprey]

Okay 👍🏾

[brazen bay]

ABOUT FREEDOM CUP

Although it technically follows the same rules as the official BSS format, we will NOT be rating any Freedom Cup teams. By removing the pick 3 stipulation, Freedom Cup is fundamentally different from the real BSS ruleset. The 3 Pokémon limitation enforces different styles of team building and play, which will not transfer to the Freedom Cup ruleset.

[last atlas]

https://pokepast.es/466ea9bd1e0395d8 is this team good for gen 8 bss?

[brazen bay]

Quagsire as your sole defensive mon will not go over well tbh. Your team is pretty open to Kyogre and caly s if they get going. AV Yveltal is good but a well built team will easily be able to play around it and open up a path for Calyrex or Zacian to get a sweep going.

Extreme Speed on Eleki makes absolutely no sense to me. It already outspeeds everything by a country mile and if you actually let something get to the point that you need to use priority from Eleki on it that’s kind of on you. Rapid spin also makes little sense, since the SS BSS metagame is extremely fast paced and spending a turn to spin usually is throwing the game, especially since your sash user isn’t particularly good in the meta.

Dia should have LO, since it’ll keep the power boost when dynamaxed, and your LO slot isn’t being taken by Yveltal.

I’d drop cloyster for an ogre check. Maybe SpDef ferrothorn, seeing as your leftovers slot is free, and then give the sash to Pheromosa.

Eleki’s moves need to be tuned up as well, like I said earlier. Explosion is fine, especially as a dynamax option, but espeed and especially spin aren’t needed. You would benefit much more from something like volt switch and another auxiliary electric move, maybe thunderbolt

[last atlas]

Alr thx for the help

[surreal scroll]

So will there be a different kind of rating chat seperate from BsS?

[brazen bay]

no. Freedom Cup can be discussed in #comp-general and the ps chatroom for it

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm which is better sd kingambit or guillotine kingambit

[stone holly]

Well guillotine assumes you are av

Sd assumes you are blackglasses

[surreal scroll]

Hmmmm i have no idea what im doing.

Kingambit and tornadus are our set up sweepers.

Amoongus is our spore immunity pivot.

Vested dondozo is for chi yu and flutter mane

Dragapult helps with speed control and wall breaking

Great tusk is our electric immune rapid spinner.

Dont know if this is good or bad.

https://pokepast.es/1244600348bfd922

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

Tornadus has a more accurate flying stab now iirc, and if you’re using nasty plot I’d go with some coverage instead of u turn

This team also has no real answer to iron bundle so I would advise looking into that

Not much else to say though since reg D isn’t out just yet

@surreal scroll

[surreal scroll]

What does reg D bring?

I realized regieleki beats out Iron bundle

And does good as a wall breaker with specs

https://pokepast.es/ad00e994909ac3e3

I.might not need dragapult anymore

[surreal scroll]

Never mind

[stone holly]

Ignore the mythicals and box legends

Thing with eleki is that it has to worry about ting lu
Also as of a recent confirmation, its ability got nerfed this gen to 1.3 instead of 1.5

Curiously thundurus T electric stab does the exact same dmg as eleki once they have the same nature

[chrome sphinx]

also remember that Thundurus-T still keeps that electric immunity too

could be a big deal for something like Tera Water

Tera Water is great on a lot of flying-types because of Chien-Pao, but a lot of Chien-Pao DO run Tera Electric, which can be a bummer for that kind of strat

granted Thundurus-T isnt known for its bulk but in some past BSS formats bulky Thundurus-T has existed because its got enough power where you dont need to fully invest in it, could happen again this gen!

[stone holly]

Also eleki only beats bundle in the sense that its faster (usually) in the sense

Booster bundle outspeeds max speed eleki

And kos with hydro pump

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm

[surreal scroll]

How is this for reg C? https://pokepast.es/981193bcd4ba0fc0

[surreal scroll]

@brazen bay

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm

[surreal scroll]

The team I have looks solid but it feels like its missing somethibg

[chrome sphinx]

Regulation C does end tonight just so you know

[surreal scroll]

Ah, many apologies

[surreal scroll]

When would be a good time to ask for team rates. I know just reg D came out I'm asking for future reference

[brazen bay]

I’d give it about a week. Most of us have been practicing with each other beforehand but I’d wait for the raters to get a feel for the metagame now that everyone has access to it

[potent osprey]

this team is doing well but i feel like maybe i could try gambit instead of sami

[north badger]

Hisui goodra is gonna be underrated in this meta imo

The shorter games means that it’s poor long term longevity isn’t too much of a problem and it has coverage multiple mons would kill for

I’d guess it’s sets would be av (mainly), specs, id bp, and surprise tera ghost curse bp (needs more testing)

[surreal scroll]

I hope the goober is good for once

[north badger]

It will atleast be better than the original, I can guarantee that

[stone holly]

its been around at least, wouldnt call it too underrated while its in top 20 usage

[brazen bay]

hoodra is good ye

B/B+ tier most likely

[surreal scroll]

Hmmmm can I show a team or should I continue to wait

[chrome sphinx]

sure if you want, just note things are still a bit unstable, who knows how this metagame will develop!

[surreal scroll]

It feels like I cover the threats and typings I need to but maybe the sets are completely off? Not sure this team at least to me looks like it should be good but has been under performing a lot. https://pokepast.es/282833c54bf0996d

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal scroll]

The purpose of the team is trap anything that might annoy the current wall breaker I would be using. Like dondozo could annoy urshifu so I bring fire spin encore dnite to trap and widdle it down before using urshifu to clean the opponent up.

[chrome sphinx]

not a bad idea, though how often have you been using the Trick Room mode?

While Im def interested in Trick Room and its around, I actually know of two players around these parts that actually ditched Trick Room because they REALLY didn't like it this gen

partly due to Terastallization

I do think using Dragonite to mess with Dondozo is a solid idea, but just remember its a 100% fullproof thing, Avalanche Dondozo exists specfically to mess with that lol

I would also def consider using a bulkier Flutter Mane spread. Not that full offensive FLutter Mane is bad, but there's even MORE priority around than Regulation D

when some irl stuff gets out of the way I'll maybe add some more updated EV spreads (like how Modest Scarf mane now wants at least 20 Speed EVs for Landorus-T)

this is for Regulation C but it can help a bit, just make sure you change the 12 Speed spreads to 20 Speed: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/flutter-mane/battle-stadium-singles/

theres a lot of bulkier EV spreads listed there, and I think for Regulation D, usually you want more bulk on Flutter Mane

[grim notch]

Hey hope this is the right place, i mentioned wanting to build a trick room team in #comp-general-2 and this is it. https://pokepast.es/9df978f2cc34f8bf im not that good at showdown but this has been giving me a bit of luck, does anyone know what i could do to maybe improve the team

[surreal scroll]

Honestly I was having a really hard time finding a 6th and final mon so i opted for tr cresellia to help with luna. I'm not even sure if cresellia is the right fit for this team. Lastly is fluttermane the only mon I need to change evs on? Or should I change around some mons.

[surreal scroll]

It isn't only for dozo, looking at the team it could also be really good for bulk up/ iron defense corviknights

Or a setting up kingambit because if they try going for anymore than one sd they lose their kingambit to encore.

Though if it does come down to it, energy ball heat/ energy ball fluttermane can kill dozo.

[chrome sphinx]

I mean Flutter Mane is the only one would change for sure. theres stuff like Dragonite that may have better EV spreads but hard to say exactly what they are right now

[chrome sphinx]

oh sorry I missed this! I think 3 TR mons sounds like overkill, though admitdly in the past when Ive used TR in other gens I generally had "non Trick Room modes"

so basically Im not forced to go all-in on Trick Room, might not be a bad idea to explore that

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm ursaluna and cresselia arent getting much use in this team what might be good replacements that could improve the team? https://pokepast.es/a7c912605e25d25c

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

well you’re not using TR so I don’t get why Ursaluna is min speed. You’d probably want to at least go adamant, if not find a speed threshold to hit with it. I think you should also really consider at least one of close combat or headlong rush. Ursaluna is already killing itself anyway, might as well get the most bang for your buck.

I find it to be more consistent to use cress with just one attacking move and have substitute instead. You can make up for the lack of coverage by being more careful with your usage of it and making sure to lure and chip or remove its checks before going for the sweep.

Again with Urshifu you should go with close combat instead of drain punch, especially if you’re using choice band. With that kind of set you want to be hitting as hard as possible. I would also recommend trying to fit aqua jet, the priority can really come in handy against things like flutter mane.

It’s pretty redundant to have Dnite and Heatran trapping imo, I’d change your Dnite set to something more threatening. Bulky DD would be a good option. Again I’d recommend fitting in priority, dragonite’s extreme speed is one of its main selling points, so I would suggest trying to fit that in.

@surreal scroll

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm does bulky nite in BSS run encore or roost

Hmmm also if im not running roost should I just run HDB or just keep it at rocky helm

[chrome sphinx]

For the record I actually think Drain Punch Urshifu is really good, but not on a choice set

[brazen bay]

Ye drain punch itself is good that’s why I specified that on choice sets you wanna be just hitting hard and killing stuff

Sorry if I wasn’t clear on that

[surreal scroll]

Okay is there any advice for selecting mons on a team to battle? Like what should i go off of when selecting my three? I ask this because it feels like half the battles are just lost the instant I get 1 turn wrong.

[stone holly]

Its good to have an idea of a set three on your team that syngerize well enough to cover most threats and then understand when you may want to bring the other pokemon on your team when that 3 doesnt work

[brazen bay]

I think this is a good idea for beginners to mid level but once you start getting into higher level games you want your team to all synergize well together. Obviously having a core 3 isn’t a bad thing but make sure you consider how well everything works together outside of that

[stone holly]

[surreal scroll]

Also any tips on battling as opposed to 6v6? I've learned that every turn is significantly more important cuz one turn if set up can end the battle much quicker.

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm i think i might need something to top set up, dragonite doesnt feel like its doing anything here. https://pokepast.es/803909c22653796e 9/10 of my battles feel like "Oops my opponent got one turn of set up...I better just boot up another battle"

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome sphinx]

I probably wouldnt use a DD Dragonite totally walled by Steel-types right now, have you considered Earthquake over Tera Blast or Extreme Speed?

[brazen bay]

Looks pretty decent

With Luna and tran

That’s a fine Dnite

and shifu

[chrome sphinx]

At least I havent been liking that lately cuz I see way too many Heatran and Goodra lol

Cresselia + Heatran is def a good core tho

[brazen bay]

cress tran is good

Cress Fu is good

Cress anything is good LOL

[surreal scroll]

I cant tell if I'm bad or if thats just how gen 9 is

Or maybe its both

[brazen bay]

I’m struggling a bit too

dw lol

Reg D is nuts

[surreal scroll]

It feels like theres just 60% just guess work

[brazen bay]

It is early meta

So that is part of it

[surreal scroll]

I mean thats fair

[brazen bay]

Once the metagame stabilizes

It’ll be less volatile

[surreal scroll]

Hmm maybe i should just keep playing? The team looks solid but it doesnt feel solid so its either lack of experience or just not my type of team.

[brazen bay]

Thad’s what I’m doing

I’m just grinding games af

[surreal scroll]

Im struggling to get passed 1100. But ive been able to get at least 1400 in 6v6. Ive even gotten 1300 in 3v3 before.

Just this season is rough

[brazen bay]

keep in mind that with the ladder being so fresh, you’re gonna see pretty good players as low as 1200 and even lower depending on how their session is going, so don’t feel discouraged if you run into someone and get rocked. Everyone’s still learning

[surreal scroll]

Yeah and theres facing people in 1400s all the way in 1100s so yeah i guess your right.

Might give cresselia stored power instead of moon blast, gives more potency to anything that usnt a dark type

[brazen bay]

I have one account in playing on hovering in 1300s rn even tho I have my other 2 in the top 10 bc that’s just how the format is rn

Whole lotta variance

Not much you can do about it

[chrome sphinx]

yeah to be clear compared to Regulation C which introduced only 4 mons

we got an avalanche of new viable mons

so yeah no one knows EXACTLY what they're doing yet

[surreal scroll]

I have flutter and urshifu to beat out dark types so maybe I can afford to run stored power calm mind.

[chrome sphinx]

like Im just throwing stuff against the wall and plugging stuff into an old regulation c set up lol

[brazen bay]

I’ve been experimenting with stored power

I really like it

You’re much more setup reliant but honestly that’s cress’ whole thing anyway

So it’s not too bad to go all in on it

You can beat stuff like Dondozo too which is really helpful

[surreal scroll]

I had like an iron hands corviknight dozo team I think I got to 1300 with but then iron hands isnt really being used much anymore. Which kinda confuses me it seems like it'd still be pretty good.

[brazen bay]

SP cress also takes a massive dump on the saltman

Which depending on the team can be insanely valuable

[surreal scroll]

Like it walls regieleki, hits lando T, dnite, garchomp, clodsire for good damage with eq and ice punch, beats corviknight while synergizing well with glowking and corv, beats out garganacl and dozo, hits skeledirge for good ramage like iron hands can throw hands

[brazen bay]

The main mon I’ve been struggling with is Ursaluna

[chrome sphinx]

well note take usage stats with a bit of salt atm. a lot of mons droped off because of new toy syndrome. Like for Iron Hands in particular, we just got 3 major AV mons (Heatran, Ursaluna, and Hisuian Goodra) so a lot of people are trying the new stuff

reminds me too fo like

when Scream Tail was REALLY high in usage in early Series 2 but then dropped off heavily each season, we could see another mon like that

what mon that'd be, idk yet tho

[surreal scroll]

Like glowking + iron hands seem like they'd be a good combo

[chrome sphinx]

I wouls say if there's a old mon yo want to build around, like dont let low usage dissuade you for now

it could just be something that was forgotten

[brazen bay]

I mean hell Dragonite ain’t even in the top 3 rn

[surreal scroll]

Pair it with corviknight and that seems like a decent defensive core. Might be week to fire but still in the current meta there isnt many fire types that want to face hands

[brazen bay]

That’s blasphemy

[chrome sphinx]

(that being said if you use those two watch out for Tera Ground stuff, theres stuff like Tera Ground Flutter mane specfically for Heatran lol)

[surreal scroll]

Eq and close combat/drain punch checks almost every fire type and if its a special attacker, vested or not hands can deal with special fire types. Except maybe Chi yu fire blast

Of course tera is always a thing but still

[brazen bay]

The only tera interaction I actually dislike is curse

I hate the random ghost curse thing LOL

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm i might make a glowking + corviknight + iron hands team. Hmmm i was thinking about using dozo but is that even needed? Urshifu water might be fine

Dozo does help against set up tho

[chrome sphinx]

its why I wanan try Chesnaught later, I havent seen anyone use Tera Ghost Chesnaught but, I think its nuts that it gets that. And it gets a Shadow Ball immunity too!

[brazen bay]

TMon remind me to never talk about mechanics I dislike while you’re around your ass always thinks of some way to make it even worse to play around LOL

[chrome sphinx]

lol I was thinking about this before you brought it up tho, Ive brought it up somewhere!

I was thinking about it cuz I was like "ugh do I really gotta run EQ for Gholdengo"

(I thin Chesnaught gets that right)

[surreal scroll]

I honestly might just not play BSS until the meta settles it just feels awful the more I play it.

[surreal scroll]

Hmmmm would sd urshifu be better than banded for my team

Or is that too much set up? https://pokepast.es/c72debaac19a283b

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/1ab077e607236e96 thinking of taking this to the in game ladder. I was also thinking of playing flutter mane over cress but cress is such a good defensive mon, and urshifu check

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

Very bundle weak imo. Thundy doesn’t have any EVs either but I’m gonna assume you’re going max max timid.

I haven’t used treads myself but it seems decent.

I’d bulk out Sneasler a bit. 156 speed is enough for everything up to and including scarf Pult once unburden is active. Throw the remaining EVs into HP to help you live longer and be more of a threat.

[raw ferry]

yeah max timid

[brazen bay]

Lando looks fine tho again this team is super bundle weak so maybe try a different AV mon

[raw ferry]

I slapped abomosnow onto a bundle weak team and went aurora veil and got to master ball last season would that work here?

other options is a wo-chien eved to kill bundle from full with giga drain

[brazen bay]

For thundy replace wind bolt with tbolt, the consistency is much more appealing, and you’re not really wanting for power regardless. I’d also consider maybe using scarf on thundy instead of LO, it’ll help you revenge kill and pivot around things better.

Mixed Dnite is interesting, I don’t really have a comment on it bc I mean Dnite kinda just does what he wants, but I would remain open to specializing it into a more traditional role should that be needed

[raw ferry]

yeah its mixed because 76 ev ice beam 1 shots a landorus thinking its safe

eq is for heatran, and I was gonna put t bolt on it over e speed but I needed prio in my last slot

[brazen bay]

Cress looks fine, though I’d give her the leftovers instead of treads since she really relies on being on the field a while to get her thing going

[raw ferry]

I went rocky helmet for rapid strikes

is that not worth?

[brazen bay]

Not on a non resist

Shifu likes gloves and pads

And you’d rather lefties to be able to just stay in and brawl with it

[raw ferry]

fair

whats the most cuttable pokemon and what would you replace it with?

[brazen bay]

Honestly probably Lando

[raw ferry]

I working with a cart so i cant get the swsh mons

[brazen bay]

Or sneas

Depends on what you’re comfortable with

[raw ferry]

I could see sneasler being cuttable

[brazen bay]

If you need something I can help you get it

[raw ferry]

but i really wanted to try it

[brazen bay]

I have a lot of stuff on console

[raw ferry]

I appreciate it

if I can swap 2 pokemon I can put back on bundle and abom

that was the core that got me master ball last season

[brazen bay]

You could also drop treads. I don’t know how well it’s been doing for you but ting Lu with like tera poison or fairy or sm

That would help a lot vs bundle

[raw ferry]

I havent taken this team on ladder yet

[brazen bay]

Also sets SR and phases and is a generally good AV attacker if you wanna go that route

[raw ferry]

but treads was a general anti kleavor lead cus ive seen it a lot on ladder thus far

[brazen bay]

Oh use wet fu for that

Best Mon in the meta hands down

[raw ferry]

yeah I cant get one haha

[brazen bay]

I got you

[raw ferry]

I'd also like to try and avoid the top 3-5 until i really need them

but i can take one off your hands if you've got a spare

[brazen bay]

I mean shifu is number 1 rn for a reason and I would highly recommend using it if you need a kleavor check. It’s such a versatile attacker

It adds so much to almost any team

It would also free you up to be a little more creative in your other slots if you add some of the big guns, they can cover most of the meta and you can try to find some applications for more niche mons if that’s what you wanna do

also good you know about making your physical attackers female if possible

👍

[raw ferry]

sorry @brazen bay the breaker tripped in my room and killed the router. I'm back now.

[brazen bay]

nws lol

[raw ferry]

yeah i can see rapid bear being a good fit

it's a pri user and wall breaker

if you got a spare I can use it. Otherwise I'm gonna need to find something else

was also thinking of sap sipper h goodra

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm question, might make a new team based around G slowking, what do yall think of G slowking compared to other vest users

[raw ferry]

does 156 speed un burden outrun regieleki?

[stone holly]

Yeah (as long as its not scarf, but nothing is outspeeding that)

[raw ferry]

even timid max speed?

w/o scarf obv

[brazen bay]

Ye

Scarf Pult is faster than regieleki

[raw ferry]

bussin

do you have a spare rapid strikes btw?

also just snagged a shiny chansy while EV training sneasler lmao

[raw ferry]

3-0 with the team, and I finally made it back to ultra balkl after a huge loss stream before

[brazen bay]

Ye I’ll have to give it to ya tomorrow tho I’m at work rn

[raw ferry]

thank you thank you

[brazen bay]

np

[raw ferry]

can i force a cetitan snow team?

[brazen bay]

I mean yeah but it probably won’t be super good

[raw ferry]

I got master ball last season with snow screens

but I used bundle and not cetitan so

[surreal scroll]

Glowking, urshifu, heatran, maybe zapdos for the ground immunity

Chien pao could be good for set up sweeper with SD being able to hit amoongus and not being outsped by meowscarada while providing a good way to challenge fluttermane as long as I can get an SD up

Ok this might be better than the last team I had https://pokepast.es/d0b78dddd1351849 it feels more adjusted to what is currently being used a lot. Stored power cresellia, storm heatran, and discharge zap beat the current anti set up mons while chien pao provides good speed and priority, banded urshifu provides strong potency that pairs well with chien pao, flutter mane is good....that's about all the reason I use to pick it, it's very very good.

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal scroll]

Ursaluna and dnite felt like they weren't pulling their weight as much as they should have

I was gonna use Glowking but if vested heat tanks slightly worse at the trade off of trapping mons to allow for easier set up, it felt like cresselia could use that set up opportunity better than glowking can.

Honestly

Would u turn for banded urshifu be worth for the volt turn rocky helm combo

[raw ferry]

lmk whenever works for you time wise :)

[brazen bay]

I’m gonna go on a walk quick and then I’ll hop on and trade

[raw ferry]

👍

[raw ferry]

@brazen bay you good to trade?

[raw ferry]

thinking of trying out t wave pult and destiny bond iron val

[surreal scroll]

@brazen bay can I battle you in show down? Mostly so I can learn on what to do right in BSS as despite making teams, I am still decently new to 3v3.

Like I don't really know how 3v3 plays too differently from 6v6 other than switching is a lot less important

[surreal scroll]

Okay I think I'm finally getting into the swing of things

Got 1300 just by abusing cresselia's ability to end the game if the opponent doesnt have either h goober or a dark type

https://pokepast.es/d56b5ea6e79664e8 what do yall think

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome sphinx]

question, do you plan on using this on the Switch @surreal scroll ?

asking because there is then a new dynamic you're gonna have to take into account: the timer

Cresselia is still a big deal dw about that, but make sure you dont lose the timer war basically lol

if the match time runs out and your foe as more mons, they win!

[surreal scroll]

Yeah that I'll have to play around

But I think my team is aggressive enough to still be good with that timer

what do you think of the team

[north badger]

Is there a replacement for urshifu water in this meta? In swsh I picked urshifu dark and I want to use water for this meta

[surreal scroll]

Noooot really, urshifu water hits so much of the meta for really good damage but dark I think is definitely a mon you can build arouns

[chrome sphinx]

Dark Urshifu is still perfectly usable, I tend to prefer it was a bit more of an immediate wallbreaker compared to R though. Its also got stronger priority and less worries about rocky helmet / garchomp so its easier to run other items on

both got in-GP analyses if you want to read them btw!

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/urshifu-s-gp-0-1.3724195/

[raw ferry]

thinking about bringing back an Abomasnow dual screens offense team

[north badger]

Oh sweet! Could I possibly build a hoodra team with urshifu dark?

Oddly specific question, I know

[surreal scroll]

https://pokepast.es/f5f0e954954ee199 hmmmm okay so I'm thinking this team doesnt need fluttermane because I've rarely used it in any battles.

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal scroll]

Like with chien pao sucker punch and aqua jet urshifu I'm thinking maybe something tankier or something built more for damage could help. Maybe like a scizor or somethin.

[surreal scroll]

Hello?

[chrome sphinx]

I'd consider running 28 Speed EVs on Zapdos. The Breloom match-up isnt great, and that won't entirely solve it but it at least means Zapdos outspeeds Adamant Breloom

[surreal scroll]

Yeah, actually maybe something like amoongus could replace fluttermane? Considering i dont really use it too often on this team. We got the flying, fire, and psychic resists to run amoongus too

Its also one of the only mons that outright walls banded/punchijg glove tera water urshifu other than cresellia

We still have good speed with chien pao and strong enough priority to keep flutter in check

[chrome sphinx]

yeah its pretty good! This would be an awkward pick because of Heatran, but Acid Armor Hisuian Goodra is neat about this too if you're willing to make the Urshifu match-up worse lol

[surreal scroll]

If its punching glove it cant 1v1 creselloa am if its banded zap takes half its health for attacking. So h goober could help

[chrome sphinx]

also this is gonna sound nuts, but a lot of people use Ice Punch over Ice Spinner to conceal their set. Now addmitly some players might go "hey that Ice Punch calc is sus" so its harder to pull off with Choice Band, but just a thought

at least for Scarf I usually still prefer Ice Punch because the calcs are close enough that it can get people to assume you're punching glove

for CB its more relevant for KOing something so they dont know your set

[surreal scroll]

I didnt understand why punching glove was going used over band, then I realized it completely ignores helmetm

But I still think banded is better because of protectm

[chrome sphinx]

yeah and BSS has been pretty obesssed with helmet all gen

well Protective Pads has that gimmick too

[surreal scroll]

Hmmm still deciding between h goodra and amoongus

Might go amoongus cuz goober doesnt want to swap into breloom

[chrome sphinx]

Protective Pads actually breaks through Protect which is super cool

[surreal scroll]

Sounds deadly with sd

[chrome sphinx]

like Id even argue that on SD Urhsifu Protective Pads is much closer to Punching Gloves than you'd think

[surreal scroll]

Honestly I'd think its better. You get more damage overall while keeping the unseeing fist. Which to me is better than more immediate damage but having no ability

Okay does amoongus run black sludge or like sitrus berry in gen 9 bss

Okay sap sipper goodra could be good against breloom but it seems like it'd still get banged up by adamant

[chrome sphinx]

depends on the tera type, Black Sludge is usually only seen on Tera Poison. Though its most common item is actually Eject Pack, not joking lol

they use it with Leaf Storm as a one time pivot move

helps that a lot of mons like Tera Water atm which Amoonguss can take advantage of

[surreal scroll]

I know, maybe eject pack would be best with zaps volt switch.