#BSS Rates

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latent grove
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I’m looking at the list, and I don’t think any mon allowed in BSS can ohko with a neutral hit

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If I don’t go with flutter mane, maybe I can use skeledirge with a mental herb

stone holly
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wait you trying to one shot ape ?

latent grove
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Yeah

stone holly
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thing is with tera existing not much can do that. ape is fairly naturally bulky
only things that are gonna one shot it are things that setup prior (swords dance, nasty plot etc)

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or are under a weather

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like band floatzel wave crash under rain

latent grove
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Yeah…

stone holly
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its best just to worry about preventing it from getting going honestly

latent grove
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Or maybe I could replace Palafin with a set up sweeper

visual wolf
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Most sets are powerless to burn or toxic

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So outspeed and status

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Once again though it really depends on Tera

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You can’t really counter ape yet

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Well for now as horo is easily the best counter to it in the game

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But it’s illegal

latent grove
dusty heraldBOT
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visual wolf
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So issue is Rotom wash and ape

latent grove
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Mainly with ape, I’m trying to figure out the ev spread

visual wolf
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Well the main thing is ape has no real counters lmao

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For now

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But until zoro-h is legal it has no real counters

latent grove
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But scarfed rotom is a really good check, no?

visual wolf
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But you have to outspeed

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So don’t use Rotom unless it benefits you

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OH

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IMDEEDEE

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INDEEDEE

latent grove
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Indeedee?

visual wolf
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Wait

latent grove
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Psychic terrain?

tired folio
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Maybe wait for derpy?

latent grove
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Wait, indeedee?

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You might be into something

visual wolf
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Shit nvm it’s outspeed and taunted

latent grove
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Immune to rage fist, and takes neutral damage from drain punch

visual wolf
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You could run scarf over specs though

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But I don’t advise giving ape speed control

latent grove
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What are the damage calcs?

visual wolf
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Here’s the set though

Indeedee-F (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Psychic Surge
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 112 Def / 140 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Psychic
  • Draining Kiss
  • Shadow Ball
  • Trick
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If doesn’t have expanding force though 🥺

latent grove
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Expanding force has to do at least 70% to ape

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Wait

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What’s deedee’s base spa?

visual wolf
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This set uses indeedee female though bc it’s bulkier

latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
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Fuck

visual wolf
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Psychic is still boosted though

latent grove
visual wolf
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@latent grove I think I found your perfect counter look at this shit

0 Atk Annihilape Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 112 Def Indeedee: 124-147 (47.5 - 56.3%) -- 84% chance to 2HKO

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And in return indeedee almost OHKOS with psychic

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It doesn’t seem to be the sturdiest but I think this is gonna be the closest you get

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But like you said you can get rid of speed and put it in spatk or def

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And this is kinda a win con bc if it taunts it dies to a specs attack and if it doesn’t it gets tricked

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So i think I found your annilape check

latent grove
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How much def would I need to make drain punch a guaranteed 3hko?

burnt glade
latent grove
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Also, I want derpy to verify, this seems really important

latent grove
# visual wolf

Also, does the 77 - 91% take into account a neutral hit?

visual wolf
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@latent grove after a little more fine tuning I think i found the best set

Psychic does 88-99.1% dmg and drain punch is a garunteed 3 hit KO

Indeedee-F (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Psychic Surge
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 84 HP / 168 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Psychic
  • Draining Kiss
  • Shadow Ball
  • Trick
visual wolf
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Probably not

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Maybe 77 is netural and higher is SE

latent grove
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Because most likely the annihilape will tera

latent grove
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Did you set the annihilape to Tera fire / water?

visual wolf
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Weehhh

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It’s a 3 hit KO on netural

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🥺

latent grove
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

visual wolf
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😭

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Wait lemme give this same spread to male

latent grove
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I thought we were onto something

latent grove
visual wolf
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Omg I’m a fucking idiot this entire time the calc has been using males stat spread but females EV spread 😭😭😭😭

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Yeah indeedee ain’t it

latent grove
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Damn

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Rotom is probably the best “check” then

visual wolf
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Oh farifarig

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You wanna check that out or just use Rotom

latent grove
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:KEKWAIT:

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The giraffe has 110 base spa?

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And 120 base hp?

latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
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I doubt this is it, 95 base spa in psychic terrain is way better than 110 spa without

visual wolf
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@latent grove I found yo man

latent grove
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Wait wut

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The giraffe works?

visual wolf
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Super effective hit

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Ape 4 hit KOs (and if your ancy you can reflect to make it a 7 hit KO

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And neutral damage out damages drain punch recovery

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Here’s giraffe

Farigiraf @ Choice Specs
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Psychic
  • Hyper Voice
  • Reflect
  • Trick
latent grove
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That’s kind of hard to believe, are you sure the calcs are accurate?

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@visual wolf is psychic terrain active or deactive?

visual wolf
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Yeah I ran them and if you don’t believe you can re run them yourself I’m 99% sure this is all true

visual wolf
latent grove
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I’m gonna double check

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Give me the lesser part of 30 minutes, I suck at calcing and I’m using a phone

visual wolf
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I also used a phone 💀

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Ok ping me when you’re done

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If this shits legit I may have made a niche breakthrough for the mid giraffe

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The only real issue I see is of ape is Tera steel but if you’re worried about that you can replace reflect or hyper voice with earthquake

prisma elbow
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somewhat notable detail that is often overlooked but when calcing for BSS (or VGC) be careful about calcing at level 100 bc damage calcs actually change slightly between level 50 and 100

visual wolf
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Oh doom

prisma elbow
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generally speaking, attacks are slightly stronger at level 50

visual wolf
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Is it insanely different or slightly

latent grove
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This is psychic, I’m about to test drain punch

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prisma elbow
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it's not a massive difference but the difference does mean that something calced to survive something at level 100 will not be guaranteed to survive that hit at level 50

latent grove
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This is drain punch

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@prisma elbow can you confirm my calcs? Does it look good?

visual wolf
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Oh yeah I didn’t calc adamant worrywhirl

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Still though this is huge and basically what you wanted

latent grove
visual wolf
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And if they do try to drain punch you set up reflect

latent grove
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And also, these calcs don’t take into account any boosts from bulk up before hand

visual wolf
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But trick can ruin that

latent grove
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True

visual wolf
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It’s gimmicky but I definitely think this is the best you’ll have until horo is legal

prisma elbow
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yeah that calc looks reasonable to me

visual wolf
latent grove
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I think if played correctly, this giraffe could beat certain ape sets

visual wolf
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I made something competitively relevant

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I’m actually gonna try out the fruits of my labor now to see how it does outside Spe match ups bc I don’t really run into ape

latent grove
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we need to test this

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This could be big

visual wolf
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@latent grove it’s late for me so I’m not gonna test yet but give me feedback if it helps

latent grove
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Or, it would be big, if horo never gets released into BSS

visual wolf
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But probably not until DLC which is fall

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So this is a nice substitute until then

visual wolf
latent grove
visual wolf
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@latent grove played a game Vs ape, it kinda worked but struggled against other Pokémon like kingambit

latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
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Hp

visual wolf
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You have any luck with it or have you not used it yet

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Bc I’m thinking on replacing hyper voice with dazzling gleam

latent grove
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I have a question about magnezone

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Do I need to outspeed min speed corviknight?

visual wolf
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And it depends on set

latent grove
visual wolf
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Your only concern from corv is body press but I don’t think that will ever 2 hit KO

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No not 2 hit KO OHKO I meant OHKO

latent grove
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Even with iron defense/bulk up?

visual wolf
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So yeah in that case it’s relevant to outspeed

latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
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Ohh yeah, I forgot I can’t use double items

visual wolf
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Yeah

latent grove
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Life orb magneton?

visual wolf
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You could substitute specs for life orb (unless it’s a dupe item) or expert belt

visual wolf
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Lemme see if you absolutely have to run it

latent grove
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Expert belt or magnet would probably be better than life orb

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Since life orb hp drain cuts away at my bulk

visual wolf
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Ok @latent grove iron def B press only runs 4 speed EVs and a impish nature you only need to run a few extra speed EVs on zone

latent grove
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What item that isn’t specs could I put on zone?

visual wolf
visual wolf
latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
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I could

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I’ll try that

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Which do you think would be better?

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Ebelt or magnet?

visual wolf
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Belt easily

latent grove
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Bet

visual wolf
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I believe it has a higher boost than magnet

latent grove
visual wolf
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But the draw is you only get that boost on SE hits while magnets boost is always active

visual wolf
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So would you rather have a permanent boost but only on eletric stab or a boost when you land a SE with any move

latent grove
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Hmm

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That really depends on the team I’m facing

visual wolf
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Personally from that description I would go magnet

latent grove
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You would?

visual wolf
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Since 9/10 you’re clicking volt or thunderbolt anyways

latent grove
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That is true

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Ok, I’ll do that

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Does corv usually run a minus speed nature?

visual wolf
latent grove
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Ok

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So 252 spa, and 60 spe

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Do I put the rest in hp or def?

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I’ll do hp

chrome sphinx
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Id say the vast majority of BSS analyses atm ahve good EV spreads. Main issue rn is figuring out Flutter Mane ones cuz a lot of "bulky" Flutter Manes were in high rated teams last season

latent grove
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Thanks!

visual wolf
chrome sphinx
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I do know Mr.Kai was memeing with Farigariaf recently tho lol

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cuz Twin Beam does have a really funny trick

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it owns Iron Valiant and Glimmora LOL

visual wolf
chrome sphinx
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I def wouldnt use Garafarig for Annihilape and Im skeptical of it as a mon, but Twin Beam might have some merit because destroying Sash Valiant and Glimmora does sound appealing lol

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yeah it is, its just "fuck u sashes"

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probably technically owns Breloom too but Breloom is faster so that's an issue

visual wolf
chrome sphinx
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lemme check

visual wolf
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And fart has sap sipper so it doesn’t care about spore

chrome sphinx
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252+ SpA Farigiraf Twin Beam (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Breloom: 204-244 (150 - 179.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

visual wolf
chrome sphinx
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oh it does still get sap sipper LOL, forgot about that

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wasnt sure if cud chew replaced that or not

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yeah Breloom isnt gonna OHKO Farigariaf lmao

visual wolf
chrome sphinx
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like idk yet if Farigariaf is actually any good, never seen one in action

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but Twin Beam would be a reason to use it imo

latent grove
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I didn’t calc twin beam vs annihilape

visual wolf
latent grove
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I guess it is just 10 bp lower

chrome sphinx
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252+ SpA Choice Specs Farigiraf Twin Beam (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Annihilape: 160-192 (73.7 - 88.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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thats still gonna be an issue especially since Ape has ways to mess with you

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like if it teras you're gonna be in a bad place

visual wolf
chrome sphinx
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the BU one often has SpD investment!

latent grove
chrome sphinx
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notice two of the three EV spreads for BU are SpD!

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and the SR set often has a lot of bulk investment too

visual wolf
chrome sphinx
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hmm that reminds me I think I need to add an EV spread for lead apes that outspeed Dragonite, def been seeing that on Light Ball Ape lately, its been an issue for me lol

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yes, thats the first spread!

latent grove
chrome sphinx
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remember BSS analyses often have multiple EV spreads

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the nature of 3v3 means you got a lot of EV diversity

latent grove
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Look below the first one

chrome sphinx
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but yeah thanks for reminding me in a roundabout way, gotta add a faster SR ape spread lol

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o wait nvm I forgot the Jolly one is literally the one designed for that lol

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Im starting to suspect a lot more people are using our analyses than last gen lol

latent grove
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I probably shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up, this IS farigiraf after all

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And it does do very poorly against kingambit

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This is also kind of a “fuck me I was too late” moment, since horoark is gonna get released into BSS eventually soon

visual wolf
chrome sphinx
# visual wolf I don’t know when it will be

it would be July at the earliest, but maybe even later. We got the ruleset for the next series already, Regulation 3. Its the same thing as the current one except the treasures of ruin are allowed

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lasts from April 1st to June 30th

visual wolf
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I wonder how stupid Chen pao and chi yu will be

latent grove
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Yeah I double checked the calcs

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It ain’t lookin too good

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Psychic has a 16% chance to 2hko after lefties

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Forget it if it’s sitrus

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And the entire plan falls apart if it’s taunt

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I guess twin beam would be better, since it has a higher chance to crit… haha…

stone holly
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Honestly ting lu is one of the three those im the most worried about lol
Im worried about ting lu more than chi yu honestly

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But yeah like said its better to not get deadset on the idea of one shotting ape
Just play around it smart

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Even outspeeding it and 2 shotting ape is fine. It lacks prio and even with just one hit for rage fist unless its something super physically or the ape is all setup its not gonna ko it back since ape doesnt run atk investment and its attack isnt super high

latent grove
chrome sphinx
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I mean at the very least I would not use giraffe for Annihilape

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like despite being skeptical of it, if I were to use it, it'd be because of the sash Pokemon it owns, and maybe because of either Trick or setting up Trick Room. a Trick Room mon thats immune to Spore is basically only shared by... Hatterene, another fairly niche mon

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hmm actually there is a calc Im interested in as well

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hmm a bit unforutnate that this requires a boosting item but

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252+ SpA Life Orb Farigiraf Twin Beam (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Iron Bundle: 132-156 (100.7 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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this is interesting tbh

latent grove
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It actually started with indeedee, but Toasty and I ran the calcs and that dream died pretty fast

chrome sphinx
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yeah if you want to OHKO Annihilape you need a really strong SE STAB

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think like, Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast or CB Dragonite Tera Blast

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(Sharp Beak has a decent shot of OHKOing a lot of ape too but it depends, and its risky against leads)

latent grove
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Well getting a SE hit on ape is easier said than done

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Tera fire variants will just laugh at moonblast

chrome sphinx
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yeah exactly. Its like Toasy said Annihilape is just one of those mons where you beat it by being intune with the flow of the battle

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ape is super dangerous but its not unbeatable, it cant do everything at once

latent grove
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So it’s just a skill issue…

chrome sphinx
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even whenever Hisuian Zoroark comes out, Annihilape in BSS running stuff outside of their STABs isnt unheard of

latent grove
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I did manage to one shot an ape with CB Palafin wave crash

chrome sphinx
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yeah that sounds about right lol

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really fast powerful physical mons can prevent ape from setting up

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Taunt BU Palafin can also really mess up ape

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though it has to watch out for Final Gambit ones and Fling Light Ball ones

latent grove
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Fling light ball? That’s a set? Lmao

chrome sphinx
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oh there IS actually something though that Ape REALLY hates

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yes lol

latent grove
chrome sphinx
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check the 2nd set

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yeah, Toxic Spikes

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if Annihilape gets toxic poisoned it gets worn down and cant rely on Rage Fist boosting up its power as much

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note ape being paired with stuff like Iron Moth is not unheard of specfically for that

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and Tera Poison Annihilape is a thing too

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random mental herb stuff can mess with it too

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like Toxapex for example isnt that common atm, but a lot of Toxapex do run Mental Herb specfically to cripple mons like Annihilape

latent grove
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I was gonna say Clodsire

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But yeah pex as well

latent grove
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Actually, I’m surprised at how vast ape’s movepool is

chrome sphinx
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well it might harm BU Ape a lot depending how popular zoroark ends up being

latent grove
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I guess it makes sense since it evolves from a gen 1 mon

chrome sphinx
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but like I said its more than just BU in bss

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Scarf and SR Ape are no joke

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stealth rock ape in particular can be uncannily unpredictable

latent grove
visual wolf
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Anyways you’re words on farafirig wanted me to make a bss tr team but idk where to start

latent grove
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Uhh farigiraf

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And uhh

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Choice specs Torkoal with eruption

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Throw on Tera fire, too

stone holly
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Decent as a bp target as well

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I almost got clapped by one the other day lol

latent grove
stone holly
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Baton pass. as in something to feed all the stats to after you get the stat boosts rolling

latent grove
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Ohh baton pass

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Right

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You see a good amount of that in BSS

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Unfortunately

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Nothing you can do about that tho

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Unless you have like roar or perish song

chrome sphinx
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tbh TR is pretty rare in BSS atm so Im not sure where to start

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but idk about Torkoal because

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Torkoal can enable opposing paradoxes. Like Torkoal itself is viable for sure

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but its a very double edged sword

latent grove
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Which paradox mon can live a full power Torkoal eruption and ohko in return?

visual wolf
latent grove
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There are far more possibilities in BSS than there are in OU

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One day you could be fighting against a chlorophyll lilligant with Torkoal support

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Another day you might find yourself face to face with a baton pass quaquaval

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Or you could just get 3 - 0’d by annihilape or magnezone

visual wolf
dusty heraldBOT
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latent grove
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Wait, does scarfed timid rotom wash need no speed investment to outspeed annihilape?

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Oh shit, I don’t even think I need to be timid

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I can just run full bulk

stone holly
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I so rarely see scarf washtom these days
The bulk are specs now

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33% specs
16% scarf based on home data i just checked

latent grove
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I’m currently cooking up a baton pass team involving espathra, scizor, and gholdengo

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I thought since gholdengo prevents stuff like roar and perish song he would have good synergy

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And with Tera fairy or substitute he prevents dragon tail from garchomp

dusty heraldBOT
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latent grove
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Thoughts so far?

brazen bay
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Crash > Sp on esp if you’re bping

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also use a tera that blocks one of the common priority moves instead of an offensive one

latent grove
brazen bay
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don’t use pass on scizor either, just use u turn

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On espathra

latent grove
brazen bay
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why tho just sub and then pass out

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Sucker punch is gonna fail

latent grove
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True, I am faster

brazen bay
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And gambit is slow as shit

latent grove
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So Tera normal on espathra?

brazen bay
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ghost imo, espeed is way more common bc Dnite > Mimikyu

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also you might wanna invest some speed

latent grove
latent grove
brazen bay
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Pult/Meow at +1 is a good benchmark

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Meow especially since it has taunt

latent grove
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Alright

brazen bay
latent grove
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Should I replace scizor?

brazen bay
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Nah Sciz is fine but I think bp is bad on it

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Use u turn

latent grove
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Oki

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What is this team weak against? Who should my other teammates be?

brazen bay
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I dunno tbh I don’t use bp stuff

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Generally you’ll want something for the unawares

latent grove
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Something like, hmm…

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I don’t really want to use magnezone again

latent grove
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I could give it encore, lum berry, or booster energy

brazen bay
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Ehhh

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Bundle handles then well enough imo

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Valiant is not much of a stallbreaker

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It’s more anti offense

latent grove
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Iron bundle gets taunt?

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Didn’t know that

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He’s probably the fastest taunter in the game

brazen bay
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Encore is better

latent grove
brazen bay
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Sub encore hydro freeze dry

latent grove
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Got it!

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How weak is my team to magnezone?

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Should I slot in something like Tera blast grass dugtrio?

brazen bay
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Dnite with eq gets the job done

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Every team should realistically have Dnite too

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It’s easily the best mon in BSS

latent grove
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I did everything you suggested except the speed on espathra

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I’ll do that later

latent grove
latent grove
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Maybe instead of Espeon I should use perish song or roar, so I can beat other baton pass teams

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Flutter mane would be good for that since it kills gholdengo

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What about this?

dusty heraldBOT
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latent grove
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Sorry derpy, ignore that

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Maybe I should replace lumina crash with calm mind?

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After a protect I’m faster than than all the taunt users

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I just realized, infiltrator dragapult

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Good thing it doesn’t learn taunt

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I could also probably give liechi berry to espathra and leftovers to mane

latent grove
dusty heraldBOT
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latent grove
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What usually happens is I bring espathra, and when everyone else dies the ostrich is the only one left

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I guess that’s what happens when your entire team revolves around it

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I could probably give max speed to gholdengo so he isn’t completely reliant on speed passing

visual wolf
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On top of that you’re teammates need more threatening boosting moves

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Most of these are perfectly fine but I recommend running CM flutter mane

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And maybe not use iron bundle

visual wolf
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You could honestly run annilape but then you’ll only have two special attacker

latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
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Like who?

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Iron valiant?

latent grove
visual wolf
visual wolf
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Wait ohhh nvm I understand now

latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
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I was going to put encore on valiant

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Is that a good idea?

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Eh, encore doesn’t really fit on the set

visual wolf
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Doesn’t fit your team structure

latent grove
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Alternatively I could use power gem against sun

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But mystic fire is probably better

latent grove
dusty heraldBOT
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chrome sphinx
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also does Magneton actually get any appealing calcs over AV Magnezone

latent grove
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But you’re right, zone has higher defenses especially with av

latent grove
visual wolf
burnt glade
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With investment

chrome sphinx
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I would say that investment is worth it often times

latent grove
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Ez fix

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Much better

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Wait why is it a 3hko? I just played a game and Tera steel choice band bullet punch was a 2hko

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median moth
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you forgot to add technician

latent grove
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O

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Of course

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Well without Tera steel I guarantee I’m not 2hkoing moth

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But I need Tera fire to go up against moth

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So how about this

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latent grove
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I replace garg with skeledirge

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Oh whoops, forgot to give thief back to scizor

chrome sphinx
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I'd consider Ice Beam or Chilling Water over Sludge Bomb, this way you aren't totally passive against Dragonite

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I'd run Wisp > Earth Power on Skeledirge too, so that you don't totally tank against CB Dragonite. I mean that'll 2HKO Skeledirge so I wouldnt call it a check, but burning it could save your butt

latent grove
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But checking dragonite is probably more important

latent grove
chrome sphinx
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I mean yeah to be clear Iron Moth is NO joke, I just wouldnt run 3 attacks personally

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well be careful, Sub BU Palafin can be a huge issue

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if you see Palafin with stuff that sets up Tspikes like Glimmora, Meowscarada, Iron Moth, Clodsire, etc, be very wary

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you'll have to tera water your Skeledirge to handle that, and Skeledirge does not always do that hot vs Taunt BU either

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you'll be able to chunk it but if you dont tera Skeledirge WILL go down

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cuz it'll get like 3HKOed by Jet Punch and you cant wisp it

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I think a smart idea would be to use Tera Water Magnezone

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its not like a perfect Palafin check by any means

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but you can at least force the BU ones to Tera, and Tera Water can save Magnezone against CB Wave Crash (it will still do crazy damage tho)

latent grove
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So if I keep earth power on dirge I will need to Tera water my zone?

latent grove
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Oh yeah, @chrome sphinx how does this team deal with the ruins? (When they eventually get released)

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I think it’s like March 31st that they’ll be allowed?

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I ask this because I like building my team in game, but if this team would struggle against something like chi you or ting lu I wouldn’t want to build it

chrome sphinx
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April 1st so yeah you're close! you are def gonna want Tera Water Magnezone then lol, could position yourself well to revenge Chi-Yu

latent grove
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Would replacing shadow ball with earth power be viable?

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Torch song
Earth power
Slack off
Will o wisp

chrome sphinx
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Yeah it probably is

latent grove
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I just hope gf never allows Ubers like Miraidon and Koraidon in BSS, because my miraidon is only built for raids

chrome sphinx
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oh it will likely happen at some point, they already have a ruleset built in that allows them

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so get prepared

latent grove
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Well that won’t happen for a while, so I have plenty of time to prepare and have fun with the current meta game

stone holly
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yeah probably wont be till like mid next year maybe ?

latent grove
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Who would be a good check to miraidon?

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specs iron bundle would probably be a good revenge killer

stone holly
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Honestly better to worry about that when the other new mons, potential new dlc moves and other old mons return when its actually allowed online

latent grove
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True

latent grove
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@brazen bay I’d like to know what you think of the team, before I build it in game

IMG_3204.png IMG_3205.png
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Mainly with the ev spreads, since those take the most resources to fix

brazen bay
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I’d give bundle booster personally

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also tera ghost is mainly useful for punishing stuff like drain punch and espeed with encore, otherwise I’d go for tera ice or water for damage

latent grove
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Hmmm

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I wish you didn’t say that

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I already used the crystals lol

brazen bay
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and I’d note flip turn is really only super useful on choice sets, sub is much better

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For non choice

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Dnite probably wants outrage over fire punch

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You’ve already got skele to handle corv

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And outrage’s extra muscle can really come in handy

latent grove
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Alright, everyone else look good?

brazen bay
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Yeah

latent grove
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So if I’m Tera ghost on bundle I’ll want encore?

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And sub

brazen bay
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You want encore in general

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It’s such a good move

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Oh for zone

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Don’t go magnet pull

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Go analytic

latent grove
#

Oki

brazen bay
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Gholdengo is the most common steel type and you can’t even trap it bc it’s part ghost

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Analytic is far more consistent

latent grove
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Ahh that makes sense

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The evs are good, right?

brazen bay
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Yeah they look fairly standard

latent grove
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Alright that’s good

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I’m running low on specific ev berries so I wanted to know

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brazen bay
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No

latent grove
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No go?

brazen bay
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It’s too frail

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and chien Pao beats it anyway

latent grove
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Yeah…

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Oh well, back to cooking

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Oh wait, I’d just be better off using breloom or scizor

latent grove
latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
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Regulation C to be exact

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I’m preparing for the ruin meta game

visual wolf
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This team ass

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I see you’re trying to go hyper offensive but the sets are wack as hell

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I also dont think you should choice lock the ruin mons if you’re running shed tail

latent grove
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What else would you change on this team?

visual wolf
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On gholdengo

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Also just do not the dragapult

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The sets major cheeks

latent grove
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Yeah I guess that makes sense, shed tail AND screens are a bit overkill

visual wolf
latent grove
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I also had another team that was the same with Indeedee over gholdengo

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To protect the ruins from priority

latent grove
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Please don’t tell me I made it worse somehow

visual wolf
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Besides that have SD on chien pao

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And breloom

latent grove
burnt glade
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??

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what

visual wolf
burnt glade
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imo first team looked more standardized

latent grove
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Man, I’d like to get derpy in here but I feel like I’ve been annoying them a lot

burnt glade
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Idk about boots cyclizar in chien-pao

latent grove
latent grove
visual wolf
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probably garg

burnt glade
latent grove
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Though I do have 4 fighting weak mons now

burnt glade
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What happened here

latent grove
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What happened is I’m still not good at team building

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Maybe I should just ping derpy

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@brazen bay I am once again asking for your financial team building support

burnt glade
latent grove
burnt glade
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Pult isn’t even the best screens

latent grove
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True, but Grimm does not match up well against the ruins

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I could do Grimm with hammer arm maybe?

burnt glade
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And pult does

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Also scream tail

latent grove
burnt glade
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Another question is why screens and cyclizar

latent grove
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Let me try this…

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latent grove
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Whoops, it’s been 6 hours already?

visual wolf
burnt glade
latent grove
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That severely limits my move options tho

visual wolf
latent grove
visual wolf
burnt glade
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Just wait for derp please

latent grove
# visual wolf replace hammer arm with spirit break

140+ Atk Grimmsnarl Hammer Arm vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chi-Yu: 130-154 (100 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (130, 132, 132, 134, 136, 138, 140, 140, 142, 144, 146, 146, 148, 150, 152, 154)

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This is what I was going for

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But it cuts into my bulk more severely than I thought

visual wolf
latent grove
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It probably wouldn’t work tho, the surprise factor is there, but if chi-yu overheats I’m dead

visual wolf
latent grove
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The idea was that chi-yu would most likely nasty plot against grimm to negate light screen, but if the chi-yu is choiced that plan doesn’t work

latent grove
visual wolf
latent grove
visual wolf
burnt glade
visual wolf
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if you get really desperate av max spdef houndoom could be an option but it probably wouldnt work

visual wolf
burnt glade
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bss wc is pretty high ngl

latent grove
burnt glade
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also derp does

visual wolf
burnt glade
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And do you?

visual wolf
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i dont see the issue though youre just being an ass rn

latent grove
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Please stop fighting

brazen bay
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rarre has my approval

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I’m helping them play for BSS wc and they are doing very well

burnt glade
brazen bay
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it’s my set*

burnt glade
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Real enough

brazen bay
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though screens Grimm should be using either spirit break or foul play in the last slot

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Not hammer arm

latent grove
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Even though it’s a guaranteed ohko against chi-yu?

brazen bay
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Spirit break will do decent enough damage and lowers spa, so even if it Teras to live (most will, seeing as t fire is massive damage) you still open up more options to handle it

visual wolf
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@burnt glade apologies av don is actually really good against chi yu 💀

brazen bay
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av dozo is very good

burnt glade
#

Can I stop getting 50 pings

latent grove
brazen bay
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@burnt glade

visual wolf
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no alomotrolla

brazen bay
burnt glade
brazen bay
visual wolf
brazen bay
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T fire overheat

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Breaks anything

latent grove
brazen bay
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Specs is the way to go trust

latent grove
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Bet

brazen bay
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this set goes hard

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visual wolf
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whats with laval plume over flamethrower

brazen bay
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burn chance, I put this alongside bunch of setup mons

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Plume burn helps them set up

visual wolf
brazen bay
#

You can easily go with a stronger Fire stab

latent grove
brazen bay
#

Clod mostly

latent grove
#

Ahh

brazen bay
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Last move is really filler

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This set was made in super early sv

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And people were messing with clod and moth a lot

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So I put psychic on to hit them

latent grove
#

My biggest dilemma is the focus sash placement

brazen bay
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Pao can easily run band if you want sash elsewhere

latent grove
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Band pao, and sash loom

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Got it

brazen bay
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That sounds like a good combo

latent grove
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Sucker or shard on pao?

brazen bay
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Shard imo, less prediction reliant

latent grove
#

Oki

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Now I have 3 choice items

brazen bay
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You can also consider tera ice, honestly what tera is best for Pao is a tough choice for me

latent grove
#

Should I go nasty plot dengo to pair with lava plume?

brazen bay
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You can run scarf dengo with stabs trick and plot yeah

latent grove
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Ooh

brazen bay
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That’s my preferred set actually

latent grove
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Now this is a big challenge

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Spore or no spore?

brazen bay
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Breloom?

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I’d say always start with spore

latent grove
brazen bay
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If you find yourself not using it then you can experiment with dropping it

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But breloom’s biggest threat is always spore

latent grove
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Bullet seed, Mach punch, rock tomb, spore

brazen bay
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Try bulldoze over tomb

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It allows breloom to beat non scarf dengo

latent grove
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That’s true, and I already have avalanche on dozo for dnite

brazen bay
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close combat is also a good choice

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But I’d only do that if you have absolutely no need for tomb or bulldoze

latent grove
brazen bay
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Yeah speed control is dope

latent grove
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Ok, I think The team is almost complete

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Last look over

brazen bay
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Fissure > heavy slam on dozo

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Trust

latent grove
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I don’t want to trust you, but I think it’s in my best interest

brazen bay
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Fissure Bozo is funne

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Also I’d go t grass or t fairy

latent grove
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I’ll do fairy

brazen bay
latent grove
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Ok, I think we’re done here

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You’ve been such a great help to me derpy! Honestly you should just charge me for team building advice at this point lol

brazen bay
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I’ve considered doing tutoring but I’ve only been playing for a couple years

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lmao

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  • I just really enjoy BSS and I would rather help people who want to give it a shot and grow the community than make a few extra bucks
latent grove
brazen bay
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anyway I feel like streaming so I’m probably gonna go get ready for a stream. It’s been a minute since I streamed BSS lol

latent grove
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Oh cool, can I watch?

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I need something to watch while I masuda hunt

burnt glade
brazen bay
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Yeah my channel is linked to my discord profile

latent grove
brazen bay
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yt

latent grove
#

Oki

brazen bay
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Too lazy to set up for twitch

latent grove
#

So I’ve noticed that my team is very weak to iron moth, especially if it Tera’s grass

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Would I be able to swap magnezone with skeledirge?

IMG_3216.png
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The main problem I see if I do this is dondozo kind of sits on me unless I bring rotom and trick

latent grove
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@chrome sphinx could I pick your brain for a moment? All I need to know is if replacing magnezone for skeledirge is a good idea to deal with Tera grass iron moth

chrome sphinx
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I mean you could but if I were to do that I'd consider Covert Cloak so Acid Spray Moth doesn't break through you

latent grove
chrome sphinx
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I'd consider either wisp over tera blast on skeledirge or running Ice Spinner over Rapid Spin on Great Tusk too. Im worried your Great Tusk is gonna be a vector for a Dragonite sweep currently

latent grove
chrome sphinx
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if Tspikes are an issue Tera Poison Annhilape can make sense, its already a great tera on it, and it just so happens there's a wild Tera Poison Primeape so its easy to get

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then I'd run wisp on Skeledirge

latent grove
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Tera fairy was for Dragapult, but I guess kingambit deals with that well enough

chrome sphinx
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you might want to consider Vital Spirit on Annihilape too, idk what you do against Breloom. Not every team needs to prepare for it but I think that looks really tough for your team atm

latent grove
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If I do vital spirit ape, I have a bad matchup against intimidate spam

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Kingambit loses to arcanine

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Oh wait, skeledirge beats arcanine

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Nvm we good

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latent grove
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I think rapid spin > ice spinner makes more sense

brazen bay
latent grove
fresh mulch
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Is ting lu good for bss

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visual wolf
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It’s probably a fine lead

brazen bay
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Not allowed rn

fresh mulch
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Itd finally bring a decent check to ape with whirl wind, it doesnt like drain punch but getting rid of any boosts and eating most attacks I think is fine enough.

latent grove
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Tbh when ting Lu is released, annihilape isn’t who you should be worried about

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It’s chi yu and cheempao

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252 Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ting-Lu: 170-204 (64.8 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

fresh mulch
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Oh yeah

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Chi yu...thats gonna ruin the meta

latent grove
#

Also

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Annihilape gets taunt

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So it can’t be whirlwinded

fresh mulch
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I can see peeps running torkoal to just ignore spdef walls

fresh mulch
latent grove
#

Actually, let me calc something

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@fresh mulch 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 294-348 (81.2 - 96.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

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I know what team I’m using in regulation C

visual wolf
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At all

burnt glade
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no way he’s actually right wow

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Ape can just taunt it and doesn’t really care about its attacks after boosting

brazen bay
#

actually

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It could check ape

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it would force ape into revealing t flying if it is, thanks to having access to fissure

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and at the same time not all ape are taunt bulk up sets, and ting Lu actually would make a good check to any other set regardless of if you choose to run fissure

latent grove
#

Now that I’ve reached masters this season, I wanna start preparing for next season. I have a team in showdown with both chi-yu and chien-pao but I think chi-yu and sun would be a better combo. So I wanted to get this team ready for April 1st https://pokepast.es/5e0ade2e65284438

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latent grove
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@brazen bay could you help me once again?

brazen bay
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When I get home

latent grove
#

Oki

latent grove
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burnt glade
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Flutter mane:

latent grove
#

Yeah… that’s why scizor is there

burnt glade
#

Why is it dragmag when the mag isn’t trapping steels

latent grove
#

Should I go Tera fire on zone as well?

burnt glade
#

also stacking multiple dd users is usually not helping with your defensive core

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~~also dd spam without dnite wow ~~

latent grove
prisma elbow
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don't use magnet pull it sucks

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there's nothing to trap

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or rather, the steels that exist are not pokemon that magnezone can or wants to trap

latent grove
#

Oh yeah, gholdengo can’t even be trapped anyways

latent grove
#

@prisma elbow I need to get your approval to post on the RMT forum, right?

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Actually, I don’t think I do, I just reread the rules. Sorry for the ping

brazen bay
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No you don’t need approval to post on the forum

blazing kite
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latent grove
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I’m not as good as derpy and theory, but I think I can help you a little bit

latent grove
latent grove
burnt glade
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The iv set could most definitely be better

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What is dnite trying to do with mirror herb

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Lum is more reliable

latent grove
latent grove
burnt glade
#

Hands is ok ig (missing 4 Evs lmao)

latent grove
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Tera ghost to become immune to opposing dragonite extreme speed and mirror herb to steal their dragon dance

burnt glade
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Pult is fine

latent grove
#

Wait

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Iron valiant doesn’t have moonblast

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What

burnt glade
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It does

latent grove
#

Unless I’m blind there’s no moonblast

burnt glade
#

On his set yes there is no Moonblast

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Bug buzz on moth doesn’t really accomplish anything of note

latent grove
burnt glade
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Especially when you already have gleam for roaring moon

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Energy ball is a good option for waters and Garg

latent grove
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I’ll leave this to you rarre, you know more than me

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But yeah that dragonite set has to change lol

slate wedge
slate wedge
latent grove
#

That’s what I thought

slate wedge
burnt glade
latent grove
#

But there are better ways to deal with dragonite, like ice spinner and low kick

slate wedge
#

which pokemon?

latent grove
burnt glade
#

If you really need it go low kick over outrage and Tera normal

slate wedge
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Okay okay

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Thanks you!!

burnt glade
#

Also lum on dnite

latent grove
#

Hdb is also a good option

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But I prefer lum

slate wedge
#

iron val is an experiment

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what object would you put?

latent grove
slate wedge
#

Yes

latent grove
#

Focus sash is fine

burnt glade
#

set has no direction

slate wedge
#

change energy ball for shadow ball?

burnt glade
#

suggest maybe go with the mixed booster set

slate wedge
#

and bug buzz for energy ball?

burnt glade
#

You could maybe use something like this

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

  • Moonblast
  • Shadow Ball
  • Close Combat
  • Psyshock / Thunderbolt
slate wedge
#

Booster energy will affect a SpA? Or Spe?

latent grove
#

Speed

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Naive is +speed -special defense

slate wedge
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thank you!

latent grove
#

I realized I may have confused things with my limited knowledge, listen to rarre they know more than me

slate wedge
#

I went back to university recently, on vacation I was very addicted

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Hahaha

visual wolf
burnt glade
#

Bad

brazen bay
#

It’s not bad per sey but I don’t recommend it generally

visual wolf
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OH it’s a mirror herb

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I thought it would be more mirror like

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Than just being a leaf

chrome sphinx
#

Mirror Herb Garchomp used to be a big deal but its fallen off quite a bit

fiery thistle
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brazen bay
#

Please read the rules of the format and make sure your team is at the very least legal before posting it here.

lethal ginkgo
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latent grove
lethal ginkgo
latent grove
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Hmm

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I don’t really see anything wrong with this team

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Have you tested it already?

latent grove
#

If you want a ghost type specs attacker I think dragapult does it better

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It has 30 spa lower than gar but has a much higher speed stat, draco meteor, and can go through sub and screens

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Something like this would probably do you better

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Oh yeah and

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Coalossal is bad

burnt glade
latent grove
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Oh yeah

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Flutter would probably be better

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Actually

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Replace coalossal with Torkoal if you want willo AND rocks

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And replace Gengar with flutter mane

burnt glade
latent grove
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Am I wrong?

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Torkoal sets up rocks AND sun, so mane can go to town

burnt glade
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I can’t really see why you’d want rocks and wisp specifically

latent grove
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Yeah me neither, but that’s what they had on their set

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But yawn would probably be better than willo

burnt glade
latent grove
#

Yeah the expert belt kinda threw me off

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Blackglasses would probably be better

fresh mulch
#

wouldn black glasses or lefties be better

burnt glade
#

Ice spinner over knock on great tusk for dnite

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Foul play over tect on rotom for bax

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Tera fairy or something not electric

latent grove
#

Wouldn’t Tera steel be better on tom?

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Or fairy ig

burnt glade
#

That’s an option too

latent grove
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I think I like steel better

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Resists ice normal and dragon

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Plus levitate

brazen bay
#

Tusk set is fine imo. Spinner is an option but tbh Dnite doesn’t really care about unstab ice moves + it usually Tera’s anyway

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Gambit should be black glasses or life orb

lethal ginkgo
burnt glade
lethal ginkgo
brazen bay
#

Volc doesn’t really need boots in BSS, since not a lot of teams use rocks super effectively in BSS.

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Swap gengar for fmane if you wanna use specs

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It literally just does everything you’d want specs gar to do but better

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Foul play > protect on Rotom

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Drop coal

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It’s bad

lethal ginkgo
latent grove
brazen bay
#

Yes I’m aware, I use volc a good bit myself. There’s a lot of encore users though and that makes rocks setters quite a bit more of a liability in BSS, since giving a free turn to something like iron bundle or flutter mane is absolutely not a thing you want to do

latent grove
#

Sitrus would probably be better

lethal ginkgo
burnt glade
#

Change the gambit ev spread

latent grove
#

To what? I just assumed they wanted something specific

brazen bay
#

That gambit spread is actually fine

latent grove
#

Would max atk max spd be better?

brazen bay
#

I think bulky gambit is good

lethal ginkgo
latent grove
#

Rocks are still good

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Just not AS good

brazen bay
#

Yes but they’re correct, they’re not as necessary

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I barely use hazards on my teams and well

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They do just fine

lethal ginkgo
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I used that spread because I wanted him to be a little bit more bulkier and not really squishy, one good sword dance will compensate the EVs in attack and give me more survability I think

latent grove
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Wait derpy, wouldn’t they need to charge the hp on volc?

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So that sitrus procs on half hp?

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I don’t know the exact number

brazen bay
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just make sure hp is an even value

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Not that hard

latent grove
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But I think the hp needs the be even

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Yeah

burnt glade
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Just put the 4 Evs in spd

brazen bay
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Technically defense would be more optimal since you’re boosting SpDef but yeah

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Lol

latent grove
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Whoops

burnt glade
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I don’t personally believe in power gem flutter and still question torkoal

brazen bay
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Generally psyshock is better

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But koal is fine

latent grove
burnt glade
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The gambit spread isn’t optimal

latent grove
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Hmm

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I have to get back to work anyways

lethal ginkgo
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Will consider the gambit spread and try using more EVs on speed

latent grove
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I hope I at least helped a little

lethal ginkgo
burnt glade
brazen bay
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128 speed is what I usually go for

burnt glade
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EVs: 196 HP / 52 Atk / 12 Def / 116 SpD / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature

brazen bay
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sometimes I go as high as this

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burnt glade
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But yeah it needs to be an odd number after diving by 4

latent grove
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And I think that’s a solid team

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You should test it though, to see if it actually works

burnt glade
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Tera ground tusk?

latent grove
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Is Tera fighting better?

burnt glade
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Probably ok actually

latent grove
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Oh yeah

burnt glade
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although I’d think steel

latent grove
burnt glade
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Especially with the bundle existing

latent grove
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Oh yeah, and they have av

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Steel is probably better

burnt glade
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Also with the flutter mane iv and mimi mus

latent grove
lethal ginkgo
latent grove
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Hope you enjoy the team!

lethal ginkgo
latent grove
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This isn’t my team, it belongs to a buddy of mine who needed help. I don’t even know where to begin with this, so some help would be appreciated

https://pokepast.es/27393f58783c1469

dusty heraldBOT
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New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

lethal ginkgo
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I'd also consider Tera Fairy so you arent weak to other Fairy attacks

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you could do something like Air Balloon on Tinkaton so you can use a bulkier Leftovers Ceruledge. Obviously the new series just started so who knows what will ultimately be good, but I would personally use a ton of SpD investment if I were to use BU Edge right now

glossy prawn
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Hi ! I would appreciate it if you can rate/help me with this team. Got quite some success with it but there was time where it was clutch.
https://pokepast.es/f155603d5a4e81d8

What do you think ? 🙂

dusty heraldBOT
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New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

chrome sphinx
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but sometimes Sucker Punch can have reliability issues

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few things feel worse than say, losing to a Substitute Gholdengo because Sucker Punch is the only move that can hit it

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This is gonna sound nuts, but you might also want to try Tera Blast on Specs Chi-Yu. You might be wondering "Why Tera Fire Blast?!", but it works as a nice way to change your attacks while locked in, neat little trick!

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Psychic also works in that last slot too

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Fire Blast isnt a bad choice to be clear, Chi-Yu has a lot of options in that last slot

brazen bay
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I’ve been considering lava plume on scarf chi for the burn chance to double down against sash lead pao

chrome sphinx
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also to be clear while I an normally an accuracy > power kind of guy, Icicile Crash is the way to go on Sash Chien-Pao because of Rocky Helmet / Garchomp killing your sash if you use Ice Spinner

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o wait thats HDB...

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idk why I thought that was sash lol

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yeah you are probably gonna wanna change that item

brazen bay
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It should be sash

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Boots are meh

chrome sphinx
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yeah if you can get away with changing flutter mane's item, sash chien-pao is a good idea