#Old Gens OU

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 8] OU RMT @low jasper, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

undone dagger
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I'm quite happy with this team but if anyone has any suggestions they can say so

undone dagger
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This was for gen 4 OU sorry*

olive stag
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Anyone got a specs zone gen8 out team I could try out?

upper plume
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Yknow @undone dagger if you upload directly to pokepaste from Pokemon Showdown, you can have Chatot ping oipon instead of us having to do so manually

undone dagger
cobalt vigil
cobalt vigil
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If you use this, and share the link, it will activate a bot that will ping me/ qc team to help you

upper plume
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I was going to do that too lol

undone dagger
cobalt vigil
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great minds think alike lol

undone dagger
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Im thinking of dropping scizor

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Its dead weight like 60% of the time

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Does nothing but take a random attack and get 2HKOED

cobalt vigil
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heracross fits on bulky offense

limber stone
cobalt vigil
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typically you will see a scarf or ban variant

undone dagger
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Im seeing how he does with different styles of play.

cobalt vigil
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because it's not really fast, weak to priority and dies to recoil easily

undone dagger
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SD hera I like a lot

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But yeah

undone dagger
cobalt vigil
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no

upper plume
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is that not what you already have

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I'm more surprised that you added an Aero lead and never added a DD Nite or Gyara

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it's like you grabbed the butter off the shelf and instead of spreading it on toast you decided to spread it on your bed

lilac nova
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Can anyone tell me a good counter to swampert in gen 3 OU

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I know about hp grass and giga drain but which mon

upper plume
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And Suicune outside of sand

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wheat timber
karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

naive stump
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Clearly lacks of an actual winco since, like that, I dont think you can break smt like chansey for example

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CM tias can be good for that but it mesh pretty badly with the core of lando fini ferro since tias need more time to win than what fini lando can provide

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Maybe you can only keep CM tias + spikes ferro and turn it into a balance but it would require to rehaul the whole team

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Fini ferro lando is obviously a good core but it's weird to start with a defensive core imo

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naive stump
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Smt like this is a fine example of CM tias + spikes support

wheat timber
naive stump
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Np

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 5] OU RMT @worldly walrus, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

upper plume
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You lose to Volc

gritty scaffold
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This team looks too lando weak

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Im not sure why you running spdef jira and ferro

upper plume
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You dont need Ferro rachi

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Can you use no speed control if you have cm reun?

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Or do you just lose to dd nite

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Methinks you just lose to dd nite too

gritty scaffold
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Twave over rocks in ferro and lando over rachi prob ok tbh

worldly walrus
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This looks like it is trying to be Psyspam but with Rachi over Zam?

gritty scaffold
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Id maybe change ttar last 2 moves

worldly walrus
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i was thinking lando/gliscor over rachi yeah

gritty scaffold
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Scarf lati could work

upper plume
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Yeah Scarf Lati here makes sense

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Low key Exca feels out of place

gritty scaffold
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I think its fine

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Good to handle fat

worldly walrus
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wait why is it sand rush

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😭

upper plume
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I feel like you want a second Water resist

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Oh wait yeah lmao

worldly walrus
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but yeah i think exca

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is fine

upper plume
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Oh you have Ferro lati

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Ur maybe fine then

worldly walrus
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oh, maybe rock slide ttar

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for rona?

gritty scaffold
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Yeah

upper plume
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Agree

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You could also consider sr boom ferro

wheat timber
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wait what set for lando then?

upper plume
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Just go with the defensive set

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gritty scaffold
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Scarf lando , colbur lati also works of u decided to run both hazards in ferro

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You can but id those are good

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In this team atleast

lilac nova
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in Gen 3 OU Jirachi spammed Cosmic Power and Calm mind and roar kept failing so i just lost, can any1 tell me why roar could have failed, idk why

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gritty scaffold
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Yeah

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lilac nova
upper plume
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It could've been the last Pokemon

lilac nova
upper plume
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Without a replay, I can't tell what it could've been

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IngrainPass is banned so

worldly walrus
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idt there is any way

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that can happen unless rachi was the last mon

upper plume
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I agree

lilac nova
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maybe just 1 mon team

wheat timber
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ok anyways thx for the help everyone

lilac nova
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tyvm

civic spade
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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

undone dagger
upper plume
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Methinks you are a tad Infernape weak

cobalt vigil
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Clefabe is mandatory on stall teams to have a fighting chance against opposing stall, Scarf Ttar will aleviate your weakness to wallbreakers like Gengar, Heatran, tank trick for clefable etc

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Forry is viable but it fits on specific squads

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those with defensive gyarados

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and zapdos eventually

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cobalt vigil
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spinning is difficult in dpp

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the most standard way to deal with hazard is to not stack spikes/sr weak pokemon

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with clefable + 3 flyers you don't need spin

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cobalt vigil
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TWave (Clefable) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Def / 184 SpD
Careful Nature

  • Thunder Wave
  • Knock Off
  • Seismic Toss
  • Soft-Boiled
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you can put rocks on tar and lead with it but it's a bit risky

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you have a couple of options here

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Rocks 3 attacks Jirachi with max hp & lefties

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(this is the most aggressive option for semi stall)

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uturn spedef gliscor

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are two other decent options

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other things to consider are 16 speed EVs on Skarm, and spedef investment

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cobalt vigil
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yes

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cobalt vigil
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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Earthquake
  • U-turn
  • Roost
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you could also do this:
Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 25 Spe

  • Stealth Rock
  • Earthquake
  • U-turn
  • Roost
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so you can roost on breloom

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but still threaten empoleon

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cobalt vigil
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It's for Skarm mirrors and CBTar

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specifically, you are 1 point faster than other skarmory when both are paralyzed

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 5] OU RMT @worldly walrus, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty scaffold
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i dont recommend using offense with sun

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sun only works with stall

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and even then sun is very niche

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pretty sure you cant run cloro venu with a drought mon

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worldly walrus
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oh yeah leo already said

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yeah i agree with leo, sun offense is kinda gimmicky

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if you want to run it for fun on the ladder i recommend BKC's one

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worldly tide
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other then semi stall, stall, and hyper offense which archetype is the easiest for a casual player

worldly walrus
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he didnt link the team

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but here

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the sets should b p obvious

worldly walrus
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and easier to be good with

wheat timber
worldly walrus
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seemingly yes 😭

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ig the thought is that surf is bad in sun

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gritty scaffold
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like idk uh sunny day ttar i think

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just not worth it

worldly walrus
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yeah

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sand rush is the only one banned without a clause

undone dagger
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Just a little thing im working on improving.

opal beacon
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@cobalt vigil

undone dagger
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And 2 attacks latias with hp fire

upper plume
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Why do I get the feeling that you're very Jirachi-weak

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Calm Mind Latias also wants Spikes

uncut sedge
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Shuckle @ Mental Herb
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature

  • Sticky Web
  • Stealth Rock
  • Encore
  • Infestation

Gallade-Mega @ Galladite
Ability: Inner Focus
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Poison Jab
  • Close Combat
  • Zen Headbutt

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Magma Storm
  • Earth Power
  • Taunt
  • Toxic

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • U-turn
  • Earthquake
  • Explosion
  • Knock Off

Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Outrage
  • Extreme Speed
  • Earthquake

Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 29 HP

  • Rapid Spin
  • Hydro Pump
  • Psychic
  • Ice Beam
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My custom Gen 6 OU team including the GOAT Mega Gallade

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karmic geyserBOT
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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @opal beacon, @frigid idol. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

wise hatch
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you have four rocks weak and no hazard control (rapid spin or defog)

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id start there

frigid idol
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opal beacon
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ig the two of u got this

frigid idol
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With Sticky Webs you want Team mates that heavily benefit from it and create a situation, that basically overwhelms the opponent. So an HO. It doesnt really work with non H.O. Teams. If you want to have a team structure like this, I would recommend having another lead, that prevents opposing Stealth Rock and a hazard removal option

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I would also recommend adding something that improves your match up against things like Thundurus. Offensive Garchomp, Latios, and Mega-Alakazam can also threaten this team a lot. Further you would benefit from having a Flying-resistance, eventhough it could work without given how offensive the team is.
Since you probably have to remove Sticky Webs, I would recommend thinking a bit more of how you want to include Speed-controll to your team.

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frigid idol
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hazard removal options in oras are rather limited

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I would think you need to change at least 2 things to make it work, but which that would be I don't know or is up to your imagination/creativity

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I would do like that: Think what you want to keep and then remodel the rest accordingly

wheat timber
frigid idol
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give it a try

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worst that can happen is that it doesnt work 😄

wheat timber
frigid idol
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You can basically change anything you like. I would do so till you are happy with the result

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If you change Charizard-Y and Dragonite I would want you to keep in mind, that your team wants more support against strong Water-types like Volcanion and Keldeo

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undone dagger
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Sleep was banned from gen 4 OU. Thus there goes a handful of viable teams with breloom

gritty scaffold
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Should only affect his lead and scarf sets

undone dagger
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subpunch is a lot worse now

gritty scaffold
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you can still with stun spore

undone dagger
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unironically suggesting stun spore is kinda funny lmao

remote horizon
undone dagger
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https://pokepast.es/0622d3e3042392e3 (gen 4 OU)
I'm working on this team. Please let me know if anyone can recommend something, especially to replace Jirachi or Infernape (better rocker that lessens a fire weakness)

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that's mainly my only concern with the team overall tbh

upper plume
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Why are all of your teams Heracross teams

undone dagger
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It's underrated IMO

undone dagger
naive stump
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However, I would go Torn > Zap

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And make Gliscor SD

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You 100% want Haze on Toxapex here also

undone dagger
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OH

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mb thought you were responding to mine LMAO

naive stump
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All good lol

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undone dagger
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with spore banned, is this team cooked?

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or should I have a replacement for breloom

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

lusty grove
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@worldly walrus sorry for the ping but i wanted to ask why does chomp run dual chop in bw ou

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worldly walrus
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^^ this

lusty grove
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Okay thanks

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

opal beacon
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sets arent also super optimal

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idk why the random blace and also the LO greninja

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I do suggest looking at samples first and getting used to the meta before trying a hand at bulding

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maybe checking out the VR

naive stump
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It's possible to make a fine team with the core of koko nite diancie gren

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Need some huge rework obviously tho

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Mostly make the koko NM taunt

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Nite with the z

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Then prob ferro/mag + lando over kart + blace

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Prob would make diancie tect or rocks instead of suicide lead

opal beacon
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if u go an ho structure maybe

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but even then its very likely to not be super good, will have a bit too many flaws

naive stump
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I dont see how this is random

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And nite over gyara is fine here imo

opal beacon
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this looks part mixed ho but there is a random ferro, well fully goes for an HO and then a ferro ?

naive stump
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It's just a ferro lando offense

cobalt vigil
# limber stone https://pokepast.es/ad88af608ac7b5e2

The team's approach is outdated, Starmie + Flygin DDer late game isn't seen because it's too weak vs defensive builds. Additionnaly, late game DD Dragonite isn't too good right now, as it is commonly stopped by steels and Scarf Latias / Magneton. You also need 2 immunities to eq: This is especially relevant since your current eq immunity, dnite, is supposed to remain hidden until late game. Double scarf + double dd isn't something you will see: a) you will now struggle with pivoting and b) you will be forced to pivot often due to doube scarf. I can suggest you this sample team, which shares a similar pace with your team : https://pokepast.es/27aa68f16cecfa7c

limber stone
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😔

upper plume
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Honestly @undone dagger you should really be using the "Upload to Pokepaste" button on PS

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 6] OU RMT @frigid idol, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

undone dagger
upper plume
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you don't have to upload to the teams database

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you can just upload directly to Pokepaste

undone dagger
upper plume
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Yes

undone dagger
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Alright

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undone dagger
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Oh ok

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Somehow never noticed this

karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

undone dagger
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Anyway im using this

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# undone dagger https://pokepast.es/a7607fcb359164cf

I'd advise to use the sample teams, as there are several problems with the team you shared. Lucario is a bad lead, you have no option against Draco meteor, Specs zapdos is a lead, and if you want to play zapdos it's good to pair it with spin (always if zapdos isn't leading). Celebi doesn't fit the pace of the team, it fits on balanced builds while you are playing offense. Heracross is a bad option. I also recommend you to look at the sample sets; EQless tankpert is a bad option because it fails to threaten Jirachi (which you are very weak to, especially if it comes with spikes support). Sample sets also come with teammates recommendations to help you build your team.
Example for rd kingdra : " Rain Dance Kingdra generally fits best outside of full rain structures as an offensive weather clearer, as it both lets up momentum too easily when it uses Draco Meteor and is vulnerable to being revenge killed by priority once it is chipped down via Life Orb and residual damage. Some of Kingdra best partners are sand vulnerable Pokemon such as Suicune, as these Pokemon really enjoy their Leftovers recovery and can synergistically KO weather Pokemon with Kingdra. Additionally, strong offensive Pokemon such as Heatran and Gengar can potentially bait in special walls such as Clefable and KO them with Explosion or strong attacks." You don't have the recommended support for kingdra here, and you do not take advantage of ability to remove sand.

undone dagger
cobalt vigil
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this would definitely help vs jirachi. You could try something like lead zapdos, rocks Jirachi, gengar, rd kingdra, heracross and np Celebi. This gives you a safe draco meteor switch in and it keeps the special offense you previously had with specs zapdos - kingdra - celebi

undone dagger
cedar trout
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as a beginner who just signed up for a local tournament, can anyone here link a good 4th Gen OU Single Battle team that i can use?

undone dagger
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disclaimer: I dont do tournaments, I ladder a ton though.

wise hatch
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i will say you will struggle into serperior thundurusa and gliscor

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not sure how to fix that

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prob just need to accept the team is weak to those

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karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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^ first link

sturdy oar
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been looking into gen 3 ou since i heard sableye has been seeing some play (big sableye fan) and i have what i think is a decent base for my team but i have no clue what to run in slot 6 https://pokepast.es/1d2b02228dac3442

karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 3] OU RMT @surreal crypt, @tawny egret, @polar nacelle, @civic spade. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

civic spade
# sturdy oar been looking into gen 3 ou since i heard sableye has been seeing some play (big ...

I’d slot Suicune last here. Preferably Resttalk cm surf cune. That said you also need to go for a standard Skarm. Spike protect roar Tox/dpeck. Reason being is that you want Skarm here for spikes and what it offers defensively. With spikes up, you’ll get more mileage out of clicking roar, rather than attacking moves. Your skarm spread will need to be adjusted to max Hp max spd, can play around with speed creep too. The team is a bit Metagross weak if Skarm/Suicune are too chipped. I’d recommend EQ over fblast on Tyranitar so you can get better mileage after clicking dd. Last thing is Calm Mind Blissey can give you a nice win con + way to deal with opposing cm Suicune. If you go this route, I’d recommend Tox on skarm, and maybe sabley over psych up since you’ll have Suicune and bliss to cm war. If you don’t go cm bliss, then I would just recommend wish over tbolt and lum Berry on tar, or keep tar lefties and run aroma/heal bell over Tbolt. Either option gives the team more longevity to get tar additional dd sweep chances, or simply to outlast your opponent in longer battles.

If you ever decide to try something over Sableye, Agility Metagross would fit well on this team for its defensive typing and wincon potential. This would be another beneficiary of aromatherapy Blissey.

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civic spade
sturdy oar
civic spade
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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 6] OU RMT @frigid idol, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

opal beacon
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zam

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like whats the plan vs these mons

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they just sit

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singular serp check is a talon

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with rocks up its not even playable

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zam is also a menace

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serp problem can be handled by making talon torn ig

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and av

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helps vs zam as well

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the team is still slower

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maybe a scarf keldeo could help

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it would prolly be better than this structure anyways

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opal beacon
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and it also gets knock off which ur team doesnt have

plucky fog
undone dagger
karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

undone dagger
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the only real issue is lots of chip damage

lilac nova
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Could I have feedback on my gen 3 OU team? My record elo is low 1400s. I like to have a mix of sturdy Pokemon and offensive Pokemon. I know I like skar, aero, bliss and suicune. Snorlax is really good coverage against Psy and ghost and dug keeps things even any time I die to a ground weak Mon. But maybe there are better options for snore and dug? Aero routinely sweeps 4 mons. Thanks for the advice!

https://pokepast.es/be34c4eef56b88e8

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I think I get ruined simply by a bunch of physical attackers

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ORAS OU.

sharp relic
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Gen 6 doubles OU

compact vessel
# warped venture https://pokepast.es/d34855477c1b4cf0

I think it can work but there are too main issues with the team. You lack a clear wallbreaker, you could maybe make excadrill sd or garchomp sd (the mixed set is a bit mid imo in oras). The second issue is how threatening weavile is for your team. This is mainly why most sand team play keldeo, as it pairs well into pursuit ttar but also protect a bit the team against weavile

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lilac nova
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Guys please tell me why do I beat good teams but I'm always losing to trash

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https://pokepast.es/59b3dcb9f28c0a7b
@compact vessel
Update.
Gave up on the Spikes dream and decided to go Volcan > Ferro for better Weav matchup.
I could go Keld instead if I'm feeling brave but

I am not.

peak ivy
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gen 4 ou

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spdef empoleon is so good

upper plume
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DD nite (and gyarados, honestly) look like problems

limber stone
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Great tusk

upper plume
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not sure why you weren't pinged

limber stone
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It is very slow

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Like extremely slow

gritty scaffold
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Breloom looks scary

cobalt vigil
# peak ivy spdef empoleon is so good

It's an interesting team. CbTar and hbell nite can both fit on paraspam balanced teams, however they don't work well together since dnite really wants sand gone. Typically Hbell nite -> mag balance, this way you can get rid of skarmory and chunk opposing steel types.
Easiest change would be Specs Latias -> defensive Lati. Specs Lati is a good mon, but weakening clef and tar doesn't do anything for your team. Jirachi can be a bulky offensive version with Fire Punch to pressure Skarmory.

cobalt vigil
# undone dagger https://pokepast.es/5eb76e8017ece2d5 I made this a while ago. Life Orb DDnite is...

There are few problems with this team : ScarfTar mostly fits on Balance / Stall because it threatens common stallbreakers / trick tactics and it prevents Starmie from clearing entry hazard defensive team commonly rely on. Here your team may be a too fast paced.
This celebi set isn't listed on the sample sets.
Jirachi as your Draco switch in can work but you need it to be able to apply a bit more offensive pressure here. Also I can be a good idea to put rock on jirachi instead of Donphan because cb gyara doesn't draw in electric moves as often as dd gyara does.
DDnite is bad currently as there are too many steel types. DDnite is currently only used as a (middling) lead with yache/sash to break holes early game.
What you can do is changing your celebi set for a defensive with uturn-twave-grass knot-recover one. You can try to keep Scarftar & DDnite. Stall is going to be an uphill battle but doable.

undone dagger
cobalt vigil
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Don't

undone dagger
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I tried Psychic Thunderbolt and Water Pulse as a midground between hidden power ground and fire

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It isnt going well lol

cobalt vigil
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you need to apply pressure on the same spectrum (physical) to break skarm

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burn skarm, threaten lati etc

undone dagger
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So go back to sub twave?

cobalt vigil
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max hp 3 attacks

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maybe healing wish ? or stealth rock

undone dagger
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Yeah, replace Donphan with starmie?

cobalt vigil
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but jirachi will be used early in the game

undone dagger
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Or maybe drop celebi idk

cobalt vigil
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donphan is fine here it

undone dagger
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I have too many dark weaks

undone dagger
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To lure

cobalt vigil
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steel resists dark in dpp you are fine

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healing wish/stealth rock / uturn i'd say

undone dagger
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Alright. Ice shard on Donphan then? Or stone edge?

cobalt vigil
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thunder/ihead/firepunch can work

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eq spin shard tect

undone dagger
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Protect?

cobalt vigil
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You can fit head smash on test/ice shard

undone dagger
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Thats interesting. Usually I use knock off for the last slot

cobalt vigil
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yeah it's to help against metagross and ttar

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I'd recommend knock for slower paced team with donphan - zapdos - cm clef -jirachi

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Maybe not on this team

undone dagger
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I wanna see if thunderbolt works, i dont like thunder accuracy

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On jirachi

undone dagger
cobalt vigil
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kk

peak ivy
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i do notice the dnite sand struggle esp. with lefties knocked off but heal bell comes in handy way too often

cobalt vigil
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you should keep jirachi here i think

peak ivy
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heard

cobalt vigil
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It's difficult to build around hbelll dnite

wheat timber
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tawny egret
# wheat timber https://pokepast.es/cd1531821ed0e5ec is this good?

this 6 is classic typically its mix mence over dd and bkc tar (4 attacks physical) but this looks ok. i think beam tar maybe unnecesary and dedge could fit a little better and also break down pert for dd mence. something else to consider is using drill peck skarm here or forre can spin on this forever. peck lets you wear it down over time. you run it either over protect or toxic. tect less is fine here.

wheat timber
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Yea you can prob get away with it as is. I def recommend atleast double edge over beam for dd tar tho and peck on skarm

wheat timber
tawny egret
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Breaking pert is more worthwhile here

wheat timber
tawny egret
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No problem 🫡

polar mesa
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ngl I have never built with bulu much so I have no idea how the team fairs

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I know that bulu with zard x is a good core tho

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along with kart it is fine

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I think the other mons are also fine but I will tag @naive stump just in case

naive stump
lilac nova
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Are you still down to bless me with some wisdom?

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I can get to 1300 or 1400 elo but then I plateau and fall back down

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civic spade
# lilac nova https://pokepast.es/be34c4eef56b88e8 It's a mix of bulky attackers and glass ca...

On this team you want a rest cune for end game wincons. Also I’d go Bliss or Lax, never the 2. Otherwise it’s a nice 5. Lax will lean more offensive, you’ll sometimes want or need to boom to break through things vs the team, plus with no rest you’ll have limited turns to make progress so it’s turns need to count. Bliss on the other hand will give you the option to better take your time. Having the two just creates potential bad matchups. As an example, swap one of the 2 for say Rachi/Meta/Bi/Dol and suddenly you have a better medi switchin.

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Id also keep Dugtrio the standard HP Bug because Celebi could end up being annoying if aero ends up being the main way to deal with it.

lilac nova
civic spade
# lilac nova Tysm!

Just tried a game with it and it feels pretty solid but fleshing out your 6 will help once you start versing more consistent teams past 13/400 range you were stuck in

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If you have a preference for bliss or lax I can go into where to go from there more

lilac nova
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But not having a self destruct does often hurt

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If I have to pick between my children I'd keep bliss

civic spade
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Bulky would function kinda similarly but leaves you with a less exploitable team defensively

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Then you can keep your coverage and also boom for when you need to pull the trigger on stuff that bothers your team

lilac nova
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the problem i have with meta is that everyone and their mom has anti steel tech

civic spade
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The pros should outweigh those cons, but that is an important thing to think about

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Also I didn’t notice this earlier but you do not want to run serene grace on Blissey outside of just as a meme team. Heal bell/aromatherapy are not substitutions for natural cure because it doesn’t allow for Blisseys strong ability to pivot in and out as a defensive piece

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@lilac nova

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I’d prefer going Stoss over Thunder (low pp low acc on a team that wants to outlast your opp) as it doesn’t demand the same SpA investment. You can reallocate those evs to HP and potentially speed if you want to creep anything.

lilac nova
civic spade
lilac nova
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It’s a great ability. But on Blissey, you end up making it way worse at the roles it fills

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If you alternate your 6 I would try something like:
Skarm Aero Dug Suicune Bliss Meta
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Skarm Aero Dug Suicune Lax Rachi
@lilac nova

lilac nova
civic spade
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starmie is pretty goated

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buzzwole and corv arent usually on web

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screens*

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and imo boots are always better on gmolt

limber stone
quartz remnant
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blast to the past ahh team, i feel tangrowth could be replaced potentially?

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i was told its not the best pokemon but i feel like we need smth to answer shit like mlop

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the ruffles lando spread for volcarona

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i read smwhere that rhelm tang should always go for brick break

opal beacon
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can just run trick on latios

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it outspeeds +1 volcarona

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and then u can make lando rh defensive

quartz remnant
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i thought about it but i feel like recover is needed for shit like volcanion here

opal beacon
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or even normal defensive

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that shit omega walls lop anyways without ice punch

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and u can always scout with scizor

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and then replace tang for something

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if that's the path u waana take

quartz remnant
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smth like this?

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this could work

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hmm

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double water might not be bad

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keld last with canion

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for bisharp

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Okay I'm really new to this. I just started playing showdown with OU last tuesday and I've made a trickroom team. This consists of Gallade and Farigiraf as TR setters, Crawdaunt as physical, Empoleon as special, Tyranitar as tank and one fast Hydreigon as sweeper. I currently have a 12 W - 17 L and I dont know what I'm missing. I really want to have pokemon that I personally love in my team instead of OP paradox pokemon with crazy Base Stats. Any tips?

limber stone
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@opal beacon

opal beacon
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I am out rn and wont be back for a few hrs

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@frigid idol

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can help if he is free

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replacing the only water type with volcarona is not it

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but i dont really have time atm to get into it

limber stone
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replace?

wheat timber
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upper plume
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But it is a ok 6

wheat timber
gritty scaffold
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Yes

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In the first 4 gens the first mon on the team is always the lead

wheat timber
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anyway stupid question what does present do exactly?

gritty scaffold
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So it does damage based on the pokemon type

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For example all eevee evolutions take alot of dmg from present

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But it has rolls to heal , miss , dmg

wheat timber
gritty scaffold
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Yes

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But its a strong move

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You can one shot a cloyster with good rolls

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Or a crit

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But most importantly light screen + present helps bliss alot in 1v1 a vaporeon for example

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As stall teams often have trouble facing it

wheat timber
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oh ok, still is the team good for a starter?

gritty scaffold
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As even if ur using an elec mon. If they are sleeping its not guarantee they will land thunder on vaporeon and even if does its still 2 hit ko

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Yes

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Though stall is hard to pilot id say

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For a new player

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Just try to dont rush things

wheat timber
gritty scaffold
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Offense id say

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But if you want to start with stall thats totally fine

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Id recommend joining gsc cord to learn more

wheat timber
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you have a link?

karmic geyserBOT
gritty scaffold
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Here

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Theres more ppl to help there aswell and better players to play , test with

wheat timber
# gritty scaffold Here

thx, btw if offense is the best for starters is there a good team I can start with? like do you have a team that can be good to start with or the samples are good enough

gritty scaffold
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I recommend the samples

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Most are good

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Just avoid using very niche stuff like charizard/bp

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Its okay mon but very hard to use if you arent very experienced with the tier

wheat timber
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ok then, thx a ton for the help

gritty scaffold
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Np anytime

tall carbon
upper plume
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Farigiraf is only in Gen 9

snow schooner
undone dagger
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gen 4 OU

civic spade
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These won’t ping anyone if you don’t have the format selected in team builder by the way @undone dagger @snow schooner

undone dagger
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@cobalt vigil

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Hi @undone dagger,
I already gave you feedback on this team

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I can point you back to what i advised you previously on how to make it better

undone dagger
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Tons of pressure from physical walls and will o wispers

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In DPP, you don't need to have both physical & special attacks. Refering back to my previous comments "you need to apply pressure on the same spectrum (physical) to break skarm". You don't need a special attacker. I’d also appreciate it if you took my earlier advice into account: the Celebi set isn’t very good and the Donphan set doesn’t match what I recommended.

wheat timber
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@cobalt vigil hello? 😭

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# midnight bramble https://pokepast.es/b2980b845b6aef24 If I could get insight on this team please?...

This is trying to do too many things at once and is somewhat a pacing mismatch. Zard seems like the odd one out. It doesn’t really have any good lead matchups aside from meta and skarm. I think this can work with Blissey over Zard and spin over Psy on mie. The gengar set also doesn’t really do much here. Toxic is outclassed by wisp on it and you really want bulk to live a suit or dd Mence hidden power fly etc

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Who should I place in lead then? Skarmory?

tawny egret
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what could i run for blissey, boiled and seismic toss that i know but what else works on her

midnight bramble
civic spade
midnight bramble
civic spade
midnight bramble
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you mean gar?

civic spade
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Yeah oops

midnight bramble
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yeah i was hesitating with taunt

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It’s very nice verse bliss who you are a little weak into

midnight bramble
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since it only lasts 2 turns in this gen

civic spade
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Yeah but it’s enough to stop bliss from healing or paralyzing you or healing rest of their team with heal bell

midnight bramble
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hypnomiss is a big no no, and destiny is funny troll move i was kinda considering it

civic spade
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And if you have spikes up, that can guarantee its death if your opponents spinner is gone

midnight bramble
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I'm very very careful with Skar even though I know it's bulky

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I usually end up placing spikes mid-game

civic spade
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Hm maybe mess with leading Skarm so you can get more comfortable with playing your game when you get them up early game

midnight bramble
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i'll experiment with zap and skar lead

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see which one fits me more

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but it's probably zap cuz i lean more on offense

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magnezone traps ferrothorn/corvilknights for weavile

snow schooner
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wtf

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try using Zapdos instead of Magnezone

limber stone
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What he said^^

limber stone
limber stone
olive stag
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Zone obviously helps trap Corv/Skarm/Ferro for both Rillaboom and Melmetal, and you can force toxic on stuff like Buzzwole too

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future sight offences might be a bit dfficult to handle so I'd suggest running light screen on Pex

olive stag
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but toxic is always a good move to click

olive stag
limber stone
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ngl you might fried by certain blaziken variants

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and no dark resist is tough

tender coral
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shit learns stone edge to send Dnite packing

limber stone
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cuz weavile

tender coral
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eh I think it's fine

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bulky Rilla cures a lot of ills

olive stag
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I initially had Slowbro in over pex but the team really didn't like heatran if chomp got overwhelmed

olive stag
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I'm by far no pro but I imagine it'll be pretty hard to keep both your spikes up and their rocks off your side of the field, making band weavile hard to play

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After restructuring this is where I'm at. I hate to admit it but zone feels pretty mid especially when their only steel is heatran. Any suggestions on what to add in it's place?
https://pokepast.es/cb4dcba87f66df3d

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[Gen 3]
I got owned by this team of blobs

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north sapphire
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(id like to mention youd get better advice if you sent over the pokepaste)

civic spade
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A spin blocker could also help out, such as taunt gar (generally very solid against stall/blobs) but also a great benefactor of spikes offense

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Also if that was rest cune you could probably brute force some of these matchups

lilac nova
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🤔

undone dagger
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upper plume
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you also don't have a pokemon that resists water

undone dagger
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Maybe a Swampert over Heatran, or?

upper plume
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swampert still doesn't resist water

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you will definitely want starmie as the spinner

undone dagger
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Hmmm...I may have to drop spikes 😦

upper plume
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I'm wondering if spikes are even necessary

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if you want to set up staraptor, a magnezone is helpful for jirachi and skarmory

undone dagger
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Yeah yeah

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I wanna see if toxic spikes are good

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But roserades not even nearly as good with sleep powder gone

limber stone
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Even blacephalon

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Make rotom was a slowbro

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Make gzap a zeraora

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Torn>lando
Sd aqua tail chomp>melm

snow schooner
cobalt vigil
# limber stone https://pokepast.es/6d939fc6d4959e5f

It could work. With Skarm + DDtar + Agility Gross you have few options to pivot which doesn't not match with Scarf Tias + Swampert slower approach. You could do Skarm -> Specs Starmie with spin, and replace agiligross for a defensive stealth rock version

undone dagger
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Then again, paralysis and Toxic Spikes still exist

undone dagger
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And they're niche anyway

upper plume
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Not immune to burns

limber stone
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dd pult doesn't really fit here

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And put thunder wave instead of spikes on ferro

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And maybe weavile>torn because idk what you do vs SD Chomp

limber stone
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specs pult, weav>torn, spdef tran

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slowbro>rotom maybe

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nah clef>rootm

high cosmos
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Changed Tyranitar's hidden power for fire blast

Marowak focus punch for double edge

undone dagger
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undone dagger
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scarf togekiss is...actually not that bad

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also yeah jirachi can be better but its basically a special offense team, and togekiss cant be trapped by magnezone/walled as easily...in theory anyway

midnight ginkgo
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does it make sense or too much going on? still getting the hang of things

dusk edge
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why is it dual rocks

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also where is your latias check

midnight ginkgo
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these are the things I need to hear lol thanks

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who would be the most obvious remove

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Hi all, this is my first attempt at a gen5 ou team, it’s been doing me well enough but I’m very open to swapping gengar for something more defensive, any feedback is welcome but pls be gentle w/ the roasts 😭

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Oh do I do gen5ou

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Hm

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Nvm!

limber stone
# upper sun Hi all, this is my first attempt at a gen5 ou team, it’s been doing me well enou...

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id recommend going through ts

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same

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Ok thank you!

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Would you recommend altering anything at first or just letting the teams run how they are to see what fits my playstyle?

upper plume
# upper sun Hi all, this is my first attempt at a gen5 ou team, it’s been doing me well enou...

There are many issues with this team, not the least of which are the suboptimal Pokemon and sets that are used. Among them are:

  • Ninetales is exclusively used alongside drought; any other ability is unviable
  • Custap berry skarmory is used on hyper offense teams, which don't use ninetales, choice band breloom, or gengar
  • Choice Scarf Latias never runs Defog (because Defog does not clear hazards on the user's side of the field in gen 5). Instead, they use Healing Wish to support sweepers on hyper offense teams.
  • Gengar is almost never seen in BW OU, as it has no defensive utility and doesn't do anything that other special attackers don't do
    Which Pokemon are you trying to build around here?
upper sun
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So Scarf Latias is not exactly a Pokemon you build around. At best, it's either a Healing Wish support Pokemon to hyper offense teams or a bulkier but weaker Scarf Latios. In other words, you're probably just building weatherless hyperoffense and then latias is a support Pokemon to your sweepers

upper sun
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Ok! I'd like to build hyper offense then!

upper plume
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A team with this kind of Latias usage, with Specs Latias instead of Scarf, is in the sample teams already

upper sun
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Ok I'll try it

upper plume
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sounds good, if you want to build a gen 5 ou team in the future, just ping me or leoperi

upper sun
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Awesome, thank you!

upper sun
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@upper plume you were so fucking right lmao, the hyper offensive dragon sample was so much better

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I would like to build a drought ninetails team, ninetails is one of my favs

upper plume
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so ninetales is a rather specific Pokemon

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Drought is worse than Sand Stream, Drizzle, and even weatherless teams

upper sun
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Is it due to the chlorophyll ban?

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Or just in general

upper plume
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that and the arena trap ban

upper sun
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Ahhh ok

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Would the best way to go about it be using it in combination with trick room?

upper plume
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the best way to use sun is stall I believe

upper sun
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Ok gotcha, I’d love to still figure something out, I really love ninetails, but if you’re busy currently then dw about it!

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long story short, these kinds of ninetales chansey cresselia stalls are what sun is nowadays

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but sun isn't that popular nowadays because ninetales does less than politoed and tyranitar

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and it doesn't enable Pokemon to the same extent as it used to

upper sun
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Ok, I gotcha, I’m still gonna try to set something up, but I’ll also get a rain and sand team off of the samples just to have all 3

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I remember hail not being great in gen5

upper plume
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you're not going to see full hail

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yeah

upper plume
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but abomasnow has been seen as an anti-rain Pokemon on hyper offense occasionally

upper sun
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Ahhh ok gotcha

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And the hail combines with his stab on ice to really put hurt on stuff that isn’t water type, since wood hammer already gets that dealt with?

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  • neuters swift swim users?
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nope

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swift swim + drizzle is banned and ice doesnt get a boost from hail

upper sun
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Ok lol, shows how little I Knoow ;-;

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@upper plume for the evs I assume i want a good bit of bulk?

upper plume
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for stall, yes

upper sun
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Trying to think of a good set, I assume I’d lead ninetails in most cases

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Protect and willowisp

upper plume
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the smogon dex has a fine ninetales set

upper sun
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Attack is prob heatwave?

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Ok got it

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Do people still run plate for volcarona?

upper plume
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I think Life Orb is preferred if you want the damage boost

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but for defensive teams you wouldn't use Life Orb

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or a damage boosting item

upper sun
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Ahh gotcha

north sapphire
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the smurf rona set uses lum id assume to block a paralysis/toxic

upper plume
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but this is sunstall, not smurf

upper sun
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I appreciate the help!! Here’s what I have rn, I’m gonna test it unless yall have any suggestions for items? I don’t love 3 leftovers

north sapphire
upper plume
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I think that heatran and volcarona should also have leftovers

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or at least, heatran should

upper sun
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Ok, I was just worried about the quake but I guess I have cresselia so

north sapphire
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one time consumables tend to work best on faster paced archetypes where you wont have as many turns to abuse your item

upper sun
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Ahhh I see, that makes sense!!

north sapphire
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and the instant "power" is more worthwhile

upper sun
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updated for the 5

upper plume
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I think in the replay I looked at, jaajgko used sunnybeam heatran and a roost volcarona

upper sun
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ok ill look rn

upper plume
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rocks chansey with a toxic + protect donphan

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I guess they didn't respect skarmory

upper sun
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Hmmm maybe swap the heal bell or soft boiled for rocks?

upper plume
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you definitely keep softboiled

north sapphire
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yeah

upper sun
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Ok, so bell for rocks?

upper plume
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one of bell or toxic

upper sun
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I do kinda like bell I’m gonna swap toxic

north sapphire
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or else chansey really loses longevity

upper sun
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Right

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I don’t run protect on the ninetails should I swap pain split for it? I feel like having the sunny day and will o wisp are needed

upper plume
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idt you need sunny day

upper sun
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Yeah, I get that fs

upper plume
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like they had flamethrower wow rest +1

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you could easily swap out rest

upper sun
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Hmmm I’ll do that it seems solid

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That helps with the heal bell on the chansey aswell

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More synergy

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Ice shard off of donphan for protect

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Is that solid?

north sapphire
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(take this with a heap of salt, but i feel like dropping ice shard would make your match up against wall breakers and sweepers, namely dnite and latios, more difficult)

upper sun
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Ahh i see, idk i feel weird dropping quake on donphan

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Maybe it’s the right move though

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On volc I dropped quiver for roost, for longevity

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And flamethrower for blast

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Blast for flamethrower*

north sapphire
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eh on both of those

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quake allows donphan to more effectively threaten stuff in front of it and quiver is kind of the bread of volcarona sets

upper sun
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Ok, should I lose the toxic on donphan and put shard back in, or lose the protect for the shard on him

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(And I’ll throw back on the quiver and maybe lose the giga drain for the roost?)

north sapphire
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hol up, may i see the current team?

north sapphire
upper sun
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right, let me send it

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@north sapphire

north sapphire
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nice

upper sun
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hp fire and ice beam on cress should help w/ skarm

north sapphire
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yeah

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i personally see the value in shard over protect or toxic for revenge killing purposes

upper sun
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hmmm maybe toxic then? i have it on cress

north sapphire
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maybe

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id honestly test out the team for a little and see if theres anything that feels off about it (like not just general stuff but also a mon feeling like it cant cover something it should/could)

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im gonna do it tommorow, ill leave it like this for tn, its like 1am lmao

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i just would prefer shard/spin/eq/protect (or probably rocks if i gave chansey something else)

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Thank you so much for the help, I really love comp battles, and even though I dont know much, I like to think that Im open to learning!!

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yw!

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oh

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and rotom wash could be quite annoying to facea swell

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idt you need trap heatran on the team

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specially when you already have chansey to wall things

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and heatran isnt guaranteed to the trapping working

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Ok! I’m out rn but when I get back home I’ll workshop some more!

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for adv

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I guess I would start by looking at how to counter the checks and counters lol

cobalt vigil
# midnight ginkgo my first time trying to make my own team: gen4ou https://pokepast.es/292c218ae8b...

In DPP you need a dedicated lead. Since there is no team preview, you will always be sending the 1st mon first, and you want one with best matchups at a) getting rocks/denying rocks or b) getting a significant material advantage vs the opponent.
Most of the mons you chose to use aren't really viable in the metagame (feraligatr is a poor man's gyarados, porygon2 is almost never used and the other pokemon are niche. I'd advise you to use a sample team, this way you understand the basics of dpp: lead, pursuit trapping, draco meteor, spikes...
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams-v2.3767939/

If you absolutely want to build your own team, take a look at this, and only use B1 and above mons. You can make most of yours teams with those. Keep in mind that Ttar, Jirachi and Latias are very strong options with ~50% usage each in tournament play.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-viability-ranking-updated-may-2025.3683332/

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cobalt vigil
# undone dagger Heres another team I had https://pokepast.es/f8ec98c099d91774

flyging-Type scarfers are almost never used because Stealth Rock is both easy to set up & difficult to remove. If you face Something like Azelf lead + Gyarados you can be in big trouble here. Tokegiss has mediocre stabs which doesn't help. Both are resisted by Jirachi and Ttar.

I think you could do something with gengar - ttar - Heatran, with a scarf Latias - but the current team would require many changes to be tournament viable.

limber stone
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if anything, ladder requires your team to be even more consistent than a tournament team would be

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# limber stone https://pokepast.es/6ae5527f7245612d

Gyara forces starmie and scarfers early in the game, so I'd recommend changing your Tar to a berry set. This will improve your early game sequences. Life Orb Zapdos isn't recommended as it is easily walled (hp grass is a interesting rn though). Since you have Gengar + Latias, to force damage on Heatran, you can opt for a sd roost scizor instead. This gives you a second steel, and a nice wincon.
On Gyara Taunt -> Sub maybe, but that's optional. You can put hp grass on Heatran to help vs Swampert . The berry Tar set can be fairly offensive, something along those lines: https://pokepast.es/04e6ac189a4b0f9c

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I have starting using some teams from bkc videos to learn the ropes

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and jimothy

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from what I can tell it used to be used more

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wish I was a good enough player to get away with it lol

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https://pokepast.es/109c125a8ed49387

Im reworking my old team to include better mixed pressure. I dont want to remove Heracross as the team was based around it but I might need to. I'm open to suggestions (the Celebi I had earlier never really did much)

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I wont really mind if I do have to remove it though. But it was the team's signature

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you need the talon in that team

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and to beat Cofagrigus aswell

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yes

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i thought it is an edit of the sample team

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it happens

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the structure makes sense

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you are not even the first one that this happend to 😄

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# limber stone https://pokepast.es/d2eb9cd6143db72a

If you want to play around Latias as your wincon, you can replace Starmie for ScarfTar. You don't really need spin and ScarfTar + Ghost secures your entry hazards stay on field. Idt Sludge Gar is the best teammate for this type of team, but it should do the job.

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The trio CM Lati - Starmie - Gengar doesn't really work. If you choose you remove Gengar, you can make a stall, and if you remove starmie you will lean more towards semi stall

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while building u end up with common structures that make sense

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only to find they already exist

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dont worry about it

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also quick question does clef work on a sand team?

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-2542520109 a 165 turn battle. Since the mods crippled breloom by banning spore and leaving the substitute + focus punch strategy unviable, there are less reliable stall breakers than there are good games on the play store. I won against a pp staller with literally 0 pp left

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I mean you can still use sub punch breloom

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you can also use swords dance on it

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no

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i tried it

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its too slow and frail to set that up without spore

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you can use yellow magic

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check the usage rates. nobody uses breloom anymore

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t wave?

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yes

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what time frame does that include?

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this is january

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so, before the spore ban?

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nope, after

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both of these stats are after sleep was banned

deft raft
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what date was spore banned?

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January 5th

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must be people who kept trying to run breloom for a few days

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we will have to wait until the februray rates

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and this isn't even what this channel is for

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this channel is for rating teams

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my bad, i saw a link that said old gens ou

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above that says "rate-my-team"

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where do i go then?

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to complain about gen 4 ou being ruined and making pp stall viable?

upper plume
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you could go to the gen 4 discord

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also, gen 4 ou hasn't been ruined by the sleep ban

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it was, indeed

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just like, run actual wallbreakers

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or taunt

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i did

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i ran a team with every single pokemon running taunt

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wrong discord

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i tried with electrode, the fastest pokemon with taunt

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there are no stall breakers apart from breloom

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thats why everyone is running clefable and blissey

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im open to suggestions

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Gengar, Gliscor, Breloom are all good stallbreakers

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breloom isnt viable anymore.

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breloom is viable

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you will see once the february rates drop

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who else do you use to switch into clefable knock off

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i literally dont see it anymore

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you can also use trick

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beating stall isn't a one pokemon operation

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it succumbs to ice beam

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it did that anyway before the spore ban, and ice beam is far from essential on clefable anyway

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which 90% of clefables and blisseys run, usually with some calm minds to boost

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 | Moves                                  | 
 | Soft-Boiled 86.048%                    | 
 | Seismic Toss 81.129%                   | 
 | Knock Off 75.162%                      | 
 | Thunder Wave 26.600%                   | 
 | Stealth Rock 19.936%                   | 
 | Encore 19.145%                         | 
 | Ice Beam 16.684%                       | 
 | Calm Mind 16.473%                      | 
 | Thunderbolt 14.533%                    | 
 | Protect 13.570%                        | 
 | Wish 13.240%                           | 
 | Other 17.481%                          | 
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^ this is for clefable

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 | Moves                                  | 
 | Soft-Boiled 90.814%                    | 
 | Seismic Toss 89.483%                   | 
 | Stealth Rock 61.150%                   | 
 | Thunder Wave 55.706%                   | 
 | Ice Beam 14.491%                       | 
 | Shadow Ball 14.421%                    | 
 | Flamethrower 13.740%                   | 
 | Wish 10.507%                           | 
 | Toxic  8.807%                          | 
 | Heal Bell  8.656%                      | 
 | Aromatherapy  6.612%                   | 
 | Protect  6.550%                        | 
 | Other 19.061%                          | 
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^ this is for blissey

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they are not guaranteed to run ice beam

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but you can scout it (as you should be doing anyway)

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i see them both running ice beam way more often than before. probably due to hippowdown, gliscor and flygon become more common, as nobody uses the only grass type anymore

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breloom doesn't answer flygon at all

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(actually mixed flygon is another pretty good wallbreaker)

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and using breloom to check gliscor is dicey

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i never saw a gliscor running a flying move

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breloom tanks earthquake very well

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 | Moves                                  | 
 | Earthquake 97.307%                     | 
 | Roost 55.790%                          | 
 | Taunt 44.421%                          | 
 | Ice Fang 44.362%                       | 
 | Stealth Rock 32.913%                   | 
 | U-turn 30.347%                         | 
 | Swords Dance 29.617%                   | 
 | Knock Off 15.661%                      | 
 | Thunder Fang 11.775%                   | 
 | Stone Edge 11.019%                     | 
 | Aerial Ace  7.269%                     | 
 | Other 19.520%                          | 
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what about ice fang

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breloom dies to any ice spa. attack

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ice fang is not ohko

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also, the combination of infernape and pursuit support is still as good at threatening stall teams as ever

deft raft
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i tried running infernape, but it didnt work

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as I've said before, breaking stall is not a one-pokemon operation

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it was only useful if the stall mon had no more switch ins

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why is your team 5 electric types and a cradily

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i like to try different stuff

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what is your plan for hippo once your cradily is done

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before the spore ban, i ran breloom, scizor, suicune, tentacruel, jolteon and rotom

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rotom and zapdos are immune to eq

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yeah your issue is that spdef hippo + clefable walls most of your team

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that's what happens when you have 5 electric types

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again, that mono electric isnt the first thing i tried

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i switched breloom for curse snorlax

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loses to skarmory

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no

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fire punch

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mk

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it did quite well, the only weakness was roar and whirlwinf

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thats when i started running cradilly

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do you have a team you want to get rated?

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Scizor @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 32 SpD / 224 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • U-turn
  • Bullet Punch
  • Iron Head
  • Rock Smash

Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Shiny: Yes
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 SpA / 48 SpD / 208 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 3 Atk / 30 SpA

  • Hidden Power [Electric]
  • Rapid Spin
  • Surf
  • Ice Beam

Jolteon @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 56 SpD / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 Def

  • Thunderbolt
  • Hidden Power [Ice]
  • Substitute
  • Thunder Wave

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA

  • Hidden Power [Grass]
  • Ice Beam
  • Surf
  • Roar

Rotom-Heat @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Pain Split
  • Thunder Wave
  • Shadow Ball
  • Charge Beam

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

  • Curse
  • Brick Break
  • Fire Punch
  • Rest
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i dont find the "shareable link to team"

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You dont even find "Upload to Pokepaste"?

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ah , i cant use the database as im locked

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they both bounce back and forth between 1250 and 1500 depending on how many times jirachi flinches me or latias lands a crit

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You dont actually have a Jirachi check

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i usually dont have problem with jirachi

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it is usually paralyzed and neutralized by jolteon, or snorlax counters it unless it is unable move 5 turns in a row

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rotom works too

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ignore the rock smash in scizor, i was trying alternatives as superpower sucks against stall teams

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But the team is pretty offensive so best thing is to just attack it in front of you. Problem is a lot of things don’t OHKO it while not getting 2hko first.

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Team seems okay however, but need to keep up momentum

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I’ll look more into the team when I have a better chance later

cobalt vigil
# deft raft they both bounce back and forth between 1250 and 1500 depending on how many time...

Hi,
This team is unfornately unviable. You need to take a look at this list https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-viability-ranking-updated-may-2025.3683332/ and only use B1 or above mons. Jolteon, Cradily, Snorlax and Tentacruel are all terrible options in the metagame (I invite you to take a look at their respective analyses).
You can also take a look at these teams https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams-v2.3767939/ to learn the tier.

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In DPP you need 2 steel types per team, in order to be able to stomach STAB Draco Meteor and Outrage, and 1-2 ground immunities so you aren't too weak to spikes

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i mean it's got 16% usage in spl right now

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i wouldn't describe that as terrible

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whenever I try to use it or see others using it its countered super easily

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the only thing I get taken off guard by is Leech Seed Protect

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but thats still not hard to play around

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theres no draco switch

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er

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ig theres a scarf tar

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plain epoch
tawny egret
# plain epoch What’s wrong with Magneton and gengar on the same team?

its a style mismatch. gar doesnt need mag to function is the main reason and both provide little defensive value outside of specific interactions. with mag to get most out of it youd want to load up on more mons that appreciate skarm gone such as meta but here zard is a skarm switch in as is gar so mag is very redundant. id suggest focus punch on lax so you can hit skarm and meta over dug and tar over mag. or id rewrk it so you have like mence over zard or somthing along those lines

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Ah I see

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That makes more sense

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And it is a big reason why I do have Magneton

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But it’s my best Pokemon for hitting dragons unless I put a Mence is there another Pokemon that can hit them for super effective

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Also I do like the fact it takes care of swampert with ease

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https://pokepast.es/7a5dfd13b0f4dabd
ok so i moved some stuff around and i have Magneton to clear out skar, tress and potentially jirachi. Snorlax for gengars coming in, tar and I’ve found it to be useful against sub users specifically sui. Dug is a revenge killer against jirachi, magneton, cele if it’s low enough, heracross. Skamory is here for better synergy with my magneton if I know a Pokemon can potentially use earthquake, roar for d dance mence, nite and medi and sui. Aero is here for the Pokemon to outspeed all and in my opinion uses the secondary flying stab better than zard. He would take care of zards, ho-ohs, magnetons, chis. And quag is here to deal with dragons, swampert, suicine and even t tar since it wouldn’t be able to do much. Thoughts?

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You also lack a Stealth Rock setter

wheat timber
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Hmm

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Gyarados looks a bit sus

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# limber stone been struggling w/ off electrics gengar and special attackers in general (also a...

Yeah the team as constructed will struggle vs spec off especially if you are playing reactively. Very little speed control so the faster cleaners like mie and jolt will cruise though end games. Just adding a spiker would be nice for making it a bit harder for your opp to play around you. It also forces your opponent to to debate on rapid spin or attacking you with Starmie which gives you opportunities to attack it.

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quick claw is not visible in gen 3

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Oh hh

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# limber stone https://pokepast.es/afc3fa751ae1f32c

Hi,
Raikou is traditionnaly paired with Bronzong or offensive Skarmory, this way you can switch out of pert /Hippo without falling too far behind. Meta + Latias could work, but it's more experimental. You can try HP Grass over HP Ice for swampert.
You only have 1 steel, not spedef invested and as a result you are too weak to Draco Meteor from Latias (and Wishtect Jirachi ). Something like an offensive Heatran or Jirachi can help with that.

wheat timber
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you probably wont need Starmie's spin here, as you don't have a rocks weak mon and many ground immunes. You do need an early game water resist however. You won't see heatran too often on these types of semistall build as these teams fear water stab and need an option vs clefable.
What you can try is Heatran -> Spedef Empoleon, and to change starmie for an abuser of spikes. You have a couple of options there, mixed Flygon is one of them.

wheat timber
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Not if you only bring in Tyranitar & Empoleon only when you need them

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your 4 other members are spikes immune so it's fine

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spinning is difficult in dpp

wheat timber
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(inspired by a false swipe gaming video if anyone was wondering)

wheat timber
undone dagger
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Yeah that was a good point

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It was originally just Jolteon and Subpunch breloom

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but I guess screw my old team lmao

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Lmao hidden power poison