Old Gens OU

[opal beacon]

not really

[vale lagoon]

Sadge

[opal beacon]

it would be good as a lead

[vale lagoon]

That's fine though

[opal beacon]

Double lead

[vale lagoon]

Ooh like t-spikes + spikes

[opal beacon]

make it sash

taunt

spikes

Surf and hp fire

or maybe u can go gunk to snipe fairy

[vale lagoon]

Okay

[opal beacon]

This is what I had made long back

https://pokepast.es/502d5601fdf20ee3

[vale lagoon]

It's unavailable for me

Oh nvm we're good

Oh looks nice

[opal beacon]

Ideally it's okayish bcoz only a few breakers

[vale lagoon]

I went for a Zard version rn, would this also be a good alternative?

https://pokepast.es/405b69f1eb5d3b62

[opal beacon]

Bcoz I have gren, serp and exca all playing supporting roles

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

U don't want that

[vale lagoon]

Oops I gotta stop doing that mb

Don't mean to ping

[vale lagoon]

I see

[opal beacon]

Replace torn with gyra z and use shift gear cm non z mag

Gyra should be fly z and then lemme know how u fare

Shift gear
Cm
Tbolt
Fleur

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/afe2553e67208c7d

[opal beacon]

Perfect, lemme know how it does

Can drop taunt for eq but taunts good

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

[opal beacon]

good for pex and stuff

[vale lagoon]

Thank you, I appreciate you!

Btw, the Medi team has been doing great as well

Even with the Zard Y stuff

[opal beacon]

ahh nice happy to hear

[vale lagoon]

Quesiton: Should I lead Exca first or Greninja under normal circumstances?

I'd of course change up the lead depending on the MU, but if both are fine leads should I prioritize one over the other?

[opal beacon]

not really

u can lead either

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/bbbbd3d3e98bbc50

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

ye this is fine?

any mon u facing difficult to face?

zard Y is annoying mu

[limber stone]

nah the idea just hit me

[opal beacon]

aight this is fine

just outplay zard Y

and u should be good

[limber stone]

ok

[opal beacon]

lucha can do stuff too

so be careful vs that

[limber stone]

ye

[dense thorn]

https://pokepast.es/d120db0533d54fba

greetings and a warm hello to all
This team is for SS OU
I have played a few games with it and I really like the offensive mons and I have a strange feeling about my choices regarding the defensive mons.

My ranking is quite low, which makes my comparison material basically hyper offensive teams haha.
Any tips or observations are appreciated in my eyes, I really like reading, especially from players who are more knowledgeable than me.

Thanks in advance.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @fickle tulip, @tender coral, @low jasper, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/166a1877c067250d

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @candid prairie, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

[wise hatch]

twave > surf on latias

i prob also consider specs or pump > cm on keldeo

[rich cloud]

i would go sd bisharp + specs keld

psychic move + twave on latias

like ruffles said

and possible max spa twave volt thund thund

for maximum offensive presence

https://pokepast.es/4a70fc37eedf1d34

you could also keep av bisharp + fat thund if you want a bulkier team

up to you

@limpid wagon

wrong person oops

@limber stone

[tender coral]

hm I'd recommend swapping out Ferrothorn for Heatran, Mandibuzz for Tornadus-Therian and Hydreigon for Clefable

patches up the QD Volcarona weakness and while Torn + Clefable are a very natural fit on grassy terrain teams

https://pokepast.es/94ba8e517c595ef4

speed control here isn't great with Blacephalon being specs and the fastest mon being Torn, but I think it works decently well with grassy glide being good priority

you're a bit soft to Dragapult but it should be fine with Gastrodon and Rillaboom/Clefable being able to knock off its specs if they're healthy

bulky SD Rillaboom is generally better on these BO structures because it can stick around for longer with the bulk investment and leftovers + grassy terrain recovery

also a better lategame sweeper

nature power Heatran + specs Blacephalon have really nice offensive synergy too, you can make the Heatran toxic for a better matchup into stuff like Dragonite but I think it's unnecessary

[dense thorn]

Thank you very much friend I'll test this version of the team later. Thank you for your time.

[limber stone]

Won't the latias need to be defog in this case cuz rocks are otherwise guaranteed to go up

[rich cloud]

win first

https://tenor.com/view/well-done-good-work-kakashi-naruto-anime-gif-21617874

[limber stone]

Serious?

[rich cloud]

half-serious

you can make keldeo taunt 3a

and go with a bulkier thund with taunt

[limber stone]

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/7d53fbdf39bddd23

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak canyon]

This was a crackhead idea i had, I enjoy playing this metagame more than other OUs. As for an idea i had, I thought of swapping Latias to Gengar

[cobalt vigil]

5. Make sure that the team being posted is yours; do not ask for a rate for a team you did not build, including sample teams, tour players, and youtubers. This also includes any modifications to the teams, raters will simply tell you to use the original version.

@peak canyon reasons are the following:

• Scarftar helps against breakers such as infernape, gengar
  -This ttar layed down rocks before azelf could taunt. Now you are slower and will struggle vs HO
• Stealth rock is mandatory on any dpp competitive team
• defensive Latias helped against threats such as Fighting type, notably Breloom and Infernape. Now you become very weak to both

You don't need Latias' damage output here, on this team you want to make use of its resistances

[peak canyon]

wait is this a sample team

i did not realize

[peak canyon]

ok everything noted

thanks

[peak canyon]

as a question wouldnt flygon be a little bit preferred overall or would the team struggle too much against grass then

[dense thorn]

Hey greetings and a good hug to all, this team is for SS OU https://pokepast.es/a02d02da4a19088b

I really liked the last tips I received and brought another team of mine to receive some words of wisdom about it.

I feel terrible inconsistency with pretty much all Pokémon except; especially defensive Tyranitar and the Excadrill sweeper (would like to keep them if possible).

Out of 20 test battles, I only won 8, I really don't know how to improve the team's consistency.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fickle tulip]

choice band ttar, leftovers rocks twave clef, can try timid pult

Id also change the rotom set to will-o-wisp or nasty plot + discharge

wisp / hydro / volt / split or np / hydro / discharge / split

dragapult can become timid

[orchid tiger]

do the first

[fickle tulip]

Oh i already said timid pult nvm

use hydro pump / hex / flamethrower pult (mainly preference but tbolt just isn't good), can go for hurricane tornadus because rillaboom is a massive problem

[orchid tiger]

does this need to be double hazard

removal

I guess it helps ttar and pult longevity wise

[fickle tulip]

Oh I forgot you already have removal

You can go hurricane over defog too

[orchid tiger]

Cause this definitely wants cane > defog

[dense thorn]

Blessings friends, maybe I've made some small mistakes in the builds. I'm going to try a few more battles with these changes. Thank you very much for your time.

[orchid tiger]

no problemo

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/2fd2f207016cdba9

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

I'll take rain as an auto lose mu its's fine

[tender coral]

you lose to almost everything with this though

[limber stone]

I do?

Dam

I don't understand

[limber stone]

I do now

[coarse comet]

team i plan to use in hgss mainly for stuff like red and battle frontier https://pokepast.es/bf8483d316e5f8e2

mainly concerned about whether rotom should have will-o-wisp instead of thunder wave and pain split over protect as well as if dragonite should have lum berry or life orb

[gusty jungle]

They don't rate in-game teams here

[coarse comet]

oh

[errant sandal]

https://pokepast.es/50b6a1ec0c31e229
I'd like feedback on this team! This is my first time building for SS OU, i hear great things about gen 8 as a gen 9 player!
The vision: I wanted to build a melmetal team with a trick room option so i started with melmetal and slowbro who has colbur to pivot on weavile who is apparently a HUGE threat in gen 8.
I wanted a faster pokemon to help wallbreak so I added kartana for knocking walls like zapdos. I then wanted dragapult for speed control and because dragapult is the goat (bad rationale)
landorus is very good glue and i needed a bulky ground so spdef lando is what i added to pivot melmetal and kart in. melmetal with AV helps landorous with special threats.
my at this point was looking weavile-weak and no rocks so i slotted in rocky helmet clefable. I wanted to fit in aromatherapy but i think i need twave for speed control.

I still feel like the team is weak to SD ice shard weavile, so any suggestions or other considerations are appreciated!

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/7377d6e52f1a8c3d
wdyt
https://pokepast.es/1e9019c7f8d7f169

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

wanted to build krook + tspikes in the first one, wanted some pivot and coverage to hit flying types so i went thund way. since its double ground we needed to cover the water weakness and we do that using volcanion. opted thundt> to deal with r-wash better.

in numero dos, i wanted to build krook + thundurus to get rid of flying types for krook. scizor-thundt act as our volt-turn core and latios will remove + break. volcanion checks volcarona here and is our water answer. finally, clef "answers" lopunny. team looks weak to mmedi though, not sure how to sort that

[rich cloud]

what is krook trapping

on either of these teams

@quartz remnant

you arent really leaning into or benefiting from the pursuit trap from krook

at all

[quartz remnant]

excellent question

its more so

helping it sweep

than it pursuit trapping

the team is built around krook

[frigid idol]

First Team:
I like that you combined it with a Scizor for to have a good target for Knock Off. I would recommend to increase the SpD a little to have a better MU into Mega Alakazam, since this is incentivised to click Focus Blast here

Krookodile gives you a chance to trap targets like Thundurus or threaten it with Stone Edge. I think Knock Off over Foul Play would help you to chip down defensive teams.

A Challenge for you is the lack of Flying-resists. For exampe Tornadus-T and Mega Pinsir would be a real challenge for you.

Further with Volcanion as your sole Water-resist you will have problems with Keldeo, especially with the sub-set. It would make sense to check if you can switch the last spot (Thundurus-T) with a Pokemon that helps you against those threats.

[quartz remnant]

i see, yeah i went scizor as a check to weavile.

okay, ill do kncok > foul play

[quartz remnant]

alright, cool ideas.

thank you

err i did want a volt switcher

ill try and solve keldeo issue

@frigid idol would you be opposed to defog zapdos > exca here

sorts the flying resist issue

[frigid idol]

naturally Torn-T and maybe some form of Zapdos come to mind

yeah it sounds like a possibility

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/6a68eec7af4dfecc

wdyt

could go av azu as a better check to keldeo

i think its a very blanket check tho

scald burn would hurt a lot

[frigid idol]

I think the Volcanion and Keldeo matchup in this is problematic in this team. You still dont have Knock off on Krook either

[frigid idol]

Team 2:
Again the core held together by Scizor is a good idea.
Some SpD on Scizor would help out against Mega Alakazam.
What will be annoying for your team is that you will have problems keeping up stealth rock, while removing opposing Rocks: Excadrill removes Rocks against Clefable, while you don't have a way to punish it. You on the other hand have to defog with a no recovery Latios, that also is at risk to get Pursuit trapped by the likes of Tyranitar or AV Bisharp. Surf on Latios is a good coverage move here and so is Focus Blast on Thundurus.
You could experiement here is another Stealth Rock Setter, which also can take a knock off and pressure the dark or ground types. A possibility would be Gliscor, but further choices are possible too. If you remove Clefable from the team you want to add defensive coverage. Changing the EVs in Mega Scizor would help here, as well as bringing in a Pokemon that can deal with physical attackers such as Mega Lopunny

[quartz remnant]

right, mb

[quartz remnant]

okay, thank you so much

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/101093f82a1afda3

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @low jasper, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bitter echo]

I have here a team for ADV OU. Smeargle AgilityPass. https://pokepast.es/5c152978c157e707

[gritty scaffold]

Im not sure why ur using offensive mons alongside defensive things like milotic when ur goal isnt to stick around for long

Heck even duggy feels a bit off

And if ur gonna use agili pass isnt idk ninjask or zap better at that role

Anyway im not a rater

Weird still vapicuno or jhonx dindt got pinged for this

[bitter echo]

I'm new, idk what I'm doing

So I'll take any advice.

[gritty scaffold]

Id recommend using samples first to have a better understanding of the mons in the tier

Its not easy to build bp teams

[bitter echo]

I see, thank you

[karmic geyser]

OU (Gen 3)

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• Metagame discussion thread
• Simple questions, simple answers
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Overview

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[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/cea4d04d0e44ed0e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Is this just completely sat on by skarm

[frigid idol]

Hey,

the structure itself looks solid. What could be troubling are long games against very solid structures.
This is especially true since your Excadrill is Air Balloon. I don't see a reason why it should have this. Changing it for Leftovers would improve your matchup against Clefable, but also increase its longevity and therefore the chance to consistantly remove hazards, as well as set up with Swords Dance. This is a change I would make for sure.

If you want to use Sand Veil Garchomp, you should use Leftovers on it, to increase the chances to make your opponent miss on a Substitute, as well as Smooth Rock on Tyranitar to increase the Sand turns. If you want to use Salac Berry Garchomp you will benefit more from Rough Skin as its ability.

I am not super concerned about the Skarmory matchup, but something that could pressure you a lot would be Manaphy. You don't have a good check to it and do not have ideal tools to revenge kill it.
Another problem would be Keldeo, which, once Tornadus-T is burned can slice through your team.
Volcanion is another Pokemon that can pressure you, especially when running Substitute. To improve the matchup against those you could run a Psychic-type move on Slowbro.

A general option would be to run Hippowdon over the Relaxed Tyranitar. This would allow you to check threats like Thundurus and Volcarona, while potentially allowing you to change Slowbro into another Pokemon that helps to cover the teams weaknesses.

I assume you wanted to use the Salac Berry set as the it-factor of the team. If that is true you would benefit from a better support cast, that pressures Garchomps checks more and allow it to set up and sweep in the late game.
In case you just wanted to use an offensive Garchomp I would recommed changing the item and use a Garchomp that will have more variety or helps you better to deal with the teams issues.

[limber stone]

yea the point of the team was using veil chomp, i can go lefties>salac

[limber stone]

yea my offensive waters mu is very difficult

i did consider serperior somewhere here but ig psychic slowbro would solve that

so do i just change hippo>tar lefties>air ballon on exca lefties>salac on chomp and psychic on slowbro?

maybe something like this https://pokepast.es/5f5a8236c52a7335

[opal beacon]

no wisp answer is what I see

And also I don't like synthesis mega venu in sand

[frigid idol]

that would help you immediately. You can use smooth rock on Hippo to increase the Sand turns, maximizing the opportunities for Sand Veil Chomp.

[frigid idol]

On this team I am with what Alpha mentioned. Mega Venusaur relies on healing with Synthesis yet, this will be problematic with the Sand, therefore it doesn't really fit. By removing Scizor you also open yourself up to Weavile

[limber stone]

My thought process behind using mvenu was to check the offensive waters and assuming giga drain would be good enough healing

And i thought azu+exca would be good enough for weavile considering it has no safe switches here

[limber stone]

😔

True

[exotic fable]

Hey do you have sample team for US UM ?

[karmic geyser]

OU (Gen 7)

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• Viability Rankings
• Speed Tiers
• Role Compendium
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[opal beacon]

first link

samples are updated and good to use

[opal beacon]

@exotic fable

[exotic fable]

thx !

[opal beacon]

np

[exotic fable]

are these team still good ?

or updated ?

[opal beacon]

Yes they are the latest ones and updated

[civic spade]

Double check that blissey set as well

The top half and bottom half of your team looks like 2 cores from completely different teams so you need to commit to a direction one way or another.

Also for your team in particular you’d prefer a bulkier dug to deal with bliss rather than jolly for Kou. For Bliss, you could stick to the Calm Mind set, you just need to add attacks. BoltBeam is pretty standard and reliable.

If you stick to building out the the team from the bottom half, you could end up with something that looks like this; https://pokepast.es/ff298fd9569eaae5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

🐐

[dense thorn]

https://pokepast.es/94af1ca8535d7d75

Greetings everyone, it's me again.
Sorry to bother you, but I've become quite interested in putting together a team around G-zapdos, I know he seems to synergise well with Weavile and koko.
But I'm really struggling to think of a good defensive core to complement the team.
Any tips? Or a mistake I'm not seeing?

Thanks in advance darlings ♡

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @fickle tulip, @low jasper, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid tiger]

This squad looks solid tho you desperately want a Spdef lando here

Might also want to consider spdef ferro here cause lele is honestly super annoying agaisnt this squad

Oh yeah lando > heatran if it wasn’t obvious

[limber stone]

Isn't his volc mu cooked without heatran

Oh but he doesn't have removal

Fair

[orchid tiger]

Not necessarily when something like Spdef lando or chomp works, tho I’m actually leaning more towards chomp here

[limber stone]

And spdef lando is good enough

[orchid tiger]

cause it also loads vs clown better

[limber stone]

Hm

But this kinda needs removal

Or maybe not

There's a ferro

[orchid tiger]

Not necessarily

[limber stone]

Idk

[orchid tiger]

Hstack doesn’t care much about hazards since u either don’t care or deny ur own from getting defogger

[limber stone]

Ye

Chomp might be the move here

[dense thorn]

So the change is basically an exchange of Heatran for Chom Spd, I see.
I've felt a strange inconsistency in my last few tests but it's probably just a lack of familiarity with the team.
I'll test the changes, thank you very much in advance.
Bless you darlings, it's really nice not to be treated badly for being a newbie.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/830b57b67444c27d

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

Lowkey team looks good

[limber stone]

Thinking about rockium on chomp

Can be cool for scarf kart

[opal beacon]

Ehh that's fine too I suppose

Doesn't change much

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/2f1cfedcdabca71e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

[opal beacon]

I like to pair keldeo with a cress

its a real core

u are also weak to tspikes

lefties keldeo loses to pex without taunt

can consider taunt>tect

or if ur aim is just burn everything that's fine but pex still does a number to u

but ideally u can still win games depeing on how u play

but there is no lele , zam switchin after heatran dies

but again u can still win so idk :/

maybe just ladder and see which team u are facing some difficulty vs
ideally u lose to sun for sure

u gotta predict a lot and each free turn u give to zard Y, it will claim

also medi being ada doesnt help the case vs zard

[limber stone]

Psyspam usually loses to late game scarf kart locking into smart strike tbh

[limber stone]

Alright

[opal beacon]

Yep but a good psyspam team also has a kommo

Like the sample one

[limber stone]

Ye

[opal beacon]

The one with rotom loses

Also another psyspam team would be scarf kart

So basically

[limber stone]

I've cleaned that kommo one with kart many times

[opal beacon]

It will come down to how u play

[limber stone]

That's the only thing and i hv zap

[opal beacon]

But I am thinking what u can do about the pex weakness

[limber stone]

Keldeo and mmedi are just there because I couldn't think of anything else

[opal beacon]

U can still outplay easily ig

[opal beacon]

Medi in itself is fine
Keldeo does feel random a bit

[limber stone]

I wanted an ash gren check

[opal beacon]

I would do fini maybe if u want ash gren check

[limber stone]

It's anti synergy with chomp tho

[opal beacon]

Or a rotom with spdef invested?

[limber stone]

Fini and bulu

[opal beacon]

oh right u are z drag

[limber stone]

That hasn't worked for me

[opal beacon]

I thought u were z rock

[opal beacon]

No? What went wrong

[limber stone]

Dark pulse

[opal beacon]

I c aight well

Why protect?

Go taunt

U will do a lot more with that

[limber stone]

Longevity

I can make heatran taunt to trap pex maybe

[opal beacon]

Works

Keldeo switches are gonna be toad , gasto and pex so taunt there would be good too

Do consider

[limber stone]

!pokepaste

[karmic geyser]

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[spark swallow]

Hi, I'm thinking of getting into gen 3 competitive, but I have no idea if my team is actually any good. i've looked at guides and sample teams for reference but i would really appreciate a second opinion, thanks!

https://pokepast.es/271080cd89ab3ca3

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[civic spade]

There are a couple of standout issues with the team that I could point out and go into more detail if you’d like.

1. Picking your lead is super critical in adv. Zard matches up poorly vs both Zap and Tar.
2. HP Steel on Snorlax. There’s really no reason to run this, especially on a team that lacks physical attackers already, limiting your coverage with a weak 70BP attack that hits nothing.
3. Speaking of your team also desperately needs some physical offense. It looks like some sort of balance offense is what you were going for but some of these sets do essentially nothing against Blissey/Snorlax. Using brick break on mixed Tar, or a fpunch on sub zard could help out against those 2 special walls.
4. I don’t recommend going without protect on Skarm ever really. As nice as having both seems, losing protect can really cost you in games where you just needed a little chip heal to roar out a mash boosted gross 1 more time late game just as an example, there are tons of others instances where that extra heal is crucial.
5. I know you said you looked at samples, but I’d recommend trying them out more as well to get an idea of why certain mons are paired together if you are only just getting into it and a lot more adv specific resources in the adv discord as well.

[polar nacelle]

1. don't use skarm and lax together. their pace doesnt fit.
2. dont use zard zap mie together on the same team. too many fast and weak mons too few breakers.

[limber stone]

Well I'm just finding out that this is cooked by kommo

I really need a fairy here

Mmedi doesn't feel like it's doing anything

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/e38da15b1843617d tried to do this

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

gg

[opal beacon]

Looks good

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/a39159d69f32b1ca

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @opal beacon, @frigid idol, @wise hatch, @rich cloud. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wise hatch]

cool concept

you need a flying resist tho

otherwise you are run over by talonflame

[limber stone]

oh dam

how do i fit one

[rich cloud]

smurf

you could go meta > sciz

and taunt serp > resto

balloon mie is kinda fake this gen just run orb

[wise hatch]

thundurus is usually pretty good

idm balloon mie

coba berry serp w/ hp rock if things are super dire

[frigid idol]

As already mentioned you really want a Flying-resist on that team, else Pokemon like Mega Pinsir or even Tornadus-T have it too easy to clean up.
When you don't want to change Pokemon within the team I would recommend to find a way that allows you to bait the Flying types into feeling secure and hit them with a suprise, like having a coba berry Serperior or Volcarona with Coba and HP Rocks. Yet neither of them is a perfect solution. In that case you would need to adjust the EV Spreads aswell.
I get the Balloon Starmie as you really want to hard counter Ground-types that potentially set rocks on you and wall Volcarona.
Generally you can say that the bringing the SMURF-HO into ORAS is a really hard task, but with some finesse you might be able to get it to work.

[limber stone]

maybe

[limber stone]

i want some longevity on mie for volc

[limber stone]

i usually try to fit thundy everytime but couldnt do so here

[limber stone]

oh no, im very open to change pokemon here

i wasnt necessarily try to make oras smurf but it ended up being very similar to smurf

[frigid idol]

MMeta would the only thing that comes to mind, but that would make your match up against other stuff like weavile worse. In that case I would take a look on the Volcarona, maybe improve the bulk on it

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/0cf609edb750a9e9
hey, how do yall find this

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @opal beacon, @frigid idol, @wise hatch, @rich cloud. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

There is nothing that heracross benefits from in sand so why is it here in the first place

I would rather have a status absorber with this or just go a full on sand team

But this agains doesn't seem that bad

Paprika is writing an essay 👀

[frigid idol]

hey,
I like the idea of bringing Hera in an offensive Sand team.
Zapdos to cover its weakness to flying types is a good idea. Volcanion covers Talonflame and delivers much needed speed controll. It also hits other threats like Mega Metagross, takes will-o-wisp and pressures opposing Cofagrigus.
Your Cofagrigus helps with physicay offensive threats like Mega Lopunny, Mega Medicham and Mega Metagross.
The Sand core gives you additional Speed controll and the Colbur Berry Tyranitar helps with fast special attackers like Mega Alakazam and Thundurus. It is also your answer to Volcarona.
Excadrill is very important because it is your main Clefable coverage. This is where is see a main problem. If your Excadrill is beaten you will have real problems with Clefable.
A small fix would to make Mega Heracross Swords Dance, but this would make your match up into Rotom-W riskier. I think the Clefable match up is something to keep in mind and that could be improved.
Another issue is that you lack Water resists. Rotom-w, Keldeo, and Manaphy can pressure your team severly. This comes mainly from the absence of a Grass-type.
Generally Mega Heracross teams are difficult to balance out. I feel oftentimes it is easier to find offensive than defensive solutions.
I hope you found that helpfull and might get an idea in which direction you could evolve the team

[frigid idol]

I have the illusionen it will help and maybe even really count towards the teamrater badge, but I guess outside of the forum it doesnt really count for much

[frank cairn]

Anyone good at Gen 3 OU? Ive no idea what im doing

not winning at all

[limber stone]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-ou-sample-teams.3687813/

[rigid zenith]

https://pokepast.es/5b9ef1f0790c7298 tried building around av kyub

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @opal beacon, @frigid idol, @wise hatch, @rich cloud. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wise hatch]

use adamant not lonely

i would use more bulky / less speed

i would prob use lefties thunurus and more def on scizor for lop

drill should be SpD

looks fine otherwise

[rigid zenith]

if im using ada would i change ice beam to smth else?

[wise hatch]

no keep ice beam

-spa ice beam still strong enough

[rigid zenith]

alr

[rigid zenith]

how much defense would you run?

[wise hatch]

maybe 96?

[rigid zenith]

what benchmark does that hit?

[rich cloud]

voltturn with no breaker

kinda suspicious

you could make volcanion a more offensive set

leftovers 4 attacks could do well

could also go leftovers 3 attacks + protect since medicham gets a kill each time it hjks

https://pokepast.es/56b79453259bce47

something like this

i prefer lefties thund on this kind of team since you have really good longevity

i got the kyurem spread from blubird its kinda schizo but it works

[frigid idol]

Hey,
generally I like the use of defensive Mega Scizor here and the addition of Latios to help with Fighting-types. There are some adjustments that I would suggest.
I am not sure about that Kyurem-Set, you can reduce speed for more bulk and change the nature to adamant.
if you run an Impish Nature Mega Scizor, which actually could work here, Rocky Helmet on Thundurus seems to be a bit too much. I would probably increase the Def EVs a little more so you can comfortably wall Mega Lopunny.
Since you have that and a bold Volcanion you can go SpD on your Excadrill.
I would also change your Latios a bit and give it Surf over Defog. You already have removal on Excadrill and don't need to double down. In exchange I would add Surf, which helps to deal with Heatran and gives you something additional against opposing Excadrill, Tyranitar, Hippowdon, and Gliscor.
Further I would change Psyshock for Psychic to give you more immediate impact on the move.
What you could consider is using Substitute over Roar on Volcanion. It might take a little bit of the safety net away but gives your more offensive possibilites, especially in the combination with Toxic. This could help against Rotom-W which can pressure your team quite a bit

[quartz remnant]

i agree with the assessment of clef, keldeo and rotom-wash beating us. im unsure as to how to cover my weakness to water types. maybe scarf/av volcanion with hpgrass?

[quartz remnant]

it helps a lot ❤️

[quartz remnant]

sand benefits from heracross breaking shit

[frigid idol]

you already have that 😄

[quartz remnant]

oh

right

lol

uhh

maybe make it av?

idk

ill test it

[frigid idol]

then you miss speed

the mon you probably need to change is cofagrigus

[rigid zenith]

alr thx for the advice

[quartz remnant]

i guess

i wanted to use it though

cofag sand

[civic spade]

If you haven’t tried samples, I recommend starting with that to get a good idea of different team structures and why certain mons fit together well. And if you’re looking for more general advice on playing the tier, I’d recommend the ADV discord server for general help like that. In the future if you start building your own teams, you should come back here for some advice on that.

[frank cairn]

i have but as soon as I get around 1250 Elo they stop being able to win

like the special offense team just lost 9/10 times someone had blissey plus skarmory

using the "CBMeta Mag SubPassBi DDSpam" but it just straight up loses any time someone has Raikou

[stiff sail]

https://pokepast.es/739a9b78840e58e0

hows this gen1 ou team?

oops

hold on didnt grab link

ok its not letting me

there

[gritty scaffold]

it seems we lack rby ou raters

all inactive for a long time

i guess i can give proper advice

[gritty scaffold]

1strun seismic toss over reflect on zam. reflect is kinda useless as zam still is frail so you dont get much value out of reflect , 2nd i would maybe run stun spore over mega drain on exeguttor as u get more value out of para and mega drain is kinda weak and useless alot of the time / rest is also a option if you wanna not just remove paralysis but sometimes eggy healthy can be game changing though becareful as to what team ur facing ur less likely going to click rest as giving free turns is tough. , 3ndi would prob drop sing on chansey for twave and run reflect over light screen aswell as seismic toss over ice beam on chansey . 4th i would use blizzard over thunderbolt here bc you dont really hit many things with tbolt on mie besides opposing starmie which u already have hcansey for , cloy though it already doesnt want to come on psychic anyway / though surf + thunderbolt could also work . and 5th and lastly i would prob change lax a little bit like run reflect over earthquake and maybe self destruct over hyper beam as a last resort to lax ko anything it wants to though it does make it a little bit exploited by gengar i think you should be fine if you dont let gengar burn sleep turns on lax , you have eggy so your already a bit safe into rhydon just becareful and dont let your opp spread para on everything as speed control is crucial .

big 6 will always be good but most important thing is understand fundamentals

[stiff sail]

oh I’m not removing eq, dont wanna be walled by gengar, it and body slam are like the most no drawback moves I could run on it

as for the other stuff… ngl I thought I had stun spore on my eggy

as for starmie… fair enough

[gritty scaffold]

being walled by gengar isnt worst thing ever trust me

[stiff sail]

I mostly have sing on my chansey to deal with other chansies

since chansey can be obnoxious

[gritty scaffold]

what if you wanna click sleep other mons

[stiff sail]

or even just putting some other scary mon away

[gritty scaffold]

and they might not let oyu put their chansey to sleep

[stiff sail]

Yeah I know

But its an option yknow?

[gritty scaffold]

id recommend watch marcosad vid about rby to understand better https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/rby-ou-guide-video.3766895/

[stiff sail]

Most of my gen 1 knowledge is from big yellow and reverend

but I dont have much exp in the tier cuz nobody plays

[gritty scaffold]

they are also good

[gritty scaffold]

are u sure nobody plays

[stiff sail]

I rarely can get matches

[gritty scaffold]

well most people are busy with life yes but plenty of ppl join rby forum tours

[stiff sail]

Its a bit more than just being busy with life

I can reasonably get matches in like gen 3 and 4

gen 1 feels like its just people are hopping on ladder to try out the tier and then they dislike the way it plays and leave

[gritty scaffold]

feels more like you arent willingly to learn more by playing tours

[stiff sail]

what are tours?

[gritty scaffold]

tournaments

[stiff sail]

oh I dont got time for those usually

my best bet is ladder or hitting up people in discords

[gritty scaffold]

oh fair

[stiff sail]

Yeah… only game I can do tournament in is battle network due to how tournies work, its entirely based in replays so theres more leniency on when I do my matches

[muted canyon]

https://pokepast.es/8bd7367aaab51385

Just started teambuilding recently and decided to make this team around Latios cause thats one of my favorite, does this team have a good matchup versus excadrill or weavile or am I too vulnerable to the meta mons in this format

[karmic geyser]

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[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/f99602b2d683fe0d

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rich cloud]

exca and weavile do indeed smash this

this team needs a lot of reshuffling

you dont have a dark resist and your ice resist is life orb starmie and scarf magnezone

we can do better

[opal beacon]

I was just gonna type this

U rate this, I will do the sm

[opal beacon]

This is similar to the sample team

I don't remember if it was a sample team but it's a known team

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-855294?p2
Same structure used by santu

U have fire z and he had spdef heatran

[limber stone]

Oh wow

[limber stone]

Mine is mega latios

[opal beacon]

Need spdef so that u don't lose to volcarona

[opal beacon]

Same structure almost but ye

[muted canyon]

i switched the starmie to a fast utility set but idk what pokemon i’d actually switch out

[opal beacon]

Yes there is not much to rate a known team

[limber stone]

I thought maybe heatran with fire z can wallbreak for latios

[limber stone]

It was an accident 😭

[opal beacon]

heatran drops to volc

[limber stone]

Yea

[opal beacon]

without spdef

[opal beacon]

Ye it happens all the time

Nws

[limber stone]

Where do I use the z then

[opal beacon]

Santu had dark z

[limber stone]

Alr

Ty

[opal beacon]

U can make it physical gren

With fight z

Protean

gunk and stuff ig

[rich cloud]

i think you should get rid of it entirely

[muted canyon]

i was also planning to run scizor or keldeo but decided to go either way starmie considering rapid spin

[limber stone]

Maybe I can

[rich cloud]

and lean into the fat hazard stacking angle

keldeo is a good pick

you could do something like latios keldeo chansey skarmory ground type filler

maybe gliscor clefable

this is similar to a metagross style of semi-stall that has been used a number of times

[limber stone]

What 4 moves

[rich cloud]

lighthouses brought a similar style to spl this year

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen6ou-820493

but its more of a balance than a semi-stall/ fat team

[rich cloud]

while london beats brought this

[muted canyon]

so swap ferro for skarm, landot for glisc, and mag for clefable

[rich cloud]

but with metagross as the mega and amoonguss as the filler

[rich cloud]

thats a good start

[limber stone]

What's that skarm doing there lol

[rich cloud]

you need it

for a lot of things

[muted canyon]

while running this team on the ladder i didn’t face many dark types besides tyranitar but i’m not high on there or anything

thanks for the help

[rich cloud]

still watchout for ttar

cb can break this kinda team

[opal beacon]

Usually
Spikes as last to help but if u have Ferro spikes
U can do
Ice lowkick hp fire uturn/ gunk

Gunk I like more

[frigid idol]

Hey,
this team seems to be more on the bulkier side, which is fine given you want to build around Mega Latios. When building such teams it is recommendable to have a solid structure. Especially you can't afford much speed controll, you want decent answers to common threats.

One of the biggest problems you might face are pursuit trappers like Weavile or Assault Vest Bisharp. Especially for Weavile you have no good answer. This role is usually taken by Clefable, Skarmory, Bisharp, Quagsire, or Keldeo. As a hot fix you could change your Starmie to utility set and give it a Colbur Berry. Generally I would think that you want a better coverage for that on your team.

Another threat would be Tornadus-T, which can freely click Knock Off on your Team, sponge attacks and pivot around. Here you would also benefit from having a better answer. Good help against Tornadus-T can come from Pokemon that can allow themselves to take a Knock Off and are not threatened by Hurricane or Heat Wave / can heal the damage. Examples would Clefable, Slowbro, Alomola, or Gliscor. Another route you could go would be using Pursuit Trappers like Tyranitar yourself. Which wouldn't only help against Tornadus-T, but also against the afformentioned Weavile.

What I like here is combination of Heal Bell Chansey and Mega Latios, allowing you to tank attacks from Keldeo well and not be too afraid of burns. Also the idea of stacking Entry Hazards, while removing the opposing one with Rapid Spin is nice. Yet your offensive Starmie will not be able to do a reliable job. Especially since it will lose HP rather quickly with Life Orb and no source of recovery.

While Landorus-T is a great Ground-type that helps against key threats such as the Sand-core of Tyranitar and Excadrill, it lacks the ability to recover itself. Its ability to pivot is really nice, yet you don't have all that much Pokemon that could benefit from a situation created by u-turn. It could make sense to replace it with another Ground-type such as Hippowdon.

Lastly the combination between Mega Latios and Magnezone is really good. The question that you have to ask yourself is "does Magnezone really archieve enough to be worth slotted on that team"? The problem is that, despite it removing key checks like Ferrothorn and Skarmory, it lacks sustainability and can't support the defensive core well. Therefore it is worth to check if it could be replace by other options, that might not deliver and immediate punch like Magnezone does, but bring more of a long term benefit.

[opal beacon]

^ whatever paprika said
The core of latios/latias with zone is really good but u need to support it well
I like the core more in sm compared to oras honestly but regardless it can do its job well
But u will have to do something about the pursuit trapper, they pretty much own your team

[muted canyon]

I added clefable to the team but I still do not know what to do in terms of hazard removal but either way starmie isn’t very effective at all in that role

[frigid idol]

effective Hazard removal is very annoying in oras. Besides both Lati there is Excadrill, Zapdos, Starmie, Skarmory and then nieche options like Defog Zard-y, Donphan, Cloyster, Forretress, Empoleon

[limber stone]

And only excadrill is good

imo

[opal beacon]

It's the best

Latias and latios follow close and then starmie zap dharm

Skarm

[rare sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/6178109349f10d2b first team https://pokepast.es/fda1c3d87122d745 2.0 i'd just like to know which team is better personally from testing i think its the second one i'd like input to if needed

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

mons have no synergy in team 2

team 1 is not bad tho

jirachi kinda seems a bit random

looks almost like an ho

but jirachi and torn make it a bit complex

jirachi and venu make a good core in the sense that it can help u handle psychic moves

but no wish on jirachi means it can only handle hits for so long

[rare sorrel]

i was thinking abt changing rachi twave to wish but figured twave was better on my slower team

and twave would allow lele to finish ohkoing everything without getting hit

[opal beacon]

it would be fine if u were on the more bulkier end but here

mega venu doesnt really use the twave much

lele can

but again kommo is a weird mon

this set , u get walled by pex

[rare sorrel]

yea i went with firium over ground z because of lele and tom

so the first team is better ?

[opal beacon]

it is a bit better yes

kinda pex weak but

enough offensive pressure can do it

also

remove ice beam on gren

and go spikes

ideally what I would do personally is make ur team an ho

[rare sorrel]

had spikes on gren first but i wanted to use ice beam because of kommo etc

[opal beacon]

scarf lele

is faster than +1 kommo

just trade

spikes>ice beam any day

unless u are protean

which u arent

[rare sorrel]

k

[opal beacon]

if you were to say go an HO structure here
change jirachi for sash excadrill

and torn for maybe umm magearna

also I recommend wish on jirachi if u keep it

[rare sorrel]

thanks

av magearna or shift gear ?

i like av magearna because i just like 1 bulky mon on every team

but its HO so .

[muted canyon]

https://pokepast.es/c63aa30676961438

This is an HO team that I run for Gen 7 OU, I guess its like a brute force thing

[opal beacon]

Ye no not on ho

U want shift gear

[opal beacon]

Where is the mega

Also av mag isn't a think on HO

Go with shift gear and fairy z

Switch kart for a mega

And make lando fast rocks with imprison

Explosion

Or u can keep kart and switch greninja for a mega

[rich cloud]

removal isnt necessary if you run magic guard spikes

clef + skarm is a good core to support your latios

[muted canyon]

Are there any mega mons in specific that I should run on this team?

[muted canyon]

I ended up continuing to use ferro because I felt gyro ball does too much damage to not use and it also can help check Latios’s checks

[opal beacon]

Zard x , mega gyra

Are some mainstay HO mega d

[rich cloud]

what does the team look like now?

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/ceb9511c7a05e352

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

is this good?

[opal beacon]

Fix gren evs

[karmic geyser]

Gunk Shot (Gen 7)

Has a 30% chance to poison the target. Z-Move power: 190

Type

Poison

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

80

PP

5 (8)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Blocked by protection moves.

Moonblast (Gen 7)

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage. Z-Move power: 175

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

95

Accuracy

100

PP

15 (24)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Blocked by protection moves.

[opal beacon]

Gunk and lowkick both are physical moves so why is it 252 spa

No real free switch to zam but can play the sack game and win

Also don't let fini get low when oppo has kommo

[raw hornet]

oops

used to be ash gren

[opal beacon]

Ah kk

Bcoz then u lose to the z by kommo,

Otherwise it's fine

Run enough spa to be able to kill spdef gliscor with ice beam

[raw hornet]

alright

[raw hornet]

wdym?

[opal beacon]

kommo is faster than this fini set

and if ur fini is at a low hp

it can just click eq and then when the time is right

click koomonium z or whatevrr it is called

and u lose

[raw hornet]

ohh

okayy

[opal beacon]

that's the one problem when running this fini set since when u trap pokemon like

chansey

u take seismic toss damages

[opal beacon]

I would recommend trapping pex

reuni and other pokemon

[raw hornet]

yeah cuz i can just z low kick chansey

[opal beacon]

and only chansey if u are not able to break

[opal beacon]

ye most of the time they dont scout

but if u reveal protean

the players in higher ladder know its physical

and its gonna be either z fight or z ground with dig

so they scout

rare cases can be z extrasensory but that set of gren is usually paired with lele

also ofc lemme know if u face any difficuly in facing some teams and we can work on that

[raw hornet]

okayyyy

[stoic hull]

https://pokepast.es/6942f51cd87cad84

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

10/10 names

[frigid idol]

Hey, snow miser.
that team more or less exists as a 6 from Ruffles.
In general the combination is nice.
With the moveset you chose you are more likely to run into problems with Volcarona.

I am not sure how fair it is to go further into detail to not spoil too much of Ruffles team.
But I want to say that 3 attack Mega Latias is not the ideal choice. You would also benefit from one of your Pokemon carrying Knock Off and that your Heatran set, being an offensive version, is not ideal for your team structure.

In general those 6 work out well, I will leave it to Ruffles to go further into detail.

[wise hatch]

yeah its a 6 i made more than a year ago and has been recreated

heatran needs to be roar and specially defensive. You do need not need offesive here and defensive is needed for alakazam thundurus gardevoir etc.

other than that, yeah like paprika said, go twave on latias

over psychic

generally speaking teams like this is more about how you play it. Your play needs to be precise

@stoic hull

[wise hatch]

echoing what paprika said. Definitely make starmie defensiv and colbur berry
the biggest immediate issue is no dark resist. You said you added clefable so that is good
i'd consider latias over ltios as well in terms of megas

[muted canyon]

https://pokepast.es/3d10d1bc0bfede09

[muted canyon]

latias is typically the more viable option in most situations but I just feel like latias doesn’t have the same sheer power that latios has and i like playing with powerful mons such as hoopaU and kartana

[wise hatch]

this looks fine. Just gotta play precise

i would make skarmory brave bird cuz serp is problematic

[muted canyon]

i also came to ask how do i use suicune in gen 4 because all the three teams I made with it typically get ran over

this is the latest team i’ve made https://pokepast.es/e1eb61b4d3cc621e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[muted canyon]

thats typically chansey’s matchup but i got you

[wise hatch]

they often run taunt now

[muted canyon]

must be because i’m at like 1300 because i’ve yet to see that

[gritty scaffold]

idt rain dance is the way

think of suicune like gyarados in someway

it will try to set upcms and try sweep

ofc both very diff

[muted canyon]

no wait azelf is only these because i had qwilfish on the last team

[muted canyon]

so what do i put around it

[gritty scaffold]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jirachees-dpp-ou-invitational-team-set-dump-thread.3723585/#post-9682768 id recommend looking in this thread to get a reference on good cune teams

note this was pre champ ban but still those teams should still be ok even post champ shift i belive

[rich cloud]

max hp chansey flying move skarm and this is good to go

could also go twave chansey

or blissey

[opal beacon]

Damn everyone got it before me

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/3d2d360837a24062 made this in 2021

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

It's what carried me early on lol

[opal beacon]

Lol
This looks good

Tbh

Sun can get a bit tricky after peli gets low but that's with every rain I suppose

Yea this looks good LOL

Tho this team loses to bulu

[limber stone]

Yep

[cobalt vigil]

Offensive CM Suicune fits on offensive squads; think of Heatran, offensive Latias, Gengar, Metagross. Tyranitar and Jirachi are also great. https://pokepast.es/69670221b6e050fc this is an example to giev you an idea, but there are many others.
As a rule of thumb, avoid pairing fully offensive pokemon (Azelf / CB Sizor / Offensive Suicune ) with fully defensive ones (blissey/restalk rotom), it's a pacing mismatch.

[muted canyon]

this is the team now after taking some inspo from you and the team dump

https://pokepast.es/37cbb325db32e18f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

feels a bit weak to tar

maybe i shoudlnt have posted that teamdump might be too complex for newer players like you. id recommend just following oipon advice. i just dislike leaving out things unfinished

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/2449f555f522e4dd feels like i might've over cooked here

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

ash gren might be tough but eh

[opal beacon]

ye its tough

also no scarfer

[limber stone]

Idk what to do

Maybe scarf lele>koko

[opal beacon]

what will that accomplish

single defogger when there is volc and a pinsir is kinda okayish tbh

u are looking at a more offensive structure @limber stone

with z chomp

mega pinsir

volc

and suddenly u have a spdef jirachi

and a non screens koko

[limber stone]

It's hwish+psyspam check+kinda matches the pace with the team style, or i thought it would anyways

[limber stone]

Idk scarf speed control and anti synergy with pinsir 😭

That was dumb of me

[limber stone]

Maybe I can make this a sort of koko lucha bird spam or something

But then garchomp won't fit on that maybe

Hm

https://pokepast.es/b2b66f347eb22ada maybe

Maybe sedge pinsir

So pinsir and lucha beat down koko and zap for each other

[opal beacon]

this is better

aight try this one

[limber stone]

Ok

[muted canyon]

https://pokepast.es/4540c22beca50abc

so something like this?

[muted canyon]

does this take care of the ttar weakness?

https://pokepast.es/2b5cbcb998cf63d1

[gritty scaffold]

I mean idt u needed to change the team entirely

I just wasnt sure on wish cm rachi

Like wish 3 atks might be better on this team

[muted canyon]

oh

wait i think i have the old one

https://pokepast.es/37cbb325db32e18f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[muted canyon]

i didnt wanna ping him

but

say i do smthn like tbolt, psychic, and like, shadow ball?

[gritty scaffold]

I was thinking on iron head , bslam , fire punch

[muted canyon]

do you think that’ll synergize more with this team?

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/jirachi/

[gritty scaffold]

Yes bc the team does enjoy paralysis to outspeed things

[muted canyon]

okay i’ll run with that

should i use breloom or infernape for the ttar check

[gritty scaffold]

Oh its better ping him im not that reliable but i just dislike leaving out things unfinished

[gritty scaffold]

Nah scizor + rachi is good enough

Infernape and breloom are more frailer

[muted canyon]

still good to have this information cause i’m new to this generation

anything helps

[limber stone]

This doesn't look like a ho

[muted canyon]

wdym

what is it missing

[opal beacon]

no this is not an HO, this is just heavy hitters togethere
u were doing

[opal beacon]

synergy

Lando good
Mag good

Kart not bad

others are random

[muted canyon]

okay so say I were to drop the rest

how would I replace them

[opal beacon]

lemme send u something

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-sample-teams.3762173/post-10494516
@muted canyon read this post - the playstyles should give u an idea on how to approach team building

after that I want you to think of the rest 3 mons yourself

and after that I will help u

[muted canyon]

alright

[nova mortar]

https://pokepast.es/00d60cca2d4ed3ed gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nova mortar]

i thinking of removing Magearna for Tangrowth

[opal beacon]

nah mag is fine

u need an av wall and it helps vs kommo and other special attackers

but I would replace mew

its mid outside of HO

u could remove the ttar

it seems random

and just go with pyspam with alakzam and scarf kartana

[karmic geyser]

OverUsed (Gen 7)

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Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[opal beacon]

but if the end goal is to build something new then you could read the analyses of the mons and specfically in the teammates option find pokemon which go well togethere

that's a good start and will help

[muted canyon]

https://pokepast.es/eb83df2ac69f222c

is this any better, I wanted to make this team around kart so I gave him a terrain setter, and heatran to cover ice and other fire types, landot as the main lead, lopunny hits dark types that lele aren’t fast enough to beat and i believe heatran should wall most of lopunny’s threats and if not lele or landot should finish them off

[nova mortar]

my team is weak to Kartana, should i remove mew with Kommo-o

[nova mortar]

i am going to make a new team with adding alakzam and kartana

[opal beacon]

that would be similar to the sample team but sure

https://pokepast.es/bbedbb46632504a6 here @nova mortar
or
https://pokepast.es/47804a104892e59f

[opal beacon]

the concept of HO is not fully being utilised in here

but ngl the 5 seems nice and I would change the lando set a bit

[nova mortar]

it is very similar one major change is i have mega t tar

[opal beacon]

ye but mega ttar is a bit random on your team

no real synergy

so u can just use this one

its better

[muted canyon]

what exactly is HO cause I feel like there is something that I’m just not grasping☠️

[opal beacon]

did u read what I sent

[muted canyon]

yeah

[muted canyon]

this right

[upper plume]

In general, HO doesn't commonly feature multiple Pokemon that have Choice items and, if they use Pokemon that can take hits, will provide other forms of useful utility like pivoting and Healing Wish. Here, Heatran doesn't provide any pivoting and you have choiced bulu and lele

[opal beacon]

yes

[upper plume]

but what alpha is saying is that you could change the lando-t set and it would just be better as a regular offensive team

[muted canyon]

okay genuine misunderstanding on my part i genuinely thought you wanted me to study the HO teams I didn’t peep the breakdowns at the bottom, very sorry about that

[opal beacon]

nws

[muted canyon]

so like uturn, chilly reception and flip turn

[upper plume]

does AV Mag fit on SM HO?

[opal beacon]

nope

its shift gear/cm only

[upper plume]

the main thing I was thinking of was Gen 5 Jirachi

which can use Healing Wish on HO as a support Pokemon

[karmic geyser]

Healing Wish (Gen 9)

The user faints, and if the Pokemon brought out to replace it does not have full HP or has a non-volatile status condition, its HP is fully restored along with having any non-volatile status condition cured. The replacement is sent out at the end of the turn, and the healing happens before hazards take effect. This effect continues until a Pokemon that meets either of these conditions switches in at the user's position or gets swapped into the position with Ally Switch. Fails if the user is the last unfainted Pokemon in its party.

Type

Psychic

Category

Non-Damaging

Power

0

Accuracy

0

PP

10 (16)

Priority

0

Target

Self

Flags

• Prevented from being executed or selected during Psychic Noise's effect.
• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be stolen from the original user and instead used by another Pokemon using Snatch.

[muted canyon]

so if i replaced rock slide with like, uturn on landot and changed the items on bulu and lele it would be considered HO?

also lele isn’t supposed to be choiced its supposed to be twisted spoon

[upper plume]

Alpha would be better suited to answer that q

[limber stone]

it doesnt?

[opal beacon]

realistically HO is supposed to have all out offenses, sometimes u might think an av mag can help take hits and it might fit on some rare builds

eg extra and psyspam it might fight

other HO's not really

[limber stone]

yea

[opal beacon]

you will see cm or shift gear in other teams

these are some exceptions bcoz the remaining mons in itself hit so hard

[limber stone]

cm is the majority of them yea

[opal beacon]

u can afford to fit it

eg extra
koko - kyurem - medi - lucha

U dont need the added power of a cm gear

psyspam
medi - demon mon , zam - kart

kommo

[limber stone]

yea

av mag is so good, it can be used on so much

[opal beacon]

other teams arent like that

mew ho

u cant do av mag on that

its counter productive to the concept of HO

same for exca hos which have shift gear mags

[opal beacon]

ye its one of the brokens

but it also handles brokens to some extent

tapus would have free reign without it

[limber stone]

oh yea mew ho is like a more "regular" ho

idk how to describe it

[limber stone]

mzam too

[opal beacon]

yea ik what you mean

[opal beacon]

this would have lead to every team having a chansey - scarf kart and lando

[limber stone]

lando?

[opal beacon]

scarf lando

for the zam

and for gaining momentum

but again this is all hypothetical

[limber stone]

oh scarf kart or lando yea

[opal beacon]

nothing is getting banned

tho I really thought they might unban

landorus

[karmic geyser]

Landorus (Gen 9)

Typing

Ground / Flying

Abilities

0: Sand Force | H: Sheer Force

Base Stats (BST: 600)

89 / 125 / 90 / 115 / 80 / 101

Weight

68 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

Male Only

[limber stone]

nah charmflash was on something that day idk

[opal beacon]

nah I could see it getting unbanned tbh

but I think it would be broken

[karmic geyser]

Medicham-Mega (Gen 9)

Typing

Fighting / Psychic

Abilities

0: Pure Power

Base Stats (BST: 510)

60 / 100 / 85 / 80 / 85 / 100

Weight

31.5 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[opal beacon]

faster than medicham

THREAT

[limber stone]

yea lando-i is stupidly broken

but ig if centralisation would make the tier less "i lose to random shit"

maybe?

[opal beacon]

this is real

sm is so vast

LOL

every team is weak to something

xtra is weak to scizor
psyspam to cress and something
weather wars
manaphy kyub fucks all
Offenses everywhere

[limber stone]

when u think the team is goodbut then its weak to some random stuff like mamo or something and then u face it on ladder 😭

[opal beacon]

sand gaining mometum cant run latias

mamo demon

[limber stone]

has happened to me many times

[opal beacon]

I like

[limber stone]

yea mamo is a demon

[uncut warren]

Hello ! I wanted your thoughts on this team, it's a small change from a sample team of a Fairy Spam and I wanted to know if you have any suggestions about the Tapu Fini set or something else

https://pokepast.es/d32071a32bac51ee

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uncut warren]

I have a bit of trouble placing Tapu Fini so maybe going for a bulkier more support role?

[limber stone]

Just use the original

[uncut warren]

I already do

It's based off this one so it's a bit different

[limber stone]

Yea this one is a ho esque team

[uncut warren]

Yeah I like the core of it but I don't always want to play HO

[limber stone]

And what u made is idek

[uncut warren]

It's an offense isn't it ?

I mean if you don't like it I'm here to hear you about it

But I just want to try building it myself

Off an already potent team

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/f329671b314308ea

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @worldly walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

ask me if you want to know smth

[worldly walrus]

damn why am i the only rater now

ill look at this 1 sec

[worldly walrus]

I feel like you struggle into Volcarona a lot with this team and I'd recommend a specially defensive Ttar, and on that same note you should be running Sand Rush excadrill on this team

Also your Excadrill has hidden power fire ivs for some reason it seems??

[quartz remnant]

lol??

[worldly walrus]

also what is chople for

on kyub

[quartz remnant]

lemme change that

[worldly walrus]

I also dont like that kyub set in general

on sand

i feel like you're hindering your own longevity

[quartz remnant]

huh

thats a very good question

[worldly walrus]

with leftovers you at least get more subs off though

and negate sand

[quartz remnant]

why do i have chople berry

[worldly walrus]

lowk i dont mess with kyub here though

because getting rocks off of the field is very important for it

and scarf exca isnt a consistent spinner

[worldly walrus]

which is fine, scarf exca as your only spinner is okay

but not with a mon like kyub who really hates rocks

esp with this set

[quartz remnant]

alright, i see

i have a devious idea

[worldly walrus]

ive seen teams pretty similar to this before and it runs terrak in that slot

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/f2ff19c9eaf89263
snipe the latios and lando -> win with exca

[limber stone]

Just make this shoka ground spam with scarf chomp>kb and sd drill>scarf

[quartz remnant]

overcook?

[limber stone]

And sub grav lando

[quartz remnant]

shoka groundspam

[limber stone]

Yes

[quartz remnant]

speak english please

[worldly walrus]

also make exca sand force

[quartz remnant]

oh right

[limber stone]

Shoka is th player

[quartz remnant]

my bad

[worldly walrus]

i feel like you should make exca scarf still

[quartz remnant]

double scarf?

[worldly walrus]

if you really want to use kyub here i'd say run band

[quartz remnant]

actually

baton pass celebi into band kyurem

might be a cool idea

but you could snipe a lot of stuff with scarf kyub

for one thing

it would be good vs rain

and HO as well, sort of

lock into ice beam is fine

since you got ttar + sand

could probably make it sedge ttar

[worldly walrus]

i dont recommend sedge

just run rock slide

also i feel like you should run +spdef

[quartz remnant]

kk

do you have a +spdef set?

[worldly walrus]

Tyranitar @ Chople Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Crunch
• Pursuit
• Thunder Wave
• Ice Beam

you can run like this

you can run rock slide over ice beam

and change sassy to whatever +spdef - spatk is

[quartz remnant]

okay, thanks

[quartz remnant]

tysm btw ❤️

[worldly walrus]

yw

[gritty scaffold]

thats sure weird

maybe i should comeback from retirement though i doubt i would be accepted again to rate teams

[worldly walrus]

did everyone just get tired of troll teams or something

😭

[gritty scaffold]

i have no idea

[uncut warren]

Not everyone has the patience to actually explain something

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/ee8ab645db1fb414

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @frigid idol, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid idol]

Hey,

first thing I noticed is that it doesnt have a Mega, which is a bid odd. I think you should add one there.
With the Lando, Chomp, and Drill I would have prefered a more solid check to Weavile than Azu and Balloon Heatran.
Ice-types can relatively pressure the team a lot.
Since everything is offensive fast physical attackers like Mega Lopunny can put your team under a lot of pressure too.
Fast Flying-types like Thundurus or Tornadus-T can also put a lot of pressure on your team, especially since Heatran is air balloon. This also weakens your MU against Serperior. Once your opponent has Rocks up he can pressure your Heatran rather quickly, in order for Serp to have a good MU. To be fair Scarf Lando and Latias can somewhat cover it.
But I think first you would need to figure out the Mega situation

[limber stone]

I thought this type of team could go without a mega but ig not

I did have mvenu in mind but it doesn't fit on offensive teams

[rich cloud]

it does fit on offense

you can run growth 3a

[opal beacon]

pretty much what paprika said

very weak to ice types

and also no mega

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/43b0968e4ef87b90

Maybe

[limber stone]

@rich cloud check this out

Or @opal beacon

[rich cloud]

something feels off

[limber stone]

Scarf rocks?

[quartz remnant]

scarf rocks is fine

sv tech

[opal beacon]

Seen it

It's an insane momentum sink tho

[opal beacon]

Idk, this doesn't look bad

But Idk what it is exactly missing
Ig

@frigid idol might have better insights

[frigid idol]

yeah I agree, its usually not what you want

[limber stone]

Well I can't get rocks anywhere else

Chomp needs all the coverage

[opal beacon]

that's the thing, I think this is as far as u can get

:/

[limber stone]

You sure?

Welp

[opal beacon]

Well I don't see a way out tbh

[limber stone]

Anyways

https://pokepast.es/e85f0c02112d5661

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @frigid idol, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

My favourite duo to use in sm ou

Tried to make it work in oras

[frigid idol]

Running Heatran in an hyper-offensive structure is generally suboptimal. Its slower pace becomes is often too passive for a team that ideally wants to apply constant pressure. In this case, Heatran is your Stealth Rock setter—but it's not an ideal choice for that role on a hyper-offensive team. It's relatively slow and evnethough with Air Balloon it can deliver immediate pressure and be a threatining presence it can be abused by your opponent. The main issue with relying on Heatran for Stealth Rocks is that it often allows opposing teams to get their own rocks up. This is problematic because your only form of hazard removal is a Defog Latias, which is locked into a Choice Scarf. That limitation makes it extremely predictable and passive, especially in a fast-paced game where momentum is very important and considering your team structure you really want to keep opposing Stealth Rock of the field.

Using Trick on Scarf Latias can be problematic too. In theory, you might land a Trick on something like an Excadrill, but in practice, the value is often minimal or can even backfire, enabling your opponent to pivot around or regain control easily. It adds another layer of passivity to a team that already struggles to maintain momentum. If you would remove Heatran you should be aware of the likes of Weavile, whos Ice-Type attacks are not super contested.

In my opinion, what this team desperately needs is an additional Stealth Rock setter—preferably one that doesn't compromise your offensive flow. A faster rocker or one that fits more naturally into a high-pressure playstyle would help patch up this weakness without slowing the team down.

Another major concern is your matchup against Thundurus. It's a serious threat to your entire team: it outspeeds and pressures every member, and you lack a solid answer. Right now, your only game plan is to try and get screens up—hoping you don’t get Taunted or hit with Thunder Wave in the process—then pivot into Charizard, pray you don’t get paralyzed, and attempt to revenge kill it. That’s a shaky line at best, and it’s highly prone to failure.

Overall, your team is threatend by the hazard control and a critical weakness to fast, disruptive special attackers like Thundurus. Reworking your Stealth Rock options and adding more reliable counterplay to top threats would go a long way toward improving consistency. The combination of Charizard-X and offensive Garchomp can work out, especially when combined with a Healing Wish provided by Latias, that also checks Water-types like Keldeo. The Azu also fits the team well. I would dive a bit to see if you can work around the Heatran thing. Maybe you give it a few test runs and see how it feels.

[wise hatch]

Biggest thing with using offense is you need mega lopunny counterplay and it can’t be switching latias once per game

[limber stone]

Will making heatran a helmet lando fix these issues

Tho the thundy mu doesn't improve that much

[lusty grove]

https://pokepast.es/8435d919b5027da2

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lusty grove]

Found this deep in the Sample team comments

i would want advice on if either magearna for heatran, or greninja for bulu would work better in this specific team

[opal beacon]

No if u reaplce bulu for all those, u will lose to rain

It is pretty much walling swampert, gren on its own

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/305012b01b0a9c61 this feels so wrong but this probably the best my tiny brain is capable of

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @frigid idol, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

I was thinking about using drill somewhere but don't know what set to use

So latias doesn't have to do 3 different things per game

[frigid idol]

The Landorus-T is nice and helps to cover the weakness to physical attackers like Lopunny. I think you should make it run Imprison over Stone Edge, to increase your chances to keep Rocks off the field. Also, it still has Hidden Power Ice IVs, so you should probably change that.

Thundurus with Yache Berry is a nice idea. You'll have to see if Yache Berry is worth it, to use instead of Leftovers. But it will surely help with the likes of Weavile

Screens Lati is a nice idea too. You'll have to see if you get along with that. Playing it you have to mindfull that others could use it as a setup opportunity, since it can threaten nothing.

A bit of an issue is that you don't have Thunder Wave on the whole team to slow a potential target down. You'll have to see if you have enough speed control. But I don't think this is a primary issue, so from my point of view this team deserves some testing.

[lusty grove]

What about an alternative mon that could fulfill the same role such as high spdef invested av tangrowth

[opal beacon]

why do u waana replace bulu tho

is there anything that u are looking to achieve with it?

av tang in that structure doesnt seem ideal

tbh tang is so rare currently bcoz people are spamming a lot of zard teams

and av tang will still drop to psyshock lele

[mystic nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/62b52168509d01aa

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @upper plume, @worldly walrus, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

What are you trying to build exactly

Bc all i see is 3 unviable mons

Even weavile was just niche at best when gems were allowed

[mystic nacelle]

yeah ngl i tried the team a bit and weavile seemed useless

[gritty scaffold]

Also life orb starmie is pretty bad

Most just run ballon

Id recommend take a look at the viability ranking first before building a team

[mystic nacelle]

ok

[karmic geyser]

OverUsed (Gen 5)

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[gritty scaffold]

Here

[mystic nacelle]

thanks

[gritty scaffold]

Np try build again around something

Its usually easier to help when we know what your focus is

[mystic nacelle]

whats generally considered a win con for singles

bc i was running a sample hail team before and it was pretty ok but i wanted to make a team myself

[gritty scaffold]

Reuniclus , alakazam , latios can be considered wincons for example

As they tend to stick to the lategame

Volcarona , dnite too even if they fit on ho

Which is faster paced

Keldeo aswell

Just think of wincons for example as something fast that can pose a threat to your opp team or sometimes a set up sweeper

Sometimes a scarfer can act as wincon if played right.

[mystic nacelle]

thanks a lot

[gritty scaffold]

Anytime

[lusty grove]

i just feel its not a good option for that team

It highk may js be the set

[karmic geyser]

Monotype (Gen 9)

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Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

Monotype (Gen 8)

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Overview

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National Dex Monotype (Gen 9)

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PU (Gen 9)

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For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[oblique cipher]

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Rage
• Earthquake
• Poison Jab
• Swords Dance

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Close Combat
• Protect
• Thunder Punch

Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Crunch
• Stone Edge
• Pursuit
• Earthquake

Toxapex @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature

• Scald
• Haze
• Recover
• Toxic Spikes

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Spikes
• Leech Seed
• Power Whip
• Protect

Excadrill @ Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Iron Head
• Rapid Spin
• Swords Dance

[oblique cipher]

Can someone help me improve my team using minimal changes?

I'm down with changing any pokemon outside of Garchomp blaziken and Tyranitar for personal reasons

[upper plume]

Which tier is this for?

[oblique cipher]

Tier?

Im sorry i just got into the game idk what you're talking about

[upper plume]

Do you know which ladder you want to battle with this team for?

On Pokemon Showdown

[oblique cipher]

No

[upper plume]

You've built this team on Pokemon Showdown, correct?

[oblique cipher]

Yes

[upper plume]

Then try doing

!shareteam

[karmic geyser]

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[upper plume]

Try following these directions and post the team here

[oblique cipher]

Aight wait

https://pokepast.es/671c2b4f12245a84

[karmic geyser]

Hey @oblique cipher, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[oblique cipher]

Bruh

[lusty grove]

https://pokepast.es/fd38956906919cf2

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lusty grove]

back again with a gen 7 dog team...

would also want to know how mandatory is it to have a z move here

[opal beacon]

Why scarf it's plenty fast

I would rather band for the damage

[opal beacon]

Mega blastoise is a meme

And new is bad outside HO

I would start again tbh

Zydog teams are hard to build

I have seen like only one decent dog team ever