Old Gens OU

[upper plume]

@candid prairie wdyt

[dense dawn]

https://pokepast.es/039d902d8befab77

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @low jasper, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense dawn]

the first time I’ve ever built a team in gen 8, but the sample teams are so disappointing that I thought I might as well

[tender coral]

how are the sample teams disappointing

especially when compared to a BO with no steels lol

[dense dawn]

idk it’s just hard to navigate and of the few balance teams that I’ve seen, none of them are really my thing

[dense dawn]

ok so should i add magnezone?

[tender coral]

hard to navigate when using them or when using the page?

[dense dawn]

2nd one

[tender coral]

there's also like 30 teams there

[dense dawn]

i don’t know which “in-between” team is balance, or offense, or bulky offense

it’s just hard to navigate you get me

[tender coral]

ah okay, that's fair

I'll see what I can do for the update in June, thank you for the feedback

[dense dawn]

Alright no problem!

anyways what are some suggestions for the team?

should I add Magnezone?

[fickle tulip]

heatran

Or ferrothorn

[dense dawn]

ok

for future reference why would that be good

[fickle tulip]

Trying to think of what they go over but you need stealth rock + they have actually good bulk

[dense dawn]

Ah I see

ok so I think I can keep rillaboom as it’s one of my 2 setup mons

landorus is my removal

urshifu-blacephalon is my offensive core

[fickle tulip]

I think heatran or ferro goes over tapu fini here?

[dense dawn]

Alright

thank you!!!

[tender coral]

yeah I second what Avery said

you could probably fit a bird over Tapu Koko, e.g. Zapdos

[limber stone]

clearly

you havent used ox fsight bo

[tender coral]

team is pretty vulnerable to a well-played Kartana atm

[dense dawn]

i see…

kart doesn’t SD, does it?

[tender coral]

and adrenaline orb just murks you when you try using Landorus to pivot on it

[dense dawn]

if it does I think I can lose to it really easy

[tender coral]

it does

arguably its best set

[dense dawn]

ohhh yikes

[limber stone]

based set

[dense dawn]

i think I’m just going to pivot in blacephalon

[limber stone]

say what now

[fickle tulip]

I like defensive zapdos here

team js weak to rillaboom and blaziken

[tender coral]

252 Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blacephalon: 156-185 (63.1 - 74.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

also Kartana likes clicking knock off

[dense dawn]

ok so

how will defensive zap like Avery suggested impact my kart matchup?

as well as rillaboom and blaziken?

[limber stone]

zap beats kart

def zap is just the goat

[dense dawn]

lol ikr

probably THE overused goat

[gritty scaffold]

if your gonna use milotic your better off using stally teams . like this for example https://pokepast.es/8cdc78b2d46f0515

milotic doesnt enjoy sand most of the time

id recommend trying to building again

also that team ur using is owned by cm suicune tbh

[lofty estuary]

https://pokepast.es/ec70dd216e1404a0

(Gen 3 OU) Some changes, would blaziken over breloom be better?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @candid prairie, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder plinth]

Choice band fake out is bad

• countless other problems

[lofty estuary]

Fake has helped in some occasions, but being locked in sucks yeah

Thoughts on throwing lefties and bulk up? Although if I'm Baton passing on an attack she probably isn't living a second

Maybe just an atk berry and a 4th attacking move

Actually would probably be able to keep it in that scenario

Endure reveral seems pretty neat but no way to remove sandstorm

Actually ninja can learn sunny day, could remove giga drain but lose the ability to revenge swamp or 1v1 the defensive version

[silent edge]

The paper sword has some nasty moves on the dance floor

[bitter echo]

Hello, I'm goofy goobering around with some Agilitypass strats I was messing around with in Gen II, seeing how they might translate to Gen III. It's a bit of a haphazard hyper-offense team: https://pokepast.es/cff97142cdfe4ba0

I'm considering swapping Smeargle for Jolteon. Spore loss sucks, but as a lead it threatens Skarm leads, which can force a switch-out and give me a free Agility or Spikes

I did not know Jolteon does not get Spikes, I thought it got it for some reason

[limber stone]

[bitter echo]

dont teambuild at 1am

[rancid raft]

https://pokepast.es/8d7740c6dcf6fa4e getting into dpp, is this a good hstack?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @candid prairie, @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal smelt]

Running two ghosts is overkill

Lead azelf shouldnt really be on this team

I'd rescope it to pert leading probably

And choosing to remove wash or gar depending on my other last slot

You're like turbo owned by gyarados atm which isnt nice

[maiden quiver]

2 ghosts?

[limber stone]

Rotom wash

[maiden quiver]

Isnt rotom wash Electric water?

[upper plume]

Not in Gen 4

[tall wedge]

All Rotom forms have ghost in Gen 4

[mossy plinth]

https://pokepast.es/bd60db0f7ad0e656 T-Spikes Hyper Offense
https://pokepast.es/af9acf4115de565d T-Spikes Semi-Stall
Coming from Gen 3 and 7 OU trying to get into Gen 4.
Took a spin at making some teams with no meta game context other then jirachi latias gyarados scary

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @candid prairie, @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt vigil]

Team 2 has no tools against Clefable. The most popular way to deal with Clefable ona defensive team is to use your own Clefable

[cobalt vigil]

Nidoking is unviable, and you need Taunt support for Gyarados (Azelf is great). You can try belt / LO ape and replace Latias with a steel type. Generaly you want at least 2 steels on a DPP Team

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/f3b48012cbe25517
I wanted to build around DD Kingdra, but I found that I wasn't sure how to switch into Waters and Celebi. I figured that Latias would be a good pick, but I'm not sure where to fit it (maybe over Gengar?)

@candid prairie

or @cobalt vigil

[lofty estuary]

https://pokepast.es/8cd9ec637508c5d2

Gen 3 OU, thoughts?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @candid prairie, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-clouds-of-smoke-gif-17216934

[candid prairie]

dd kingdra rlly wants spikes imo (needs all the help it can get)

can do lead rose with ttar in the back

[upper plume]

I see

Would that be SR Tar?

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/2bd026ba2cd85a42

what about something like this

[candid prairie]

i think u just lead rose and drop pert

w passho ttar as the rocker

[upper plume]

gotcha

what should I do as a cleaner?

does agiligross still work?

[lofty estuary]

For cb forretress, is there a better move over hp bug?

[stiff sail]

CB?

[toxic gulch]

Chesto Berry pershap?

[limber stone]

Choice band

[limber stone]

Idt meme teams get rated

[lofty estuary]

Is it really a meme though? It seems to put out alot of work, destroying ttar, jolt, mag, dug, non exploding metagross, ect. What's it take for what seems to be a meme to be taken seriously? If I'm just copying the best teams for everything what's there to rate? There's a clear end goal, paving the path for a registeel finish, I don't understand the point of this if the only thing being rated is the best

[upper plume]

you're saying Choice Band Forretress right?

[lofty estuary]

Which is definitely out of the ordinary, but yes

[static yacht]

what are the details of the set and what's the team

[lofty estuary]

https://pokepast.es/8cd9ec637508c5d2

After playing more, I feel like I get destroyed by spore sub breloom(for some reason it's posting steels old evs, he has 56 ATK and 176 SDef)

[static yacht]

what is the point of this team

genuine question

what is the appeal

[lofty estuary]

Originally to pave way to a registeel finish, I assume like a hyper offense? I'm not good with the terminology. I've always loved the Regis, and when I had both I thought about an explosion team to keep people from roaring out regi while he sets up. I originally had a normal spikes explode forre on here, but they never really did much and alot of things switched into it that registeel doesn't like, so I thought of an offensive variant to lure them in. It's still early in development with the teams, alot will probably change

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/02f3ac82664c1d20

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

scarf garchomp is weak

but this team could use a rh set since fini and lop both click and kill when they enter

[toxic gulch]

Terrorist ahh team

[opal beacon]

but u would want speed control I assume?

also pain split and berry dont make sense to me

gotta be lefties and split or only berry with defog instead could help

ik the analsysis says pain split but I am never a fan of that one

and also mzam is a problem

[limber stone]

Scarf chomp is also what I'm trying to build around

[opal beacon]

its really not that good rn

in a time where cress is eveyrhwere with gliscor, I wouldnt recommend it at all

[limber stone]

If i pair it with teammates that deal with these issues can it work

[opal beacon]

I think u know that already

[opal beacon]

maybe, u would need a magearna to not lose to mzam

that's a must

u need hazard control

so deffogers

[limber stone]

Ok

[opal beacon]

also something to not lose to skarm

since it comes in for free everytime

[limber stone]

I was considering using z kyurem black

Over xard

But eh

[opal beacon]

choice scarf helps u outspeed zard and volcarona at +1

that's on advatnage

[limber stone]

Ye

[opal beacon]

so maybe work on these issues and ping me again?

rememeber mzam , skarmory

[limber stone]

Alright

👍

[opal beacon]

cheers

[lofty estuary]

For the time being, golem is pretty powerful with his rock slide and eq but prolly going to take him out

[limber stone]

I completely forgot about this 😔

[opal beacon]

Nws lol take ur time

[karmic geyser]

OU (Gen 7)

• Sample Teams
• Viability Rankings
• Speed Tiers
• Role Compendium
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[polar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/dustin-dustin-poirier-poirier-shadow-boxing-shadow-box-gif-24348544

[upper plume]

So uh only one of these Pokemon is viable in Gen 5 OU

and mono fighting just makes you awful into Reuniclus and Alakazam

[limber stone]

Bro picked the worst gen for this 😭

Don't even have any of the actually good fighters

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/c05faefa35a22187

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

No mega, scarf chomp is bad

[opal beacon]

They know about the scarf chomp being bad

[opal beacon]

.

[tropic schooner]

Well at least shouldnt use that set then

Thats a weird set

Like the moveset

[limber stone]

couldnt really think on one which would fit

[limber stone]

what is weird about it

[opal beacon]

Rocks with both Ferro and chomp

Maybe go hp ice?

Or iron head for the clef ?

[limber stone]

My thought process was that if I was using this weak set, I need rocks to up be for chipping everything in range for it to clean up considering how chomp forces switches and thus gets opportunities rock

[opal beacon]

Chomp switches are usually rotom, lando and fini

All of which will cause a momentum sink for u

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/f5b70ecbed439848

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

whats with me making mzam weak teams lol

[opal beacon]

this is indeed mzam weak

[opal beacon]

252 SpA Alakazam-Mega Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 214-252 (60.7 - 71.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
twave

on ferro can help

assuming u dont miss

also maybe vswitch greater then discharge

helps u get momentum

and why hp grass

scared of toad, gastro and swampert?

[limber stone]

mpert

ye

[opal beacon]

just roost up

hp grass means u get walled by gliscor and lando

no one stays in most of the time

[limber stone]

ye im thinking bout this too

[opal beacon]

but u also get walled by chomp

[limber stone]

does that really work in practice

[opal beacon]

yea

static is heavy favoured

rh zap

would help

vs lop too

and kart

[limber stone]

makes sense

[opal beacon]

and medi

u want medi chipped a lot

twave on ferro for the zam makes sense

[limber stone]

over knock?

[opal beacon]

0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Alakazam-Mega: 174-205 (69.3 - 81.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
this does good

but

if terrain is up

u are screwed

since no scared on the team

scarfer*

[limber stone]

i can remove volc for like scarf blaceph?

[opal beacon]

and get owned by sand, prolly not

[limber stone]

true

lol

scarf gren

[opal beacon]

tempting

could work

but then again loss of power

and also

the pex is a problem

gren also helps vs bro

I think u can try

zone + lop core

zone helps vs ferro, steela and the annoying skarm

and also pex doesnt like it

[limber stone]

hm

what do i remove for zone tho

[opal beacon]

start fresh

[limber stone]

ok

[opal beacon]

u will then figure it out

see for example with lop and zone

u realise u are weak to zap

so now something for zap to come in on

[limber stone]

ye alr

[opal beacon]

oh yea also rememebr lop doesnt like status

so u need to find a way to handle pex + take twave/scald

[midnight beacon]

Heya. I'm new to Showdown, though I have some competitive Pokémon experience from other formats. Trying to get into gen 4 ou by using the Zapdos HO team from the sample teams forum thread, https://pokepast.es/aea44ac913f67a00

I've been playing a fair bit with this, and I'm happy enough with the core gameplay of Azelf leading, then finding a setup opportunity for Gyara/Ttar and sweeping, but I feel I'm not making the rest of the team work for me enough. Metagross does a bit of work as a defensive switch-in and can get some surprises with Trick/Explosion, but doesn't seem to have much impact beyond this. Zapdos sometimes cleans/revenges, but almost never finds chance to set up Agility and doesn't seem to sweep well by itself (and has died to LO/Ttar's sand on more than one occasion). And Jirachi has never done anything except be my last mon standing and hopefully be able to trade, because I never see good setup opportunities for it and it seems just a bit too slow to sweep even if it gets CM off.

Maybe part of my problem comes from lacking meta knowledge + no team preview, so I usually struggle to guess what else my opponent has, but any tips (or if a write-up for this sample team exists, a link to that) would be brilliant

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @candid prairie, @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

Isnt wacan berry on gyara better here

Also how do you plan handling latias

Because this team doesnt look like can handle it well at all

[limber stone]

It's a sample team

[cobalt vigil]

5. Make sure that the team being posted is yours; do not ask for a rate for a team you did not build, including sample teams, tour players, and youtubers. This also includes any modifications to the teams, raters will simply tell you to use the original version.

As far as gameplay goes, it's a simple tunnel of Azelf -> Zapdos/Gyara -> Metagross -> Tyranitar/Jirachi.
Who you send first is based on your setup opportunities. Keep in mind that you have a limited array of options with this team, so it's not a big deal if you lose a few games here and there due to a bad matchup.

[midnight beacon]

Sorry, I did state clearly that it was a sample team, and was hoping for gameplay notes rather than "rating", but it's my bad if I'm not using the channel for its correct purpose. Thanks for the input though, Oipon!

[karmic geyser]

Hey @dreamy musk, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldex team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059714627384115290 instead.

[gray frigate]

https://pokepast.es/b9c08441c62795ff
I built a fun adv ou stall team specifically to feature butterfree, but i'm having fun with the core of fast roar suicune + wishrachi + skarmdol, does anyone have any advice on other mons/sets to make this team more "serious"

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @candid prairie, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vivid kraken]

add magearna with z drago chomp

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/16648ebccd3895d0

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

hawlucha

does a number

and z victini owns

[limber stone]

there are so many threats 😭

[opal beacon]

I would go scarf zone

and then do z serp

maybe hp ground so u dont get walled by heatran?

what do u think

sounds a bit cheesy but could work

[opal beacon]

sadly thats SM OU

also

assuming ur cress check if cm fini? I would tell u to scout trick cress

if u see a cress my suggestion would be dont mega ur lopunny and instead use it to scout with limber

but otherwise this looks good

some mu's u just cant win :/

pex could get annoying

so be careful with that

very annoying tbh

and also

u lose to zard Y

nothing switches in

ur bet it to glare it with serp, that's it

[opal beacon]

also even then u lose to cm psyshock unless u taunt and make the double switches

[midnight beacon]

https://pokepast.es/1206d3bd7c79d26d An actual, non-sample team this time

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @candid prairie, @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

oh man 😭

[opal beacon]

scarf zone

might help

u just bait solar and go to zone

and then do zone things

but again

its tough

[limber stone]

i changed the zone set like 7 times lol

scarf specs scarf specs z specs z

[opal beacon]

scarf maybe the play ig

looking at ur team

I wouldnt be surprised if the sun team leads lando/char

so u always lead lop

u click fake out

and then u dont switch and u stay and click return

thats ideally what u waana go for

[limber stone]

I won't hv a z-move then

[upper plume]

I personally don't really like how many Choice items are on this hyper offense team

I'd personally go with like SD Scizor and Scarf Latias and then probably drop Flygon for a cleaner like Agility Metagross, Agility Empoleon, or Agility Lucario

You could also experiment with other anti-Jirachi Pokemon like an Infernape or have additional Lum Berry setup sweepers like Dragonite

In general, though, you don't stack Choice items in hyper offense because HO teams are all about having 5 Pokemon that can take out multiple opposing threats so that you overwhelm the opponent

But Choice items at best result in one KO because the opponent will send out another Pokemon that forces out the Choice user

[opal beacon]

z serp it is

[cobalt vigil]

2 steels is the norm in DPP.
Overall it's fine. Latias doesn't rly fit here as it doesn't weaken gyarados' threats and make you even weaker to Jirachi. One idea could be Latias -> Heatran. Heatran - Gyara - Scizor is a good offensive core with its ability to kill Latias and waters for Gyara. Either Shuca, Passho or Lum is fine, just make it carry Taunt to improve your stall matchup

[midnight beacon]

Interesting, cheers folks. Latias has actually been doing pretty amazing - it consistently gets away with bluffing Scarf and specs'd Surf has been doing quite some work on switchins. But I'm willing to try Heatran. I'm not quite clear on how this core beats waters, though - HP Grass on non-Specs Heatran? And DP for Latias? Just standard Trapper build?

[cobalt vigil]

To beat waters like Swampert/Suicune you will likely explode on them with Heatran/Hp grass, and Uturn with scizor

[midnight beacon]

Could I go Grass Knot on Latias? As is, neither of those can easily switch in on me.

252 SpA Choice Specs Latias Draco Meteor vs. 240 HP / 52 SpD Swampert: 313-370 (78 - 92.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Latias Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Suicune: 270-318 (66.8 - 78.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Latias Grass Knot (80 BP) vs. 240 HP / 52 SpD Swampert: 480-568 (119.7 - 141.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Latias Grass Knot (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Suicune: 258-304 (63.8 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Spreads just randomly grabbed from Showdown Calc - I'm too new to know what real world scenarios look like

[cobalt vigil]

Usually Latias is good enough with Draco - Surf, but you can consider it

Grass Knot as been used occasionnaly to beat Tyranitar mostly

[midnight beacon]

Meanwhile Heatran

0- Atk 30 IVs Heatran Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 192-227 (47.5 - 56.1%) -- 26.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA 30 IVs Heatran Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Suicune: 148-176 (36.6 - 43.5%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[cobalt vigil]

Offensive Suicune will be the main threat here

Crocune is almost never played in dpp

This makes Heatran usually good enough

You also gain a Dragon resist and a Jirachi check - both are very valuable in overused

Notably to beat stall teams

Latias is confortable to play with its resistances, but Heatran is most likely the choice here

[midnight beacon]

Interesting. I'll be taking Heatran for a spin, then! Just standard Trapper set?

[cobalt vigil]

Something close to it yes - Fire blast and 3 of Earth Power, HP grass, Taunt and Explosion

You can put some bulk on it, something like 80hp

Feel free to try several sets

Heatran gives you a flexibility with its sets

[midnight beacon]

Why FB over Plume?

[cobalt vigil]

You want to hit hard here - plume is for slower teams like bulky offense or balance that can take advantage of burns in the long run

[midnight beacon]

How bad is Quiet Eruption?

[cobalt vigil]

It's pretty bad

Players have tried it with specs but no consistent use in tournaments

[midnight beacon]

👍

[cobalt vigil]

Overheat already hits really hard :p

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/66a1a72fb858491e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

okay this looks good

cress check - yes
zam and lele checks - yes
lop - medi and lucha checks - yes

@limber stone idk the calcs

but make sure enough def on lati

to notlose to +2 lucha

kyub might do a number and claim

so

change the lati set?

[limber stone]

alr

[opal beacon]

or u can just play the sack war

get rocks up

[limber stone]

it does that vs any team with maggron or avalugg

[opal beacon]

asap

[limber stone]

ye

[opal beacon]

yea cant realy defend that mon

its super good

[limber stone]

ye

[opal beacon]

u have a bulu so manaphy is goodf

make sure

to not lose

chomp

for minor claims

and also u dont want tspikes up

[limber stone]

for example?

[opal beacon]

so be smart

[opal beacon]

scald for some eq chip

[limber stone]

ok

[opal beacon]

burn = u lose

[limber stone]

oh right ok

[opal beacon]

unless u are ofc +2

otherwise u are good

[limber stone]

ok

[opal beacon]

cheers

[limber stone]

🙏 🙏

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/5eeb05b536a49b3f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

Me think this doesnt look too bad

[opal beacon]

This looks like the sample
With just heatran> kyurem

Honestly looks good tbh

[limber stone]

The team was built around off tran

After being frustrated at coming up with nothing with grass tran+bulu i switched to fire tran+serp

Heatran is elite this gen

More so than in ss ngl

https://pokepast.es/110e49ea43c2d954 here it is anyways

As always

M zam sucks to run into

Tho I feel like off tran and mtar could work together

[opal beacon]

This is weak to kommo

Did u run into that?

Wouldn't have been a good one

[mint condor]

If you use bulu+heat combination,
Nature power to heat + leftover is another good choice
And this team too vunlerlable to kommo..

[opal beacon]

[limber stone]

This team is dead

[limber stone]

If this is good then I dont need that one

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/4c95a62f8336f0d9 here's more

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

yea its fine

dont see it loasing to anything major

[opal beacon]

standard 6, u want stone edge/fire fang > sub tbh

right I got caught up

so yea u get walled by skarm otherwise, u sure u waana do that?

[opal beacon]

also why no rocks

go rocks on fero and spikes on ninja and drop the ice beam

u arent hitting anything new that specs ninja cant already hit

also missing 4 evs on ferro

[limber stone]

Oh yea I had heatran originally on the team forgot to change that

[limber stone]

Ok

[limber stone]

Sub is so broken into offensive teams

[opal beacon]

what about defensive

how are u planning to break gliscor - skarm

skarms walls chomp and then gliscor and chansey wall zap

it will be very difficult to break

[limber stone]

Right

So with fang chomp i beat that

[opal beacon]

u can do it with spikes up on ninja and ninja doing ninja things

but then u would have to double a lot

to deny defog

[limber stone]

Ye

[opal beacon]

not recommended

[opal beacon]

go fang

[limber stone]

Ok

[opal beacon]

fang the skarm and outrage/z the gliscor easy

[limber stone]

Yep

[opal beacon]

cool try it out and lemme know if u face anything problematic

[opal beacon]

also incase of lele

scout with victini before ferro

incase of focus blast shit

[limber stone]

Alr

[limber stone]

Ok cool

[opal beacon]

u can get to know from damage

if spoon/specs or scarf

or the rare Z

its always better to scout with that

if u can trick with the victini it will be even better

but do it on a mon like chansey/pex

not on rotoms

[limber stone]

Alright

[opal beacon]

cool lemme know how it feels

[limber stone]

🙏

[prime juniper]

https://pokepast.es/1bf70aa7d0f04129 Gen 3 OU, I want to make knock off alakazam work. swords dance pass to aero is a must-run, other than that anything can change. any help appreciated ❤️

[upper plume]

Where is the rock resist

[prime juniper]

i see. i do need a rock resist, usually im just swapping skarm into ttar, but i know its not a real rock redsist

[upper plume]

I'm not sure how I would change the team

aero is typically used alongside spikes

but you're also intent on using knock off alakazam

[prime juniper]

sorry trying to look through some of my options, the competitive choice is probably to run hariyama instead of zam if i need a rock resist, but i really like zams access to recover and synchronize

metagross is fun to use, as well as rachi

if i wanted to run TSS through tar, skarm, swampert and have zam be my special "wall" where would you go from there?

[valid juniper]

Guys I asked chatgpt to build me a team for G7 ou and look
https://pokepast.es/6496a9fd5ae7140c

[upper plume]

to be honest, I would probably have Zam be the cleanup Pokemon, kind of the kind of role Aero would fill

if you were trying to use it on one of those teams

[prime juniper]

calm mind 3 attacks? 4 attack? i really do want to use knock off

[upper plume]

Knock Off probably has merit

[prime juniper]

instead of playing for multiple knockoffs and longevity, bring him in for an early knockoff on something that will switch, to say a blissey or snorlax, and have coverage moves in his other three slots for cleanup?

[raw hornet]

Dont ask chatgpt for teams

[prime juniper]

is lum still a good pick?

[valid juniper]

Mbb

I js don't really know how to teambuild 😔🫠

[raw hornet]

Maybe try sample teams

Teambuilding isnt easy

[upper plume]

feel like if you're going the TSS route, you want Lefties

[opal beacon]

use samples - ladder - get familiar with the mons in the tier and then try ur hand at building

[raw hornet]

^

[opal beacon]

team building requires some understanding of the meta

[valid juniper]

Ok I will

[valid juniper]

Thank youy

You*

[opal beacon]

No Problem!! Tag me if u have doubts regarding SM/ORAS OU

[prime juniper]

https://pokepast.es/b229f1339822f6b6

im thinking to take out swampert, not quite sure what im looking for though

maybe take off agility from metagross and use agility zapdos?

salamence has been sort of fun to use as he usually does something, but not the most fun ever. would be willing to try again

blissey also seems obv but i really dont know. any help apprieciated again

[limber stone]

Tried to fix the grass tran team https://pokepast.es/d85694743fd447b5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Feels refreshing using top tiers

Instead of forcing chomp on all teams

[opal beacon]

dont go cm stored

its usually used on teams which have pex

go rocks on lando and go taunt on heatran

and u can go defog on lati

also scizor could go crazy so watch out for chipping on heatran

if faced with a kommo it could be ground z so go bulu and then go mag

that way u scout pjab and also get terrain

[valid juniper]

Uhh so I kinda tried to build a team and this is what I came up with
https://pokepast.es/f3d162c1e9ad0a7c
Can anyone tell me if it's alr or js horrible

[scarlet jewel]

This is just me fooling around with Life Orb Mamoswine in Gen 4 OU. The idea is to try and get it in with slow U turns and have Starmie clear the hazards and secondary offense. Leftovers is used over LO because it faints too quickly otherwise. However, I have been getting mixed results so I'd appreciate some input. Open to any changes really as it is still in experimental phase. I find that I can't punch through fat cores with things like Clefable, Swampert, etc. while strong offensive teams just overwhelm me as the team is slow.
https://pokepast.es/84a7b9659b7b357d

[limber stone]

what tier is this

cuz hp ice isnt in any gen where inteleon is legal

[toxic gulch]

Not familiar with Gen 4 OU, I was trying to make a team with Specs Kindra as a focus.

https://pokepast.es/57ddea7e33fc91b7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

Why Mismagius?

[toxic gulch]

I like them

[cobalt vigil]

We don't do custom metagames here, so I'll just rate based off OU. You have multiple styles here; bulky offense with sd gliscor/ sd Scizor, Semistall with Scarftar + Skarmory and offense with Kingdra ; you have to commit to one pkaystyle in particular. Something like Scarftar-Skarmory-Clefable-Taunt Gliscor-Latias- Jirachi could work for example

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/dd1feebae2826901

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @fickle tulip, @tender coral, @low jasper, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Shit

[tender coral]

please stop using Zapdos as a defogger :wigded:

[limber stone]

Why

😔

[tropic schooner]

In ss zapdos' main broken use is its offensive profile

The only instance you use defog on it is in random offenses where you literally drop roost for it

[limber stone]

Ik

Hm

In that case

[tropic schooner]

Idt this is the team for that though

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/ea3a140e4b781679

[tender coral]

tbf there are some Empo teams where you run offensive sets with STABs + roost + defog, but you really shouldn't use defensive sets with those moves unless you have to

but yeah you generally want to utilise Zapdos' 2-way profile instead of saddling it with the task of removing hazards

[tender coral]

this is fine, just make Glowking modest 248 HP / 12 Def / 248 SpA

you need the offensive punch here

[tropic schooner]

Ehhh even that is offensive usually with a good bit of speed

[tender coral]

yeah that's what I'm saying

[tropic schooner]

Id also argue psyshock here tbh

[tender coral]

those sets are fast and hit hard

[tropic schooner]

Fsight doesnt do much and clef is annoying

[tender coral]

tbf this has sludge for Clef

and you need future sight for the stall matchup

you beat Jirachi with modest Glowking and just fish scald burns on LS Pex

Audino does own this team but I think you just tip your hat if you see one lmao

[tropic schooner]

Eh, sure ig some stalls are annoying

[limber stone]

😭

That's crazy

[limber stone]

I think u had that set when u gave me this team

Makes sense

[midnight beacon]

https://pokepast.es/14975a16910c2441 somehow got me into top 500 but I think it has too many counters that I just keep dodging

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

not sure about spdef tyranitar

you're probably better served by a resist berry on tyranitar

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/9a67219040d56473 SM OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

Trying to work with shift gear Magearna as it's a setup sweeper I never get to use

I think the team came out quite nicely, but I'd like some second opinions to help me refine the team if needed. A small concern I have is the Medicham + Lele core making Magearna's set obsolete on this team (not sure if Medicham will outshine Mage as the endgame cleaner)

[limber stone]

U haven't had problems with ash gren yet?

[midnight beacon]

Frankly I just added it because it's the only Ttar set I hadn't tried yet but it's kind of overperformed as a pivot from U-Turns. You can put it in front of almost anything and just not think, it's great. What moveset were you thinking with the berry? I don't really need another sweeper.

I could go mixed ig, Ice Beam would help.

[vale lagoon]

I assumed Mage would help keep Greninja in check, but I'm not sure if its offensive set will help much

Would Ferrothorn be better on this team?

[limber stone]

Hm

What does medi do here

[vale lagoon]

It mainly pairs with Lele to be an offensive wallbreaker

So that Mage can sweep afterwards

[limber stone]

Ig u have mage+psy terrain+scarf lando

Might not be too much of an issue but idk

[vale lagoon]

True, I think Lele might be enough on its own

[vale lagoon]

Putting this team into practice, Greninja is just a Pokemon I really have to offensively pressure. Lele luckily lives any attack from base Greninja and OHKOs in return. Landorus also outspeeds under psychic terrain and OHKOs with earthquake after stealth rock chip.

[opal beacon]

a bit weak to ash gren yea and also weak to zam since nothing comes in which doesnt take a huge chip already

[vale lagoon]

Yeah I think this team is specially frail even with Heatran

[vale lagoon]

Should I opt for a second special wall, or should I replace Heatran?

[opal beacon]

I would say make the mag av

tbh

[vale lagoon]

Sadge, but it works out

M-Medicham is a fun mon still so the team will still feel good to use

And shift gear mage wasn't doing much tbh

[opal beacon]

yes medi and lele are a good core

[opal beacon]

that would need an HO

to work

[vale lagoon]

Ahh I see

Yeah I was trying it on a standard offense team so it makes sense

gotta learn how to build HO now

[opal beacon]

so if u go av mag + specs lele + medi

now u can try again - u need rocks so lando is good

u could also go

ferro

for rain

but u do have a rotom so its not bad I suppose

[opal beacon]

it usually just needs a dedicated suicide lead and bunch of breakers

[vale lagoon]

Should I go defensive rocks for Lando?

Or try out scarf rocks

[opal beacon]

nah scarf rocks

is momentum sink

[vale lagoon]

Yeah I thought so, I just see the occasional scarf rocks so I thought maybe it could be used

Also checking the Lando smogon page, punishment is CRAZY

[opal beacon]

I never liked it

[opal beacon]

for latias

after boosts

[vale lagoon]

I actually never knew punishment was a move

[opal beacon]

okay so we are doing av mag now u need a cress check

what u think

[vale lagoon]

lemme see

Would Ferro be enough? Or would that be giving it too many mons to check.

[opal beacon]

ferro doesnt check cress

it can come in on cress

lemme rephrase to

[vale lagoon]

Ohh okay

Sorry, Cress is new to me but I know it's been popular recently

[opal beacon]

how are u planning on koing cress

[opal beacon]

yes very much popular

[vale lagoon]

Ahh okay

[opal beacon]

I thinl

if u drop the heatran

for z kyurem

and go with def rocks lando

and some scarf rotom type thing then u would be good

[vale lagoon]

Oooh I like it

How would a scarf Rotom set look like?

252 Speed 252 SPATK

Hydro / T-bolt / Volt switch / trick

[opal beacon]

analysis set

[vale lagoon]

Analysis set doesn't include a scarf set, it's just an honorable mention

There is an offensive set though that gives it some good HP / speed / SPATK

[opal beacon]

oh really

[vale lagoon]

Yeah, but I tried plopping scarf on the offensive set:
Rotom-Wash @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 108 HP / 184 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hydro Pump
• Volt Switch
• Thunderbolt
• Trick

If that works out

Actually might be better to go t-bolt + pain split because Magearna and Lando are already the pivots

[opal beacon]

kkay

try this @vale lagoon
av mag, specs/spoon lele , mega medi, something for scarf kart and victini so lando, something for rain so rotom and kyub z

try without scarf first and tell me how it fares

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

Rotom w/o scarf right?

Actually yeah it should be Rotom w/o scarf lol

Thank you for the help! I’ll try it out when I have time and let you know how it fares!

[opal beacon]

sure

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/9a9a38418284d790

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @candid prairie, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wise hatch]

Just make garchomp tank chomp and should be fine

Otherwise you lose to lopunny

[wise hatch]

@limber stone

[limber stone]

well, the main idea was that sd lorb chomp was gonna break through stuff like bro and skarm for mmeta to clean up late game

but ig this works too

[limber stone]

is there a way to make this work @wise hatch

or is the idea just not feasible

[wise hatch]

Prob Zapdos over thundy then

@limber stone

Make it static

[limber stone]

wont that be a bit mzam weak

or is it manageable

[limber stone]

i was also intending on it being offence

[violet garnet]

https://pokepast.es/500d659b7e9b55d3 gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

Thoughts on scarf Lele for this team? It would provide a fast late game cleaner and revenge killer while allowing Rotom to maintain its defensive kit.

It gives my team an offensive check to Ash-Greninja, M-Medicham, and Lopunny

[scarlet jewel]

https://pokepast.es/4514f94959eef8e6

gen 4 ou. The idea is to get Mamoswine in with U turns but I have issues with opposing Starmie, Suicune, Empoleon, and Rain teams. Shaky Heatran switchin too.

[gritty scaffold]

this feels like loses to any fat team

mamo still kinda weak for do anything on dpp if i remenber correctly bc no icicle crash

also the team feels kinda slow

relying on prio as ur speed control is a bit awful bc those moves arent usually that strong

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-viability-ranking-updated-may-2025.3683332/

you legit lose to rest talk rotom with that team

or rotom in general tbh

nothing can take it well or wants to

@scarlet jewel

[scarlet jewel]

It does lose to fat teams hence I need help. I'm unsure how to make it better

Unless Mamo is really not worth it (C2 rank) and I'm much better off trying something else entirely

[gritty scaffold]

idt its worth using mamoswine you should prob try build something else

usually niche mons only can fit on 1 or 2 teams

and mamo is on a very low bar of niche

[opal beacon]

could work

[opal beacon]

where is the mega

if u replace the mag with a mega mawile u will have a sample team

[opal beacon]

I dont rememebr exactly but are u calm mind zam?

would want that tbh so that u can break cress

[vale lagoon]

Alakazam? Not completely confident in mon name compressions so I could be wrong with how I’m interpreting the name.

Lele was specs

But I realized that I already had Kyurem and Medicham for immediate breaking power

So I did opt for 3 attacks at first

But then I realized that my team was a tad slow, so I opted for scarf

[opal beacon]

yeye

sry

[opal beacon]

ye I wanted you to tell me if u felt it was slow

we can do specs lele then and make the alakzam cm 3 attack

psychic , focus and shadow

alternatively if u waana swipe some chansey u can go psyshock

tho I dont recommend

[violet garnet]

i forgor

maybe sciz or maw

[opal beacon]

mawile means u will be loading the sample

[opal beacon]

https://pokepast.es/5f3b52bbda868aa5

with lando>torn

tho with ur version u can do maw or scizor both, a bad mu would be zone

but I would recommend mawile

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty. And I’m presuming Zam over Medi?

[opal beacon]

u can keep medi too I suppose

can u send me the updated team

so that I can check again

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty :D

https://pokepast.es/b85d5a3df433c97e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

Here’s the team with Kyurem

Oops sorry, didn’t mean to auto ping

But if Medicham would work better I could opt for Medicham over Kyurem

IMO, I think two psychic type wallbreakers with instant power is a bit excessive

[opal beacon]

its fine

[vale lagoon]

So I opted to keep Kyurem for more offensive diversity

[vale lagoon]

Ahh alrighty then

[opal beacon]

u can do medicham too

[vale lagoon]

Should I remove Rotom maybe over Medi?

Or should Kyurem go

[opal beacon]

uhh arent we changing megas

[vale lagoon]

Oops yeah

[opal beacon]

go for medi> zam

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

[opal beacon]

and lele can be scarf

[vale lagoon]

Always forget about mega limit lol 😅

[opal beacon]

others fine

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/d0260b7c62de1843

Alrighty, here’s the finished team

[opal beacon]

psyshock

actully psychic is fine okay

[vale lagoon]

I know the smogon page mentions that psyshock isn’t great on scarf, so yeah I think focus blast is good here

[opal beacon]

looks good

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

Thank you so much for the help, appreciate you!

[opal beacon]

lemme know if u face any difficulty with a particular mu

[vale lagoon]

Loving how the team looks (and plays)

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty :D

[opal beacon]

ideally u should be fine vs pretty much everything I suppose

depends on how u play

cress games can be a bit tricky so if u are really unable to face that then some changes might need to be done

[vale lagoon]

I see

I think Kyurem might be able to OHKO Cress with z-move after rocks

[opal beacon]

yess kyurem z needs to be used wisely

[vale lagoon]

and I haven’t seen much Cress on ladder so I hope it stays that way

[opal beacon]

cress is like the ultimate wall for psyspam

thats why u see

spoon lele with taunt

[opal beacon]

that would be a bit weird

the higher u go

the more likely u are to see it

that's why u will also see some sand coz ttar is good for these cress teams

[vale lagoon]

Ahh so that’s why 3 attacks runs taunt sometimes

[opal beacon]

it is also good bcoz people run blace

[vale lagoon]

Ohhh okey

[opal beacon]

for the cress

and get walled by ttar

[opal beacon]

yes

ideally main reason is cress

[vale lagoon]

Yeah I’m barely 1400s so I’ll probably expect to see Cress as I go higher

[opal beacon]

but u also prevent rocks from lando and ferro

[vale lagoon]

The only time I’ve really seen Cress is on TR teams

[opal beacon]

nah those are ass

mental herb cress

tr is a hit or miss kinda game tbh

[vale lagoon]

Yeah

Well, it’s getting really late where I’m at, so I’ll try out the team tomorrow and let you know if I struggle with any particular MUs

Gn, thank you for your help!

[opal beacon]

sure thing

np have fun

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/7871cad3e85a7dfb

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @candid prairie, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Changed some stuff

[opal beacon]

dont know what ruffles did so I will let him handle this one

[limber stone]

I changed 3 pokemon so it's essentially a new team

[limber stone]

I tried some weird stuff like spdef twave static zapdos for mzam+mlop but the cm 3a set is just nightmarish

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/8a2391097c05b5aa

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @fickle tulip, @tender coral, @low jasper, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

https://tenor.com/view/guillotine-sharo-blades-bisharp-pokémon-bisharp-bisharp-uses-guillotine-gif-25696889

[rich cloud]

this is significantly worse than what you had before

i think you're misunderstanding what the goal with orb chomp is

you have lo chomp + metagross which is perfectly fine as the offensive core

then you go and slap on 3/4 special attackers and completely change the identity of the team

the goal is to break down pokemon like slowbro and skarmory for your metagross to sweep

and you want to achieve that using lures

but you dont have any aside from chomp so they never need to come in until meta does

so meta cant break them because they havent been weakened

you have to double down and go full/ majority physical offense

pokemon like bisharp and landorus work well here

you can throw on serp as your water resist with lum berry to act as a psuedo status absorber while also pressuring the waters that you want to break for metagross

the last mon could be something like scarf exca

it gives you speed control as well as removal

actually no

this is super weak to volcarona you lose if it dances once

azumarill is a good fit here probably over bisharp or exca

i would put it over bisharp though so you can keep scarf exca

https://pokepast.es/e125dba91501c8a0

something like this

if you want the azu could be av to ease the mu into volcanion and zam

[tender coral]

same thing as always, stop using Zapdos as a defogger

[limber stone]

Aight

[limber stone]

Alr 🙏

[limber stone]

Why, is it a bad fogger

[tropic schooner]

Yes!! Much rather use fog on scarf kart on this

Zapdos is broken entirely because of its offensive profile

[tender coral]

ngl pads defog Kartana is a pretty decent defogger in the tier

still a fantastic knock off user and beats a lot of hazard setters (e.g. grounds, Ttar) while being able to at least collect knock tax on Ferro/Skarm while limiting the layers of spikes they can set up

obviously has to be wary of twave Ferro, but still

[wise hatch]

Use priority do make metagross bp tbh and I like azu on mixnites suggestion

Idk about lando drill as triple ground doesn’t seem amazing

And volcanion is dire

I’d try stuff like like scarf latias + another physical attacker. A cool one here is infernape

[limber stone]

What ape set

Also I want to try to avoid using any niche mons as I'm still new to the tier but if it works then ig I'll use it

[wise hatch]

then dont use smth ur comfy with

any physical attacker

[limber stone]

Something like this? https://pokepast.es/c0a9641f22095f3d

I did Scizor for the fairy resist and being able to switch into mzam and actually scare is out

[wise hatch]

yeah looks good

id go max hp azu

ur not breaking skarm anw

latias needs trick or twave

for moth

[limber stone]

Actually, doesn't this kinda struggle against skarm and ferro outside of chomp

I'm sorry I keep doing dumb stuff😔

[rich cloud]

nah this is fine

i like ruffles suggestions

i didnt realise i had triple ground LOL

[limber stone]

Also just as a last dumb question, is this 6 usable with different sets

[rich cloud]

no

you have to replace volcarona

[limber stone]

With?

[rich cloud]

something like thundurus

you end up with a team like what garay oak brought to spl

[limber stone]

With the same sets?

[rich cloud]

no

entirely different sets

he had exca over lando

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/57e512292baad7e6

Gen 8

[tropic schooner]

I feel like this is mono lose to fini

[limber stone]

What can I change

[limber stone]

Hm?

[limber stone]

[opal beacon]

its a part of learning

I made a ton of shit teams before they became any good

u are doing better so keep building and learning

we are here to help

[opal beacon]

idk but looking at this u might have the only out of playing knock off and hurricane game with eq lando chip

[limber stone]

🙏 🙏

[limber stone]

ye

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/52520a87385a160c i will keep making teams until i get something

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @fickle tulip, @tender coral, @low jasper, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/a713b43584845ff8 hv been struggling with volcanion and koko

[limber stone]

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/687a6e5c9777276c

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @fickle tulip, @tender coral, @low jasper, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Lele is a bit tough

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/47b3a658054dd12b alternatively

[limber stone]

really looking like a graveyard of pastes

[obtuse prairie]

old gens are a bit rough in terms of raters

[gritty scaffold]

yeah its often better just go to the discord server of those old gens and ask there if you dont have enough patience

[limber stone]

Uh

How do I say this

[opal beacon]

ss ou do be rough

sadly I dont have enough knowledge of that gen to help

tho if u do find a mainer out there it might be better

they usually help

[vale lagoon]

@opal beacon heya! So I’ve been enjoying the team and think it’s been great, but I’ve been having trouble with the Zard Y MU and was hoping you could help me figure it out.

Zard outspeeds everything on my team (minus Lele) and threatens OHKOs on everyone. Lele can’t OHKO it and needs some chip to take it out.

I know it’s weak to rocks, but if my opponent leads Zard Y or switches in as I set up rocks it takes a mon for free.

[opal beacon]

yea usually vs psyspam teams always lead char

that or lando if they have it

can u send me the team again

[vale lagoon]

Yee sure

https://pokepast.es/c4cc69b5f5add304

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

u could lead kyub

I suppose

it doesnt drop to flame thrower

and threatens a switch

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty :D

[opal beacon]

but otherthen that idk how to help tbh :/ gotta get rocks up and do lele things if he has a chansey then double the lele for medi or if he has a heatran or bulu do the same thing

basically gotta outplay

some mu's are just like that I am afraid

sm is so vast that u cant really prep for everything

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/8456e93d21947ef3

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

This is doghsit

[opal beacon]

this looks like a mix of both ho and a bo

[opal beacon]

decide on what u want first tbh

scarf kart, volc and a chomp going towards HO but a random lando and av mag making it look a normal bo

[limber stone]

I wanted to do offence

ig doesn't work

With lando mage

[vale lagoon]

Lando mage can work on offense teams

You'd just have to tweak the sets

The sample teams have plenty of teams with Landorus and Magearna

What I've noticed however is that Lando is offensive and Magearna is defensive

or vice versa

[limber stone]

ye ik

[opal beacon]

Lando mage offenses work but I would remove volcarona

[limber stone]

And replace it with what

[opal beacon]

actually keep volc but I dont like pex mu

so maybe just outplay - tho it will be tough

u can free a slot on diancie by going rocks on lando and running hp fire for ferro

or hp ice for lando/gliscor if u want

[limber stone]

so i go fogless?

[opal beacon]

nah remove hp ice

u def want defog coz skarm and shit but hp fire helps u a lot on dia for that very reason

[limber stone]

i was also thinking about air balloon tran at one point for this

but then i already hv 2 steels

[opal beacon]

yea not for this one

air balloon sounds cool tho

fast air ballon heatran gotta be timid and stuff

[limber stone]

ye thats my fav heatran set across all gens rn

[limber stone]

aight

https://pokepast.es/36e071b7ab71597f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

lmao no

sob

[opal beacon]

yep this looks better go try it

[valid juniper]

What are some options to pair up with azumarill to form a core

[upper plume]

In which tier?

[valid juniper]

Ou

[upper plume]

which OU tier?

[valid juniper]

Uh gen 8 maybe

I'm tryna figure out how to teambuild 😭

[upper plume]

I would probably ask for help in #comp-general or #comp-general-2

that is where you get more live discussion

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/f3e5f945ea9d2969 gen 8 OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @fickle tulip, @tender coral, @low jasper, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

I might just be bad against stall, but this team feels a tad weak against stall

Would it be better to opt for choice band Kartana for immediate power?

I was also thinking choice band Bisharp might be good, as Koko is already naturally fast and I’d get a priority move option in sucker punch

[orchid tiger]

Ain’t this just clef tini stack but with different sets and kart > ferro

[tender coral]

no, this team doesn't love facing hard stall

you can probably consider a volt switch/nature's madness/taunt set on Koko if you want to have better lines into stall

think Ferrothorn is needed here to make the defensive structure work

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

Ferro over Kart?

[tender coral]

Victini definitely appreciates encore over glaciate here, it locks certain Pokemon on stall into utility moves and wastes PP

e.g. Pex using recover after taking a bolt strike on the switch

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

[tender coral]

you can make Lando rocks and Ferro spikes, this frees up a moveslot on Clef to run stuff like twave or CM

the team has 3 boots users and Clef, it usually wins these hazard wars

[vale lagoon]

Something like this: https://pokepast.es/create

Oops mb

https://pokepast.es/bdb7e6a1117a47fe

There we go

[tender coral]

yeah this looks quite good!

[vale lagoon]

Awesome!

Thank you for the help, I appreciate you!

[vale lagoon]

Ngl, I’m not too familiar with popular teams in SS OU so I didn’t know the structure was so similar 😅

[tender coral]

you're welcome! here's a more aggressive variant of the team that aims to somewhat patch up the Nidoking matchup (only for modest though) while making the team more robust into stall

https://pokepast.es/2d27580be5bae959

you're somewhat weak to Dragapult, but the matchup is playable as long as you position well

Koko can be toxic -> taunt with this Lando

try tweaking the sets after some experimentation

[vale lagoon]

Holy gravity

The team looks super nice though, thank you for the help!

[limber stone]

Sheist

[undone totem]

https://pokepast.es/dabc93ad276b0842 gen 7 OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[undone totem]

The 4a maw is for better wallbreaking into fat

Speed control is iffy

Oh and HP grass is for swampert

[mint condor]

Seems super nice
but im little worry about zard-x and zard-y, when ur flyuim-z consumed, and if this moves don't do enough damage
opponent zard.
+i think this team is weak against manaphy rain

[opal beacon]

Definately

My suggestion is going through the team mates option listed in the analyses and try again

Lots of things here that need changes so better to restart

[opal beacon]

And gastro and toad

Good move but very rare

Anyways it does look like u know the mons and sets it's just the Synergy which needs working so prolly have to change mons around a bit

[plucky vigil]

https://pokepast.es/0de3881874f442d6

gen 8 ou

Idk what i did wrong when building this team lol. I tried to build it around Hydreigon and Dragapult core, with Ferrothorn as Lead, Zapdos as Defensive Pivot, Kartana for Choice Scarf Sweeper, and Blaziken to counter any ice types.

Is there any tips on how can i improve my team building here?

[opal beacon]

there is technically no pokemon as a lead unless

its an ho team

which has dedicated sucide leads which have the main purpose of setting hazards

denying them if possible

[plucky vigil]

and here i thought it's balance

[opal beacon]

as for the team I will let someone more knowledgeable trply to u

[opal beacon]

no I meant in general

[plucky vigil]

oh

[opal beacon]

when u said ferro as a lead,

I meant to say

its not always necesaary

u decide ur lead based on what your opponents team is

and what u think they are loading

unless its an HO, then u are pretty much sure what u waanna lead with

[limber stone]

If it's a non sm ho anyway

[opal beacon]

just a general statement which can help you

[plucky vigil]

i understand

that's one of my problem, i just keep on using Ferrothorn as a lead

[opal beacon]

yea I thought when u said ferro as a lead u might be doing that

so had to let u know

[plucky vigil]

thanks a lot

[opal beacon]

no problem

[opal beacon]

an ss rater can prolly help u with what you should do vs specific mus - leads and plays

[plucky vigil]

what's ss rater

[limber stone]

[plucky vigil]

frog

[limber stone]

Ss means sword and shield i.e. gen 8 ou, and rater means team raters

[plucky vigil]

i thought something like ss-rank rater or smn

[opal beacon]

ah no

not working

uhh

I will just tag the raters

https://pokepast.es/ecd6b5bad923b005

@tender coral @orchid tiger @fickle tulip

have fun

[plucky vigil]

thanks!

[tender coral]

consider running explosion over gyro ball on Ferrothorn

you need it for Volcarona

could be normal gem too if it's not enough for the KO

[plucky vigil]

I'll try that

[limber stone]

Maybe a rillaboom somewhere here

(jk)

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/ae34d0302847f6a5 gen 7 OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

I wanted to learn hyper offense so I built a shift gear Magearna team

I believe the wincons on this team are through Greninja, Victini, and Meagearna

But Greninja also acts as a wallbreaker alongside Medicham

I think I might change the z-move to fairium, as I don't need it too much for any steel types

[vale lagoon]

Also don't mind hydro cannon, I just realized I accidentally put it there (should be hydro pump) 😭

[mint condor]

Hydro is bad moves

This move fkkkkking trash

I recommend use surf

[opal beacon]

Lowkey this doesn't seem fully ho

I would remove mega medi and go with setup mons like

mega zard

Mega gyra

[vale lagoon]

Ahh okay

[opal beacon]

yea HO is just basically one suicide lead

And setup mons

Scarf victini is fine

[vale lagoon]

I know HO teams need wallbreakers so I thought Medi would be good here alongside Gren

Gren is good here though right?

[opal beacon]

Z mag is fine