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raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 8:33 AM

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And double dance mage

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Or just the original build with only mage changing ?

weary skiff Mar 23, 2025, 4:09 PM

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hey guys, I'm fairly new to pvp game. I'm playing Gen 7 OU and built a Lando, Magearna, Lucha, Koko, Ninja, Medicham but I'm struggling to get wins. Do you recommend another team for me or should I just try to work out this team?

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 4:22 PM

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also one question do you think offense is the best archetype where i could use mlatios?

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my goal is to have the best possible team with latios

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cuz nobody cares about that mon

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even tho it's cool asf

upper plume Mar 23, 2025, 4:23 PM

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weary skiff hey guys, I'm fairly new to pvp game. I'm playing Gen 7 OU and built a Lando, Ma...

Do you have a paste of your team?

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 4:23 PM

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yeah cuz we dont know the mon "ninja"

obtuse prairie Mar 23, 2025, 4:24 PM

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raw hornet also one question do you think offense is the best archetype where i could use m...

well you have BO currently which i personally think is the best archetype for it

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you're team is p similar to a lot of mtios teams ive seen

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 4:24 PM

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mhmm

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alright well i dont really see what else we could do to make this better https://pokepast.es/7bf219ef48e455fc (except ofc the double dance mage)

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raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 4:25 PM

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unless you actually wanted me to change gren for scarf kart,

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,

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?

upper plume Mar 23, 2025, 4:25 PM

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raw hornet yeah cuz we dont know the mon "ninja"

I'm guessing they mean Gren?

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 4:26 PM

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upper plume I'm guessing they mean Gren?

ig so

obtuse prairie Mar 23, 2025, 4:26 PM

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try the team with the different options and see

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ive also seen some more crazier scarfers like koko and tini

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wouldnt recommend but options

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testing to me is the best way to field out flaws tho, even in RMT

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 4:27 PM

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alright i'll test the same team but with scartana instead of agren

weary skiff Mar 23, 2025, 4:29 PM

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upper plume Do you have a paste of your team?

https://pokepast.es/39ba6453f8d291b3

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 4:29 PM

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upper plume I'm guessing they mean Gren?

good guess they actually meant greninja

weary skiff Mar 23, 2025, 4:30 PM

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sorry for confusion

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 4:30 PM

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it's alright

obtuse prairie Mar 23, 2025, 4:34 PM

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weary skiff https://pokepast.es/39ba6453f8d291b3

i think the six members are good just the sets are a bit off

karmic geyserBOT Mar 23, 2025, 4:35 PM

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OU (Gen 7)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

obtuse prairie Mar 23, 2025, 4:35 PM

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see dex for some set recommendations

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as for how easy it is to use, offense i feel is an intermediate way; ie in a heavy matchup tier like SM some matchups would require a lot of playing around with offense

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ive generally found BO and balance more beginner friendly styles

weary skiff Mar 23, 2025, 4:48 PM

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Ok, any of the BO/balance teams would recommend me to start?

obtuse prairie Mar 23, 2025, 4:50 PM

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check the sample teams

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 5:40 PM

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btw twisteorra do you think fairynium z would be better on my double dance mage or fightinium is better

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cuz sometimes their landos is still alive and i cant ohko it with fleur cannon without cming

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which one is the best ohkoing tran + ferro or lando?

obtuse prairie Mar 23, 2025, 5:55 PM

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could do boltbeam

raw hornet Mar 23, 2025, 6:45 PM

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With electrium z ?

mint condor Mar 24, 2025, 9:25 AM

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weary skiff https://pokepast.es/39ba6453f8d291b3

German111, grc111 team base?

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https://pokepast.es/950910b00b8c61ca

Recent one (approximation)

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raw hornet Mar 24, 2025, 7:54 PM

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hey twisteorra so i did some games with that one mlatios team and i noticed some stuff

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firstly bolt beam mage is p cool

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and secondly i struggle against volc

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soo i just changed the sets a bit and gave landot rock tomb and i changed mage's ev spread so it can tank a defensive landot eq

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https://pokepast.es/71bc761c3d4910ea

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raw hornet Mar 24, 2025, 7:56 PM

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tell me what you think of these 2 changes i made

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i could also change cm on mage for something else because i feel like cm is a bit useless

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but i could be wrong

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i'm kinda low in the ladder after all

raw hornet Mar 25, 2025, 8:55 PM

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raw hornet https://pokepast.es/71bc761c3d4910ea

also i was wondering is sd on scarfkart an option so if i get koffed i can just setup and deal a lot of damage andpotentially pressure skarm enough so that it cant come

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because sacred sword still deals some damage and if i can get whirlwinded into magearna or mlatios then they cant really stay in otherwise they just lose their skarm

obtuse prairie Mar 25, 2025, 8:58 PM

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raw hornet also i was wondering is sd on scarfkart an option so if i get koffed i can just ...

niche use case id say

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youd need to actually lose the scarf and most people try to protect it since they usually need the speed control

raw hornet Mar 25, 2025, 9:33 PM

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Right

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But then i'll struggle against stall

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And that's not cool

rough forum Mar 27, 2025, 12:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/aba13e6c15695145
Gen 5
This team is missing something I just don't know what, sometimes it preforms other times it just gets folded.
MAybe replacing Starmie for another Spinner?

gritty scaffold Mar 27, 2025, 1:18 PM

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I wouldnt recommend running hp grass keldeo

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Specially on scarf

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You usually want hp ice here to revenge kill dragons like dnite

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And i would drop leech and knock for spikes and gyro ball

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As all ferrothorns must have spikes and power whip

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The other 2 moves are more flexible depending of structure but in offense idt u get much value of using leech seed or knock off

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I would prob use recover over dpulse on that specs latios but ig that also works im just worried opposing keldeo could be a problem if you cant recover with your latios . I would prob drop np for hp ice. As its really important to hit dragons and grounds.

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Or drop u turn for hp ice ig that also works

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Also run thunder on that starmie

gritty scaffold Mar 27, 2025, 1:24 PM

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rough forum https://pokepast.es/aba13e6c15695145 Gen 5 This team is missing something I just...

You can use tentacruel over starmie which has more bulk on the spdef side. although tentacruel is alot weaker and your slower than alot of mons in the tier so pick your poison i guess

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And i would maybe use refresh/ice beam over toxic on that politoed

rough forum Mar 27, 2025, 1:36 PM

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Thanks I'll try and switch these up a bit

gritty scaffold Mar 27, 2025, 1:39 PM

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Np

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Also remenber to drop speed ivs of your ferro to 0

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If ur going to use gyro ball

dusty knoll Mar 27, 2025, 3:48 PM

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gsc ou :3

fickle tulip Mar 27, 2025, 4:15 PM

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dusty knoll gsc ou :3

did you forget to send a paste

dusty knoll Mar 27, 2025, 4:15 PM

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no

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i just wanted to say gsc ou

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https://pokepast.es/58e80f8d72088e64

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dusty knoll Mar 27, 2025, 4:16 PM

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here’s a paste though

upper plume Mar 27, 2025, 4:57 PM

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rough forum https://pokepast.es/aba13e6c15695145 Gen 5 This team is missing something I just...

If you want to use Rawst Ferro, it's generally better to use an offensive set because you aren't going to be taking as many hits with it and the point of Rawst Ferro is getting early damage on Rotom-W and Jellicent

rough forum Mar 27, 2025, 7:10 PM

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upper plume If you want to use Rawst Ferro, it's generally better to use an offensive set be...

I was previously told here I should run Rawst because my team is very easy scald bait, they didn't mention going offense on ferro but tbf I've noticed I rarely end up clicking knock off to begin with

gritty scaffold Mar 27, 2025, 7:14 PM

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upper plume If you want to use Rawst Ferro, it's generally better to use an offensive set be...

Not always though spdef ferro is important to tank hits from latios

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Rain will always have a hard time into rotom wash no matter what it will all depend on good plays

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Though could maybe use refresh politoed over toxic to have a easier time into scald wars maybe

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Either way offensive ferro is good here aswell as you mentioned

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Idk i generally dont like ferro being chipped down just so whole team crumbles into latios

dusty knoll Mar 27, 2025, 7:20 PM

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i feel like

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lefties starmie

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is so fake

gritty scaffold Mar 27, 2025, 7:21 PM

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Oh yeah that aswell i forgot to mention would prob be better to use baloon

gritty scaffold Mar 27, 2025, 7:22 PM

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dusty knoll https://pokepast.es/58e80f8d72088e64

Im not sure why not just use skarm over rhydon on this kind of team it feels so weak into double eq lax

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But im no gsc expert

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And i like more rest talk kou in these kind of teams tbh

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Heal bell is easy to burn out if you arent careful

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And vap can become scary

dusty knoll Mar 27, 2025, 9:46 PM

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gritty scaffold Im not sure why not just use skarm over rhydon on this kind of team it feels so...

fire lax

gritty scaffold Mar 27, 2025, 9:48 PM

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miltank checks fire lax either way

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im pretty sure

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my main concern is your miltank running out of bell pp and end up being paralyzed bc atp it becomes hard to check curse lax since Full paras can happen and if lax isnt mono rhydon isnt checking it that well either

dusty knoll Mar 27, 2025, 9:53 PM

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fair

gritty scaffold Mar 27, 2025, 9:54 PM

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and overall rhydon fits better in offense teams

dusty knoll Mar 27, 2025, 9:55 PM

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ye

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 3:18 PM

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https://pokepast.es/08321120c779b89c

Howdy, trying to make a team of mostly explosions. Seemed like a fun gimmick, any advice? Gen 3 OU

Thought about opening explode meta into spikes but unsure

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dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 4:18 PM

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regiice is kinda shite

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cb regirock too

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you h ave a cb meta but nothing that wants skarm killed

inner mist Mar 28, 2025, 5:17 PM

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rough forum https://pokepast.es/aba13e6c15695145 Gen 5 This team is missing something I just...

Honestly, I don’t think there is really much you can do to improve upon the team, Rain will inevitably feel weak to something.

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In this case I feel like you Zam MU feels kind of uphill but you can’t really add another steel here like Scizor/Rachi without compromising your other MUs

rough forum Mar 28, 2025, 6:16 PM

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Yeah I've beaten Top 200 players, I ended up going with Excadrill over Starmie, I know it seems silly but it's been working thus far.

I've had Tentacruel in that slot, Starmie and I'm just struggling with that specific slot. I'm experimenting a lot and I'm getting there, I'm nearly Top 500 atp.

https://pokepast.es/95c8d78bb2d7da63

inner mist Mar 28, 2025, 6:25 PM

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I suppose Drill helps more with Psychics

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And an Outrage switch

rough forum Mar 28, 2025, 6:26 PM

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Also role compression, so I can run spikes ferro or change that for something

inner mist Mar 28, 2025, 6:28 PM

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Oh yeah absolutely

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:29 PM

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dusty knoll you h ave a cb meta but nothing that wants skarm killed

Would mag fit somewhere? Everytime I face skarm I don't feel too pressured by it so didn't think it would be that important

inner mist Mar 28, 2025, 6:30 PM

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Ferro is forced into running double hazards in Rain so having a free slot for something like TWave is always nice

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:33 PM

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lofty estuary Would mag fit somewhere? Everytime I face skarm I don't feel too pressured by it...

The whole point of CB meta is that you don't need Mag

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:34 PM

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upper plume The whole point of CB meta is that you don't need Mag

Oh ok, I'm pretty new to the OU scene lol

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:34 PM

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lofty estuary Would mag fit somewhere? Everytime I face skarm I don't feel too pressured by it...

the point of cb meta is that its boom can kill skarm

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nmv tbolt alr said what i was gonna

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💀

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:36 PM

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what aubrey is saying is that you don't have Pokemon that take advantage of Skarm being removed

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:36 PM

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dusty knoll the point of cb meta is that its boom can kill skarm

I misunderstood what was originally said, my bad. Since sub areo was my finisher, maybe replace with one that would be countered by skarm?

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:36 PM

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and also your only Rock-resist is CB Meta

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:37 PM

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upper plume what aubrey is saying is that you don't have Pokemon that take advantage of Skar...

!!

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that is also very concerning abt the rock resist

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:37 PM

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lofty estuary I misunderstood what was originally said, my bad. Since sub areo was my finisher...

I think something like a DD Mence is pretty reasonable

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:37 PM

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I think like Pert>Regirock

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Helps a shit ton

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Pert is just too good...

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:37 PM

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yeah you could go with like an offensive Swampert

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:38 PM

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also Blissey>Regice

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:38 PM

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do you need blissey?

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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Zapdos seems

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Concerning

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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upper plume and also your only Rock-resist is CB Meta

I was thinking of taking CB off of Rock, but he's able to handle alot of physical threats and only takes a quarter hp from a mixed mances brick break. I tried pert multiple times before but he never gave me a good feel, maybe an offensive variant might work ye

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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Maybe if you go spdef gar

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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I was thinking a Lax in that slot

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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But Max hp ice being your zap awnser is fucking ass

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Lax works too

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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since Bliss seems like it doesn't fit the pace of the team

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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ye

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they are tied in my brain

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too much bkc brainrot...

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lax can also fit boom

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:40 PM

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I chose ice because he's a more offensive blissey and he's my favorite leggo in emerald

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:40 PM

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for the themeing

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:40 PM

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Fine with removing tho

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Could I disregard spikes altogether and throw out cloystar?

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:41 PM

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spikes are needed

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:41 PM

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I think I would do that, yes

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:41 PM

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cloy is kinda

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bad tho

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:42 PM

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I was about to say that you may have issues into the Fires but then I remembered you have Pert + Mence

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:42 PM

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go refresh mence to troll moltress clueless

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:42 PM

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I heard cloy is a pretty good bait for gengar to enter, does psychic otk?

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:42 PM

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no

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Does Cloy even learn Psychic

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:43 PM

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def not if its defensive

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:43 PM

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upper plume Does Cloy even learn Psychic

i think he means Claydol

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:43 PM

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Oops

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Lmao

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:43 PM

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cloyster does not learn psychic

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:43 PM

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I meant claydol yeah, disregard

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:43 PM

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32- SpA Claydol Psychic vs. 168 HP / 164 SpD Gengar: 142-168 (46.8 - 55.4%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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32- SpA Claydol Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gengar: 173-204 (66.2 - 78.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:44 PM

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Ouch

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:44 PM

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ye gengar is a fucker

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best way to remove it is pursuit

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idrk how you would go abt fitting pursuit here tho

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Meta can learn it I'm pretty sure, but wouldn't that be a waste?

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Since special

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 6:45 PM

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cb pursuit meta is throwing

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correct

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best pursiut mon is tar

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but tar is kinda

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eh here

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since you have bulky dd mence and lax

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you dont really want sand

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:47 PM

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Didn't know Sceptile can learn pursuit, love that dude. Is it possible?

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Ditch subseed and maybe go as a special attacker? Maybe non fire punch gengars would be caught off guard

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Catch off guard Fire Punch Gars and lose to the Ice Punch they carry anyway

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Oh true

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Well shoot

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How's umbreon doing?

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:52 PM

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Bad since MeanPass was banned

lofty estuary Mar 28, 2025, 6:55 PM

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So really just ttar or bust on pursuits, maybe dusclops over gengar?

upper plume Mar 28, 2025, 6:55 PM

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Dusclops does not fit this team

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If you need Pursuit that badly you can go with Houndoom

dusty knoll Mar 28, 2025, 7:30 PM

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clops is very niche and really only works on stall

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 3:11 AM

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Hey, i'm doing a weird meta and i try to build something

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here is my team : https://pokepast.es/aaec87b955fea628

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I'm limited to 1 legendary/fabulous, and I'm not doing it on showdown so I have to build pokemon by my self and DT's are difficult to get

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So, tell me what u think about my team (i'm trying to not use legendary)

fickle tulip Mar 30, 2025, 3:15 AM

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!nolegends

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exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 5:44 AM

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ahhhh

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So, i'm used to play 8G/9G, i started with 7G so, do you know how to play in 6G ? the meta seams very different, like a lot of HO or stall but not much BO or other stuff

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any idea about how i'm supposed to build ?

gritty scaffold Mar 30, 2025, 10:31 AM

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You mean gen 6?

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Idt we have oras raters here but i could be wrong

lusty jasper Mar 30, 2025, 1:24 PM

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I need help for gen 8 ou mons how to team build

river egret Mar 30, 2025, 2:55 PM

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gritty scaffold Idt we have oras raters here but i could be wrong

@rich cloud
sign up gng

gritty scaffold Mar 30, 2025, 3:00 PM

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adachi_true

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 3:12 PM

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river egret <@1143593388873097306> sign up gng

where am i signing up

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and what for

river egret Mar 30, 2025, 3:13 PM

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rich cloud where am i signing up

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rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:17 PM

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exotic fable any idea about how i'm supposed to build ?

sure what do you wanna build

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or if you have a team just send it in

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:17 PM

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gritty scaffold You mean gen 6?

yeeah

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:18 PM

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rich cloud sure what do you wanna build

idk, what is mostly played ?

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HO i guess ?

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:18 PM

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err

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if you arent sure check out the samples to get a feel for the tier

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they were updated really recently

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:23 PM

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so

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the meta is mostly Balance or HO ?

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:24 PM

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its an offense meta

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offense is really strong

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you are generally gonna be facing some kind of offense be it bulky offense, hyper offense or a mix of the two

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or a semi-stall team

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:26 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/articles/a-team-dissection

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does this team still work ?

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:27 PM

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im not a fan of this team

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-sample-teams.3762173/

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try these instead

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:28 PM

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thx a lot !

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:28 PM

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no worries

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:28 PM

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by any chance, do you know why some pokemons are banned ?

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:28 PM

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if you ever have any questions feel free to ping me in #comp-general or #comp-general-2

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:28 PM

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like aegislash

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:28 PM

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exotic fable by any chance, do you know why some pokemons are banned ?

all of the pokemon that were banned have been too powerful for standard play

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:29 PM

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do you have an explanation for aegislash ? i can guess it for greninja or blaziken

upper plume Mar 30, 2025, 6:30 PM

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Aegislash is just impossible to bring down while being ridiculously strong

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:30 PM

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exotic fable like aegislash

aegi's ability paired with kings shield makes it a real pain to face since it essentially has base 150 in both its attack and defense stats

upper plume Mar 30, 2025, 6:31 PM

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It effectively has 720 BST because it takes its attack in Shield Forme, then switches into Sword Forme to attack, then switches back into Shield Forme the next turn to use King's Shield

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:31 PM

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exotic fable do you have an explanation for aegislash ? i can guess it for greninja or blazik...

greninja gets stab on all its moves and blaziken can sweep entire teams with one free turn

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:37 PM

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what about lucario mega ?

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it's strong but playable right ?

river egret Mar 30, 2025, 6:38 PM

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rich cloud aegi's ability paired with kings shield makes it a real pain to face since it es...

#noticing that if u complex banned king's shield aegi would be effectively completely balanced and would help immensely in curbing bo/ho creep...

river egret Mar 30, 2025, 6:38 PM

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exotic fable what about lucario mega ?

too many sets to properly check it

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:38 PM

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exotic fable it's strong but playable right ?

it does 80% to its checks

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:38 PM

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okkk

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80% on chomp bulky ?

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:39 PM

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+2 252 Atk Adaptability Lucario-Mega Close Combat vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 452-532 (108.3 - 127.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:40 PM

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and no boost ?

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60-70% ?

rich cloud Mar 30, 2025, 6:41 PM

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252 Atk Adaptability Lucario-Mega Close Combat vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 226-268 (54.1 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

exotic fable Mar 30, 2025, 6:41 PM

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ok ok

dusty knoll Mar 30, 2025, 7:41 PM

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rich cloud +2 252 Atk Adaptability Lucario-Mega Close Combat vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp...

for a moment i thought this was mlop and i was like tf????

granite iron Apr 3, 2025, 5:40 AM

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https://pokepast.es/695475caf694efeb is this team still good for gen 7 or needs tweaking?

karmic geyserBOT Apr 3, 2025, 5:40 AM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 7:30 AM

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https://pokepast.es/e219092685e9693e

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This the final comp marnie idk how good it is

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But it seems fun

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I saw on the specially defensive exca that your team should have a koff user to koff rocky helmets and prevent exca from being chipped

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But idk since i have 2 wish passer

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 11:02 AM

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granite iron https://pokepast.es/695475caf694efeb is this team still good for gen 7 or needs ...

its fine fwiw

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average volt turn core + xard + grass spam

granite iron Apr 3, 2025, 11:19 AM

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vivid kraken its fine fwiw

alr alr

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 11:26 AM

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granite iron alr alr

this is what i use

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https://pokepast.es/524b51f8d2b23075

granite iron Apr 3, 2025, 11:27 AM

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vivid kraken this is what i use

do u only have 1 stallbreaker then?

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oh wait

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lmfao nvm

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i thought that was a scarf lando and got really confused when i saw SD

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 11:31 AM

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raw hornet I saw on the specially defensive exca that your team should have a koff user to ...

ye but in general idk why exca is here when defog gliscor seems better, for instance the big thing is making the team more resilient into heatran

granite iron Apr 3, 2025, 11:33 AM

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vivid kraken https://pokepast.es/524b51f8d2b23075

how do u deal with zapdos on this comp?

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 11:50 AM

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vast oracle ye but in general idk why exca is here when defog gliscor seems better, for inst...

I kinda wanted a cleric so i wasnt sure about glisc

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At start i thought chansey + glisc as status absorber were enough but if i get my aggron burned i wont be able to heal it

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But maybe you're right gliscor is maybe better as a defogger

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Has pivot too and i dont have to use koff on pex for rocky helmets

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 11:56 AM

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the glisc + heal ball interaction sucks yeah but it's not the end of the world, big thing to worry about is just not to take knock off w gliscor mindlessly (which you have pex + maggron so should cover most knock off users), and with gliscor as a status absorber too you're not as forced to click heal bell as often

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 11:56 AM

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Oh so i can still use heal

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Bell

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 11:57 AM

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yea, just be wary of that interaction. lots of heal bell teams still run gliscor

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 11:57 AM

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Alright then lol

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 11:57 AM

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i would recommend toad but you need a removal

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 11:57 AM

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Yeah

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 11:58 AM

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Another thing is you prob can remove unaclef ngl, cause this team looks like an attempt of both maggron stall and balance

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and then runt tornt + toad

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tornt in particular gives you decent speed control for squads like this but also a check to SD kart, which can 6-0 your current team if maggron is chipped

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 11:59 AM

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Right

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Isnt xard then gonna be a problem ?

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 12:00 PM

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with spdef toad you can prob go physdef pex

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unaclef dont even check zardx

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you get 2hkoed by blitz and you do nothing back

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:00 PM

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Right

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https://pokepast.es/0d18ffc984ba2aef

karmic geyserBOT Apr 3, 2025, 12:01 PM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:01 PM

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Like this ?

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I suppose i could remove waterium on pex now since i have toad

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 12:02 PM

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ye, and can give tornt the fly z

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:02 PM

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Offensive tornt set ?

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 12:02 PM

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also you can prob run rest or another coverage on maggron

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:02 PM

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Or the bulky oen ?

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 12:02 PM

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bulky w z is fine

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w some spa investment to hit some benchmark

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is also fine

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 12:03 PM

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granite iron how do u deal with zapdos on this comp?

You just have to manage grass spam + mage + xard vs it bc zap nature is very passive so its relatively easy to exploit it you play around it well

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:04 PM

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vast oracle w some spa investment to hit some benchmark

Ohkoing chomp wouldve been cool but i think i need way too much evs

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 12:04 PM

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raw hornet https://pokepast.es/0d18ffc984ba2aef

Dont see why you wouldnt mage > chansey here

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:04 PM

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Oh wait i cant even ohko it without a +spa nature

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Heal bell mage or heart swap ?

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Heal bell i suppose

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 12:05 PM

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Yeah

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:05 PM

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Marnie what do you think ?

granite iron Apr 3, 2025, 12:05 PM

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vivid kraken You just have to manage grass spam + mage + xard vs it bc zap nature is very pas...

mhm okay, i just really am scared of static ruining one of my sweeprs

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 12:05 PM

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Fits the pacing much better and provides a much needed steel type in cress bc aggron is basically a pseudo steel fwiw

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 12:06 PM

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uh i thought you want the wish passing for maggron?

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:06 PM

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I could use rest

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 12:06 PM

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You run rest generally

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Yeah

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@raw hornet

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I remember skype using this

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-753850

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Yeah

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mage

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dtail + tspikes

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Shiest stuff

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:09 PM

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Whos skypr

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Skyoe

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 12:09 PM

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or you run rest maggron instead

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 12:10 PM

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raw hornet Skyoe

Skypenguin

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carapinga

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:11 PM

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Oh

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Kinda thought i was the first to make that build

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 12:13 PM

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raw hornet Marnie what do you think ?

either works, i just assumed you're still adamant in keeping wish support and not having rest on maggron

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 12:13 PM

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Well "I"

vast oracle Apr 3, 2025, 12:13 PM

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nah cress + toad + tornt + mage is a pretty common defensive core

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tried and true, so at least you know they'll do well

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 12:23 PM

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raw hornet Kinda thought i was the first to make that build

When it comes to innovation you have to derive from your inspiration so you take an idea and basically own that idea with the puzzle pieces around it, like for example u have an idea lets say like band azumarill for example, u take that new idea and use its capabilities to itself fullest with the people around said azumarill because thats going to be the core of your team coz its the idea ur building around

dusty knoll Apr 3, 2025, 2:21 PM

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granite iron https://pokepast.es/695475caf694efeb is this team still good for gen 7 or needs ...

this looks solid :3

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 2:48 PM

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vivid kraken When it comes to innovation you have to derive from your inspiration so you take...

i think ive already seen someone do this

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idk if it is really comparable but his "idea" was basically stunfisk

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kopv18

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 3:16 PM

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vivid kraken When it comes to innovation you have to derive from your inspiration so you take...

when you say derive from your inspiration do you mean that i wont be using vrs and will be using stuff like the "Other Options" section of an analysis?

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 4:19 PM

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raw hornet when you say derive from your inspiration do you mean that i wont be using vrs a...

You should have your own understanding of the metagame if you want to be a successful teambuilder imo

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Because if dont youll just be a shadow of other strong builders and you dont want that

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You can take some ideas from other true and tried tho

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But like you cant try to replicate a certain methodology that other ppl use

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cuz ur different

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 4:21 PM

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what does it mean to have your own understanding of the metagame.

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?

vivid kraken Apr 3, 2025, 4:22 PM

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to play for yourself on ladder like spam games and then you develop an understanding of the metagame

raw hornet Apr 3, 2025, 4:23 PM

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i mean i'm not that new to sm i already know the metagame what your team needs and stuff

trim herald Apr 3, 2025, 7:23 PM

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could someone help me with a gen 4 deck this is my first day and i dont know what im doing

upper plume Apr 3, 2025, 7:27 PM

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you should just use a sample team if you're new

karmic geyserBOT Apr 3, 2025, 7:27 PM

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OU (Gen 4)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

dusty knoll Apr 3, 2025, 8:26 PM

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trim herald could someone help me with a gen 4 deck this is my first day and i dont know wha...

deck?

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if your looking for Tcg stuff idk if we have ppl for that

trim herald Apr 3, 2025, 8:26 PM

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dusty knoll deck?

My b I meant team

dusty knoll Apr 3, 2025, 8:28 PM

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trim herald My b I meant team

oh no worries!

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 9:00 PM

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thinking about building with molt today

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 9:51 PM

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on gsc?

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well you can . you will just need some good way to handle elecs and starmie really

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 9:56 PM

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ye

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megainum o.O

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 9:57 PM

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hm i dont hate the idea honestly

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meg helps alot the vap mu which those kind of teams can struggle into

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even tho idt you can really fit molt on stall maybe fitting meganium on offense is possible

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 9:59 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e7f19b93117b28f5

karmic geyserBOT Apr 5, 2025, 9:59 PM

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dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:00 PM

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last slot is probs Lix or Rhydon

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lowk Meginiaum+Lix is good

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with Light Screen

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 10:02 PM

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nah i think you want sd meganium here

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idt any other meganium set is nearly as good as sd

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:02 PM

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icic

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 10:02 PM

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i would prob use toxic over hp elec on cloy imo and lead with it

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lax should prob be rest talk 2 atks

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prob eq and double edge

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:03 PM

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ye

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that’s what i was thinking

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 10:03 PM

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curse also works

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:03 PM

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i like eq more

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for tar

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 10:03 PM

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if you use tar last with crunch and pursuit

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i mean tar is always gonna be tough to handle

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:04 PM

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true

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 10:04 PM

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has coverage for all situations it needs

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tho you could maybe use golem on last here

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:04 PM

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hmmmm

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ye

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 10:04 PM

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and i would prob use hp ice on this zap

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the dv drop is quite huge

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which can make zap worse into lax

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:05 PM

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ah

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was thinking for blowing up rocks

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but that makes sense

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megainum is good into rocks

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https://pokepast.es/0d9aebebe3365665

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@tribal smelt

gritty scaffold Apr 5, 2025, 10:06 PM

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well golem/lix will prob still try blow it up you are fine into tar i belive with meganium

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:06 PM

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ye

tribal smelt Apr 5, 2025, 10:17 PM

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dusty knoll <@910576445598863380>

I think you're trying too hard to make Meganium work tbh

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The one build I've seen rotating that shows potential is a build Vileman likes

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:17 PM

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I’m making moltres work

tribal smelt Apr 5, 2025, 10:17 PM

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Runs surf spin spike rest cloy Skarm Kou that meganium set and lax with Miltank to cleric

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As for Moltres I am unsure what to make of it

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I'm not a huge fan of it in tour due to how specific of a build you end up with

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And you're never comfy into Machamp

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Trying to pair the two as well is very hard

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Meganiums defensive/Offensive capabilities are to specifically target structures such as 2 elec

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:19 PM

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Moltres wants a Grass type

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and Eggy is

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Eggy

tribal smelt Apr 5, 2025, 10:19 PM

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Egg Molt Zap Lix Cloy Lax does seem more interesting yh

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:19 PM

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ic

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do i run boom eggy

tribal smelt Apr 5, 2025, 10:22 PM

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Yh

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3 explosions with Moltres and Lax resttalking as the winpath

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Because Moltres comes in and sleeps sacks on their Egg you get some ridiculously annoying interactions to manage

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:22 PM

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icic

tribal smelt Apr 5, 2025, 10:25 PM

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A general issue you evidently see here is that its' weak into stall should the stall sus out what you're up to

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And the tentacruel MU is just uh

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lol

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:26 PM

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yea…

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also

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off topic

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but thoughts Celebi un ban

tribal smelt Apr 5, 2025, 10:28 PM

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I'd prefer Celebi OU but the speed and pace within GSC OU goes down a complete crawl

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Since Celebi within the context of GSC is just too fat

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Recover, Grass/Psychic, Heal Bell

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With mixed bulk that allows it to bounce off hits from Raikou and Zapdos

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Flat out walling both should they have to run hp water

dusty knoll Apr 5, 2025, 10:30 PM

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I feel like it would be nice to make Zapdos less obnoxious

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But also having a stat blob seems

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Sus…

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Tbf currently most teams should have Zap+Lax so Bei+Lax isn’t much different

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I mean in terms of team constraints

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It’s much different in Zap is an offensive terror and Bei is a fat ass

prime juniper Apr 6, 2025, 9:33 AM

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anyone experienced in gen 4 ou? i have a few mons i want to build around and no sure which direction to go in

gritty scaffold Apr 6, 2025, 9:40 AM

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Just post the full team and ask which mon you were trying to build around

prime juniper Apr 6, 2025, 9:53 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2f4c6a06c854a480

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this is what ive got mocked up, really enjoy specs heatran eruption clicking. scarf tar is probably my 2nd most enjoyable clicks. para spam rachi, blisskarm and specs lati round it out. lati is cool but i know specs isnt the right choice if im not switching them out

dusty knoll Apr 6, 2025, 1:11 PM

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prime juniper this is what ive got mocked up, really enjoy specs heatran eruption clicking. sc...

erupt tran isn’t really good because it’s locked to Quiet nature

dusty knoll Apr 6, 2025, 5:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9490ca53393500e1

karmic geyserBOT Apr 6, 2025, 5:12 PM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dusty knoll Apr 6, 2025, 5:12 PM

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i found this in old dms

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was i cooking at like 13

raw hornet Apr 6, 2025, 5:15 PM

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you're not cooking you're creating life

dusty knoll Apr 6, 2025, 5:53 PM

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fire

static yacht Apr 6, 2025, 8:59 PM

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dusty knoll erupt tran isn’t really good because it’s locked to Quiet nature

this is why we click specs overheat like a gamer

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10 bp difference can bite sometimes but the damage is still absolutely unholy

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deletes metagross through occa berry and stuff

dusty knoll Apr 6, 2025, 9:04 PM

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ye

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it’s 20

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but with rocks

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it’s 138

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vrs 130

static yacht Apr 6, 2025, 9:09 PM

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dusty knoll it’s 20

iirc overheat is 140 in dpp

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i may be tripping hold on

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yeah it's 140

prime juniper Apr 6, 2025, 9:48 PM

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I’ve tried overheat before and I think I will go back to it. The speed really matters + after a couple stealth rocks it doesn’t matter anyway right. Eruption allows for multi-click checkmates but I have liked early-mid game overheats more than eruptions

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Scarf tar feels awesome, and rachi does it’s job with hazards and getting tar in and spreading para for heatran

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I’m not in love with any of the rest, but they have been reliable. where should I go with these 3 mons?

novel tartan Apr 8, 2025, 11:41 PM

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can I post a gen 7 team here ?

upper plume Apr 8, 2025, 11:43 PM

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if it's gen 7 ou, then yes

novel tartan Apr 8, 2025, 11:44 PM

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https://pokepast.es/053a588135d71d7b

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I always get destroyed by tapu lele ; (

dusty knoll Apr 9, 2025, 12:19 AM

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that makes sense as you have no lele check

gritty scaffold Apr 9, 2025, 12:54 AM

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And heatran mu looks dire aswell

raw hornet Apr 9, 2025, 9:01 AM

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You should maybe change rotom for av magearna

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Helps with lele and ash gren

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You could then use scarf serp with fog

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Or something like that

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Wait for Marnie she'll give more advice for your team

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But rn you seem very weak to psyspam builds so av magearna over rotom should be fine

novel tartan Apr 9, 2025, 4:38 PM

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thanks

raw hornet Apr 9, 2025, 5:36 PM

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like i said wait for marnie she'll give more advice then I

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if you see her connected just ping her

dusty knoll Apr 9, 2025, 5:38 PM

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@vast oracle :3

raw hornet Apr 9, 2025, 5:44 PM

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this works too ig lol

vivid kraken Apr 9, 2025, 7:33 PM

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novel tartan https://pokepast.es/053a588135d71d7b

you took average volt turn core and put serp + maw + koko + victini as your general progress forcers

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with these rotom lando volt turn structures u always need av mage here as a glue

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no substitution tbh

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then usually you pair whatever cohesive with this core

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id say medi/lop, victini, kart

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solid structure

novel tartan Apr 9, 2025, 7:36 PM

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so do I replace mawile ?

vivid kraken Apr 9, 2025, 7:36 PM

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novel tartan so do I replace mawile ?

yeah

novel tartan Apr 9, 2025, 7:36 PM

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ok

vivid kraken Apr 9, 2025, 7:37 PM

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replace serp id say too

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you can keep koko > tini if you want

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so mage > serp

medi/lop > mawile

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and you need kart there

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so smth like this

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lando rotom mage, tini/koko, kart, lopunn/medi

novel tartan Apr 9, 2025, 7:38 PM

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thanks a lot, I'll test this right now

vivid kraken Apr 9, 2025, 7:39 PM

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yah

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lmk if u need help for sets

novel tartan Apr 9, 2025, 7:40 PM

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ok

lofty estuary Apr 10, 2025, 3:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6259acc9b86436ff

Is there any salvaging this team for gen 3? I get a few decent wins, doubt much can be done though. Switched hidden power flying to rock on nin to see if that helps against moltres, since he's the only one faster

karmic geyserBOT Apr 10, 2025, 3:29 PM

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dusty knoll Apr 10, 2025, 3:53 PM

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lofty estuary https://pokepast.es/6259acc9b86436ff Is there any salvaging this team for gen 3...

Ninjask and Butterfree are completly unviable junk, Scizor can be used on Sd pass, running monobug+mag isnt really viable in genreal

obtuse matrix Apr 10, 2025, 4:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1a9ffb2e37b1410e Just wanted to test stall for a tourney, Tested a slight bit but wanted to see if there is anyway to improve the movesets and synergy of the team. This is for Gen 8 OU

dusty knoll Apr 10, 2025, 7:15 PM

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obtuse matrix https://pokepast.es/1a9ffb2e37b1410e Just wanted to test stall for a tourney, Te...

xurk isn’t really that good in general but esp not on a stall structure

novel tartan Apr 10, 2025, 9:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7b58d9297658cf59
I lost a 63 turn game to stall with this team did I do anything wrong

raw hornet Apr 10, 2025, 9:44 PM

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maybe show a replay of the game too

novel tartan Apr 10, 2025, 10:01 PM

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don't make fun of me ; )

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wrong game

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-2340022076

[Gen 7] OU: ramu6401 vs. charipsyduck - Replays - Pokémon Showdown!

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obtuse matrix Apr 10, 2025, 10:04 PM

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dusty knoll xurk isn’t really that good in general but esp not on a stall structure

Hmmm aight do you have any nice Choice scarfers/ wall breakers to put on a stall team to sweep through a worn out team?!

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Yeah I figured, was just trying something new lol

upper plume Apr 10, 2025, 10:11 PM

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novel tartan https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-2340022076

This team is closer to balance than stall

novel tartan Apr 10, 2025, 10:12 PM

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true lol my mind was too focused on toxipex

dusty knoll Apr 10, 2025, 10:45 PM

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novel tartan https://pokepast.es/7b58d9297658cf59 I lost a 63 turn game to stall with this te...

idl pup lop, that mag spread is a bit funky, band tini is kinda ass because of how much support it requires, no hazards is sus, lorb koko is kinda eh but ig it works here,

silent edge Apr 11, 2025, 1:27 AM

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obtuse matrix https://pokepast.es/1a9ffb2e37b1410e Just wanted to test stall for a tourney, Te...

Ironically this is closer to balance which matches very well into stall lmao.

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Hmmmm

vivid kraken Apr 11, 2025, 1:28 AM

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novel tartan https://pokepast.es/7b58d9297658cf59 I lost a 63 turn game to stall with this te...

u shouldnt use fini on a volt turn structure

silent edge Apr 11, 2025, 1:28 AM

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silent edge Ironically this is closer to balance which matches very well into stall lmao.

Kart with Ttar and Skarm could make for a sand team but that requires an entire overhaul of the rest.

granite iron Apr 11, 2025, 1:56 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5f3b52bbda868aa5 how do you deal with blacephalon on this team?

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granite iron Apr 11, 2025, 1:56 AM

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i feel like its really hard

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idk who to switch to because they cant take 2 hits from that thing

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is it unironically just use hazards and sac?

dusty knoll Apr 11, 2025, 2:31 AM

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perdict

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and hazards

obtuse prairie Apr 11, 2025, 2:40 AM

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blace aint a metagame staple or anything, your defense is decent if played right so wouldnt worry

dusty knoll Apr 11, 2025, 3:29 AM

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that too

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also most blace are the sub z cm set

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and once they blow z it can’t kill Chomp or lando

runic harbor Apr 11, 2025, 3:54 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e94725d2f46dff65 first ever gen 7 team bc a friend wanted me to make one, it feels pretty good but I'm pretty low ladder anyway

karmic geyserBOT Apr 11, 2025, 3:54 PM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vivid kraken Apr 11, 2025, 5:16 PM

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granite iron https://pokepast.es/5f3b52bbda868aa5 how do you deal with blacephalon on this te...

generally you just outpace it with your volt turn core

obtuse prairie Apr 11, 2025, 5:20 PM

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runic harbor https://pokepast.es/e94725d2f46dff65 first ever gen 7 team bc a friend wanted me...

should use the dex and VR for better sets/team members

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for HO not a lot of your team fits it

karmic geyserBOT Apr 11, 2025, 5:20 PM

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OU (Gen 7)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

vivid kraken Apr 11, 2025, 6:47 PM

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runic harbor https://pokepast.es/e94725d2f46dff65 first ever gen 7 team bc a friend wanted me...

looks like a somewhat feasible structure (bar the random donphan)

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go mage > gren then suicude lando > donaphon is smth u can make out of that

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ur sets are cooked tho

granite iron Apr 12, 2025, 1:37 AM

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dusty knoll perdict

kk

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yeah thats what i expected

cunning root Apr 15, 2025, 12:07 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9c8e254ddd0f9c3f

karmic geyserBOT Apr 15, 2025, 12:07 AM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cunning root Apr 15, 2025, 12:07 AM

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what do we think about this

vivid kraken Apr 15, 2025, 1:01 AM

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cunning root https://pokepast.es/9c8e254ddd0f9c3f

almost all of these structures need some form of a spdef mage

novel tartan Apr 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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(gen 7 OU)
hello so I hit a new peak with this team (1300elo X) ) so are there improvement I can make ?
https://pokepast.es/d658b62c07731112

obtuse prairie Apr 15, 2025, 9:14 PM

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setup lati feels weird on an otherwise momentum team

novel tartan Apr 15, 2025, 9:15 PM

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I was thinking I needed a second defogger for victini

west herald Apr 15, 2025, 9:16 PM

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(gen 6 ou) trying to make hyperoffense https://pokepast.es/407cf5bcd5b91359

karmic geyserBOT Apr 15, 2025, 9:16 PM

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New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 4:09 AM

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west herald (gen 6 ou) trying to make hyperoffense https://pokepast.es/407cf5bcd5b91359

this is bulky offense

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and not necessarily a good one either

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what pokemon are you trying to build around?

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i can help restructure the team to suit that need

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 7:57 AM

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rich cloud what pokemon are you trying to build around?

Heracross and serperior

merry niche Apr 16, 2025, 11:29 AM

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west herald (gen 6 ou) trying to make hyperoffense https://pokepast.es/407cf5bcd5b91359

this team hates talonflame

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it also loses hard to zapdos. there's not a lot of type synergy here

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it looks to me like you've gone with 3 water mons to hard-counter fire (and heatran in particular, since you're not running cc on hera) but you're not really hitting that hard back before you set-up. your main immediate threat (banded weavile) isn't running coverage and will be walled by the likes of azumarill, who then hits 5/6 mons for neutral or super effective with play rough

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i actually think mega-metagross fits a lot better for HO and you should focus on mons that allow serpirior to come in and set up screens for it, if that's what you're trying to do

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if you want to keep mega-hera, you need to cover talonflame with something, such as heatran

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:03 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c6a392d97b573e5e
SMOU team was looking for some help with swapping pokemon out perhaps?

karmic geyserBOT Apr 16, 2025, 12:03 PM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:04 PM

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im pretty confident in the offensive side but like i dont know if kartana is needed & it could probably be swapped with something else (it has defog since i like to run KO on lando)

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i dont know if victini scarf is worth it

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:11 PM

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scarf kart is fine, if anything it's the best scarfer you can run in these type of offenses

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:11 PM

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also kyurem is a big ?

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yea

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idrk if its worth it

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:11 PM

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also compresses defog which you generally dont want to run on a rocks landot

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:12 PM

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yea

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true

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:12 PM

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easiest change is just running specs lele over clown for a standard psyspam

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:12 PM

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hmm

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is psyspam that good?

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i did hear about some gen 7 veteran that its op rn

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i just feel like my spatk side lacks speed

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like scarfers just whoop my ass XD

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i can do the change though, 2nd question is about kyurem

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like ppl have switchins or just overall outspeed it, i believe it could have smt else...

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steel types just fuck it anyway

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:14 PM

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sterile grove is psyspam that good?

psyspam has always been strong, if anything it's tougher atm cause the prominence of cress (i guess that's one thing clown has over lele lol, but you'd sacrifice other stuff by doing so)

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:14 PM

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yea true

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i was told to watch out for cress hence i was trying clown

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and it helps vs stall since i can just trick specs out

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unless i go against this random that used z haze on toxapex..

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:15 PM

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for the lele mu there're minor changes you can do like encore mzam or hone claws KB

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:15 PM

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hmm

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hone claws over what?

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:15 PM

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sterile grove i just feel like my spatk side lacks speed

mzam + scarf lele gives you the speed control you need

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:15 PM

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scarf lele? isnt psyspam usually specs

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:15 PM

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vast oracle for the lele mu there're minor changes you can do like encore mzam or hone claws...

for the *cress mu sry

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:16 PM

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ye

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:16 PM

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vast oracle mzam + scarf lele gives you the speed control you need

and KB + lele just runs over bulkier teams

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:16 PM

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so do i just use fusion bolt till im certain that i can hit Z ice

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in some sure kill situation

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:17 PM

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there's also the lucha psyspam variant if you really need that much speed but yeah figured what you have atm is good enough

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so dont want to change too much

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:17 PM

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yea on ndou i used to run HO that just covers eachother by typing with balanced attacks

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:17 PM

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sterile grove + steel types just fuck it anyway

KB + psyspam just overwhelms steels together

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:17 PM

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3500 matches most just self made HO teams i was experiementing

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:17 PM

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vast oracle KB + psyspam just overwhelms steels together

i guess

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what i mostly dont like is this def core having zero heal tho xD

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and things like zardy

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though i dont think i want like mega latias in this

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:18 PM

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ye lando + mage is a pretty standard catch-all backbone for offense like this, defo need to play proactive against offensive teams so you dont get run over

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:18 PM

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yea

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mega latias physdef CM is one of my fav mega sets

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:19 PM

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sterile grove hone claws over what?

roost

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:19 PM

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but cant use it with this

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:19 PM

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vast oracle roost

ait ait

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what mons do u think hone claws would help against mostly

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since theres some switchins i just dont wanna stay in regardless

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:20 PM

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just neutral threats like heatran, mage, msciz and just takes advantage of bulky teams trying to dance around your z move

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:21 PM

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i see

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:21 PM

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(also the cress but yeah)

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:22 PM

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ic ic

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i think i prefer CM 3 attacks over encore on mzam tbh

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:23 PM

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your call

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:23 PM

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yeah ill try it out for a few battles n see it first

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its kinda like hawlucha, encore works in some situations im guessing

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:24 PM

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ye you punish cress from setting up (and a bunch of other stuff like chansey mlati)

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:24 PM

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true

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:36 PM

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vast oracle ye you punish cress from setting up (and a bunch of other stuff like chansey mla...

i honestly dont like kyurem in this team xD most teams i have so little to gain from it

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is weavile not an option?

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it provides somewhat of a cover vs hawlucha (when banded) and i just overall think its a very annoying pokemon beside for like skarmory

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which is mostly in fat teams

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band also covers some mons with pursuit

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:43 PM

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you'd rather have the wallbreaking power of KB for fatter teams as opposed to weav's extra speed control since you already have mzam + scarf kart for offense

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:43 PM

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yea true

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:43 PM

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you cant even reliably pursuit cress for your psyspam

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:43 PM

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yea ig

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i was thinking ab this but idk how well itd work, sdance Z ice weavile 😂

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at max zmove deals 99% to skarmory

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:44 PM

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KB also provides defensive utility w the secondary water + grass resist tbh, so you're not immediately run over by stuff like serp, choiced agren, etc. and just the overall bulk means you can trade into offense if necessary

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ok lets not use that word here

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:45 PM

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o lol

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i get assbeat by hawlucha

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is that better

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😂 anyway yea i cant do much to hawlucha

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:45 PM

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ye lucha into offense is... not good

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unless you run koko but atp it's a diff team

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:46 PM

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ya

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:46 PM

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just need to keep mage healthy

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:46 PM

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+2 HJK deals like 80%

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with these evs

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160 def bold

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is physdef 252 an option..

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:48 PM

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ye unless you run z fly on landot then generally mixed defensive mage is the go-to lucha answer on this sort of team (and also prio in the back)

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:49 PM

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sterile grove is physdef 252 an option..

then opposing psyspam's mu becomes more iffy

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 12:49 PM

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west herald Heracross and serperior

heracross screens is interesting for sure

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since its so bulky

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ok so you need a rocker + 3 more slots

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3 screens abusers or 2 screens abusers + a second screener

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so something like landorus + latias + manaphy + filler

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or landorus + manaphy + filler + filler

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:53 PM

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vast oracle then opposing psyspam's mu becomes more iffy

yea i honestly dont like 2 defense core teams

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its so little to work with

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:53 PM

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if you want to move away from the offense you can run like rotomw over KB instead

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:55 PM

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honestly might feel better

vast oracle Apr 16, 2025, 12:56 PM

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also gives you a (better) defogger so you can free kart's slot, more pivoting, and lets landot run the z move if you want

sterile grove Apr 16, 2025, 12:56 PM

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yea

vivid kraken Apr 16, 2025, 3:01 PM

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sterile grove https://pokepast.es/c6a392d97b573e5e SMOU team was looking for some help with sw...

So for these type of structures instead of running normal psyspam ure running kyub so its inclined to be more offensive

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So id go gyara > zam, lele > blacephalon

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and u could fit fog on scarf kart

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:05 PM

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rich cloud so something like landorus + latias + manaphy + filler

so run landorus with rocks and then have latias+manaphy?

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why exactly latias/manaphy

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manaphy seems like good screens abuser because after setupu just kill ppl

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:05 PM

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manaphy is a staple on screens

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:05 PM

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is it bad to run heracross with screens?

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:05 PM

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west herald is it bad to run heracross with screens?

not necessarily

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:05 PM

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because it feels like if i get sub+swords dance i always guarantee 2hko

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:05 PM

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its unexplored

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:05 PM

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2 ko*

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:06 PM

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i dont think you need sub

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you can run sd 3

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a

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you can run more coverage that way

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:06 PM

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west herald why exactly latias/manaphy

latias gives you a secondary screener + healing wish

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as well as general utility with stuff like thunder wave and safeguard coupled with its water fire and grass resist

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:07 PM

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soul dew?

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or just normal latias

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:08 PM

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soul dew is banned

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:09 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6f0aca77963fce2d

karmic geyserBOT Apr 16, 2025, 3:09 PM

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New [Gen 6] OU RMT @rich cloud. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:10 PM

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i forgot to change heracross set

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the main reason also i was playing sub

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cus very often i can switchg on things that'll try to para me or leech seed

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and sub kinda avoids that

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but i can see the logic of not needing it

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:12 PM

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errr

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for the most part you should stick to the sample sets

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something like this

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https://pokepast.es/368b49be4dd27695

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:16 PM

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screens on latias too?

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:16 PM

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yes

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:17 PM

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so like from what im seeing with this team

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i sturggle into tornadus if i dont setup no?

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same w latias/latios i dont rly have clean ways to get rid of them

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do i just slot weavile?

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idk he just feels like he can answer everything in a pinch if i do smth bad

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or i let enemy setup

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:18 PM

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?

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the latis cant beat hera

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with screens up

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:19 PM

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oh

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:19 PM

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they are slower and paralysed by serp

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:19 PM

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i thought they can

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yeah that makes a lot of sense actually

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:19 PM

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latios isnt even that common to begin with

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:19 PM

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im kinda dumb w pokemon

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:19 PM

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you can always glare torn when it comes in on serp

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so that paralyses it for hera

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:20 PM

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ok so in 6'th slot

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what do i look for then

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can i not just slot in zygarde

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as my 3'rd screen pokemon"?

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coil extreme speed

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:24 PM

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what does zygarde do for us

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:24 PM

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actually not much because i already have coverage of every type

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and it switches into same things as landorus/heracross

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so ig it overlaps with setup

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:25 PM

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we can keep it basic

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and go with volcarona last

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this flavour of screens is pretty formulaic

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:25 PM

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it feels weird cus i only have defog

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on one

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pokemon so can she rly come in that easily

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:28 PM

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defog is really a last ditch move

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we can go imprison on landorus

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and then sitrus volcarona

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like so

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https://pokepast.es/7d59312b584f1ea4

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this is good to go

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the idea of double bug ho is pretty nea

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t

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heracross' bulk also helps in dealing with offense killers like lopunny

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:29 PM

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double bug go?

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ho?

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:30 PM

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yeah

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heracross volcarona

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2 bugz

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:30 PM

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true

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2 of my favorite pokemons too

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sad cant fit in staraptor on that kind of team prob

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big thank you for the help ❤️

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if i ever have any questions i just send them there

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right?

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:32 PM

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yeah for sure

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feel free to ping me whenever

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wherever i'm always down to help with oras

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err

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for general questions either go #comp-general or dms

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 3:33 PM

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okii

rich cloud Apr 16, 2025, 3:35 PM

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west herald okii

just make sure to ping me or i wont see your question

west herald Apr 16, 2025, 4:02 PM

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will do thank you

novel tartan Apr 16, 2025, 8:20 PM

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(gen7OU ) https://pokepast.es/5e7e7961e4e2f915 what do you think

obtuse prairie Apr 16, 2025, 8:22 PM

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mmedi over koko tini or gren and i think your good

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ideally not koko that opens you up to gren a lot more since no mage

novel tartan Apr 16, 2025, 8:27 PM

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ok thanks

obtuse prairie Apr 16, 2025, 8:29 PM

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i might insist on mage a bit more tbh, kind of have a whole volutturn thing going and then tran to reverse momentum

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mage fits pretty perfectly

novel tartan Apr 16, 2025, 8:36 PM

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oh so who do I remove

obtuse prairie Apr 16, 2025, 8:38 PM

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tran and one of the other mons i mentioned

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mmedi mostly for breaker

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that would transition rocks to lando, fog to rotom, and then something thats not life orb for koko

novel tartan Apr 16, 2025, 9:10 PM

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I'll do that thanks,one more question is how exactly do I beat stall with this team ? idk it seems that toxipex and ferothorn combo always manage to beat me

obtuse prairie Apr 16, 2025, 9:23 PM

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mmedi would help immensely

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for hard stall offense always has a hard time

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you need to pretty much accept that unless you play like a god it prob aint happening

novel tartan Apr 16, 2025, 9:42 PM

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😭 😭 😭 😭

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first game was vs stall

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I had a hard time like you said ; (

vivid kraken Apr 16, 2025, 11:35 PM

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novel tartan (gen7OU ) https://pokepast.es/5e7e7961e4e2f915 what do you think

dont think u wanna use tran here

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mage > heatran and u have lando mag rotom core

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now given this i think scarf/band kart appreciates these type of structures

novel tartan Apr 17, 2025, 10:53 AM

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Is the set AV mag ?

quartz remnant Apr 17, 2025, 11:11 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ae1e38f07a897157
https://pokepast.es/1cf532f35bf4d8be
https://pokepast.es/d712fd11b2e41c8d
https://pokepast.es/5e1152e640d1d3c1
https://pokepast.es/c66b0d6302868933
https://pokepast.es/6eb2351dad51ce12

Dropping a huge bunch of teams here, to be rated. I'd like yall's thoughts on them. Sorry if they are too much. You guys can choose one you find interesting and rate that one only too. I just need some opinions. I can answer/tell u about what the team is about/what i thought, if you would like that, in the thread.

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quartz remnant Apr 17, 2025, 11:11 AM

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whos this noob @rich cloud

rich cloud Apr 17, 2025, 1:03 PM

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are you deadass

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i've already rated all these teams

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you oaf 😭

vivid kraken Apr 17, 2025, 2:02 PM

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novel tartan Is the set AV mag ?

yeah generally

granite iron Apr 19, 2025, 2:16 AM

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https://pokepast.es/bd95490043332288 best option vs ttar is seismetoad right?

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vivid kraken Apr 19, 2025, 2:51 AM

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granite iron https://pokepast.es/bd95490043332288 best option vs ttar is seismetoad right?

ngl bro if ure gonna ask help for a specific team thats already been made and lines/ambitions it should partake, u should go to the sm cord

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cuz this is an rmt channel

upper plume Apr 19, 2025, 2:53 AM

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The functional word here is the "m" (my)

obtuse prairie Apr 19, 2025, 3:02 AM

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#comp-general also works

exotic oyster Apr 19, 2025, 4:08 AM

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hey someone can get a look of my team? its SM (gen 7) OU, i made it quickly so im looking to improve it https://pokepast.es/3c7faedfd6a98b2c

obtuse prairie Apr 19, 2025, 4:31 AM

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exotic oyster hey someone can get a look of my team? its SM (gen 7) OU, i made it quickly so i...

structure is a bit weird, lando and chansey are outliers

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what style are you going for?

exotic oyster Apr 19, 2025, 4:34 AM

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sincerely i was trying to make a balance with voltturn

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but i dont really knew how to make a team so, i wanna learnt

obtuse prairie Apr 19, 2025, 5:22 AM

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exotic oyster but i dont really knew how to make a team so, i wanna learnt

would advise checking out resources, you're not at a bad start but the samples have a couple of voltturn cores you can take a look at

karmic geyserBOT Apr 19, 2025, 5:22 AM

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OU (Gen 7)

Overview

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exotic oyster Apr 19, 2025, 7:56 AM

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thanks

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

raw hornet Apr 19, 2025, 7:23 PM

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made it kind of a long time ago

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if it's too hard to change while keeping a good 6 i'll just build something new with tios

vivid kraken Apr 20, 2025, 9:42 PM

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havent i already told you that this is cm reunis 6

raw hornet Apr 20, 2025, 9:46 PM

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i don't think so

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or maybe you did and i just don't remember

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oh wait you did

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sorry

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i think we already tried enough stuff with this team i'll just build something new and come back here later

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but i mean if you still dont mind it could be cool if you go into the logist of the team

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could maybe help

rugged fossil Apr 21, 2025, 8:20 AM

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exotic oyster hey someone can get a look of my team? its SM (gen 7) OU, i made it quickly so i...

U can use

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Empos wcop squad

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W

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Sciz + lele + chansey + lando + zap + hoopa

tidal wyvern Apr 22, 2025, 3:43 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2203a51dd3b988bc

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New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @low jasper, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

maiden quiver Apr 22, 2025, 8:05 AM

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I dont get ferro

fickle tulip Apr 22, 2025, 8:32 AM

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tidal wyvern https://pokepast.es/2203a51dd3b988bc

What are you trying to build around

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Team doesnt make sense

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no bird, no hazard control, no ground, no steel, bad ferro and rilla sets, no water, an alakazam being on the team at all

fickle tulip Apr 23, 2025, 5:41 AM

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Going to do some more in depth critiques in the meantime because its not 1 am.

Drum Beating is pretty useless when you have Grassy Glide which is about as strong, if you want a stronger Grass move you go with Wood Hammer. Darkest Lariat isn't good because you aren't running Knock Off. Miracle seed is kinda ok but leftovers, choice band, or life orb are almost always better choices.

It will be very hard for Ferrothorn to set both rocks and spikes and you really hate not having a different move like knock or smth, almost always a good idea to run only one hazard on ferro.

Alakazam isn't a great mon but it has some viability, simply doesn't fit on this type of team though, you need Tapu Lele alongside it to justify using Alakazam over anything else.

team comp wise, the lack of ground immunities and volt switch absorbers is pretty bad for you because all those moves are really free, not having defog means you give your opponent complete control of when hazards are on and off the field

wise hatch Apr 24, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Feel free to ping for Oras rates

upper plume Apr 24, 2025, 7:50 PM

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It will automatically ping you when a ORAS team is posted

karmic geyserBOT Apr 26, 2025, 1:57 AM

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New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @low jasper, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

steep sapphire Apr 26, 2025, 1:57 AM

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Is this team good?

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https://pokepast.es/c2d6733ec95a573b

limber stone Apr 26, 2025, 5:39 AM

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What is that dragapult spread

toxic gulch Apr 27, 2025, 5:54 PM

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https://pokepast.es/58afac758026fc42

Gen 5 OU, a somewhat meme team.

karmic geyserBOT Apr 27, 2025, 5:54 PM

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New [Gen 5] OU RMT @candid prairie, @inner mist, @worldly walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

limber stone Apr 27, 2025, 5:55 PM

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toxic gulch https://pokepast.es/58afac758026fc42 Gen 5 OU, a somewhat meme team.

Have u heard of a Pokemon known as keldeo

toxic gulch Apr 27, 2025, 5:56 PM

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Ah yes. My little pony, friendship is fucked.

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..... Can I use a Chopple Ferro to somewhat deal with it dead

fickle tulip Apr 27, 2025, 6:31 PM

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steep sapphire https://pokepast.es/c2d6733ec95a573b

What did you want to build around

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:31 PM

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toxic gulch https://pokepast.es/58afac758026fc42 Gen 5 OU, a somewhat meme team.

Go back to the drawing board

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This team just doesn't work

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:32 PM

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toxic gulch Ah yes. My little pony, friendship is fucked.

They’re saying you need to use Keldeo

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If you have a politoed you also have a keldeo

fickle tulip Apr 27, 2025, 8:34 PM

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I think it means the team loses to keldeo

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Abd thats not even really true

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3/5 rain samples dont have keldeo

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:35 PM

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3/5 rain samples are trash then

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:35 PM

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Keldeo isn't exactly necessary

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:35 PM

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How do they not use the best water type in the tier

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:35 PM

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One of the 4 samples doesn't have Keldeo

fickle tulip Apr 27, 2025, 8:35 PM

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Oh that was old because search engines suck but still

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one doesnt have keld

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:36 PM

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Yeah the samples were updated just recently

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Rain wants Ferro more than it wants Keld

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It used to want Tenta more but with how exploitable it is by stuff like Clef people would rather use Mie. Either way a spinner is mandator since Poli is spikes weak

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Keld directly competes with Lati and Thundy

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Which is normally not a problem but sometimes having something that's more consistent against Zam Spikes

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:39 PM

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Keldeo has to be better than lati on rain

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Anti ttar + stab ? What are the upsides of lati

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Lati counters opposing Keld

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You use both the same way, and it's not like you lose much from using both

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Half of the best rain teams run Lati

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Lati also counters Thundy too

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:42 PM

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inner mist Half of the best rain teams run Lati

Just lati? No Keldeo?

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:42 PM

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Some teams do have Lati over Keld yes

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Depending on whichever threat you are dealing with

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:42 PM

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Poli + Fero + Keldeo seems like bread and butter must haves

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Non negotiables in my eyes

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:43 PM

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More like Poli / Ferro / Spinner (Tenta/Mie) / Offense #1 /Offense #2 / Offense #3

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You usually slow Lati Keld Thundy in the last three

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But sometimes you kind of want Scizor to not get rolled over by Zam

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Scizor on rain is tekky, are there good calcs for surviving fire moves?

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:45 PM

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Like what

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Heatran? Well Heatran kind of loses in Rain anyways

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And HP Fire on Lati is kind of weak under Rain

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:45 PM

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Anything notable, random HPs

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:46 PM

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You run Sciz the same way you run it anywhere else

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It's existence is to prevent Lati from rolling over your team

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Zam / Reun too

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Pursuit?

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Yeah

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:47 PM

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How relevant is SD scizor on rain?

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:48 PM

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It's ok

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Honestly I think Band is prefered since U-turn is always nice for punishing Lati who stays in

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And is generally a nice pivot tool

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:48 PM

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That’s what I figured, is it CC in 4th?

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Superpower or whatever it is he gets

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:49 PM

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Yeah Superpower is 4th

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BP U-turn Superpower Suit

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Scarf Keld is nice because it stops any Volc with Rian up

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But it's super inconstent against Zam HO

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:51 PM

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How does Keldeo not learn ice beam

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:51 PM

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Idk

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IS doing drugs when giving Keld it's moveset

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If it had Beam then it would have more flexibility in it's Hidden Power

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:52 PM

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Merit to icy wind?

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:55 PM

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Icy wind drops speed

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:55 PM

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Lati switching into icy wind sounds alright

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:55 PM

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But is weaker

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Than HP Ice

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 8:55 PM

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HP Ice is 60? 70?

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Surf does just as much as icy wind to Lati in rain

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This mon might suck actually

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 8:59 PM

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I think 80

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Keld doesn’t really suck, it’s just kind of weird, like it’s not mandatory but you have to account for in the team builder

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Rotom being the better Water for Sand doesn’t help much either

prime juniper Apr 27, 2025, 9:00 PM

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Starmie looks slam dunk, what are its downsides other than pursuit

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 9:01 PM

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Well Mie does give you one less Tar swap

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Also feels worse against Tenta

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But compressing strong Water attacks with Spin does give you a lot of space to explore better structures

upper plume Apr 27, 2025, 9:51 PM

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prime juniper How do they not use the best water type in the tier

surprisingly, not all rain teams want to use Starmie

inner mist Apr 27, 2025, 10:09 PM

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lol

gritty scaffold Apr 27, 2025, 10:55 PM

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Tenta is broken in rain. even if is weaker than mie

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 12:08 AM

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Yeah everyone knows that

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They technically do the same thing but in a different way, it's just that the meta isn't very good for Tenta atm

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Rain definately needs a spinner though, as do most teams, but trying to do a spinnerless Rain team is really difficult

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 12:17 AM

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inner mist They technically do the same thing but in a different way, it's just that the me...

i think is the opposite

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tenta is a good volc/keld check . meanwhile mie is a good check to all ground mons in the tier if they arent scarfed

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even non specs latios it can kind of check well

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theres also less reun atm which is nice for tenta

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:01 AM

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I guess Volc running Giga Drain more makes it easier for Tenta to check it

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Even if there isn't much Reun there is a ton of Zam which either mon isn't good for Tenta

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I haven't been up to the SPL Stats I might need to check that later

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:06 AM

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gritty scaffold even non specs latios it can kind of check well

Check what well?

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:06 AM

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?

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Tenta does check non specs latios quite well on rain

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its only 2 hit koed by draco and can toxic stall out latios

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meanwhile mie is just okhoed

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though mie does outspeed non scarf latios

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but ibeam is only a 2 hit ko

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:18 AM

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I got confused when you said it

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I am not exactly sure if you want to swap Tenta into Lati unless if it's revealed to be specs

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or not

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:20 AM

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On first time you see latios you always go ferro

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Unless u are with a protect mon to scout trick

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:23 AM

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gritty scaffold On first time you see latios you always go ferro

After taking dmg you calc to see if was specs or not. If was then you just use your steels as your best bet vs latios tho a full hp tenta always lives specs draco . If wasnt specs tenta kinda just walls it sure cm is annoying but needs set up first which u can toxic

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Well if it's CM then Tenta can't be used to check it

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Yes u can

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Unless you are playing carefully

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Just by toxic the latios your already putting on a timer

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And you can always exploit if it tries to recover

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:25 AM

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Well yeah but you aren't really swapping Tenta into a +1 boosted Lati

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:25 AM

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Depends alot on game.state , team ur facing

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Idt is unreasonable

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Even with it's Scarf Lati, Tenta needs Rain up to properly check it

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Which might be ok in Rain mirrors

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Yeah so what

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:27 AM

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But against Sand it's not exactly reliable

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Scarf lati is kinda rare

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Most are specs then colbur rn

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Well that's the best case scenario

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Well colbur still good!

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:28 AM

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I guess if it's 3 Atks Colbur Tenta can check it

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Even cm colbur is ok ish

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:29 AM

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CM Colbur is just the same story

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As before

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:29 AM

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Keeping sand/rain/hail isnt that hard

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:29 AM

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Tenta can check it but it's a game of hot potato

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:29 AM

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As all weather setters are easy to chip down

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:29 AM

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inner mist Tenta can check it but it's a game of hot potato

Oh yeah for sure

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Well if Poli is easy to chip down that's bad for Tenta

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It all depends on which weather setter can outlast the other

gritty scaffold Apr 28, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Poli atleast can run rest chesto

inner mist Apr 28, 2025, 2:30 AM

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But with stuff like Hippo things are a bit more complicated

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Poli at least has some fighting chance against Tar

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Idk about Aboma though

limber stone Apr 28, 2025, 4:53 AM

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fickle tulip I think it means the team loses to keldeo

^^

fallow lagoon Apr 28, 2025, 9:11 AM

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https://pokepast.es/99438effda571211

So in a custom tourney of gen 8 ou
Only one rule is that there must be a god pkmn which has to be uber(gmax not allowed)
And if god dies player looses
So i want to keep the god in back as late cleaner and play the game with 5 mons mostly, take mewtwo(god) if required

I don't know much about pvp so can someone rate my team and some suggestions to make my team better?

fickle tulip Apr 28, 2025, 9:12 AM

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fallow lagoon https://pokepast.es/99438effda571211 So in a custom tourney of gen 8 ou Only on...

!arbitraryformats

karmic geyserBOT Apr 28, 2025, 9:12 AM

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fallow lagoon Apr 28, 2025, 9:14 AM

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fickle tulip !arbitraryformats

Sorry for the trouble

limber stone Apr 29, 2025, 6:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/60e75659f172a14f is this better than the torn-t variant

karmic geyserBOT Apr 29, 2025, 6:31 PM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mighty glacier Apr 29, 2025, 7:28 PM

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limber stone https://pokepast.es/60e75659f172a14f is this better than the torn-t variant

i think all excas should be steelium Z

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you also have no rocks

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personally id do clefable>chomp

limber stone Apr 29, 2025, 7:29 PM

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mighty glacier you also have no rocks

oh yea theyre on chomp

limber stone Apr 29, 2025, 7:30 PM

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mighty glacier i think all excas should be steelium Z

drag-z beats washtom which is like the biggest drill hurdle

vivid kraken Apr 30, 2025, 1:26 AM

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limber stone https://pokepast.es/60e75659f172a14f is this better than the torn-t variant

no wouldnt say so

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torn is pretty pivotal here cuz it eases kart mu/ and in its own inherent nature being a regen pivot having better immediate speed control and its pure capabilities fit the team better

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me personally i would not use this cuz no fairy type

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but ig it works

lofty estuary Apr 30, 2025, 1:14 PM

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(Gen 3 OU)
https://pokepast.es/8ba301da6d026125

Was thinking of switching machamp for a special attacking Blaziken so I still have something to pass after Salas intimidate. Another idea was removing sub/protect for giga drain in order to ko a 42% defensive swampert. Can survive 1 non crit attack at full from any of it's attacks if needed for a second

karmic geyserBOT Apr 30, 2025, 1:14 PM

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New [Gen 3] OU RMT @candid prairie, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

limber stone Apr 30, 2025, 1:34 PM

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Bro really hates ttar

lofty estuary Apr 30, 2025, 1:36 PM

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Dinosaurs should stay extinct

mint epoch Apr 30, 2025, 8:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/da37054589d60988

karmic geyserBOT Apr 30, 2025, 8:46 PM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mint epoch Apr 30, 2025, 8:46 PM

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pretty standard gen 7 ou offense

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just want some advice

raw hornet Apr 30, 2025, 9:30 PM

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i dont think this looks too bad but wait for marnie she's better than me so she'll give better advices

mighty glacier Apr 30, 2025, 9:57 PM

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mint epoch https://pokepast.es/da37054589d60988

I'd go Z lele prob specs ash to help with stall Mau

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MU*

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U could also try out hawlucha over victini

mint epoch Apr 30, 2025, 11:21 PM

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mighty glacier U could also try out hawlucha over victini

I'm doing Victini bc I think toxapex is hellspawn

mighty glacier Apr 30, 2025, 11:22 PM

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fair

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still id say try it

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could try encore

vivid kraken May 1, 2025, 3:23 PM

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mint epoch https://pokepast.es/da37054589d60988

i would not sacrifice the capbilites rotom gives here > lele or smth

vivid kraken May 1, 2025, 3:24 PM

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mighty glacier U could also try out hawlucha over victini

yeah thats probably the best option if were keeping this more offense oriented structure

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ig make the mage more offensively inclined too

limber stone May 2, 2025, 6:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/68ae1706c460d34e chomp+mdia break and lele+lucha clean up, also lucha acts as an easier way to beat offence

karmic geyserBOT May 2, 2025, 6:20 PM

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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mighty glacier May 3, 2025, 10:05 AM

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limber stone https://pokepast.es/68ae1706c460d34e chomp+mdia break and lele+lucha clean up, a...

Run protect diancie or spikes ferro

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You'd rather one of them than 2 rocks setters

zinc ether May 6, 2025, 3:33 AM

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Gen 3 OU) Any recommendations for maximum efficiency? (I refuse to replace milotic)
https://pokepast.es/9dc783b0e7d5bd85

upper plume May 6, 2025, 3:58 AM

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You lose to Aero

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And Milo + Mie are redundant

zinc ether May 6, 2025, 6:09 AM

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Who should I replace starmie with?

#Old Gens OU